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Josh Brar

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Unable to satisfy WP:GNG. Lack of significant coverage. B-Factor (talk) 14:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pep Love

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Questionable notoriety. Only one source which is an interview, therefore a primary source.. not enough to establish notoriety SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect: to the Hierophyphics article, seems to be only known in relation to that group. Oaktree b (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Autumn League

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I cannot find any significant coverage in reliable sources. They premiered a music video on HM, but there's no other significant news coverage or reviews or such from that publication. I checked Cross Rhythms as well, as sometimes Google skips that source lately, but there's nothing there at all. Also important to note that the article creator, User:Metalworker14, was recently banned for undisclosed paid editing, and a connection was established between the individual from that account and working for Rottweiler Records, a label the band here in question was signed to. 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Also third reference link is dead. Teraplane (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toarn

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All coverage of the band that I can find is press releases and/or short blurbs. There's no significant, independent coverage in reliable sources. Note that this article was created by User:Metalworker14, who is now banned for paid editing, frequently had COIs with the articles they created, and, as was eventually self-disclosed, some of the sources cited here were written by Metalworker14 as their day job. 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Madhvi Madhukar

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Fails WP:SINGER. While she has received some media coverage, it appears to be largely sensationalistic. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Little Blue Crunchy Things

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This article does not indicate how the band are notable per WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. It looks like they had some popularity around Milwaukee but I can't find significant discussion of them in other reliable sources. Google search brings up results in the usual social media sources and music databases but nothing that indicates they meet Wikipedia's criteria. ... discospinster _talk 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandre Réis

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Non notable businessman. Most of the sources in this article are about a Brazilian musician called Alee, born in Bahia, not about the Angolan businessman Alexandre Réis, who this article says was born in Luanda. The only article that talks about Reis is this one [1], which seems too promotional. It also looks like the creator of this article has been checkuser blocked on ptwiki. Badbluebus (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment article creator (and four other sock accounts that have edited it) have been indefinitely blocked: see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/3ydepartment. The AFD has to continue though, as it's ineligible for db-banned, and probably ineligible for db-spam. Wikishovel (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete: per nom + COI + Fake referencing FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Janski_Beeeats

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Articles for deletion/Janski Beeeats

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Does not meet notability requirements for WP:MUSICBIO or WP:CREATIVE. Further notes: 750 monthly listeners on spotify, 3014 followers on soundcloud, 6.8k followers on facebook, 1.8 subscribers on youtube, 1543 followers on instagram, 126 followers on X. Can't find record of artist in french music charts. One album on an indie label (Police Records) second album 'Holiday' appears to be self published via Distrokid. One song on a movie soundtrack (Missions, 2017). Award mentioned was won at a music fesitval - no mention of these awards on that festival's wikipedia page, so it doesn't seem to meet the 'major music award' requirement. Real name: Jean-Sébastien Vermalle (573 monthly listeners on spotify)- appears to have details on imbd but little other internet coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Krishna McKenzie

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Article does not appear to meet WP:NBIO from a Google search and so should be deleted or redirected to Samayal Express. Sahaib (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article is a stub being expanded. Google News has credible sources. The individual's notability does not exclusively come from Samayal Express, thus should not be redirected there. EelamStyleZ (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, I apologise for violating WP:NPPHOUR, I am new to the job and was a bit too eager to reduce the backlog. Sahaib (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Amnesty (band)

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Appears to fail WP:NBAND and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - As a collector of classic funk I have seen brief references to this band over the years, with their sole early 70s album popping up occasionally as one of those lost rarities of interest to geeks like Kanye West. Here's an example: [2]. Unfortunately, they simply did not achieve reliable media coverage, with their 1970s tenure only barely visible in funk history books today, and their 2000s reunion being ignored by more modern media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Danish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards

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This seems to be a textbook case of a non-encyclopaedic cross-categorisation that does not warrant a stand-alone article. Similar case to List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards, List of Belgian artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards, List of Russian artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards and List of Finnish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. My arguments for deletion remain exactly the same as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. I don't see any WP:RS taking significant notice of the phenomenon of Danish artists being nominated for the MTV Europe Music Awards. The sources recently added verify that Aqua, Junior Senior and Lukas Graham were respectively nominated for various awards at the MTV Europe Music Awards but, importantly, none of the sources discuss all 3 artists as a group nor is there any extended commentary on their Danish nationality. In fact, only the Variety source seems to make any reference to Denmark. I did a quick WP:BEFORE and couldn't find any news sources writing about this phenomenon. It seems to be a list for the sake of having a list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support Does not seem to merit a stand-alone article per above. Uffda608 (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of artists from Northern Ireland nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards

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This seems to be a textbook case of a non-encyclopaedic cross-categorisation that does not warrant a stand-alone article. Similar case to List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards, List of Belgian artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards, List of Russian artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards and List of Finnish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. My arguments for deletion remain exactly the same as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. I don't see any WP:RS taking significant notice of the phenomenon of Northern Irish artists being nominated for the MTV Europe Music Awards. The sources recently added verify that D:Ream, Therapy? and Snow Patrol have had nominations but their 'Northern Irish-ness' is not a major talking point nor are they discussed as a group. It seems to be a list for the sake of having a list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ram Krishna Bantawa

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV as per Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!}. Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Rahmatula786,

I hope this message finds you well.

Thank you for raising concerns about the article on Ram Krishna Bantawa. I firmly believe the article meets the requirements outlined in Wikipedia’s WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV guidelines. Below is an explanation supporting this assertion:

Notability as an Author (WP:NAUTHOR):

Ram Krishna Bantawa is a recognized author and lyricist in Nepali literature. He is known for his novel Saghan Tuwanlo (Shrill Mist) and novel Amalai Chithi (Letter to Mother-whose English translation is forthcoming.) His work has made a significant cultural impact, particularly within the Nepali community.
His lyrics and songs are available on platforms such as YouTube.
Saghan Tuwanlo is included in the curriculum of Tribhuvan University, highlighting its academic and cultural significance.His novels address meaningful societal issues such as women’s rights, untouchability, and Sati Pratha (the practice of widow immolation), further emphasizing his contributions to literature and social discourse.

Significant Coverage (WP:SIGCOV):

Independent and reliable media outlets, including Kantipur, Annapurna Post, and various Hong Kong-based Nepali newspapers, have provided coverage of Bantawa’s work. This demonstrates his influence in Nepali literature and music.
He has been featured in interviews and podcasts that delve into his life, literary contributions, and societal impact, providing further evidence of significant independent coverage.
Bantawa has received several awards and certificates from reputable organizations, including:Nepalese Literary Academy Hong Kong , Heavenly Path Hong Kong , Charu Sahitya Pratisthan , Hong Kong Nepalese Federation , Lyricist Association of Nepal

The article references independent and verifiable sources that discuss Ram Krishna Bantawa’s work in detail. Taken collectively, these factors satisfy the standards for inclusion in Wikipedia under WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV.

If additional information or sources are required to further support this assertion and enhance the article, I would be happy to assist.

Best regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 09:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel you know the person very well so you are aware of so many information. When i search on internet , I hardly find anything of significance covered in reputable media outlet about him .

regarding references, plz go through all the references, and let me know if a single source in reputable Nepali media from NPOV meeting WP criteria. If your have such sources plz put it here other than what you have kept in references. Plz note that sources in reference are not of significance. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rahmatula786,

Thank you for your message. I want to clarify that I do not personally know the person. The information I’ve provided is based solely on my research.

I understand your concerns regarding the importance of meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria. Unfortunately, there is limited online information due to the lack of archived articles in Nepali media. However, I have collected pictures of old newspaper articles about the author, including coverage from Nepali Hong Kong newspapers during a book launch press meet.

I believe the article is written from a neutral point of view. While I cannot attach the offline sources here, I’d be happy to share them via email. Additionally, I can provide relevant YouTube(https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ram+Krishna+Bantawa) links of his Songs, Interviews. Please let me know how you’d like to proceed.

I look forward to your guidance and support, as I am currently gathering resources and information for my next article of Nepali Singer "Kuma Sagar" . Your insights will be invaluable in helping me refine my work. Please let me know how best to proceed.

Best Regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia's guidelines, contributors are discouraged from writing about individuals they personally know to maintain neutrality and avoid conflicts of interest. I can assure you that I have no personal connection with, nor do I know, the author.

In my case, I refrained from including details about the author's awards and certificates, as I was unsure about their accuracy and could not verify them through reliable sources all i had were photographs of certificates and some mentions in newspapers. However, I conducted thorough research and included information about the author's books, song lyrics, and album, as these are well-documented and publicly available.

I can provide you with ISBN of the books they were published through Sajha Publications and ASIA 2000 Ltd. Also you can search in youtube for his songs and interviews. I can additionally provide you with offline sources(Newspaper Articles, Magazines) relating to the author. Rasilshrestha (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Devstacks

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Save for this Pitchfork album review I can't find any WP:significant coverage of this person in reliable sources. Certainly none of the three sources currently in the article qualify as such Mach61 00:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jack C. Mancino

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This article about an Hungarian-born British artist, actor and musician is poorly sourced. Large sections of text are unreferenced. There are seven inline citations, of which five are to IMDb. The one to the Chicago Tribune is geo-locked for me. The other just says "Feszültség és szabadság Lisszabonban", and has been tagged as needing a full citation since 2020. Googling the phrase led me to https://holdkatlan.hu/index.php/szemle/lapszemle/3559-feszultseg-es-szabadsag-lisszabonban which doesn't appear to mention this person, although I do not understand Hungarian. The list of external links doesn't include any reliable sources which could be added as references. I have carried out WP:BEFORE for Jack C. Mancino, Jack Mancino and the alternative name given, Balogh Csaba, and not found references to add. There is an artist called Csaba Balogh who may be notable, but his year and place of birth are different. I don't think this article demonstrates that Mancino meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NARTIST, WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN. Tacyarg (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! 1. please clarify which "Large sections of text are unreferenced". The newly inserted sections are films and music will be sourced soon. IMDb is a good source for referencing filmographies. Can Soundcloud, Amazon, Spotify or Apple Music or any other streaming site for music be used for referencing discographies? Thank you for helping. 2. It is possible that the owner of the referenced link has changed their site that was correct when it was inserted. This page has been on Wikipedia more than 15 years. Karlmayer5000 (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The whole of the Biography section is unreferenced, as is the sub-section Early classical stage under Work, and the sub-section Music in the section Acting credits and accolades. IMDb is not a reliable source: see WP:IMDb. The other sites you mention are not reliable sources, but I don't believe discographies need sourcing - as with bibliographies, the existence of the works can be assumed. Tacyarg (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you very much. Can you please point me web platforms that qualifies as good source of references to understand the policies. Karlmayer5000 (talk) 06:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the reliable sources link and the guidance on your Talk page. The teahouse may also be helpful. Tacyarg (talk) 07:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jack C. Mancino has written several comic books. Can I link them as references in the section I am about to make on this page called: Author?

Source link: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jack-C-Mancino/author/B0BZJGN477?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true NorAnditoth5 (talk) 10:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon is not a reliable source. If there are reviews of these books in reliable sources, those would be appropriate references. Tacyarg (talk) 10:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Can't find any significant coverage anywhere. The first citation refers to this site, which does not provide significant coverage. The Tribune piece just contains a trivial mention. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the Chicago Tribune article he was mentioned by the writer in connection with a Hollywood photographer's art painting collection and in the article Mr. Mancino's works were positively compared to Jean-Michel Basquiat who was one of America's most iconic abstract artists. 37.76.13.207 (talk) 09:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please log in and only use a single account when commenting. (Assuming you are User:Karlmayer5000 and/or User:NorAnditoth5) The artist was only mentioned in a single sentence. A brief mention by a photographer is a clear example of trivial coverage, nowhere near the significant coverage requirement for a source to count towards notability as Wikipedia defines it. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have a message from Wiki not to comment with Karl Mayer,,,I dont know the reason. You guys look like just want to delete the article anyway so go ahead! Karlmayer5000 (talk) 07:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia cant accept bio from the artists own mouth, that really needs an update, this article was created in 2009 used by wikipedia, there are many articles with much fewer sources still on wiki. Wiki must be about info and not about notability. Not every artist pays for mainstream articles to get attention. 2001:4C4E:28C4:3000:5DBE:155A:35DD:2FCE (talk) 08:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I am unable to find reliable sourcing for the biographical or artistic claims made in this article. Source assessment of current sources below. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTK2uNBdUZE	self published interview	✘ No
Feszültség és szabadság Lisszabonba	incomplete citation	? Unknown
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2013/05/18/working-art-3/	paywall	? Unknown
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14840232/	IMDB	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8503240/	IMDB	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13094566/	IMDB	✘ No
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/148014120-felix-gruber	Goodreads listing	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Comment. NorAnditoth5 (talk · contribs), I'm a bit baffled by the reference you have just added to muveszkek.hu. When I put the article through translation, it says, in part, "Born in the heart of the Renaissance era, Mancino was an individual who dared to dream, to ask questions and dared to create". Mancino was not born during the Renaissance - is this a reliable source? Tacyarg (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glokk40Spaz

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Fails WP:GNG. Laun chba ller 01:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -Charitably it is too soon. In his first AfD about a year ago, he got one "weak keep" vote because he is signed to Columbia Records, but that is not enough. He is listed at the company website: [3], but with no supporting info ("Read More" leads nowhere). I can find no information from the label about any promotion of his releases or if they even released anything by him yet, despite what this article says. Meanwhile, he has no coverage in reliable music media and his stuff remains self-released on the usual platforms. Good luck to him if that big label puts in some effort, but nothing has yet happened to generate material for an article here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

T S Ayyappan

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Subject doesn't appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : It is a stub article and I am working on it. Moreover he passes multiple criteria of WP:NSINGER. He has sung in over 20 feature films in various languages for the prominent music composers including A R Rahman under various major record labels and national chart topper songs. He was won major music awards including Dada Saheb Phalke Film Festival Award. He has been featured in Times of India, Indian Express, Malayala Manorama etc. passing the Criteria 1,2,5,6,8, 9 and 10 of WP:NSINGER Taurussun (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - a made up in one day award; only reliable coverage is in the Times of India, and as experienced editors know, it has become deprecated. So the subject doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hoffland

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Musician that does not meet the requirements of WP:GNG. He's released four albums but the first two were independent releases (the other two are on obscure labels). A Google search finds social media presence but no sign of significant coverage. Pichpich (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As the nom said, I can only locate social media for this person. No media reviews or stories about this person. Not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV, WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - there's evidence of touring in Michigan and Wisconsin, but that doesn't seem to be enough to pass WP:NBAND. Bearian (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GobbleHoof

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The article has merely 2 sentences (for the past 10 years). Not enough reliable, verifiable, independent sources providing enough information to write a reasonably detailed article on the subject. The article seems highly unlikely to grow beyond a stub per WP:PERMASTUB. Rainydaywindows (talk) 06:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:NBAND bullet 5, having released two albums on New Alliance Records which has an article which shows that they had like 20 blue-linked bands on the label, including Hüsker Dü. I guess that makes them "one of the more important indie labels" which is what WP:NBAND wants. (Info from Discogs.

Also meets WP:GNG which wants two sources that are somewhere north of a passing mention in a single sentence (how far north it doesn't say). Here is bit in Trouser Press which has an article and which even I've heard of, with a full paragraph. Refs indicate that Spin (magazine), famous magazine, is claimed to have some material on the band (Jan 1993 - Page 36 Vol. 8, No. 10)) -- can't tell how much but at least a full sentence, probably more. There is your GNG right there, and to round it out there's a passing mention in The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, and an Italian book ("The Night Elvis Came Out of the Grave"), and another book (" I Found My Friends: The Oral History of Nirvana"). They really just barely pass WP:GNG so it's debatable, but that's just the refs from the article, there might be more out there, and anyway they pass WP:NBAND also. (The article itself is not super great yet but there's enough there to make an acceptable article, couple paragraphs.) Herostratus (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Herostratus. I'm just not seeing enough material from which to develop a "reasonably detailed article" – it seems like a classic WP:PERMASTUB. The article has been around for 10 years and hasn't grown beyond a couple of sentences. Even if we could grow it to a couple of paragraphs, I'm not seeing how the article would ever grow beyond a stub short of adding puffery, padding, and undue weight. With borderline notability at best, I'm struggling to see a case to keep it. Rainydaywindows (talk) 05:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get you. Yes its marginal. However, I don't think that couple of good-sized paragraphs is a stub; it's just a short article. We have lots of articles that short. It's kind of a judgement/opinion call. I'm saying keep because 1) they do squeak past NBAND, 2) it could be expanded to (my view of) a reasonable size, and 3) it's already made and not hurting anyone, so why bother to delete it. OTOH it's getting only two views a day which over the years will probably drop even lower....

I'm too tired/lazy to edit the article, but we have got a "Between crazy sick blues and hardcore, the baritone voice of Charlie Nakajima, the singer of the group, stands out. With the single "Headbanger," released the following year, Gobble Hoof offers, in the title track and in Shotgun, strange visions of splatter..." [maybe there's more] and " ...Gobblehoof — This band is in a constant battle with demons and I am interested in following its struggle to see who will come out on top..." [maybe there's more, and that is SPIN] and it's got a blulinked member (J Mascis) who was also in the notable Dinosaur Jr, but OTOH GobbleHoof isn't mentioned in Mascis' article... you've got "...Far less ponderous than it might seem on paper, GobbleHoof butts heads like a dark-hearted metal band, but never... [maybe there's more] and a couple passing mentions... Blulinked Tim Aaron was in the band, and there's a link to this article, which if deleted would go black... I dunno. All in all, my view is that it just squeezes over the bar. Herostratus (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Herostratus I have identified and added several independent critical reviews of the band's music - please have a look - because it's starting to look like a more solid keep. ResonantDis_tortion 10:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks. Somebody should WP:HEY these things in, but let George do it lol. Herostratus (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards Keep. Further to the above - I have added citations to the article with non-trivial secondary coverage of the band's work. This includes that notable musician J Mascis played drums on the bands debut EP. I have also identified that Metal Hammer reviewed Freezerburn, but I am unable to source the actual article (see [4]). Sufficient here to build a start class article in my view - and also evidence to presume offline sources do exist. ResonantDis_tortion 11:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article now has a number of additional references to reliable sources coverage in multiple publications so that together there is enough coverage for a pass of WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Corina

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No significant coverage in reliable sources. Easily fails WP:MUSICBIO and now a target of a promotional farm. Even this older version I reverted to might fall into the WP:PROMO category. Jalen Barks (Woof) 05:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:MUSICBIO) category. Sources provided in the article fail WP:V with some of them being considered generally unreliable (WP:RSP). Articles available online are mostly user generated content that do not meet WP:RS and WP:IS criteria. QEnigma talk 13:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Mekons per WP:BANDMEMBER. As it stands, there is insufficient to warrant individual notability. On current evidence, and in searches, most mentions of Corina in RS appears to be in context of the Mekons band, therefore this should be considered as an WP:ATD. If further coverage surfaces in due course, then the article can be easily resuscitated. ResonantDis_tortion 12:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bowers

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Came across this article when I tried to link Mike Bowers in a draft I'm working on and linked to this instead. BLP article with no sources, appears to be written by someone with a COI given the specificity of some of the details. I did a search for sources and coverage but was unable to find anything. There is another musician with a similar name (Michael D. Bowers) who has some coverage, but that does not appear to be the person this article is about. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Why doesn't the musician "Michael D. Bowers" that you mentioned have his own article if he has some coverage?

JekyllTheFabulous (talk) 22:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Lack of reliable sources so we are unable to prove notability. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 00:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing found for this singer in my search. Article is largely unsourced, so we have no way of confirming what's correct. Appears to be only a working musician, nothing for our notability purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Cannot find any reliable sources establishing notability. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not !voting, because I have six mutual friends on Facebook with his spouse, Siobhan Quinn, and we have probably met back in the early 2000s. In any case, to get to NBAND, there needs to be evidence of touring in reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 02:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bruz Fletcher

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The article was previously deleted; it was ‘Created by a banned or blocked user (CarmenEsparzaAmoux) in violation of ban or block’. Due to this, I also believe the author (Keyofz) should be blocked. Diegg24 (talk) 20:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not know the user CarmenEsparzaAmoux. I have been creating and editing Wiki pages for 17 years under this ID and have created over 40 new pages. I recently discovered the work of Bruz Fletcher and feel his historical significance is important and merits a Wiki entry. Keyofz (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I would be interested in reading the AFD for the deleted entry and I have no opinion about banning the users mentioned. (Blocks seem out scope for this discussion.) But given that the subject is the focus of at least two historical organizations, an academic journal article, and several contemporary newspaper articles, I think entry meets WP:GNG. -- Jaireeodell (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There wasn't an AFD discussion for the previously deleted page. It was deleted under speedy deletion criterion G5. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article clearly passes GNG, he has just enough coverage in several reliable sources to meet GNG. Noah ^💬 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable. 885 results on Newspapers.com (including [5], [6] and [7]). 18 results on Google Scholar. Add in Google Books. There's enough there. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - In agreement with the voters above, though the article's prose needs to be toned down a bit. It appears that the suggestion to block the creator of this version of the article was made without proper investigation. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having arrived at a consensus on notability, can we please remove the AfD flag? Keyofz (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the usual procedure, a deletion discussion remains open for one week in case someone comes along with a different argument. An Admin will make a decision around January 5th, and I bet this article will survive. An uninvolved editor could also invoke the snowball clause if it's really obvious, but patience will eventually be rewarded. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, your perspective is appreciated. Have a happy new year. Keyofz (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree with the apparent consensus above, based on the sources used in the article and those I found googling. The article could definitely use some copyediting, though. --Tserton (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it could use a blue pencil but there's plenty of significant coverage on the subject. Being edited by a banned user doesn't automatically result in deleting. Bearian (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain "being edited by a banned user" as it relates to this article? I created the article and am not a banned user. Thanks for clarification. Keyofz (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan T. Murphy

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This BLP doesn't feel notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. BlunanNation (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. He has received non-trivial coverage here and here. According to this deletion discussion, Deseret News is independent enough from the LDS Church to be considered reliable, however this subject has been brought up numerous times, such as this discussion in 2016. I would be lying if I said any sort of consensus has officially been reached. Jordano^5³ 18:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call either link as meeting SIGCOV. The former is overwhelmingly of quotes from Murphy, and is plainly an interview of him. The second is a short press release. Ravenswing 20:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Tabernacle Choir#Music directors where Murphy is mentioned, with sources and some relevant information which I just added. Couldn't find any additional coverage beyond the one article I included there from Ensign, and I agree with Ravenswing about the lack of SIGCOV from the two Deseret News articles mentioned above. The first piece doesn't even say that much about Murphy, just asks his thoughts on an unrelated incident that happened to take place in his hometown (which of course was a very notable incident, but regardless, the connection is tenuous). Unopposed to a delete without redirect if it is preferred. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as a reasonable alternative to deleting outright. I find this subject's choir to be treacly and maudlin, but it's very popular (across denominations) and he appears to be in the running to take over as head music director. Bearian (talk) 03:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Irving Scott

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Non-notable magician. No sigcov provided for this story-like article to distinguish it from a hoax. Jdcooper (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete References are just random archived message board postings. Unable to find any coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 07:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there are a number of book sources referenced in the article that need assessment and this entry here links to several books and listing of 2 magazine articles about him, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

West of Scotland Schools Symphony Orchestra

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Last AfD was 17 years ago and no consensus. I'm not seeing any extensive coverage to meet GNG or WP:BAND. LibStar (talk) 18:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - not enough WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. See below. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books link above produces false positives only. Google News link above produces single sentence mentions, or people claiming to have been part of the orchestra. Searched The Wikipedia Library, no results for WSSSO, one result for the full name, which is a single sentence mention in this article. Google Scholar produces three results, of which both the second result (download link) and the third result both only mention the orchestra twice while referencing the research done by the first result. The first result is the only SIGCOV I could find. The researchers administered an online survey to 41 WSSSO youth in 2009 containing many Likert-style questions about their experience, and three open-ended questions: "why did you decide to take part ... why do you continue to take part ... what would stop you taking part? The article is entitled "Advanced youth music ensembles: Experiences of, and reasons for, participation", so it seems to discuss the experiences of being in an ensemble, rather than being a comprehensive history of WSSSO. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Update - found 32 results on Newspapers.com. First result is SIGCOV, founding of the orchestra. But the rest of the results are more sketchy and WP:ROUTINE - advertisements, concert announcements and single sentence mentions (Person X is joining the orchestra / the orchestra is performing at location Y). I do not think this is enough. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Amaire Johnson

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Another case of a songwriter with prolific credits with notable musicians, but who has received little to no coverage of their own. In this case, there is that Visionary Artist Magazine (source I've never heard of and cannot speak to its reliability) piece, though I can only see the first paragraph of it for some reason. But that alone is not a sufficient amount of coverage, and the rest is just Johnson's name being brought up in the context of credits on other artists' songs without any in-depth discussion of Johnson's contributions. None of this applies to NBAND's standards. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Associated with major acts, but nothing strictly about this individual. The NPR and CBC articles are about different people. I'm not seeing enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the "different people" the NPR and CBC articles discuss are the two acts that employ Amaire Johnson as a music director: rappers Big Sean and Ab-soul. The CBC article confirms that Amaire was signed to Big Sean's label once Big Sean began to separate himself from Kanye West and establish an independent label imprint, and the NPR articles reveal that Amaire was tasked with music direction and/or performance for both rappers on their respective acclaimed Tiny Desk appearances. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 19:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but the point Oaktree is making is that the subjects of those articles are Big Sean and Ab-Soul, not Amaire Johnson, and that Johnson is only mentioned once by name in the CBC article and only in the credits for the NPR performances. These are passing mentions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sources show that the subject is notable. Esti92 (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what way, especially that contradicts what Oaktree and I wrote above? Note that no additional sources have been added since I initiated this discussion, just Category:Year of birth missing (living people). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Took a little break for Christmas and just found out that you nominated this article for deletion. Added a few additional supporting sources, more categories, and made some needed copyedit "tweaks". I'll keep you posted on future changes. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 15:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second ever edit of Esti92. Geschichte (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The only sources added since the launch of this discussion are a YouTube interview (reliability? certainly a primary source) and the "Best Produced Track" designation from XXL (not even a complete sentence of prose). I do not think the recent edits bring this any closer to notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zorch

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seems to fail gng by... a lot. according to a previous afd, they might be notable, but the complete lack of sources, inappropriate external links (why myspace?), and the fact that results have become an unusable mush of miscellaneous companies, cryptobro jargon, pizzerias, and chex quest jokes lead me to believe that a tnt is due, and there's only a chance that it will get recreated consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 18:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly fails all criteria on NMusician. No evidence of passing GNG either, I can't find any evidence of the existence of the band in major English or Ameican press.

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