User talk:Drmies/Archive 15

Happy New Year, all you nice people!
Don't forget to quit smoking, lose 20 pounds,
and reference some BLPs! Drmies (talk) 03:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

GAR for Guillaume de Dole

Hello :) I've started the review, just in case you overlooked it on your watchlist (mine looks like a buzzard's throw-up... heh) Rcej (Robert) - talk 08:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, I have Huggle, or Twinkle, I don't know, so basically half the pages I edit are on my watchlist. I haven't looked at it in ages. To get to the point: thanks! I will have a look. If there are major issues that require time and scholarship, it may be a few days before I get to it--campus is closed. Happy New Year, and thanks again, Drmies (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
• I responded to your review question. Drmies (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Can you please explain to me, without nonsense labeling, what was wrong with my revisions? GiantSquidAttack (talk) 03:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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New comments at the bottom, please

Can you please explain to me, without nonsense labeling, what was wrong with my revisions? GiantSquidAttack (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Maybe, as your user page seems to claim, I'm just anal. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you are. So there is nothing wrong with them, correct? I would restore them, if not for fear of being permanently blocked. GiantSquidAttack (talk) 03:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Well, I think this edit, in its odd mixture of silliness and inside references, is indicative of a lack of good will. You know, of course, that I did not report you--perhaps you should take this up with that editor. And while there is nothing wrong with a few of your edits, there is a lot wrong with some of the editors. Thanks; it's been a pleasure. Drmies (talk) 04:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for a relatively straight answer. Nice dismissive remark, as well. So I should simply edit the Longview page again, correct? GiantSquidAttack (talk) 04:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, your copyedits were more than welcome. Now, if you could explain that weird edit to a closed AfD discussion, which WP newbies would be hard-pressed to find, that might help your cause--I understand an SPI on your behavior is to be opened, and that would be the place to leave your comments, not this talk page, which is a place for tranquility and enjoyment. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

What's an SPI? GiantSquidAttack (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• I think your question has been answered: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Welshdave86. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Nested

As we've discussed refs before, I thought you might be (very slightly) interested to see that I did something which I didn't even know was possible: refs nested inside a footnote! I hope you had a good New Year's Eve/Day. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Holy moly Mandarax--you are taking geekdom to a whole new level! I am very proud of you, and I will have a second and a third look at that edit to figure out what is going on. Drmies (talk) 05:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• I think it's one of those things where you don't really try to figure it out – you just follow the examples and hope for the best. It's "explained" in WP:REFNOTE and the next section. That help page implies that it's only possible to have one ref nested within another, but I did ten. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Subaru Outback commentary

Changes made to Subaru Outback are based on real world experience of Subaru Outback owners who are experiencing this problem with their vehicle. This is backed up by the FACT that subaru has issued TSB's And letters, which were referenced with URL links where people can confirm this issue. The fact that some are referenced in a forum does not take away from the credence of the information. As an educator, I remind my students not rely on sites like wikipedia due to the fact that info on this web site may not always be 100% accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.189.170 (talk) 16:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• You are talking about Subaru Outback, specifically edits you made of this type. Those will be reverted every single time, since Wikipedia aims to be an encyclopedia with information based on reliable sources--owners' experience as it is related on message boards cannot count as reliable sources. So yes, that does take away from the credence of the information, since message boards do not have editorial control. Please see WP:RS. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Clan of Xymox

So how does this work? The dates, members and events keep getting changed, so how do we agree on what constitutes "reliable source(s)"? Muso88 (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Wholesale revert undone. Simple as that--no reliable sources, no changes. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

This way nothing gets solved. Edits are all backed up with references , I can make a hard copy and embarrass you all , try me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowitallfortoday (talk • contribs) 00:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately that's not making any difference because it's being reinstalled as fast as you're reverting and there are certainly no discussions going on Muso88 (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Knowitall, you can't make hard copies of YouTube videos, and they're not reliable sources. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

what ?? images speak louder then words ,especially her on this biased page . You cannot alter film and the truth, but i guess that is why all gets deleted all the time no ?

• Yeah, well, YouTube is not a reliable source. Read WP:RS. This is an encyclopedia, not a MySpace page. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

To Drmies The message which you sent me implied that the information published on Clan Of Xymox wiki page was unverified. This is a false attribution on your behalf, each piece of information that was published on the page consisted of proper citations which exposed your dishonesty or at least showed the opinion of those who criticize other then ...you know who — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowitallfortoday (talk • contribs)

• A. sign your messages. B. the information you supplied was improperly verified. C. claims about my dishonety, that's a personal attack. D. the rest of your message is not very comprehensible. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

will get to the bottom of this

January 2011 Response about Ergun Caner

The message which you sent me implied that the information published on Ergun Caner's wiki page was unverified. This is a false attribution on your behalf, each piece of information that was published on the page consisted of proper citations which exposed his dishonesty or at least showed the opinion of those who criticise him. What has been added to the wiki page now are laughable refutations of the allegations placed against Ergun Caner which have already been debunked on fakeexmuslims.com. Just search "normal geisler fakeexmuslims.com" and "john ankerberg fakeexmuslims.com" in google, you will find all this information there. You as a supposed person of integrity should be willing to allow criticism of individuals to be published, unless of course, you are implying that Ergun Caner is infallible. Contact this email address for a friendly discussion regarding this matter: contact@fakeexmuslims.com. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo khan247 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• I have no interest in email contacts, sorry. My supposed integrity on Wikipedia goes as far as WP:AGF, but often is stopped, by force, at WP:RS--that website does not meet any of the requirements for a reliable source. I am well aware of Caner's fallibility, which is even dished out in reliable sources, and those are the ones we use on Wikipedia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
• So the external links to John Ankerbergs positive words about Ergun Caner's lies are authentic and likewise for Norman Geisler's; but anybody else is not counted; that's very fair do you not think? If you actually went onto the links of that had been posted, you will see that the information within them were actual video/audio clips of Caner himself. They were not tampered with to make them seem like something they are not, they are just short clips with brief explanations of his lies and errors. I would have even published the evidence of John Ankerberg being the cause of the closure of the mokhan247 YouTube account, but according to you, that would probably not count as a reliable source. It does not matter, everyone knows that wikipedia is not a reliable source of information anyway; for there are many people who control what is actually put up and what isn't. The truly intelligent people will use their intellect and search other sources too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.67.81 (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
• John Ankerberg and Norman Geisler are actually notable people. IP 78.146.67.81, Mo khan, and I are not. If 'people' wish to go visit YouTube to distill knowledge of the world, they are welcome to do so, but it is not Wikipedia's job to provide those links (that's what Google is for). For the last time, videos etc. are primary evidence, and encyclopedias use secondary and tertiary sources. Consider reading Wikipedia:No original research--there you find some of the guidelines and rules we are supposed to play by. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
• Right. So you post refutations of "notable" people, but you don't post the things that they are refuting. Great. I love your logic. This is not biased one bit(!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo khan247 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: Anka Wolbert

Unlike other PRODS, you can remove the tag only if the article is referenced. PRODBLP state that at least one statement [was referenced] about the person in the article, futher nominations must be at AFD. Tbhotch^™ and © 03:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Sure--but I wonder how reliable the reference was that I added. Not that I'm arguing--I'm just wondering. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, the article is referenced now but the page is down.. What happens next? Anka Wolbert (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Edward Ingram going live?

Drmies: Here are some more questions. I want to make my Maurice Ingram (in my sandbox) public. You say "use the "move" function to move it to article space--and I would move it to Edward Ingram (1890-1941),". Where is the "move" function? You responded to this request on my userpage, but suggest I should drop you a line on your talk page...

I wanted also to put a photo of Leonard Shoobridge on the (my first) Wikipedia page. I have prepared the photo to Wikipedia's specifications, but what next? There are two 'image' type icons at the top of the Edit window (both orange coloured landscapes in a frame). The first is 'Embedded file', the second is 'Picture gallery'. They both insert text in the file that uses the term 'File:example.jpg'. I thought they might let me insert a picture... I need hand holding...Peter71947 (talk) 04:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Peter. Hmm, good question. I have Twinkle, and for me, there's a little pull-down menu, top right, where "Move" is the only option one can select. Look at Wikipedia:Move, section "How to move a page," and see if that works for you. If it doesn't, I can move it for you. (I can do that anyway, but if you do it yourself then you'll know for next time.)

  As for the image, you should go to "Upload file," which is in the list of options all the way to the left (there's some fun ones there, like "Random article" and "Recent changes"), and then follow the directions. The most difficult thing is the selection of the copyright license. If the instructions aren't helpful, have a look at Wikipedia:Uploading images. I'm no copyright expert, but my guess is that you are dealing with something in the public domain. We have a couple of experts here--one of them, User:LadyofShalott, occasionally glances at my talk page and might could help; User:Moonriddengirl has helped me in the past with particularly troubling questions.

  Anyway, once you've uploaded the image, you can add it to the article: see the section "Adding images to articles" on that Uploading images page.

  Does that help? Good luck, and let me know! Oh, Happy New Year! Drmies (talk) 04:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be glad to help with what I can. Give me a message over on my talk page if there is something I can do. I have to say though that I am not an expert on copyright by any means. I've learned some, but I completely and totally defer to Moonriddengirl, who I think actually is an expert on that topic. LadyofShalott 03:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Drmies

Thanks so much for your friendly advice! Your instructions solved my problems I moved the Maurice Ingram page. I fully agree with you that I should do it, not you. (But the instructions could read "Near the top right corner of the page there is a row of menu options. After 'View History' there is a star, and a triangle. Clicking the triangle should reveal the Move option.")
I also found the 'Upload' option, again, thanks to you. I answered all the questions, uploaded the image, and it now appears on a page called "File:LeonardShoobridge.jpg"

But the photo didn't appear on the Leonard Shoobridge page. Instead of hassling you again, I looked up "uploading images to Wikipedia", and found I had to enter a line of code -

File:Image name

Caption

- into the text. The example given was confusing - it referred, as an example, to the file name (not the caption I had given it). So I entered the file name (I thought).

Now, on the Leonard Shoobridge page, there is a box, with two lines of text (very similar to the one which is now showing on this page): Mine says "File:Image name LeonardShoobridge.jpg".
I dutifully went back to edit the box, but the text (the code) I had entered (which included the filename - as shown in the box) didn't appear.

I hope someone is paying you for your prompt help.
Peter71947 (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the image link for you. If you click on this link, you can see exactly what I changed to make the image show correctly. LadyofShalott 03:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Well done, Peter! Congratulations. Interesting chap; pity about the grave. And Lady, thanks, as usual. Drmies (talk) 04:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Clan of Xymox, cont'd

Thanks, but you need to step away for a little while, you could get caught up in a 3RR mess, you're reverting too many times. I'm reverting when I finish this. Dougweller (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• I know Doug--I have every intention of doing so. Trust me, I never wanted it to go this far, and I hope I have shown that my reversals were not without cause. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
• BTW, if Knowitall's edits continue to stand, the article will continue to be a mess. Look at this edit, where they inserted stuff in the middle of sentences, wreaking havoc on grammar, making some references say things they don't, and inserting URLs to Flickr images as references--and cutting two members from the band. Then Nutville came along and inserted a spammy URL in the middle of a referenced sentence to a person who already has an article...it goes on and on. Drmies (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, other things have diverted me. Dougweller (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

What, your kids going back to school today also? ;) Drmies (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol, no, I'm at the age where it's grandchildren going back. Wikipedia, going to the gym, etc. I just took a look, the two members are back, is there still anything else wrong? I can't revert back as too many others have edited. Dougweller (talk) 16:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, the gym...I wish I had time and energy for that. No, I still wouldn't go, haha. Good for you, though. See, as far as I'm concerned, the last clean version is this one. If you compare that one to the current version you will see what I mean--look at the third paragraph of what is now the "history" section (there used to be sub-headings, the one starting "The band began to sound more accessible...", and the grammatical errors will tip you off. Scroll down to the references, and compare my last version to the current one, for spam links, bare URLs, incorrectly formatted links, incomplete bibliographical information, etc. That section used to have a picture, in which the editor managed to change the file name so that a later editor removed what had become an incorrect link. I could go on. I am not going to claim that I'm some superior editor--but my last version is better than the current version, and since my version nothing new or positive has been added: the intermediate edits you refer to all involve the 'other' edit war, over that poster-size image. So, if you want to delve into it, good luck, and I appreciate the help. Drmies (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

The page certainly has become a mess. We all know who Hablador/ Knowsitallfortoday is. It's not hard to figure out. Interesting how Knowsitallfortoday has not made another edit since Hablador got blocked. I wonder now - wouldn't that happen if two usernames had the same IP address? But it won't be long until he's/ they are back of course. I am certainly Anka Wolbert, and I do have a COI with this page, which I have already declared. I have very openly used my real name as my Username so that everyone (including Knowitall) can see it is me. I created my Userpage when I noticed that "Knowitall" was attempting to rewrite history like this. The reliable sources referenced in the article of course refute Knowitall's version of history. I co-founded Clan Of Xymox three decades ago and dedicated 10 years of my life to writing, touring and making the band a success. I'm truly sorry they turned into a goth band after I left (simply not my cup of tea), but that opinion is besides the point, and obviously I have nothing to add (nor edit) to the story after the point at which I left. Anka Wolbert (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

<snip>

• Sorry, but what am I looking for, besides seriously broken English? Drmies (talk) 19:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Anka, careful about trying to find the real life identities of editors, you can get blocked for that. I'm busy tonight, so can't spend any time on this until tomorrow. Dougweller (talk) 21:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Good point Doug--thank you. Anka, see WP:OUTING. I should have thought of that myself. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

(←) Anka and Drmies - please closely review DougWeller's message and please take any further action at WP:SPI or WP:COIN, rather than here.  7  22:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

And I see you have, with success. Good work. Dougweller (talk) 19:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow...now why don't I feel happy? Drmies (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg)

Merci for the Saint Gildard series. Good supply of sources. Please review the slight edits I made to make sure I did not introduce any errors. I added a picture of the convent for example to the paragraph talking about it, of course optional. I marked the one paragraph sans citation in Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg) to pass DYK. Also take a look at the establishments section Sisters of Charity of Nevers; not sure which of these are in past tense and which are current era. I will also add to projects for completeness. W Nowicki (talk) 21:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I added the ref for that paragraph. As for the Sisters' tenses, I can't place the convents and schools in the present tense because I have no evidence that such are still in operation. The two I singled out are verified by contemporary (news) sources, and so they are in present tense. Does that help? Drmies (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and also wanted you to make sure I did not introduce errors by moving some text down into the body from lead. I tend to be ultra-minimalist on lead sections, starting with one or two sentences of context and then adding as the article grows. Others treat the first paragraph as an intro. Somewhat a matter of taste.

• BTW, good work on all of them! I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Well if you ever get around to it, there is another project I have been trying to get someone to help with who reads french more fluently. Louis de Freycinet made some very notable voyages, but right now his article has no citations. I noticed other articles are inconsistent with some claiming he was in Australia the same time others claim he was in Hawaii. So details need to be added with sources nailed down. Perhaps put on your wishlist? Maybe he will count as an unref'ed bio. W Nowicki (talk) 21:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• Did you see this? She's missing from the article. I'll have a look, or two. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the barnstar!

And as the article is controversial per se, I think a stable version will take some time. But there are good articles about presidents, even current ones, which is way more "controversigenous", so lets see. --Filius Rosadis (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

GB Article source

I agree the forum source isn't reliable but the fanzine is okay in your book? --Omar418 (talk) 16:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

• I placed a note already on Talk:Green Brigade. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

		The BLP Barnstar
		For your efforts to keep Darrell Issa free of unsubstantiated allegations. Jclemens (talk) 06:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

• Wow, thanks! I imagine a check from Issa will be in the mail--if I can trust Wikipedia, he can spare me a dime... Drmies (talk) 06:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Mehmed II

Would you care to join the discussion concerning the portrait for the article Mehmed II? Talk:Mehmed II. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sisters of Charity of Nevers

Thanks from me and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg)

Thanks from me and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Gildard

Thanks from me and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Warrior Brotherhood for deletion

The article Warrior Brotherhood is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warrior Brotherhood until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Dbratland (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Land of Green Plums

I've had a look through now and made a few changes, which obviously you ought to check to make sure I haven't changed the sense of what you were trying to say too much. Just three points:

• "The diary and other documents, including mildly subversive photographs,[5] are hidden in the well of a deserted summerhouse in town." It's almost always best to avoid the passive voice; who hid the diary and other documents?
• "I'd definitely get rid of that very short Trivia section. If what's being said there is in some way significant then it ought to be possible to integrate it into the body of the article.
• The lead really needs a bit of expansion to better summarise the article, probably ought to be about half as long again. A good rule of thumb is to include a summary of material from each one of the major sections.

Good luck at GAN. Malleus Fatuorum 19:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Malleus. You ask good questions. That trivia thing--it's far from trivial, of course, and I haven't yet found the right place, but I think I know now where I can place it. I'll get on the lead as well. Thanks again! If I could, I'd share my cheese sandwich with you out of gratitude. Thanks again, and have a great weekend. Drmies (talk) 20:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
• Wow--great copyedits. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

ECHOPLEX - Please use Talk:Echoplex, instead of my talk page

Please use Talk:Echoplex on discussing about the article. My talk page is not the public page and inappropriate to discuss the issue. --Clusternote (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• Is there anything to discuss? Drmies (talk) 20:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
• I've left a response there. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Rosetta Barnstar

Thanks.--Grahame (talk) 06:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The Times archive

Thanks for reviewing Charles Frewen, and for copyediting the article.

I saw your comment at DYK about not having access to The Times archive. If you'd find it useful, you can get it the way I did: by signing up as a member of Lancashire libraries at http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/borrower/join.asp

They don't seem to mind where in the world you are located, but won't post your membership card unless you live in UKania. --05:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the tip! Drmies (talk) 15:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Louis de Freycinet

Bonjour. Congratulations on Rose de Freycinet that sure was fast. And already DYK approved, although I suggested another hook wording. It certainly seems the claim that L'Uranie was in Hawaii in December 1919 is dubious at best. As time permits I will try to make some talk comments or edits. Her interesting story reminds me a bit of my work on Jerome Case (waiting for a DYK review too). In his case, the namesake horse is more notable and has better pictures that he. W Nowicki (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

SAIDI?

We made revisions on the SAIDI wiki. We are official representatives of SAIDI. May I know why you reversed our edits? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.214.130 (talk) 05:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but right now I don't know what you are talking about. I will have to look through your contributions and mine to figure out what SAIDI is. But "we are official representatives of SAIDI", that's a clear indication of a conflict of interest. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
• Ah...Southeast Asia Interdisciplinary Development Institute. Yes. Those edits you made after mine, they don't conform to the Manual of Style and are too promotional (that logo, for instance). The list of 'noted' people, those people are not notable, and WP is not a directory. We have very strict guidelines in this respect, and one of the important applicable ones is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Green Brigade

Thanks for your help resolving the quibbles there. If you could have a word with about his personal attacks that would be handy. He has ONLY joined wiki to edit that page and now he's on about dole money and my travel history. check my edit hisotry it speaks for itself. If you have a read through the talk you can see whats going on. I may have been tetchy a times but the man is obviously biased in his editing. I have made significant contributions elsewhere but on this page its really beginning to get to me. In fact I wouldn't mind being mentored on this so I could have a go at researching and working at this a bit more. Thanks again.--Omar418 (talk) 09:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Drmies, I came across your comments on Omar418's talk page. I think you went completely OTT in your use of the word "vandalise", enough in fact to get yourself the sort of block that you warned Omar418 about! You should also have given some links to the edits by Omar that offended you, not just links to Wikipedia policy. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 03:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

"Over the top"? Not a bad Motorhead song. I don't think I've ever used the word "vandalise," if only because it's BE spelling. If you think my comments warrant a block, you're welcome to report me at WP:ANI. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I see that you have now retracted those comments made to Omar418. Editors who use unjustified allegations to bully editors into silence do get reported, and administrators do not look lightly on non-administrators who threaten editors with blocks without proper cause - so you need to choose your words more carefully. None of Omar418s edits on that article fit Wikipedia's definition of "vandalize", and the lack of any links to offending posts suggests you knew that to be true. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Retraction is not what he did. The bad edits (and, yes, deleting sourced information with no explanation is considered vandalism) have since been superceded with good edits. That is what Drmies said. I suggest you desist your line of commentary here. LadyofShalott 17:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Cheers Drmies Mattun0211 (talk) 03:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello doc

I'm back for a few more days :) Happy New Year, how's it treating you? Btw, can you take a look at Ethnic groups in Delhi? I think it merits a deletion, but we rarely apply WP:TNT at AfD, so I'm not sure if it'll actually go out the door. But could you use a sharp pair of scissors on it? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

• Spiffy! Always good to see you. Where are you at these days? Mars?

Listen, my friend, and I want to preface by what I am about to say a little bit, like, I want to say I love you like a brother and all, and I'd take you and your dog in, any day of the week, but I ain't touching that kind of stuff with a ten-foot pole. Are you mesjoggene? [Insert Blazing Saddles sound effect.] I think all articles on castes, ethnic groups, family names, tribes, and what not from that area ought to be nuked; I have never seen one that is even remotely clean or referenced.

Actually, this one isn't even so bad--it has references that are more recent than the nineteenth century. Actually, it's a lot better than the ones I've seen so far! I'll try and trim a little bit, and wish you good luck... Drmies (talk) 02:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Trust me, if it was just a caste article like Mistri (caste) / Kadia kshatriyas / Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya which appear to be varying flavors of the same caste I wouldn't have asked you to take a look :) This one is actually about locations and has very very dubious statements like "Other great cities of the world such as London, New York and Paris too host many million migrants, but white collar employment remains predominantly in native hands. Migrants assimilate into the local culture and gradually work their way upwards into the established economic and social hierarchies. Delhi’s situation is completely the reverse. Here the indigenous population is the underclass and holds only about six per cent of the white collar positions available in the city." and "In Mumbai migrant domination gave birth to a powerful nativist movement, with parties like the Shiv Sena and Maharashtra Nav Nirman Sena vigorously championing the rights of the indigenous population.[16] Hitherto, this has not happened in Delhi, but a recent report indicated that murmurs of resentment are beginning to be heard." which are not really supported by the associated refs, these are opinion pieces synthesizing some references. Still on earth doc and mesjoggen is what people think of me, but having no boss to reply to or blackberries to check, I lead a life that I've always dreamt about and don't come here often. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I looked at (and hacked a bit at) Environment of Delhi. For the author of that: POV much? Also, even though the SPI was inconclusive, I think the major hatred of migrants (and their descendants, who apparently are migrants forever) to Delhi is a strong piece of contextual evidence supporting it. LadyofShalott 01:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Ha, just as you're posting this I'm hacking as well--and your thoughts and my edit summary are very much in tune. Was the SPI inconclusive? The master and his puppets were stale accounts, yes, but at least there is a record (even if just for my Alzheimer-hampered purposes). Thanks for your work on the article, and I hope you agree with my renaming it. I think it is a notable topic. Drmies (talk) 01:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Look at what I just trimmed: "Those who are not indigenous to the basin must be barred from the ownership of land." Words fail me. Drmies (talk) 01:39, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, change just a couple of words, and it reads like some of the crap from pre-Civil Rights Era US. (Sadly, I could make more contemporary analogies as well.) If only those nasty-ol' immigrants hadn't come, Delhi would be pristine. Barf. As for the name change, yes, that seems like a logical choice. LadyofShalott 01:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hey doc, your friend's back (115.252.77.66 (talk · contribs)), linking those two books at Delhi now :) —SpacemanSpiff 18:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean De Burca

Interesting case. Sean de Burca may be on the fast track to notability, but not the nominal subject of the article you have nominated, Sean De Burca. Bearian (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for your recognition of me. Bearian (talk) 18:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it was my pleasure. In comparison to your extensive investigation and your cogent account, my nomination looked like I was shooting from the hip. Thanks again! Drmies (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Hariri

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=9079 Surprisingly, the article above is nowhere to be found from its original source ($$$$$). Wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20071027093306/http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070305/ciezadlo

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/lebanons-vast-web-of-corruption-unravels-1189670.html 77.42.143.90 (talk) 02:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

• Responded on Talk:Rafic Hariri. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Only 57,128 EDITS

You have been blocked for eating too much bacon. :) -Marcusmax(speak) 01:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oh Marcus, that is a low blow. You know I haven't had any in a week? You doing alright? I saw you're working on shopping malls--that's exciting stuff! Drmies (talk) 01:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Yah real exciting, I barely even edit anymore (not that I ever edited in extreme amounts to begin with) nowadays I spend my time making a few minor changes here and there and trying to save things I've created from deletion. Good times, eh? -Marcusmax(speak) 01:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry Drmies that was rather depressive of me... how have you been doing, it's been a long long while. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, not to worry. I've always appreciated what you have done here, and I hope you'll continue, whether with small edits or big ones. You're in Illinois, right? I saw that Illinois was a GA, but is no longer... And do you glance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Illinois?

  Speaking of which, I gotta tell you something. When I was young I watched The Blues Brothers in the movie theater, and those first scenes, when they're toasting bread while the L is rushing by, I thought that all of America looked like that. Anyway, it is always nice to hear from you or run into, accidentally or not. Keep the faith! PS: I made some carbonara last night, but I had no pancetta--a great occasion to use some bacon. Bacon, cream, and crushed red pepper, a match made in heaven. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• No worries I'm not going anywhere, and I am actually moving to Indiana. Illinois is my home state, I have lived in the Chicago area my whole life...seen the good the bad and the ugly here, it truly is a unique place. One interesting fact, the mall from the Blues Brothers isn't too far from where I live...it is a pit of what it used to be but pretty interesting, which is one reason that mall articles interest me; a mall is pretty much a time capsule. Anyways nice to see you, and I am sure we will run into each other again -Marcusmax(speak) 23:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• That's right, I forgot--that car chase, that was the first time I saw a mall. That movie has it all. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

An article of interest

I wasn't going to mention this, but since someone else brought up the subject of bacon.... There's a new article on Bacon ice cream. (BTW, you seem to know a lot of people whose names begin with "Ma" and end in "ax"....) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

• You know I made that last year? It was delicious, but after one serving it's really enough. My neighbors enjoyed it too (he made a Bacon explosion last year), though she said it was "a little too bacony". As for Ma...ax--pure coincidence. Just as coincidental as my running into you all the time. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Howdy

Drmies, thanks for your helpful post to my page. Look forward to working with you. Now I have a hankering for bacon, too. Neoglyph (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Haha, that's a good thing. Listen, the day I came home I made some gumbo. Our last night, Annie and I went to Chimes--I had oysters, duck and sausage gumbo, etouffee, and boudin balls. Good times! Hey, good to hear from you. Please let me know if I can help you and your colleagues in any way. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rose de Freycinet

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks HJ--I had almost forgotten all about her. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Argh

I need to have A nice cup of tea and a sit down. The urge to become more and more sarcastic is overwhelming if I keep looking at a particular set of user contributions. LadyofShalott 03:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Would you like me to drop a note at ANI? The person has never even made an edit summary or a talk page comment. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

If you feel like it... I was trying to figure out if it was worth it, but wasn't sure if creating articles too fast was disruptive editing to the point that it was worth it. I know he can use a talk page - I saw his posts on at least one other. LadyofShalott 03:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the notability issue? Most of these stubs give no claim of notability except for "designed by noted architect redlinked name", if they aren't one of the ones designed by not known. They seem like they should mostly all be merged into the diocese article. Maybe they actually are notable, but you can't tell it from the tiny bit of text and zero references given. LadyofShalott 04:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I personally think that a church is pretty much automatically notable--but I think so weakly, and did put a notability tag on one of them. I don't know if individual parishes are notable; I looked around but could not find any guidelines. He's creating them at a leisurely pace, not at Blofeld speed (haha, no one can--but his are automatically notable and/or referenced). Still, it's just irritating. That not know takes the cake, but for the life of me I don't understand how someone would mix up parish and church. Maybe he'll soon run out of material. Hopefully he's sticking to one diocese, one state. Perhaps he's going to bed early. Drmies (talk) 04:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I can see how I could easily mix up parish and church, but from his comments on someone else's talk page (I'd have to look again to remember the name), I get the impression he's Catholic, and that should make a difference. From the same talk page comments, he's apparently starting with CT, but ultimately would like to see all 50,000 (in the US?) have articles! LadyofShalott 04:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

BTW, Blofeld creates articles very quickly, but he doesn't generally get the spelling of the location wrong and then perpetuate it in article after article! Bot-like creation can be fine if you do it right. :) LadyofShalott 04:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

That's my point, yes. Well, he uses the "infobox church" template, and we have an "infobox parish", so I can only assume that we wants to write articles about churches, but they're also articles about parishes. I don't know. If the editor would learn to talk, things would go much easier. Drmies (talk) 04:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, some indication of actual communication would make a big difference! Well, he will either learn to do that soon enough, or he will get the community totally exasperated - one way or another something will give eventually. Let's just hope it's the way the leads to more information in the 'pedia. LadyofShalott 04:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

<--Hey, wanna help out with Ramón Ayala? I'd love to hear some of that music. Drmies (talk) 04:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I knew I remembered the editor's name! Drmies (talk) 04:49, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll look in on Senor Ayala tomorrow (later today actually). Good night! LadyofShalott 05:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey check out the most recent section on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. It's about pronunciation of a Dutch name. LadyofShalott 05:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Kerry Trask

Hello, I noticed you did some of the earliest edits in an attempt to clean up the article Kerry Trask, which is still tagged for notability. I have been trying to reference it and establish notability and have made some comments on the talk page. If you would be so kind, and you have the time, could you possibly stop by there and chime in, I could use some perspective and I don't want to waste my time working on it too much if others think it's going nowhere, which it might be. Thanks and happy editing! IvoShandor (talk) 05:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing. A quick glance at article and talk page tell me already that you've done some excellent work. Drmies (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for the review treasure trove on Kerry Trask, and the hilarious edit summary! IvoShandor (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Haha, thank you! I wish my students would consider my putting them to work an "act of kindness." Clearly, you are a Puritan at heart. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Most welcome :-) Anyway, that last edit of yours looked good, I think it's nice and condensed now, devoid of fluff and irrelevancy and all around not a bad article. I'm tempted to remove the BLP unsourced tag since the few biographical details remaining can be confirmed through so many other, albeit not entirely third party, sources. A brief look on a few of the other publications reveals that at least a couple do indeed exist, but that's all they do. The additional television programming that needs citation also exist, but as with a couple of the monographs I can only find internet confirmation that they exist. That is to say nothing of those that don't show any search results in Google, scholar, web, whatever. I am tempted to just remove those still requiring citation. Thanks again. IvoShandor (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind at all. It's not about to be a GA anyway, and there is no real contentious information. Nice working with you! Don't you love agreement? Drmies (talk) 18:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I do. I am sure you deal with more than your share of the opposite. Great working with you, thanks for responding to my intial inquiry. This has been everything Wikipedia is supposed to be. IvoShandor (talk) 22:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

GAR for The Land of Green Plums

I will work on completing this review :) Gimme a couple days to see where we are at.. Rcej (Robert) - talk 08:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Robert! I really appreciate your help. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Bacon Ice cream and tomato compote

Thanks for the compliment! I can't say I have made it, no, but it does sound interesting. I might consider doing so, if I ever get an ice cream maker. I don't think I'll make the 3-day Blumenthal version though ;) I'll have a look at the tomato compote article, see if we can get it up to a decent length. Not sure how much there is on it, but it might be able to fork from Tomato Ketchup (home made)... Worm 10:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing. Hey, an ice cream maker doesn't have to be fancy or expensive--I have something like this and it works great. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm...bacon ice cream with a tomato compote topping? Sounds good to me! Drmies (talk) 18:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Church or Parish

Hi, I saw you commented on User talk:Lucascb's talk page bringing up the notability of a number of his articles created. My question is related. I'm currently dealing with WlaKom (talk) and his pet Connecticut Roman Catholic Parish categories. First, without the inclusion of some building info, I doubted that these were notable enough for an article, second he insists on sorting the article not based on its name but location (so St. Patrick's Parish, Stamford) is sorted as Stamford. If the article for the church is redirected to a chapter heading, then it too is sorted by location, as opposed to all other church articles on Wikipedia.

Here's WlaKom's original message, I think this needs mediation -- "Please rewert your edits related to sorting. Parishes are sorted by city as deafault. If you want to sort, additionaly, by name you can add |{{PAGENAME}}. See the mess in Category:Roman Catholic parishes in Connecticut. Do not modify {{DEFAULTSORT:City name}}--WlaKom (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by James Russiello (talk • contribs)

James put the same message on my talk page, and I have responded to WlaKom on James's page. LadyofShalott 16:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Question: What mess? I did at least some of the tagging in the category, what's the issue? Best, Markvs88 (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

My issue is the persistent confusion between church and parish in that slew of newly created unverified articles. I don't do sorting--I leave that to the geeks. ;) Which reminds me, lady: for sorting issues I go to Mandarax, and ply him with tofu bacon. Hey Mandarax, there's a DYK waiting to happen there! Drmies (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't notice this til now. I guess I haven't been properly stalking you. (Just so you know that I'm keeping track, that's twice in a month you've directly or indirectly likened me to a geek.)

I'm not sure if tofu bacon would merit its own article, but the vegetarian bacon article is pretty sad looking and could use some expansion. I've never had any veggie bacon strips, but I like the bits such as Bac-Os®. I've made some delicious tofu jerky. (If I get around to it, I'd like to make a big batch to bring to Burning Man. I got my tickets when they went on sale a week ago, in spite of the incompetent ticket provider turning the whole thing into an utter fiasco. My painful five hour ticket purchasing ordeal pales in comparison to the horror stories I've read about from others.)

By the way, while I've obviously never had bacon ice cream, I have tried another rather exotic flavor: garlic ice cream, from a garlic restaurant at which I also had garlic wine. They were both okay, but now that I've experienced them, no need to have 'em again. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

You weren't the only one accused of geekery (geekishness?) in that comment. :) Hmmm... I wonder if Geek the library is a red or blue link? Great program, but "geek" as a verb makes me cringe. LadyofShalott 02:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Parish to Church

I'm not especially attached to the word parish either. Another person suggested that parish was more appropriate. From where I come from church is more commonly used with the concept of a parish being more of a corporate sort of thing. My intent is to document the architecture of the church. If that church is part of a broader complex which has other significant buildings (convent, rectory, school and so forth) they should be evnentually included somehow.

I appreciate your interest.Lukascb (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your note. The way I see it, an article about a church should be named and categorized as such, and focus on the church as the subject, which is why you used the infobox church template. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit war?

Do me a favour! I'll change it all day to what the consensus says. I'll ask you to remove the silly warning before I do. John Hendo (talk) 01:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

• Go ahead and see how far that gets you. There is no consensus to change the status quo and you know it. My warning was intended as a reminder, templated though it be, that it's probably wise to not go down this path anymore. If you cannot find a consensus to change, esp. in a GA, then it should probably not be changed. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, are you trying to goad me with your "go ahead" comment? Are you also trying to tell me that a GA article should not be changed? Funny that. How the hell can it reach FA status without change? Are you for real? John Hendo (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You're an adult; do with my remarks what you will. I am telling you that changes without consensus are frowned upon. I am also implying, yes, that if you continue to edit-war you might be penalized for that. You were warned by another editor in their summary, and now you have been warned on your talk page. I could ask you--do you think that your edit-warring is bringing Wales closer to FA-status? One requirement even for a GA is that the article is stable, and that means no edit-warring, so it will be difficult for you to argue that you are doing this for the best of the article. I have noticed that you have done the same thing to Scotland. If you cannot assume a neutral position, and you cannot play with the others, then perhaps you should consider editing other articles, ones that you are not personally involved with. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

John, unfortunately examining the talk page and edit history of Wales I would have to say that you in fact are at fault. We have a 3 revert rule before edit warring begins, and it has been evoked by another one of the editors on the Wales article. Please continue the discussion on the talk page civilly if you still feel that the content should be changed, Sadads (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

The article, I see, is now under protection, and that is sad. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. Not one of my finest moments. John Hendo (talk) 02:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Gladly accepted. While I can't fully feel the sentiments on either side, I can appreciate that it's a very important issue, and I for one certainly wouldn't want to diminish what to seem may seem like minutia in an infobox. And I don't disagree with your position--I simply don't have an opinion on it. We have a couple more of these long-standing disputes (see the warning templates on top of Talk:British Isles) that may never be resolved. Anyway, I just wanted to warn you that you weren't going to make any friends by reverting (it was never anything personal for me, and I have no involvement in the content), and I thank you for leaving me this note. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 02:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

No matter how strongly I felt about it I had no business taking it out on you, or anyone else for that matter. Thanks for accepting the apology. John Hendo (talk) 02:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

answer

I've left a preliminary explanation at the AfD Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Exp / DKY

Hi Drmies

I think there's an opportunity for some expansion and a great hook or two at Phyllis Robinson. Especially the latter is not my strong suit. Wanna take a gander?

^Bongo_matic 04:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks! I undid a little of your footnoting—sorry! ^Bongo_matic 00:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I saw. You don't care for page numbers? When I cite multiple times from the same source I usually go for the format like in Guillaume de Dole, with a bibliography, but that's probably pushing it a little. Anyway, they're picky at DYK these days (and rightly so), so if the hook is at stake a proper reference is crucial. For a hook, consider the copywriter's hall of fame combined with writing music and lyrics? Drmies (talk) 01:13, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Certainly writing the musical is a pretty neat item. I'll leave it to you. ^Bongo_matic 02:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

By the way, have you noticed our semi-precious Turqoise hasn't been around lately? ^Bongo_matic 02:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll never get used to that spelling. Drmies (talk) 04:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Southern Cherokee nation of Kentucky

If you go back in and change your vote back to delete we will have a good enough consensus just to delete the article. If I have caused a problem I am sorry. Never mind a clean copy. I just want to finally get some sleep and quit worrying about this. Thanks ~PB 76.121.154.140 (talk) 06:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• No need to apologize--you're not trouble, just headstrong. But I'm sure you've been told that before! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

RfA question

I think you should put that question back in. It may be badly phrased and maybe even pointless or unanswerable, but to me it reads like a serious question, not intentional trolling. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• You may do so--please feel free to override me. But nothing good can come out of it--it's pure trolling. Note what the editor (whose contributions are rather single-purposed) said: militant Wikipedians are preventing an article on Amanda Knox. How is that to be answered? And is SmartSE expected to plow through thousands of edits looking for an answer, being possibly forced to defend a position that is not theirs? And what if they basically refuse to answer? SmartSE already answered one nonsensical question, by Keepscases, and one's enough.

  Like I said, if you feel strongly enough, restore it, that's your prerogative and you might well be right in terms of policy and guidelines--but I won't do it. (Haha, maybe I could cite WP:IAR, which always comes up at RfAs!) Thanks for your note, though, Drmies (talk) 05:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Xymox

Hi. :) Not to drag you back into the muck, but this one could get ugly again. :/ I'm here because I noticed your prior efforts to help out. I've been drawn into it via OTRS, as a result of which (and entirely using my own research aside from two sentences) we have a brand new article on Twist of Shadows. While the article was created from my uninvolved OTRS thing, the act of may having created it now makes me involved, so I wanted to ask proactively if you would mind helping to keep an eye on it. I'd also like to see if you by chance have access to any more reviews. We were e-mailed a bunch of them, but I didn't look at them because they were cherry-picked. Instead, I just grabbed the limited reviews I could access through Google books and Google news. (Fortunately, Trouser Press has their review on the web, because their book is snippet view and I can't find my copy! :O) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hey MRG, as if I'm not enough in the muck already! I have two preliminary remarks. First, about the band's article--I saw in the history that placed a "by whom" tag at "decidedly dated." That claim came from Strong, The great indie discography, and the attribution was missing (actually, displaced) because that artwork-thing came in between. If I remember correctly, the now-blocked editor added that note and I added the reference for it, based on a scan of a Billboard article, I think. The source for the "dated" claim is here, and in the code (am I saying this correctly?) it's the reference named "strong". I don't know if I should reinstate that, with the appropriate attribution, or not--I'll gladly take your advice.

  Second, considering who you are and the work you do, am I correct in assuming that the first version of Twist of Shadows was a copyvio of some sort, which was subsequently erased, and then replaced with your version? I'll be glad to try and keep an eye on it, sure--I assume you don't want the article locked down like the band's article (and it's sad already that that one has to be protected, but it was an unmanageable situation), right? And I'll be glad to browse around for more reviews, though I think you are probably better at that than I am. I'll see what I can do. Thanks, and don't let that gothy doomy music get to you to much--you're already at risk, since you are moonridden. ;) Drmies (talk) 18:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi. :) Thanks for clarifying where it came from! I think it's probably better if we put it in the Twist of Shadows article, though, unless we're going to balance the rest of the band bio with reviews of releases. (And, see, you did point out another review already. :D) One of the issues at OTRS was lack of balance in the prior version, no doubt a result of trying to fight between the fluff and the grudges. :/ And, no, believe it or not, there was no prior article on Twist of Shadows, copyvio or otherwise. I created it as a method of dealing with the issue of critical reception of the album, to make sure that it had a place. Occasionally I raise my head from copyright work to avoid burnout, and OTRS has always got a backlog! (Oh, I'm hoping protection won't be necessary. If it is, I'll have to find somebody else to protect it since I am involved now. :)) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Dutch lighthouses

Hello fellow Dr. I was wondering if you could edit List of lighthouses in the Netherlands a bit and word it into english/clean up the photos? Its supposed to look like this. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Doc--sure thing. I'll have a look tonight. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Man, that's a hell of a job! Drmies (talk) 03:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Comments by nice people (OK, they're geeks)

<--Mandarax, you are a geek, and a gnome as well, and without folks like you our house would be a dirty place. You sound like you're ready for an adventure. Were you in line for that long? Or on line? And tofu jerky, that's just hard to believe. I won't try garlic ice cream, unless someone else makes it for me. Lady, how about 'garbage bowl' as a verb? I mean, if 'text' can be a verb, you can't complain about 'geek.' OK, I'm not a good geek, so I have to clean up List of lighthouses in the Netherlands by hand--unless one of you helps out some! ;) Drmies (talk) 03:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it may seem unlikely that tofu jerky could possibly be any good, but I can honestly say that it's more delicious than any meaty jerky I ever had. As for the Burning Man tickets, here's much more info than you could possibly want. Please don't feel obligated to read it all or even to click on [show].

Mandarax's Burning Man ticket saga

There are four price tiers, with 9,000 tickets available in each of the lowest three tiers. I began right when tickets went on sale online, and my position in the queue was just over 1,000. Since there's a limit of two tickets per purchase in the first two levels, I was guaranteed a tier one ticket. Soon, there was an announcement that the queue had been frozen while they sort out technical problems, but they assured us that our places in the queue would be preserved. After a long time, the queue started moving again, but my queue position was now over 25,000! Another announcement, which they would keep repeating throughout the day: there aren't really twenty thousand people ahead of you, and your place in the queue is still good. Throughout the process, the frame with the queue position updated every minute, but often showed a timeout or other error. They announce that it's fine to refresh your browser and you won't lose your place. Later, they warn you not to refresh your browser or you will lose your place and start again at the end of the queue. Later still, they announce on Twitter that that was incorrect; you really can refresh without losing your place. But they never retract it on the ticketing site, so everyone who refreshed and didn't check Twitter (and there was no indication whatsoever that they would be making any announcements on Twitter) thought they had lost their places each time they had refreshed. I could only definitively confirm that they were lying about preserving the original queue positions when a friend called with the news that he'd gotten his first tier tickets. I had told him how to order tickets after I was already in the original queue, so I knew that his original position was after mine, but after he had already purchased tickets, it was still showing over 20,000 people ahead of me. When I finally got the opportunity to buy tickets, level 1 had just sold out. With a $30 difference per ticket, they'd cheated me out of $60. But I was one of the lucky ones. Some people with similarly low original queue positions ended up getting level 3 or 4 tickets. For two tickets, there's a $220 price difference between levels 1 and 4. Another friend who also started right when tickets went on sale and deserved a level 1 ticket was still queued up after nine hours, gave up for the night, discovered in the morning that tiers 1 through 3 were sold out (which had never happened on the first day before − level 3 tickets are usually available for weeks or months), and still doesn't have a ticket. But perhaps the worst of all was that some people reached the front of the line and "purchased" their precious tier 1 tickets only to discover that the credit card processor had been overloaded, their purchase hadn't actually gone through, and if they still wanted tickets, they'd have to start all over from the back of the line. The ticket processing company could use some competent geeks! Computer problems happen, but their decision to reset/randomize the queue, continue the process, and lie about preserving the original positions was unforgivable. Any decent, halfway competent ticket processor would've been able to handle the traffic. But when problems occurred, they should have stopped sales for the day and given everyone a fair chance on another day.

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

• My dear Mandarax, you are a man's man. A Burning Man's man! A Mandarax man! I should give you a barnstar for persistence, but we don't have any for off-wiki activities. But at least you got tickets, for you and your date? (wink wink) I can tell you a similar story, but mine involved airline travel for a dozen students, in one-way installments, three airlines, four groups, and ground transportation. Hardly as exciting. Well, like a good Calvinist, I believe that you'll enjoy it all the more because you had to work so hard for it. Bravo! Drmies (talk) 17:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

All right, I've made a little headway on it, just doing some of the obvious stuff. Several of them have hoge and lage Vuurtoren. Would it be best to translate those as high and low lighthouses or tall and short, or...? Oh! Check what I labeled as town - would another word be better? LadyofShalott 04:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Lady, you are crazy. Close the laptop and go out on the town. Have a drink, have a date--you're like a librarian! Drmies (talk) 04:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I've about had enough for tonight anyway. I must say, your phrasing was inadvertently accurate. LadyofShalott 04:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I am not sure about that high and low. Sure, that's what it means, and the high one is a little bit higher--wait, now I understand. They are Leading lights, and the low one is the front light, the high one rear light. Interesting! We visited the one on Ameland a couple of years ago, I'll write that article. I'm sure we have some photos, maybe with a crying baby in it, haha. Fun! Oh, your secret is safe with me, haha. Drmies (talk) 04:57, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey, you did a great job. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Tourism in Abkhazia DYK nom

Hello, I have responded to the concerns you raised over at T:TDYK. Are you able to go for a full-on review for this one at all? Thanks, Arctic Night 03:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Night, sorry to shoot your hook down. The rephrased version is alright but not as sexy. As far as the other issues, maybe you should drop Ucucha a line, since he is at a much more expensive school than me and to be honest I hadn't even seen that problem. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi - oh, um, I seem to have accidentally reviewed your hook :P I promise, I didn't go searching for hooks written by you, but I'm templating you just below here! Again, I didn't go and search for a hook written by you... Arctic Night 03:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem, Night. Thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nine to the Universe

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Not a booby

tits > boobies

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I left you a tit, to go with your boobies. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Martijn--but what will people think of me now? I do like a nice bird in general. ;) Groeten, Drmies (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Following your advice on Ebony March

Per your advice, I've opened an SPI on Ebony March [1]. There are now no fewer than three socks re-adding the same material to the article, including one account that's been blocked for adding racist vandalism [2]. Then, after launching this racist attack against herself, she created yet another sock in order to play the victim: [3]. You may want to weigh in on the SPI. Qworty (talk) 11:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Qworty. A strange series of incidents; I await what CU delivers. Drmies (talk) 19:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Nina Totenberg/GA1

Hey. The writer was indef-blocked, so this review can probably be closed. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• By "closed," you mean "closed without promotion"? Because I'm sure you saw the discussion on the talk page, which seems not to go anywhere (well, at least not to GA status). Drmies (talk) 04:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  Yup. if there's further concerns with the article, there's now no one who can deal with the concerns. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

  Sad, isn't it. I was wandering when to close it, what my next step should be; thanks for giving me a little push. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Nina Totenberg and book on 2nd Amendment

Earlier, you were involved in the discussion about use of The Great American Gun Debate in the Nina Totenberg article. The book was published by a conservative think-tank, but its authors are regularly published in law journals and criminology journals, and the book itself is cited in various high-quality academic journals such as the Harvard Law Review and Criminology (see Google Scholar). From WP:RS, "One can confirm that discussion of the source has entered mainstream academic discourse by checking the scholarly citations it has received in citation indexes." Does any of this change your opinion on the use of the book as a source there? Drrll (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for asking, Drrll. You noted, I'm sure, that I gave up on the GA Review, in part because of this issue. Without getting too detailed right now, yes, OK, I am going to get detailed--I read all the articles JSTOR could deliver. the book is mentioned (such as here, in the NYT) and cited a number of times, though it's not overwhelming: I found six citations and a review.

1. T. Markus Funk ("Straight Shooters," in Reason 29.4 (1997): 65-68) gives a very positive review of the book, praising it for bringing data to a debate that Funk as well as the authors suggest is often based on incomplete and incorrect data, on faulty perceptions.
2. There are two references in the Harvard Law Review. The first, by Eugene Volokh ("The Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope," Harvard Law Review 116.4 (2003): 1026-1137) is very brief, and only serves to support the following statement from the article: "Thus, for instance, gun rights supporters in a state where the media favors gun control more than the public does might worry that their gun rights may be eroded in small steps unless mildly pro-gun-rights voters are made aware of the slippery slope risk." That the author refers to Kleck to support that statement (which is about politics and perception) does not help much in asserting that Kates and Kleck are notable and somewhat objective observers of the Totenberg situation.
3. Dan M. Kahan ("The Secret Ambition of Deterrence," Harvard Law Review 113.2 (1999): 413-500) refers to the book to support one single statement: "The majority of persons who say that they favor gun control to reduce crime nevertheless answer "no" when asked if they believe that crime would in fact go down if the government enacted stricter gun control laws."
4. Sandra Swart Scott ("Who's Not Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Feminism and Firearms, in Agenda 45 (2000): 81-84) wrote a forum piece, in which she cites the book only for the following quote: "peaceful societies do not need general gun bans and violent societies do not benefit from them." In other words, the authors' opinion is cited in an opinion piece.
5. Michael Steven Green ("The Paradox of Auxiliary Rights: The Privilege against Self-Incrimination and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms," Duke Law Journal 52.1 (2002), 113-178) uses it only as a source for a decidedly anti-gun quote by Gary Wills.
6. Dan M. Kahan and Donald Braman (More Statistics, Less Persuasion: A Cultural Theory of Gun-Risk Perceptions," University of Pennsylvania Law Review 151.4 (2003): 1291-1327) cites the book for the same purpose as Michael Steven Green (supra, #5)
7. David B. Kopel ("Treating Guns like Consumer Products," University of Pennsylvania Law Review 148.4 (2000): 1213-1246) is probably the most useful for the purpose, citing the book a few times, esp. in regard to the date on defensive gun uses (like in countering home invasions)--and that particular datum (that between 1988 and 1993 there were 2.5 million defensive gun uses, according to Kleck) seems to be the most valuable thing that reviewers got out of the book.

   But besides that, I am just not seeing a wealth of valid criticism noted in reliable sources to support the position that Totenberg unfairly reports on the NRA or whatever the claim was. One mention in the Congressional records and one mention in a book published by, yes, a conservative think-thank--that just doesn't add up to a valid, well-sourced critique notable enough for inclusion. I note also that none of the reviews I looked at mention Totenberg, and only one of the citations addresses the role of the media, and then only slightly. In other words, whatever the merits of the book, I cannot say that their coverage and critique of media coverage is praised or even discussed in secondary sources. Thanks for your question, Drmies (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate you reviewing all the material you did and providing your in-depth assessment. I did find one book review that mentioned the Totenberg criticism from the book. It was a review of the book by a Cornell professor of government in the conservative American Spectator. Drrll (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a full reference? I don't mind being proven wrong. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Jeremy Rabkin ("Reviving the pre-Oklahoma City debate" in American Spectator 31.3 (1998): 78-82):

Don Kates reports in another chapter on the relentless misrepresentation of gun stories in the mass media. For example, a National Public Radio series by Nina Totenberg reported that the NRA's view of the Second Amendment can find no support in "America's law schools or its scholarly journals"--when, in fact, of more than 60 law review articles on the subject since 1980, "only a handful" deny that the Second Amendment was intended to protect individual gun-ownership. (Kates provides all the citations for anyone who wants to review this now impressive body of literature.)

The article is available through Lexis-Nexis, Ebsco, and Infotrac. Rabkin's WP article is here.Drrll (talk) 23:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Does this book review change your opinion about using the book as a source in the Totenberg article? Drrll (talk) 14:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I responded on the talk page. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Good work

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For actually making a start at tackling Tahash, rather than merely lementing its state as others have done. I tried before but got reverted all the way back by the owner after a few days, I won't let that happen again. Pontificalibus (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! But I've only scratched the surface, deleting the most obvious tripe not so relevant material, and have already been accused of vandalism. Hey, did you like the color swatches the editor inserted for our benefit? Drmies (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, removing those color swatches would likely be POV-pushing, or blanking vandalism or something.--Pontificalibus (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dear. LadyofShalott 02:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Did you see the article? The apex of its majestic arc was this version. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow. Someone likes pictures a wee bit too much. LadyofShalott 03:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey lady, look what clicking my big red button led me to. Drmies (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

February 2011

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebony March. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Settle down now. A small error is no reason to start throwing dirt around. Why don't you all shake hands and be friends? Drmies (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• What the hell--you're stalking me? I'm going to get Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk · contribs) to block you! Drmies (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Made Some Edits

You recently edited the article Khetran. I have corrected the references, books names were translated. Have a look at 'em to see if its alright.

The two books are http://www.dukandar.com/pakistankaysiyasi.html

http://www.emarkaz.com/shop/store/items_b.php?product_id=1468

OmerKhetran (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Omer--if you can cite those correctly in the article, that would be progress. I was wondering if they were translations and had no way of telling. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Happy Tsagaan Sar

Happy Tsagaan Sar doc. I had some buuz yesterday, they are great. I also saw Mutten Noodle Soup at the store a few days ago...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks K, and the same to you! That is fascinating stuff; I'm glad it tasted good. How's the situation there? Did they put you up in your own yurt, or did they stick you among the yaks? What an interesting place. I hope you get to see and enjoy some more of it. Take care K-stick! Drmies (talk) 01:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Drmies in his festive garb

**Interesting indeed, the kids were just out throwing milk into the wind to celebrate the first sunrise of the new year...they had abotu 30 minutes of fireworks at midnight, woke me up, I think they were the good ones, from China. I just moved from the camp slums to a new swank appartment, no yurt/ger, but we sure have enough of them on site. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• • • Wow. Hey, Mrs Drmies also thought those buuz looked good. What kind of spices do they use there? I can make this. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
      • They don't use spices...in this place, spaghetti sauce = ketchup + water. They usually get made by the thousands (similar to perogis are made in Manitoba), and make sure that you save some for me. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 06:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

TPS butting in to wish you a happy Tsagaan Sar! LadyofShalott 14:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

you would not believe some of the traditions...such as the cooked sheep that have been sitting on the tables in the cafeteria for two days...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! My Chinese colleague showed up today in his new year's garb. Very pretty! I wished him an happy Tsagaan Sar but he looked at me like I was crazy. And then the copier broke down--must have been a sign. Drmies (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, happy Chinese New Year, Losar, Seolnal, and Tết, while you're at it. ^Bongo_matic 02:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Jeanne Galzy

Notice the pretty blue color that has? So far it's just taken straight from the French article. LadyofShalott 01:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for smoothing out my stilted translations and adding to it, esp. with the ref.! LadyofShalott 02:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem--thanks for starting it. You and I should write up all these French lesbian prizewinners--it's a niche we can fill. Anyway, this is a DYK in the making; there's plenty of material. Do you wish to carry on for a bit so I can watch Duke? ;) Drmies (talk) 02:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Alright, nominate it, Lady! I think we're good to go. Nice working with you. Drmies (talk) 04:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I was going to say you're going to have to do any DYK nomming. I have no objection to the process, but find it cumbersome. I agree we should keep working on a series of these articles. LadyofShalott 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

BTW, you haven't seen a source that explicitly talks about her being lesbian (as opposed to just implying it with all the "autobiograpical"/"roman a clef" talk, have you? It would be nice to be able to state with a good ref. LadyofShalott 04:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Barest start in my sandbox for another starting with what frwiki had. I'll work on it some more tomorrow. LadyofShalott 05:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as I was able to see we will not be able to out her, no. It seems unlikely that she wouldn't be, given those key games, but there is no proof in the sources that I looked at. Come on, DYK is fun, and you get/have to review another submission. You might learn something. Live a little! Drmies (talk) 05:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.... I'll think about it. I found the template was a pita when I did it before. Anyway, it'll be tomorrow before I have enough brain power to do anything else. Tomorrow is my "Saturday" for the week though. LadyofShalott 05:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

While we're on the topics of notable lesbians, anyone want to do a little expansion to Van Dykes? 5x is well within the realm of feasibility, so a DYK awaits. ^Bongo_matic 15:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks interesting... I'll try to do some expansion when I have more time. LadyofShalott 19:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Ngome Marian Shrine

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DYK for Jocelyne François

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Mark Stephens

Just in case you don't see, I replied after your tick. Could you take another look? I may have to use my block hammer on you if you don't. SmartSE (talk) 22:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• Try me, SmartAss. Haha! Drmies (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Dahh - it's smartarse for those of speak real English :p I've agreed to meet halfway on this one, but maybe next time I'll resort to more heavy-handed tactics. SmartSE (talk) 14:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

James K. Frost

Thanks for your help in the clean up.. although I wanted to ask if his awards should be formatted differently?... I noticed you deleted a lot?.. I have a list on paper, so do they need to be verified? User:Filmproductionsource —Preceding undated comment added 04:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC).

• Hi, and thanks for your note. Basically, everything needs to be verified--see WP:V. Reliable sources need to be used as well, which is why I removed a number of the links. And especially since this is the biography of a living person, information that isn't properly verified (particularly contentious information) can be removed and sometimes should be removed. Since another editor marked the article as possibly having a conflict of interest one can expect a certain amount of scrutiny. Please let me know if I can be of any other assistance. Oh, one more thing: consider using WP:Citation templates for references; it makes them look very clean. See WP:CITE for details. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 04:43, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch

Is obviously a jew. I don't have the references to hand, but I'm right aren't I? 94.4.153.196 (talk) 05:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Are you serious? Do you really think this rather insensitive and silly remark is of encyclopedic value? What does "staunchly Jewish" even mean? Drmies (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

AFC Ajax

The user 213.122.149.180 (talk · contribs) added players from rivalling clubs, who never in any transfer rumour were linked to Ajax, to the current squad section and removed current players who were never rumoured to leave. Note that the user did exactly the same the day before on the article FC Bayern Munich. No matter how much I assume good faith, there is no credible explanation why this would be a mistake. The only reasonable explanation is vandalism. 83.84.195.88 (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Then please explain so, in a word or two, in your edit summary. You may know that every other person throws these players around without explanation and without verification, and from a distance yours looked no better than theirs. I'll have a look at their edits; thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Tahash again

The owner has started adding back his unrelated stuff. I don't want to get into an edit war so if you have time could you take a look and see if my reversion is reasonable? Not sure what to do long-term to stop this guy taking the article back to it's 200K state. --Pontificalibus (talk) 16:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Pontificalibus, I second that emotion. But I am not sure what to do next. You gave them a final warning for disruptive editing--perhaps you can report them on AIV and see what the response is there? Drmies (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I considered AIV before but thought they'd claim it was a content dispute. I have SPI'd him for now and will take to ANI if it carries on. --Pontificalibus (talk) 18:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I saw. I don't know what the rules are--Hermitstudy is perfectly stale, so maybe the IP edits will help your case. Good luck, and I'll check in regularly. Let me know if something pops up. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nine to the Universe

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Woohoo! Hey, HJ, do you have any idea how great that album is? I've loved it since 1981, and now it's on the front page--I'm tickled. Thank you to the good people at DYK. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm hoping that the prominent appearance here will have people clamoring for copies, which will get noticed by people in the industry, who will finally re-release it, and I'll finally get to hear it. Jimi's always been one of my favorites and, like him, I've also been "moving toward jazz". (By the way, for a while I was annoyed with John McLaughlin, as I was trying to write John McLaughlin (artist) and most of the stuff I was finding was about the musician.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be great? And on the B-side they can do the original, unedited versions. Or you could just wait a couple of days and check your mailbox. So, annoyed with McLaughlin, eh? Maybe you need a dose of Love Devotion Surrender. Drmies (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

BTW, thank you again for cleaning up after me. Drmies (talk) 19:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

If you're implying what I'm inferring.... Wow! Thanks! Oh, and of course, you're welcome for my minor cleanups. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Kenatipo/Sandbox

Thanks for putting those Cats back, hidden. What about the Default sort tag? Also, I put the noindex tag back -- Wikipedia must not speak with forked tongue to outside world. --Kenatipo ^speak! 23:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Honestly, I don't know about the Default tag--it's something I've only ever seen in real articles. I don't know what the noindex tag is, and I'm not exactly sure what you're saying about a forked tongue (don't bother explaining, thanks; I really don't want to have anything to do with your disagreement with that other editor). Drmies (talk) 00:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Karkadann

Hello! Your submission of Karkadann at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Guerillero | My Talk 04:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed your submission and everything looks great. Which hook is used is your call. Either one would work well. cheers --Guerillero | My Talk 19:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Twist of Shadows

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DYK nomination of MXR Dyna Comp

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List of hill forts and ancient settlements in Somerset

Thanks for the barnstar. If you want to dive in with any of the red links on List of hill forts and ancient settlements in Somerset feel free.— Rod ^talk 20:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome. And thanks for the invitation, but it seems to me that if I were to dive in I'd have a pretty steep learning curve... Good luck, and keep them coming. It's fascinating stuff--if you live long enough, maybe you'll get to step into a time machine and declare some of those places off-limits for quarrying... Drmies (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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Jeanne Galzy

Bonjour, the above article does seem ready for DYK, modulo a ctiation in a couple paragraphs. I also made a few tweaks, and hope did not do too much damage. I will also contact the creator, merci. W Nowicki (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks--good stuff! Drmies (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Louis Leithold

Hello! Your submission of Louis Leithold at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

thanks

hey buddy. thank you for expanding leithold. about external links I put them in article only for future using for source. when u use them in refrences there isn`t any need to them and should be removed. at end, I feeling sad when leithold haven`t article in en.wiki. because many engineers like me learn calculus from his books. I hope he will have the suitable biography in future. may english isn`t native, else I expand it as well.--Behtis (talk) 06:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, it was my pleasure. Interesting topic, nice person, and there were at least some sources around--enough to write a short biography. With what I had this was the best I could do; there simply was no more available. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

RS Question

{{help me}} Hello Drmies! I am new to Wikipedia, and am wondering if you would be able to help me better understand what makes a source reliable. Thank you for your help; I really appreciate it! Sc2008 14:29, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Sc2008, you don't need to use a 'helpme' for this; Drmies would see your message and reply. {{helpme}} is for calling for any helper, and should be used on your own talk page.

But...being as I am here, I may as well answer anyway :-)

...a reliable source is something with a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", and editorial control. Most of us would accept that the Times Newspaper is a 'reliable source' - ie, we trust them to check things. Of course, sometimes they get things wrong - but in those cases, there would be other contradictory sources - and we'd document the mainstream fact.

So most books, and decent-circulation newspapers, are usually good RS. Some websites can be - such as BBC News, or CNN - but the vast majority of websites are not.

An extra complication comes with companies own websites and suchlike; generally, they may be considered a RS, but as they are involved with the topic, they're also a primary source - and we try to avoid those where possible. They're fine for basic, simple facts, but shouldn't be used for any claims. For example, in an article about "Bob's Fish", we could use the Bob's Fish website to verify that the company was 'based in London', but we couldn't use it to verify that they "Sold over £9000 of fish per day".

The best way to decide if something is a RS or not is, common sense; would you trust it? Most people don't "trust" blogs to be correct, and thus they are not considered RS (with some rare exceptions). Amazon reviews of books are not reliable, because anyone can post them; similarly, wikis are not RS, because (usually) anyone can edit them.

So, if the Times is RS, and "Joe's Blog" is not...of course, there are a lot of less clear-cut cases in-between. When you are not sure, you should ask on the reliable sources noticeboard, and - like all other aspects of Wikipedia - go along with what the consensus has to say about it.

Hope that helps.  Chzz  ►  15:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

What Chzz says! Thanks Chzz. Sc, does that help? Drop me a line if Chzz can be of further assistance, haha. Drmies (talk) 17:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much Chzz and Drmies, that is a great help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc2008 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jeanne Galzy

Hello! Your submission of Jeanne Galzy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I just read through that discussion again, and wow. Do you wonder why I hesitate to wade in those waters? Thank you for doing it! LadyofShalott 04:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing, Lady. Hey, will you do me a favor? Look at my new userbox and tell me if that use of the logo is OK? Squank you! Drmies (talk) 04:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I wish I could say yes, but, no. It's verboten to use non-free images in userspace. Sowwy! LadyofShalott 04:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey, can you squash it? I don't know what else to stick in there (can't find the proper font for a "D", and it's bedtime anyway. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done Sleep well! LadyofShalott 05:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help at Espanola Valley High School. That article is an ongoing mess, largely because of a large sock drawer. See the latest case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PoliticianTexas. LadyofShalott 01:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Wow--how is it possible that you're on it at the same time that I am? For once I looked at my watchlist and clicked on pretty much a random article, two minutes after you're active on the same article! More serendipity--look at this edit. Maybe God/s/ess is/are/is trying to tell me something. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Cue Twilight Zone theme music. LadyofShalott 02:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 11 February 2011

--Guerillero | My Talk 01:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

•  Done (I'm not sure what we're doing, but I did something.) Drmies (talk) 02:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Lighthouses

I don't actually speak Dutch, but as long as something to the effect that "X is a lighthouse in [province]; it was constructed in [year]" is an acceptable start, then I can do a few. Not sure if it'll be tonight - I'm kind of in and out at the moment.

And yes, he does have a lot to answer for, doesn't he? :-) Happy to be of assistance. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, I appreciate it--but I started it so I should finish. There's infoboxes to be done also. No, you run on along, you gnome, and categorize the rest of the world, and I'll make them stubby stubbies. Drmies (talk) 03:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Hey, I'm not picky - I can do stubs, too. Got a couple of Peruvians I want to work on tomorrow, too... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Ser, you are truly a Renaissance person. Which reminds me... Drmies (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Dutch IJ

What's going on with that? Do they function as a single letter? LadyofShalott 03:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• It's a digraph, Lady--get used to it: IJ (digraph). I have one in my last name, haha. Drmies (talk) 03:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, interesting - thanks! LadyofShalott 03:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'm tired of lighthouses. And I'm watching Eragon, which is pretty juvenile--time for a change of pace. Beer! Drmies (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Yech. Haha, but you enjoy it! LadyofShalott 03:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it gets worse: this is next. Care to turn that article into a DYK nomination? Drmies (talk) 04:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, let's put it this way: some article topics catch my fancy, and others do not. Guess which category this one's in. ;-) LadyofShalott 04:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

<--Note the tiny little spelling correction in here. I had to make the same correction in my last name at age 16, when I discovered that I was spelled differently in the Bevolkingsregister... Drmies (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Curious... I notice that in the article on the person, the title uses the "y" spelling, but then seems to use "ij" throughout the text. LadyofShalott 18:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, for the Dutchies it's really the same. No wonder we couldn't hold New York or Indonesia. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, one of my ancestresses was of Dutch descent in Acquackanonk, New Jersey. My parents gave me her full married name as my name. (No ij/y in there, but this discussion makes me wonder if there might have once been one that got Anglicised out.) LadyofShalott 01:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Why thank you kindly

*blush*

This is for you:

		WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Award
		For your fine and excellent work in the creation of Rijksmonument-related articles, I award you this reappropriated WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Award. Should make a nice addition to the mantlepiece... Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a pity we don't have an international historic-site-related award; maybe I'll work one up someday. In the interim, this will have to do. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Ser, you are being too kind: others have done much more than I have on this and related projects--I'm thinking of User:Mjroots, for instance, and other editors involved with Rijksmonument. Your evil pal got this particular ball rolling, and User:LadyofShalott has gone beyond the call of duty as well. Still, I thank you! Drmies (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • You're most welcome. And I, too, am serious - I'm happy to see that a condified attempt to catalogue and describe historic sites internationally is beginning to take off here. Back when WP:NRHP was started, I had considered making the suggestion, but I really didn't know what the best way of standardizing it would be. I wish I could be more involved, but alas I do not have the time to create in-depth articles as once I did. So the least I can do is nibble about the edges.

• • Thanks very much for the kind words - they are greatly appreciated. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for MXR Dyna Comp

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Need your help with this paragraph

Yup, that's my noggin too.

Could you take a look at it? From missnederland.nl:

Vanaf nu zullen er in alle provincies verkiezingen worden georganiseerd, waarbij de uiteindelijke 12 finalisten voor de landelijke Miss Nederland Verkiezing op 15 mei bekend zullen worden gemaakt tijdens de spectaculaire haarshow van Farouk Systems Europe in Studio 21 te Hilversum.

Need confirmation if may 15 is the press presentation, or Miss Nederland finals night. It may cause confusion, and the correct translation would sort things out. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide.--John KB (talk) 19:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hey John, the twelve finalists are to be announced on May 15--during a spectacular hairshow! I can barely wait! Drmies (talk) 20:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, me too! Thanks, Drmies. --John KB (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Genpo Merzel

Thanks for trying to fix the Dennis Genpo Merzel article. I should warn you, you may be in for a bumpy ride with this one. 20:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oh no, far from it--I think there's an editor playing with fire. Thanks for your note! Drmies (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  • There have also been issues with the Adi Da Samraj article: the same editor has been verbally abusive of other editors, and has also reverted all edits other than his own. (The article is not really all that terrible as is, but it is impossible to work on it.) Timothy Horrigan (talk) 20:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
    • I am not going to say anything about the editor, though they are not interacting very courteously with me. My interest is with WP:BLP, and for now it seems they have stopped inserting the offensive material. But thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 21:16, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Merzel

Hey, this page was largely constructed by numbers of other editors. I've been trying to clean it up. I am no fan of this guy, nor a critic, but the Big Mind stuff, though uncited, is a fair summary of it. I will try to back it with citations, but nothing in it is offensive, or inaccurate. So please avoid section blanking and give editors a chance to keep working on it. The page is flagged, and work is being done.Tao2911 (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Come on now. Allegations of sexual misconduct, a guy is kicked out of his job, and this is sourced to what--a blog? There is no such thing as a fair uncited summary of that kind of material. Drmies (talk) 20:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Merzel and the zen center he founded did put out press releases a few days ago: he admitted to unspecified wrongdoing, he did "disrobe" as a zen priest (whatever that really means in practice), he did resign as the head of the center, and the center did announce that they would continue their work under new leadership. Those are established facts. It might be a good idea to wait a while before fixing the article, which is in any case about a person of limited prominence. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 21:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not sourced to a blog - it's sourced to his and his organizations' own public statements, backed up by a news feed article by the main journal in the field (Tricycle.) PLus you balnked 75% of the page clearly having no familiarty with the subject. But you can have it. if this is how you roll, I'll let other admins try to reign in your abuses.Tao2911 (talk) 21:00, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Good luck. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

with what exactly?Tao2911 (talk) 21:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• With finding someone to rein in my abuses. Alleged abuses! Whatever is going on with that dude (and I have no idea, and no interest), it simply cannot be that Wikipedia articles make such claims without using reliable sources--they are BLP violations of the most egregious kind. I have no interest in or claim to the article, I have never edited it, and I have no love for the self-proclaimed spiritual masters, but I cannot let nameless and faceless editors add information of this nature without scrupulous sources. I can look around and possibly find verification for some of the claims, but in the meantime we have an article filled with potential slander. I have asked other editors (at the BLP noticeboard) and administrators to have a look, because I am fallible as much as your subject, if not more, and if they say that I have been abusive, I'll accept the fact. But on your side, after I removed the information and explained why, you could have thought twice--before crying 'vandalism' and asking an admin in your edit summary. Drmies (talk) 21:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

btw, mention of his retirement/disrobing has been reinserted, using the same sources you rejected before. Did you only object when I did it, hmmm?Tao2911 (talk) 00:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Care to take a look?

I just made Lucy Cobb Institute live in the mainspace, and it needs somebody else's eyes. LadyofShalott 23:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Lady, what a wonderful piece of work; I am proud of you. Mandarax, you old talk page stalker, thanks to you as well. I'd throw barnstars both of y'all's ways, but I don't want you to get too proud. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice words and for the help! (What's a century or so amongst friends? Whoops!) LadyofShalott 02:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Louis Leithold

Orlady (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

User 78.172.193.24

Hello Drmies, this is Aram-van. We should really do something with the user 78.172.193.24. Have you seen his last statements here:http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:78.172.193.24. That's a violation of Wikipedia rules. Aram-van--Aram-van (talk) 10:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Aram-van. Yes, I saw those remarks and was about to respond to them, but I refrained: see WP:DNFTT. There is no point in engaging such an editor in conversation, and having them blocked for being an offensive idiot isn't really worth it (and at the most they'd be blocked for 24 hrs or so). I'm keeping an eye on their contributions; yesterday, they hadn't edited any more articles. If you run into similar edits made in the articles you're watching, keep it cool--revert, and if it gets out of hand, back off and let an administrator or, after you've warned them plenty, report them at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Keep me posted, if you don't mind. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
• No problem. Aram-van--Aram-van (talk) 15:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
  • See User:Hedoma. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Karkadann

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and congratulations!

Thank you so much! Wow! It's great! (Help! I can't stop using exclamation points!) You're too kind. Oh, and it was fascinating to see that dogs in your part of the world are very cute, and have six to eight legs. Here, they usually just have four.

BTW, belated congratulations on your goodarticlization of The Land of Green Plums. Was that your first? That achievement really needs to be on your User page.

Anyways, thanks again. You're the greatest! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

• Aw shucks, Mandarax. But isn't it a fantastic album? And isn't it a crying shame that they never re-released it? (In other news: Guillaume de Dole was also promoted recently--I don't know how to put those cute little stars up there; feel free!) Thanks for your note! Drmies (talk) 02:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

My new project

I've just started to work on User:LadyofShalott/Mildred Lewis Rutherford. Looks like her work at Lucy Cobb Institute is just the tip of the iceberg. She was an important member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, and a prolific writer. She was an anti-suffragist and a secessionist, but "played an active role in the economy and politics of the New South" (Case, 2009). It's going to take some time to write a decent article here, but I think this is one that is well worth the time. LadyofShalott 05:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC) BTW, this is probably really silly (and I'm laughing at myself for even writing this), but I feel the need to make the disclaimer that even though I've found the subject interesting enough to want to write an article, that I don't agree with the politics of said historical personage. LadyofShalott 05:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

• Haha, you're such an apologist. Listen, I've been playing the Black Crowes, but that doesn't mean I want to secede, or that I smoke dope. Then again--aren't you a Southern female librarian? That means you either do bellybutton shots, or you write novels in the vein of Caroline Lee Hentz (who deserves a better article, by the way). I'm glad you're onto something interesting. That reminds me, I've been asked to contribute by the Encyclopedia of Alabama (and I'm sure you all have something similar, but I feel like that's dilution. I believe in WP. Later, Drmies (talk) 15:04, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jeanne Galzy

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Very late message that I've been meaning to leave you: you should take full credit for creation of this article, not just nominating it - while I started it with translation from the French, you added much to it, including much content and all the references. LadyofShalott 05:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Lady. I think I actually do take credit for her in my DYK count--a bit deceptively so, perhaps. Hey, I have fun working on articles with you. That Atlanta neighborhood thing, that was great, for instance. Ah for the good old days...drinking some bourbon, thinking about bacon, rattling off crazy articles with ChildofMidnight...Hey, what are we doing next? I wish I had my Lexikon des Mittelalters here at home, I'd be cranking them out one after another. And all copyvios, of course! Drmies (talk) 05:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. I'm working (slowly) on the Mildred Rutherford article. With that, I'm finding some good stuff to expand Lucy Cobb Institute. "In 1917 Elizabeth Avery Colton of the Association of College Women wrote in her etensive report on southern higher education for women that 'a diploma from Lucy Cobb Institute, which does not pretend to be a college, is preferable to a degree from any of the nominal nine colleges [in Georgia]'". I like working together. I think the best stuff I've done here mostly has been what I've done collaboratively with you and with APK (I wish he'd come back to WP). LadyofShalott 05:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Lady, that is the nicest thing I've heard in years. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:45, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the congrats. But hey, 138 ain't too shabby! You're not far behind! lol — Hunter Kahn 22:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

• Knock it off, Hunter Kahn. Your FA/GA/DYK per edit ratio is just ridiculous. In fact, I do not believe you are a single editor: you are probably a consortium of people churning out these Featured/Good/Hooky articles 24/7. I'm going to ask Jimmy Wales for a Check user--that is, to check if you're really a user. You may be more users. Or you may be some supersmart robot. Do you play chess as well? Are you taking over the world? Can you fix global warming? Grrr! Drmies (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Citation help

Hey, you seem to be good with the citation templates. What do I do with this situation? I've got a book originally published in 1923 by publisher A in city A, then "reprinted with new material" in 2000 by publisher B in city B. Is there a template that can handle that? LadyofShalott 00:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Honestly, there's a lot there that I don't know. But look at Template:Cite book--there's a lot there that's not found in the usual pull-down menu of that gadget, incl. "original year" (if only it had "original publ."). So, if it were me, I'd use the regular pull-down template (that's what I always use, and then add the field. And you can always be like an English major, and add that information in the note, with the templated reference at the end. Does that help? If not, let me know. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oh, there's a useful "edition" field as well. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

(ec) Um, I think so. I'll see if I can make it work. This is an odd little book. It's titled History of Athens and Clarke County, Georgia, but there does not seem to be any overarching (author or) editor listed, just individual authors of pieces within it, and not all the pieces within it seem to give authors! (There are a bunch of biographical sketches of people, and none of them give any clue as to who wrote them.) What has caught my eye is a "Sketch of Lucy Cobb Institute", by Mildred Lewis Rutherford. LadyofShalott 01:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I came up with a resolution, and it's in the LCI article (referencing that Millie Rutherford was herself a grad of the school). I hope it's clear enough. LadyofShalott 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Note 12? Yes, looks good. Drmies (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

another citation help

Drmies - in attempting to help a new editor with an addition to notable people in Coconut Grove I added the citation for Neal Colzie to show he lived in Coconut Grove. It was the only one I could find. Why did you revert it? How about putting it back? GroveGuy (talk) 03:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Jumping in here... Hi Grove - the answer is that you were using Facebook as a source, and that does not meet our reliable sourcing requirements. Maybe you can find a newspaper article or somesuch that shows he lives there. LadyofShalott 04:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I learn something every day. Please point out to me where it says Facebook is less reliable than a newspaper article. Here in Miami all the people have left the Miami Herald and are working on corporate facebooks and twitters. GroveGuy (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, basically, WP:RS. You can't base an encyclopedia on a social networking site. If one did, I'd be the master of the universe, holding a dodo. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Today article

Regarding the change you reverted, please see Special:Contributions/JoMontNW and Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of JoMontNW for an understanding of what is going on. Thanks for fixing it. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks--I just saw that, and left a note on Sarek's talk page. Why people go through so much trouble for something like that is a mystery to me. Thanks for staying on top of it! Drmies (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

MoS?

Jamie Lynn Spears and Mariah Carey also have this same format. Perhaps they should be snipped as well? Both articles are well-sourced. Estheroliver (talk) 05:41, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

• I noticed the moving of her birth place, for instance--and I see that you noticed that I noticed. Pardon me--it appears that I had no business messing with your work. Sorry. Anyway, I just saw (and Cathy Song led me there) that the 1999 winner of the Yale Series of Younger Poets Competition is dead. I have his book in front of me--it's great. Again, my apologies. Drmies (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

That's fine. She is indeed of Chinese and Korean descent. I know this because I had to read a couple pieces of hers for my college course, and I have several references that support that fact. They have since been added to the article. Estheroliver (talk) 05:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Esther, do you have these critical studies listed in the article? They really need to be incorporated, since WP articles are not bibliographies. If you have them (and I can certainly find some of them), they can be the basis for a section that talks in-depth about her work. See, for instance, Philip_Larkin#Legacy or Jeanne_Galzy#Themes_and_critiques.2C_appreciation. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lucy Cobb Institute

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:41, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

• Mandarax, what are you doing here, templating the DYK regulars? Don't you have some PERSONDATA to sort??? ;) Drmies (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hehe, after I pointed out that the bot was misbehaving, I got drafted to take care of all the credits. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:11, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• Well, thanks! The world needs people like you, that's clear. But when you said, "the next queue still has to be incremented", did anyone know what you meant? ;) In other news: I got my Crybaby in. Can't wait until the women folk leave the house for an hour and I can crank the Marshall up. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• Well, one of them left. Afterward, my five-year old hit me for hurting her ears. It's the price we rockers have to pay for our art. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

LOL. I can sympathize with your daughter, as my brother's guitar playing has sometimes hurt my ears. And yes, of course he has a Marshall amp, but I'm afraid I don't know which model. He just called last night; I should've asked him. Oh, and about incrementing the queue... I'm surprised whenever anybody knows what I'm talking about. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:46, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Poor kid! I hope you have a good set of earplugs so you aren't making yourself completely deaf. LadyofShalott 21:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Who's the poor kid? Mandarax? Listen, my kids (at least one of them) spent naptime messing around--and messing up papa's naptime. I have no mercy this afternoon. Mandarax, if your brother has one of these, ask if you can have it and don't tell him what it's worth. I'll trade you for it. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I was a little confused, because you wrote that the Marshall JTM 45, their first amp, was first produced in 1962. Yet here's a 1959 model. Fortunately, you cleared up my confusion in Marshall 1959. The $9,000 price at Amazon looked like a bargain, compared to the 50,000 price tag on the one in the article. But that 2008 photo was from someone in Sweden, so it's probably 50,000 Swedish krona (about $7800 at current exchange rates). I wouldn't be surprised if that is my brother's model, as I think it looks just the same. But, of course, more likely it's one of the reissues or even something entirely different. Hmmm... for someone who claimed in an ironically long note on my talk page to have writer's block, I do seem to be rather wordy these days.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

<--That's fine, Mandarax. Your loquaciousness is appreciated on these pages. Yes, that stuff about years and model numbers confused me as well, at first; I added a separate section identifying model numbers on the template and I hope I got them right. Power to your brother, although it sounds like he needs to grow up, get a job, and/or get married. But I'm sure you've told him that! ;) Drmies (talk) 19:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I just realized a bit of a coincidence. Not only do you and my brother both have Marshall amps, but you're both into motorcycles. He even did Sturgis a few times. So you two are basically the same person. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, I'm not so sure he would like that! And I'm into Japanese bikes anyway...does he drink beers he can't afford? Drmies (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Marshall JCM800

Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 06:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Marshall JTM 45

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

WHACK!!!!!!

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Dont call IPs morons...... its not nice. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

• Point well taken. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Also tempted to give you a barnstar for dealing with BLP issues surrounding the name calling :-) The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Ha, thanks... Where I live, this is a huge deal, and I am quite a tree hugger (visitors of the oaks are now asked not to hug the trees and disturb the soil), but that doesn't mean that the dude we suspect did it ought to be crucified, with name and address, on Wikipedia. (I just left a response to a very sensible comment at Noticeboard#Auburn_Tigers_football.23Toomer.27s_Corner.) Thanks again, RA! Now I'm going to floss the scales from my teeth and fry your trout. Drmies (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Replying to your note on my talk page

Hi Drmies. Sorry it's taken me so long to write you back; I just noticed your and Moni3's notes on my talk page :-)

I think you're right that appealing to new editors on the basis of their ability to write might work better than appeals based on expertise. The expertise appeals only work on people who are really unusually self-assured: our research, in fact, says that the reason people give most frequently for why they don't edit is because they don't think they know anything in particular. But lots of people are good writers and editors, and it's usually something they're confident about.

Did you say that you're having a Wikipedia editing workshop at your school in the spring? If you like, ping me at sue@wikimedia.org, and I'll try to line up some Wikipedia swag (t-shirts, buttons) to send to you :-)

Thanks, Sue Gardner (talk) 06:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

User Notamathmajor

Thanks for dealing with User:Notamathmajor and his vandalism. He's still at it, currently with the IP address 128.205.201.146 . I have no idea how acute vandalism from an IP address gets dealt with, and I'm guessing that you're experienced enough to know. Could you please continue to keep an eye on Total least squares? Thanks so much. Duoduoduo (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

clarifying

• To respond to your comment, I wasn't complaining about you trying to delete something, only the manner you were doing so. If you think something should be deleted, then go through the proper processes, don't just pretend the information was merged when you know it was not. That's a delete, not a merge. Please read the top of Wikipedia:Merge. I notice even your edit summary on your talk page says "merge" instead of "deleting". [4] Dream Focus 17:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Dream, I appreciate the clarification. Please note that I did merge, and then deleted the unverified, non-notable content. Sometimes there is something worth saving, sometimes there isn't. A merge saves the history and can allow for easy restoration if sources pop up, and it leaves a redirect--I think this is desirable, and as DGG used to say, redirects are cheap. So yes, the information was merged (honoring the GFDL), and then properly cut as unverified and unencyclopedic, in this editor's opinion. This is exactly the kind of thing that [Wikipedia:Be bold]] suggests, and it is something that can easily be undone, as it was for that dancer's article. If that editor who reverted me had added anything of substance, I would not have brought it to AfD. Incidentally, your comment had the misfortune of being followed by some not so helpful commentary; I hope you know that you have earned the right to complain to me and about me here and anywhere else. Thanks, and if you manage to find RS for that dancer's article, power to you! Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
    • But you merged over everything and then properly cut everything, in the same minute according to the edit history. If you knew nothing was worthy of being over there, there was no need to do that. Having it in the edit history of an article it doesn't belong, isn't really helpful. Just put a regular redirect, and anyone searching for it, gets redirected, but can go back to that article and look through the history in the proper area. This is easier than trying to find the history mixed in the ever lengthening history of the other article. If anyone objects to the redirect, then of course, take it to the AFD. Dream Focus 18:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
      • I disagree. Saving contributions is helpful, and my merging and cutting may take place in the same minute, but only after I have read the article. I'm not sure what you mean with a "regular redirect"--I think you are suggesting that I nominate those articles for deletion? But I won't do that if there might be anything worth saving, or if the redirect is valuable as a search term. Drmies (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

RE: User page

Believe me that is not patience, is control. He wants to block me, ban me, kill me, and I am the only affected here, and if I do any attack, I would be blocked as well, and it's really unfair. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 19:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

• Well, you're not alone as far as I am concerned. I'd like to see a bit more than 31 hours on that IP, that's for sure, but that may still happen. Aren't genre warriors among the worst? Take care, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Red Hot Chili Peppers

As for the info I just posted...the current edit you have up is misleading. Sadly alot of the mainstrea media has picked up on the Spin article and taking the quote out of context as well. That's why I think the quote from Anthony about where he says where the long title comes from and also says the band promised not to use that as the official album title should be in the article to end any confusion about that being the next album title (though you will always have people changing it until a official album title is known). I have done alot to clean up the RHCP article to keep it nice and neat. A majority of what is seen on there was posted/edited by me and been up there for a while with no complaints until now. Jason1978 (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not sure what you mean with misleading: it is the working title; that's what Kiedis says in the interview. Where that title might come from is really not very encyclopedic, as far as I'm concerned--the link to the article is there for whoever wants to read more (if you want to be inclusive, you'd have to cite the whole interview). An earlier version of the article actually had paragraphs full of updates about recordings and rumors and titles and sessions and whatnot, none of which really added up to anything--you can still see it in the history, and then you'll know what I mean. To stop the unhelpful beginnings of an album for which we don't have a title, I actually created the redirect Dr. Johnny Skinz's Disproportionately Rambunctious Polar Express Machine-head. Thanks for keeping it clean, Drmies (talk) 05:55, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
• BTW, there's something not right in your signature: the talk page link leads to User talk:Jason 1978--note the space between name and number. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

An image for your article

Hi Drmies, I found an image for the article that I believe has a free license to upload to Commons. The image is so-so, but at least it is an image. Here it is. Cheers.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Mbz--thanks! I cropped the image and added it. It was an interesting learning experience; thanks for giving me the little push. BTW, I watched the penguin video: it was fantastic. And what tragedy, the one that slipped back in, all the way at the end. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Hi Drmies, thanks for commenting on my husband's video. Here's one more little push just for you: You may want to add this image to your DYK nomination. Cheers.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
    •  Done Thank you! Drmies (talk) 01:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Bacon

Yes, I know you love bacon, but you took a second helping, and that's just too much. I'll leave it to you to decide whether to delete one version or add it as an ALT to the other. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oh no--don't tell me I nominated the stupid thing twice... I am afraid to click on these links. Someone please invent a cure for Alzheimer's quickly... Drmies (talk) 01:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Ai merde. Thanks! I left the most recent one--or did you like the other one better? There wasn't much of a difference... And BTW, I've moved away from bacon, and am now a devotee of salt pork. Yessirree! And I'm reading a wild novel, thanks to Malleus: The Green Child. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Martin D-45

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Assam News

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Spliced (TV series)

Any suggestion as to how to stop the edit warring here? Girloveswaffles (talk · contribs) has done nothing but constantly re-add the same indiscriminate info. Their most recent to the talk page said:

It was not a question of weather or not you liked the show, but of not deleting a complete section because you don't like the minor character section. Removing a complete section of other people(s) input is tantamount to vandalism. once again, if you feel some of the information is wrong, correct it. But don't delete a complete area of a topic just for your own preferences. once again may I remind you, some of these "Minor" characters are reoccurring, and there are links and information about voice actors in this section.

It seems they'll go to any length to keep the info there; the editor has clear WP:OWN issues. Can you set them straight? I'm getting no help whatsoever at ANI. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know, Hammer. I think I said all I could say in my edit summary. That's the problem with these kinds of issues--all too quickly they're (deemed) content issues, and that's pretty much the end of it. In this case, it's unverified and that helps in removal. But I'll keep an eye on it as much as I can, and maybe I'll drop a note on the talk page or the editor's talk page if it continues. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 02:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

• They just won't give up. Reverted YET AGAIN. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 13:12, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Josh Freese and The Offspring-related articles

Drimes, I was in the middle of adding some information that appears to be accurate in some The Offspring-related articles and you stopped me in my tracks. I know Twitter is not a reliable source, but that's the only source so far that has the information about its drummer Josh Freese and Pete Parada both playing and recording the drum tracks on the band's next album. If you're faster and better at cleaning up any page than I am, fine keep reverting, but those changes I added are somewhat accurate. 76.191.133.247 (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

• Well, sorry, but Twitter indeed is not a reliable source. In general, if no reliable source has reported on it, it shouldn't be added. I might add that such news flashes on upcoming albums are generally not deemed worthy of inclusion: we are not the news, and we are also not a crystal ball. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Cebu Doctors' University Article

Drmies,

Article: Cebu Doctors' University

I appreciate what you did with the above article with that user. It took me a while to fix up the infobox and I plan on improving that article sometime this year. Once again anything I can do in return, please ask. What you did, is appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

MfD comment

In your comment at MfD, you wrote (mine bolded): "There's plenty of justification here (and right below, in a comment from someone who doesn't deserve a response) to call people juvenile--and in that respect having underage girls portrayed as sex kittens is very appropriate." I think you mean "inappropriate". Cunard (talk) 02:26, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you Cunard. I tweaked the statement. One probably shoulnd't write about this stuff when one is upset--and especially not during bath time for my own underage girls. Maybe I am a prude after all, maybe that's what fatherhood does. But I'm also tired of being called names by whipper-snappers. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 02:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• Agreed. When I saw this comment and this comment, I had to bite my tongue, as there were some choice feelings I wanted to convey that would have gotten me blocked for some time. And the early trend of the MfD when the page was in this despicable, revolting state, was somewhat disheartening, which is why I spent some time picking apart each of their arguments. A few of the comments at the MfD in the past few days have been extremely offensive, immature, and insensitive. I have lately kept out of the fray as the allegations of bad faith and censorship have been wearisome. I wonder how many of those who have posted extremely insensitive and ignorant comments have children. Probably none. I hope the debate is closed as "delete", not "userfy" or "move to WikiProject Anime", as I can foresee another drama-filled MfD in the not so distant future. Cunard (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

The picture and caption about the character being made to pose sexually for the camera is so horrid, that I'm amazed and appalled it was ever let stand... but then, I'm a humorless prude, so my opinion doesn't count or something. LadyofShalott 03:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Maybe there's a support group for us. Or maybe there should be a boring old person's Wikipedia, devoted only to trite stuff such as article writing. Or maybe we should be relegated to just building the framework for more enlightened and high-spirited kids to write articles about pop culture lolicons (during that inane discussion I learned what those are--and I just now discovered the shotacon--woohoo!). Here we are, Lady, getting our articles together for March 8. Maybe that Wikipe-tan could be on the front page that day. Drmies (talk) 04:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan (2nd nomination) LadyofShalott 03:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, I saw... Drmies (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Article restored

I've restored the FK Atletico Beograd article as its status as a hoax was contested. Would you like me to reopen the AfD discussion as well? Or would you like to renominate it with a different deletion rationale? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• Well, it seems that A7 was enough... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Spliced

Can you put an end to this edit war already? I can't get through to Girloveswaffles that their re-adding the info without discussion isn't helping. They'll discuss, then go back and re-spam all the indiscriminate info. ALL of it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• And now they're blocked because of it. They solved their own problem. Take it easy Hammer, Drmies (talk) 02:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Thanks!

You're most certainly welcome Drmies, thanks for your message. I'd normally attempt to update tags in situations like that, but your edit summary was clearly enough to convince me to leave that grey-area alone. Though I'm unfamiliar with the sources in question, I'm very familiar with your user-name from frequent sightings of your quality edits... and tend to put a lot of trust in whatever you leave behind on your trail. It's a pretty safe bet that I'm unlikely to ever go wrong by following your lead :). Have yourself a great day Drmies, and happy editing!  -- WikHead (talk) 21:02, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Neelix

What do you mean: "Yep, there goes my RfA.."? Opt in for Soxred edit analysis and we'll take a look. You have a GA and an FA to your name and the 100 or creations I've checked at random are a fine demonstration of content work and the need and understanding of references and their policy, and your comments on talk pages demonstrate a calm disposition. The only time you have been blocked was for eating bacon. What more do you want? I'm sure you would pass at RfA :) --Kudpung (talk) 05:15, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

• Huh? I thought they wiped that off my record! Cirt, no doubt... No, the joke was that if someone with 4 DYKs is supposed to be obsessed with them, then I don't stand a chance. As a matter of fact, I am thinking about it, and when I have time (to answer questions quickly, that is), I might. BTW, yours seems to be going well so far--and deservedly so. Thanks for your nice words, and good luck! Drmies (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops! I've just sent you an email before I saw the reply above :) - nothing to do with my RfA.--Kudpung (talk) 05:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I have email? That is so exciting! Thanks! (No Wikipe-tans attached, I hope.) Drmies (talk) 05:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

OK Kudpung, sure--I will send you 100 kilograms of cocaine for the agreed price, in a couple of weeks, and that's a much better deal than Boing is getting. But next time, message me through Facebook: it has better security. To the talk page stalkers: Some of the things I just wrote are probably not true. Boing, you're getting a fair price, no worries. Drmies (talk) 05:35, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You're not helping our country's reputation, my good Doctor. Anyway, don't you think this impious heretic should be indefinitely blocked? Ucucha 04:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

<--Oh, it wasn't really about cocaine, you kneuw. It was all in code. The capybara editor deserves a block for their first edit and a barnstar for their second. Did you see what I've been working on tonight, speaking of the motherland? Drmies (talk) 04:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Pipo de Clown! Great. Ucucha 12:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Mighty Jill Off

Thank you for copyediting the article. I once took a crack at doing my second draft, but unfortunately, it was lost in the process of a Firefox crash, and I just lost spirit in finishing it I suppose. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

It was me, and don't worry - I'm aware of my uneven levels of spirit vs. prose. :p - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

• I said mean things in an edit summary but much nicer things right now on your talk page. Oh, I also removed the two tags--that's a pretty clear case of non-applicable templates, as far as I'm concerned. Hey, I wish you had nominated this for DYK! Imagine the hooks you could have written! Thanks, for your note and for your content, Drmies (talk) 05:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Deletions on Rock and Roll (dance)

Hi, on page Rock and Roll (dance) you deleted the section on Roman Kolb and shortened the one on Angueira. Any reasons for this? As far as I can tell (being a dancer myself, but not since Kolb's times), R. Kolb is at least as well-known and as successful as Angueira. So I'd propose either keeping the parts on both, or deleting the section on notable dancers altogether. I believe mentioning both dancers makes sense, and Wikipedia guideline is that "Notability guidelines do not limit content within an article", so I'd keep the parts, but I wanted to check with you first. Sebastian (talk) 09:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, you deleted *all* the external links in the article. While some may be of limited value, at least the link to the WRRC should definitely stay - it's the official site of the official worldwide organization for the sport, so as close to an "official" page about the subject as you can get (see http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:EL#Official_links ). Any objections to restoring the link? Sebastian (talk) 09:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Sebastian: first of all, the WRRC link--you are absolutely correct, and I think I may have accidentally deleted that one. I've restored it; thank you for notifying me. Second, yes, those entries. Typically, such "notables" sections don't require much if any identifying information since that is to be found in the article. If you want to add a real, real short note I couldn't object, but the problem with more extensive commentary is that it really requires verification (especially since living people are involved). If there's nothing, and all the info is in the linked article, then one can presume that it's verified there, and that requires only half the maintenance (updates, link repair, etc.--like the note on Angueira's current partner). Now, the first one, for Kolb, that was a redlink, and we can't have that for notables: if they are redlinks, they're not that notable yet. Moreover, the entry said things like "During his time as a dancer Kolb combined excellent dancing with groundbreaking acrobatic routines," and such unverified and non-neutral language is not encyclopedic; something similar applies to part of the other entry, for Angueira: "He has set the standard for aesthetics of Rock'n'Roll for over a decade"...that may well be true, but it needs verification, and even then it's not really objective enough. Does that help?

  Thanks for leaving a note and not simply reverting. I appreciate the thought, and thank you also for pointing out my error in removing the WRRC link (I do think the others are not acceptable). Drmies (talk) 15:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

• Have a look at the dance infobox I put in there. It doesn't have all the info that the old table did, but I think it looks a little cleaner. Whatever info is not in there should go in the article, I guess. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

talkpage redirect

Its not ok to redirect your talkpage is it? not as I have seen. See http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MoonLichen&diff=416502453&oldid=416330828 and replacing it with a bit of a personal attack, perhaps someone should ask an admin to have a word with him. Off2riorob (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done and watching now. LadyofShalott 17:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Lady - Off2riorob (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Right on. I also learned that I'm a fucking moron, but I've been called worse, haha. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Right. Now warned for that as well. LadyofShalott 18:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You know, when a child gets angry and says to papa, "I don't like you," that hurts the worst. Oh, today we had fun--I took her to the dentist, and the way back we got ice cream (and papa got a chipotle barbecue bacon burger); it was like playing hookie. Wonderful! Drmies (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I wish I were younger, and more handsome, and rich, and that my name was something like Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg... Drmies (talk) 19:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You could always change your name... Someone's parents didn't know when to stop! LadyofShalott 16:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Reliable source

Hello! I have been away from Wikipedia for a couple of weeks and it has been awhile since I have last made any edits. I am looking forward to making some new edits, but first I have a slightly more specific question about one of the sources I have been using. I am hoping that you will be able to help me in my understanding.

When I first began my edits, I was using a website called www.bedsider.org. I noticed that a couple, but not all, of the edits I made with this citation were deleted with the explanation that the source wasn’t trustworthy. I was wondering, if the concern was the credibility of the source, why only some were removed.

I’d like to use www.bedsider.org as a reference in the future so I’m interested in learning more about the vetting process for sources.

Thank you so much; I really appreciate your help.Sc2008 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Sc2008, I can give a quick and easy to one question: not all articles get vetted at the same time--some are never vetted. That's one. Another thing is, editors may disagree about what does and what does not constitute a reliable source--see WP:RS. And in a biography of a living person, for instance, standards are higher than in other articles. Hey, wasn't this about sponges or so? I'll have a look in a little bit. In the meantime, let's consider us all spongeworthy, and welcome back. Drmies (talk) 19:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Belinda Meuldijk, Wim Meuldijk, Pipo en de p-p-Parelridder

Hello! Your submission of Belinda Meuldijk, Wim Meuldijk, and Pipo en de p-p-Parelridder at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cinosaur (talk) 04:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Bacon, bacon, and bacon

• I thought that the Bacon book, with at least 1,964 pages, was a little large, so I looked it up and discovered that it's actually only 318 pages. Yes, I know.... Who looks at page numbers? Well, apparently, me.
• Did you notice that there was an issue raised about your John M. Bacon nomination? I think Orlady would've preferred the hook which you deleted. And the deleted hook had a notation about a review which you did, but you neglected to transfer it to your retained hook.
• As for salt pork, that just goes to show how ignorant I am of meat. I thought salt pork was just an olde fashioned name for bacon. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks Mandarax. I've added that hook. Unfortunately, I let this slide for so long (I hadn't paid attention to it and wasn't reminded) that I missed Bacon day. Well. Yes, salt pork is not smoked, I think that's the only difference. BTW, the article says it was standard ration for soldiers during the Civil War. When I was looking for sources for John M. Bacon, these government documents contained many mentions of bacon rations. Apparently, though, bacon did not keep well during the journey to and in the Philippines. And there's mention of bacon and rice for breakfast--brrrr! Drmies (talk) 16:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
    • But see this. I think I'm going to have to order the book to get that page number right. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

• I think only one bacon hook appeared during all of Bacon Day. I wouldn't be too concerned about the page number on that ref. You could probably just omit the page number, citing the whole book as a ref, and if people need to consult the source, I think they'd be able to find the page themselves.MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Pym (novel) DYK suggestions and a big thank you

Hey Drmies,

Thank you so much for your kind words! My first experiences with Wikipedia weren’t too positive, so I’m really stoked that you’re supportive of my work instead of trying to speedily delete it ;) This project needs more helpful folks like you!

I’ve ordered Pym, too, hoping for a Monday delivery. If the progression from Drop to Hunting in Harlem (Johnson’s two previous novels) is anything to go by, Pym will be pretty unputdownable. Johnson is incredibly generous on the details and touchingly empathetic with his characters, in addition to plotting some killer storylines.

Regarding your suggestions:

1) References now have periods at the end. I now know how to use a template – thanks to a certain excellent husband.

2) Please feel free to play around with the hook. Source number 5 in the Pym article also deals with the time it took Johnson to finish the book. However, it has interviewer Mike Emery asking Johnson how he feels after eight years of working on the book. Johnson’s tweet, mentioning nine years, is more recent, and comes straight from the man himself, which is why I decided to go with that quote instead.--DracoEssentialis (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Draco, thanks for your note! It's always nice to hear nice things. Most of our editors, I hope, are supportive of new editors joining the club--though I'll be the first to admit that I also nominate articles for speedy deletion. The good news is, I guess, that anything that looks serious and has some kind of verification will not be speedied (if you can have "unputdownable" as an adjective, I'm taking "to speedy" as a verb). But it is true, some of us are trigger-happy.

  Anyway, I though your article was great. I wish I was as nice a husband as yours (well, tonight I'm on bath and bed duty, so at least tonight I'm good).

  You saw my question at the DYK page (can't remember if I left you a note--if I didn't, I apologize), I reckon. The problem, as I said, is the Twitter reference. If others think it's fine, it's fine with me as well. I'll go look in a minute (after story telling) to see if there's any response; if not, I'll ask around. And I'll have another look at the other references. In the meantime, thanks again, and please keep writing good stuff. Maybe in a little while you can run for administrator and block your husband, just to show him who's really in charge. Grl power! Drmies (talk) 01:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hey Doc! Thank you for this great message. Only just saw it. And your note on my talk page. Clearly I have not yet reached the stage where checking my wiki messages is the first order of the day ;) I envy you the story time. Enjoy it to the max while you can. Around here, it’s all teenage angst and dealing with statements such as "Mom, don't walk next to me. People might think you're my cougar."
  • As to the Pym article – I have no problem with you guys changing the hook, although it would never have occurred to me that Mat Johnson’s Twitter statement was anything but an admission of just how much he struggled with this book. We live and learn. Hope I didn’t hurt Mandarax’s feelings by proposing a change to his hook. I'm a big fan of teamwork and very grateful that she/he took the time to read the article and come up with a hook of their own.
  • Also, thanks so much for the encouragement. I have since written another article (Ivy Alvarez), but I am still struggling with the interface and my own sub-standard time management skills. My sweet sexy husband is safe from any admin ambitions on my side ;) By the way, he is that Jayen fellow you mentioned on my talk page. And the swim ~ article was my second foray into what hubby sometimes refers to as 'The Drama Cauldron'. My first wiki effort was Neil Cooper (ROIR). I’d finished it in Word before uploading it, references and all, only to have it deleted a few hours later because a bot objected to the word ‘movie’ in it. But hey, all water under the proverbial. By the way, love your user page. Nice boobies (bet you’ve heard that one before) – I had no idea there was a red-footed variety.--DracoEssentialis (talk) 03:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the help with John Miner!--Bigbadcar (talk) 04:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing--thank you for not giving up. Good luck with the article! Drmies (talk) 04:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of season one episode articles of House for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the articles Paternity (House), Occam's Razor (House), Maternity (House), Damned If You Do, The Socratic Method (House), Fidelity (House), Poison (House), DNR (House), Histories (House), Detox (House), Sports Medicine (House), Cursed (House), Control (House), Mob Rules (House), Heavy (House), Role Model (House), Babies & Bathwater, Kids (House), Love Hurts (House) and Honeymoon (House) are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paternity (House) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 14:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind message. I'd like to pretend that it never happened. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

• Sure--I agree. I do think that people shouldn't post where they're not asked to post. All the best, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Whoa

Wow, I just looked at your userpage after reading User talk:69.181.249.189. I can't say for sure, but your userpage is just screaming... PLEASE VANDALIZE ME! It's soooooooooooo long, shouldn't there be a rule to prevent your userpage from making my browser explode? >.< 128.61.18.21 (talk) 05:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Mario Parga

Hi, and thanks for your post on my talk page. I've commented on this article at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Mario Parga. Robofish (talk) 18:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

• Ha, and I already thanked you for it on your own page. We're in sync. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Sitush's talk page.
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DYK for John M. Bacon

Thanks Victuallers (talk) 18:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

"this shouldn't be in a note"

a) Why not? b) Where should it be? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:57, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Pdfpdf--in the main text, somewhere! With verification, of course... Does that answer your question? Drmies (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Leese got a couple of pages in Vintage Guitar a couple of months ago, with an outline of his career. That could be a reliable source. What I mean is, he's important, no doubt--more important than a simple footnote, but (in my opinion, until I see evidence otherwise) not important enough for the lead. He is first mentioned in "Success (1975–1981)", and that's where a longer note could be placed. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Kaya article

Just a heads-up as I am not sure if you realise this. It seems likely that the contributor to the Kaya "Canadian singer" article probably speaks French as a first language. I deal with people in Canada who do such and the phrasing of both the article and the editor's various messages rings a bell - usually, in my limited experience, French-Canadians are better at speaking English than at writing it (and I include some very intelligent people in this comment - it is not intended as a slur etc). Whatever the outcome of the article in terms of COI/BLP/advert/essay etc, it will probably need a copyedit. The sentences previous to this written by one who is still trying to graduate from gibberish to English :) - Sitush (talk) 02:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, I figured something like that already--but even Canadianness shouldn't be an excuse to turn an encyclopedic article into a romance novel... (careful, one of the occasional visitors to this page is Canadian...ssh...) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

At present it is a straight-to-DVD Z movie. I do not think it likely that the COI issue will be resolved easily, even if everything else is sorted. I fancy taking a hatchet to it but that isn't fair on a newbie. I can't speak French to any acceptable standard, so your French-Canadian visitors are better than I'll ever be in terms of polyglottism. - Sitush (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)