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Nandipha Magudumana

Hello Cullen328, following is a draft of Nandipha Magudumana's legal issues. You instructed me on this discussion to present the draft to you before moving it to the article. I tried to narrow down the content as much as I can as there's way more to the story. I literally spent over 4 hours working on this, please help me make this work.

Draft

Nandipha Magudumana is facing prison time for allegedly aiding Thabo Bester escape from the Mangaung Penitentiary.[1] Magudumana is incarcerated and investigated for aiding and abetting a prison escape, fraud, murder, corruption and violating bodies,[2][1] as she allegedly stole three bodies from morgues in Free State.[3] On 7 April 2023, Magudumana, Bester and a Mozambican national were apprehended in Arusha, Tanzania,[4] heading towards the border of Kenya.[5] On 13 April, Magudumana and Bester landed on a private jet at the Lanseria International Airport after there were deported by Tanzania.[6] Since then, she has been detain at Kroonstad Women's Prison in Free State.[1] On 17 April, the four accused: Magudumana, Magudumana's father Zolile Sekeleni, Integritron CCTV technician Tebogo James Lipholo and former G4S prison warden Senohe Matsoara appeared in Bloemfontein High Court where Sekeleni was granted a R10,000 bail and the murder charge against him was dropped on conditions that he had to report Port Edward police station at least once a week and he was prohibited from contacting any of the witnesses, while Matsoara, Lipholo and Magudumana remained in custody as their bail until their bail application was set for 3 and 4 May 2023.[7] DNA profiling tests were conducted, and on 21 April 2023, the South African Police Service reported that the burnt remains found in Bester's prison cell belonged to Katlego Bereng Mpholo, who went missing in March 2022.[2]

Magudumana then appeared in Bloemfontein Magistrate's Court on 11 and 13 May 2023, but both dates were postponed to 16 May to gather further evidence.[2] Magudumana file for bail and argued that her arrest was unlawful,[8] she went on to argue that "The nature of the evidence upon which the State relies is of a very poor nature and is unsubstantiated".[9] On 29 August 2023, Magudumana told the court that she was detained by Bester against her will and she was forced to flee the country, however the allegations were disputed because she allegedly fetched Bester from KwaZulu-Natal after the escape, and they were later spotted together shopping in Sandton.[10] On 11 September 2023, Magudumana's was denied bail as Magistrate Estelle de Lange said that she was a flight risk.[3] In early November 2023, the Bloemfontein High Court dismissed Magudumana's bail appeal. Acting judge Melissa Jordaan stated that Magudumana played the main role in Bester's prison escape and that when the pair was arrested in Tanzania, Magudumana was found with an unstamped passport, proving that Magudumana is a potential flight risk.[11]


References

  1. ^ a b c Steyn, Daniel (11 September 2023). "Nandipha Magudumana denied bail". GroundUp. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  2. ^ a b c Rall, Se-Ann; Mlambo, Sihle (20 February 2024). "TIMELINE: Everything we know about the Thabo Bester and Dr Nandipha Magudumana saga". IOL. Retrieved 25 July 2024.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  3. ^ a b Mbuthia, Mercy (13 September 2023). "Nandipha Magudumana: Meet the Doctor who plotted Thabo Bester's escape [Pics]". The South African. Retrieved 25 July 2024.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  4. ^ Nxumalo, Sakhiseni (20 May 2023). "Nandipha Magudumana says arrest unlawful, demands immediate release". TimesLIVE. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  5. ^ Masilela, Brenda (2 June 2023). "Did Dr Nandipha Magudumana 'hitch a ride' from Tanzania or was she unlawfully arrested and deported? Judgment expected on Monday". IOL. Archived from the original on 22 December 2023. Retrieved 17 March 2024.
  6. ^ Maromo, Jonisayi (13 April 2023). "PICS: Thabo Bester, Dr Nandipha Magudumana back in South Africa amid heavy security". IOL. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  7. ^ Pillay, Kailene (17 April 2023). "Dr Nandipha Magudumana remains behind bars, her father released on R10 000 bail". IOL. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  8. ^ "WATCH | Dr Nandipha Magudumana seeks withdrawal of charges". TimesLIVE. 1 June 2023. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  9. ^ Pijoos, Iavan (30 August 2023). "State's case is poor and unsubstantiated, Nandipha Magudumana's lawyers argue". News24. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  10. ^ Steyn, Daniel; Damons, Marecia (17 March 2023). "More evidence links 'Facebook rapist' Thabo Bester and Dr Nandipha Magudumana". News24. Retrieved 25 July 2024.
  11. ^ Mdlalane, Aphumelele (7 November 2023). "Dr Nandipha Magudumana's bail appeal dismissed". SABC News. SABC. Retrieved 25 July 2024.

dxneo (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

dxneo, I do not approve of is facing prison time in an article about a person who has not been convicted. I think this material is far too detailed, and it should be condensed to two or three sentences. Your proposed content reads like you are making the prosecution's case for them, and I would encourage you to be careful to avoid that kind of tone. Cullen328 (talk) 01:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't see any text in your cited reference corroborating that Groundhog Day (film) is "widely considered one of the greatest comedy films" of all time. Also, "widely considered" are weasel words per MOS:WEASEL. If you can clarify, please update the discussion on the article's Talk Page. (Please do NOT just remove the tags. Justify your edit instead.) Thanks! -- David Spalding (  ) 22:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Davidbspalding, I disagree with your tagging and your other characterizatons, and have explained why at Talk: Pennsylvania Polka (song). Cullen328 (talk) 02:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't sure about this. No edits, no filters tripped yet. Knitsey (talk) 19:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Knitsey. Neither Jim nor Cullen are unusual names, so I do not think anything needs to be done. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you accidentally reply on the wrong thread?

Hey, did you mean to make this reply on ANI or was it meant for Talk:Kamala Harris#Kamala Harris identifies as Indian american in her own book? Raladic (talk) 07:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC):

Hello, Raladic. Why do you care whether or not I replied in both places? Is my opinion on the matter somehow unclear to you? If so, I will be happy to clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I am slightly confused why you made that reply to me at ANI, yes. I never argued anything to the contrary of what your reply is saying.
The ANI report is about the conduct of the other user to which you replied to in the other thread, so I am slightly confused why you added the reply to me in the ANI thread instead. Raladic (talk) 07:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Arbitration


Hey....

While I certainly don't think that bloodofox's first reaction should have been to run to ANI, I gotta say that "userpage clearly espouses neopaganism baloney" isn't really a great thing for me to read as I perused ANI this morning. Unlike myself, bloodofox doesn't actually state they are neopagan in any way on their user page - the fact that they are interested in Germanic paganism and folklore does not necessarily have any bearing on what their own religious views are. I mean, I'm a practicing Roman reconstructionist (i.e. neopagan) and yet a large chunk of my contributions are to medieval Christian bishops. Also - would you have said to a Jewish editor "userpage clearly espouses Jewish baloney" or to a Muslim editor "userpage clearly espouses Islamic baloney"? I have a great deal of respect for you in general Cullen, but that bit really did not sit well with me. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

You are right, Ealdgyth. I was overly sarcastic and dismissive. I apologize to you and to Bloodofox. Cullen328 (talk) 17:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
No worries... we can all have bad days - and I will admit I'm a bit raw this week too - had to put my oldest mare to sleep on Monday and it's made my week The Suck, for sure. Thank you for the apology, although it really wasn't necessary. Ealdgyth (talk) 18:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both!!! I came here to say much the same thing, only to see that Ealdgyth had got here first, and you'd apologized. I really didn't expect to see you dismissing anyone's religion out of hand (or conflating a list of ancient Germanic topics with neopaganism, but it was the religious dismissiveness that shocked me.) Yngvadottir (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and jump in here and highlight that if @Cullen328: had made those blatantly discriminatory comments about any "major" religion his account would have been nuked out of orbit without a second thought, apology or not.

We need some changes on Wikipedia. Or at least a transparent hierarchy of what religions are acceptable for Wikipedia users to openly insult and discriminate against and which are not. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Bloodofox, please note that I agreed that I made a mistake and I apologized. Cullen328 (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328:, thank you reconsidering your comments. I appreciate it. Although I don't think we have crossed paths before on the site before, I can see from the work you're doing that you're a great editor. I wish we had encountered one another here under happier circumstances. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Derek J Moore (10:52, 8 August 2024)

Hello Cullen. Quick question. I had a speedy delete of an article I was composing in my Sandbox. Is that normal practice? --Derek J Moore (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Derek J Moore. Yes, this is normal. Your sandbox was deleted for "unambiguous advertising or promotion". The policy language is at WP:G11. Promotional phrases like drive research and innovation and especially undertaking audacious research projects to enable global competitiveness are not permitted anywhere on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Cullen, I certainly do not believe such hyperbole. I do not buy the hype of higher education. It would have been modified in the sandbox before publication. Just surprised that people are looking at my sandbox. Isn't this where all the rough work gets done? Derek J Moore (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Derek J Moore, editors who patrol Special:RecentChanges and its derivative feeds will see edits made on any page on the project, including user sandboxes. Certain patterns of text may also trigger a logged entry by an edit filter, some of which have been designed to spot things like promotional or advertorial language. As you may imagine, the English Wikipedia is a tempting target for marketers and SEO types.
I'm not an admin, so I can't see the contents of your deleted sandbox, but it sounds from your comment just above that you may have been copypasting from your sources? Since all non-deleted revisions of all Wikipedia pages are publicly visible, we can't just copypaste text here and then modify it as we go: this is almost always a violation of the source's copyright licensing. In other words, user sandboxes are not before publication: if you have saved text into your Wikipedia user sandbox, it has been published, in the operational definition chosen by the site owners' legal department. Folly Mox (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello Folly Mox. Thank you very much for the comprehensive reply. I was not aware of Special:RecentChanges and I can see how that text combination would have triggered an alert. Derek J Moore (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
@Folly Mox see my thanks above. I am still getting the syntax right. Explanation is appreciated Derek J Moore (talk) 16:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

New message from Sjones23

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kris Kristofferson § Lyme Disease - revisited. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen. I would like to invite you to join the discussion about "Label" or "distributor" at the album release history table. Leave your comment if you like. 183.171.122.114 (talk) 09:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no interest in that conversation. Cullen328 (talk) 18:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cloud899 (16:51, 12 August 2024)

Hello!

I hope I do a good job and do not get banned and I will start with quick edits. Do you think my first 2 edits are ok?

Best, --Cloud899 (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cloud899. There is no article Ashlan Chidester (Author), so you should not try to add that link to a list of notable people. Cullen328 (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
My bad :( - should I just write the article first before resubmission? Thank you Cloud899 (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Cloud899, yes, assuming that the person is notable. There is an essay about this very thing, Wikipedia:Write the article first. You do not need the author disambiguator in the title, because there is no article about another Ashlan Chidester. Cullen328 (talk) 19:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

August music

story · music · places

Today I have three "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hey Jim! Hope all's well. Just wanted to point out User talk:NSCA Wiki#August 2024, where a promotional editor appears to be evading your block, continuing to make spammy edits from a new account. Bsoyka (tcg) 18:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bsoyka. Thanks, I am fine. I have blocked the sock. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Lame socks

[1] is not a drawer I'm familiar with, but apparently it's been stinkin' up the joint since 2009. Feel free to email if you'd like the few details I know. DMacks (talk) 04:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

DMacks, I have never claimed to be a skilled sockpuppet detective although "obvious sock is obvious" is a phrase I pay attention to when a good faith editor is analyzing things. I an great at blocking obvious immediate trolls and socks, but not so much those requiring in depth research. If you can be a bit more specific, I will take a look. Cullen328 (talk) 06:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
ygm. DMacks (talk) 14:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)