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WikiCup 2021 May newsletter

The second round of the 2021 WikiCup has now finished; it was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 61 points to advance to Round 3. There were some impressive efforts in the round, with the top eight contestants all scoring more than 400 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 110 good articles achieved in total by contestants, as well as the 216 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in Round 2 were:

The Rambling Man, with 2963 points from three featured articles, 20 featured article reviews, 37 good articles, 73 good article reviews, as well as 22 DYKs.
Epicgenius, with 1718 points from one featured article, 29 good articles, 16 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
Bloom6132, with 990 points from 13 DYKs and 64 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
Hog Farm, with 834 points from two featured articles, five good articles, 14 featured article reviews and 15 good article reviews.
Gog the Mild, with 524 points from two featured articles and four featured article reviews.
Lee Vilenski, with 501 points from one featured article, three good articles, six featured article reviews and 25 good article reviews.
Sammi Brie, with 485 points from four good articles, eight good article reviews and 27 DYKs, on US radio and television stations.
Ktin, with 436 points from four good articles, seven DYKs and 11 "In the news" items.

Please remember that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of Round 2 but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in Round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (except for at the end of each round, when you must claim them before the cut-off date/time). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

Enchanter • Carlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC was closed with no consensus. Consensus was found in a previous RfC for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

Technical news

The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration

The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.

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Wulfstan the unimpressively disambiguated

Hi Ealdgyth, just a quick note that Wulfstan (died 1023) has an open GAR at Talk:Wulfstan (died 1023)/GA1. Best, CMD (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I dropped a note there, but am not watching the GAR page. I just don't have access to the sources I'd need nor any desire to acquire them or interest in that aspect of history. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem, just thought I'd let you know as you were the original GA nominee, back in deep time. Best, CMD (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about removing coats of arms from articles

Good evening Ealdgyth,

I hope you are enjoying everything the month of May has to offer you. I took a look at the revision history for Lithuanian Crusade and I noticed you removed all the coats of arms from the infobox with the edit summary, "remove coats of arms, other unrecognizable icons that are utterly unlikely to be known to most readers." I was curious about this, and I took a look at your contribs and noticed you have done this to at least a few other articles.

You seem to be an established editor on Wikipedia, so I am certain that you have not done this for light and transient reasons. I just wanted to ask if you could expound on the reasoning that certain things like icons should not belong on Wikipedia on the basis of being unknown to most readers. By the same reasoning, I might be able to argue that we should just remove the names of the belligerents altogether because they're unlikely to be known by most readers. (And also, who are "most readers," anyway?) I think you might make many editors upset with you, especially those in WikiProject Military History. I know they consider details like that when they assess articles for their project.

From purely a style standpoint, the Manual of Style gives us an explicit exception to the general recommendation against flag icons in the context of a military conflict. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Avoid flag icons in infoboxes says, "Examples of acceptable exceptions include infobox templates for military conflicts and infoboxes including international competitions, such as FIFA World Cup or the Olympic Games."

I would also say that if someone reading Wikipedia were specifically focused on studying the crusades and other military conflicts from around that time, they might recognize the icons from article to article and appreciate that they were there. Or someone who just happened upon the article might be entertained by them, or be inspired to look up heraldry and the history of national iconography. There is value to them. I believe that if we were to ask for community consensus about whether to keep them, the community would agree with me. But I would like to know what you think.

Have a lovely day,

Jarmihi_GOCE (talk) 23:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, the community was asked about them and pretty decisively decided that coats of arms are not helpful. See the closure of the RfC (courtesy link to the full discussion: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons#Close the coats-of-arms loophole). Ealdgyth (talk) 23:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Ealdgyth, I want to thank you for replying so quickly and kindly. I was unaware of that conversation. When I read the new style, I at first was caught up on the "of a person" part, failing to remember that all coats of arms are literally personal, not national. The tone of that discussion was mildly upsetting (haha) and I'm sorry I reopened that wound on your talk page. Thank you for your help, and have a good night! Jarmihi_GOCE (talk) 00:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Dot Esports

Hi Ealdgyth, hope you're doing well. A few days ago I opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources about the use of Dot Esports and InvenGlobal, two websites you deemed not reliable enough for an FA during your review of League of Legends. Would you be so kind as to expand on your reasoning at the discussion? It would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Anarchyte (talk) 08:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Solicitation for a source check

Hey Ealdgyth, whenever you have the chance I'd love an outside eye at Power Mac G4 Cube's sources. I'm not taking it to FAC very soon (too much other stuff going on) but it'd be great to get a set of eyes on it before then as I have a a few sources I'd want a second opinion on. Hope things are well in your part of the world. Cheers, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 18:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey David (and this is directed at @Anarchyte: too).. I'm insanely busy with outside-wiki stuff and I'm not sure when I'm going to be free ... it may not be til next winter depending on a lot of stuff. So I can't promise anything, sorry! Ealdgyth (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Best of luck with the outside-wiki stuff :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 22:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

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Flagicons

Hello, just wondering why your recent contributions history is purging flagicons from city articles while citing them with MOS:INFOBOXFLAG despite the fact when that specific MOS doesn't discourage flagicons from articles that aren't Naturally geographic nor in current dispute between two nations. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 13:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

It's pretty clear that the MOS discourages flagicons in infoboxes. The "may" does not mean they should be there - the overriding "they could be unnecessarily distracting and might give undue prominence to one field among many" is clear that it should be followed. I can't say that I see any reason that infoboxes on cities/states/regions should have flags - the linked article title is much better. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

The "may" also states that they don't necesarily need to be purged, the flags are too small to be any distrcations and provide more familiarity and recognizability so it pops out to a common reader and even some templates have both flag and linking. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for the review. It was the first article I worked on for a GA nomination. I do see now, after working on a few other GAs, that there are many things which can be improved there. I will keep at it.

I hear you; even my real life has been strangely hectic of late. I hope it gets easier for both of us. Until then, I hope this beer helps a bit. — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ealdgyth! I would love to have a discussion with you about Medieval England, specifically the Anglo-Norman period. You are very knowledgeable on this topic and I have selected you to be my oracle. I need your help in determining if I am a descendant of one of these royal retards. I am not a smart man and don't know how to use this computer machine website so please send me an email at Mondork33@gmail.com or text me 208 827 6810 Malortuni33 (talk) 06:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless

Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)

Guideline and policy news

Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
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Technical news

Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration

After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.

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Holocaust

Hi Ealdgyth. I agree with keep the section trim, but replacing Nedic’s regime and Zbor with just “local” would leave readers with no context of who participated with the Germans. It’s pretty significant collab. I was surprised by that. For example the Ustase are mention specifically in their role in the Holocaust (obviously with greater autonomy). OyMosby (talk) 12:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

This belongs on the article talk page - where others can weigh in. Obviously, I think it's too much detail, lets see what others think. Please take this to the talk page of the article. User talk pages are best used for discussions of user behavior, not content being actively discussed. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thought I would consult with you since it was in relation to an edit of yours. Overall all your other edits seem fine to me. OyMosby (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Needs work

I guess I'm glad it was created, but needs massive cleanup and a copyvio check: Janus (horse). I moved it to a decent title, tagged it for the project and took a very brief whack at a copyedit, but it's beyond what I've got the time, knowledge and energy to tackle. Pinging a couple people who can help. Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2021 July newsletter

The third round of the 2021 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 294 points, and our top six scorers all had over 600 points. They were:

The Rambling Man, with 1825 points from 3 featured articles, 44 featured article reviews, 14 good articles, 30 good article reviews and 10 DYKs. In addition, he completed a 34-article good topic on the EFL Championship play-offs.
Epicgenius, a New York specialist, with 1083 points from 2 featured article reviews, 18 good articles, 30 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
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Hog Farm, with 659 points from 2 featured articles and 2 good articles on American Civil War battles, 18 featured article reviews, 2 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 4 DYKs.
BennyOnTheLoose, a snooker specialist and new to the Cup, with 647 points from a featured article, 2 featured article reviews, 6 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 3 DYKs.

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Arbitration

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Dan Koehl

Hi! I notice that you have ended up in a discussion with the Swedish user Dan Koehl. FYI, he has recently been blocked for a three year period from Swedish WP, because of his beaviour. Discussing with him has proved fruitless. A blocking at the English Wikipedia would do you and everybody else good. Regards, Jobbaren (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)