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[edit]- Feng (surname 酆) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not sure why this was deprodded since it still fails WP:NNAME. It could be redirected to the one person with the name but the parenthetical disambiguator would make it an implausible target, as someone searching up "Feng (surname 酆)" is going to expect information on the surname and not Feng Yunhe. Of the two sources in the article, one only mentions the name and the other is a dictionary. The sources I could find online are not much better, pretty much only WP:ROTM name websites of questionable reliability. I can't see anything suggesting evidence of notability for this name. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and China. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- 新編百家姓 [New Edition of the Hundred Family Surnames] (in Chinese). Taipei: Cheng Chung Book Company . 2005. p. 327. ISBN 978-957-0917-529. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "春秋時期,鄭穆公有個兒子叫豐,在鄭僖公時任大夫,豐的孫子施、卷以他們的祖父的名為姓氏,稱為豐氏。二是出自國名。周初,周文王的第十七子封於酆國,後人以國名為姓,稱為酆氏。後來,後人中有取酆(現簡化為豐)的左邊為姓,即豐姓。豐姓是當今少見的姓氏,人數不多,但分布很廣,天津、河北、山東、內蒙古、廣西、雲南、四川等地均有豐姓。歷代名人唐代有高僧豐幹。宋代有義士豐存芳。明代有狀元豐熙,書法家豐坊,詩人豐越人,學者豐寅初,進士豐慶。現代有著名教育家、畫家豐子愷。 慶麼姓淵源慶姓來源主要有三. 豐姓始祖公子豐 慶姓始祖慶輔."
From Google Translate: "During the Spring and Autumn Period, Duke Mu of Zheng had a son named Feng, who served as a minister during the reign of Duke Xi of Zheng. Feng's grandsons Shi and Juan took their grandfather's name as their surname, and were called Feng. The second is that it comes from the name of the country. In the early Zhou Dynasty, the seventeenth son of King Wen of Zhou was granted the title of Feng State. Later generations took the name of the state as their surname, and were called Fengshi. Later, some descendants took the left side of Feng (now simplified to Feng) as their surname, namely Feng. The surname Feng is a rare surname nowadays. There are not many people with this surname, but it is widely distributed. People with the surname Feng can be found in Tianjin, Hebei, Shandong, Inner Mongolia, Guangxi, Yunnan, Sichuan and other places. Famous people throughout the ages: In the Tang Dynasty, there was the eminent monk Feng Gan. In the Song Dynasty, there was a righteous man named Feng Cunfang. In the Ming Dynasty, there were the top scholar Feng Xi, the calligrapher Feng Fang, the poet Feng Yueren, the scholar Feng Yinchu, and the Jinshi Feng Qing. In modern times, there is the famous educator and painter Feng Zikai. There are three main sources of the surname Qing. The ancestor of the surname Feng is Gongzi Feng and the ancestor of the surname Qing is Qing Fu."
- "【姓氏小談】酆姓" [[Short Talk on Surnames] Feng]. Merit Times (in Chinese). 2010-08-05. Archived from the original on 2025-01-13. Retrieved 2025-01-13.
The article notes: "出自姬姓:周武王滅商後,封自己的弟弟,即周文王的第十七子於酆邑,建立侯國,世稱酆侯。周成王時,酆侯被廢黜,其後人以酆為姓氏。酆姓主要分布在湖南、陝西、安徽、湖北等省市。據說,出自山西省洪洞縣的酆姓族人曾遭遇大災荒,多數向北方遷移,遷出的人們大多居住在山西省朔州一帶,大同也有一些。"
From Google Translate: "From the Ji surname: After King Wu of Zhou destroyed the Shang Dynasty, he granted his younger brother, the seventeenth son of King Wen of Zhou, the title of Marquis of Fengyi and established a marquisate, known as Fenghou. During the reign of King Cheng of Zhou, Marquis Feng was deposed and his descendants took Feng as their surname. The surname Feng is mainly distributed in provinces and cities such as Hunan, Shaanxi, Anhui, and Hubei. It is said that the Feng clan from Hongdong County, Shanxi Province once suffered a great famine and most of them migrated to the north. Most of the people who migrated lived in Shuozhou area of Shanxi Province, and there were also some in Datong."
The article lists these notable people with the surname:
- Feng Shu (Chinese: 酆舒) – a self-proclaimed king in the Lu State during the Spring and Autumn Period
- Feng Shenzhi (Chinese: 酆伸之), a jinshi during the Song Dynasty
- Feng Yingchu (Chinese: 酆寅初), director of the Imperial College during the Hongwu period. From the late Yuan dynasty and early Ming dynasty.
- Fengmou (Chinese: 酆謀) – a jinpi during the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom
- Feng Zhesheng (Chinese: 酆哲生), a translator and visiting lecturer at the University of Hawaii
- Zhang, Xuexian 张学衔 (2000). 华夏百家姓探源 [Exploring the Origins of the Hundred Surnames of China] (in Chinese). Nanjing: Nanjing University Press . p. 129. ISBN 978-7-305-01708-7. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The article notes: "酆〔 Fēng 〕京兆郡渤海堂酆姓起源京兆,祖宗酆侯。"
From Google Translate: "The surname Feng originated from Jingzhao, and the ancestor was Feng Hou."
The article notes: "【姓氏来源】《元和姓纂》记载: “周文王第十七子酆侯之后,以国为姓。”《左传》上说: “酆舒有二隽才,京兆。”由此可知,酆姓是出自 3000 多年以前周文王的第十七个儿子酆侯,由于被封于酆(今陕西户县东) ,所以,子孙也就按照当时的习惯,以国为姓,称为酆氏。望族居京兆郡(今陕西长安东)。【历史名人】春秋时潞国有执政大臣酆舒。宋代有著名道士酆去奢。【宗祠堂号】渤海堂。出自宋代酆去奢的故事。酆去奢,少为崇山官道士,精思忘瘦,一心行道,据传说去渤海向蓬莱仙岛,得道成仙而去。后世酆姓人家就以他去“渤海”成仙作为纪念,取堂号为“渤海堂”。【楹联】二擅隽才(酆舒) ,双成寿考(酆寅初)。"
From Google Translate: "【Origin of surname】《Yuanhe Xingzhuan》 records: "The descendants of Fenghou, the seventeenth son of King Wen of Zhou, took the country as their surname." "Zuo Zhuan" says: "Feng Shu has two talented people, Jingzhao." From this, we can know that the surname Feng comes from Fenghou, the seventeenth son of King Wen of Zhou more than 3,000 years ago. Because he was granted the title of Feng (now east of Huxian County, Shaanxi), his descendants also followed the custom at that time and took the country as their surname, called Feng. The prominent family lived in Jingzhao County (now east of Chang'an, Shaanxi). 【Historical celebrities】During the Spring and Autumn Period, there was a ruling minister Feng Shu in Lu State. In the Song Dynasty, there was a famous Taoist priest Feng Qushe. 【Ancestral Hall Name】Bohai Hall. It comes from the story of Feng Qushe in the Song Dynasty. Feng Qushe was a Taoist priest in Chongshan when he was young. He was so devoted to Taoism that he forgot his weight and practiced Taoism. According to legend, he went to Bohai Sea and went to Penglai Island, where he became an immortal. In later generations, people with the surname Feng used his immortality in Bohai Sea as a commemoration and named their hall "Bohai Hall". [Couplet] Two talented people (Feng Shu), two longevity (Feng Yinchu)."
- Peng, Guifang 彭桂芳 (1980). 五百年前是一家 [500 Years Ago, We Were One Family] (in Chinese). Vol. 1. Taipei: Li Ming Cultural Enterprise . OCLC 13993130. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "唐代的京城是建於長安,則當時酆姓人家最多的地方其中的道理,十分顯然。鄭姓的始祖是周文王的兒子酆侯;豐姓雖然是鄭穆公之子豐的後裔,但是,當時鄭國也是由周文王的後裔所建,則推算起來,豐姓豈不也是源自周文王?所以,酆姓與豐姓,實際上是一根兩枝,算起來都是黃帝軒轅氏的姬姓後裔。兩姓源異而本同說起來,我國姓氏的奧妙之處就在這裏,鄭姓與豐姓,雖然乍看之下各有各的來源,彼此之間並無淵源,但是如果再進一步認真地追溯起來,就可以發現另一番景象———在三千年以前,兩姓根本就是一家人。"
From Google Translate: "The capital of the Tang Dynasty was built in Chang'an, so it is obvious that Chang'an was the place with the largest number of families with the surname Feng at that time. The ancestor of the Zheng surname was Feng Hou, the son of King Wen of Zhou. Although the Feng surname is a descendant of Feng, the son of Duke Mu of Zheng, the State of Zheng was also founded by the descendants of King Wen of Zhou. So, doesn't it mean that the Feng surname also originated from King Wen of Zhou? ?Therefore, the surname Feng and the surname Feng are actually two branches of the same root, and both are descendants of the Ji surname of Emperor Huangdi Xuanyuan. The two surnames have different origins but the same origin. This is the mystery of Chinese surnames. Although Zheng and Feng have their own origins at first glance and have no connection with each other, if we take a closer look, Looking back, we can find a different picture—three thousand years ago, the two surnames were actually one family."
- Wang, Daliang 王大良 (2001). 当代百家姓 [The Hundred Surnames of Contemporary China] (in Chinese). Beijing: Meteorological Press 气象出版社. p. 194. ISBN 978-7502-9305-23. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "酆 feng 酆姓人相传是周文王的后代。早在商朝末年,周文王之子周武王灭商建国,为了扩大王室的势力,把自己的多位弟弟分封于天下,其中第 17 弟被分封于酆(今陕西户县一带) ,为侯国,史称酆侯。后来,酆侯的后代便以这一封国的名称为姓,姓酆,从而成为最早的一批酆姓人。鄭姓得姓以后,在历史上又以京兆等为郡望,并出现了春秋时潞人酆舒、宋朝进士酆伸之等著名人物。当代,酆姓也是一个分布较为广泛的姓氏,尤其是在陕西、四川等省,都较为容易见到以此为姓的人。"
From Google Translate: "Feng. It is said that people with the surname Feng are descendants of King Wen of Zhou. As early as the end of the Shang Dynasty, King Wu of Zhou, the son of King Wen of Zhou, destroyed the Shang Dynasty and founded the state. In order to expand the power of the royal family, he divided the country among his brothers. Among them, the 17th brother was given the title of Marquis of Feng (now Huxian County, Shaanxi Province). , known in history as Feng Hou. Later, the descendants of Feng Hou took the name of this fiefdom as their surname, Feng, and became the earliest group of people with the surname Feng. After the surname Zheng was derived, in history, Jingzhao and other counties were considered as the ancestral home, and there emerged such famous figures as Feng Shu, a Luren in the Spring and Autumn Period, and Feng Shenzhi, a Jinshi in the Song Dynasty. Nowadays, Feng is also a widely distributed surname, especially in provinces such as Shaanxi and Sichuan, where it is easy to see people with this surname."
- 中國百家姓解說辭典 [Dictionary of the Explanation of the Hundred Family Surnames of China] (in Chinese). Taipei: Shin Wen Feng Print Company 新文豐出版公司. 1985. p. 94. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "酆出中國有姓酆的人,也有姓的人,這兩個姓氏的讀音相同,其間只差了一個邑字旁。那麽,這兩者之間是不是有什麼特別的關係或淵源呢?要弄清楚這個問題,就得先行把兩個姓氏的姓源分辦一下一關於酆姓的姓源,「姓纂」和「名賢氏族言行類稿」都是這樣記載的:「周文王第十七子鄂侯之後,以國爲姓,左傳酆舒有二雋才,京兆。」鄭豐兩姓的來源,這兩者之間是不是有什麼特別的關係或淵源呢?相信這必然是一個大家所關心的問題。要弄清楚這個問題,就得先行把兩個姓氏的姓源分辨一下————中國有姓酆的人,也有姓的人,這兩個姓氏的讀音相同,其間只差了一個邑字旁。"
From Google Translate: "There are people in China with the surname Feng, and there are also people with the surname Feng. These two surnames have the same pronunciation, with the only difference being the character "邑" on the radical. So, is there any special relationship or origin between the two? To clarify this question, we must first analyze the origins of the two surnames. Regarding the origin of the surname Feng, "Xingzhuan" and The "Records of Words and Deeds of Famous Clans" all record it like this: "The descendants of the seventeenth son of King Wen of Zhou, Marquis of E, took the country as their surname. Zuo Zhuan recorded that there were two talented people in Fengshu, Jingzhao." The origin of the two surnames Zheng and Feng, Is there any special relationship or origin between the two? I believe this must be a question that everyone is concerned about. To clarify this question, we must first distinguish the origins of the two surnames. In China, there are people with the surname Feng and people with the surname Feng. The two surnames have the same pronunciation, with the only difference being the character Yi.."
- Less significant coverage:
- 宝宝的第一本国学启蒙书:三字经 百家姓 [Baby's First Book of Chinese Classical Education: Three Character Classic and Hundred Family Surnames] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Textile Press . 2020. ISBN 978-3-16-148410-0. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "酆姓氏来源周武王建立周朝后,将他的弟弟封于酆邑,他的后代以地名为姓,酆姓就是由此产生的。"
From Google Translate: "Origin of the surname Feng: After King Wu of Zhou established the Zhou Dynasty, he granted his younger brother the title of Marquis of Feng. His descendants took the place name as their surname, and the surname Feng came from this."
- Gao, Zhuguan 高諸觀 (1981). 台灣人的根: 八閩全鑑 [Taiwanese Roots: A Complete Guide to Fujian] (in Chinese). Yilan: Taiwan News and Culture Publishing House 台灣新聞文化出版社. OCLC 17074117. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "The exact time when the Feng surname migrated to Taiwan cannot be verified. Most of the surnames in Taiwan come from Fujian,"
From Google Translate: "The exact time when the Feng surname migrated to Taiwan cannot be verified. Most of the surnames in Taiwan come from Fujian,"
- 宝宝的第一本国学启蒙书:三字经 百家姓 [Baby's First Book of Chinese Classical Education: Three Character Classic and Hundred Family Surnames] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Textile Press . 2020. ISBN 978-3-16-148410-0. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
- 新編百家姓 [New Edition of the Hundred Family Surnames] (in Chinese). Taipei: Cheng Chung Book Company . 2005. p. 327. ISBN 978-957-0917-529. Retrieved 2025-01-13 – via Google Books.
- Ji (surname 蓟) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article went through AfD a few months ago, which ended in no consensus. Every single source brought up at the nomination page was a name dictionary that briefly mentions some mythical legend about how a descendant of the Yellow Emperor was enfeoffed by King Wu of Zhou in some town named Ji and then the town was conquered by some neighboring state and then the residents took up this up as their surname. None of them provide any evidence of the notability of this name or family. The sources currently in the article are two dictionaries that only mention the name and some brief explanation of the legend. Unless more sources can be found outside of "some people in a town 1,000 years ago adopted the town name as their surname and then they went to live in some other places" then this article runs afoul of WP:NOTDICT and WP:NNAME and is best deleted. It was also proposed that it could be redirect to Ji (surname) in the old AfD but I don't think this would really benefit readers as that page is just a listing of links to articles about different surnames transliterated as "Ji". Sorry for the very long nomination statement. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 21:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete No Wikipedia articles about people with the name. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
Analysis of the sources
After translating from Chinese to English through Google Translate, Zhu 2009 provides 352 words of coverage about the subject, Xu & Hou 2017 provides 205 words of coverage about the subject, and Beijing Evening News 2009 provides about 500 words of coverage about the subject.
My view is there is sufficient depth in these sources to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. The sources discuss the origin of the surname 蓟, etymological analysis about the different components in the the character's formation, the places where the surname is most common, the fact that it is not among the 400 most common surnames, how the Eastern Han scholar Ji Zixun and the Eastern Han military commander Ji Liao (Chinese: 蓟辽) have the surname 蓟, and how King Wu of Zhou granted the descendants of Yellow Emperor the title of Marquis of Ji following which they took Ji as their family surname. There is enough information that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" (quoting from Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline).
This depth of coverage about the surname means that WP:NOTDICT is not violated. The guideline Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Minor differences notes: "An article about a given name or a surname is an anthroponymy article that contains a list of people with this name as well as encyclopedic content about the meaning, etymology and history of the name." The sources provide enough information to write an article that has "encyclopedic content about the meaning, etymology and history of the name".
Sources
- Zhu, Tianmin 朱天民 (2009). 姓氏的尊嚴:從姓氏起源察知神對人無盡的愛 [The Dignity of Surnames: Discover God's Endless Love for People from the Origin of Surnames] (in Chinese). Taipei: 歸主出版社. pp. 262–263. ISBN 978-986-6769-160. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "我所姓的這「薊」,很少人能正確的認識,當然是因為這姓氏太少;可 是,究其歷史卻是相當久遠。約等於士師後的撒母耳時代,周武王封黃帝裔 孫於「薊」,即今日的北京城西的大部分地區,後代就以「薊」為姓而留存。"
From Google Translate: "Very few people can correctly recognize my surname "Ji", of course because there are so few people with this surname; but Yes, its history is quite long. Around the time of Samuel after the Judges, King Wu of the Zhou Dynasty named the descendants of the Yellow Emperor "Ji", which is most of the area west of Beijing today. The descendants continued to use "Ji" as their surname."
The book notes: "然若查考古人為何以圖二的「草」,與圖三的「魚」和圖四象形的「刀」 來組成,而稱開紫色小花之菊科花草的名字。乍看之下,它們似乎是毫不相 干;當然,依造字的原則,可叫我們知道它是一種草的名字。又因它的葉子 為魚翅狀,所以就如此組合。可是,古人又把它的右旁組以圖四的「刀」, 真會使這魚和草都不敢面對。"
From Google Translate: "However, if we look into why the archaeologists combined the "grass" in Figure 2 with the "fish" in Figure 3 and the pictographic "knife" in Figure 4 to name the flowers and plants of the Compositae family with small purple flowers. At first glance, they seem to have nothing to do with each other; of course, according to the principles of word creation, we know that it is the name of a kind of grass. And because its leaves are shark fin-shaped, they are combined like this. However, the ancients also placed the "knife" in Figure 4 on the right side of it, which really made the fish and grass afraid to face it."
- Xu, Tiesheng 徐铁生; Hou, Xiaoru 侯笑如, eds. (2017). "263蓟 Jì". 《百家姓》新解(精) [A New Interpretation of "Hundred Family Surnames" (Excerpt)] (in Chinese). Beijing: Zhonghua Book Company. ISBN 978-7-101-12533-7. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Google Books.
The book notes:
From Google Translate:姓不在中国400个常见姓之列。分布于北京市,河北石家庄、正定、滦南、永年,山西太原、大同(市)、朔州、阳泉、长治(市)、介休、万荣、孝义、汾阳、文水、绛县,江苏南京、常州、无锡、兴化,浙江宁波、海盐,安徽宿松,福建柘荣、三明,山东高密、烟台,河南中牟、宁陵、义马,湖北武汉、钟祥、英山、荆州、石首、公安,湖南长沙(市、县)、岳阳(市)、华容、益阳、攸县、衡阳(市),贵州正安,陕西西安、合阳,甘肃酒泉等地。望出内黄县。
蓟姓有内黄堂、宗新堂等堂号。
相传蓟姓出内黄帝轩辕氏之后,蓟姓家族因以“宗轩”为家族堂号。
蓟氏,祁姓。以国为氏。蓟国,在今北京城西南隅。周武王时始封,后灭于燕。
蓟姓历史人物有:蓟辽,东汉建安中驸马都尉,齐人。
The surname is not among the 400 common surnames in China. It is distributed in Beijing, Shijiazhuang, Zhengding, Luannan, Yongnian in Hebei, Taiyuan, Datong (city), Shuozhou, Yangquan, Changzhi (city), Jiexiu, Wanrong, Xiaoyi, Fenyang, Wenshui, Jiangxian in Shanxi, Nanjing, Changzhou, Wuxi, Xinghua in Jiangsu, Ningbo, Haiyan in Zhejiang, Susong in Anhui, Zherong, Sanming in Fujian, Gaomi, Yantai in Shandong, Zhongmou, Ningling, Yima in Henan, Wuhan, Zhongxiang, Yingshan, Jingzhou, Shishou, Gong'an in Hubei, Changsha (city, county), Yueyang (city), Huarong, Yiyang, Youxian, Hengyang (city) in Hunan, Zheng'an in Guizhou, Xi'an, Heyang in Shaanxi, Jiuquan in Gansu, etc. The ancestors came from Neihuang County.
The Ji surname has hall names such as Neihuang Hall and Zongxin Hall.
According to legend, the Ji surname came from the descendants of Emperor Huangdi Xuanyuan, so the Ji surname family used "Zongxuan" as the family hall name.
Ji clan, Qi surname. The surname is taken from the country. Ji State was located in the southwest corner of Beijing. It was first established during the reign of King Wu of Zhou and was later destroyed by Yan.
Historical figures with the surname Ji include: Ji Liao, a military commander of the imperial son-in-law during the Jian'an period of the Eastern Han Dynasty, from Qi.
- "以蓟为姓 在童话里飞扬" [With Ji as the surname, soaring in the fairy tale]. Beijing Evening News (in Chinese). 2022-04-06. Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Sina Corporation.
The article notes: "也由于被人喜爱,才有了蓟国,并带来了蓟姓。据《姓氏考略》记载,大约在殷商时期,古代范阳(约今北京城西南一带)因为漫山遍野长着独具气质和才情的蓟,便自然形成一个小国,史称蓟国。蓟国是今北京最早形成的国家之一。... 蓟在中国古代姓氏中的位置也比较理想,开创了神话一般的存在。其中心人物是东汉建安年间名士蓟子训。正史、野史、方志类古籍对他均有记载。"
From Google Translate: "Because of its popularity, the Ji State was established, and the Ji surname was brought to the country. According to the "Surname Research", around the Shang Dynasty, the ancient Fanyang (approximately the southwest of Beijing today) naturally formed a small country, known as the Ji State, because the mountains and plains were full of Ji with unique temperament and talent. The Ji State was one of the earliest countries formed in Beijing today. ... Ji also has an ideal position in ancient Chinese surnames, creating a mythical existence. The central figure is Ji Zixun, a famous scholar during the Jian'an period of the Eastern Han Dynasty. He is recorded in official history, unofficial history, and local chronicles."
- Less significant coverage:
- "蓟姓起源,名人及家谱" [Origin of the Ji surname, celebrities and family tree]. Shangdu.com (in Chinese). 2008-07-17. Archived from the original on 2014-05-08. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
The article notes: "据《姓氏考略》记载:周武王封黄帝的后裔于蓟(今北京),其子孙便以国名为姓。"
From Google Translate: "According to the "Surname Research", King Wu of Zhou granted the descendants of Emperor Huangdi the title of Ji (now Beijing), and their descendants took the name of the country as their surname."
- Wang, Kezhong 王克忠 (2011). 国学精粹 [The Essence of Chinese Studies] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Textile Press . ISBN 978-7-5064-7230-2. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
The book notes: "【蓟姓】 西周时,周武王封黄帝的后代在蓟,其就以蓟为自己家族的姓氏。"
From Google Translate: "[Ji surname] During the Western Zhou Dynasty, King Wu of Zhou granted the descendants of Emperor Huang the title of Marquis of Ji, and they took Ji as their family surname."
- "蓟姓起源,名人及家谱" [Origin of the Ji surname, celebrities and family tree]. Shangdu.com (in Chinese). 2008-07-17. Archived from the original on 2014-05-08. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
- Zhu, Tianmin 朱天民 (2009). 姓氏的尊嚴:從姓氏起源察知神對人無盡的愛 [The Dignity of Surnames: Discover God's Endless Love for People from the Origin of Surnames] (in Chinese). Taipei: 歸主出版社. pp. 262–263. ISBN 978-986-6769-160. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Google Books.
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- FYI to readers, these are the same sources I addressed in the nom statement. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Poodle (insult) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article describing one time Tony Blair was criticized for going along with US policy. I think a sentence in the article about the incident is enough, and there's nothing here to suggest that this insult has been used on anyone but him. Not the same as attack poodle, from what I can tell, though I see no reason for an article about the latter either. Mangoe (talk) 22:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete nonnotable dicdef. --Altenmann >talk 23:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - WP:NOTDICTIONARY (Usage, slang, or idiom guides). Not sure even why this seems to be UK in origin, but the image used is an American president and his dog. — Maile (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep and provide more content and examples. This is a widely used concept. I heard it mostly in relation to Donald Trump being allegedly a Putin's poodle: [1],[2]. Is it something notable? I think it certainly is. My very best wishes (talk) 20:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Dict def plus examples is not an article. Mangoe (talk) 23:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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Another supposed political term that in fact is used all over the place for the obvious dissonance of "poodle" (presumably they are thinking of toy poodles since a full sized one is in fact a perfectly good hunting dog) and "attack". I'm not seeing any traction for as a term and the phrase in context is obvious; GBook hits in particular are overwhelmed by hits in fiction. The cite support is all "someone used the phrase," not that there's much. Mangoe (talk) 15:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge Seems essentially redundant with Poodle (insult); we don't need a seperate article for the attack modifier. Rusalkii (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've also nominated the latter. In any case I don't think these were meant to insult the subjects along the same lines. Mangoe (talk) 22:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge is fine as suggested. Bearian (talk) 05:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Political insult (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A listcicle disguised as a definition which nobody needs. Maybe someone might want to move the contents to a list of notable political insults article, though I have my doubts about such a list generally ignoring notability. In any case, we don't need to define what a political insult is. Mangoe (talk) 16:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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- DELETE - WP:NOTDICTIONARY (Usage, slang, or idiom guides). Anybody old enough to read or see the news already has a good grasp of what a political insult is. — Maile (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete, and probably don't keep the list. Agree that there is no need for an article giving a definition for such an obvious term. I think a list of political insults is inevitably going to have major WP:LISTCRIT issues, so my preference would be for deletion rather than moving/merging the list. MCE89 (talk) 00:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I see a great danger that this list will get out of control. Bearian (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to List of political insults because this page is actually a list. My very best wishes (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Political buzzword (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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One of a set of unsourced stubs explaining political things that need no explanation. This could likely be expanded by padding, but as it is it comes across as some amateur's WP:OR. Mangoe (talk) 05:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Is the article's definition even correct? It seems like the article is describing political slogans or soundbites rather than buzzwords - I can't find anything that uses the term "political buzzword" in the way this does. Doesn't have anything useful to merge, and I don't see any real point redirecting to slogan, buzzword or sound bite as it doesn't seem like a likely search term. To the extent that this is talking about something notable I think it can be adequately covered in one of those three articles MCE89 (talk) 06:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - No sources whatsoever. Created in 2018, and tagged as unsourced since that date. — Maile (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Purely OR, and runs afoul of WP:NOTDICT. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:BEFORE. There are literally dozens of books, hundreds of news articles, and a whole body of scholarly research in Political Science about buzzwords in politics. Bearian (talk) 01:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, not convinced. I have to think that buzzwords in politics work like, well, buzzwords. If you make this article from those papers, I'd be more likely to consider it. But I'm way past the point where I willing to keep vacuous stubs just because they might be expanded. Mangoe (talk) 03:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Three completely unsourced sentences. If there was ever a more prime candidate for deletion I haven't seen it yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insanityclown1 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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A bit of poli sci jargon which seemingly hasn't caught on. I did see a few book hits, mostly recent enough to where they could depend on us, but far and away most hits were proper names. Mangoe (talk) 05:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete – Appears to be fringe coinage. Wikipedia isn't a dictionary anyways. Yue🌙 09:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I've never heard this term before, and a Google search turns up nothing. WP:NEOLOGISM applies here. 12:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Couldn't find anything that could be included in the article beyond a dictionary definition, or any indication that this is a notable concept beyond being proposed in one paper. Another option would be to merge into Incumbent, which already contains the definition of Sophomore surge, but my feeling is that would be undue given that this doesn't even seem to be a mainstream or widely discussed concept in studies of incumbency. MCE89 (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Chakobsa (Dune) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The notability for this stub article about a fictional language relies on its use in two films, and I don't see significant growth potential. The entry at Glossary of Dune (franchise) terminology#C is an acceptable redirect destination, and already includes the primary two sentences of content. I'm dubious about the notability of the newly added Phonology information, but even if it and other possible sourced additions are deemed as notable, this minor subtopic is more appropriate in Dune (franchise)#Additional linguistic and historic influences than as its own article. — TAnthonyTalk 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect per nom. Not much in the way of coverage, but perfectly slottable into a larger article where it can be better covered. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. This is a notable conlang used in two notable films (Dune and Dune: Part Two). The fact that the article is a stub does not mean that it should be deleted. See WP:TOOSHORT:
Wikipedia has many stubs. These should not be deleted for this reason but should be marked as stubs. Even if the 'article' is really a dictionary entry, if there is published, reliable evidence of even the slightest potential for it to be expanded beyond this, it should be kept.
Khiikiat (talk) 01:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)- Also: Keep per WP:HEY. Khiikiat (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- I understand you're going for a Dothraki language thing, but in my opinion, this fictional language is just not as notable as that one, at this time, based on the coverage. And I have criticisms of the Dothraki article as well. The criteria for a topic's inclusion in Wikipedia in general is different from the criteria for a topic to be a standalone article. I do appreciate the work you're putting in on the stub, but to be honest it seems like you're straining to make this topic more than it is.— TAnthonyTalk 22:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect for now. Some mention in NYT but not seeing 'Chakobsa' in NYorker. GS query shows some passing mentions. If anyone thinks this is notable (which is possible but not guaranteed), the burden is on them to show it with sources, not vague claims. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
not seeing 'Chakobsa' in NYorker
: The article in The New Yorker does not use the term Chakobsa, but the article is about the creation of the Fremen language, which is Chakobsa. Khiikiat (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY now includes plenty of references to meet GNG and development information. Jclemens (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. Pandacthulhu (talk) 18:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect per Piotrus. The evidence of sources meeting WP:GNG has not been met. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect/Merge per nominator. Giving Peterson's conlang its own article separate from the context of the other linguistic, cultural, and historical sources drawn on by the Dune series (including Herbert's own version of Chakobsa!) is just silly. Apocheir (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weidner Communications (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is confusing. Is it about a marketing company, a machine translation software, or the brothers (who have last names spelled differently)? 🄻🄰 11:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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- @लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक: I can't identify a deletion rationale in your nomination statement. Could you please provide one, else this nomination should be closed under WP:CSK#1. This appears to be a reasonably sourced article on a company, the machine translation software it produced, and its founders, which appear to be a reasonable set of topics to cover together. ~ A412 talk! 16:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep per WP:CSK#1 (nom has been editing, but has not provided any deletion rationale). ~ A412 talk! 18:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Intresseklubben antecknar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nonenglish dicdef for a rare Swedish slang phrase --Altenmann >talk 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete, does not belong in an encyclopedia. Geschichte (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as per above. One citation might as well be original research. Bearian (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete more appropriate for wiktionary. Draken Bowser (talk) 09:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- List of Ukrainian literature translated into English (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This strikes me as an non-encyclopedic cross-categorization per WP:CROSSCAT; perfectly appropriate for a category but failing WP:NLIST under WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:INDISCRIMINATE given the massive volume of potential entries in this list. In a WP:BEFORE I find discussion of the concept of Ukrainian literature in translation but not a discussion of these subjects as a group (and the selection of them, if not indiscriminate, appears to be an exercise in original research). Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - I looked online and there is a lot of SIGCOV about the topic, as noted above (happy to share if needed). I think that the better discussion may be a page split and/or a rename, rather than a deletion, to address to concerns about the page being too long. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please share what you found that covers the grouping of items as a set per WP:NLIST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Almost trivial and dubious criteria. Lorstaking (talk) 06:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Lebanese Aramaic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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"Lebanese Aramaic" is an unattested variety and the term is not used in the literature — the article fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOR. It relies almost entirely on an article by a Maronite cultural association (and even it does not use the term "Lebanese Aramaic"), which is not a valid scholarly source (WP:SOURCE) and contains fringe views that are very far outside of the linguistic consensus such as that that "West" Syriac is an "Aramaized" descendent of Caananite. None of the other sources used in the article mention "Lebanese Aramaic", but rather Aramaic or Syriac — the "history" of the alleged variety is collated (violating WP:SYNTH) from discussions of Aramaic and Syriac in general, not from "Lebanese Aramaic" specifically. Most of the linguistic content of the article does not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" (as this variety is unattested and thus undescribed), but rather Syriac or even Lebanese Arabic. In the previous discussion from December 2023 on whether the article should be deleted, two users came out in favour of keeping it, leading to a "no consensus" result and the article being kept. However, at no point did either of the two users touch on any of the of the arguments against keeping the article (i.e. in actually referencing editorial policy), with one user even making the false claim that Lebanese Arabic is primarily descended from Aramaic ("the current spoken Lebanese is a continuation of Surien"). No valid sources have been added since the discussion in December 2023. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep concerns from the nominator not withstanding, it seems that if there is an issue here, the best route is going to try and clean it up first before deletion. Perhaps there are other references out there. There seem to be many in this article, and this definitely does not appear to be original research. I find it hard to believe that a language that existed for hundreds of years cannot pass GNG standards. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- As said, the article does have references, but they crucially do not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" at all, as this is not a term used in the literature, meaning their use violates NOR. Western Aramaic and Syriac are both attested languages — "Lebanese Aramaic" is not. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 18:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If that's true, then it shouldn't hurt to wait just to be safe to ensure there isn't something else out there mentioning Lebanese Aramaic. Happy to change my opinion if no one comes forward with new information. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - as a 2nd nomination already existed prior to this at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lebanese Aramaic (2nd nomination), I have moved this to a 3rd nomination page Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Just noting that this is the 3rd AFD for this article over the past year. If this one also closes as "No consensus", as the other two did (or "Keep") then let's set a moratorium on a fourth AFD for at least another year (wait until 2026).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)- Keep: As already discussed in the previous nominations both Wardini and Bawardi specifically mention the subject along with various other sources in the page describing a distinct dialect. This seems to be more of an issue with other sources and deleting the entire page itself because of this would be overkill rather than an improvement. Red Phoenician (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have taken a look at the sources you mention and that is the basis of my conclusion that the article should be removed. You cannot simply say that the sources exist — you have to demonstrate that their usage in this context isn't erroneous / doesn't violate Wikipedia criteria.
• Where does Bawardi discuss "Lebanese Aramaic"? The Bawardi book cited in the article is a book on "Phoenicianist" nationalism ("The Lebanese-Phoenician Nationalist Movement"), not a work of linguistics, and the quotation that uses the term "Lebanese Aramaic" is a citation of nationalist vernacular Arabic-language poet Maurice Awad — i.e. the text does not come directly from Bawardi. The citation crucially does not discuss any aspects of the alleged language variety at all — it is entirely a nationalist statement about cultural continuity and is not relevant to the science of linguistics. This is not a valid source for the claims being made in the article.- • Wardini's work is entirely based on the proposed Aramaic etymology of placenames in Lebanon, not of any *attested* Aramaic usage. This does not constitute significant coverage in the linguistic or Semiticist literature — this violates notability guidelines and collating it with other sources that do not at all discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" in any way constitutes original research.
- • You say that this is "along with various other sources", but what are these sources? I've checked the references and none of them back up the claims in the article. They at best discuss Western Aramaic or even Syriac in general; the most cited source in the article is a Maronite pamphlet that contains multiple false claims, and some of the sources are political science papers that do not discuss language (this is also the case of Bawardi's book which is about nationalist ideology, not linguistics), and so on. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 06:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- First you claimed and requested that there were no mentions of Lebanese Aramaic but now that I have provided them you have moved the goalposts by claiming they are not notable enough. Wardini himself states that his study is to find “a large enough sample where much of the phonology and morphology and part of the lexicon of Lebanese Aramaic can be elucidated”[3] so I am not sure what you are getting at unless you’re arguing that many settlements in Lebanon have Aramaic etymologies but that there was never an Aramaic language presence in the region. Akopian, Hitti, Mozaya, and Issa all discuss Aramaic (also referred to as Syriac as explained above) pertaining specifically to Lebanon. Furthermore, please provide sources backing your accusation of false claims and Syriacpress is not even a Maronite "pamphlet"…although that raises the question of why it would even be an issue if the website was from members of a certain people group in the first place. Red Phoenician (talk) 04:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Just to clarify two things:
- I am not claiming that there was "never an Aramaic presence in the region", nor did the user that previously nominated the article for deletion. What is being argued is that "Lebanese Aramaic" is an unattested and undescribed variety and has not been subject to significant coverage in the literature.
- There is no issue with any author belonging to any particular religious group. I was referring to the series of articles published in Syriacpress and attributed to "Amine Jules Iskandar", who is is (according to Syriacpress) the "President of the Syriac Maronite Union–Tur Levnon". He repeatedly makes the following two false claims throughout his articles: "Syriac dialects [...] originate from Mesopotamian (Assyrian) and Canaanite (Phoenician)". The issue is not that the author happens to be a Maronite, but that his texts are political texts and not linguistic works.
- As for the other four sources you mentioned:
- Mozaya is a very brief study of Lebanese Arabic that lists a dozen Arabic words or so and proposes Syriac etymology for them. It does not discuss or analyse "Lebanese Aramaic" at all.
- Issa also seems to be an analysis of Arabic, not of "Lebanese Aramaic." In its abstract it says that it looks at words in "Arabic, Syriac, Latin and the Lebanese vernacular".
- Hitti is a history of Lebanon, and it mentions both Western Aramaic and Syriac as they are of course part of Lebanon's history. I do not see where it discusses "Lebanese Aramaic."
- Akopian likewise mentions Western Aramaic, but does not seem to discuss "Lebanese Aramaic".
- saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 13:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- First you claimed and requested that there were no mentions of Lebanese Aramaic but now that I have provided them you have moved the goalposts by claiming they are not notable enough. Wardini himself states that his study is to find “a large enough sample where much of the phonology and morphology and part of the lexicon of Lebanese Aramaic can be elucidated”[3] so I am not sure what you are getting at unless you’re arguing that many settlements in Lebanon have Aramaic etymologies but that there was never an Aramaic language presence in the region. Akopian, Hitti, Mozaya, and Issa all discuss Aramaic (also referred to as Syriac as explained above) pertaining specifically to Lebanon. Furthermore, please provide sources backing your accusation of false claims and Syriacpress is not even a Maronite "pamphlet"…although that raises the question of why it would even be an issue if the website was from members of a certain people group in the first place. Red Phoenician (talk) 04:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep:Article is about a notable subject backed by sources
- Keep: As already discussed in the previous nominations both Wardini and Bawardi specifically mention the subject along with various other sources in the page describing a distinct dialect. This seems to be more of an issue with other sources and deleting the entire page itself because of this would be overkill rather than an improvement. Red Phoenician (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Maropedia1 (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wordhunt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. As I wrote on the talk page while you were writing this, there is a lot of coverage of the Wordhunt to be found in Proquest. I added several reliable sources (Guardian, Scotsman, Chronicle of Higher Education), and the Boston Globe was already cited in the article, but there are also articles in Proquest in The Times (several), The Observer, Belfast Telegraph, Derby Evening Telegraph, Daily Post and even The Hindustan Times and Pittsburgh Post - Gazette. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Television, United Kingdom, and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: If the reason is solely "not notable" then I have to disagree. There's definitely some room for improvement on the article, but if there's enough sources about it, I see no reason to not keep it. It seems like WP:DANNO is happening here, I'd rather be convinced this isn't notable instead of just being told it isn't. Chew(V • T • E) 21:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- (Selective) Merge with Balderdash and Piffle. We've definitely got some good coverage of this, but given that the two topics are so closely intertwined, I don't see why they need separate articles. The article as-is could use some trimming...we don't need the whole list of words for sure, but both can certainly fit comfortably together. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting given the argument to Merge. I'll just say that this is a very poor deletion rationale which isn't an argument at all or and doesn't demonstrate that a BEFORE has been done.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, while leaving open the possibility of a merge with Balderdash and Piffle as part of normal editing. It seems like both are independently notable so I don't think a merge is strictly necessary, but they're so closely related that I can see how a single article might be more reader-friendly. That being said, I don't feel particularly strongly about it and I do see the benefit of separating out the television show/books from the wider OED appeal. So keep for the purposes of AfD, and neutral on the possibility of merging in future. MCE89 (talk) 00:38, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, Wordhunt has been covered in many reliable and notable sources. While merging it with Balderdash and Piffle could be considered since the topics are closely related, this is more of an editing decision and doesn't mean the article should be deleted. The current article can be improved and expanded. It should be kept, and any discussion about merging can happen later. - The9Man Talk 15:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Tse with long left leg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Probably does not pass GNG; no significant coverage. Janhrach (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Janhrach (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: At least please consider a redirect(at least two obvious targets) -Mushy Yank. 01:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Noting that a "redirect" result is only feasible if a target is clearly identified.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Beeblebrox Beebletalks 22:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)- Abkhaz alphabet; Tse (Cyrillic) (technically a merge) are suitable targets. -Mushy Yank. 08:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Two different Redirect target articles suggested. Can we settle on one?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Tse (Cyrillic) ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 03:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)