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Add Rechtsstaat

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 09:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Rechtsstaat, originating in German Jurisprudence  4, embodies principles of legal certainty, equality before the law, and protection of individual rights. This principle depends on the Separation of powers  4, ensuring Judicial independence  5 and impartiality. It emphasizes the rule of law as a safeguard against arbitrary government actions, ensuring that legal processes are transparent, predictable, and fair. The doctrine has influenced constitutionalism and legal theory globally, contributing to the development of democratic governance and the protection of human rights in diverse countries

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 14:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Lebensraum

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lebensraum, a geopolitical concept coined by Friedrich Ratzel, that posits that territories are living organisms and, as so, need to expand in order to provide for their population. This idea was notably adopted and distorted by the Nazi Party during World War II to justify their aggressive expansionist policies. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime used the concept of Lebensraum to justify their invasions and annexations of neighboring territories, particularly in Eastern Europe, under the pretext of securing land for the German people. This expansionist ideology was a key component of Nazi propaganda and played a significant role in shaping the course of World War II. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Should pass now. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Social organization  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Collectivism" redirects here. I think collectivism should be listed at the same level as Individualism  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. I don't like the reasoning of this nomination. It seems to be that a subject that does not merit/warrant its own article should be level 5 and the place the redirect for that subject points is to this article which does not even have a hatnote saying the referring subject links here.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Public good (economics)  5

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Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are three types of goods in economics, private goods, common goods and public goods. Public goods are of the interest of the state and are specially important in welfare states. They are also widely studied in the field of economics because they have a grand influence in the policies of a state; one must decide whether to allocate resources toward public goods provision through taxation and government spending or to leave their provision to the private sector, considering factors such as efficiency, equity, and the role of government in promoting societal welfare. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Since the other 2 are not listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose struck.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Two wrongs don't make a right, plus public goods are the most immportant of them all. The Blue Rider 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Fraktur  5 with Blackletter

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Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Emerging adulthood and early adulthood

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Neither added 2–2. Makkool (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s a subtopic of young adulthood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This seems to be a nebulous term. I am a bit surprised it gets more respect than the term "tween", which is a redirect. Are there other phases of adulthood that are VA5. This can't be more important than say "Midlife crisis". Please map out all the phases of life and think about what is VA and what is not.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Add International Committee of the Red Cross

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A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. Red cross redirects to the other article you mention above. I am a bit confused as to the distinction here.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I'm not an very acquainted with the structure, but as I understand, the Red Cross movement consists of several organisations (including national Red Cross orgs), and the ICRC is the international umbrella organisation. Its existence is legislated in the Geneva Convention. I think it's a significant enough entity on its own, and the Red Cross in Level 3, so it could have a sub-article. Makkool (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Moral responsibility

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Another straightforward addition since we take responsibility for our actions. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, but only under Philosophy -> Ethics or Sociology somewhere.
  3. Support Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Semi-presidential republic

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Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Investment fund

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Common method of performing an Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rodion Raskolnikov

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A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis (23) than Elizabeth Bennet  5 (17), which we already list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A lot of important fictional characters have been delisted.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Book of Common Prayer (1662)

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The liturgical book used in Anglican/Episcopal church since 1662. The article stresses its importance in that it "has influenced the English language, with its use alongside the King James Version of the Bible contributing to an increase in literacy from the 16th to the 20th century".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Revolutionary opera, or alternatively one of the operas included in that category

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Seems to me like Western bias is the only reason this hasn't already been identified as a VA, given the large influence in Chinese society. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nonogram

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Also known as picross or paint by number, a common type of puzzle that hasn't been listed. If stuff like the Sliding puzzle  5 can be listed, then so can this.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I've always known them as "hanjie". We list more obscure articles than this. Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Cryptogram

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Another common puzzle type (also a type of Cryptography  3) that's not been listed yet.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Common enough type of puzzle Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Catharism

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A heretical Christian movement from medieval Europe. Pretty famous events in history, and I'm surprised that it's not added yet. I think this could be listed in History, but we have other historical religions like Manichaeism  4 listed in Religion and philosophy, so I think this could go there as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Exchange (organized market)  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We currently list Stock exchange  4 and Futures exchange  5, but we lack the general concept. This could be added as an umbrella topic for the latter two.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Flow (psychology)

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We list Positive psychology  5, but not one of its most popular theories. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi  5, who introduced flow theory is also already V5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Another business and economics roundup, Part 2

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Add Saving  5

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Added 4-0. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Income that is set aside for future use, and is typically held for contingencies. At the macroeconomic level, the level of savings is largely equated with Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic economic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Fiat money

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Currency that is not backed by a physical commodity, but is established as legal tender by the government. Basically, after the end of the Bretton Woods system  5, every national currency has worked this way.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important concept. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Recession  5

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Last comment in August. Added 4-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The decline in activity across the economy lasting more than a few periods, visible in changes in GDP, income, employment, and production.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ...What!? We missed this one? I also noticed we don't even list Economic depression, so there is not an exclusion-due-to-overlap excuse in that regard.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Foreign exchange reserves

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Assets held by a central bank in foreign currencies. Used to back liabilities and monetary policy, such as managing exchange rates. An important marker of a country's stability.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Credit rating

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Creditworthiness of a borrower, typically a government or corporation. Issued by credit rating agencies, (The "Big Three") which are quite powerful in their own right.

Support
  1. As nominator. To banking and financing. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tata Group

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Founded by Jamshedji Tata  4, it is India’s largest business conglomerate and was the fourth-largest private employer in the world in 2022.

Support
  1. As nominator. To companies. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Award and Trophy

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Two basic concepts that don't need further explanation. Possibly put these under Accessories in Everyday life? If you have a better suggestion let me know.

Support
  1. Both as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Team

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Everyday concept. Typically related to organizational work.

Support
  1. As nominator. To management.Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maybe a little dicdef, but a basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Chief executive officer

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Also known as CEO, a basic business concept that hasn't been added yet. Could possibly be V4? Should be added to Business, either General or Business types.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Probably not V4, given we don't even list Corporate title, although we probably need to add that (I don't know if there's another article that is vital that encompasses this). 49p (talk) 05:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Gym

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Everyday facility. Common across the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. To sports basics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic add. Also important in education. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 02:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Camel (cigarette)

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As proposed by The Blue Rider in the Marlboro proposal. A well known cigarette brand that is still widely recognized today. I personally feel like it's not the strongest add, but I think it's recognized enough that people will advocate for this (plus, it gave us Joe Camel). Also Top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. Weak support as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Cigarettes in general are in decline, and this is not the strongest brand. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Marlboro is enough, we don't need a secong cigarette brand Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Swap Collingwood in for Carlton

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In the Australian rules football section of the Sports teams and clubs, Collingwood after their premiership last year (2023) has the equal most premierships (with Carlton and Essendon), the clear outright most grand final appearances, and the largest supporter base, making them the most valuable brand in the AFL. If there is only to be one team listed, it should be Collingwood. HoleyFrijoles (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Cruelty to animals

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More properly known as animal abuse. This has become increasingly recognized and condemned throughout the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Humanitarian aid

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Assistance provided to groups of people in distress, typically in response to emergencies or disasters.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Santos FC, remove Paris Saint-Germain

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I just noticed that @AirshipJungleman29: added in Santos FC and removed Paris Saint-Germain on April 5 without a vote. I'm going to revert these changes but presenting them here in case people are interested. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Oppose removing PSG, neutral on adding Santos. As mentioned in my PSG proposal, they do suffer a little from recency bias, but they're still the most successful French club, and they still have plenty of success prior to their 2011 takeover. As for Santos, I'd like to add a Brazilian club, but I'm not sure whether they or CR Flamengo are more successful, so somebody who knows Brazilian football/soccer better than I do should weigh in on this. One of those two should definitely be added though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove some modern non-fiction books

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Remove The Death and Life of Great American Cities  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. One of most influential American non-fiction books. Cross-cultural appeal isn't required for every vital book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Makkool. Seminal text in urban planning and extremely influential in academic circles. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Remove Mythology (book)  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I am not convinced that this is a vital book. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Has an enduring reputation as a classic introductory text book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: citation needed. starship.paint (RUN) 01:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just going by what reads on the article. It's also part of The Greatest Books website's listing. Makkool (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    825th greatest book of all time? Not very convincing. starship.paint (RUN) 12:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per MakkoolTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Orthodoxy (book)  5

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NO CONSENSUS
90+ days from being opened, 24 days from last comment. Not removed 2-1. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A classic of Christian apologetics Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Remove A Study of History  5

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NO CONSENSUS
90+ days from being opened, 24 days from last comment. Not removed 2-1. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. One of most influential history non-fiction books. Enduring reputation isn't required for every vital book, it's enough to have an impact on the time of publication. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Dogs with jobs

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Add Police dog

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Also known as K-9, police dogs have a long history of serving law enforcement agencies around the world. They’ve been portrayed in countless movies and TV shows, and their historical contributions, like their role in World War II, are important. They continue to play a crucial role in public safety and are an essential part of modern law enforcement. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Absolutely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. for sureGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Sled dog

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Easily one of the most cultural influential trained dogs, every child dreams of being pushed by sled dogs. Also important for many circumpolar peoples, such as Inuit  4, for the Arctic exploration  5, Klondike Gold Rush  5, etc. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Yep GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Guide dog

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Dogs that help people with Visual impairment  4; widespread with a considerable societal influence, vital. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Without a doubtGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add First-past-the-post voting

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Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sadly common still, and a contentious political topic in many different countries Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Party-list proportional representation

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Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support

As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
  1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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Used to be listed, but was removed without discussion. Iconic blockbuster film, famed for its groundbreaking special effects, and a catalyst for the Disney Renaissance  5. I think it's more important than e.g. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)  5.

Goes under WP:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Animation.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I was about to list this a while back but saw it was apparently removed. Surprising, I did not know it was without consensus. Easily one of the most important film in the golden age of American animation. 49p (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The golden age of animation was in the earlyish-to-mid 1900s (chiefly 1930s and 1940s) when huge technical advances were made, Roger Rabbit came decades after that (but was set during the era). (As an aside, the WP:COMMONNAME as far as I've seen really is without the "American" part, Wikipedia doesn't specify "European Renaissance" either.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I meant one of the most important films of modern animation, not golden age (while it's set in it), my bad. More accurately, I would say it came out at the end of the "dark age" era but paved the way for the modern era. Either way, the film's influence can't really be understated. 49p (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. If it was removed without discussion, we should add it back and this should be a deletion proposal on behalf of the remover assuming good faith. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, it happened years ago in VA5's WP:BRD era.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Was its removal part of a set of actions?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As I recall, a newish editor came and made swaps, which I reverted, but only partially because I didn't feel like WP:OWNing the movie list.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Berserk (manga)

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Berserk is one of the most influential works in the dark fantasy genre and has influenced a large number of works in a variety of media. It is one of the best-selling manga and has been critically praised. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is the next work in the animanga sphere I thought to nominate if The Rose of Versailles failed to be added.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As vital as Hunter x Hunter, that just got added. Makkool (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Do it yourself

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A common method many individuals take. Not sure if this is already covered with another topic, but I saw this wasn't listed and decided to put it up.

Support
  1. Not sure where to specifically put it but it should go somewhere in Arts 49p (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Big Mac  5

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PASSED
Added 5-0 per WP:AVALANCHE. Makkool (talk) 10:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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One of the world's most globally-available branded products and an icon of capitalism. Place under Hamburger  4 in the Everyday life section.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. One of the word's most recognisiable brands and has been for decades. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The most well-known food from a restaurant ever. Now is Whopper too obscure to be added? We don't list Burger King so I'm afraid the answer is yes. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Ice climbing

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We have Mountaineering  4 and Rock climbing  4 at level 4 and the sub-branches of Sport climbing  5 and Bouldering  5 at level 5. I think that Ice climbing is also a level 5 (and has its own sub-branches of Mixed climbing and Dry-tooling). Ice climbing appears on 31 different Wikipedia platforms which is also another rough proxy to its vitality imho. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely, since all those other types of climbing are already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. not convinced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove List of rice dishes  5

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A long and detailed list, but I don't think we really need it as a vital article, as Cooked rice  5 is already listed separately, and that article also contains a list of rice dishes.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. There are very few actually vital lists, and this is not one of them. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Assisted living and Independent living

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Maybe place under Disability in issues, plenty of people are in these living situations. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, maybe under Everyday life/Home living? Makkool (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Assisted. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Independent.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add transport companies

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Add Mediterranean Shipping Company

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The world's largest container shipping company. Not so well-known, but I'm still thinking it's vital enough to include. Currently we don't list any naval transport companies.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add FedEx  5

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PASSED
Swapped FedEx Express with this 6-0. Makkool (talk) 15:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

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Very important transportation company. We already list UPS, and there's no question that FedEx is as vital as they are.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, especially considering we have FedEx Express listed and not this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Support a swap with FedEx Express. We list quite a lot airlines. Makkool (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Should we swap this with Express or no? Either way, per nom 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Swap with FedEx Express. Interstellarity (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Swap with FedEx Express. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add DHL Group

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Third largest courier company after UPS and FedEx. Should be listed as well to represent Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Royal Mail and Post Office Limited

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Major postal companies in the UK. Since this is the English Wikipedia, listing UK companies seems sensible.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Royal Mail Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Royal Mail only Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We should list Post office first. And even then, I think these two are too niche, even by British (let alone European) standards. Among British companies, something like Arm Holdings, or something from the FTSE 100, is much more unique/notable in the global context. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Constructive trust  5, Discretionary trust  5, Estate in land  5, and Future interest  5

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Lesser concepts in Property and Trust law. Some are too exclusive to the Anglo world. Very few pageviews and interwikis, and are covered by more general articles.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support all Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Strategy

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A major part of warfare and business management. Place under Politics and economics > War and military > Basics?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Cheondoism

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Influential as a New religious movement  3 in 19th and 20th century Korea, and one of the satellite parties in North Korea (of which only two exist) was created specifically to represent them. Maybe less influential today, but it still has tens of thousands of adherents in the South alone.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Planning

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A major process in daily life, business and government. Place under Thought  3 in Social studies?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Post office

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It's obviously vital or obvious reasons. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. notable omission. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Arm Holdings

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Major CPU company in GB. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Toy soldier

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A classic toy, certainly should be considered vital. Covers both tin soldier and army men, which got recently removed.

Support
  1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Doo-wop

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This genre played a crucial role in shaping early rock and roll, as well as being one of the earliest pop styles of vocal harmony groups. Often sung by "one-hit wonder" artists, which is why we don't list many here, they made many of the most celebrated songs of that era.

Support
  1. As nominator. To popular music genres. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm as much of a Motown fan as anyone here, but I am not convinced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add I Want You Back

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The quintessential Motown recording, at least as much as I Heard It Through the Grapevine  5. It has sold six million copies and has been praised as one of the greatest songs of all time. It's also the debut single of the Jackson 5, and as such it is MJ's introduction to the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Because of the J5/MJ connection.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Istanbul University

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Turkey's premier university. Founded all the way back in 1453.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In general there's a lot of US bias under universities that needs addressing (I have thought abour proposing many removals there as the subsection is way over quota already) Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Turkey is big enough for a university IMO, and to Iostn's point, I found a couple good removals for US universities. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Rework the 20th century specific musical works

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The section listing 20th century specific musical works is highly unrepresentative of 20th century western classical music. Of the 29 works listed, 16 were written before 1920 and only 4 after 1950, including Giazotto’s Adagio in G minor which is a musical scam (and could arguably be put in the Baroque section) and Karl Jenkins’ The Armed Man, which is of debatable historical importance. In addition, while atonality is a defining characteristic of a lot of classical music in this period, there is no atonal work on the list, including Cage’s 4’33’’ which doesn’t use any musical idiom. While the 20th century is full of very influent composers (59 level 5 articles), 4 composers (Debussy, Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Sibelius) have written 14 works on the list, which is almost half. While Debussy and Mahler are central figures of the evolution of musical language, Rachmaninoff and Sibelius (4 works on the list each), although important composers, shouldn’t be this overrepresented and account for a fourth of 20th century music. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest at least the following removals : The Armed Man, Csárdás (Monti), Finlandia, Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff), Suite bergamasque, Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), and at least the following additions : Pierrot lunaire, Music for 18 musicians, Violin Concerto (Berg), Le Marteau sans maître. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - excellent points, the list would benefit from these changes Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose removing Suite bergamasque  5 (contains the world-famous Clair de lune which doesn't have a separate article) and Finlandia  5 (Sibelius's by far most famous and culturally impactful work, I'd rather remove one of his two listed symphonies), support adding Pierrot lunaire.
While I agree avant-garde music may need more representation, your addition suggestions are mostly more obscure than removals, with Pierrot lunaire by Arnold Schoenberg  4 a notable exception, plus Music for 18 musicians and Violin Concerto (Berg) have weak vitality claims. Lulu (opera) seems a more promising 12-tone composition addition than the violin concerto by the same composer. If we're struggling to remove 20th century works, other eras can perhaps be trimmed instead (I already proposed removing a less important Beethoven piece below.). Additonally, a few people's works dominating may be just natural due to Pareto distribution, although the VA project's non-overlap principle can justify counteracting this.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Lollipop

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A common type of Candy  4. Place under Food types in Everyday life.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very common. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Evangelism  5

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PASSED
Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 08:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We added televangelism, but regular evangelism should be included as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I assumed this was already listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Course (food)

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A class of dishes served as part of a meal. Includes Entrée  5, Main course  5, Side dish  5 and Dessert  4. Rated High-importance in Wikiproject Food and drink.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Some squares

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A Town square  5 is commonly one of the most, if not the most, visited places in a given city. Many public squares are culturally significant. We do list Red Square  5 but I'm not sure if we list anything else.

Which section should we list these? Red Square  5 is currently in Architecture, but we could move it to Cities, if we feel that to be the best places for squares. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Tiananmen Square  5

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Tiananmen Square in Beijing  3 is where Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China and is home to the National Museum of China  4. Globally, it is perhaps best known for the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although its most well-known for 1989 in the West, its significance to modern Chinese history goes back way before that Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Alexanderplatz  5

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Alexanderplatz is reputedly the most visited area of Berlin  4 and one of the city's major commercial areas.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tahrir Square  5

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Famous for the 2011 Egyptian revolution  5. Note that Cairo  3 is at level 3.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Taksim Square (not OP)

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Another famous square, major tourist attraction in Istanbul. Also known for protests back in 2013.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Trafalgar Square (not OP)

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Surprising omission, iconic location.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Piccadilly Circus (not OP)

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Can't see not including this along with Trafalgar Sq., as iconic as the other.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support adding, though I think Trafalger is more iconic (Compare the interwikis). Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Times Square (not OP)

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Another iconic location.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Around as important as Wall Street  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap National Pro Fastpitch  5 with Women's Professional Fastpitch

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I came across that the US professional women's softball league has changed organizations recently. I feel we should swap this with the new league, even though it was founded only two years ago. I don't think keeping the old one is necessary, even for history's sake. There could be grounds for removal as well, because we are over-quota in this section, so I'll open that up also for discussion.

Support swap
  1. as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Think tank

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Outside of the U.S., these are better known as policy institutes. They are an important bridge between academic research and policymaking. Some of the most prominent ones are the Brookings Institution, Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, RAND Corporation, and Chatham House, among others.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Think thank are very important for social sciences, more specifically to economics and politics. The Blue Rider 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important politically. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Chanson

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French popular music genre encompassing around a thousand years.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Erotica

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An art classification, and an important expression of Human sexuality  2.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 18:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Time management and Procrastination

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Two common "meta" activities conducted by most people. Maybe place under Productivity  4 in Business?

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Daughters of the American Revolution

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Maybe not niche, but not enough of an impact to be listed. Excluding political parties, 12 of the 21 National Organizations we list are from the U.S.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Soft support but yes.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Long Now Foundation  5

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It seems involved in somewhat arcane, futuristic projects. The last ones listed here are from the early 2010s, so it seems this organization has petered out ever since.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not important enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nun

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A woman who vows to dedicate her life to religious service and contemplation, often through a religious order. Note that the term is not exclusive to Christianity and is not merely analogous to Monk  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Religion and Spiriturality --- Practices Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)~[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Surprising omission. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weird this wasn't already included.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Gender binary

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Since the article was recently brought to my attention by having to revert some nonsense on there yesterday, this is a common societal concept. Add to Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Social_status

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  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. It's a description of a common phenomenon in society from a sociological perspective, almost exclusively from a critical perspective. This does not mean that "gender binary" as a concept is commonly discussed outside of social science circles or outside the Global North. I may support this if Social sciences weren't already over quota and after we have listed more commonly discussed topics such as Collectivism, Habit  5, Planning, Strategy, Procrastination, etc. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Social studies isn't over quota, its at 497/500. In any case, I do think more entries could be added to that section by clearing some of the excessive pop cultural subculture listings or named generations. Iostn (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Trim Academic journals.

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The Culture page is well over the quota, and there are a lot of very important peer-reviewed publications out there. Every discipline has their own set of academic organizations and publications, and every country has them as well. Trying to find out which should be included is very political and will cause infighting, so I'd suggest to only include the ones with the highest impact factor that are very broad and not specific to one country. For example, as a geographer Annals of the American Association of Geographers is very important to me, but I would not include it on this list. There is a lot of representation of medical journals, but many of the physical/social sciences are ignored, I don't see any engineering journals, and there are very few humanities journals. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say an academic journal isn't vital, so it would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the most impactful and broad journals, while eliminating ones that are overly specific to a single discipline or country unless it is particularly noteworthy to avoid opening the can of worms of trying to sort academic journals. I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular, but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove American Journal of Botany

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove American Journal of Biological Anthropology

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Palaeontology (journal)

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Proceedings of the Royal Society

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't think we need two Royal Society journals. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Based on admittedly limited info, it is described as "one of the most important science journals in history", has significantly higher interwikis and pageviews than most of these, and cites many massive names among its authors. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Angewandte Chemie

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Annalen der Physik

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Very long-running, published several important papers. 29 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Physics. I think this can be kept. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Annals of Mathematics

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Astrophysical Journal

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The article does not indicate any importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Linnean Society of London could be considered as vital as the oldest biological society in the world, but I don't see its scientific journal to be as important. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support swap for Linnean Society of London
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Remove Chemical Reviews

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Cochrane Library

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Crelle's Journal

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Harvard Law Review

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Significant influence re: US law and politics, see the alumni list Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Journal of the American Chemical Society

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  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Journal of Philosophy

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Journal of Zoology

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Lancet

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. The article shows that The Lancet has had a large amount of influence. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This is maybe the single most influential academic journal, and I think a lot of people, even those with no connection to medicine, have heard the name before, which is something that is very rare for journals. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Mathematical Reviews

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Mind (journal)

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The New England Journal of Medicine

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. This title has gravitas.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RemoveNoûs

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. No indication of importance Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Remove Palaeontology (journal)

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. The "world's longest-running scientific journal" (and apparently the second oldest overall), 30 interwikis, and over 1500 pageviews in the last month, not to mention the names in the contributors list. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Philosophical Review

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Physical Review

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Physical Review Letters

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Methodology

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The study of research methods. An intersection between epistemology, philosophy of science, and the scientific method

Support
  1. As nom. To philosophy of science. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I'm a bit biased because this is where I live professionally. For sure consider it vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Tempura

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A common dish in Japanese cuisine  4 dating back to the 16th century. Place under Seafood in Everyday life.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. One of the many examples of Portuguese cuisine  5 that has spread during the Age of Discovery  3. The Blue Rider 20:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Illegal immigration

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A commonly discussed issue in most high-income countries. Place either under Immigration  4 in Social studies, or under Immigration law  5 in Politics and economics. My preference is the former because our article on illegal immigration focuses on the reasons and impact on the practice, rather than how the laws themselves are breached.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. People sure do talk alot about it in the politics, should be included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add International school

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A type of Private school  5 which expatriate and immigrant families send their kids to, offering a curriculum different from what is administered in the country. Place under Education.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I've taught at international schools, they are pretty common. The Blue Rider 20:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Media strategy  5

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This topic does not seem particularly important, the page it is on is well over the quota, and there are more important related topics we don't list. Only three interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Inti

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The sun god of the Incas. Second important deity for them after Viracocha  5, and the national patron of the Inca state. Add to Native American mythology.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Drink brand additions

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This is a group of nominations for several different popular drinks that share relatively the same rationale for why they should be added (globally recognized and long-lasting brands, lack of sodas at V5, etc). And so, I've grouped them all up under one topic.

Note that a lot of these had support in the separate proposal to add Fanta  5, though I chose to make a separate proposal so that it's easier to manage, plus there were other drinks I wanted to nominate.

Add Sprite (drink)

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A soft drink that is globally popular, with generally similar popularity as Fanta  5 (though maybe a bit less). Would probably be placed directly under Soft drink  4 since I'm not sure where else it would go.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. I would actually prefer 7 Up for balance, to not give Coca Cola Company's products too many slots. But Sprite's okay too 'cause it got support already in the previous proposal. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, globally popular drink. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Very popular. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I would prefer to see 7 Up, I think.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Not sure if it's significant.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Mountain Dew

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Another soft drink that is fairly popular, although substantially less than Sprite and Fanta since its marketshare majority is generally only in the United States. Nevertheless, I still think it could be added since its sold in a lot of places, and therefore globally recognized.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not true that it isn't significant outside of the US Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very recognizable, with quite a bit of international popularity. (As I think the interwikis show) Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

Add Lipton

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For a change of pace, here's a globally recognized brand of Iced tea  5 that has existed for over a century. It's sold in over 150 countries and seems to be very popular in the Australasia region.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We actually list too many articles about tea. I was thinking of proposing to remove some Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

Add Dr. Pepper

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Another type of Cola  5. Unlike some of these other drinks, it's not a globally recognized brand and is only produced and sold in the United States. I don't know whether or not it should be added, so I'm actually neutral on this one.

Support
  1. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not a cola even though it's black in color Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Makkool. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NegativeMP1 "is only produced and sold in the United States" is wrong, the article mentions this. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, but even then, it's very few countries and I still don't know whether or not it should be added. It's definitely the weakest outside of the ones I've proposed. λ NegativeMP1 18:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Nescafé

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A globally popular brand of Instant coffee  5 sold worldwide. It even has more interwikis than the concept of Instant coffee itself.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Loose support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think it's enough to just list instant coffee Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

This or Nespresso? feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trim Academic Institutions

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The Culture page is well over the quota, and we have a lot of Academic Institutions. I can see why this would happen, there are a lot of people in America who really love the school they went to, sports fans, and University employees who all want to see their school as vital. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say a University isn't vital, but it appears we don't have a very good system for why we have included some while others are ignored. It would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the biggest most significant Universities. I think we should start by trimming ones from the United States, as it is clearly WAY over represented (to be fair, the US does have a lot of great school from an international standpoint). I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular (I actually expect many if not most of these to fail), but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion. As an assistant professor, this hurts a bit, however there is significant room to trim the academic institutions, especially in the United States, and tough decisions need to be made. I am not affiliated with any of the schools currently on the list, and never have been, but could make the case for at least five schools being included if we don't trim this as they are just as impactful if not more so then many on the list now. It could easily be a situation where EVERY one of the 50 states flagship universities are included, which wouldn't be ideal.

Remove Duke University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 71 interwikis is a huge amount. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Florida State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. For their role in cancer research among other things Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Georgia Tech

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Miami

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Notre Dame

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Important for Catholic research. The Blue Rider 16:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per BlueRider. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Pittsburgh

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Syracuse University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Virginia

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Georgetown University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think UIUC has importance in difference to others. 49p (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Indiana University Bloomington

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Iowa

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support but I'm not happy about it.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not seeing why it is vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Maryland, College Park

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Michigan

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Michigan State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Personally, I would rather keep our number of university systems. They are more fulfilling of the role universities should have in society, and the alternative would be leaving only elite institutions that extremely few people will attend. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Minnesota

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Does not seem vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Northwestern University

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Purdue University

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Rutgers University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Wisconsin–Madison

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Quite an important university, just a quick look at the lead you will find out that As of March 2023, 20 Nobel laureates, 41 Pulitzer Prize winners, 2 Fields medalists, and 1 Turing Award recipient have been affiliated with UW–Madison as alumni, faculty, or researchers." The Blue Rider 16:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Baylor University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Kansas

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Texas at Austin

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Pomona College

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Swarthmore College

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Williams College

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Alabama

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If the university was added because of its collegiate football, then at most add such football team. The Blue Rider 16:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Blue Rider, would support just the football team Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The Crimson Tide is very important to collegiate football, and we even list one of their coaches as vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support swapping with Alabama Crimson Tide football, since that is really the only thing the university is important for. @GeogSage and The Blue Rider: are you okay with that swap? QuicoleJR (talk) 19:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That makes sense to me GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap for the team. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose outright removal support swap Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

@QuicoleJR I wasn't thinking of these in terms of College sports, but rather their academic contributions to the global community. American College football isn't significant from a global perspective anyway, so I don't really think University Football teams should be what makes them vital. I certainly don't think the Loughborough University is vital because of their significance to Cricket in England (an article that is not listed as vital I should note). I'd be in favor of purging all American college football/sports from the lists completely, they aren't really vital, dispite what some fandoms might think. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that college sports is not that internationally important, if we were to list one college based on its sports team, IMO it would be Alabama. College sports may not be popular overseas, but it is very popular in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Alabama is that big? I would have thought Notre Dame would have got the push back for that, but that's just because they are one of the few names I recognize in college sports. The more you know. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume some people might see things a bit differently, but I believe that the Crimson Tide is among the most vital collegiate football teams, if not the most. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove University of Florida

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
Sorry for missing that, I'll remember the format in the future. The reason for removal is at the top, and applies evenly to all of the Universities I proposed removing. Essentially, the haphazard inclusion of schools we have either requires us to include MANY more, or remove a lot of them. For example, looking at the List of research universities in the United States, we don't have all the R1s, but include California State University, which although large, consists of R2 schools. We have several schools listed that are neither R1 or R2. No school I've worked at or gone to is on the Vital list, but they are all R1 or R2 universities that could subjectively be included like most of the ones we do have. To avoid expanding the list to all R1 and R2 schools, I think trimming dramatically is easier. The University of Florida is big, but so are the flagship universities of many states that are not, and should not be (in my opinion), included on the list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove University of Georgia

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Missouri

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Texas A&M University

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Vanderbilt University

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Arizona

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of California, Berkeley

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This one is listed as a Level 4 Vital Article, so it cannot be removed here. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Remove University of California, Los Angeles

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Colorado Boulder

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
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Remove University of Oregon

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
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Remove University of Southern California

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
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Remove University of Washington

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of California, Davis

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Remove University of California, Irvine

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss
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Remove University of California, San Diego

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss
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Remove University of California, Santa Barbara

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove California State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not particularly influential academically and fairly recent. It is the largest public university system in the United States, but you would expect the largest state by population to also have the largest public university system. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per my MSU comment. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Claremont Colleges

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Remove State University of New York

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Does not seem particularly important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per my MSU comment. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of North Carolina

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GeogSage: Nominating this many articles at once has made it really hard to go through all of them. Why did you nominate so many at once? QuicoleJR (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is the section is quite bloated. These are the American Universities that I think we could trim, and the list is exclusive to American Universities. Going through and posting them one at a time could take months without addressing the problem of over a decade of bloat, and editors will come in and out over that time making it hard to actually maintain engagement (myself included, I would lose interest in this long before I'd get around to posting one University at a time). This seems like a good way to sort through many at once. At least that's my hope. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Linnean Society of London

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Per discussion above and comment @Makkool, add Linnean Society of London.

Support
  1. Historically important, and the oldest extant biological society in the world Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Adding this because there were two people who supported it, but I'm personally pretty neutral.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Animal rights

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These go way beyond an ethics debate or a social movement, as almost every country recognizes some form of animal rights. See, for example, Animal rights by country or territory.

Support
  1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Hanja

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The character set used to write the Korean language  4 before being replaced by Hangul  4. As a result, knowledge of hanja is necessary to understand historical Korean texts. Compare, for example, the need to understand Traditional Chinese characters  5 to read older Chinese texts.

As a character set that has been superseded, hanja is perhaps less important than other character sets derived from Chinese characters which remain in modern usage, such as Kanji  5 or Traditional Chinese characters  5. However, considering that Classical Chinese  4 is at level 4, the classical Korean character set should still be appropriate at this level.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Cyrillic alphabets  5 with Armenian alphabet

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Cyrillic alphabets is a List-type article about different variants of the Cyrillic script  3, which is a separate article we also list. Cyrillic alphabets is rated only Low-importance in Wikiproject Writing systems, while Armenian alphabet is rated High-importance. We already list Georgian scripts  5, so it would be fair to include the other major writing system of the Caucasus.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Erinius (talk) 14:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add The Book of Five Rings

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This book from the 1600s has persisted to relevance to this day. To quote the books lede "many translations have been made, and it has garnered broad attention in East Asia and throughout the world. For instance, some foreign business leaders find its discussion of conflict to be relevant to their work. The modern-day Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū employs it as a manual of technique and philosophy."

Support
  1. AS nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

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Add Geographia Generalis

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This book from the 1650s is still relevant today. Subsequent editions were edited by Isaac Newton, and to quote the lede, "This influential text laid the foundations for modern geographical science and was pivotal in the development of geography as a scientific discipline. Geographer Fred Lukermann described Geographia Generalis as the division between medieval geography from modern geography." Full disclosure, I am the one who originated this article, but I think it is quite important.

Support
  1. As Nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discus

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Veteran

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A person who has served in the military. Many veterans embody major historical conflicts and are a distinct social group tied to countries' identities.

Support
  1. As nominator. To politics and economics ----> War and military ----> Military forces. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm always suprised by the terms that aren't included already. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Update categorization by college conference of US universities

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Due to changes in college athletic conferences (2021–2026 NCAA conference realignment), some articles in Educational institutions -> Americas -> United States need to be moved to new headings. The Pac-12 section should be emptied, with the pages relocated to other headers as follows:

  • California Berkeley, Stanford -> ACC
  • Arizona, Colorado Boulder -> Big 12
  • UCLA, Oregon, Southern California, Washington -> Big Ten

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe the list would benefit updating the structure, I think you can just go ahead and do it. Unless they are big changes from the way it used to be, the issue doesn't need to opened for discussion. Only removing and adding articles needs to have 4 supporting votes on Level 5. Moving articles across sections and improving the headings can still be done boldly. Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kitchen utensil

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An important term and category of household items. We already list Cutlery  4, but this is a separate thing. Add under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Cooking_and_eating.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Hip hop (culture)

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PASSED
Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hugely popular and globally influential subculture. If we list Heavy metal subculture  5, so we should have this also. Add under subcultures in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Groups.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
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Add Right to education

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This "has been recognized as a human right in a number of international conventions," as well as most countries' constitutions.

Support
  1. As nom. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Ruins

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Important piece in architecture. Place in architecture.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important to Archaeology  3 and Tourism  3.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Well-being and Social skills

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Place both in psychology. They are both important topics.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Compound interest

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One of the two main types of Interest  4. Place under Banking and financing.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Handcuffs

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Place in Crime. A common restraint used by police.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Physical restraint

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Handcuffs are a type of restraint.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Isekai

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PASSED
Added 4–2. Makkool (talk) 09:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isekai is a popular genre in Japanese fiction which includes several anime/manga/light novels. Sword Art Online  5 is a common example of the genre.

Support
  1. As nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Regardless of how bloated the anime section is, this definitely deserves a spot. We can make room if we need to. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Quicole. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I agree that the emphasis on Japanese pop culture / anime topics is becoming a bit much, but I agree that this concept is widespread enough outside of Japan to warrant being here. λ NegativeMP1 21:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per The Blue Rider, we are starting to have too much emphasis on Japanese pop culture topics Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per The Blue Rider/Makkool Aurangzebra (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  • Just want to point out that anime, manga, and light novels are not the same thing and should be broken up. For example, while Sword Art Online has an anime, it was originally a light novel series and could be moved into such a section. The equivalent would be cartoons, comic books, and young adult novels. The confusion seems to happen when one is based on another, like when a cartoon is based on a comic book. The genre Isekai isn't exclusive to a particular medium, and has quite a few franchises (several hundred), which you can see in the Category:Isekai, and includes movies like Spirited Away  5, and light novel series like Overlord (novel series) and Sword Art Online  5. Overlord and Sword Art Online were later adapted into Anime, which leads to confusion. This proposal would be under Genre, like Tokusatsu  5.
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Add Japanese rock

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FAILED
Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 10:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We have J-pop  5 and K-pop  5, seem like we could include Japanese rock. This addresses concern above that recent Japanese additions are all related to their anime industry.

Support
  1. as nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We don't list a single Japanese rock group in VA5. Not sure what makes Japanese rock more iconic than any other country's rock. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We have J-pop  5, K-pop  5, Cantopop  5 and Latin pop  5 since they represent major linguistic/regional subsets of popular music, which isn't really comparable to a more specific genre such as rock music. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

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Remove Gödel, Escher, Bach  5

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At 220 articles, I feel that the non-fiction section is at about the right size, and I don't think there are any books that would obviously need to be cut. So it's now up to swap articles with others that have more criteria of vitality.

Gödel, Escher, Bach is a famous non-fiction science book, that won the Pulitzer and the National Book Award when it was published. It is a popular book, but it doesn't seem to have had a lasting influence or impact to society.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Man's Search for Meaning

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Paired with the remove proposal above. The article states that it's one of "the ten most influential books in the United States". The book's insights are often quoted by psychologists, and it established the branch of logotherapy.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Inferno (Dante), Purgatorio, and Paradiso (Dante)

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Divine Comedy is a V4. Surprised the parts that make up one of the most influential literary works are not listed.

Support
  1. as nom -1ctinus📝🗨 20:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems reasonable. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Some 20th century fiction removals

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Remove The Mysterious Affair at Styles  5

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The first novel in the Hercule Poirot series. It was Agatha Christie's first detective novel and it launched her writing career, but otherwise it doesn't seem that vital. It's enough that we list Murder on the Orient Express  5 and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Norwegian Wood (novel)  5

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I think it's enough to list The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle  5, two novels from Haruki Murakami could be too many.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This one is actually more well-known than The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle  5. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Foucault's Pendulum  5

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Likewise, I think The Name of the Rose  5 is enough, and we don't need two Umberto Eco novels.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Both of these were significantly influential. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Apology (act)

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Universal human act found in everyday life. Vital for communication.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨
  2. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 12:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Roland TR-808

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Extremely important drum machine influential in Hip hop and electronic music. From the article:

Though the 808 was unsuccessful, it was eventually used on more hit records than any other drum machine and became one of the most influential inventions in popular music

The 808 has been described as hip hop's equivalent to the Fender Stratocaster guitar, which dramatically influenced the development of rock music.

The 808 was used extensively in pop.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important, although I want to remind the nominator to provide a place that this would actually go if listed. @1ctinus: do you mind specifying? λ NegativeMP1 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    under Electronic instruments in the Arts section. :) -1ctinus📝🗨 23:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Instrumental, pun intended, to the history of modern music. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi

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Very popular and culturally important in India, a country of over a billion people. Indian television is horribly underrepresented, and this show would make a good addition. It received several awards, received very high ratings for several years, and seemingly had a major impact on Indian culture. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject India.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Capital market

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A capital market is a financial market in which long-term debt (over a year) or equity-backed securities are bought and sold, as opposed to a Money market  5. It is also an umbrella term which covers both the Stock market  5 and the Bond market  5. Place this under Financial market  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Concert tour

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Also known as simply just a "tour". Practically every artist or band goes on one at some point in their career, regardless of where they are from, with many going around the world (or at least half of it). Also, Concert  4 is V4, so I figure we have room for a subtopic.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Alternative civilian service

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Also known as just civilian service. An alternative to Conscription  4 in many countries with a national service. Add under War and military.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important topic. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Standard French

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PASSED
Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 12:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a vital topic, the concept of a Standard language  5 is only VA5, and Standard English is not listed. Only 5 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. I guess it would make more sense to list French of France instead (in contrast to British English  5) Makkool (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support listing that. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I prefer Makkool's proposal above but also support the original proposal. We already have Académie Française  5 which covers the primary reason why standard French would even be important anyways. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss
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Add Kirby (series)

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Not added 2-4. Makkool (talk) 13:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Per discussion above between @OhnoitsvileplumeXD and @QuicoleJR on the nomination for Animal Crossing, nominating the page for Kirby (series).

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not the most popular series in gaming history, but I think it is popular enough, and Kirby himself is iconic enough, that we could list it. I am admittedly a bit biased here though, as Kirby is my favorite video game series of all time. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Is this series really that influential or popular enough for V5? The only argument I'm seeing for why we should add it is that people like it. The nomination rationale here is also lacking any reasons as to why we should list it. Don't get me wrong, I like it too to some extent, but it's just not that influential I don't think. And games that are far more popular than this series were removed in the past. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per MP1, not particularly influential and not popular enough to outweigh the lack of influence. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Removed in the past, neither popular or influential IMO enough to be listed. Something like Ace Attorney or Prince of Persia (the latter of which invented the cinematic platformer subgenre and is an inspiration for Assassin's Creed  5 and Tomb Raider  5) I estimate to be more culturally/industrially influential despite selling less.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Angolan Portuguese

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Portuguese language  3 is VA3, and the only variant currently listed is the Brazilian one, which was just added. Portuguese is spoken by about 70% of the 37 million people in Angola, with nearly half speaking it as their first language.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Language variants

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Portuguese language  3, French language  3, Spanish language  3 and Greek language  3 are all level 3.

Add French of France

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To swap Standard French with.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add European Portuguese

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Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. Portugal isn't a very large country in terms of population, but this was the original version, so it can be included. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @1ctinus: Out of curiosity, why are you opposing this nomination? QuicoleJR (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know people will disagree, but Portugal is too small of a country to include. There are probably hundreds of variants of other languages with more speakers than European Portuguese… -1ctinus📝🗨 15:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Spanish language in the Americas

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Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. Mexican Spanish should also be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
  1. Interwikis are low; I was thinking Peninsular, Mexican, and Rioplatense should be subtopics for the Spanish language  3.
    Colombian Spanish would be important too for the high number of speakers and prestige status in South America. I would support all those as subtopics, but if they would take too many slots, Spanish language in the Americas. Latin American Spanish links there too. Makkool (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Modern Greek

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We list Ancient Greek  4, but not this.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Mexican Spanish

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For similar reasons as the recent addition of Brazilian Portuguese  5, Mexico is the largest Spanish-speaking country, with over 100 million people who speak Spanish as a first language.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Spanish language  3 does not currently have any subtopics. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Masterpiece

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Place in architecture. Surprised this is not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support listing, though I'm not sure architecture is the best place to list it. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Art not architecture-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion
  1. Is architecture really the best place for this? None of the examples in the article are architecture. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armed forces additions

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Add United States Marine Corps

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Famous and iconic branch of United States Armed Forces  5

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add French Armed Forces

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Largest military by size in the European Union.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Decently large, and tons of historical importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add French foreign legion

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A very famous branch of the French armed forces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Seems somewhat well-known, but we definitely don't need two articles for the French army. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Bundeswehr

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Germany's armed forces, the second largest military in the EU after France.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not particularly large, and little to no historical importance, since it was only created in the 1950s. "Second-largest military in the EU" is not a good enough reason to list it IMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Wand to Philosophy and Religion

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I'm a bit surprised this wasn't included. I believe this is a significant religious object to numerous groups throughout history and literature. The term has been used as the name for numerous tools and inventions (as can be seen on Wand (disambiguation)), including as a name for a missile defense system known now as David's Sling, and various software tools. I believe it warrants inclusion.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Also important in pop culture. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Cinema of New Zealand  5 and Music of the Netherlands

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We have too many "Arts by nation" articles, in my opinion. I would rather focus more on specific works, movements, or artists. Compared to others, these traditions are fairly small.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Music of the Netherlands per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removing music of NL. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Remove NL music, keep NZ cinema Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose Cinema of New Zealand. It's true that New Zealand is a small, but it has produced significant directors like Jane Campion and films like Once Were Warriors. Not to mention Peter Jackson and the LOTR trilogy, which resulted the NZ film industry being involved in other major movies since then. Makkool (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose removing cinema of New Zealand per Makkool.Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap NTV (Russia)  5 for TV Globo

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NTV is a Russian TV channel that seems major domestically but not really important internationally compared to the other Russian stations listed (such as Russia-1  5 or RT (TV network)  5. TV Globo is one of the world's largest TV networks and has long been highly influential on Brazilian society.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Film removals

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Specific films are going over the 200 articles mark, so I have some proposals for removal there.

Remove Olympia (1938 film)  5

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It's enough to list Triumph of the Will.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Leni Riefenstahl  4 is VA4 Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems to have been quite influential, and I don't think we have too many movies, if anything we need a few more. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Harry Potter (film series)  5

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It's enough to list the book series. The HP movies were commercially successful, but I don't think they have other reasons for vital article status.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not really a fan of Harry Potter, but I think the films were quite significant. The movies imagery inspired much of what you see at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, and it has had some impact on how kids view the genre. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Really big separately from the book series Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. And I don't think we have too many movies, if anything we need a few more. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Planet of the Apes (1968 film)  5

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Repurposing this as a swap proposal. Makkool (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unlike many other sci-fi movies we list, it's not considered one of the greatest films of all time.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Could support a swap with the franchise, oppose simple removal. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Battle Royale (film)  5

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Not as legendary as the other Japanese cinema we list. More a cult classic than example of a vital film.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems to have played a major role in creating the battle royale genre, which includes works like The Hunger Games (novel)  5 and Fortnite  5. That seems major enough to make the film be worth listing. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Quicole. And I don't think we have too many movies, if anything we need a few more. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Thief of Bagdad (1924 film)  5

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Only 29 interwikis. Has legacy as an important silent film, but it doesn't seem to be as vital than other adventure films we list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Highly influential on early fantasy/adventure films Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Iost. And I don't think we have too many movies, if anything we need a few more. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Britannica says it had "types of special effects and production design never previously seen by audiences", and I remember it being covered in an episode from a documentary series about film history which I'll check before making my mind.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed more film additions specifically because there was only 200, which was small in comparison to video games which had around 100 (now closer to 90), which is a much higher amount in comparison to the shorter amount of time video games have been around (c. the 1890s vs c. the 1970s), and the fact that the threshold for inclusion seemed to be arbitarily much higher for films. In any case, there isn't a subquota of 200 for films so that's moot. Iostn (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you about numbers of vital videogames vs. movies, and the disproportion between them. We are over-quota in the Arts section, and realisticially I don't see how we can be increasing the amount of articles (films or other) unless we increase that quota by taking from somewhere else. Hence, these cuts to the movies. The consensus, which I agree with, seems to be that there aren't more videogames to cut left, but films we haven't seen similar evaluating yet. Makkool (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did make some Arts cut proposals in response to some comments when I first made the film addition proposals, but in terms of quota they've since been made moot by other additions to different subsections of the list. I could try looking for some other possible cuts, but I agree it may be necessary to increase quota in light of other addition proposals. Iostn (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevinishere15: I'll write a response in the general talk page, where I'll adress having more movies. Makkool (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove V for Vendetta  5

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Not removed or swapped 3-2. Makkool (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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While I love this book I have to acknowledge that it hasn't been all that culturally significant. Additionally I find it hard to justify two Alan Moore  5 books at VA5 without Moore himself being at VA4. Comparing Watchmen and V for Vendetta it's clear which is more significant. Watchmen has 10,000 more monhtly page views (57,000~) and had a huge impact on the comic industry.

Support
  1. As nom (though I secretly hope this fails) Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap for the movie, oppose simple removal per Laukku. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap with film 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 03:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Major graphic novel, I don't think the comics section is in any pressing need of cutting down. We need either this or the film adaptation, which is more directly responsible for being an inspiration for Anonymous (hacker group)  5 (and IIRC was proposed for addition in the past). See also Guy Fawkes mask.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    this is an instance where I feel the film may be more vital. I'd support swapping in the movie.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's definitely more vital than the movie Makkool (talk) 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Customer

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We already have Customer service listed. We might as well list this one as well.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Patronage

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Surprised this was not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Procurement

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We do this every day in society.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Purchasing

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We do this every day.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Payment

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We use forms of payments every day.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Cathay Pacific  5, Aeroflot  5, and AirAsia  5

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Airlines are very visible because of their pricing system and customer services, but they are only one element of air travel, and it's probably excessive for them to make up almost 10 % of all vital companies. These are some of the lesser ones in terms of passenger volumes, innovation, and historical significance.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Narcotics Anonymous

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 13:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Less visible and much smaller than Alcoholics Anonymous  5. There is also a perception that these organizations' 12-step program is somewhat controversial and outdated to more personalized and evidence-based treatments.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. AA is vital IMO, this isn't. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Vendor

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We see these in stores all the time.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Distribution (marketing)

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Concepts in marketing that are not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Influencer

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After 9 months of discussion, Influencer has been split from Internet celebrity  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As Nom. I think this is more important than internet celebrity. Since Celebrity  5 is only a VA5, maybe we should swap this in for Internet celebrity.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support a swap. I was the original nominator for Internet celebrity  5 and in my proposal, I mentioned how I would prefer adding 'influencer' but since they were merged for the time being, I was fine with Internet celebrity. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support a swap rather than straight-up add, per above. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Yuppie  5

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Don't see the vitality in this. Demographic term that was a fad for a while but isn't really used very often nowadays.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Gaming convention and Video game collecting

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We have previously talked about sysbias towards video games, and these kinds of auxiliary articles may be more exemplifying than individual titles at this point. I also wonder if "collecting" can frame the purchasing of games as a purposeful, curated activity when it could just be consumerism.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Technically, a gaming convention is far more than just a "video game convention" (I'm pretty more they're more prevalent for games like Dungeons & Dragons  5). But with that being sad, I don't think they are widespread enough for vitality. And I don't know if video game collecting is widespread enough of a concept, either. Also, regarding the sysbias towards video games, I feel like after the removals earlier this year we're running out of video game subjects that make sense to remove. λ NegativeMP1 05:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Sneaker collecting and Comic book collecting

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Similar to the above. We list nine types of collecting. Comic book  5 is only VA5, and probably not that many people engage in these.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Way too niche, sneaker collecting especially. λ NegativeMP1 05:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Why are specific collections in here at all? Stamp collecting  5 and all the others can go with these. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Sneakers. Oppose comics due to the mess comic collecting caused to the comic industry. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. The only collection subtopics we really need are Autograph  5 and Trading card  5, and maybe one more. These two don't make the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. I would honestly remove all subtopics of collecting per GeogSage. Stamp collecting  5 is covered by Philately  5 any way. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Sex robot

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Removed 6-0 per WP:AVALANCHE. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Although elaborately instrumented sex dolls have been created by a number of inventors, no fully animated sex robots yet exist".

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not sure why this was added in the first place. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. No words need to be added on why this shouldn't be included. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Why is this listed? QuicoleJR (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Remove remove remove GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Quidditch (real-life sport)  5

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As a fan of the series, I've barely heard of this sport and have no connection to anyone who's ever played it. It's not even called quidditch anymore.

Support
  1. As nom. I thought about this after the proposals to remove the Harry Potter movie series and Daniel Radcliffe. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. How did this get added? Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Private good

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It seems that Public good (economics)  5 is about to pass. This seems to be a more precise term than Personal property  5. In fact, I would choose this over personal property if only one could be listed.

Support
  1. As nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pantyhose

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Important topic, surprised it isn't listed. 47 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Fashion.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. They appear to be in decline. Sahaib (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Vert skateboarding  5 and Vert skating  5

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I think people concur that Skateboarding  4 and Roller skating  4 use vert ramps, so I am not convinced we need dedicated articles for both of them. Note that the more general term for these structures are Half-pipes.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Gigolo  5

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Repetitive to Male prostitution  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss


Remove AMA Supercross Championship  5

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Motorcycle racing  5 is only VA5, so having two named events could be a bit much. The other one is the Grand Prix motorcycle racing  5. This one lost its status as a world championship for supercross, which is in itself a variant of Motocross  5, in 2021.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinishere15 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Suncorp Super Netball  5

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5 of the 54 Sports leagues we list are based in Oceania. This was founded in 2016 and has eight teams.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Zero interwikis. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Why was this on the list? QuicoleJR (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Sport stacking  5

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Could be biased because I have never heard of it, but the article does not assert vitality.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap Entomophagy  5 with Insects as food

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We list Entomophagy in the Cooking, food and drink section, but Insects as food would make more sense there. We could also keep the current article and move it somewhere else.

Support swap
  1. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support move
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Discuss

Add Standard Chinese

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The written form of the language.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We list many variants of Chinese already; and Standard French is up for removal above, but I would still support as Standard Chinese has an influential position in global politics and business. Also, we list Modern Standard Arabic  5, which is a similar world language. Makkool (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Consumerism

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This is a topic that should have been L4 already.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arrow (TV series)

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With the recent cuts to TV shows I feel one may be added. No other American super hero shows besides The Powerpuff Girls and Batman (TV series)  5. Arrow was fairly popular during its 8 season run. Spawned 3 spin offs and a television franchise that ran from 2012 through a few days ago (or 2023 depending on how you wish to count it). 49 interwikis and 54k~ page views.

Support
  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. On the topic of American super hero shows, I want to add that I think The Boys (TV series) could be worthy of vitality in a few years depending on how the fifth season is received. λ NegativeMP1 07:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Can't see this as one of the most vital TV shows of all time. It should be massively popular, not just fairly popular to be included IMHO. Maybe I could weakly support Arrowverse, but not this on its own. Makkool (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Like Makkool above I might support adding the Arrowverse as a whole but not one of the specific shows. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I oppose Arrowverse, so I oppose this as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Rogue (video game)  5

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People have talked about removing this in the past, but nobody has proposed it yet. Of all of the currently-listed games, this would be the easiest to remove. It has pretty much zero importance outside of popularizing the Roguelike  5 genre, which we already list separately. The genre is certainly vital, but we don't need to list this game as well.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose simple removal; the genre is big enough at this point (There's even a roguelite Prince of Persia now!) that I think we need an example of it.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

As a possible replacement, NetHack is another ancient roguelike pillar, estimated as the second-most-influential in this page (section "Which games have influenced other games, exactly?"). It doesn't have as much pure name recognition but is more widely actually played; I can't be bothered to find sources right now for all of these but IIRC it's been cited as a direct influence for Dwarf Fortress, Spelunky and Minecraft  5 [1]. Plus its exceptional complexity has gotten attention as a challenge for machine learning agents[2][3].10:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I would say Rogue is more notable as the forefather of the genre, and I don't feel strongly to swap it with another roguelike. I think like QuicoleJR that the genre is best covered by just the roguelike article. Makkool (talk) 16:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Indian Armed Forces and Israel Defense Forces

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The Indian Armed Forces are the second-largest military in the world, with the largest reserve force. They are also one of the strongest militaries in the world and have participated in several major conflicts in recent history.

The Israel Defense Forces may not be one of the largest or strongest militaries in the world, but it is vital for being one of the most active, and for having a massive impact across the Middle East. The IDF has participated in many wars against nearby Islamic countries, especially Lebanon and Palestine, since the 1940s, and caused massive damage to occupied territories on several occasions.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support both Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Mixed
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Fantasy fandom  5

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We list many subtopics for Fandom  5, which is only level 5. Fantasy fandom is the easiest cut, because it isn't so independent separate from the sci-fi fandom. Many sci-fi conventions cater to both sci-fi and fantasy fans, and many sci-fi awards are handed to both fantasy and sci-fi genres, the Hugos most famously. Fantasy fandom also has the least daily pageviews and interwikis (just 3 languages).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Planet of the Apes (1968 film)  5 with Planet of the Apes

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Plain removal didn't look like it could get anywhere, so I'll propose a swap with the media franchise instead.

Planet of the Apes -frachise has had enduring popularity for 56 years. It covers 10 theatrical films, two 1970's TV shows and the original Pierre Boulle novel of course. The first instalment on its own doesn't seem to fit the vital movie status. Unlike many other sci-fi movies in the list, it's not considered one of the greatest films of all time.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Not considered the greatest of all time but I think the fact it did spawn such a successful franchise indicates how iconic the film was (in a similar manner to how we list Alien (film)  5 and not Alien (franchise)). The twist ending is also considered to be both one of the greatest twists and also one of the greatest endings of all time. It has been imitated into oblivion by other films at this point but when it first came out, it was groundbreaking. The movie is also very popular in the cultural zeitgeist with many quotes that people will instantly recognize (one of them, "Get your paws off me, you damned dirty ape," is on the AFI 100 years... 100 quotes list). Aurangzebra (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  1. If we really must get rid of a science fiction movie, my vote would be for Pan's Labyrinth  5. More beloved by critics, yes. But is it still particularly relevant even just ~20 years later? Not really. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Pan's Labyrinth is important certainly to reduce Hollywood and English-language bias. I didn't choose this as a sci-fi movie specifically. I carefully looked at the whole list to find articles with some justification for cutting. Not many came up, the list is pretty strong as it is. Makkool (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Graduation and Diploma

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These are as important as Academic degree  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, they are vital education topics still missing Makkool (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Master of Puppets

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This album was suggested for addition earlier this year by a now blocked user, as part of a proposal to remove Metallica (album)  5 (though compensate for the removal by adding Enter Sandman). But that proposal barely gained any traction, nine months have passed since then, and I think a more detailed rationale for why Master of Puppets should be listed could be given, and I don't think a swap is necessary. Basically, I think both Master of Puppets and the Black Album belong at this level, and I don't think Enter Sandman itself covers the Black Album enough. Yes, this is definitely a stretch since Metallica  5 itself is only V5 (though I would support moving them to V4), so two entire albums from them is absolutely pushing it, but I will explain why I think both should be listed.

I believe Master of Puppets and the Black Album are influential for completely different reasons to where I think putting the two against each other is illogical. The Black Album is important for being a cultural landmark of sorts that made metal more accessible, and there are several popular songs from that album to where I simply do not think the proposed idea of only listing Enter Sandman makes any sense. Meanwhile, Master of Puppets is influential for being the most critically acclaimed album in that genre, or at least second to Paranoid (album)  5. It is widely considered one of the greatest albums of all time as well, and in lists where it and the Black Album are both included, it always ranks above it. And the article for Master of Puppets makes its influence even more clear: "Master of Puppets became thrash metal's first platinum album and by the early 1990s thrash metal successfully challenged and redefined the mainstream of heavy metal.", "Master of Puppets is widely accepted as the genre's most accomplished album, and paved the way for subsequent development", and " In 2015, Master of Puppets became the first metal recording to be selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."".

As I stated above, I think the areas of importance that these two albums cover (the Black Album's influence in pop culture, and Master of Puppets' genre importance) are different enough to warrant listing both. But I would definitely understand if anyone did not want two albums from this band, but in the event of a worst-case scenario, I think the influence of Master of Puppets is objectively larger than the Black Album.

Support
  1. λ NegativeMP1 22:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In top 3 most vital metal albums for sure Makkool (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add important offices

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Add Police station

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Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 02:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Fire station

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Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 02:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Post office

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Nominated somewhere else already. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. @TonyTheTiger: this has already been nominated above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposal: Reorganize video games to be based on genres, not region

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I don't think that organizing the video games section by country/region of origin makes any sense. Practically every other section for media like this (music, films, books, etc.) is sorted by genre, not whichever region/country it originated from. In fact, I'd go on record to say that video games make the least sense out of any other type of media to sort by country of origin because most important video games originate from either the United States or Japan (save for a few outliers like Minecraft  5 or Grand Theft Auto  5), unlike other listings that are generally more diverse. And this doesn't seem like some weird quirk involving video games being listed under Everyday life rather than Arts (like other media), since even board games and (somewhat) sports are sorted by a defining characteristic that is comparable to a "genre".

So with all of that being said, I propose that we reshuffle the video games section to be based on that games genre (or primary genre, at least) rather than its country of origin. In addition to all of my concerns above, I also believe that doing this would make navigation far easier. I also think this could maybe help with cleanup efforts, since this might allow us to figure out easier what genres are over-represented or under-represented. I would be boldly doing this myself, but I kinda figured that this would probably require a consensus since it's reorganizing an entire section.

Support
  1. As the proposal creator. Do note that, if this does pass, I will reorganize the section myself and not require that someone else do it. λ NegativeMP1 03:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Might move more firmly into support or oppose later, but I'm neutral for now. Both versions have their reasons for being the one we go with. @NegativeMP1: Could you please make a draft of what the section would look like if this change passed? I would find that very helpful in deciding whether I support the change or not. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Will do, give me a little bit. λ NegativeMP1 17:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @NegativeMP1: How's it going? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I completely forgot all about it, to be honest. The diversity in video game genres makes it kinda hard for me to figure out what game should go where, though I still think in the long-term, sorting by genres is better than country of origin. I'd like to see your arguments for why you think listing by country of origin is better, though. λ NegativeMP1 19:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Like I said earlier, I don't feel strongly towards either. You already described the benefits of sorting by genre, so here are the arguments for sorting by country:
    • There is precedent. This isn't a very strong argument, but you mention above that every other medium sorts by genre, so I figured that I would mention for context that TV shows also sorts by country of origin.
    • It is more compact. Sorting by country keeps everything in a few large categories, while the genre proposal will lead to the creation of a bunch of smaller categories.
    • It is easier. This is the main benefit. You yourself mention above that the diversity in genres makes it hard to decide which game goes where, and it will only get more confusing if we add multi-genre games. It also could be hard to decide what counts as a genre. Closing addition proposals is hard enough, we don't need to make it harder.
    I'm still undecided as to whether I would rather sort by genre or by country, but these are the benefits of sorting by country. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. I guess I didn't notice the TV shows one, but if anything that also makes TV show organization an oddity. I'll still see if there's a way to sort by genre without making too many smaller sub-categories. If I can't, then I might withdraw this and leave this section as is. λ NegativeMP1 20:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Proposal: Restructure books of the Bible

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Currently we list every book of the Bible in the Religion section. The religion and philosophy page is 36 articles over-quota, and I think it would be possible to cut some back there. I think they were included in the process of filling the available space, but now when new additions have been coming in, there might be no longer room for the whole set.

I think this would make sense, because we can replace individual Bible books with other articles about the Bible that cover a larger whole and the same books, like Pauline letters. We shouldn't cut all individual books, some of them are definitely worth keeping in the Vital Articles, likewise other Bible articles like Sermon on the Mount.

Here is a draft of what I would thinking the Bible section could look like after bringing it down 36 articles:

  1. Biblical canon
  2. Old Testament (Level 4)
    1. Book of Genesis
      1. Genesis creation narrative
    2. Book of Exodus
      1. The Exodus
    3. Book of Leviticus
    4. Historical books
    5. Poetic Books
      1. Book of Job
      2. Psalms
      3. Book of Proverbs
    6. Prophetic books
      1. Book of Isaiah
      2. Book of Daniel
    7. Deuterocanonical books
    8. Biblical apocrypha
  3. New Testament (Level 4)
    1. Four Evangelists
      1. Gospel of Matthew
        1. Sermon on the Mount
      2. Gospel of Mark
      3. Gospel of Luke
        1. Parable of the Good Samaritan
      4. Gospel of John
    2. Luke–Acts
      1. Acts of the Apostles
    3. Pauline epistles
      1. Epistle to the Romans
      2. First Epistle to the Corinthians
    4. Catholic epistles
    5. Book of Revelation
    6. New Testament apocrypha

For transparency, here are the articles that would be removed in the above proposal: Book of Numbers, Book of Deuteronomy, Book of Joshua, Book of Judges, Book of Ruth, Books of Samuel, Books of Kings, Books of Chronicles, Book of Ezra, Book of Nehemiah, Book of Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Book of Jeremiah, Book of Lamentations, Book of Ezekiel, Twelve Minor Prophets, Book of Tobit, Book of Judith, Book of Baruch, Book of Sirach, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom; Second Epistle to the Corinthians, Epistle to the Galatians, Epistle to the Ephesians, Epistle to the Philippians, Epistle to the Colossians, First Epistle to the Thessalonians, Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, First Epistle to Timothy, Second Epistle to Timothy, Epistle to Titus, Epistle to Philemon, Epistle to the Hebrews, Epistle of James, First Epistle of Peter, Second Epistle of Peter, First Epistle of John, Second Epistle of John, Third Epistle of John, Epistle of Jude

And here are the articles that would be added: Historical books, Poetic Books, Prophetic books, Four Evangelists, Luke–Acts, Pauline epistles, Catholic epistles. They are taken from the Old Testament and New Testament link templates here in Wikipedia, so they are not my own idea. For full disclosure, I'm not a theologian or expert, but my knowledge is from personal study and interest.

Support
  1. As nominator Makkool (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree the bible books need cuts I feel this is way too many for a single bulk removal. Maybe split the removal in half or in thirds? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Arrowverse

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Suggested on my Arrow proposal some of the arguments were copied over With the recent cuts to TV shows I feel one may be added. No other American super hero shows besides The Powerpuff Girls and Batman (TV series)  5. Arrowverse was a series of 6 (or 9) shows that ran from 2012 through a few days ago (or 2023 depending on how you wish to count it). The six core shows had around 37 seasons of television. Only 27 interwikis though the individual shows have significantly more and 45k~ page views. To Long-running, ended

Support
  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, comparable to Marvel Cinematic Universe  5 but instead for television. Could be seen as vital for its uniqueness as a group of linked TV shows. Neutral over if we need to have more superhero shows just for the sake of it. Makkool (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, a collection of shows that aren't quite vital on their own, definitely a case of the whole being more important than the parts. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose, I don't think this show will be "vital" in another 10 or 20 years, so this is recency bias. It isn't particuarlly impactful, just another superhero soap opera.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Surveillance

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What Closed-circuit television  5 cameras do.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 18:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Some education topics

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Add Lesson

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How education is structured concretely. Rated Top-importance in Wikiproject Education, 38 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Educational technology

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An important aspect of teaching, especially in today's classrooms. Rated High-importance, 42 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Stamp collecting  5 and Coin collecting  5

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Per your suggestions above. I think these are adequately covered by Philately  5 and Numismatics  5, respectively.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not vital topics. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Agreed. We don't need to include the act of collecting things in our collection of vital articles. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Overlap is good in V5. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @1ctinus: Is stamp collecting really one of the 50,000 most vital topics on Wikipedia? I doubt it. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Today Tonight  5 and Sunrise (Australian TV program)  5

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Australian TV shows that don't assert much vitality.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Bukkake  5

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It may seem unfair to nominate this, but this appears to be more of an obscure porn genre than a sexual activity people engage in (it's listed under sex positions).

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Amtrak  5

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I love transit as much as anyone, but this one doesn't come to my mind when I think of vital American companies. Despite some renovation attempts, its 22.9 million passengers in 2022 are way below the 400-500 million figures the other rail companies we list, and that's in the low end.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose.
  1. Oppose. This is essential to the history of American rail as an industry. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Franz Mayer Museum  5 and Museo de Arte Moderno  5

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We list eight museums in Mexico City, more than we list for any country other than the UK or the US. As someone who's visited both more than once, I wouldn't consider them among the 100 or so most vital museums.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. They don't seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Paul Atreides

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Paul has appeared in 6 books, 3 movies (+1 upcoming movie), 2 miniseries and other media such as video games. He would most likely go in the book section, he has more languages links than Prince Hamlet, Elizabeth Bennet, Captain Ahab, Astro Boy (character), Zatoichi, Iago, Uncle Tom, Ultraman (character), Grinch.

Before fully making my opinion, I'd like to first point out that a) this nom should be moved to the Society section, because this is a fictional character, and b) I'd prioritise adding characters like Circe who have a much longer history of cultural influence.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 23:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Sahaib (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not sure if they're very culturally influential or significant. Dune isn't that big of a global franchise in comparison to some of the others we list that have characters listed. λ NegativeMP1 21:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm seeing more a case for REMOVING characters from a single work (esp. If the work is itself VA5) than adding Paul pbp 17:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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