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Happy New Year Clovermoss!

Hopefully 2025 is a good year for Wikipedia, Canada, and the world. Cremastra (uc) 02:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Cremastra: Thank you! I'm hoping that this year will be a good one. While you're here, maybe you'll be inspired by my New Year's resolutions. They can be found at User:Clovermoss/Reach for the stars. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Goodness. Sounds like you'll be busy. Cremastra (uc) 02:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Cremastra: Especially when the intended subject for the one FA is Jehovah's Witnesses! That said, I think I'll be able to do it all. I thought about how to make my goals a mixture of both realistic and challenging for a good while earlier this fall. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Anyone want to write me a recommendation letter?

There's a conference for youth in the Wikimedian movement in Prague this year. One of the requirements is a recommendation from a chapter, hub, user group, or thematic organization. The last option is a Wikimedian that's representative of my community. I'm not a part of any of that affiliate stuff, so I'd need to go with that last option. A bit surprising this is a requirement considering it's not one for wikimania or WCNA. There's more information about this conference here. I'm fairly certain you'd only be required to say your username and claim I'm awesome or something. It didn't say it has a word minimum. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't think you have to be anyone in any particularly impressive role, like an arb or admin. I think "representative" would simply mean any experienced editor in good standing. But if no one's interested, that's okay. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Happy to help. Risker (talk) 04:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Ditto; happy to help. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
... and done. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
... but not done correctly. Now, "you've got mail". --Rosiestep (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
I suppose I'm somewhat dazzled by the idea of a rather "ordinary" editor being the one, because of what it would mean to me on a personal level. I'm a sucker for ideals. Despite my stubbornness (because I really can be stubborn sometimes), I'm likely to accept. It's very kind of you both to offer and I hope that expressing what I just did doesn't offend you. It's just that you are both practically stars, even if you don't feel like it. I don't feel like one either, even if I suppose people see me that way now. It's an odd feeling and I struggle with it. Like one day people will realize I'm not everything I'm cracked up to be and those expectations of greatness were undeserved. I felt that even before RfA and my sudden fame has contributed a bit to that inner turmoil.
Anyways, it's hard to change people's minds if I'm not in the room to do it. Maybe I can get the people in charge of registration to think about how they do things. I asked a bunch of young editors about this on Discord, and the response was almost unanimously negative. It's a huge ask, even for people super involved with their communities. It's very bureaucratic, for one thing, but it's also hard for many to feel comfortable asking for a recommendation letter in the first place. And that's according to the editors on Discord, where the most extroverted of us tend to congregate!
This whole experience has kind of prompted me to think about a possible session for wikimania. The way this was phrased on the form reminded me of how lost I felt at wikimania sometimes with all the focus on affiliates and whatnot. It can feel like the regular volunteers, who also dedicate so much of their time and even their soul, can get left behind, even if that isn't necessarily the intention. A lot of us just do the work and are left mystified at the maze of affiliates and chapters and hubs or whatever else. Given one of the themes will be inclusivity, I'm sure I could come up with something wonderful. This form wasn't the worst example of that by any means, it just got me thinking of similar situations, you know? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
It's structural and built-in to WMF that the affiliates have more influence than people who do the actual work on the projects online every day. I was discussing that with Kevin from arbcom at the 2023 North America conference where I met you. (t · c) buidhe 14:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Things don't have to be that way, though. I spent a good amount of time talking to people at wikimania to try and understand the purpose of affilates and while I'm still very confused, it does sound like the people I talked to do very worthwhile work. I don't want it to be an us vs them thing, just for regular volunteers to be more included in these decision making processes because it's not a fringe position by any means for us to feel left out and that shouldn't be the case. I'm probably not the best person to know the nuances and the history behind everything there, but I hope to be able to be there someday. If I was to propose a submission on that, I'd want it to be well-researched, so it might have to wait awhile. There's a lot of other stuff I have on my plate like starting an analysis of editor reflections (which would be a good submission on its own). @Buidhe: it sounds like you know a lot more about the affiliate stuff than me. I'd be honoured to hear you present on the topic at the next WCNA if you're planning on going. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I guess in my opinion the entire purpose of our project is to make quality free content available and actually "build an encyclopedia" or photo directory (in the case of commons) etc. To put it nicely, many people believe that a lot of the things that the WMF spends money on don't effectively contribute to that goal. I do believe that we have a responsibility to our donors to spend their money on stuff that's going to improve the projects, rather than other things that might be nice but are more removed from our core mission. I also don't think it's a helpful organizational approach to have siloed geographical areas, when our entire advantage is that we are global and draw on contributors from all over the world.
I went to the NA hub discussion meeting at the conference and frankly most of the functions that were being discussed for the hub did not seem like they were a responsible use of donor money. (t · c) buidhe 02:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not saying I disagree with you, it's just that the affiliates I talked to at wikimania did genuinely seem to be fulfilling the make quality free content available and actually "build an encyclopedia or photo directory (in the case of commons" goal. While I still have no idea what a hub is, I think the general idea of having some sort of geographically based connection is so you can sponsor local editathons, get people interested in improving content about their communities (I know that's something I focus on a lot here), and use resources that may not be available everywhere. For example, Brock University probably has good sources if I ever wanted to improve the article about Isaac Brock. I think initiatives like 1Lib1Ref are overall good things. Another example is that the WCNA where we met kind of led to the resurrection of Wikipedia:WikiClub Toronto. We've been teaching some new editors how to edit in real time and it's an interesting experience. I'm not affiliated with Wikimedia Canada, but they do happen to pay for the room. I don't think that's a waste of money.
Obviously there's a lot that goes on, I didn't talk to every affiliate that ever exists, and people were probably trying to impress me. I also happened to meet a few people who seemed to have unusual ideas about what conferences should be, or what the foundation should spend its money on. I've seen enough essays where people much smarter than me analyze the financial situation and I agree that the average donor would probably look at that and feel disappointed, or maybe even betrayed in regards to certain aspects. I fought as hard as I could against this. My efforts weren't for nothing because the foundation didn't go through with the idea. I can understand why people become jaded over time when they try and things don't change, but I suppose I'm more optimistic because sometimes they do. It's very common for people to think it's going to contributors directly or to simply "keeping the servers running". I've always thought it would be good if we implemented some sort of dropdown menu so donors can choose where their donations are used. I've seen it happen with other non-profits. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm sure that affiliates do many worthwhile things, but how much is truly necessary and benefitting the encyclopedia? For example having a dedicated space is nice, but our wikigroup meets at a coffee shop and it works for us. Do we need affiliates to run something like 1lib1ref or is that better to run as a worldwide campaign (which I thought it was)? It's fair to say I could be too jaded and cynical. But at the conference I met too many people who seemed to enjoy making committees and talking about doing stuff, instead of actually doing stuff. (t · c) buidhe 03:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Well we weren't doing anything too fancy either, we were renting a room at a community centre. Trying to have a group of 20+ people meet at a coffee shop who may or may not be paying for items there in a busy city like Toronto is a bit of a tough ask, especially if it's for several hours at a time. As for "I met too many people who seemed to enjoy making committees and talking about doing stuff, instead of actually doing stuff", yeah I get that impression sometimes too. It's a mixed bag but I don't think people don't care. I'd rather try to make things better than just stop caring, you know? But I totally understand why people can be jaded and cynical. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC) I'm also under the impression that 1Lif1Ref is global (it's GLAM stuff), but that many localized affiliates support it. They tend to have connections with local partners like universities and whatnot. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  • I'll just take a moment here to agree that the issue of needing the support of an organized group can be pretty problematic, and definitely has a negative impact on the ability of a large number of editors, particularly those on smaller projects, who don't have the opportunity or means to have that kind of connection with the broader global community. I have steadfastly remained unaffiliated for my entire Wiki-career, but whatever influence I have came from the seeds this project planted when it elected me to Arbcom, way back in 2008. Large projects like English, French, Spanish have the ability to develop leaders internally and bring them to the attention of the broader global community; small projects don't have enough of a profile to do that. Many of us, in this thread, and throughout English Wikipedia, have the opportunity to support developing leaders in smaller projects, because so many of us work on those smaller projects. I'm very happy to write a letter of reference for Clovermoss because I've seen her work and know her personally. But there are a few people on other, smaller projects for whom I'd also be comfortable writing a similar letter. It's critically important that we find ways to help potential leaders grow and develop everywhere on all of our projects, large and small, so that we reach our shared goals of freely available knowledge for people around the world. One way we can support this on English Wikipedia is to actively start working with editors on this project who come from less-supported parts of the world. As an example, I worry that the only way for people from sub-Saharan Africa to have a voice is through affiliates; we can do something about that right here, on this project, where many of those affiliates support editorial development. A while back, I made a list of affiliates that support work on this project. Risker (talk) 16:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Update from Women in Green

Hello Clovermoss:

2024 has wrapped up, and what a full year it was for WikiProject Women in Green! Over the past year, we hosted two edit-a-thons, one themed around women's history and another on women around the world. We also managed to achieve most of our 2024 annual goals, nominating 75 articles for GA, reviewing 64 GA nominations, nominating 8 articles for FAC, peer reviewing 3 articles and reviewing 10 FAC nominations. Excellent work, and thank you to everyone involved!

For 2025 we have a new set of goals for nominations and reviews. In particular, we would like to see more articles on our Hot 100 list being improved and nominated for GA this year. If you take a look at the list and see an article you are interested in contributing to, feel free to add it and yourself to our Hot 100 project discussion. You might even find someone interested in collaborating with you!

This year, as with every year, we hope you will join us in helping improve our coverage of women and women's works on this encyclopedia. Every contribution helps. We'll see you around!

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Question from Arriestudios on User:Arriestudios (11:31, 3 January 2025)

Hi. How do i rename the page --Arriestudios (talk) 11:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Arriestudios: There is a guide for moving a page here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Editor Interview

I have around 10 years experience with wiki and around 60,000 edits making me a third level Master Editor. Whoopie. I was a technical writer for 30 years prior to that experience. Can you give me an idea what kind of interviews you'd be conducting? Thanks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcw2003 (talkcontribs) 9:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dcw2003: It's just answering the questions listed at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections if you're interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I completed the questions today. Cheers!! Dcw2003 (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Your hard work is appreciated! 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talkcontribs) 20:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from HsojSedroc (18:28, 4 January 2025)

Is this an AI? --HsojSedroc (talk) 18:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@HsojSedroc: No, I'm a real person. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
This is the first time I've created a wikipedia account, and when I saw "Ask a mentor" I had to see what it was. Very cool, live resource. I doubt I'll be doing much editing but, hey you never know. I originally just made this account to hopefully save the darkmode. Thank you HsojSedroc (talk) 18:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
@HsojSedroc: Well enjoy the dark mode and let me know if you ever have questions about editing. I'm not always online but I check Wikipedia at least once a day. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

welcome to cetaceans!

the project seems to be a little quiet these days but there is still some life! -- xarzin (talk) 07:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Xarzin: Glad to hear it! I was just talking with another editor I know on the off chance she might be interested in joining as well. Kiska is the only cetacean related article I've created but I've also edited a few others. My bar to deciding to join a wikiproject is pretty low but the more the merrier, right? A little bit here and there is leagues better than nothing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

DYK for Ketchup chip

On 5 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ketchup chip, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that ketchup chips were introduced in the 1970s along with other flavours such as grape and orange? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ketchup chip. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ketchup chip), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

PMC(talk) 12:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

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  • The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

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Miscellaneous


Requesting review for Gaali Bandh Ghar

Hello Hannah, Greetings of the Day!

I hope you are doing great. recently i noticed you reviewed an article I created, Period Chart Campaign.

I would like to ask your assistance if you can also review a similar article I created Gaali Bandh Ghar. This has gone unnoticed for a while.

Thank you in Advance!

Zuck28 (talk) 08:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Zuck28: Thanks for thinking of me, but I'll think I'll pass. The article I reviewed had enough English sources (which are definitely not required) that I can understand. The article you're still waiting on mostly uses sources written in another language so I usually leave articles like that for other editors who do understand the sources. There's a backlog drive going on with WP:NPP right now to look at the 14,000+ articles waiting to be reviewed so hopefully someone will get around to that in the near future. Alternatively, you could ask another experienced editor at Wikipedia:WikiProject India what they think? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Clovermoss, Thank you for your detailed response!
I understand the importance of English sources as reference to verify the information.
As you mentioned it’s not necessary but still, I have added some additional citations in English language from some reliable sources.
Can you please check if you can review it this time?
Thank you in advance!
Zuck28 (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@Zuck28: I see that you described English sources as "important" here and I really wanted to reiterate that they're not required. No language is better than another, what matters is that the sources cited are reliable. It's really just about me on a personal level only being able to understand English and French. That said, I can now say for certain that this campaign has significant coverage in reliable sources. Thank you for writing the article. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your assistance and guidance.
Zuck28 (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

NPP Awards for 2024

The New Page Reviewer's Iron Award

This award is given in recognition to Clovermoss for conducting 425 article reviews in 2024. Thank you so much for all your excellent work. Keep it up! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Redirect Ninja Award
This award is given in recognition to Clovermoss for conducting 4,184 redirect reviews in 2024. Thank you so much for all your excellent work, keep it up! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from Sandrauchime (10:05, 10 January 2025)

Hey Hannah. My name is Sandra. I need to know how to create a wikipedia page. How do I go about that --Sandrauchime (talk) 10:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sandrauchime: Well, Wikipedia has notability standards, so some subjects are more viable than others. This guide explains things in more detail, but the gist is that you want to provide three reliable sources that cover the subject in detail. There's additional criteria if you're writing about a business or organization. I'll leave some helpful links on your talk page and feel free to ask me any questions if you have them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)