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This is the 8th Archive of Typhoon2013's talk page. Archive 8 includes events during 2020.

Welcome to the 2020 WikiCup!

Happy New Year, Happy New Decade and Happy New WikiCup! The competition begins today and all article creators, expanders and improvers are welcome to take part. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. We are relaxing the rule that only content on which you have completed significant work during 2020 will count; now to be eligible for points in the competition, you must have completed significant work on the content at some time! Any questions on the rules or on anything else connected to the Cup should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. Good luck! The judges for the WikiCup are Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email), Godot13 (talk · contribs · email), Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included L293D, Kingsif, Enwebb, Lee Vilenski and CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup newsletter correction

There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter; L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead, Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Typhoon Phanfone

Hello, Typhoon2013,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Hughesdarren and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged Typhoon Phanfone for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. You may find our guide for writing quality articles to be extremely informative.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. If the page is already deleted by the time you come across this message and you wish to retrieve the deleted material, please contact the deleting administrator.

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Hughesdarren (talk) 21:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

webcitation.org

FYI: [1] I believe you are the editor adding these? It's creating link rot in many articles. Use the original URL in the |url= field as designed, or it creates link rot. Archive providers stop working - we can move it to a different archive provider, but it we don't know the original/source |url= then it's a goner. - GreenC 14:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@GreenC: I would be very surprised if Typhoon2013 was responsible for the addition of the links you mention - bearing in mind that he has only edited the article in question 7 times and that the 2013 in his name is deliberate.Jason Rees (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

You are correct my apologies. It was added by the article creator. -- GreenC 00:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Typhoon Committee

FYI the Typhoon Committee meeting was cancelled this year, as a result we can not out any names down as retired yet.Jason Rees (talk) 20:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Yep I was already aware. I thought they would be delaying the meeting until the end of May, though? From the last page of this. -- Typhoon2013 01:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Well lets wait and see how things play out as its likely going to be postponed again if things continue as they are! However, if you were already aware that the meeting was cancelled, why did you re-add the retired names the other day? Jason Rees (talk) 23:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: I do not recall re-adding the retired names "the other day". However would this count? -- Typhoon2013 01:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

No it doesnt count as it is just a DRAFT as a result until the committee meets we can not add them in.Jason Rees (talk) 18:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Proof

Do you have any proof of this? I feel like I've ran into a similar problem before. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 21:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Yellow Evan: As per my edit in the 1992 PTS, Gary turned out to be "Ditang". No other TCs formed between Gary and Janis with the exception of Irving that was within the PAR. I have emailed PAGASA recently once again to provide a source of confirmed PAGASA storms from 1989 through to 1996. My source that I have used to confirm about Gary is in the 1992 talk page. -- Typhoon2013 01:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The 40th Edition of The Hurricane Herald

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Newsletter/Archive 40

WikiCup 2020 May newsletter

The second round of the 2020 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 75 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top ten contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 186 good articles achieved in total by contestants, and the 355 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in round 2 were:

Epicgenius, with 2333 points from one featured article, forty-five good articles, fourteen DYKs and plenty of bonus points
Gog the Mild, with 1784 points from three featured articles, eight good articles, a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews and lots of bonus points
The Rambling Man, with 1262 points from two featured articles, eight good articles and a hundred good article reviews
Harrias, with 1141 points from two featured articles, three featured lists, ten good articles, nine DYKs and a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews
Lee Vilenski with 869 points, Hog Farm with 801, Kingsif with 719, SounderBruce with 710, Dunkleosteus77 with 608 and MX with 515.

The rules for featured article reviews have been adjusted; reviews may cover three aspects of the article, content, images and sources, and contestants may receive points for each of these three types of review. Please also remember the requirement to mention the WikiCup when undertaking an FAR for which you intend to claim points. Remember also that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth. - MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: Checkup

Hey there Typhoon2013! I'm doing OK - I've been busy in RL working (I'm lucky I still have a job!) and just trying to manage my sanity in general. I'm working on a few projects on Wikipedia, including trying to maintain 2005 AHS as FA, an active FAC for Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Mexico, and eventually getting Hurricane Wilma to FA. I'll probably be editing more as of next week, when one of my jobs finishes up (I teach music at a community college).

As for your question of getting an article to GA, there are a lot of things to do, but it's a few basic elements.

Is it comprehensive? Will a quick Google search reveal information that isn't in the article?
Are the sources reliable? Are you mostly using blogs or original research?
Is all of the content sourced? Do the citations use Template:Cite web, with proper entries for all of the related fields?
Is everything spelled right and the grammar makes sense?

If the answer to all of them is yes, then the article should pass a GA nomination pretty easily. That can be more difficult for costlier/deadlier storms, or for older storms. That's why most new users start with low-impact storms, or List articles. So, with all of that, do you have an article that you're eyeing toward improving? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: On a side not too, wow I really forgot you did music too! I am on to music too, and currently doing a music theory lecture in university. -- Typhoon2013 01:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah nice! Nothing like music theory to understand why songs work the way they do. As for your failed GAN's, it looks like the articles were pretty good. Tropical Storm Haikui (2017) looks the most incomplete of the three of them, as the MH is incomplete. It looks like the GA reviews identified what you can do for the articles, you just needed more time to finish them? Is that it? If that's the case, you should go back to the articles and clean them up, because they look pretty good :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Yep! I am more into composition, though, but music theory was the only available one for my timetable :( . And also yes, my plan is to work in those articles if I also have the same (but they will be my priority!) as I currently have loads of work in uni atm. Definitely will do it before tropical activity flares up again for sure. But yea I really want to complete those articles because I have been here editing for years without having a GA article. -- Typhoon2013 23:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Tropical status of Ex-Mangga

@Typhoon2013: The BOM has not provided any official product to say that the system has dissipated or transitioned into an extratropical low, and until that occurs, we cannot say that it has happened. Weakening below tropical cyclone status does not imply dissipation. By that logic, you could not even say the system has formed until it becomes a Category 1 tropical cyclone. Clearly that is not the case. In any case, the system is (as of 10:38 UTC on 23 May) still referred to as a tropical system in no fewer than 27 locations on the BOM website, and I only looked for five minutes. ChocolateTrain (talk) 10:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Since I do recall you being someone who looks more into the BoM website more so often than anyone else here then sure. I just would like to see what sources from the BoM state that if I may ask. In fact, we actually had a similar discussion regarding this with JR in May last year regarding Lorna, and as per JR, it is unclear from the BoM whether "weakening below TC status" could either mean a TL or an EXTC. For this moment I will accept your revert and my apologies, but of course, we will have to wait for the BT for the BoM's decision. -- Typhoon2013 11:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Usman

Thank you for creating Usman. Did you see the topic on the project talk page? Noah^Talk 12:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah: Oh no worries I got bored so I made it haha, and I did remember saying that this article was a HUGE must! And surprisingly I just saw the project talk page just now and wow. Well I mean feel free to tweak it a bit or something, this was a bit rushed I guess, but the prose needs working on for sure. -- Typhoon2013 12:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

if you would like to help with the topic, we still need a lot of work done in WPAC. Noah^Talk 12:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the two articles you have done thus far. Would you be able to help with getting a majority of the smaller storms up to C class as well? You don't need to do the large storms as they will require a group effort to complete. Noah^Talk 21:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah: Yep sure. The next two weeks for me however is pretty busy for me so I might have to reduce my edits. However this will be my main priorities now on the smaller storm articles. I will try my best to raise as many of these articles to higher standard this year. :) -- Typhoon2013 23:30, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tropical Storm Nanmadol (2017)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Tropical Storm Nanmadol (2017) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Yellow Evan -- Yellow Evan (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Happy birthday!

Good afternoon, my name is Rebestalic

I happen to be a fellow New Zealander and hail from ~~a city that's better than yours~~ a more populous city up north. I was curious to know who updated the New Zealand statistics for COVID-19 today, and there you were

Now, to the point--I was immediately drawn by a rather large picture of a hurricane on your userpage. One of your superimposed userboxes shows that you have recently turned eighteen. So, yes, happy birthday fellow New Zealander

Rebestalic^{[leave a message....]} 02:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rebestalic: sorry for the late reply, but thank you so much! I see you're from New Zealand too though hehe. :) -- Typhoon2013 01:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

41st edition of The Hurricane Herald

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Newsletter/Archive 41

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter

The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
The Rambling Man , with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tropical Storm Nanmadol (2017)

The article Tropical Storm Nanmadol (2017) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Tropical Storm Nanmadol (2017) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Yellow Evan -- Yellow Evan (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Your 2018 articles

Hey, I was just wondering if you had considered GANing any of your 2018 articles? I am hoping we can get a GT done before KN has to leave in January (for an extensive time period). Noah^Talk 23:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah: Hi. Yea sorry for the reduced work, study has really been the priority hence why my edits are really just the updating of the WPac storms :( Very fortunately though, I am in a mid tri break right now, so I could re-look at my 2018 articles. However if you are specifically looking at an actual 2018 storm, then the closest article for me to do a GAN is Usman. :) Where is Keane going on January? Haven't been active on discord lol omg so sorry I'll really owe it up to you. -- Typhoon2013 10:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

And yeah I'll look at Usman for the time being. I just need to relook at sources and find any missing information. I don't want it to become another Nanmadol where it took 2 GANs and took a while haha. -- Typhoon2013 10:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tropical Depression Usman

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Tropical Depression Usman you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hurricane Noah -- Hurricane Noah (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

42nd edition of The Hurricane Herald!

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Newsletter/Archive 42

Usman

I hope you aren't discouraged on Usman.... It will require some work and I may be too strict on reviewing as I try to go to FA a lot nowadays, but I just want to help you improve your writing and research. Noah^Talk 17:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tropical Depression Usman

The article Tropical Depression Usman you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Tropical Depression Usman for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hurricane Noah -- Hurricane Noah (talk) 11:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

43rd edition of The Hurricane Herald

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Newsletter/Archive 43

WikiCup 2020 November newsletter

The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is Lee Vilenski (submissions), the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by Gog the Mild (submissions). In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. The Rambling Man (submissions) was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with Epicgenius (submissions) close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were Hog Farm (submissions), HaEr48 (submissions), Harrias (submissions) and Bloom6132 (submissions). The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.

Gog the Mild (submissions) wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
Bloom6132 (submissions) win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
Rhododendrites (submissions) wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
Lee Vilenski (submissions) wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
Epicgenius (submissions) wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
MPJ-DK (submissions) wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
The Rambling Man (submissions) wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
Epicgenius (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
Bloom6132 (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Tropical Low 01U

@Typhoon2013: Hi there! I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to let you know why I think it's best that we write "Tropical Low 01U" rather than just "01U" in the strongest storm section of the main infobox. The layman—for whom the article is primarily written—is not going to know what 01U means without any context. There's no way of knowing whether it's a tropical cyclone or a tropical low or something else unless you're familiar with the BOM's conventions or Wikipedia's conventions, neither of which can be assumed of the average reader. Listing the system as "Tropical Low 01U" makes it clear to the reader exactly what the system is, rather than just giving an identifier code which doesn't mean anything to most people. This isn't an issue when the strongest system is a named tropical cyclone, because most people will be able to infer that the strongest storm being, for example, "Yasi", means a tropical cyclone called Yasi. We wouldn't need to write Tropical Cyclone Yasi in such an instance, because it's obvious. Just thought I'd clear up my reasoning here. ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

On a side note: TCWC Perth, Darwin and Brisbane are gone instead the BoM is operating as 1 TCWC.Jason Rees (talk) 14:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I actually don't think it is a problem to have Tropical Low or not. The windspeed is given alongside the 'name' of that low so people know how strong it became. Besides, this is a puny low that pretty much affected nothing and the public at large had no idea the low existed.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Hope you are doing well too! Yeah you have made a good point and I do agree. Honestly as per what @CyclonicallyDeranged: has mentioned I do not mind on adding it or not, besides this is for sure going to be temporary as we got stronger named storms soon. -- Typhoon2013 04:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

44th edition of The Hurricane Herald!

Volume XLIV, Issue 44, December 1, 2020
←(Previous issues) 41 · 42 · 43 · 44 · 45 →

The Hurricane Herald: Happy Thanksgiving Edition!

The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from October 5–November 30, 2020. This edition's editors and authors are SMB99thx, Weatherman27, Chicdat, Hurricanehink, Cyclone Toby, Typhoon2013, and ChessEric. Please visit this page and bookmark any suggestions of interest to you. This will help improve the newsletter and other cyclone-related articles. Past editions can be viewed here.

WikiProject Tropical Cyclones: News & Developments

New articles since the last newsletter include:

New GA's include:

Featured Content

From October 5 to November 30, two featured articles were promoted:

From the Main Page documents WikiProject related materials that have appeared on the main page from October 5–November 30, 2020 in chronological order.

Today's Featured Article/List

There is currently one featured article candidate:

Meteorological history of Hurricane Michael

WikiProject To-Do

Here are some tasks you can do:

Requests: List of named storms from C to H and M to P, List of Eastern Pacific tropical depressions and other intensity lists, Pacific typhoon seasons from 1902 to 1938, Australian region cyclone seasons from 1963 to 1970, South Pacific cyclone seasons from 1958 to 1969, Tropical cyclones in 2002, 1870 Straits of Florida hurricane, 1864 Calcutta cyclone, Hurricanes in Mexico, Tropical cyclone effects by region, more...
Citation needed: Make sure articles like for example Pacific hurricane, Tropical cyclones in 2013 and Tropical cyclones in 2007 are cited properly.
Cleanup: Tropical cyclones in India, Tropical cyclones in Myanmar, Tropical cyclones in Sri Lanka, List of Texas hurricanes (pre-1900), Typhoon Faxai and other storms in 2019 Pacific typhoon season (and the season article itself), 2020 Pacific typhoon season
Expand: Indianola Hurricane of 1886, 1936 Mid-Atlantic hurricane, Seasonal summaries and global condition sections for nearly every tropical cyclones by year articles, Pacific hurricane season timelines and earlier season articles in 1950s, 1941/1942/1943/1944 Pacific typhoon seasons, List of named storms (J)/(K)/(T), Tropical Storm Fay (2008), Typhoon Winnie (1964)
Stubs: Typhoon Trix (1952), 1876 Bengal cyclone, 1971 Odisha cyclone, 1978 Sri Lanka cyclone, Typhoon Kathleen (1947), 1900s/1910s/1920s/1930s North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, 1900s/1920s/1930s Australian region cyclone seasons, more...
20th Anniversary push: some goals for the 20th year of Wikipedia (January 15, 2021!) include the creation or improvement of many other articles listed in the first section on the WPTC talk page.

Current assessment table

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As of this issue, there are 164 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 133 A-class articles, and 1,010 good articles. There are only 71 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 415 C-class articles, 788 start-class articles, and 182 stub-class articles, with 23 lists, and 9 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.

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Project Goals & Progress

The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.

250 featured pages: 91.2% complete

200 featured articles: 79.5% complete

1500 good articles: 73.1% complete

Storms of the month over the last year
Month	Storm
November 2020	Hurricane Iota
October 2020	Typhoon Goni (2020)
September 2020	Cyclone Ianos
August 2020	Hurricane Laura
July 2020	Hurricane Isaias
June 2020	Tropical Storm Cristobal (2020)
May 2020	Cyclone Amphan
April 2020	Cyclone Harold
March 2020	Cyclone Herold
February 2020	Cyclone Damien
January 2020	Cyclone Tino
December 2019	Cyclone Ambali
November 2019	Cyclone Bulbul
October 2019	Typhoon Hagibis

Storms of the month and other tropical activity for October and November

SotM for October: Typhoon Goni / Rolly
Typhoon Goni formed from east of The Philippines towards the end of October, just as Typhoon Molave ravaged the country. Taking in the plentiful favorable conditions, Goni, known as Rolly in The Philippines, explosively intensified into a Category-5 equivalent hurricane just three days after it became a tropical depression. An eyewall replacement cycle managed to curb its intensification. Goni finished the cycle a few hours before it made landfall, and explosively intensified again into winds of 195 mph (JTWC) and a pressure of 884 mbar. This allowed it to tie with typhoons Haiyan and Meranti as the strongest typhoon by wind speed. Goni made landfall at peak intensity, killing 25 people and causing US$368 million in damage.

SotM for November: Hurricane Iota
Hurricane Iota developed in the central Caribbean Sea in mid-November. Like Goni, it explosively intensified, strengthening 120 mph in 48 hours, and deepening 81 mbar in the same amount of time. Iota explosively strengthened late on November 15 and early on November 16, becoming a Category 5 hurricane at 15:00 UTC on the 16th. By the time Iota had achieved C5 intensity, three people were already dead in Colombia due to landslides. As the storm made landfall, and subsequently weakened and dissipated, adding to the destruction from Hurricane Eta. Iota killed at least 61 people.

Atlantic - Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Theta, Iota.

The active Atlantic hurricane season continued. In early October, Tropical Storm Gamma dissipated over the northern Yucatan and was absorbed by powerful Hurricane Delta, which was the season's third major hurricane. Delta weakened before hitting Quintana Roo, but restrengthened in the Gulf of Mexico, later hitting Louisiana as a low-end Category 2 hurricane in nearly the same location as Hurricane Laura in August. Delta killed six people and left US$4 billion in damage. A few days later, Hurricane Epsilon developed southeast of Bermuda, becoming a major hurricane and brushing the island to the east. Hurricane Zeta followed a similar path as Delta, striking Quintana Roo and later striking southeastern Louisiana as a Category 2 hurricane; it killed 8 people and left U$3 billion in damage. At the end of the month, Hurricane Eta developed, becoming a strong Category 4 hurricane before striking Nicaragua. After killing hundreds of people in Central America, Eta reformed in the northwestern Caribbean. It made another landfall in Cuba, moved over the Florida Keys, and briefly became a hurricane again in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, before weakening and striking Cedar Key, Florida as a tropical storm. In early November, Tropical Storm Theta developed from a non-tropical low and moved across the eastern Atlantic.

Eastern Pacific - Tropical Storm Norbert was the basin's only storm in October. It formed southwest of Mexico, though wind shear killed it off within a few days. Norbert then pulled a surprise on meteorologists: it regenerated into a tropical storm again on October 13, although it eventually dying again two days later. In early November, the season's next system, Tropical storm Odalys, formed, which remained weak off southwest Mexico. After an 11-day lull in activity, Tropical Storm Polo southwest of Mexico, which dissipated two days after its formation.
Western Pacific - In early October, Typhoon Chan-Hom passed south of Japan and turned to the southeast, dissipating after 12 days. A series of storms affected Vietnam, causing deadly floods that killed over 200 people. In short succession, tropical storms Linfa and Nangka struck the country. Typhoon Saudel moved across the Philippines and later struck Vietnam. Typhoon Molave crossed the central Philippines and later hit Vietnam, killing 71 people. After the powerful Typhoon Goni, Tropical Storm Atsani reached peak intensity southeast of Taiwan before dissipating. In early November, Tropical Storm Etau struck southeastern Vietnam, followed days later by Typhoon Vamco, which crossed the Philippines and hit central Vietnam.
2020 North Indian Ocean cyclone season - after a long hiatus, the season sprang to life with one deep depression and two tropical depressions in October. Deep Depression BOB 02 killed 98 people in Central India, and flooded the city of Hyderabad. The system redeveloped into a depression in the Arabian Sea. Later in the month, a depression struck West Bengal. In November, Cyclone Gati explosively intensified before hitting northeastern Somalia, becoming the strongest tropical cyclone on record there; Gati killed at least eight people after dropping more than a year's worth of rain. Later in the month, Cyclone Nivar struck southeastern India. As the month ended, another depression was developing east of Sri Lanka.
2020–21 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season - The season began in November when Tropical Cyclone Alicia formed in the central Indian Ocean, alongside a tropical depression.
2020–21 Australian region cyclone season - The season also began in November with a tropical low in the central Indian Ocean.

Member of the month (edition) – Robloxsupersuperhappyface

Robloxsupersuperhappyface joined Wikipedia in July of this year, and has become the most prolific tropical cyclone editor relating to current events, as well as playing an enormous role in creation of newly formed tropical cyclones that eventually became destructive in many regions they are affected in (Hurricane Sally to Gulf Coast of the United States, Typhoon Goni to the Philippines, and Hurricane Iota to Central America respectively - Also, both Goni and Iota are Storms of the Month!). Because of that reason, Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles are the one of the most viewed tropical cyclone articles in this year - as well as helped us on inviting prospective tropical cyclone editors to this project as they edited Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles, leading into why we have more than 100 members in this WikiProject leading to this issue. As the result of brilliant Robloxsupersuperhappyface's contributions, we want to give many, many thanks to Super for helping this WikiProject grow so much recently. Happy Thanksgiving!

New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter - project membership is over 100 now!

More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue. Sorted chronologically in order of which they joined.

Funnycomixking (talk · contribs)
JackGordean (talk · contribs) (Added to WPTC because of expressing interest directly)
ARegularWisconsinite (talk · contribs)
CyclonicStormYutu (talk · contribs)
ARay10 (talk · contribs)
Gex4pls (talk · contribs)
Nioni1234 (talk · contribs)
HurricaneTracker495 (talk · contribs)
Jangmi20 (talk · contribs) (Added to WPTC because of userbox)
Dannisom (talk · contribs) (Added to WPTC because of expressing interest directly)
Qwerty325 (talk · contribs)
Skarmory (talk · contribs)
Moline1 (talk · contribs)
HurricaneIcy (talk · contribs)
Beraniladri19 (talk · contribs)
Cristianpogi678 (talk · contribs)
Miguel 04012010 (talk · contribs)
Cyclonetracker (talk · contribs)
Dam222 (talk · contribs) (Added to WPTC because of userbox)
Hi 022828 (talk · contribs)
Elijahandskip (talk · contribs) (WikiProject Current Events Coordinator!)
TovarishhUlyanov (talk · contribs)
Animem 1 (talk · contribs)
Shift674 (talk · contribs)
HurricaneGeek (talk · contribs)
ThePelicanThing (talk · contribs)
FinnTheHurricaneFanatic (talk · contribs)
8medalkid (talk · contribs)
Vida0007 (talk · contribs)
TFESS (talk · contribs)
KILLERXR (talk · contribs)

To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!

Let's talk about that - An opinion piece by Weatherman27

Before I start, I would like to link everyone to a new essay regarding Force Thirteen. Here it is: WP:F13. I recommend users (old and new) to read this to understand why we don't use Force Thirteen as a source, and why it isn't a reliable source. If you want to see what good reliable sources are, read this: WP:WPTC/AS Now, I will get to the main point of this opinion piece.

Recently, I have gotten more involved in talk pages, and sharing my ideas and/or my opinions on different issues or ideas that have come up, primarily on 2020 Atlantic hurricane season's talk page. As I have discussed these thoughts and ideas with other editors, I have noticed and experienced some things such as being personally attacked, which has led me to want to reiterated some key points here. Despite the fact that they are mentioned commonly at the top of talk pages, I want to bring these up as it is important to have a good base where people can properly chat and discuss topics in peace.

1. Treat others with respect This one can't be stressed enough. Especially on talk pages, it is a place where you and your peers communicate issues, opinions, or ideas to each-other. This means discussing topics in a kind and adult manner. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing in what somebody may say, but that does not mean that you have the right to put them down for not having similar views. It is simply the Golden Rule.

2. Assume Good faith Along with my first point, I feel this one needs to be brought up. People have different opinions, and that is all right, but just because you may not agree with it or what they say, does not mean that it was not out of good faith. They were most likely voicing what they think on the subject, and that is alright. This also goes for edits. Unless it is pretty obvious that a user as vandalized something, it is always good to assume good faith, as other people might not know the rules as well as a more experienced editor.

3. Avoid Personal attacks This is a very important subject that needs to be remembered not just on talk pages, but on all other parts of Wikipedia as well. On talk pages, discussions can get pretty tense and heated, and I admit that I have gotten into a few of these arguments as well. Despite this, it is never okay to attack someone. As a user who has gotten personally attacked before, I can definitely say that it does not feel good, and usually the person who made the attacked will get warned or blocked, so please be kind and accept what other people have to say, because you will get nowhere by being rude.

4. Come to a consensus (preferably a clear one) On talk pages, whenever there is a discussion regarding something important like the merging of an article, people need to decide what the outcome of something important on a talk page. For example, if there is say, a merge discussion for an article on a tropical cyclone, many people will give their input. Usually, different people will have different views on whether to merge or keep the article. Sometimes, the editor will close the discussion early, but this is usually for unrelated reasons, though it sometimes may be because the editor had a change of mind. Now, if there is support for say a merge of the article, then that will be the consensus and the discussion will be closed and the article merged. This can also happen on the opposite side, if an article is to be kept, the discussion will be closed and article kept. Simply put, it is important to discuss and come to a clear decision if there is a consensus involved, to avoid difficulty with the article or page in the future.

These are just a few examples of things that editors of the WPTC need to remember when using talk page discussions. There are plenty of other things not mentioned here that are just as important when it comes to using talk pages. I made this simply to help remind editors the key points when using the discussions, and I hope these were helpful to new users as well as veterans. We need to really get better at staying calm and keeping civil. I have noticed lots of hostility and arguing lately, as well as edit warring and disputes. We need to work this out. We are supposed to work together as WPTC editors, so please fix it. It is sad seeing so many editors getting reported or having to get blocked from this. Once again, keep discussions civil and have a good day. Signing off,

🌀Weatherman27🏈

My experiences as a WikiProject Tropical cyclones member by SMB99thx

Hello again, people of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! In here, I want to tell how my experiences with WikiProject Tropical Cyclones changed my views on WikiProjects, helped me out of trouble and to be able to regain the trust of many people in Wikipedia.

When I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones, it was the second WikiProject I have ever joined. The first WikiProject I have ever joined is WikiProject COVID-19, and the reason why I joined that project is to gain trust of people when I contributed to COVID-19 articles and as well as my fight against an IP editor which turned out to be the LTA named Bedriczwaleta (and has been active much more longer than I thought, since February of last year (!!!!)). I have the same thought process (and combined with my plans of editing old season articles, which is not done yet) when I first joined this WikiProject, but joining the WikiProject Tropical cyclones turned out to be something different. It led me to know what are the purposes of WikiProjects are and in turn led me to join many other WikiProjects since.

As such, what made me change my views on WikiProjects during my time as a WikiProject Tropical Cyclones?

First of all, I have seen that WikiProject Tropical cyclones members always actively work together to advance project goals, actively participating in discussions and give much-needed advice on new WikiProject Tropical cyclones members (including me). Second, WPTC really cares about our articles (and the assessments) as part of their project goals. 2018 FT project and Meteorological history of Hurricane Dorian (Four Award!) is a prime example of this. Third, we are actively welcoming the new members of this WikiProject and giving these members opportunity to succeed with us by i.e. giving out WikiLove (barnstars). Fourth, we, like WP COVID-19, actively fight against vandals and other LTAs e.g. Sidow........., UnderArmorKid, and Iphonehurricane95.

These kinds of activity led me to change my belief on what WikiProjects truly are. You could see this kind of activity on other good WikiProjects like WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, which I just joined recently on 26 October 2020 as of this newsletter and WikiProject Articles of Creation, which I have interest on joining but I might not be able to.

Now, why WikiProject Tropical cyclones brought me out of trouble (and Chicdat, for that matter)?

WikiProject Tropical cyclones is generally a content-creating WikiProject. We really care about improving tropical cyclone coverage on Wikipedia. Members of this WikiProject generally encouraged to communicate and discuss (in Wikipedia, in Discord, or in IRC channel), and this is what helped me and Chicdat out from trouble since our discussions from what I have seen is not always administrative.

Before I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones (and when I was still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones), I have been putting myself on trouble numerous times. I was an ANI regular, and as an ANI regular I detailed about my struggle to deal with the LTA Bedriczwaleta and I'm was also putting up IBAN proposals of User:Jadebenn and User:Moamem as well as User:U1Quattro and User:1292simon. While I have managed to get my proposal succeeded and finally got Bedriczwaleta back on track for a while (what I thought), in August 20 (as I was about to finalize my decision to enter my college I'm currently in right now) I got myself into serious trouble against IP range 185.66.252.0/23 (which is apparently good at programming - I'm not). I tried to get them blocked for PA (calling me a thief who has a black soul), but this is where when I realized that I had to attribute things I copied within Wikipedia and I had to apologize to the user. Since then, I did my best to attribute everything I had copied articles from (Example) and I also realized that ANI is not for me (as I do not want to get into troubles by just being there), which led me to quitting ANI until November of this year when I decided to involve myself on Miggy72 dispute (now banned for sockpuppetry - Miggy72 could have been invited to WPTC if he stopped on insisting to create non-notable topics).

After that incident with the IP range 185.66.252.0/23, I have stated that I do not want to get myself into trouble as a presence in ANI. As such, I decided to focus on what I want to do, which is to continue my project of splitting season articles of the yesteryear and began to increasingly involve myself within the project - to look for help and giving the best help that I can do for this WikiProject. The activity from that September led me to become Member of the Month in the previous edition of this newsletter. It was a comeback that I needed, and I want to thank WikiProject Tropical cyclones (especially Hurricanehink) for getting me on this situation. Without their help, I'm not sure if I could be here on this day.

Now, for the final question – why this WikiProject helped me (and Chicdat) regain trust of many people in Wikipedia?

As I stated before, this WikiProject encourages discussion within other members of this WikiProject, which in turn encourages close involvement in all sides of this WikiProject. Because of this, some people are actually helping us learning policies in Wikipedia as the time goes on, rather than falling in into blocks. As such, with time, I have seen that some admins are open for Chicdat to become a rollbacker, while I got hold on several automated gadgets that was more useful. It appears that these tools are the reason why these people are one of the more trusted people in Wikipedia, which in turn helped me a lot at gaining trust. Someday in the future, I'm looking to become an admin by myself. But that's for the another day. For now, what I'm currently doing now is to work at my craft to eventually prepare for the day when I will seek for adminship in the years ahead.

In conclusion, you can see that this WikiProject helped me to regain my standing, alongside Chicdat, Nioni1234, Cristianpogi678, HurricaneTracker495 - and of course - CyclonicallyDeranged! If not for this WikiProject, I don't think they are will be here. Chicdat could have been CIR-blocked like Prahlad balaji and PythonSwarm, Nioni1234 and Cristianpogi678 ending up like Binbin0111 and Miggy72, HurricaneTracker495 would have a trouble establishing himself (or probably will never establish theirselves and stay as an IP) and CyclonicallyDeranged fully driven out from Wikipedia.

By the way, to me, both Binbin0111 and Miggy72 are young, but unfortunately they took on the wrong path (Binbin0111 was one of the earliest Force Thirteen insinuators - Binbin0111 is probably the impetus of Force Thirteen policy in this project (as it was made back in 2017), while Miggy72... we know what happened). I feel bad for them, especially Binbin0111. Had Binbin0111 is willing to learn and took steps forward to become productive young editor like Yellow Evan and two other resilient young editors I have mentioned did, Binbin0111 could have been one of the most valuable editors in this project, especially in matters related to Western Pacific basin, and in extension, Vietnam.

That's it. That's what I have to say. College is increasingly getting into my feelings right now, but I will do my best as I can coming into December. Sorry if I have a bad English. Thanks for reading this opinion piece!

Greetings from Indonesia,

SMB9 9thx my edits!

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Tropical low identifiers in the Australian region

@Typhoon2013: Hi again! I saw that you removed the Coral Sea subtropical low from the 2020–21 Australian region cyclone season article because it's been confirmed that the next tropical low will receive the designation 02U and not 03U. This reasoning would make sense normally (in the Atlantic basin, for example), but it doesn't hold up in the Australian region. The BOM only issues xxU identifier codes to tropical lows which they consider to have at least a moderate chance of developing into a named tropical cyclone within the following seven days. Hence, weak tropical—or in this instance, subtropical—lows which are still officially tracked and advised upon do not receive designations. Therefore, we can't discount systems in the Australian basin on the basis that they didn't receive an xxU identifier code. Just thought I would clear this up! ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Hi, hi. You are right as well but please refer to this where Hink has gave his opinion about this system. It is not even a TL and it is very uncommon to find a subtropical low. -- Typhoon2013 12:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Typhoon category

**RSMC Tokyo's Tropical Cyclone Intensity Scale**
Category	Sustained winds
Violent Typhoon	≥105 knots ≥194 km/h
Very Strong Typhoon	85–104 knots 157–193 km/h
Strong Typhoon	64–84 knots 118–156 km/h
Typhoon	34–63 knots 62–117 km/h
Tropical Depression	≤33 knots ≤61 km/h

You want to put this scale in the article of Strong Typhoon ? Dam222 🌋 (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dam22: Hi! I would not mind it. At least perhaps just edit the template from Typhoon to Strong typhoon. The colours are not bad really. -- Typhoon2013 01:16, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Hello Typhoon2013: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, 𝙲𝚘𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚎 ᴛᴀʟᴋ 01:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

𝙲𝚘𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚎 ᴛᴀʟᴋ 01:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@CodingCyclone: Hi and thank you so much! I hope you have a good holidays too! :) -- Typhoon2013 01:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays :)

--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 07:58, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@CyclonicallyDeranged:! I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a good holidays to you too! It was nice working with you in areas this year and I am looking forward to working with you in the new year! :) -- Typhoon2013 12:11, 25 December 2020 (UTC)