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Add The Game Awards

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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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I think we should list a video game award/award ceremony of some sort (we list none), and this one has basically become the video game equivalent of the Grammy Awards  5. And while it's certainly newer (2013, 2003 if you want to count the Spike Video Game Awards), its last two events had well over a hundred million viewers and there's been years where it's viewership has more than doubled from the previous, and that growth probably won't stop any time soon. For comparison, 18.25 million people watched the Grammy's in 2023, while 118 million watched the Game Awards. If added, I propose a new section of the list be added under the Video games section titled "Video game awards", since there's nowhere else that this can reasonably go at the moment.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose~
  1. Too recent, game award shows have come and gone. We can't yet say if this will have the longevity of the Grammies for example. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Foster care  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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It's a way of taking care of children. Maybe somewhere under Family and kinship. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support; it should be placed under Everyday life/Family and kinship/Marriage and parenting/Parenting in my opinion, where Adoption already is.
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  1. Just noting that the Everday life section is over-quota by 3; we should propose an article to remove as well.
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Add Balloon  5

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Added 4-1. To interior design instead of toys. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Found everywhere in parties. Maybe in Toys in Sports, games, and recreation. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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  1. This shouldn't be added without removing another article, because the section is 31 articles over-quota. Also, Balloon is the wrong article to add to the toy section. I'd support adding Toy balloon if something else was also removed, or it was moved to an under-quota section.Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Discussion
  1. If we're talking about party balloons what should actually be added is probably the page Toy balloon, which covers exactly that. Also, Balloon (aeronautics) was already added to the vital articles in the Technology section, and that heavily overlaps with Balloon (most of both their articles go over the same use cases).Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Bicameralism  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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A popular type of Legislature  4, according to the article in use in 40 % of countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Unicameralism could possibly be added to. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Judgment notwithstanding verdict and Rule of lenity

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Both removed 4-0. Swapping with jury trial didn't get support. Makkool (talk) 16:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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The former article states this is a "rarely granted intervention" in American state courts. The latter one states "It is infrequently cited in contemporary opinions" and has no interwikis.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support removal of Rule of lenity. It sounds like an extension of the Presumption of innocence  4 to me. Swap Judgment notwithstanding verdict for Jury trial as the latter is the context in which the former is invoked, and has application worldwide. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support both Makkool (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Damage  5

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Added 4-0 under metaphysics in Philosophy and religion. Feel free to move it elsewhere as I don't have a strong idea for where it should be placed. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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A very common concept, albeit somewhat dicdef. Should be V5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Siesta  5

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Added 7-0, under Biology. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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An enduring cross-cultural practice.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Big in Spanish-speaking countries. The Blue Rider 12:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Cyberspace  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 15:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Important concept in science and fiction, 49 interwikis. Almost 7k daily pageviews. Not sure which section to add this too, suggestions welcome. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. as nom --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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AddParliamentary system  5

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Added 5-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Presidential system  5

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Added 5-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Entrée  5, Main course  5, and Side dish  5

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All added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Three well known topics in terms of a meal that have not been listed. We list Hors d'oeuvre  5, so I'm sure we can list all three of these. All three should be listed under the Basics of Cooking, food and drink in the main Everyday life page [1].

Support
  1. All three as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hors d'ouvre should have the rest of them listed alongside. Makkool (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Graphics  5

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Added 4-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Well known concept in the world of design/visual arts that hasn't been listed yet. Different from Graphic design  4. Should be listed under Modern visual arts [2].

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Extradition  5

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Added 4-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Important concept in law enforcement.

Support
  1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Televangelism

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Important concept to modern and contemporary religion

Support
  1. pbp 14:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Proactive law, Uniform act, Economic torts, and Record sealing

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All removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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More minor concepts in law. These have zero interwikis. One is too essay-like, another has few applications, and for the latter one, we don't yet list public records, and so on.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support all Makkool (talk) 12:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. None of these seem important enough to be vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Various Culture removals

Remove Bokmål and Nynorsk

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Official written standards of the Norwegian language. Norwegian is only V5, spoken by 4-5 million people, and the general article explains both of them in detail.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Nauruan language

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Unlike other Austronesian languages, this one is entirely concentrated in the Island of Nauru. By far the least spoken language from this group we list. It has less than 10,000 speakers.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Business English

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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Sparse article. I could wager this type of education is on the decline as countries increasingly have a larger pool of people who learn English through media, school, etc.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. As someone who had business english classes I am surprising by the little amount of interwikis, I thought it was a more widespread type of education. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Lifestyle journalism and Radical media

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Minor areas/concepts in journalism and media. Low pageviews and interwikis suggest these are not frequently used.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Fyi we also list Alternative media  5 which covers similar ground to radical media Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove One Man's Family and People Are Funny

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Long-running, but frankly these shows appear to be more or less forgotten, at least compared to the others we list.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove International Broadcasting Convention

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Trade show for the TV industry. The article does not assert much vitality. 2 intewikis

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove CSI (franchise)

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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It’s proven a little hard to reduce the television section, even though it’s been voiced that we have too many shows, so this is my only proposal here. We already have CSI: Crime Scene Investigation  5, which spawned the franchise.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove List of fashion magazines and List of humor magazines

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I suppose it’s not impossible to turn these into comprehensive articles, but I agree that most list articles are too informal for a VA.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Lists don't have a place in the Wikipedai since they can't even be brought to GA status. The Blue Rider 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)

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Possibly included because the article states its “the fourth most widely circulated magazine in the United States”. Nowadays it’s the fifth, and magazines 2-4 don’t even have articles, let alone are VAs.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Human skull symbolism

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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This one stood out for me because it’s the only “symbolism of x” we have. Too sparse for a VA.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Writers Guild of America, East and Writers Guild of America West with Writers Guild of America  5

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There are meaningful differences between them, but two slots are excessive. We list only six individual labor unions in the politics and economics section, though I would agree we should have more.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Two may seem excessive, but afaict they were never a single organization and the umbrella article as such is sparse. In any case, it should be moved with the other labour unions.
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Possible Anglo-American bias in Law

Remove Fundamental Laws of England

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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Low page views and zero interwikis suggest this is not a favored classification. The treatise by William Blackstone, from which this originates, looks more influential.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Remove, and we should add the book it came from. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove High Court of Justice

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“Together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, are the Senior Courts of England and Wales” Covered by Courts of England and Wales  5

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. I would support removing Supreme Court of Canada as well and swap it for, IDK, maybe Supreme People's Court  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Court of Session

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Similar to the above. Supreme Civil Court of Scotland. It has some interesting faculties but is technically subject to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove United States Tax Court

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Judicial body that resolves disputes arising from actions or interpretations by the Internal Revenue Service. Just two interwikis. I would list the IRS first.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support swap with IRS Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Swap with IRS, which should definitely be listed first. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Swap with IRS. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Swap with IRS. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Lists of legislation

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Suffers from the problems of most list articles: sparse, informal, not comprehensive.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Not only is it a list, it is a list of lists. There is no good reason to list it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Inns of Chancery and King's Inns

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The former played a role in fostering legal education and professional standards but was not necessarily more important than similar organizations from other countries. Ditto for the latter. Low page views and interwikis as well.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Citizens United v. FEC  5

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If I am following correctly, this started because a conservative nonprofit wanted to air a documentary critical of Hillary Clinton during the 2008 U.S. election cycle. It led to some changes in campaign finance law and I can believe it was controversial, but I don’t see how this stands out compared to other landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Recent, but with overwhelming and controversial influence on the current state of affairs in US politics 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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  • @Tabu Makiadi: I haven't made up my mind as to whether we should list this yet, but I am leaning towards oppose. The influence of this ruling was the creation of the modern system of Super PACs that can rake in millions of dollars to spend on a candidate, and allow lobbyists to circumvent typical spending limits. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Non-theism cleanup

Remove Secularism in France  5

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We don't list articles on secularism in other countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. If there's only country in the world where a "Secularism in x" article makes sense, it is France. The concept of laïcité has been extremely pervasive in the French identity ever since the Enlightenment and is responsible for several uniquely French political undercurrents and incidents such as the burqa ban. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per above Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Separation of church and state in the United States  5

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We don't list articles on the separation of church and state in other countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Arguably the first country to ever separate religion from the state and for that reason, it is a fundamentally core part of the American political fabric and probably warrants a VA5 slot. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Civil naming ceremony with Naming ceremony  5

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Naming ceremony covers both religious and secular types.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Secular coming-of-age ceremony

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A niche and specific concept to list at VA5, plus it's covered by Coming of age  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Another economics and business roundup

I promise to come up with more removal proposals soon. In the meantime, I’d say every concept here is vital, though, of course, I would like to hear what you think first.

Add Universal suffrage  5

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This has become so widespread that it is often the baseline for "suffrage" itself, but true universal suffrage (all adult men, women, and ethnicities), only emerged in the early 20th century and is a milestone in the history of democracy.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Common nowadays. Should we add compulsory suffrage as well? The Blue Rider 13:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Oligopoly  5

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Along with [[Perfe ct competition]] and Monopoly  4, these are the three fundamental types of Competition (economics)  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Governance  5

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This is an important concept in corporate, policy, and academic environments.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Financial crisis  5

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The economic disruption caused by the drop in the value of financial institutions or assets. Some crises are important enough to be considered vital, for example, Great Depression  3, Great Recession  5, 1997 Asian financial crisis  5, 1998 Russian financial crisis  5, Black Monday (1987)  5, among others.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Extremely important; financial crisis shape the world greatly. The Blue Rider 14:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Benchmarking  5

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The process of comparing a company’s performance metrics to industry standards or best practices.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Marginal cost  5

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Our economics coverage at this level would be incomplete without addressing the concept of marginality, which sits right at the difference between Classical economics  5 and Neoclassical economics  5. Although both marginalism and marginal utility are similar concepts, this is the more straightforward one.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Money laundering  5

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The process of concealing the origins of illegally obtained money, typically via transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Amusement park removals

These are my old additions that can be cleaned off.

Remove Animal theme park

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Different from zoo. Not a notable type of theme parks.

Support
  1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Remove Miniature park

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Legoland is the most famous one of this type. Not notable enough to be considered vital.

Support
  1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Remove Safari park

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Doesn't seem notable enough either. We neither list Game reserve or Safari  5, which we really should have before this.

Support
  1. As nom. (remove or swap with Safari) Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Swap with Safari. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Swap with Safari. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Swap with Safari. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  5. Swap 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. The article is pretty poor right now, but these are often prominently proposed as more ethical alternatives to traditional Zoo  4s. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Family entertainment center  5

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An indoor amusement park. They're a popular leisure activity for families, and common across the world, but I still think we could cut it. Not major tourist attractions.

Support
  1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. 2 interwikis only. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Common enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Widespread, if not commonly known under that name Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Haaretz  5

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Israel's oldest newspaper (founded in 1918), Israel's newspaper of record, and it is considered the most influential and respected newspaper in Israel. It is also widely read by international observers. 41 interwikis, rated High-Importance by the Newspapers, Journalism, and Israel WikiProjects.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Add Histoire de Melody Nelson  5

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Usually held to be the magnum opus for Serge Gainsbourg  4. Other than Trans Europa Express (which has an English version) and the Miles Davis albums (which are instrumentals), all of the albums listed are in English. Of all the non-English albums we have articles for, this is probably the most vital.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Early childhood  5

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Important state of like between toddlerhood and middle childhood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Economic systems

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Add Economic system  5

As an umbrella term for Market economy  5 (and possibly others).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Planned economy  5

Historically used economic system in the socialist states. To be paired with Market economy  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Mixed economy  5

Blending of elements from planned and market economies. In use today in many parts of the world, like the Nordic model or China's socialist market economy.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Arguably every country can be classified as such. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Achievement (video games)

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Yes, this is a pretty widespread video game subject, but its also fringe enough to fall on the lines of trivia. Is the idea of an achievement necessary to an encyclopedic definition of video games?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Remove First-person (video games)  5

NO CONSENSUS
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Doesn't seem necessary when we list the more broad Virtual camera system  5.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  1. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Oppose because of what Quicole said. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove General MIDI

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The standardized specification for MIDI  5 seems to be too in-depth and unnecessary compared to MIDI itself. What is covered about General MIDI is covered enough in the MIDI article.

Support
  1. 49p (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Too niche. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Red (Taylor Swift album)  5

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When I nominated 1989 for V5 status (which I withdrew after it got no responses after a week), I stated that if a Taylor Swift  4 album were to be added, it had to be either that one or Red. I think that nearly all subjects at Vital 4 should have at least one subtopic at Vital 5, and that includes Taylor. So I'll give nominating this one a shot.

Backstory aside, this album received equal or higher critical acclaim than 1989, and appeared on several "best albums of the 2010's" lists with higher average placements than 1989 (its also been considered one of the most important albums of the decade). Out of her original six albums, Red has the highest rating on Metacritic, and her 2021 re-recording of the album is her highest rated work overall (91/100). It's her highest placed album on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time at 99 (for context, 1989 was 383). It's also her first album with songs that reached #1 on charts and is believed to have inspired a generation of indie artists. I'd say this is right on the mark for a V5 album, maybe even more than 1989?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. 49p (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Weak support for now; we don't list enough entries under "pop" relative to "rock" imo Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Too much classic rock bias on the list. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Too recent. We lack many albums from female artist that have "greatest album of all time" status, like Hounds of Love. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
    For the record, I'd support the addition of those as well if one were to make the proposals. λ NegativeMP1 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Stargate  5

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The show that started the franchise was proposed by Piotrus a while back, but was unsuccessful. However, I think we should revisit adding the franchise. Not including this franchise on the list with many of the things we do list is a major oversight. Three shows in the franchise have an awards list separate from the main article, the franchise injected a billion dollars into the British Columbian economy (not every day a media franchise has a major economic impact), and we even have a separate article on the Stargate fandom! 34 interwikis with the first film having 46 and SG-1 having 48, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Television, WikiProject Media Franchises, and WikiProject Science Fiction.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Rescue  5

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To Social studies/Society, under Emergency service -3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. 3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I think Search and rescue  5 covers this topic adequately, but I am open to be persuaded. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
    Search and rescue is normally for people that are missing thus the search; rescue is the parent topic. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Illuminati  5

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5-0. I'm adding this to Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Philosophy and religion#Western esotericism. Please feel free to move it to another category if it fits better. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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One of, if not, THE most culturally significant Conspiracy theory  4 / Secret society  4 subtopic or example. Founded by Adam Weishaupt  5. Also has an entire article dedicated to it in popular culture.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 22:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I want to close this but I have no idea where it should go, any suggestions? λ NegativeMP1 19:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Habit  5

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Added 4-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC) feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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We do these every day. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Easy support. Another one that has surprisingly not been added yet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Swap I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier for Bella ciao  5

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I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier may have been influential at the time but now seems largely forgotten, with low pageviews and it seems largely eclipsed by other famous US protest songs such as those of the civil rights movement. Bella ciao was popularized as an Itlian WW2 partisan song and remains popular and recognized all over the world to this day. Including the former over the latter seems like a case of US-centrism.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Arsenal F.C.  5 with Inter Milan  5

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Inter is another team that I'm surprised hasn't already been listed, and unlike the Dodgers, I don't think they've ever been nominated. They're currently second in Serie A titles, the only team to play in every Serie A season (although Juventus FC  5 would've joined them if it wasn't for a certain scandal), and third in Italy in terms of trophies won, only 3 trophies behind second placed AC Milan  5. They've also won 3 Champions Leagues, more than Juventus. It's also not a case of recency bias, as a lot of their success has come in the 20th century. Finally, they also get more pageviews on average than both Juventus and AC Milan [3]. In order to prevent the association football section from getting too overcrowded, I nominate Arsenal for removal, as they're the only team I think could possibly be removed at this point (except MAYBE FC Porto  5). Yes, they're third in England in terms of trophies won (also having 3 more trophies than Inter), and they're quite ahead of fourth placed Chelsea, but they're closer to Chelsea and Manchester City in terms of trophies won than they are to Liverpool F.C.  5 and Manchester United F.C.  5. They also have little success in Europe, only winning one major UEFA trophy (and that competition doesn't even exist anymore). Finally, this is more of a minor gripe as well, but of course, they also haven't won the Premier League in 20 years now.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support addition. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support addition Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support addition. Historical club with storied success in Italy and Europe. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Old MacDonald Had a Farm  5

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As mentioned in the Baby Shark VA by Makkool. One of the most iconic children's songs/nursery rhymes ever, recognized around the world, been around for over 300 years, and an easy add in a lacking department in terms of VAs.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. It's a necessary add, as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is currently our only traditional children's song Makkool (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Snake (video game genre)  5

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Everybody knows what the snake game is and everybody has played it too; it's been around forever and has always been iconic. It technically started with the arcade game Blockade (video game), and since then, it's seen hundreds of "remakes" and re-releases just about everywhere.

Support
  1. As nominator. Would also support Blockade if more people prefer that. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iconic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. The article doesn't necessarily do a good job of explaining why its important, but that's an issue that can be resolved. I feel like this game has more cultural consciousness than a lot of other games on this list. λ NegativeMP1 06:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Fanta  5

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Added 5-0. Will also create separate proposals for Sprite, Dr. Pepper, and Mountain Dew soon. λ NegativeMP1 19:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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We only list two specific soda brands, one at V4 and one at V5. While I get it might be harder to justify a specific soda brand for vitality over some more broad type of beverage, we can list more than two, and Fanta makes sense. It's existed for eighty years, has some historical significance related to its role as a World War II-era cooking ingredient, is the second most-popular soda brand in Africa, and in general is a globally popular drink; it's more popular in international markets than in the United States.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Would also support Dr. Pepper, Sprite and Mountain Dew. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Might also support Dr. Pepper or Sprite. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Would be good to add more than this. Sprite or Dr. Pepper would be good, and I might also support Mountain Dew. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support Fanta, Dr. Pepper, Sprite, and maybe Mountain Dew. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
  1. I wouldn't mind adding this, but I feel like Dr Pepper is a better choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
    How? It has half the interwikis as Fanta (it has even less than Sprite) and doesn't seem to have evidence suggesting wide-spread popularity (just because its sold in Australia or other places doesn't mean its popular there). Part of the reason I'm nominating Fanta is because of how its globally popular regardless of the region. If we chose to add a lot more sodas (e.g. 5 more) then sure, Dr Pepper would be fine, but Fanta and maybe even Sprite should come before it. λ NegativeMP1 17:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
    Fair. I actually almost said Sprite, but I switched to Dr Pepper at the last second. I was mostly going by pageviews (which DP destroys Sprite in, I know it isn't everything though [4]), and that DP is the best-selling soda in the US that's not Coke (again, Sprite is not only right behind, but the US isn't the only thing that matters). My opinion still stands on Fanta, and I would rather add Sprite. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
    @JpTheNotSoSuperior: I’ve never seen Dr Pepper before and rarely hear of it. I’ve seen all the rest of the drinks mentioned above. starship.paint (RUN) 00:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Red Bull  5

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Another glaring omission. The most iconic energy drink in the world, and the most valuable soft drink that's not Pepsi or Coke. Also known for its sports divisions (like RB Leipzig and the New York Red Bulls) and it's own music division, and it has an iconic slogan (Red Bull gives you wings). 56 interwikis and top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Prominent global brand Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per above and connected to Red Bull Racing in Formula One as well. starship.paint (RUN) 00:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
  5. Important energy drink and sports brand. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
  7. Much more than just an energy drink. The Blue Rider 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap: Add Supreme People's Court  5, remove Supreme Court of Canada

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Swapped 4-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Canada is currently the smallest country by either population or GDP for which we list its highest court. In contrast, China ranks #2 in both respects.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Venus of Urbino  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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Widely viewed as Titian's masterpiece and as one of the greatest nude paintings in Western art history.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Notable painting, per nom. 49p (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Post-structuralism  5

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Major philosophical movement. "Writers whose works are often characterised as post-structuralist include Roland Barthes  5, Jacques Derrida  4, Michel Foucault  4, Gilles Deleuze  5 and Jean Baudrillard  5."

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. How was this not already listed? Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Turkish March (Beethoven)

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Not a major piece by the composer, ranked 41st in Category:Compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven by pageviews (counting from beginning of 2020). 9 interwikis, ~50-70 daily views, <30 watchers. Vitality claims amount to some arrangements and a lawsuit about a version used in El Chavo del Ocho  5.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Trespass to land and Trespass to chattels

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Maybe this is sufficiently covered by Trespass  5? Very few page views and interwikis.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Trim Languages

WITHDRAWN
Withdrawing proposals made with little consideration and judgements based on the number of speakers, without initial consideration about the amount of interwikis or the context/background of these languages. B3251(talk) 16:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Herero language  5

The Niger–Congo languages subsection currently has 31 articles, which definitively could do some trimming when compared to other language subsections. The Herero language is primarily spoken by an ethnic group not listed as VA and only has an estimated 250,000 speakers.

Support
  1. B3251(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I like the enthusiasm for boldly slashing stuff I do. Unfortunately, I believe human languages to be of vital importance. Many of these only have low or no speakers because of violent genocide against them, colonialism, or a combination, and that is worth remembering. I do support trimming many sections, though.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. per GeogSage. Niger–Congo languages are a large language family, so naturally we should list more of them. Trimming too much from African languages would make the languages section less balanced. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Has by far the most interwikis of the three (66), and as a user stated above, the Herero and Nama genocide  5 significantly reduced their population. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 02:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. I'll also note that there aren't that many ethnic groups listed as vital (including those with a high population in general Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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See above. B3251(talk) 16:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Luba-Katanga language  5

Similar reason as above. Had an estimated 1.5 million speakers over 30 years ago. IMO a language should not be considered VA if there isn't even a modern estimation on how many people speak it.

Support
  1. B3251(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. per my previous explanationGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. per GeogSage Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. One of the major native languages of the DRC, and also a stat being outdated isn't a reason to remove the page Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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See above. B3251(talk) 16:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Ovambo language  5

Similar reasons as the above two. Had an estimated 1.4 million speakers over 30 years ago.

Support
  1. B3251(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. per my previous explanationGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. per GeogSage. The article states that it's "the largest spoken local language in Namibia" Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Most spoken native language in Namibia (around 50% speak it natively) and ditto what I said above about the dated stat Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Britannia  5

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I didn't consider Britannia's lasting popularity compared to John Bull's. I'm posting another proposal to remove the other article.

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Arts is over-quota, and we are listing currently two personifications for Great Britain. I suggest we remove Britannia and keep John Bull  5 instead, as I believe it's more iconic and relevant. Compare him to Uncle Sam.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Has a very long history and remains commonly used to the present day, unlike John Bull which was only popular until the time of the First World War. If we had to remove one of two, I would prefer removing John Bull instead. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Mars Inc.  5

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Added 4-1. Makkool (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Would much rather add M&M's than the "40th largest private-held company in the United States". The Blue Rider 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Frito-Lay

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Well known manufacturer of several iconic chip brands, especially in the United States, most notably Lay's, Doritos, and Cheetos (sidenote: I think all three of those could be VAs). Yes, it's technically already covered by PepsiCo  5, but so is KFC  5, so I think this could suffice.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Maker of some of the most iconic potato chip brands in the world. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. A bit US-centric, I'm afraid. Potato chip  5 is only V5 so I'm not convinced we need to list the largest maker of them. And yes, it's covered by PepsiCo  5 in a way that KFC  5 is not, because Yum! Brands is not vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Changing vote to oppose, per feminist. We are over-quota in Politics and economy, and lack vital companies in other industries. Makkool (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Would rather add one or two of the individual brands Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove John Bull  5

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Came to second thoughts, that actually this doesn't need to be removed. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Was popular as the national personification of the UK only until WW1. Britannia  5 has instead remained ubiquitous as a national symbol, like Marianne  5 for France.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Mingrelians

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Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

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  1. pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per Iostn. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
  1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Indictment and Arraignment

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These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add World Trade Center (2001–present) and/or One World Trade Center

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These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Mars Inc.  5

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Would much rather add M&M's than the "40th largest private-held company in the United States". The Blue Rider 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Neutral
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Makkool you cannot close this since the last comment was 3 days ago. The Blue Rider 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice your last comment. Makkool (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Deconstruction  5

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An important philosophical theory, related to Tabu Makiadi's previous proposal.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove University of California locations

Last comment 21 days ago. Removed 5-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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The affected articles are:

  1. University of California, Davis
  2. University of California, Irvine
  3. University of California, San Diego
  4. University of California, Santa Barbara

University of California  5 is only VA5, the page it is on is 200 articles over the quota, and I don't know why these four campuses were listed over the other six. In my opinion, if we are going to list any UC campus, it should be UC Berkeley. I understand that some people may think that these are vital, but we are well over the quota for this page, and we need to start cutting the less important entries.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support. They're important Universities for sure, but there are a lot of important universities.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Head of government  5

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Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. λ NegativeMP1 19:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Public finance  5

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The management of government revenue, expenditures, and debt is a core area of government. Despite its name, this should squarely go into the State structure and administration section.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. In many large countries, public finance is almost half the economy. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Goal

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We need to set them every day. Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Fine with me. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support, but only under Society (Philosophy, Psychology, or Daily Life). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Boston Red Sox  5 with Los Angeles Dodgers  5

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When I first looked at the list of vital articles, I was surprised to see that the Red Sox were one of two MLB teams listed. Even I, a Red Sox fan, always thought the Dodgers and even the St. Louis Cardinals were more recognizable teams. Yeah, the Red Sox have the 2nd largest fan base in MLB, and that's probably why they're listed. They have more championships (9) than the Dodgers (7), but over half of them came before Warren G. Harding became president, whilst all of the Dodgers' titles have came since 1955. The Dodgers also have the slight edge in pageviews (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=wiki.riteme.site&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Los_Angeles_Dodgers%7CBoston_Red_Sox) and also come from a bigger city. I feel like most people today outside of New England mainly knew the Red Sox for a curse that's been dead for 20 years, and you won't see the Chicago Cubs listed for their longer lasting and more well known curse. The point is, despite their smaller fanbase (still the 3rd most in MLB), all signs point to the Dodgers being the more recognizable team, and the one that's more deserving of a listing.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose remove Red Sox, support add Dodgers. It's worth mentioning that I've proposed adding the Dodgers before [5] and so has @TonyTheTiger: [6] and both times it failed. I do believe we have room for the Dodgers since we have removed 8 other sports teams since the last time this was proposed. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Oppose removal, support addition per Aurangzebra. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Oppose removal, support addition. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove The Apprentice (American TV series)

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Removed 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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Of the 264 TV series listed the US has 170, despite being long running and sucsessufl in its time the series has somewhat faded in obscurity. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. as nom
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. 49p (talk) 18:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. TV shows should be around 200, in my opinion, because that's the number of movies we have. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose, Trump is V4, so having a subtopic like this is probably okay. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
    @Kevinishere15: I feel that there is far better options for a Trump subtopic, Presidency of Donald Trump, Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign, Personal and business legal affairs of Donald Trump Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
    @OlifanofmrTennant: I see your point, but we don't list any other "Presidency of X" articles, so I don't think we should add just his, same goes for the other suggestions. With that said, I noticed recently that we also don't list any individual elections (from any country), and I'm starting to think that should change, so maybe the 2016 or 2020 US election could be the subtopic? Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
    You are correct no election is listed I think this is a relatively glaring considering giving how much importance they hold. Now not every election would be notable but 2020 most likely would be.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
    I think the 2020 election is way too recent to be vital on its own and I think it's consequences are well covered by the January 6 United States Capitol attack  5. λ NegativeMP1 01:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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IDK, it does seem to be a major part of why Donald Trump  4 was able to become president, but it has virtually no impact outside of that. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Daria

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This show received some positive reception from critics and was decently popular, but doesn't seem to have been particularly influential, only lasted a few years, and didn't win any awards. It is also a spin-off of Beavis and Butt-Head  5, which is also only VA5. We do list Better Call Saul, which is a spinoff of Breaking Bad  5, but that is a different situation, as that show was much more popular and well-received than this one. The page is well over the quota and we need to make some cuts, so I think this show can go.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. And for what it's worth, I'm not sure we should list BCS either. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per aboveGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

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Sports Illustrated  5 is listed as VA5, and I agree with that listing, but I don't think it needs a subtopic, and listing it should be enough. The Culture page is well over the quota, and this is something we can remove.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Definitly not worth having if we have the regular Sports Illustrated page listed.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Swap with Model (person)  5, which is what a Swimsuit Issue highlights. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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@Feminist, can you nominate the page Model (person) separately, if you haven't already done so? I agree with you but your proposal wouldn't get much traction within this one.

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Remove Better Call Saul

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Per above comment from @Kevinishere15 on removing Daria above, I think we should remove Better Call Saul.

Support
  1. As NomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. A popular show, but almost entirely in the shadow of Breaking Bad. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. I will bring up that Better Call Saul was only added earlier this year, so there might be some pushback about removing it already. That being said, I do agree that while it has the similar level of praise as Breaking Bad  5, it's hard to justify a long-lasting impact from this show on its own when it only ended two years ago. I will add that BCS does frequently top polls on the best television shows, so maybe in a few years it can be reassessed, but at present I think the listing is TOOSOON. λ NegativeMP1 19:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. A case of recentism in my opinion Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Recentism. Close to vitality but not it 49p (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Volunteering  5

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Added 5-0. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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This is a no-brainer. Every community has this. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Another easy one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add An Essay on the Principle of Population  5

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Thomas Malthus's magnum opus, continues to shape economic theory and social policy; from the decay of the English Poor Laws, to the works and ideas of important philosophers and economists, such as David Ricardo  4 and Adam Smith  3. His ideas, Malthusianism  5, that come from the book, explore the relationship between population growth and resources, has influenced debates on birth control, income distribution, and sustainable development. Malthus's insights remain relevant today, informing discussions on global challenges like climate change and poverty alleviation. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. V5 importance, although overlap with V5 Malthusianism is significant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Self-help

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We list Self-help book, but not this topic. Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Weak support. I'm not 100% sure if there are other aspects besides the self-help book publishing industry that would be vital. Makkool (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose here, neutral if you move the proposal under Society. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. I'm not too keen on having roughly similar articles included, and prefer the more concrete to the more abstract. That said, not a strong opinion, and it might fit somewhere in Society. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Educational institution  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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The category of schools and libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Makkool (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
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Remove ALBA

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This Venezuela-led organization was supposed to be an alternative to Mercosur, but it is almost defunct nowadays. Note that most member nations are very small.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. A minor alliance of a bunch of smaller countries. Does not need to be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add Brazilian Portuguese  5

Last comment 17 days ago. Added 5-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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The Portuguese language  3 being a level 3 vital article, surely its most spoken variant, Brazilian Portuguese, deserves its inclusion at level 5. Spoken by more than 200 million people, Brazilian Portuguese, is what makes the Portuguese language such a player at the international scene. The Blue Rider 16:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. I think languages are one of the most important things we can maintain on this list, so definitely. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. If we have room for five varieties of English, we can include this. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support a language spoken by over 200 million people clearly is important enough to be added Isla🏳️‍⚧ 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Light novel

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Light novels are popular form of Japanese literature. I believe it is worth including, as are a few noteworthy series that started out as light novels, particularly That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime based on the List of best-selling light novels.

Support
  1. As NomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support. Erinius (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. Big enough in the animanga sphere.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  6. Support. much of the popular anime and manga originates from light novels and they are pretty popular both in Japan and internationally Isla🏳️‍⚧ 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  7. Support. Light Novels themselves are growing in popularity significantly and much like manga (and to a lesser extent in recent years, visual novels), many anime are based on them. DarkeruTomoe (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Add That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime

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Per above discussion, on the List of best-selling light novels, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime has the most total approximate sales for the media listed, at 40 million combined sales for digital and physical media. This is a bit of an odd one, but I think it is important to add more media that is non-western to the list of vital articles.

Support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Definitely seems like a big enough series to include. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  2. Judging this based on sales numbers rather than broad cultural relevance and legacy feels inappropriate for Vital. I don't know if any individual light novel series is a Vital article, but if I had to nominate one, it certainly wouldn't be this one. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 03:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  3. Too recent a pop culture phenomenon, we already have Sword Art Online  5 which also is a better inclusion for starting the isekai anime fad. I wouldn't give too much weight to sale amounts; The Ginger Man  5 has supposedly sold 45+ million copies but has by now become so obscure I seriously question its vitality.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Oppose. While it's a high selling series, it hasn't had the same cultural impact of titles such as Dragon Ball or Naruto or even a huge impact on other titles like the light novel of Mushoku Tensei which is often credited with popularizing isekai in light novels/web novels. It'll likely be forgotten by most in a decade. DarkeruTomoe (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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  • I think that if this and the previous nomination passes, we should consider a category for light novels in general. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @TenTonParasol I only recognized a few names on the list, and those franchises were either included, such as Sword Art Online under Anime, or were pretty far down the list. If you look through the various franchises we include, there are many western bits of media that I'd believe are less impactful then this light novel series. As it is one that has been translated into English with a fairly decent following outside Japan, and listed as the most sales of the genre overall, I thought it might be worth including. The qualitative "cultural relevance and legacy" seems a bit challenging to pin down, what metrics would you use to judge this? I was trying to avoid being overly subjective when trying to look for non-western media to include.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  • I think light novels qualify as a vital topic, but at the same time that doesn't mean that any particular light novel series qualifies as vital. I'm thinking of the example of Yuri and Boys' love, which are vital articles, but I don't think any particular yuri or BL works are. Erinius (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
    • While I understand your point regarding those genres, aren't light novels a publication format that is not limited to genre? I'd imagine this would make them a bit more broad then those specific genres. If this isn't included, I think that we can cut a lot of other franchises from the vital list.
    GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
    I'm not sure anything in the 21st century fiction listing, which is where Reincarnated as a Slime would go is clearly less notable than it. Erinius (talk) 16:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
    My suggestion is a separate section for light novels as a medium, not to place it directly under 21st century fiction. A better comparison would then be the stuff in the Manga section, or under Children's and young adult books. If you look under 21st century fiction listings, there is a heavy western bias in the media we include. This is what I'm trying to address, and I'm trying to do it quantitatively by starting with the highest sales figure in the genre. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Misandry  5

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Not to get "too political," but right at the bat, and over and over, the article states that this concept is not nearly equivalent to Misogyny  5 in terms of social consequence, history, prevalence, etc. For gendered violence, we have Violence against men  5, and that's enough.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose. I see this term come up from time to time in political discussions online, and it has 927 average daily pageviews. This tells me there is likely quite a bit of societal interest in it, for better or worse.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Evidently a widely discussed topic, as evidenced by the wide variety of perspectives covered in the Misandry#In feminism section of the article. No, it's not comparable to Misogyny  5 in significance, but Level 5 comprises the 10,001th to 50,000th most important articles on the English Wikipedia, so there can be some level of variance between different topics at Level 5. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per above, might not be as vital but is still vital. Sahaib (talk) 22:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Vital enough to keep at VA5 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 03:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove There's No Business Like Show Business

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I do not see the essentially of this song. The play it is from is not even VA (Annie Get Your Gun (musical). Only 4 interwikis. Empty talk page.

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  1. as nom -1ctinus📝🗨 20:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Sure. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Vitality claims not good enough to counter the low pageview (<70 daily) and interwiki count.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Dungeon Fighter Online  5

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South Korean video game, that seems less vital than any other game we list. It's only significance seems to be it's commercial success; according to this, it's the #15 most highest-grossing media franchise globally. It's listed as the third highest-grossing video game franchise after Pokemon and Call of Duty, but unlike those two, DFO doesn't seem to have been particularly innovative or culturally relevant outside it's home country.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Only six interwikis. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Supported when this was added, this seems more like a case of a game that isn't well-known in the West but is influential in much of East Asia (and not just Korea - "By August 2012, the game recorded a peak activity of 3 million concurrent users in China alone"), so opposing based on potential regional bias. Its also worth noting that Korean online gaming is kind of its own unique breed Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. 15th is still pretty good, higher then Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles  5 Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. We removed around ten (I think) video game topics from vital articles earlier this year. I don't think a removal to make room for Animal Crossing is necessary. Also, I'm concerned about a possible bias towards the United States and Japan when it comes to video game topics here, and I believe this and PUBG: Battlegrounds  5 are the only video games developed in other parts of Asia that we list. Hell, we don't even list any video games developed in China, Eastern Europe, Africa, South America, Latin America, and many other regions. So I think this listing helps reduce bias. λ NegativeMP1 21:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
    @NegativeMP1 We have Honor of Kings  5 (China) and Tetris  4 (Eastern Europe) Iostn (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
    I stand corrected then. However, only one from each is still pitifully low. λ NegativeMP1 00:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Frozen (franchise)

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The franchise consists of two of the highest grossing films of all time Frozen (2013 film) and Frozen 2 as well as short films. Frozen 3 is currently set to be released in 2027. Sahaib (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Too recent to assess whether or not this franchise will have any long-term impact, or stay as a passing fad that mostly died out by the time the second film release. λ NegativeMP1 18:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    @NegativeMP1: the second film was more successful per List of highest-grossing films. Sahaib (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    I'm aware of that, but just because it was higher grossing doesn't indicate a larger cultural impact (especially if you take into account possible factors like inflation, nostalgia, etc.) Going off of Frozen (2013 film)#Legacy, everything that is there only discusses the films popularity from 2013-2015 and there is no indicator that it changed pop culture and/or the film industry, which is typically a stronger indicator for vitality than mere box-office success. And Frozen 2 didn't leave any cultural impact at all. So my point is that, yes, the height of the franchises popularity was in the mid-2010s, and no major cultural impact was left. λ NegativeMP1 18:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. I'd rather first add older Disney classics such as Pinocchio (1940 film).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per Iost. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Pop culture is drastically overrepresented 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 12:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  5. Maybe after we see how Frozen 3 plays out. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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I think Frozen (2013 film) would make more sense since we list more individual films than franchises in general. Iostn (talk) 18:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Hogan's Heroes

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The page this article is on is 200 articles over the quota, so more removals are needed. This show was decently popular and won a couple Emmys, but it does not seem to have had any sort of lasting impact, and the positive reception isn't to the point where the show could be listed for that alone.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Recentism. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
    I wouldn't say recentism the show ended 50 years ago Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Gotta get the list under control somehow. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Excessive pop culture listing. Other than the high pageviews and a handful of awards, not seeing enough vitality claims suggesting the show is canonical enough to include, in particular with only 14 interwikis.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  5. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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TV removals

Remove Luther (TV series)

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Popular during its time but no real impact.

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  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Too recentist as it aired in 2010-2019.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  6. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Boy Meets World

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Once again very little cultural impact. Exactly 20 interwikis

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  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  5. Not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom. Minimal cultural relevance and none of the actors/actresses are recognizable names. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  7. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Tiny Toon Adventures

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Covered under Looney Tunes  4

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  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom., didn't have the cultural impact of Animaniacs for example Makkool (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom, Not everything is notable just because it has a subtopic of a v4.-1ctinus📝🗨 14:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  6. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Since Looney Tunes is V4, it makes sense to have subtopics for it. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
    It does have the subtopic of Bugs Bunny  5 Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
    Looking at interwikis, Bugs, Daffy, and Porky have 61, 46, and 34 respectively. Tiny Toon Adventures has just 26. Daffy and Porky were also removed a few years back with no votes excluding the nominator. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 12:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Remove The Beverly Hillbillies

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Interesting but not really vital just under 20 interwikis.

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  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
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Remove How I Met Your Mother  5

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This one hurts, popular show but since its conclusion it has somewhat faded into obscurity.

Support
  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom., too many American show listed Makkool (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Has absolutely not "faded into obscurity", and I say this as someone who never watched it, there are many shows I would remove first. Interwikis are also very high. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  2. Eh, haven't even seen the show but I think this has been big enough to include for now.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  3. Spawned a spinoff, quotes from the show are used frequently in popular culture and memes, and its categorization as a 'comfort show' to many (like Friends  5 and Seinfeld  5) ensured it has remained relevant years after its finale. In fact, HIMYM consistently tops the charts on its streaming platforms a full decade after its conclusion. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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Film additions

Add Harakiri (1962 film)  5

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In the removal discussion for The Human Condition (film series), I noted that film/series seemed less vital than Harakiri, a film by the same director, which has a 100% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes and is the highest ranked film on Letterboxd. It's also in the TSPDT top 1000.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Fantasia (1940 film)  5

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Considered a landmark in animated film, and one that continues to have a long-lasting legacy.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. I mentioned in the now-archived thread to remove Wall-E that my top candidate for replacing it was Fantasia (1940 film) but it didn't get much traction. Hopefully, there is more support this time around. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Disney animated films I feel are slightly underrepresented considering their enduring worldwide popularity, and I'd consider this (alongside Pinocchio) more vital than Beauty and the Beast (1991 film)  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Absolutely. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Nanook of the North  5

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Hugely influential on the documentary film as a format, "It was the first feature-length documentary to achieve commercial success, proving the financial viability of the genre and inspiring many films to come".

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Proved that documentaries could make money and was among the first films chosen for preservation by Congress. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 17:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. I'm apt to oppose films that people who aren't extreme cinephiles typically haven't heard of. Also, I feel like, in general, it requires a much higher standard of notability to include documentaries on this list as documentaries are much less influential in the cultural zeitgeist than regular movies. If we are really looking to add another documentary, I would rather add Bowling for Columbine which has much more of a cultural legacy, is way more well-known, has won more awards (though this is less impressive when compared to a movie from 1922), and is regularly considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    I would support adding Bowling for Columbine as well. Iostn (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Rome, Open City  5

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"Open City is considered one of the most important and representative works of Italian neorealism  5, and an important stepping stone for Italian filmmaking as a whole."

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Subtopic of Bicycle Thieves. Interstellarity (talk) 17:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  4. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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  1. We already have a better, much more famous representative for Italian neorealism with Bicycle Thieves  4. We probably don't need 2. And even with the expanded quota, our film section is so small that we should probably only be listing unambiguous classics or widely-known films. It doesn't even have a Legacy section. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
    I am explicitly proposing films because I think the section is disproprtionately small compared to video games (which is at ~100), when films have been around for much longer (1890s vs 1970s) and have built up much more cultural influence over time. Besides, Bicycle Thieves is listed a tier above this already. Iostn (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    I agree that films should have more representation especially when compared to video games (I have a track record of complaining about how many video game articles we have), I just don't think this is anywhere close to being one of the best candidates. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Get Out

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Maybe recent(ist), but this has already risen as one of the most highly-regarded films of the 21st century, and has had an impact on "conscious" trends in film in recent years.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support swap as discussed below. Interstellarity (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. We're over quota in Level 5. While we are still adding broadly relevant concepts like Voting  5, I can't support adding one-off films like this one. starship.paint 13:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    VA5 is currently below quota, its only has 49,958 as of the latest update. Iostn (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    But Arts is over-quota at 3,322/3,300. Currently specific films are at 199, and customarily we had at the number of vital films at 200. I would support your suggestions, if paired with films to swap. Makkool (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    I was actually personally in favour of a higher quota for films, given we had one of 105 for video games which is a much more recent medium and therefore one with less titles that are as culturally influential, but I can propose some other removals from Arts. Iostn (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    Jumping into this quite late but I would support removing video games in favor of adding more movies. I think our massive list of video game articles reflects the demographics of VA5 voters as opposed to all Wikipedia users whereas movies are a more global phenomenon. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
    @Iostn:, I stand corrected, I did not know about the recent update. Still, I agree with Makkool. starship.paint 08:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Pather Panchali  5

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One of the most important films in the history of Indian cinema, which is also the largest in the world in terms of number of films produced.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. As far as I'm aware, we don't list a single Indian movie. We definitely should have one and this is probably the best candidate since Satyajit Ray  4 has been highly influential in global cinema. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    There is The Apu Trilogy  4 at least.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    Oh completely missed that. As the most famous movie in that trilogy, I'll still support this proposal. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    And there's Sholay  5 and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge  5 too. Makkool (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Shrek  5

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Arguably the biggest animated film of the 2000s, became a lasting cultural phenomenon and turned DreamWorks into one of the biggest animated film studios. Also note it being the first 21st century animated film in the National Film Registry.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Very culturally influential, for better or worse.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Undoubtedly important. λ NegativeMP1 04:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. All of our Western animated films are from Disney or Pixar. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting just a few hours after the release date of Shrek 5 was announced. I think that may just help. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Koyaanisqatsi  5

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Added 5-0, per WP:AVALANCHE. Makkool (talk) 10:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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For the "art film" subsection, this is one of the most well-known non-narrative essay films of its kind, is highly-acclaimed and also went on to influence works such as Baraka (film). Also highly notable for its score by Philip Glass  4, from the music section; "The music has become so popular that the Philip Glass Ensemble has toured the world, playing the music for Koyaanisqatsi live in front of the movie screen".

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nom. User:CopiousAmountofCannons (talk} 08:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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Add Close Encounters of the Third Kind  5

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Another one of the most influential science fiction films of all time.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Add Ring (film)  5

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Big landmark in the overseas influence of Japanese horror cinema, and can be considered a big part of the resurgence of Japanese pop cultural influence in the 1990s and early 2000s.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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