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Add Imperial examination  5

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For centuries, the imperial examination system profoundly influenced Imperial China's society, determining social status and governance. It provided a path for social advancement based on merit. It legitimized the ruling dynasty, ensured political stability, and reinforced cultural norms through its emphasis on Confucian ideology. However, it perpetuated gender inequality by excluding women. And was apperently important for Chinese mythology (see Imperial examination in Chinese mythology). All the elite of Imperial China was a jinshi, the highest degree of the exam. In essence, the imperial examination system shaped Chinese society, governance, and culture, leaving a lasting impact on its civilization. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
4. This feels VA5-worthy based on vibes. I consider this to be more of a History topic however. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
6. I also feel like this should be a History VA. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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• @Feminist: You seem to take an interest on East Asia as well, so I would appreciate your input, be it positive or negative! Thank you. The Blue Rider 14:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

  Well, I very much disliked the subject of History of China  4 at school. Where would you put it on the list? It feels more like a history topic to me. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, such an interesting history, for me at least. What are your countries/regions of interest then? I would put it in the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture's Education section. The Blue Rider 15:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Knowledge management  5

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Place under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. The Blue Rider 21:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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I must go punch that baby

Add Juvenile delinquency  5

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Society reacts differently to people committing crimes when they are underage. It's an important area in Criminology  4 with influences from the family environment and peers, and differences in how they are tried (e.g. Juvenile court) and punished (e.g. juvenile homes rather than prisons) to reflect their different level of cognitive development.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Age of criminal responsibility  5

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The age one must be in order to be capable of committing an offence. If one is too young, one is presumed to not be able to tell whether something should be wrong or not. An important concept comparable to, say, Age of consent  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Age of majority  5 and Minor (law)  5

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At what age do you become an adult? Different societies think differently on this, but it's usually somewhere between 18 and 21. An important concept which relates to whether you can drink, consent to sexual activity, and be liable for criminal acts (see nomination above).

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Strike (attack)  5

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Striking is the primary way Hand-to-hand combat  5 (nominated above) is conducted, but it should be listed separately because variations of strikes are also employed in Martial arts  3 and combat sports.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Punch (combat)  5

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A strike (nominated above) conducted with the fist. It is used in most martial arts and combat sports, and is the only type of offensive technique allowed in Boxing  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Kick  5

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A strike (nominated above) using the leg. Used in many forms of martial arts, as well as in self-defense applications.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. Very surprised this and punch weren't listed already. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Swap: Add The Rose of Versailles, remove Cardcaptor Sakura

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The former is decades older and has better claims of vitality, and they have sold a similar amount. Cardcaptor Sakura feels a somewhat questionable inclusion to me, seeming not quite popular/acclaimed/influential/famous enough to be preferred over something like Berserk (manga) or even Monster (manga) (which are scored into the top 10 of various manga sites by their users).

(I initially thought about replacing Cardcaptor with Berserk but eventually decided on a shoujo-shoujo swap, and I'm wondering a bit whether some of Berserk's vitality claims might be too inspired by the 2021 death of its author.)

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal of Cardcaptor Sakura. I agree that it's a questionable inclusion, per nom. But I would think that Princess Knight would be a better replacement, if we would want to list another shoujo manga instead. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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No votes in a long time. If this proposal goes nowhere I may propose a swap with Berserk (manga) instead.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Add Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5

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We recently listed Namco  5 and Sega  5 as vital articles, and while those listings are definitely warranted, that places video games as having equal representation in Film, television, video game, and music production as film which are far more widespread and long-lasting than video games. To compensate, I propose the addition of the two American Major film studios that aren't already listed: Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Support both as the guy who tried nominating Paramount Pictures.SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
7. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Putting a note here I just now noticed the earlier nomination for Paramount Pictures to get added. Not going to change this since its got more than Paramount Pictures, though. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Closed and archived that. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Clavier-Übung III

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We got a lot of Bach on here. I think we can get rid of one or two works Like this one, which only has two interwikis.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 04:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. Not entirely related to the nomination, but why do we use "X should be removed because it only has Y interwikis!" as a removal rationale? I see the reason why we use it, since it theoretically suggests a lack of worldwide influence, but it also seems to have some overlap with the fact that, if I recall correctly, redlinks as vital articles is technically allowed. That rules existence seems to directly contradict these types of rationales by implying a subject can be important regardless of whether or not a Wikipedia has it. λ NegativeMP1 02:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

   I think that rule should probably be removed. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Stayin' Alive

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I get that we already have Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5, but this is easily the first disco song most people will name.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap with Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5. The song is far more vital than the soundtrack album. Makkool (talk) 08:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

   I have to disagree with the idea of swapping this out with the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. The soundtrack is one of the best-selling albums of all time (we're talking an estimate of 40 million units worldwide), and both it and the film are responsible for bringing disco to the mainstream. SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

   We also list Saturday Night Fever  5 the movie. And three articles for any cultural work is too much in my opinion. I still think the soundtrack album is the least vital for these three. Makkool (talk) 11:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

3. Support add, no opinion on swapping. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Support add, oppose swap per reasons above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove WKRP in Cincinnati

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We have a lot of American TV shows, but it was extremely difficult to find one to remove. I ended up settling on this one. It only won two awards, had little influence on pop culture, and it only has seven interwikis. It seems to only be on the list due to high ratings received during its original run. This spot would be much better used by a show like Stargate, which is much more popular and influential, or a show like Soul Train which had a lasting impact on something.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

   Note: I would be fine with a swap with Soul Train here, and I nominated Stargate below. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

2. Support per nom. Would support a swap with Soul Train too. Makkool (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with Soul Train. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Social studies

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Widely taught in schools. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
2. How did we forget this! Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Bad (album)  5

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It feels bizarre that we list at least six albums from The Beatles  3, but only one from Michael Jackson  3. He is the most important pop artist of all time, like how the Beatles is the most important rock band of all time, and so the two should be a bit more equal (especially since they're both V3). Also, pop could use a bit more representation in comparison to rock. So I'm nominating Bad, Jackson's second most popular and important album, to level it out a little bit more. Sure, its not as important as Thriller (album)  4, but this V5 and not V4 and I'd argue it's more important than listing Billie Jean  5 as an individual song, and its still influential.

On a side note, surely we could reduce albums from the Beatles to 3 or 4 to prevent over-representation right? Right now they're the modern artist/band with the most listed albums. Something separate to discuss.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Also in favor of Off the Wall and "I Want You Back".SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Also support Off the Wall. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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1. Bad was popular, but "Off the Wall" was more influential. "writers have hailed it [Off the Wall] a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history" Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

   I'll make a separate nomination for Off the Wall another date then, I feel like we can have both. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Papers, Please

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We currently have no listed examples of an Indie game  5 (not counting the recent proposal of adding Stardew Valley) or one of Video games as an art form. Papers, Please is a game that ticks both boxes. And if this helps, it is considered one the best video games ever made and is one of the more successful indie games in terms of sales numbers (5 million units, compared to the recently removed Undertale's 1 million). Sure, it's not as well known as some other indie games and could be considered too recent, but influence ≠ popularity here and I think its proven itself worthy of being included for the sake of representation.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 01:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Weak support; one could count Minecraft as an indie game (and the most important one at that) prior to Microsoft's acquisition. Needless to say, there's room for 2-3 indie games at V5, and I would prefer this over Stardew Valley. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Support adding to represent video games as art Makkool (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. 49p (talk) 18:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Popular, but more broadly, still too niche. Also not really convinced of its broader influence. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. If we need to list an example of an indie game, shouldn't it be something more heavily influential like Undertale, Terraria or Touhou Project? 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

   First of all, this nomination is also based on representation of video games as an art form and not exclusively indie representation. I think we have room for one or two more indie games besides this one. Second of all, Undertale was removed in the past by an overwhelming consensus of 8-1, Terraria just sold a lot of units (though I wouldn't be opposed to it necessarily since it's the best selling indie game), and Touhou Projects main games in the series have only sold double digit units with little global impact and a cult community. A game that would actually be worthy of addition based on "influence" would be a game like Hotline Miami or Braid (video game), the former of which I may nominate some day. λ NegativeMP1 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

   I think Stardew Valley should be listed. I'm considering renominating it in the near future without the horrible swap choice I made. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

3. I don't think we need special consideration to "Indie" games at all. An influential video game will stand out regardless of the developer. Stardew Valley for example is a very popular game that happens to have an indie developer. What makes it vital is its popularity, not who made it.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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BioShock  5 seems to be considered a example of games as an art form? Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Papers, Please used to be listed but was a casualty when the specific games list was purged down from 135+ entries. It was an imperfect (but still mostly good) process, some entries may be worth re-adding. Currently undecided on this one.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Baby Shark

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One of the most well-known songs of all time, with over 14 billion views on YouTube. This song has had a large influence on popular culture, and nearly everybody has heard of it.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
2. It might be a bit reccent, but this is the most viewed YouTube video of all time, by a significant margin (over 6 billion views!). It would also basically represent the "new age" of childrens music that has only become more prominent with each passing year. Hell, it would represent childrens music in general on this list, since I believe the only childrens song we list at present is Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star  5. λ NegativeMP1 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support due to its cultural impact and popularity, but only if at least one of Old MacDonald or The Wheels on the Bus are added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Unconditional support, a song we didn't grow up with isn't automatically less important than the ones we had decades ago. Media based on Baby Shark is currently redefining the whole early childhood entertainment industry and spawning a Korean megacharacter. There are certainly English-language nursery rhymes that should be listed as well, and Wikipedia as a whole is doing an unusually poor job with representing children's entertainment (that is a red link at the time of writing). 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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1. I'd add "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" rather than this. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

   @Makkool: I would support adding that song if you proposed it. Is there any reason you are opposed to adding Baby Shark? It is very well-known. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

   Mostly because we don't really have the space for it. We are over-quota in the Arts section. To me, "Baby Shark"'s popularity seems like a fad. Besides, it seems to be only well-known in the English speaking world. Don't know if it's sung in daycare centers and schools in other parts of the world. At least, the article doesn't mention any versions in other languages. Makkool (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

   I have proposed a removal from the same section below, just so you know. Does that help change your opinion? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

2. Too recent to evaluate its long-term impact. The Blue Rider 14:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per @The Blue Rider:.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Off the Wall  5

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Per my earlier nomination of adding Bad (album)  5, for as impactful and important Michael Jackson  3 was to pop music, he should have more listed works than Thriller (album)  4 and one song from it (Billie Jean  5) since he has had way more influence beyond that album. Per the article for Off the Wall, "In retrospect, writers have hailed it a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history." Add this one and Bad, and Michael Jackson and his works should be adequately covered here.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
3. This rather than Bad Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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1. Arts is already over-quota, and I would definitely list Bad over this Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Single (music)  5

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Important part of modern music, we list several. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Wow, this concept isn't vital already? λ NegativeMP1 21:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Another overlooked one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Raincoat  5

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Common type of clothing we don't list.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Another easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove United States trust law

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This section is nearly 50 articles over the quota, and with that in mind, I don't see why this should be listed. No other articles on the trust laws of specific countries, such as British or Italian trust law, are listed, and I don't see a reason to single out the American equivalent other than it being American. The article has zero interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Trampoline  5

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Popular recreational activity. Maybe physcial exercise is the best place for it

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
2. This hasn't been added yet? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Everyone knows what this is. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Marlboro  5

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The most common brand of cigarettes, and a well-recognized brand across the world. 43 interwikis, top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

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1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom., we lack many vital everyday brands Makkool (talk) 21:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Easy support; we could also add Camel (cigarette) or a women's cigarrette like Virginia Slims. The Blue Rider 00:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

   I was thinking maybe adding Camel as well (especially because it's also top-importance in WikiProject Brands), but I feel like it hasn't been as popular since the 1970s and 1980s (besides the introduction of Joe Camel, obviously). It's still popular and a viable candidate though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 00:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Systems management

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Can be under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics, can be under Technology

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Remove New York Public Library  5 and Boston Public Library

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I don't think we need any libraries that are not national libraries at this level. I think Library of Congress is sufficient for US libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Support NYPL

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Support BPL

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Only the fifth largest library in the US. Possible swap for Shanghai Library? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Quite surprised this was listed tbh. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose NYPL

1. Strong oppose. We should have two American libraries, and it is the world’s fourth largest at 55 million catalogued items. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

   @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: Different sources have different criteria regarding how big libraries are. NYPL is the second biggest by catalog size, but BPL is the largest by volumes held. I think this is something we should consider when deciding what to remove an add. Interstellarity (talk) 13:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

   @Interstellarity: I was just going off List of largest libraries, where only the catalogue size is listed. I still see the NYPL as more vital, as it has double the interwikis and triple the daily views. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

   @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I found these articles at here and here. One article has the NYPL as larger and the other has BPL as larger, but if you still think NYPL is more vital, I’ll respect your opinion on that. Interstellarity (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

2. Not even mentioning its sheer size (fourth largest library in the world), amount of visitors, and iconicness, it's also a historic landmark. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose BPL

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Add Fan wiki

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Fan wikis are some of the most popular websites in the world. Should be under Internet medium. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. When nobody made an article for this up until now (and the nominator themselves made the article) and it has no interwikis, I highly doubt that this vital. Sure, widespread, but vital? No. λ NegativeMP1 03:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Too specific variant of Wiki  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Wiki  5 is only VA5 and this does not seem like an important enough subtopic to overcome that. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Per above. The page has only existed for a few days. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Deutsche Mark

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The currency that Euro  4 was largely bassed on. It was the official currency of West Germany  5 and Germany  3

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I'm not convinced any individual historic currencies are vital. Gold standard  5 or Special drawing rights  5 should be added, but not Deutsche mark. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Doesn't seem vital even historically Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rumor  5 and Gossip  5

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Two major forms of Communication  2.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
2. V5, sure. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Thor (Marvel Comics)  5

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A level 4 VA missing from the level 5 list. IDBLWK (talk) 07:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. IDBLWK (talk) 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Wzrd517 (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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