Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 12

How often are people getting both of these rights at the same time? I don't see why we should have a template specifically for this instead of just using {{Rollback granted}} and {{Pending changes reviewer granted}} separately. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 23:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete – these are "thematically related", so I can see why the template was created, but I don't think that outweighs the costs of duplicating templates. If this could be reimplemented as a "thin wrapper" around {{rollback granted}} and {{pending changes reviewer granted}}, I'd support keeping it. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I frequently assign both at the same time because both are useful for recent changes patrolling and I use this template. I find it baffling to see two non-admins debate the use of a template tyat is always substituted and only used by admins. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Lithuanian-Bermontian War

Template:Campaignbox Lithuanian-Bermontian War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only links two pages (Lithuanian–Bermontian War and Battle of Radviliškis), which are already linked to each other. Should be either deleted (per WP:NENAN), or possibly merged with others into a wider navbox about the Lithuanian Wars of Independence. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gaardebaach

Template:Gaardebaach (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Extremely excessive detail. This very small brook is not even mentioned outside Wikipedia, it seems[1] yet it has its own template, basically a step-by-step-guide of the few hundred meters this presumably exists. We are not a repository for stylized topographical maps of mainly non-notable entities (the Syre is notable, but hardly needs this overview of every minor thing it encounters in Contern)

The same goes for the other templates used on the same page:

@Fram Alright sure I admit I might have been a little carried away making some of these such as Réimeschbaach and Gaardebaach but the other rivers pass as far as I know WP:GEONATURAL and therefore the templates are potentially useful especially for Trudlerbaach and Syre. Although yes, I made those on the simple wiki a while ago and in hindsight, they are overdetailed and could do with some cleanup. As for Railways in Contern, I don't really see the problem to be honest, to me it seems like a useful addition for anyone trying to make Geographical sense of what is written in the Contern article. N1TH Music (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lzh

Template:Lzh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary wrapper of {{lang}}. We're moving away from specific templates for each language as they require an additional maintenance burden and are less flexible. See similar discussion for lang-?? templates. Replace usages with {{lang|lzh}} and delete template after. Gonnym (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Can't this usage just be redirected to (or wrap) {{lang|lzh}}? This template only has transclusions on about forty articles and talkpages, but I'm worried what precedent this is setting for {{zhi}} (639 transclusions) and {{zh}} (~70,000 transclusions), both of which wrap {{lang-zh}}.
Reducing maintenance burden is fine, but I neither A. want a bot run to blow up my watchlist on hundreds of articles substituting {{lang}} for wrappers of {{lang-zh}}, nor B. want to have to type {{lang|zh}} every single time I have to type Chinese characters somewhere, which might be dozens to hundreds of times per article, depending on the subject.
Seems like it would be better to handle cases like these on the backend instead of forcing more specific syntax onto all editors (which is also a kind of maintenance burden). Folly Mox (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Alt

Template:Alt (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is used to show character text as images instead of actual selectable text. This is extremally unhelpful. Gonnym (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It was helpful to me, for what I used it for (which is documented on the page).

Happy to hear if there are better alternatives for achieving the same thing. Dingolover6969 (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When the text isn't selectable it is harmful. If you want to make unselectable text in your userspace, that's fine(?), but it should never be allowed in other places, especially no in an article. Gonnym (talk) 02:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it would generally be a harmful thing to do. The exceptions to that general principle are exactly what I made Alt for, as is clearly documented on the page. Such as working around the generally poor state of browser text rendering of ᵘ̄ by alt-ing a smallsup-made ^ū (in case you have one of the better browsers out there, the first one often renders as a superscript u with a line following it, when it's supposed to appear as a superscript u with a line over it).

This is really not much different from the math genre of templates, if that helps. For example, sfrac produces ⁠12⁠, which is then selectable as "⁠1/2", despite the fact that it displays as different text. Sometimes this is the most useful thing to do for the user. Dingolover6969 (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also interesting to note is the mediawiki extension <math> which renders formulae like “

E=mc^{2}

” as images that when selected seem to copy as text like “E = m c 2 {\displaystyle E=mc^{2}}”, which is just some garbage. I'm not in favor of this, and think it's overused, but it does serve to show that unselectable text in practice is already fairly common in articles. — And, in fact, the point of Alt is to make things like this, which display correctly, but also give them the correct textual value when copied, unlike the current <math>. Dingolover6969 (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to fix a specific character, create a template that produces the character in a font that produces the correct output. Gonnym (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Member

Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Member (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Member/Inactive (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Members (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WP BPL Article Improvement Program (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Project does not exist anymore. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: These templates may have been orphaned incorrectly by an editor doing a badly managed merge of some content. See this diff and this attempt at discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/A514 road

Template:Attached KML/A514 road (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused as A514 road was redirected. Gonnym (talk) 13:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Population Swedish municipality/Listaux

Template:Population Swedish municipality/Listaux (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused sub-page and not found in an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Certification Table Entry/Sales/SpanishPeriod

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete. G7 SilverLocust 💬 23:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Certification Table Entry/Sales/SpanishPeriod (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be no longer used anywhere in the code? [2]. Solidest (talk) 12:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy WP:G7 as author. --Muhandes (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Polytonic

Template:Polytonic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template was deprecated years ago and is only found in one misuse of .css page. Template should be deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the use on the .css page. Izno (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lang-grc-gre

Template:Lang-grc-gre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template should be replaced with the newly created {{langx}}, which accepts various Greek languages:

["grc-x-aeolic"] = "Aeolic Greek"
["grc-x-attic"] = "Attic Greek"
["grc-x-biblical"] = "Biblical Greek"
["grc-x-byzant"] = "Byzantine Greek"
["grc-x-classic"] = "Classical Greek"
["grc-x-doric"] = "Doric Greek"
["grc-x-hellen"] = "Hellenistic Greek"
["grc-x-ionic"] = "Ionic Greek"
["grc-x-koine"] = "Koinē Greek"
["grc-x-medieval"] = "Medieval Greek"
["grc-x-patris"] = "Patristic Greek"
["grk-x-proto"] = "Proto-Greek"

Which Module:Lang/data, which handles the code says the above codes are preferred alternates to the non-standard catchall code grc-gre. See also the related TfD which deleted most individual lang-?? templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welcome-he-wiki and Template:Welcomeen-en

Template:Welcome-he-wiki (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Welcomeen-en (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Templates are redundant; Template:Welcomeen-he and Template:Welcome-foreign can be used instead (respectively). Frostly (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Seems to duplicate other templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]