Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Pokémon episodes removed from rotation/archive1

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The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Pokémon episodes removed from rotation

Featured list candidates/Pokémon episodes removed from rotation/archive1

Nominator(s): Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list focuses on Pokémon episodes that have been removed from rotation for reasons including removal from airwaves, being banned from airing, or being unaired entirely. I have rewritten this list from scratch from its current state and made sure to source everything in order to verify the article's content. I believe this meets the FL criteria due to the scope of coverage and overall quality.

I am aware this article uses a reference from Screen Rant, a usually marginally reliable source. I have included it as it and other similar quality sources are the only sources to discuss "The Tower of Terror" being removed from air. To ensure the comprehensiveness of the list, I have elected to include it, but I have only used it once for the sole purpose of this episode's verification. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that this nomination has just now transcluded to the nominations page. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that! Thought I had done the transclusion process and didn't realize until now that I hadn't yet. Will try not to make a repeat of that in the future. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sgubaldo

Saving a spot. Ping if I haven't said anything by Tuesday. Sgubaldo (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I realise it's going to be Tuesday and I still haven't written anything. I'll get on this tomorrow. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sgubaldo just pinging to remind you in case something's happened. If you're still busy on your end then take all the time you need, but I did just want to double check as to your status. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose – Banned Episodes

"The episode focused on protagonist Ash Ketchum, who had to fight a Porygon creature...." ==> remove 'creature'?
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"To do this,Ash travels to cyberspace...." – missing space
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"...causing an explosion that flashed red and blue lights rapidly" ===> "...causing an explosion that resulted in rapid flashes of red and blue lights"
- Changed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Although red and blue flashes are shown earlier in the episode, a technique called "paka paka" makes this scene especially intense,[3] as paka-paka uses alternating rapidly flashing lights to convey a sense of tension in a scene." ==> "Although red and blue flashes are shown earlier in the episode, a technique called "paka paka" makes this scene especially intense,[3] as it uses alternating rapidly flashing lights to convey a sense of tension."
- Changed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Japan's Fire Defense Agency reported a total of..." ==> "Japan's Fire Defense Agency reported that a total of"
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Many elements were removed from the series to prevent any possible recreation of the incident, and the station only reran the first 37 episodes of Pokémon until it returned on April 16, 1998, when it aired "Pikachu's Goodbye", which was the only episode promoted during those months." ==> "Many elements were removed from the series to prevent any possible recreation of the incident. The station only reran the first 37 episodes of Pokémon until it returned on April 16, 1998, when it aired "Pikachu's Goodbye", which was the only episode promoted during the hiatus."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
" In the episode, protagonist Ash Ketchum and his friends Misty and Brock accidentally destroy a boat" --> remove 'protagonist', already mentioned above.
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"This requires them to work at the owner of the boat's restaurant to collect the amount of money needed to pay him back." ==> "This requires them to work at the boat owner's restaurant to obtain the money to pay him back."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"After the villainous Team Rocket diverts customers to another establishment,[15] Professor Oak informs the protagonists of a beauty pageant taking place in town, and Misty competes to get the prize money." ==> "After the Team Rocket diverts customers to another establishment,[15] Professor Oak informs the protagonists of a beauty pageant taking place, which Misty competes in to win the prize money."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"U.S localizers deemed the episode to be too controversial...." --> full stop missing after S
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The K in 4Kids should be capitalised (three instances of this).
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"To further this goal, he made a costume greatly resembling Passimian, and used black makeup to resemble Passimian's face." ==> "To do, he wore a costume resembling Passimian and used black makeup to mimic Passimian's face."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose – Unaired, postponed, and temporarily removed episodes

"....featured the Pokémon Tentacool and Tentacruel with the latter of which, in a giant state, destroying several buildings." ==> "....featured the Pokémon Tentacool and Tentacruel with the latter, in a giant state, destroying several buildings."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Both episodes was later reinstated and aired on...." == "Both episodes were later reinstated and aired on...."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The episode "Battle of the Quaking Island! Dojoach vs. Namazun!!," which would have been released..." ==> comma should be outside of the quotes
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The sinking of MV Sewol ... broadcast. The episode was aired officially on November 20, 2014." ==> "The sinking of the MV Sewol ... broadcast. The episode was officially aired on November 20, 2014."
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source Formatting

Ref. 8 link doesn't work and names of the authors are formatted weirdly.
- Link works fine so I'm not sure what's up on your end. Author names I didn't catch originally but I assume it's cited this way because the site only lists them as "Radford B" and "Bartholomew R". I was able to do some digging and found the actual names of the authors, so this is clarified now. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 15 doesn't have any page numbers attached.
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 21 (it's Screen Rant, not attached and could be wikilinked).
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 27 is in Japanese, probably should include the language parameter.
- Ref 27 is in English already, so I'm a bit confused by what you mean here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are several references you can archive (Internet Archive is back online).
- Will get these archived as soon as possible. IA was down when I did edits on this so I wasn't able to archive at the time. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. Sgubaldo (talk) 20:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sgubaldo: No problem, thank you for the review. Addressed the above concerns. Let me know if I need to do anything else. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A couple more nitpicks:
- Ref. 23 and Ref. 27 have TV Tokyo as website and publisher; make consistent?
- "....the wake of the murder of JonBenét Ramsey, an aspiring child beauty queen...." ==> "the wake of the murder of JonBenét Ramsey, a child beauty queen"
- "Due to this, it was speculated that the episodes were never aired due to the destruction's similarities to what was caused by the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami." ==> "Due to this, it was speculated that the episodes were never aired due to similarities to the destruction caused by the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami."
These are minor and I trust they'll be done, so I can support already. Sgubaldo (talk) 15:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the delay, just finished them up. Thank you for the review. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Before I do a full review, I want to express some concerns of mine:

First, I am concerned this doesn't meet WP:LISTN. I really don't see many sources discussing this topic as a whole. The title itself is really ambiguous. "Removed from rotation" seems like a way to try to inflate the number of entries past just those which are "banned". (WP:FLCR 3(c)). I also don't know how to tell if it is comprehensive, as there is an infinite amount of markets out there. Is this truly every single instance that an individual market has pulled an episode from rotation? FLCR 3(a).
Second, disregarding the first part, I think this is more appropriate for WP:GAN. This is primarily written as a true article on a topic and not a standalone list.

@FLC director and delegates: , do you mind chiming in with an opinion on these issues before I dive in for a review? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007 You can also ping me, given I'm the nom.

I didn't focus too hard on overall sources since enough existed to show the topic was discussed in a wider context, but I didn't need to use many in the article. A few examples: [2] This Polygon source covers the history of this subject and includes a vast majority of the subjects. [3] This Newsweek source, covering the Passimian episode, highlights other past examples of banned episodes. [4] This Bloomsbury published book contains a brief synopsis on these banned episodes and ties them to the perceived "moral panics" during the franchise's early days and in television as a whole. (Though I'm admittedly not quite sure how best to incorporate this one into the article) [5] This Duke University Press published book mentions some of the fan outcry regarding some of these episodes being banned initially. (Added info from here to the article)

I disagree that this isn't a list. It very much is. There's a lot of prose, but this is still inherently just a list of subjects with explanations provided. I don't see why this isn't a list, given it isn't something like another article I've worked on, Pokémon fan games, which is primarily an article with a list tacked on, rather than the article being a list in its entirety (Disregarding the lead).

The scope is something that shouldn't be a concern. I've searched for every example of an episode removal I could find, and I've covered everything that's covered in reliable sources, which, for the comprehensiveness criteria, is all that's needed. While the above sources I mentioned only cover a selected group of banned episodes (Primarily since a bulk of these were published before some of these even existed or had key details known), per LISTN: "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." The episodes were all removed and/or banned from air due to controversial real-world circumstances; it's hard to class that article scope in one satisfactory title, hence why I've elected to use the title that's been used for a decade. If you feel the title could do with a move, that shouldn't impact page content and can likely be determined in a process outside of FLC. If you feel particular episodes should be removed from the list and have their content shifted elsewhere, then that can be included in your review, where this can be discussed further. I hope this is a satisfactory response to both your concerns; let me know if you feel anything else needs to be clarified. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed you had this page on your watchlist. I was just requesting some more experienced eyes on it. I do think the naming is problematic. Based on the first link you provided, "banned" seems fine. This would constrain the scope of the list and likely satisfy some of my concerns. I do still feel like the way this is written it more appropriate for WP:GAN. Happy to hear other opinions though. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007 Ah, fair enough. In terms of the title, it can either be changed to better suit the current scope, or episodes can be shuffled in or out of the list if you feel certain ones don't belong. The scope of this tends to be episodes banned for a given reason; I've mainly based it on what the sources say. I'm not sure if a page move is allowed during an FLC, but I'm unopposed if you feel something like "Pokémon episodes banned from airing" or something similar would be better for the scope.

I'll let if this is better done as a GA or FL up to the coords. I've said my piece and can elaborate if need be, but I feel we're gonna have to agree to disagree until an outsider determines which is better for the scope of this list. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen episode articles go both ways depending on their structure, but I have to say that this one strikes me as more of an article than a list, and I am in agreement with Gonzo fan that GAN seems like a more natural place for it. It would be too bad for FLC purposes, since I find this to be a most interesting topic from the Pokemon universe, but I have to call them like I see them. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussed this with Hey man im josh, and we're also falling on the "article" side. So, unfortunately, going to close this nomination. --Pres N 16:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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