User talk:Carptrash/Archive 4

Uh-oh

Not quite You accidentally created a talk and user page for a nonexistent account. I suggest you put {{db-author}} on that. I can archive your talk for you if you want and walk you through what I did. Just post to my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Getting there I still recommend tagging that non-existent userpage, but otherwise, your first two archives look fine. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks good Don't forget to remove the link to that non-existent account from your userpage. Let me know if you need anymore help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Date changes

I hate when people, especially IPs, make unsourced and unexplained date changes. I foolishly go off and check the date, only to discover 95% of the time that the edit was, as suspected, vandalism. What makes it frustrating is that annoying 5% that's not vandalism, which makes me continue looking those dates up. As for your edit reverting a date change from 1885 back to 1887, I had checked and found lots of conflicting information. For example, the Getty and Britannica say 1887, while the Smithsonian and the National Academy of Design say 1885. Note that when you created the page, you used 1885. So, I don't know what's correct....

Anyways, I also wanted to say thanks for all of you contributions. I frequently see you on my Watchlist. Keep up the good work. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

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lol, as anticipated, they removed my thumbnail. sorry to clutter up your talk with this nonsense. as you see the default solution is: delete it, don't fix it. why bother with the notifications, and complaints can be patronized away. the increased effort required to add material, harms the wikipedia. Slowking4: 7@1|x 17:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

no worries - freedom of panorama in US applies to buildings, but not to sculpture. (insane, unlike UK) see the template i added to APK's photo, such as , (i've been very slow to put those on as i use the photo, so distasteful the quibbling). i do see the point after the Korean War Veterans Memorial, but it is a little much. Slowking4: 7@1|x 18:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Lewis's

This sculpture needs your attention. In more ways than one. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

File:Tecumseh in Lafayette IN .jpg

Hi, thanks for clarifying the facts about the statues. I did figure that something was a little screwed up. I think I'll email the Courthouse to tell them they had better check their records, and update their website. I'll add the Smithsonian ref to the file and straighten out what I changed yesterday. I don't think you are a flake, but I did get a good laugh! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

New Mexico Wiki-Meetup

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Thanks for the thanks

Thanks for the thanks. You've always taken some pretty great pics of public art, the thanks should be to you.

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		Thanks for your always great photographs, especially the one I added to Schoenhofen Pyramid Mausoleum IvoShandor (talk) 10:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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It's always a pleasure interacting with you. IvoShandor (talk) 02:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

John LaFarge

Yeah, that makes sense to me. Confession: as a fellow Luddite, I often used to upload images in the same way. Some of them are still waiting to be kicked over to Commons...

As to the edit spree: it's needed doing for a while. Why we never had a separate category for "Artists from New York City" I've never understood. I have another set or two to go through tonight, and that should take care of the bulk of it.

Sorry to hear you've been having a rough time of it - hopefully everything starts looking up soon, and your dog was only feeling a little friskier than usual. :-) How's your wife? Nothing serious, I hope? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:29, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

See? Things always have a habit of looking up when you least expect them to.

Incidentally, I gotta stop editing the sculpture articles before bed. I dreamed last night that I was being crapped on by a Belarussian pigeon, for some reason. And then I got mugged in the museum bathroom, but stole my camera back. Twice. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing it means that I'm supposed to go hunting pigeons in Japan with my mother, prior to taking a flying leap over the Grand Canyon? Who knows. Thanks for the card - perhaps I'll puzzle it out later. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.}

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Thanks for the wiki link addtions - yule marble

When I finished a rewrtie of the locations of Yule marble I saw a citation for the article header. Took me by surprise to see it so clicked to see what it was then "history" and saw you there.

Do you live in Colorado for I was also surprised where the link went to? OneHistoryGuy (talk) 21:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

request for review of completed rewrite Yule marble

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Now here's where the problem comes in--you can't gallery non-free photos, and will need to have some cited text as to why what you're trying to convey can't be done unless you use both text and picture. :-( The one you uploaded first serves to identify the statue which is the subject of the article--to visually allow people to understand which statue of Lincoln the article is about. Any further ones may be challenged as unnecessary non-free content, so would also suggest working on the rationales for any further photos of the statue to give reasons why it's necessary for the photo or photos to be included in the article.

I changed the license to non-free 3D Art (covers things that aren't flat and thus don't fit into the non-free 2D Art license like paintings, etc.). Will cross my fingers re: your other statue photos--just thought you should know they may run afoul with someone. We hope (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW--if any of the photos were taken by you, they can be Creative Commons free licensed and there would be no problem at all! We hope (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry--I was checking for copyright or a renewal for the statue. Found nothing for an original copyright on it during the time 1928 (artist is commissioned) to 1932 (dedication of statue). Further, I went over copyright renewals for artwork from 1954 to 1960 for the time period where if there was a copyright, it would need to have been renewed, and there's nothing for the insurance company or the artist.

Wikipedia:File copyright tags/All Here's the list of all copyright tags-free and non-free. If you look at the section for PD Art, it described the "flat" bit, but the non free Art tags have no similar explanation. The reasoning would be that the statue is a 3 dimensional object as opposed to a 2 dimensional one, like a watercolor or painting.

Now, go to the Public Domain section of the page and see the Dedications section. There's a tag there called PD-self and it gives the creator of an image the opportunity to release it into the Public Domain. You can use this for your Lincoln statue photos. Where there's sometimes a misunderstanding with this is when someone copies or photographs an item that is copyrighted, like an album cover. Even though you took the photo or the scan, you still don't have the right to the item you took the photo or scan of. (This is why I checked the copyright of the Lincoln statue and you should mention there's no record of copyright or renewal on the rationales for the pictures.) Many people believe that because they took the scan or photo of something they can say it's theirs and they can release it into Public Domain, but the item they did this with isn't in the Public Domain and therefore it has to be acknowledged as under copyright. Example--you've scanned album covers and they need to be licensed as non-free because while you own the album, you don't own the record company or the artwork, etc. (Sort of like owning a Ford car and not owning the company.) I don't think there will be a problem with this now :-) We hope (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I think you're doing just fine--haven't seen any angry cyber mobs rushing to your talk page. ;-) We hope (talk) 02:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Likewise. I discovered the sculptures and artist last night while researching artwork commemorating Habakkuk. I was shocked that the Portuguese Wikipedia was the only one that seemed to have an article on this great work, and vowed to translate it into English. I've started doing this, but was worried that there were no referecnes on the Portuguese version. Then you came along and solved my problem. Thanks.

This will make a very nice article to feature in WP:DYK. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

You can see what I'm translating by following the link to the Portuguese Wikipedia at the top of the article. I plan to work serially down the page, so you can edit earlier sections without troubling me at all. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know, I'll be offline for a few hours, but will then return to continue translation. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

It's always interesting to see what happens here. BTW, I've now translated all but the last four sections on the prophets, and have added the Conservation section. Another pair of eyes copy editing my translation would be welcome to improve flow of the text and to catch any typographical errors. I'm also hoping that you can add citations for some of the individual descriptions of statues, as the Portuguese article lacks citations entirely. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Translation complete. I've nominated the article for DYK (nom. page is here), with you as co-creator since you did write the only original text and added all the citations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Nope - everything's wrapped and under the tree. Now I'm kicking back, cleaning up Category:People from Boston, Massachusetts and listening to some Hubert Parry. Though I shall trundle downstairs ere long, I suspect. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Indeed - and well done, too. I'm trying to add a few files to Commons before watching the news...more on that anon. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the backstopping, that fellow had me nailed within about 30 seconds. We are doing X-mas music - right now it's Dan Hicks & Jerry Jeff Walker's Christmas stuff - a fine couple of collections. Carptrash (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Schomburg Center and the Italian Renaissance Palazzo mode

I have a citation that describes the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in that mode. The problem is there are an old and a new schomburg center. The old one was designed by Stanford White, that I got a online citation for from the 1980s, but I got a citation that looks like it saying the new one was kind designed by Charles Follen McKim. This is the new one,[1] is it in the Palazzo mode? The problem is Mckim and White worked at the same firm so one of my sources may be screwy. Any help would be appreciated. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

It appears to me that the original 1905 building was by McKim. I found this somewhere: The Branch is attributed to Charles McKim and William Kendall of McKim, Mead & White, the firm responsible for eleven of the branch libraries constructed with Carnegie funds and in my MMW book it states that the firm did 10 NY libraries and that McKim designed 9 and Kendall did one. No mention of White at all. I looked through my White biography and did not find anything like this. Carptrash (talk) 00:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks 66.234.33.8 (talk) 08:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. You seem to do a lot of good editing. Why not signup? Carptrash (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe 66.234.33.8 (talk) 21:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! John Henry Devereux

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	Lovely, article. Great cooperation. Even if it was a premature cooperation. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought. Women sometimes complain about that other thing too. Carptrash (talk) 00:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

That would be mere selfishness. I am sure you are a giving person. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Massively hard question on the Schomburg Center

I have a massively hard question that is guaranteed to confuse you. It has to do with the Schomburg center, names of buildings, buildings being split, and buildings being renamed and then buildings being merged back in. The point is to find some sanity. Are you up for it? I am totally baffled what to do. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 21:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

My standard response (more so in real life than on wikipedia) is, "You can ask anything, I'll respond to 93% of the questions I get. I am not a New Yorker, have never been a New Yorker, don't want to be a New Yorker - though I love the art and architecture, so I have certain resources here in those areas, but . . . ......... Try me Carptrash (talk) 21:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

okay, it only has to do with building names. I have to sleep on it. I'm blown away by it. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

okay, i am relying on your expertise about buildings and architecture. I am the only one that edits Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture so whatever you say could mean I have to wipe out 37 years of its history :) :

1. 1905, the 135th Street Library was built at 103 west 135th street and it was called the 135th Street Library
2. 1925, it's name was changed to the Division of Negro Literature, History and Prints
3. 1926, Schomburg "donated" his vast collection of African American literature to that library
4. In 1940 the collection was renamed in Schomburg's honor. (unknown name, probably the Schomburg Collection)
5. In 1942, an extension was built on the rear (which included an entrance at 102 west 136th Street and the library became known as the Countee Cullen Library (and there is no wikipedia article in existence, but that library still exists today)
6. In 1972 the Countee Cullen Library was renamed the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture
7. In 1980, a new Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture was founded at 515 Malcolm X Boulevard and the old Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture reverted to its old name as Countee Cullen Library
8. In 1981, magically, the original 103 west 135th street building became known as the building of the Schomburg Collection for Research in Black Culture and was designated a NYC landmark
9. In 1991, additions to the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture at 515 Malcolm X Boulevard were completed and connected that to the building of the Schomburg Collection for Research in Black Culture
10. Much of the Schomburg Collection was moved from the Schomburg Collection Center for Research in Black Culture building to the building of the Schomburg Collection for Research in Black Culture

So does the building of the Schomburg Collection for Research in Black Culture stay in the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture?

The ramifications are serious because a good portion of the Harlem Renaissance evolved from the 135th Street Building.

Thanks in advance. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess I am one of the 7%. Well, basically the new york public library officially considers it the original Countee Cullen Library. But every published author calls it the Schomburg Center. And it's even more complicated then I explained. Thanks anyway. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Werner‎

Jump on in. The water is fine. Maybe you could contribute and get part of a DYK, too. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

That we have the same birthday might be a inducement. Though he is a few years older. Not many. But this is not an area that I might have anything to contribute. We'll see. Carptrash (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The thesis that is cited and linked is a really good read, even if you decide this isn't for you. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Will do that for sure. Almost for sure. My other life has been getting rather demanding recently. I'm the driver for someone seeing 5 or 6 doctors, for example, many hours away. I'm off shortly. Yesterday we discovered that the new library is being built on top of a septic tank. Bad feng shui, among things. So, we shall see. Carptrash (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Good luck with your care giving. 'tis better to give than receive. And good luck with the septic tank. At least it is not the Well of souls. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hey there Carptrash, good to see you here and busily engaged. Regarding Nick, you'll hear from him for sure, it's just a matter of him finding the time to run a copy of that database. The copy is a just-in-case thing. I expect it'll stay accessible on his server going forward unless you have a reason to move it -- and I'd still like to refer to it from time to time. And.... your new library is being built over a septic tank? Hi and best wishes and good vibes to Vi as ever. --Lockley (talk) 05:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Carptrash, you asked, "I'd like to keep the "Why the World Needs This Book" pages too, if possible. " and the answer is yes of course! I'm liking Hoepfner. Made a page for him in the database. He gets a tentative attribution for the work at the Public Ledger building in Philly, which is beautiful Piccirilli-quality, and we knew that Donnelly had the commission, so it all checks out. Are you in contact with the family, and do they have any further hints? I encourage you to go look at your Gordon and add something, when you're not at the library, um, digging out! --Lockley (talk) 05:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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Do you have a source for who Marshall Fredericks got to make the people in the right hand of the Spirit of Detroit? Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 14:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Let me rephrase. Do you have a published source of any type for the artist Marshall Fredericks got to make the people in the hand of the Spirit of Detroit monument? FYI, I've learned it was a Lithuanian or Lithuanian American artist named Romas Banaitis who has passed away. Would appreciate a published source if we can find one.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm just learning of this, and will let you know as soon I can get more details about his life. Not sure if there is a son by the same name. May be able to get date of birth and death eventually. But you're the first one I thought of to share this cool find with. BTW, what do people in the right hand represent and what does orb/sun in the other hand represent? Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Update. FYI, apparently there is a Michigan historical book of some sort that names Romas Banaitis as the creator of the people in the hand of the Spirit of Detroit. There also may be an obituary of him in Michigan. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest you contact the Fredericks museum at Saginaw Valley State University. The curator there may have some insight or a source. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:55, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Sculptures

These photos can be freely licenced as they are your own photos. According to the Commons upload page, "You can upload your photographs of old art, statues and buildings." Cloudbound (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Great. I have a theory, pounded into me by a series of hard wikipedia knocks, that "old art" means pre-1923, which these are not. However I posted them to share and am happy to do so. Carptrash (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Photographer's Barnstar
	For your many photos of art and architecture, I'm pleased to give you the Photographer's Barnstar. Cloudbound (talk) 19:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the message about my edits and for the tips on Wikipedia. Very interesting article. I'm sure I'll be breaching all sorts of Wiki etiquette -- feel free to correct or guide me anytime.

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Hi! Here are my thoughts about this:

• 1. The Commons would love to have those images. I'm sure they would all be welcome at http://commons.wikimedia.org
• 2. Unless publications have written articles/stories/books about "Charpchives" then I do not believe Wikipedia would accept having an article just about the "Charpchives" but from my understanding you can have a user subpage on Wikipedia and/or the Commons about the "Charpchives"

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• I agree with both points above. Create a subpage User:Carptrash's charpchives - and images to commons...Modernist (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
  • So, do you want to use the letter as a reference in the article? I believe such a letter would count as a primary source.
  • Has a secondary source (like a newspaper, book, etc.) published information about this letter, or about someone asking him to take a position? Generally Wikipedia articles are supposed to be based on secondary sources, rather than primary sources
  • WhisperToMe (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
    • I would suggest discussing the matter with the RS noticeboard at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard - While I am aware IAR exists, I'm not sure that every Wikipedia editor would agree that using IAR in this instance would be the best choice. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
      • You are welcome :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You're always welcome :-)

Just worked on the 2 photos of the Joe Louis sculpture. There would be no free equivalent for this because the sculptor probably copyrighted his work. ;-) We hope (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm excited about...

Sylvanus Morley, who seems to connect some of your favorite things: Santa Fe architecture, primary research into Mayan imagery, Albert Kahn buildings that Corrado Parducci worked on (specifically Morley was a consultant on the theatre in the Fisher Building), and spying on Germans in Mexico. (Only 80% sure about that last one.) What a guy! Did you know? --Lockley (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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John Weaver (artist)

I started a page on this sculptor and was wondering if you would like to provide any input. John Weaver (artist)

just changed the link from draft to main article Canoe1967 (talk) 10:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your continued input. It seems the Nimitz statue is in storage at the naval academy. It would be a shame if it is 'semi-permanent' storage. I emailed the academy, and they may be able to scan a picture of it if I can't find one with rights to upload to the commons. Should we ask the academy to display it in the capitol area or elsewhere?Canoe1967 (talk) 01:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I came across your user name as an editor in the Albin Polasek article, and was hoping you could assist. I have also emailed someone that knows John quite well in Canada. I may mention that he can give permission for any photos taken of his works where freedom of panorama does not exist. I don't know if John will look at the article, contribute, etc. Do you think the article is ready to submit, or should we make it as complete as possible 1st? I replaced the bot signature above, I hope that is ok. I keep forgeting that I should sign in talk areas, but that will change.Canoe1967 (talk) 01:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The museum has given us more information on the bust(s) as well as other works that may warrant enrties in wikipedia:

".....reply to your inquiry about the sculpted bust of Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, USN (1885-1966), fiberglass painted bronze, 24 x 14 x 10 ½ inches, by John B. Weaver, that is in the collection of the U.S. Naval Academy Museum. The bust is currently on exhibition in the World War II section of the Museum.

Nimitz by Weaver was purchased by the USNA Museum in 1965. It is one of three known copies of the bust. Others are owned by the USS North Carolina Battleship, Wilmington, NC, and the National Museum of the United States Navy, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, DC. The Naval Academy copy is the only one registered with the Art Inventories Catalog, Smithsonian Institution Research Information Service.

The Weaver portrait of Nimitz is not the only portrait of Fleet Admiral Nimitz at the Naval Academy. The entrance to Nimitz Library, the main library of the academy, contains a sculpted heroic size bust of Admiral Nimitz by sculptor Felix de Weldon (1907-2003), signed, 1973, but copied off a work done from life in 1948. An oil on canvas portrait of Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz by Adrian Lamb (1901-1989), signed and dated 1960, hangs in the Naval Academy's Memorial Hall......" --Canoe1967 (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield

I just noticed your work on the above, and remembered a few photos I forgot to place. The organization of the "list" seems to be missing (or perhaps "was missing"). I'll suggest a more usual format for WP:Public art, e.g. List of public art in Philadelphia.

BTW, I assume you know something about File:Thorfinn Karlsefni 1918.jpg

All the best,

Smallbones (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I usually just borrow a table from somewhere (usually they ultimately come from the old WP:NRHP tables) and occasionally risk a format change or add a column. I also like showing off my pix (as you can see above). I probably forgot about adding my Gettysburg pix to the List because there didn't seem to be any place to put them. Are you familiar with the Smithsonian SIRIS database. It can probably give a "complete" list for Gettysburg. I can also get out to G'burg to snap 50 or so monuments in a day (they are fairly close together), if I know what I'm looking for - e.g. with coords. Anything I can do to help ... Smallbones (talk) 02:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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This is looking good, a much better solution. I've been running into your work all day, especially on Henry Shrady, a sculptor that I barely knew. His George Washington equestrian statue in Brooklyn is superb. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Joseph Urner

My pleasure, same as always. Is the spelling "Urner" or "Urnar"? I was going to check on my lunch break.

Speaking of, what do you know about William Rush? He's always struck me as an interesting fellow. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps I'll do some more Gettysburg memorial articles this afternoon, if'n I have the time. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Harassment at User: 64.134.153.184

1. I see you recently accused me of changing an article name:

I hope that you do not plan on changing all the numbered regiments (i.e.. 44th Whatever) to lettered regiments (i.e. Forty Fourth) because convention in the books that I have all use numbers. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

but my edit didn't change the name--that wikipedia page has been named that for quite some time. 64.134.153.184 (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

2. You're followup to my 17:02 post:

I am sorry about that. I have been working on List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield and it is a mess of directs and re-directs and all sorts of messy stuff. Why not register as a User? No cost, no hassle and it means that it is less likely that lugs such as myself will leap all over you and accuse you of things that you did not do. Carptrash (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

inaccurately claims false accusations aren't made against registered users. I'm confident you don't believe that. Also, please stop harassing me. 64.134.153.184 (talk) 17:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

3. You're new accusation that I jumped to the conclusion of harassment:

It is always interesting to me when editors view trying to talk through an issue as harassment. I'll try and make sense of your note at the List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield‎ talk page and then get on with . . ..... harassing someone else. Carptrash (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

is continued harassment and blatantly false: you specifically admitted to "leap[ing] all over" me. Knock it off (for all editors, not just me). 64.134.153.184 (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

4. With your veiled accusation (sarcasm) of an "incarnation" to imply a stub for which I just added a few items (e.g, Template:Expand section, Template:Empty section) is not a "nice job":

Nice job on the 11th Mississippi Infantry Monument article. I think its recent incarnation was yours. Carptrash (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll start looking for the page to report your harassment. You also have tried to denigrate an opinion because it actually quantified "appropriate": images of more than 1000 monuments are not needed on this page, which will force it to be about 5 times longer (page length) than appropriate. 64.134.153.184 (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC):

+ "appropriate." I'll have to remember to add that to my list of words that mean in my opinion. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

You might want to add your term "view trying" and "Nice job" to your User talk page list of opinion terminology. Regardless, you've done a good job at trying to discourage a new user from posting, but as you can see it has been successful. 64.134.153.184 (talk) 18:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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It is clearly not going to work responding to your user page as anything I write there will become evidence of more harassment. However I don't think that I can harrass you on my user page, though I could be wrong. The ethics folks will let me know, I'm sure.
I am sitting here, have been for several days, surrounded by:

• Baruch, Mildred C. and Ellen Beckman, ‘’Civil War Union Monuments’’, Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War 1861-1865 Inc. Washington D.C. 1978

• Craven, Wayne, ‘’The Sculptures at Gettysburg’’, photographs by Milo Stewart, Eastern National Park & Monument Association, Eastern Acorn Press, 1982

• Grimm, Herbert L. and Paul L. Roy, ‘’Human Interest Stories of the Three Days’ Battles at Gettysburg’’, Times and News Publishing Co. Gettysburg, PA, 1927

• Hawthorne, Frederick W. ‘’Gettysburg: Stories of Men and Monuments’’, The Association of Licensed Battlefield Guides, Hanover PA 1988

• Hartwig, D. Scott and Ann Marie Hartwig, ‘’Gettysburg: The Complete Pictorial of Battlefield Monuments’’, Thomas Publications, Gettysburg PA 1988 * 1995

• Martin, David G., ‘’Confederate Monuments at Gettysburg: The Gettysburg Monuments, Volume 1’’, Longstreet House, Hightstown N.J., 1986

• Widener, Ralph W., ‘’Confederate Monuments: Enduring symbols of the South and the War Between the States’’, Andromeda Press, Washington D.C. 1982

• and more

trying to make sense out of List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield. Trying to get it into a good reference for the monuments. Which are, many of them, significant works of art. It seemed to me to be necessary to remove some large mini-articles from the list and put them elsewhere, in all cases, an article about that monument. It turned out, I think, that some of these had already been articles, and had been re-directed to the list. It was, so it seemed, a mess. Somehow in the course of all that I got crossed with you and your efforts to work in this same small pond. I am surprised to learn that you are a new editor since your understanding of the inner workings of wikipedia seems to be fairly knowledgeable. Likely you are a quick learner, certainly faster than me. But all that will come out, I suppose, as the ethics people swing into action. Carptrash (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Gettysburg monuments

Yes, removing |thumb was all that was needed to make the images display better. Before we went to our current template-based system, WP:NRHP used simple tables like the one at the Gettysburg list for its lists of NRHP sites, and we always used the code [[File:Filename.jpg|100px]], because it was substantially better than [[File:Filename.jpg|thumb|100px]]. The thumb thing is only really useful when you have a caption to insert, so in my opinion it's useless in a table. Nyttend (talk) 16:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you, ... but I'm still Boring. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I got the nickname from my nephews and niece, after I listed the factual inaccuracies of a video on YouTube. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks much for creating the entry on my Dad! So ironic that yesterday I was showing off his work to some people and the next thing I know is the person pulled out their smartphone and starts telling me about his career. I asked where on earth they got the info, and they said Wikipedia! I knew there was no Wiki entry - that is until you posted it just a couple days ago... The timing of these events are too weird. BTW the mention I make of the trotter woodcarving at the Harness Racing museum was unknown to me until three weeks ago. Our family had no idea this diorama existed, until 3 weeks ago! My father didn't know what happened to it when his parents estate was settled, and we left it's fate in limbo. I get a call out the blue only to find out find out it's in perfect condition - that is - for a carving that's over 70 years old! I would have wanted it in a museum anyway, but it it was already there for about 40 years...

Thanks for the wiki posting tips and I will be mindful of them. I do plan to post some pictures with the entry once I am passed the 4 days waiting period. The picture business does seem rather complicated though, so it may take a number of attempts to get it all to look decent.

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I have never done this before

Let's see what happens? Should I spell out my issue here or wait? Perhaps both? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I have been working on this article List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield and it was going along just fine. Then, yesterday (though I just found it) this edit occured.

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=List_of_monuments_of_the_Gettysburg_Battlefield&diff=prev&oldid=490484553

It was probably a good faith edit by an annon user who had just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Now the article is (opinion) a mess, but because several edits have occured since that disaster, I can't undo it. Can you? Carptrash (talk) 02:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

So now I'll try this.

I have been working on this article List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield and it was going along just fine. Then, yesterday (though I just found it) this edit occured. http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=List_of_monuments_of_the_Gettysburg_Battlefield&diff=prev&oldid=490484553

It was probably a good faith edit by an annon user who had just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Now the article is (opinion) a mess, but because several edits have occured since that disaster, I can't undo it. Can you?

Carptrash (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

One can revert (more detailed instructions) to an old version of an article manually by bringing it up in the history, making a null edit on the old version, and saving it. You'll get a warning message to the effect of "This is an old version of this article. If you save you will erase any more recent changes" which tells you you're doing it right. Twinkle also has a button that allows one do do this via any diff page.

I think, though, that if at all possible this edit should be improved upon rather than reverted. The IP did add some significant content, albeit not in a very pretty way. Danger! ^{High voltage!} 07:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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I missed the benches

I never noticed the benches for viewing the Cavalry Charge and Artillery sculpture groups at the Grant Memorial in D.C. Even though it was dedicated 57 years after the Civil War, the vividness of the figures must have been overwhelming for those who lived through the war or grew up hearing about it. Grant's Tomb in NYC used to be the most-visited attraction in the United States. Valley Forge and Gettysburg produce big emotions. D-Day, too. But imagine if D-Day was happening close to where you lived, and the outcome was likely to change your life, one way or the other. Veterans have a strong understanding of this, but I wish the general public did, too. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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I randomly stumbled across your userpage. You're very funny. This is very refreshing as the site has seemed inundated with angry, humourless POV warriors of late (or at least the areas of it I frequent) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.228.117 (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I think that this is a good thing. Where is your user page? Carptrash (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

You have a third thumb?

Thanks, but I haven't done that much. Just gone looking for images on Commons. It's guys like you who write the content who make the big contributions. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:43, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, if something gets challenged, I'm sure Wikipedia will take it down. My earliest posts were about architects, uploading HABS images to the Commons so they could be added to the articles. I didn't understand how important categorizing images was. Sorry, if I seemed like a jerk. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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I added dates from SIRIS where I could. No sign of a Robert Burns statue in Ayr by Bissell. I'll come back to this. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Carptrash, thanks for the feedback. There have been ongoing issues with that page for quite some time, and I do appreciate that my actions might seem drastic. However, the page was poorly written from the beginning, with lots of unsourced speculations about ancient cultures about things that are unlikely to ever be known for certain, unsourced statements about modern cultures that are downright false, and misinterpretations of citations from archaeological literature. Some of the more egregious stuff was already removed a while ago; I put citation needed tags on much of the rest of it a year ago and made some notes on the discussion page, it appears that the original author of the page couldn't be bothered to fix their own errors, and so I thought it'd be better to remove the unsourced speculative information, as this doesn't really have a place in Wikipedia. Of course, others are welcome to disagree with me and to restore some or all of the text I've removed, but I don't think that would be beneficial given that it is almost entirely unsourced, most of it is speculative, and some of it is downright false. Thanks for taking the time to leave me a message and hopefully this is the end of the problems with that page. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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I didn't know the organization, just the writer. Maybe we should move to e-mail. I tried to e-mail you last week at the architectural sculpture website. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I did check the email there - to no avail. Try me at eeklon at yahoo dot com. I suspect that we will have stuff to chat about. Carptrash (talk) 14:37, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Where is that list of monuments that you need pictures of? I am hiking the whole battlefield this weekend --Guerillero | My Talk 01:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Knoxville Hiker

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Hiker Monuments

I have added ten locations to the page and an wondering if the Everett, Mass in Middlesex county is the same location as the one located in Oak Grove Cemetery in Medford, Middlesex county, Mass? I also believe there is a Hiker Monument in Memphis, Tennessee as well. Several years ago I added many of these monument in the findagrave. com webpage and volunteers have photographed many of the ones I added today. I assume those photos cannot be added here? Jbberry (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Kitson Hiker

I must have exited and not signed in on the last edit or two? The photos are on the findagrave.com webpage and most of the photographers are funny about the photos they take so Im not going to take any of them for this page. Better safe than sorry. I believe I have them all in except one I am trying to verify in Winchester Park, AShburnham, Mass. Still not sure about that one. It is exciting to see them all on one page. Do you know if any were created and later taken down or destroyed? Jbberry (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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A month of pouting is enough

	An end to the pout and the edit drought. Make it fast and have a draught!
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Thanks 13. I've got 3 or 4 cold ones, waiting for me in the fridge at home (work first, then play) - I converted a new wikiconvert (I think) today - life is good. Carptrash (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, very much so. eeklon at yahoo dot com, if you don't already have it. Looking forward to seeing what she says. Carptrash (talk) 19:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please see the article: Jenny Ealin Delony. It is not a copy and paste. LHBaker has made the necessary changes. Can you please correct. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmwydra (talk • contribs) 22:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

You mean my "newbie" is showing?!?

Whoa..."been away so long, I hardly knew the place..." (I even forgot that I had already established my account - lol!) Yep, I am no stranger to Wikipedia as a reference source, but my comments to you were my first effort to go beyond the browsing stage. Now, I have been authorized to write a Wikipedia bio for a successful and well-recognized Nashville songwriter. He's a very interesting character who actually revealed a good deal of his personal life to me since I made the offer to do this. The offer was made as a result of my being able to locate a string of references here to songs that he had either written or co-written, but all of his references were in red, meaning...well, you know. I asked if he paid a publicist to do things like this, as many do. He said, "No, have at it." He also said, "My life is an open book." and began sending me references to online interviews and details that I had only had limited awareness of, including his unexplainable and "miraculous" (by all accounts) recovery from death (by legal definition, 3X) from "full-blown" AIDS. (i.e., way beyond "HIV positive" status)

I have known and been friends with he and his wife (i.e., of some 30 years) for about a decade now, and though he credits her with being his "saving grace" and claims not to have had "gay sex" since they were married, he was pretty active in the gay community that existed in "Nashville Underground" for a good deal of his adolescence and young adulthood. Juxtapose this with being accepted early on by the Southern Gospel music and publishing industry/community, and you have the makings of a fairly incendiary "early years" segment. These days, he's seen and heard around Nashville songwriter haunts pretty routinely and divides his time between this, instructing a few select "students" in the art of writing for the Nashville market and driving his tractor on their farm.

Oh, and by the way, the chromatic harmonica is definitely a "different animal" in terms of learning to play it, let alone "master" it, as the examples you have cited have. But it IS a harmonica, nonetheless. If the distinction is between a "harp" (colloquial) and a harmonica, then I can appreciate your discernment between instruments and the players that play them. But I would bet "dollars to donuts" that either Stevie or Toots, known for their chromatic skill, could pick up a diatonic harmonica and play some Blues that would make you want to run for cover. So...what were we discussing? :) Aloha. (>]:o)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patdahat (talk • contribs) 12:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

'Just Dropped In To See What Condition Your Condition Was In...

Bummer. Didn't your MD warn you about trying to change careers so late in life? The NFL place kicker role might seem glamorous at first, but difficult to sustain without Wheaties and warm-ups. Know what I mean? Take care, be pono and thanks for the Wiki guidance - always appreciated. Aloha.(>]:o.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.57.142 (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Nice hat! I bet it has some stories to tell. I should know... (http://www.facebook.com/PattheMFNHat) Aloha. (>];o)~ Patdahat (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a good hat is like a good woman. Carptrash (talk) 21:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

So..... ?

I take it we have been editing the same articles.... ?

Reg.

EKM — Preceding unsigned comment added by EinarKM (talk • contribs) 16:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Cashwan Website

Saw that you were looking for the owners of Sam Cashwan's website. I am his great grandson (I knew him and enjoyed visiting with him in his studio). The site is owned by my family (I believe my uncle did the work for it, but I am not sure). Anyway, I can probably help or get you in touch with those who can help if I know what it is you're looking for. I believe you can contact me through my Wikipedia account?

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Took care of it for now. Deserves expansion and a gallery at least. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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• The next step is a drive to improve the main Philadelphia Museum of Art article. The article is currently 'B-Class', but Jessica was confident that with the abundance of high quality sources about the Museum that it could be improved even further. Jessica recommended this extensive source from the Museum's website.
• Another idea that came out of the meeting was a project within the Museum to assess which PMA-related topics are missing articles on Wikipedia.
• One of Jessica's ideas is to have the knowledgeable curators of the Museum provide recommended reading lists for PMA-related articles. That should be a great first step to guiding editors towards the information they need to expand and improve that content.
• Also raised for discussion were some ideas about how to engage the broader community. There is interest in setting up a tour/edit-a-thon, but this remains in the preliminary stage. Would you be interested in participating in such an event?
• We have new stats! These 24 articles are all under the PMA project. I compiled the last 90-day page views and then annualized the results. PMA-related articles get almost 800,000 view per year!

See the stats!

Article Importance Class View last 90 days Views annualized Philadelphia Museum of Art Top B 22,790 91,160 The Concert Singer High B 783 3,132 Crucifixion Diptych (van der Weyden) High C 1,500 6,000 Perelman Building High C 986 3,944 The Gross Clinic High C 12,897 51,588 William Rush and His Model High C 1,038 4,152 Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2 High Start 26,892 107,568 Rodin Museum High Start 5,323 21,292 Soft Construction with Boiled Beans (Premonition of Civil War) High Start 11,026 44,104 The Bride Stripped Bare By Her Bachelors, Even High Start 13,639 54,556 Wedding dress of Grace Kelly High Start 5,810 23,240 Étant donnés High Stub 7,464 29,856 Bird in Space High Unassessed 10,365 41,460 Diana (Saint-Gaudens) High Unassessed 1,450 5,800 Interior (Degas) High Unassessed 2,434 9,736 The Bathers (Cézanne) High Unassessed 7,166 28,664 Three Musicians High Unassessed 9,421 37,684 The Fairman Rogers Four-in-Hand Mid C 736 2,944 Anne d'Harnoncourt Mid Stub 1,266 5,064 Lansdowne House Mid Stub 3,763 15,052 Portrait of Leslie W. Miller Mid Unassessed 362 1,448 Yellow Odalisque Mid Unassessed 817 3,268 Rocky Steps Low Start 41,341 165,364 Samuel S. Fleisher Art Memorial Low Start 304 1,216 Total 189,573 758,292 views per quarter views per year

It's exciting to have a partner in Jessica Milby and there should be a lot of good work coming out the collaboration within the next 3-6 months. Please stop by the GLAM/PMA project page and leave your thoughts. What ideas do you have? How can we move forward on the above projects? I Hope you're all well. Cheers! Ocaasi 19:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

John Angel

Hi. I see you uploaded File:Angel at the Exeter War Memorial.jpg. I can crop it into a bio portrait if you like, although the family might not appreciate that, but as you seem to have access to more you might upload a finer portrait; the infobox is currently devoid of an image. Can you upload one?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

De nada. I'll expand it probably tomorrow, the lead needs work. If you have some specific sources in google books or whatever with missing info please link them on the article talk page and alert me to them. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

What library do you run? Milburn has tagged the image I uploaded, such images are best uploaded to the commons with OTRS ticket. Can you arrange his with JMilburn?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I started Phallic architecture, dedicating the article to you of course who seemed to have problems "keeping it up" on wikipedia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add more thrust to the article and enlargen it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Perhaps you can help me

Hi there. I'm sorry, but these kinds of situations are a complete pain. What we need is explicit permission from the copyright holder (usually the original photographer) releasing the image under a free license. Without that, it can't really be used, and, unless it has previously been published, we couldn't even use it under a claim of non-free use. J Milburn (talk) 15:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The copyright would be retained by the photographer for the rest of their life, and by his or her family for the next 70 years. Unless whoever gave it to you explicitly said so, they would not have granted you copyright (even if they said that you're free to do with it as you will- that's not the same as saying "you have copyright" or "this is in the public domain"). I appreciate how ridiculous this seems, but the decision has been made that Wikipedia should approach these questions in a very black-and-white way. J Milburn (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I have attempted to re-establish contact with the family member who gave me the pictures and will try and get a better statement from him. I am hoping that after a decade or so his email address is still in play. Life. It is so rarely boring. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Trying to find them after they closed their Prodigy account might be tough. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I just heard from Jon Angel, and everything is okay, I just need to get it formatted for wikipedia and perhaps Milburn will assist me on that. Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

call

eek, let me know a good time to call you --Lockley (talk) 18:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

cool! I'll catch up with this w/e --Lockley (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for John Angel (sculptor)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Ask Milburn, no idea.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

It was

And you're welcome. :) --Golbez (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed!

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The Brass Anchor is a retail establishment, ships chandlery, in Pentwater Mich. They are open to the public during business hours, and have been in existence for several decades. One can phone them directly at their listed telephone number 231-869-4200 EST. They are in possession of a Visquesney Navy sailor statue, as discribed in the Doughboy article, holding his hat aloft.Kolinger (talk) 06:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Spirit of the American Navy

Carptrash, okay please forgive me as I am not wiki savvy. I do not care to get extensive as far as posting. However, I can tell you that my father purchased what we believe is an original Visquesney Sailor in the mid to late 70's. he bought it from a collector in the Chicago area and we do not know it's original location but believe it was a Chicago area community. It has been supposed he may have been made at Chicago Bridge and Iron, as apparently, possibly, that was a local foundry for Visquesney. He came complete with 22 caliber bullet hole as like the doughboy's these pieces took alot of abuse while on public display. My folks visited Spencer Indiana where Visquesney operated, and spoke with (at the time) a retired newspaper owner who directed them to a small local museum of Visquesneys works. They also visited the rehabs of the Navy and Doughboy in Clearwater Florida. In any case our Navy Sailor is on public display inside the Brass Anchor, my families establishment in Pentwater Michigan. I certianly can vouch for his presence there the past few decades. As far as authentication that the Smithsonian or for that matter wikipedia would accept I cannot help with that. Appreciate your efforts on this subject regardless.Kolinger (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Spirit of Amerrican Navy

Hi Carptrash,

Thanks for your efforts, your starter page is at least a start! I believe I do have pictures but not the know how to post to wiki. I could of course email.. I am not located with the statue but do visit it periodically. The statue is annually moved for cleaning (around- the piece itself is only dusted of course) and next time that happens we will check the inside/underside for marks. It has a stamped plaque on the base, my father and I took a rubbing of that years ago because it is not particulary legible, so markings are nominal help. Not sure what happened to our rubbing but I can ask. My Dad is gone but Mom survives and is super sharp as of this writing. I have only seen photos of the Clearwater Florida Navy, but as I recall ours looks identical in the photos re size and color. My folks did visit that Navy as I stated earlier) The info posted with the Doughboy regarding locations of Navy are pretty much in keeping with what we were told.

Upon ruminating think I do have a column from the Oceana Times circa 1980 something.. The Brass Anchor was presented a plaque from the Pentwater Historical Society which mentions the shop contains the Visquesney Navy. Will see if I can dig that upKolinger (talk) 02:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Tower of Jewels (PPIE)

Good to see you back. Thanks for the assist. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

you are welcome

yes its bit difficult to identify the face of Mr SWRD in that picture,as its a low res one,good that you added his name and the position to the caption. cheers MediaJet (talk) 04:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Happy.................

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I have corrected the tags (by removing them and commenting).[9] Thincat (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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String support

Just wanting to clarify — is your comment on Dr Blofeld at DYK meant to be "strong support"? Note that you were logged out when doing it; I'm assuming that you're the only one who signs as Einar aka ~~~~. If you want, I can RevDel the edits that include the address: WP:OV permits the oversighting of edits in which users accidentally revealed their own IP addresses, and WP:CRD permits admins to RevDel anything that's oversightable. Talkback or reply at my talk, please. Nyttend (talk) 20:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

RevDel performed and Oversight requested. I've removed the revision text for a lot of edits, since the IP signature was visible in them, as well as the editor's username for the edit performed by the IP. Not trying to be flippant — have you tried sticky traps? I've caught four mice with them in the last few months; once I get one stuck, it's a simple matter of taking it outside and dropping a concrete block on it. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Ran out? What do the mice do to them? My parents have been using the same few spring traps since I was little. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Each mouse gets to keep the trap that gets him/her. Sort of like a Viking funeral, but no boat. Or fire. Now the rat traps I do reuse. Carptrash (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay; didn't think of that, since I grew up knowing that the mouse would be dumped and the trap reused. Nyttend (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, we have a periodic problem with them. I set up a gauntlet of different kinds of trips, laid out in an overlapping array. Rather like a mine field. Usually works. I reuse the traps. We have been supplementing it with a warfarin based poison in the crawl space. Seems to be quite effective.. While I feel badly about dispatching the mice, the destruction that they cause to personal property (and the potential hanta virus, makes them "vermin" when they come indoors. So I would dispatch them accordingly. Many years ago, I used a "Hav-a-heart" trap to catch a large Norway rat that was in my garage. Once I caught him, the problem was how to dispose of him. I put him in the cage into a filled bathtub with predictable results. I was not going to 'catch and release' a Norway rat. OTOH, I have caught and released many possums, racoons, squirrels, birds and chipmunks. So that's my advice FWIW. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Never tried catch-and-release with anything (I've never caught anything except plants when angling, so can't count fish either); I really really don't like crushing a mouse with a concrete block, but it's the only way to keep it from coming back inside. Never had issues with larger animals, so I'm not quite sure how I'd deal with them. Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I have a "graveyard" outback with perhaps a hundred traps with 100 skeletons attached. it has evolved based on how far I can toss the trap from as far as i can wander outside with no shoes on. Probably I should consider re-using them, but my buddhist background makes the whole process marginal at best. I invented the term "assisted reincarnation" for the process and am considering a wikipedia article of the same name, though am not finding a lot of references. I did just add a reference to the Reincarnation article, a byproduct of this discussion. Carptrash (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Jack Kevorkian called it that, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 04:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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So you mean...

...that there were three Wise Men and one Wise Guy?

Merry Christmas to you, too! Happy editing in 2013! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I live in DC. I'm used to wise guys. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

No matter. We can send you a few - we've got plenty. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The Christmas Season

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ho ho ho indeed you betcha!

A very happy set of year-end holidays with druidic and pagan undertones to you and everyone in Carptrashia! --Lockley (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

hey mister, on your question, notability would be the only issue, but as a scholar I believe he belongs here. I'd be glad to lend my help posting it (my new articles are auto-reviewed) or just as moral support. Hope everybody's okay including you.--Lockley (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for the Christmas greetings. I hope you had a lovely Christmas and have a great New Year's. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Florek-wikipedia.jpg

Is this photo free? I don't believe that it is. You said that it came from a copyrighted program, so I wonder if this is your own work. If not, I'm afraid that the photo must be deleted. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 06:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Actually, I want the source of where you retrieved the image. Also, I want prove that University was an author. Was it scanned or originated in the website? Even if created in 1970s, publication is different from creation. Unless the photo WAS proven to have been published first in the 1970s, I'm afraid that it may not qualify for Commons under commons:Commons:Project scope. Look at publicity images, like Three's Company. --George Ho (talk) 05:20, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Any luck yet? --George Ho (talk) 12:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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recent edits at User_talk:TheAmericanCritic

Hi,

I understand your perspective on this user's recent edits, and agree. However, I think your response on their talk page might have verged a bit into biting the newbies territory. You're clearly a more experienced editor than I am, so I could perhaps be misinterpreting, and I am certainly skeptical of this user's future contributions given their edits so far. I'd be happy to discuss this further too, perhaps there is something i'm missing. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the substance of your criticisms I do agree with. I work very hard at maximizing the assumption of good faith, with the full knowledge that that will get abused by a few. At the same time, I don't see how WP can function otherwise. little details like the assumption of a gender -- i think they matter, despite the fact that this user said something that is almost invariably spoken by males. if we make that assumption we are complicit in normalizing those stereotypes. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Male privilege

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Hope you don't mind, I've just made a bunch of formatting changes to a talkpage edit of yours, to make it clearer to readers what 'you' were saying, and what you were 'quoting.' Another editor (usethecommandline) seems to have already misread your quote as your opinion, so I took this unusual step to make it clearer. I think your edit was entirely appropriate and hope the discussion doesn't degenerate. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Cory Edwards image

Hi. Thanks for pointing that out. How might I be able to determine who holds copyright on the image? The website [10] has a copyright tag at the bottom, so would that mean that he holds the copyright on all images contained on the site? If he doesn't own the copyright on the image, is there another way that I might be able to find an image of him that could be used on Wikipedia? --Jpcase (talk) 01:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

George Keller (architect)

... then you will certainly be led astray.
Happy New Year, Einar.
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Carl Conrads

"... best known as one of the sculptors for the National Monument to the Forefathers." — not my words.
Check out the new (old) photo I stumbled across. It implies Conrads was punctual with completing his commissions. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

While David Ransom states that George Keller's winning design in the 1874 competition for a Taunton, Massachusetts soldiers' monument was "never executed,"[11] I did find this 1902 Taunton monument with a statue by Conrads.[12] I wonder if this is Keller's design or that of another architect? BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Just some very deep dives into Google.

I came across references to a Minute Man statue at Lexington and a Nathan Hale statue at the Connecticut Capitol. Since the Lexington statue was done by Henry Hudson Kitson and the CT Capitol statue was done by Karl Gerhardt, I wonder if these were Conrads works that didn't win competitions, or were abandoned for some other reason.

David Ransom teases, dropping that there are 6 Conrads works in Cedar Hill Cemetery, but not identifying any of them. My hope is that the angel entering the Howard Pyramid is one of them.

And I wish someone would post a public-domain photo of the Samuel J. Tilden Memorial.

'Night. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 05:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL He may be notable enough for an article. He isn't the one that did the lions on the bridge though. I think I came across him in a review of Imredy's wife's book. I am still trying to find the other name.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems Charles Marega does have an article, that is the man I was thinking of. I should see if Peggy Imredy's book in in our library system. It is linked to many libraries in Canada and I can have it brought to my local branch if I can remember my online password.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

wayback machine is a dead link in the article. It has more detail to expand the article.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

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well hallo Carptrash. What are you working on lately? Any good arguments I can jump into the middle of? --Lockley (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

that's an excellent cause. To take it seriously for a moment, just a moment, maybe an indignant & rabble-rousing screed on the topic is called for ("Did you know you're not even allowed to take pictures in public, woof woof woof, this is an outrage, founding fathers, big brother, big government, Ruby Ridge, etc.") and then a White House petition, maybe that's a better idea. A million dollars for a lobbyist doesn't get you much, I hear. Only one with a high piping voice who smells like garlic. --Lockley (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

you're aware of this page, yes? --Lockley (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Far better than a barnstar which I have only recieved two of so far. I wonder if you have time to read this and see what material we can expand his article with. I am a little busy with other things and I suck a paraphrasing. I got it from the helpful volunteers at WP:RX.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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I have seen one or both images on us.gov sites so they can probably be uploaded to commons as PD-Gov-US license.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for the thumb - I've got a couple of my own, so another isn't necessary. :-)

If it helps: I haven't checked on Pillars yet, but Triebel is unrepresented in the National Portrait Gallery, the SAAM, or the National Gallery; I checked all three databases. Seems like his Statuary Hall work is about all that exists here in DC. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

True. Even so, you'd be surprised at what, exactly, ends up in the Smithsonian. Such as William Randolph Barbee - never heard of him until I stumbled across his Fisher Girl at SAAM. Surprising work - quite lovely. Alas, there appears to be scant trace of him in his hometown, though there is a historical marker which I've passed umpteen times without paying attention to it. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Not just - ever run into a copy of Randolph Rogers' Nidia, the Slave Girl of Pompeii? There's a copy of that at SAAM, too. Drinking out of the same well.

Barbee is particularly interesting to me because of his background. Why did he become a sculptor? He started off as a lawyer, and I can't think of any artistic life in the Shenandoah Valley that might have driven him to change. He's an anomaly in the annals of nineteenth-century Virginia; we haven't produced many artists. I really wish there was more on record about his background. I wrote the Page County Historical Society for information over a year ago, but never heard back from 'em.

Incidentally, the bust at Thornton Gap was removed, I'm told; the historian at Shenandoah National Park responded as much to a query I sent her a while ago. There's a book with a picture available, but not at Google Books. One of these days I have to get down to the library to look into it. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 00:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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I'm so happy, thank you… and HaPpY eDiTiNg! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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Here is an email that I received from the sculptor of this piece. I hate to hound her for more, is this enough? Should I include her email so that you can verify this?

"Dear Einar,

I would like to see them stay and I know of no prohibition of my work remaining on these sites. But I could check with GSA and find out for certain. Since this project was paid for with tax payer money it seems only fair but there may be other considerations I am unaware of. This was all in my contract I am sure but I no longer remember. Let me know if you wish me to pursue this.

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Thank you for the message about my edit to the page Audrey Munson. I would firstly like to say, that while I may need "emotional work" in some areas of my life, my edit to this page was entirely unemotional. I actually agree with you that the preferred term should be "actor", regardless of gender. I was not very pleased when whoever decided that we needed to begin recategorization on the basis of gender. I am the person who initially created the category "Silent film actors" and contributed in creating a large number of biographies of actors of the silent film era and had always categorized them as "Silent film actors". However, over the course of the last month or so, I began seeing my watchlist being inundated with changes from other users and bots to silent film actor biographies I created from "actor" to "actress". This trend has also happened with the categories "Stage actors", "Film actors", "19-Century actors" and "20th-Century actors", amongst others. As I have said, I also do not feel the need for actors to be divided into further categories by gender. The scale of the changes, by so many users left me feeling as though I had little recourse but to simply "give in", lest a few biographies of female actors be hidden away amongst the category of "X-nationality silent film actors" (that is now largely populated by male actors) and not easily found by users searching the the now larger category of "X-nationality silent film actresses" that someone else has created.

I am pleased to tell you that your good streak of being right has not been broken, as we are in agreement. If there is a discussion or a vote to change the categorizations back to simply "actor", I will indeed vote for the non-gender specific title. As it is now, I have begrudgingly recategorized all of my silent film actor biographies and many others on the basis of gender. ExRat (talk) 03:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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• OK, this is now going further, as I have just noticed on my watch list that the category "Western (genre) film actors" has been segregated by gender as well and there is now a new category of "Western (genre) film actresses". ExRat (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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For the question you put on my talk page, I have replied there. Thincat (talk) 19:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Carptrash. Just a note to let you know that in addition to the licensing requirements for the statue, you should add your license of choice for the photograph to the above image. Best, -- Dianna (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a 2004 posting. I will look into this as best I can. Today. Carptrash (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I notice that on File:7StruggleMH.jpg I used the Fair Use argument, I am not inclined to do that on the shot you mentioned, nor on the 4 or 5 other Hoffman's in that same article. I am inclined to let these live or die by what I can discover about their original status. Carptrash (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

In that case you might like to revert to the larger version, or even upload a bigger still version if you still have one on hand somewhere. -- Dianna (talk) 00:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I have my Malvina Hoffman images from the Field Museum in hand but am not inclined to do anything until I am a bit more sure of the copyright issues. Despite appearances, I am not out to intentionally violate copyright laws. Particularly not on wikipedia turf. On the SIRIS database, on the entry for a work called Elemental Man the Smithsonian notes, "(On figure's lower proper left side:) MALVINA HOFFMAN (copyright symbol) 1936 signed" This work was copyrighted in 1936. Whether that copyright was renewed is a whole another matter, but not one I am too concerned with. However when that ("copyright symbol)" is not noted then I am proceeding under belief that the work was not copyrighted. Most of the images of her work that I used were part of a display called the Hall of Man or sometimes the Races of Mankind. An article I will write soon. Those works were commissioned by the museum, so copyright was probably not seen as being important. Everyone knew where they were going to be and I doubt that anyone then had any ideas about making multiple castings. I am emailing the museums involved and will, hopefully get a reply, one way or another. Carptrash (talk) 01:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I know you are not out to intentionally violate copyright law. When Stefan2 himself admits he is not sure about an image, you know you've got a complex case on your hands! Some pages you might like to bookmark are below. These are just the tip of the iceberg, so I'm sure all of us are going to have a few errors now and then:

* Commons:De minimis

* Commons:Freedom of panorama

* Commons:Hirtle chart

* Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US

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Thanks, again. I believe that it was pretty much the tip of the iceberg that sunk the Titanic. Carptrash (talk) 01:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

For most cases, everything you need to know is in the Hirtle chart. -- Dianna (talk) 18:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

This is sort of good news. The not-so-god part is when I clicked on the Hirtle Chart link I received this message: "This page does not currently exist." But then, what is the meaning of existence anyway? I will look elsewhere for the Hirtle Chart on google, see what pops up. Carptrash (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Found it, printed it and will be ready for the exam by fRIDAY. Carptrash (talk) 19:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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This is just advice, not a warning or anything like that. I realize you're probably trying to lighten the mood a bit, but I really doubt that Memills will be receptive to that intention. I suggest you leave him alone except for serious discussion about the article, preferably on the article talk page. KillerChihuahua 16:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Like Memills, I am an emotional type, and I also regret dragging your good name into he mud like that. I realize that I really am not yout type, and never will be, but I am also famous (infamous) for not being able to pass up a (what I see as) a good line. Carptrash (talk) 16:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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One month topic ban: Men's rights movement

Carptrash - I asked you before to check yourself on the talk page. You're aware it is under article probation. Unfortunately, you've continued the vendetta against red links and then escalated it to personal attacks. I'm going to ask you to step away now with a 1-month topic ban until April 26, 2013.--v/r - TP 01:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I do not consider calling someone a communist, or as having leftist leanings as being an attack. They might choose to take it as one, I guess I'll just have to learn to live with it. My objection to red linked editors is that many editors (i.e. ME) feel a need to check edits made by red linked editors because, in my experience, 87% of all the vandalism I encounter comes from them and unregistered editors. About 3 or 4 times a week I suggest to new editor that s/he blue his/her user name as a courtesy to other editors who are actually trying to work on wikipedia not just push a personal agenda. However courtesy to other editors seems to be nothing that the editors in question (if you think that I am talking about you, you probably are correct) are inclined towards, so I tend to cut them less slack that I otherwise might. Carptrash (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI...it is viriditas not veritas. HTH. Viriditas (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

It is all Greek to me. Carptrash (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hallo, dear old Carptrash. Still insisting on behaving like a human rather than a wikipedian, I see (re: above conversation about redlinks). Good for you. How are things? --Lockley (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

yes, we've spoken since your Dad passed. For some reason I often think of when you told me he and your Mom went off their many medications all the sudden and..... nothing happened. Hope your whole family is doing well. We're thriving, more or less, the colorful sudden spring up here making all the difference, mysteriously. Looks like at Men's Rights -- well, I'm not going to insult anybody. But I think an organized mutual-aid society of old-school humans on wikipedia is not totally a bad idea. (Now I'm going to try something in your style:) Life. Who'd have thunk it? --Lockley (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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You may be interested in issues brought up at: User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Wisdom_needed. Also see an image I made: File:Protest info image draft.png--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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I've been changing the word "actor" to "actress" because there are numereous seperate categories for men and women "actors". There are categories for film and television "actresses", so i've been adding people to them. I've also been doing this so that the actor categories will not became overpopulated.Vincelord (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Translated the French page into our article. Here's another source you can use. [13] –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there,

I thought I'd reply to your last post here since it's not strictly speaking about the article itself and also so I could attach a link to an article about it that I think is funny.

Yes, there sure is a lot of amusement to be had. It makes me wonder what would've become of various civil rights movements if we'd had the internet 50 years ago. So much of the MRA 'struggle' seems to only happen on the internet as opposed to manifesting in real life in any way (e.g. legislative change; attributable, of course, to the feminazi conspiracy) and the factor of trolling makes it a really weird phenomenon. Maybe they'll grow out of it in a few years. That article I mentioned is here [14] Kind regards, --TyrS 13:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I prefer to think

That if he has gone, it is to allow himself time to be reflective. I do think that his edits had a great deal of anger and resentment behind them. He had gone once before, shortly after I took my break, and only reappeared after i put notifications on his talk page of discussions that referenced (but did not really involve) him. Responding to those notifications is a mistake I've made too while trying to take a break. He seems to have a genuine interest in the material, and if that persists I expect he will be back in some form or another. And hopefully he will be the better, both as a person and as an editor, for having taken a break. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 05:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I have found that my wikibreaks have usually returned me a better editor, perhaps it will work for him too. I had a friend (sometimes friend) who was tossed out of her anger management class for being ..... well too angry. SInce our fellow will probably return in another guise we probably will never know whether he is off reflecting or just licking his wounds, sharpening his sword and preparing to come charging back into the fray. Carptrash (talk) 13:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Irregardless, I went ahead and contacted someone to RevDel some of that content. I thought it was a bit personal, and he clearly misunderstood the idea of a retained edit history. Unfortunately, one of your edits, and a couple of mine, got caught up in it as well. I hope that's not an issue for you, and if so, I'm sorry. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 20:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you have more experience with this, and I defer to that. I was trying to refrain from judging the story itself, and am aware that there are commonalities in the stories told by those who identify with this movement, such as it is. If it were 100% true, then it likely contained sensitive enough material that I would be concerned about it remaining in the public edit history. If it were 100% false, then i would have different concerns, but would still be concerned about it remaining in the edit history.

You probably already know this or can infer it. I guess I feel a need to debrief about the episode a bit. Thanks for indulging me.

Also, you did not fall for my "irregardless" troll. points for that. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 22:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Commons review

You may wish to pop over to commons and read over the deletion review for File:Nighthawks by Edward Hopper 1942.jpg. It gives great insight on copyright issues over there. This is another one that was deleted after the actual copyright holder chimed in. I feel there are many of these works in public domain and most aren't aware of them. Eventually as people understand how the laws work then we should be able to search for more images and upload those as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like we will be able to keep it. Thanks for the input.

--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I think most of the copyright gurus at commons accept a search of http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ . I haven't used it much but others have. There are two cases I lost with works by Tom Kelley (photographer) and Ed Miracle. There were so many pirate/bootleg versions created then it is hard to prove that they were published before 1977 without proper notice. One user did find a record of the Red Velvet series taken in 1949 by Mr. Kelley which are listed at the bottom of this deletion review. Tom Jr. actually chimed in at that DR to verify that it had been proven in court more than once when the heirs to MM tried to claim her personality rights on images he has the copyrights for. I actually own an official version of the Ed Miracle work that is used on the cover of The_World_Is_Flat#Editions. An agent of his emailed OTRS after I uploaded the front and back images of my painting that showed no proper copyright notice. I conceded that deletion review before I knew of the site where I could search records. I may yet do a search of the records for it. I think it can be difficult because some are listed by name of work and others by name of copyright holders. commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright has very good advice in these cases. I usually discuss them there before uploading. Ones like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:New_York_Rangers.svg I just upload if I think they will pass easily.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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greetings old friend

All is well. Mother-in-law in the other room, staying for two weeks. Hope all is well with you! I'm finding there's some enjoyably bizarre stuff going on in French academic painting. Quite an evident enjoyment of feet, for instance. And this.... (what was the word we used all the time?).... artifact...no! "Event". That use of that word makes me smile. --Lockley (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Akron? Wow, Akron! Have fun visiting Matzen's "events" and say hello to the Midwest for me. Knowing the Midwest, it'll probably give you the silent treatment, but sometimes you just gotta step up and be the adult in the relationship, y'know? Let's talk pretty soon. --Lockley (talk) 04:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

by the way, Senor Carptrash, I don't know if you looked at Gordon in preparation for your trip to Akron, but Gordon is down right now, that's a known problem and a temporary condition. Just FYI. Shalom! --Lockley (talk) 15:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Reach out

Any ideas on who to contact in Helena, Montana to check for a copyright notice on File:The Bullwacker by John Weaver.jpg? It was erected/published in 1976 so if there is no proper copyright markings on the statue then it is public domain. I think I lost the email from the photographer a few hard drives ago but I may be able to track him for OTRS on the photo. He was actually very proud to have his image here and approved the license I placed on it. I was also wondering if one of us should join http://www.sculpture.net/community/ and see if they can help us get 'blanket' OTRS permissions for their works. They may climb all over each other to have images uploaded and even supply some of their own images. We could create a page of OTRS sculptors that allow any images of their works on commons provided we attribute them. With Helena I was thinking of emailing the chamber of commerce to check the statue and possibly provide images. I think I can contact Mr. Weaver's heirs to ask about releasing rights to images as well. If you notice on John Weaver (artist) there are some in Canada that may be in your area to photograph or find contacts that can. I still hope to get around Edmonton for images of the many he has here.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Someone at commons may know if any copyrights are normally listed on http://www.si.edu/ pages unless you do? Statue and photo copyrights usually fit in three categories in the US for public domain. Published/unveiled to public before 1923 are public domain. Between 1923 and 1963 they needed copyright renewal in a tight window 28 years after publishing/unveiling. I think less that 5% were renewed. Between 1963 and 1977 if they weren't published with proper markings (© or the words copr. or copyright, the year, and name or indentifiable initials all in close proximity) then they are public domain. After 1978 most are probably copyright without markings. The renewals between 1923 and 1963 can be searched at http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ . I keep meaning to write a wp:essay about all of this to make it easier. Many just use http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_Chart but I want to include the OTRS system for photographers, consent, lincensing, uploading, categories etc.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I just created http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Canoe1967/Scupltors Feel free to edit it. The 'Why this is a good thing' section may be a good place to start or just add ideas to the talk page.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

With File:The Bullwacker by John Weaver.jpg someone brought up a previous deletion review that I had forgotten about. All of his works are PD between 1923 and 1963 because there were no renewals when they searched. The ones between 1964 and 1977 would need 'proper' copyright notices, (which I doubt any have), in 'plain view' or they are public domain. For 1978 and later it gets murky but the heirs could help or they may all be in Canada. We may still need and email from the photographer: http://www.panoramio.com/user/175971?with_photo_id=42304403 but my Panoramio account doesn't work any more. Do you know anyone that has one to contact him? He was really fast and friendly before so he will probably just email OTRS if we ask. Make sure he has the file name so they can find it. I added his links to the file page as well. Thanks for your help on the sculptor project. We may wish to clean up your wording on the project page there or just link to a page with a whole bunch of reasons why it is a good thing written by others. With yours at the top of course.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I managed to recover my account and sent an email.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Carptrash. Thank you for the advice, I took action writing something on my user page. Also, thanks for your approval of my work at Second Empire architecture. Anyway, I'm not actually a Detroiter! Markhole (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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GW Carter

Thanks much for creating the entry on my Dad! So ironic that yesterday I was showing off his work to some people and the next thing I know is the person pulled out their smartphone and starts telling me about his career. I asked where on earth they got the info, and they said Wikipedia! I knew there was no Wiki entry - that is until you posted it just a couple days ago... The timing of these events are too weird. BTW the mention I make of the trotter woodcarving at the Harness Racing museum was unknown to me until three weeks ago. Our family had no idea this diorama existed, until 3 weeks ago! My father didn't know what happened to it when his parents estate was settled, and we left it's fate in limbo. I get a call out the blue only to find out find out it's in perfect condition - that is - for a carving that's over 70 years old! I would have wanted it in a museum anyway, but it it was already there for about 40 years...

Thanks for the wiki posting tips and I will be mindful of them. I do plan to post some pictures with the entry once I am passed the 4 days waiting period. The picture business does seem rather complicated though, so it may take a number of attempts to get it all to look decent.

Regards,

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I have never done this before

Let's see what happens? Should I spell out my issue here or wait? Perhaps both? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I have been working on this article List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield and it was going along just fine. Then, yesterday (though I just found it) this edit occured.

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=List_of_monuments_of_the_Gettysburg_Battlefield&diff=prev&oldid=490484553

It was probably a good faith edit by an annon user who had just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Now the article is (opinion) a mess, but because several edits have occured since that disaster, I can't undo it. Can you? Carptrash (talk) 02:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

So now I'll try this.

I have been working on this article List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield and it was going along just fine. Then, yesterday (though I just found it) this edit occured. http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=List_of_monuments_of_the_Gettysburg_Battlefield&diff=prev&oldid=490484553

It was probably a good faith edit by an annon user who had just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Now the article is (opinion) a mess, but because several edits have occured since that disaster, I can't undo it. Can you?

Carptrash (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

One can revert (more detailed instructions) to an old version of an article manually by bringing it up in the history, making a null edit on the old version, and saving it. You'll get a warning message to the effect of "This is an old version of this article. If you save you will erase any more recent changes" which tells you you're doing it right. Twinkle also has a button that allows one do do this via any diff page.

I think, though, that if at all possible this edit should be improved upon rather than reverted. The IP did add some significant content, albeit not in a very pretty way. Danger! ^{High voltage!} 07:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

File: St GuadensShaw Mem.jpg

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I missed the benches

I never noticed the benches for viewing the Cavalry Charge and Artillery sculpture groups at the Grant Memorial in D.C. Even though it was dedicated 57 years after the Civil War, the vividness of the figures must have been overwhelming for those who lived through the war or grew up hearing about it. Grant's Tomb in NYC used to be the most-visited attraction in the United States. Valley Forge and Gettysburg produce big emotions. D-Day, too. But imagine if D-Day was happening close to where you lived, and the outcome was likely to change your life, one way or the other. Veterans have a strong understanding of this, but I wish the general public did, too. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Philadelphia Museum of Art

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I randomly stumbled across your userpage. You're very funny. This is very refreshing as the site has seemed inundated with angry, humourless POV warriors of late (or at least the areas of it I frequent) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.228.117 (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I think that this is a good thing. Where is your user page? Carptrash (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

You have a third thumb?

Thanks, but I haven't done that much. Just gone looking for images on Commons. It's guys like you who write the content who make the big contributions. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:43, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, if something gets challenged, I'm sure Wikipedia will take it down. My earliest posts were about architects, uploading HABS images to the Commons so they could be added to the articles. I didn't understand how important categorizing images was. Sorry, if I seemed like a jerk. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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George Edwin Bissell

I added dates from SIRIS where I could. No sign of a Robert Burns statue in Ayr by Bissell. I'll come back to this. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Puebloan dwellings

Hi Carptrash, thanks for the feedback. There have been ongoing issues with that page for quite some time, and I do appreciate that my actions might seem drastic. However, the page was poorly written from the beginning, with lots of unsourced speculations about ancient cultures about things that are unlikely to ever be known for certain, unsourced statements about modern cultures that are downright false, and misinterpretations of citations from archaeological literature. Some of the more egregious stuff was already removed a while ago; I put citation needed tags on much of the rest of it a year ago and made some notes on the discussion page, it appears that the original author of the page couldn't be bothered to fix their own errors, and so I thought it'd be better to remove the unsourced speculative information, as this doesn't really have a place in Wikipedia. Of course, others are welcome to disagree with me and to restore some or all of the text I've removed, but I don't think that would be beneficial given that it is almost entirely unsourced, most of it is speculative, and some of it is downright false. Thanks for taking the time to leave me a message and hopefully this is the end of the problems with that page. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Article you might find interesting

Michael J. Lewis on how we don't seem to know how to do memorials anymore: [17] or [18]
BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know the organization, just the writer. Maybe we should move to e-mail. I tried to e-mail you last week at the architectural sculpture website. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I did check the email there - to no avail. Try me at eeklon at yahoo dot com. I suspect that we will have stuff to chat about. Carptrash (talk) 14:37, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Gettysburg

Where is that list of monuments that you need pictures of? I am hiking the whole battlefield this weekend --Guerillero | My Talk 01:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Elizabeth Gurley Flynn

Thanks for calling this to my attention. Take a look now and see what you think.

[19]

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Knoxville Hiker

I an new to this but when I added the information on the Knoxville Hiker and all the inscription data it made the knoxville page very large and none of the other inscriptions were there either. So I edited my own work. Are you interested in the Hiker monuments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbberry (talk • contribs) 21:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Hiker Monuments

I have added ten locations to the page and an wondering if the Everett, Mass in Middlesex county is the same location as the one located in Oak Grove Cemetery in Medford, Middlesex county, Mass? I also believe there is a Hiker Monument in Memphis, Tennessee as well. Several years ago I added many of these monument in the findagrave. com webpage and volunteers have photographed many of the ones I added today. I assume those photos cannot be added here? Jbberry (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Kitson Hiker

I must have exited and not signed in on the last edit or two? The photos are on the findagrave.com webpage and most of the photographers are funny about the photos they take so Im not going to take any of them for this page. Better safe than sorry. I believe I have them all in except one I am trying to verify in Winchester Park, AShburnham, Mass. Still not sure about that one. It is exciting to see them all on one page. Do you know if any were created and later taken down or destroyed? Jbberry (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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A month of pouting is enough

	An end to the pout and the edit drought. Make it fast and have a draught!
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Thanks 13. I've got 3 or 4 cold ones, waiting for me in the fridge at home (work first, then play) - I converted a new wikiconvert (I think) today - life is good. Carptrash (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, very much so. eeklon at yahoo dot com, if you don't already have it. Looking forward to seeing what she says. Carptrash (talk) 19:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please see the article: Jenny Ealin Delony. It is not a copy and paste. LHBaker has made the necessary changes. Can you please correct. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmwydra (talk • contribs) 22:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

You mean my "newbie" is showing?!?

Whoa..."been away so long, I hardly knew the place..." (I even forgot that I had already established my account - lol!) Yep, I am no stranger to Wikipedia as a reference source, but my comments to you were my first effort to go beyond the browsing stage. Now, I have been authorized to write a Wikipedia bio for a successful and well-recognized Nashville songwriter. He's a very interesting character who actually revealed a good deal of his personal life to me since I made the offer to do this. The offer was made as a result of my being able to locate a string of references here to songs that he had either written or co-written, but all of his references were in red, meaning...well, you know. I asked if he paid a publicist to do things like this, as many do. He said, "No, have at it." He also said, "My life is an open book." and began sending me references to online interviews and details that I had only had limited awareness of, including his unexplainable and "miraculous" (by all accounts) recovery from death (by legal definition, 3X) from "full-blown" AIDS. (i.e., way beyond "HIV positive" status)

I have known and been friends with he and his wife (i.e., of some 30 years) for about a decade now, and though he credits her with being his "saving grace" and claims not to have had "gay sex" since they were married, he was pretty active in the gay community that existed in "Nashville Underground" for a good deal of his adolescence and young adulthood. Juxtapose this with being accepted early on by the Southern Gospel music and publishing industry/community, and you have the makings of a fairly incendiary "early years" segment. These days, he's seen and heard around Nashville songwriter haunts pretty routinely and divides his time between this, instructing a few select "students" in the art of writing for the Nashville market and driving his tractor on their farm.

Oh, and by the way, the chromatic harmonica is definitely a "different animal" in terms of learning to play it, let alone "master" it, as the examples you have cited have. But it IS a harmonica, nonetheless. If the distinction is between a "harp" (colloquial) and a harmonica, then I can appreciate your discernment between instruments and the players that play them. But I would bet "dollars to donuts" that either Stevie or Toots, known for their chromatic skill, could pick up a diatonic harmonica and play some Blues that would make you want to run for cover. So...what were we discussing? :) Aloha. (>]:o)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patdahat (talk • contribs) 12:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

'Just Dropped In To See What Condition Your Condition Was In...

Bummer. Didn't your MD warn you about trying to change careers so late in life? The NFL place kicker role might seem glamorous at first, but difficult to sustain without Wheaties and warm-ups. Know what I mean? Take care, be pono and thanks for the Wiki guidance - always appreciated. Aloha.(>]:o.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.57.142 (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Carptrash Photo

Nice hat! I bet it has some stories to tell. I should know... (http://www.facebook.com/PattheMFNHat) Aloha. (>];o)~ Patdahat (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a good hat is like a good woman. Carptrash (talk) 21:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

So..... ?

I take it we have been editing the same articles.... ?

Reg.

EKM — Preceding unsigned comment added by EinarKM (talk • contribs) 16:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Cashwan Website

Saw that you were looking for the owners of Sam Cashwan's website. I am his great grandson (I knew him and enjoyed visiting with him in his studio). The site is owned by my family (I believe my uncle did the work for it, but I am not sure). Anyway, I can probably help or get you in touch with those who can help if I know what it is you're looking for. I believe you can contact me through my Wikipedia account?

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Took care of it for now. Deserves expansion and a gallery at least. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi GLAM PMA folks! I wanted to update you about some recent events related to our fantastic Museum. I met Jessica Milby, PMA Collections Information Project Manager, at Wikimania in July. Jessica was looking for ways to improve articles on Wikipedia about the Museum and its artists/collections. We followed up a few weeks later at the Perelman Building in downtown Philadelphia where we discussed ways to increase participation in the GLAM/PMA project.

• The first idea is to do some outreach to the GLAM:PMA project members, including mass messages updating you all about plans and, seeking feedback about new ideas, and hearing your thoughts about what's in the works.
• The next step is a drive to improve the main Philadelphia Museum of Art article. The article is currently 'B-Class', but Jessica was confident that with the abundance of high quality sources about the Museum that it could be improved even further. Jessica recommended this extensive source from the Museum's website.
• Another idea that came out of the meeting was a project within the Museum to assess which PMA-related topics are missing articles on Wikipedia.
• One of Jessica's ideas is to have the knowledgeable curators of the Museum provide recommended reading lists for PMA-related articles. That should be a great first step to guiding editors towards the information they need to expand and improve that content.
• Also raised for discussion were some ideas about how to engage the broader community. There is interest in setting up a tour/edit-a-thon, but this remains in the preliminary stage. Would you be interested in participating in such an event?
• We have new stats! These 24 articles are all under the PMA project. I compiled the last 90-day page views and then annualized the results. PMA-related articles get almost 800,000 view per year!

See the stats!

Article Importance Class View last 90 days Views annualized Philadelphia Museum of Art Top B 22,790 91,160 The Concert Singer High B 783 3,132 Crucifixion Diptych (van der Weyden) High C 1,500 6,000 Perelman Building High C 986 3,944 The Gross Clinic High C 12,897 51,588 William Rush and His Model High C 1,038 4,152 Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2 High Start 26,892 107,568 Rodin Museum High Start 5,323 21,292 Soft Construction with Boiled Beans (Premonition of Civil War) High Start 11,026 44,104 The Bride Stripped Bare By Her Bachelors, Even High Start 13,639 54,556 Wedding dress of Grace Kelly High Start 5,810 23,240 Étant donnés High Stub 7,464 29,856 Bird in Space High Unassessed 10,365 41,460 Diana (Saint-Gaudens) High Unassessed 1,450 5,800 Interior (Degas) High Unassessed 2,434 9,736 The Bathers (Cézanne) High Unassessed 7,166 28,664 Three Musicians High Unassessed 9,421 37,684 The Fairman Rogers Four-in-Hand Mid C 736 2,944 Anne d'Harnoncourt Mid Stub 1,266 5,064 Lansdowne House Mid Stub 3,763 15,052 Portrait of Leslie W. Miller Mid Unassessed 362 1,448 Yellow Odalisque Mid Unassessed 817 3,268 Rocky Steps Low Start 41,341 165,364 Samuel S. Fleisher Art Memorial Low Start 304 1,216 Total 189,573 758,292 views per quarter views per year

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John Angel

Hi. I see you uploaded File:Angel at the Exeter War Memorial.jpg. I can crop it into a bio portrait if you like, although the family might not appreciate that, but as you seem to have access to more you might upload a finer portrait; the infobox is currently devoid of an image. Can you upload one?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

De nada. I'll expand it probably tomorrow, the lead needs work. If you have some specific sources in google books or whatever with missing info please link them on the article talk page and alert me to them. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

What library do you run? Milburn has tagged the image I uploaded, such images are best uploaded to the commons with OTRS ticket. Can you arrange his with JMilburn?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I started Phallic architecture, dedicating the article to you of course who seemed to have problems "keeping it up" on wikipedia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add more thrust to the article and enlargen it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Perhaps you can help me

Hi there. I'm sorry, but these kinds of situations are a complete pain. What we need is explicit permission from the copyright holder (usually the original photographer) releasing the image under a free license. Without that, it can't really be used, and, unless it has previously been published, we couldn't even use it under a claim of non-free use. J Milburn (talk) 15:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The copyright would be retained by the photographer for the rest of their life, and by his or her family for the next 70 years. Unless whoever gave it to you explicitly said so, they would not have granted you copyright (even if they said that you're free to do with it as you will- that's not the same as saying "you have copyright" or "this is in the public domain"). I appreciate how ridiculous this seems, but the decision has been made that Wikipedia should approach these questions in a very black-and-white way. J Milburn (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I have attempted to re-establish contact with the family member who gave me the pictures and will try and get a better statement from him. I am hoping that after a decade or so his email address is still in play. Life. It is so rarely boring. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Trying to find them after they closed their Prodigy account might be tough. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I just heard from Jon Angel, and everything is okay, I just need to get it formatted for wikipedia and perhaps Milburn will assist me on that. Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

call

eek, let me know a good time to call you --Lockley (talk) 18:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

cool! I'll catch up with this w/e --Lockley (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for John Angel (sculptor)

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Ask Milburn, no idea.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

It was

And you're welcome. :) --Golbez (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed!

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Spirit of the American Navy

Carptrash, okay please forgive me as I am not wiki savvy. I do not care to get extensive as far as posting. However, I can tell you that my father purchased what we believe is an original Visquesney Sailor in the mid to late 70's. he bought it from a collector in the Chicago area and we do not know it's original location but believe it was a Chicago area community. It has been supposed he may have been made at Chicago Bridge and Iron, as apparently, possibly, that was a local foundry for Visquesney. He came complete with 22 caliber bullet hole as like the doughboy's these pieces took alot of abuse while on public display. My folks visited Spencer Indiana where Visquesney operated, and spoke with (at the time) a retired newspaper owner who directed them to a small local museum of Visquesneys works. They also visited the rehabs of the Navy and Doughboy in Clearwater Florida. In any case our Navy Sailor is on public display inside the Brass Anchor, my families establishment in Pentwater Michigan. I certianly can vouch for his presence there the past few decades. As far as authentication that the Smithsonian or for that matter wikipedia would accept I cannot help with that. Appreciate your efforts on this subject regardless.Kolinger (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Spirit of Amerrican Navy

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Thanks for your efforts, your starter page is at least a start! I believe I do have pictures but not the know how to post to wiki. I could of course email.. I am not located with the statue but do visit it periodically. The statue is annually moved for cleaning (around- the piece itself is only dusted of course) and next time that happens we will check the inside/underside for marks. It has a stamped plaque on the base, my father and I took a rubbing of that years ago because it is not particulary legible, so markings are nominal help. Not sure what happened to our rubbing but I can ask. My Dad is gone but Mom survives and is super sharp as of this writing. I have only seen photos of the Clearwater Florida Navy, but as I recall ours looks identical in the photos re size and color. My folks did visit that Navy as I stated earlier) The info posted with the Doughboy regarding locations of Navy are pretty much in keeping with what we were told.

Upon ruminating think I do have a column from the Oceana Times circa 1980 something.. The Brass Anchor was presented a plaque from the Pentwater Historical Society which mentions the shop contains the Visquesney Navy. Will see if I can dig that upKolinger (talk) 02:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Tower of Jewels (PPIE)

Good to see you back. Thanks for the assist. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

you are welcome

yes its bit difficult to identify the face of Mr SWRD in that picture,as its a low res one,good that you added his name and the position to the caption. cheers MediaJet (talk) 04:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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I thought that you deserved something a bit extra for all of the amazing work you've done for the project. You've been nominated you for a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation!

I would have done it, but one of your fans already beat me to it. Thanks, 7&6=thirteen (☎) 09:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy.................

Thanksgivin'! Happy Thanksgivin' to you. Hope it's filled with many blessings and friends and family. RaidenRules! (talk) 23:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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I have corrected the tags (by removing them and commenting).[20] Thincat (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Just wanting to clarify — is your comment on Dr Blofeld at DYK meant to be "strong support"? Note that you were logged out when doing it; I'm assuming that you're the only one who signs as Einar aka ~~~~. If you want, I can RevDel the edits that include the address: WP:OV permits the oversighting of edits in which users accidentally revealed their own IP addresses, and WP:CRD permits admins to RevDel anything that's oversightable. Talkback or reply at my talk, please. Nyttend (talk) 20:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

RevDel performed and Oversight requested. I've removed the revision text for a lot of edits, since the IP signature was visible in them, as well as the editor's username for the edit performed by the IP. Not trying to be flippant — have you tried sticky traps? I've caught four mice with them in the last few months; once I get one stuck, it's a simple matter of taking it outside and dropping a concrete block on it. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Ran out? What do the mice do to them? My parents have been using the same few spring traps since I was little. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Each mouse gets to keep the trap that gets him/her. Sort of like a Viking funeral, but no boat. Or fire. Now the rat traps I do reuse. Carptrash (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay; didn't think of that, since I grew up knowing that the mouse would be dumped and the trap reused. Nyttend (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, we have a periodic problem with them. I set up a gauntlet of different kinds of trips, laid out in an overlapping array. Rather like a mine field. Usually works. I reuse the traps. We have been supplementing it with a warfarin based poison in the crawl space. Seems to be quite effective.. While I feel badly about dispatching the mice, the destruction that they cause to personal property (and the potential hanta virus, makes them "vermin" when they come indoors. So I would dispatch them accordingly. Many years ago, I used a "Hav-a-heart" trap to catch a large Norway rat that was in my garage. Once I caught him, the problem was how to dispose of him. I put him in the cage into a filled bathtub with predictable results. I was not going to 'catch and release' a Norway rat. OTOH, I have caught and released many possums, racoons, squirrels, birds and chipmunks. So that's my advice FWIW. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Never tried catch-and-release with anything (I've never caught anything except plants when angling, so can't count fish either); I really really don't like crushing a mouse with a concrete block, but it's the only way to keep it from coming back inside. Never had issues with larger animals, so I'm not quite sure how I'd deal with them. Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I have a "graveyard" outback with perhaps a hundred traps with 100 skeletons attached. it has evolved based on how far I can toss the trap from as far as i can wander outside with no shoes on. Probably I should consider re-using them, but my buddhist background makes the whole process marginal at best. I invented the term "assisted reincarnation" for the process and am considering a wikipedia article of the same name, though am not finding a lot of references. I did just add a reference to the Reincarnation article, a byproduct of this discussion. Carptrash (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Jack Kevorkian called it that, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 04:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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So you mean...

...that there were three Wise Men and one Wise Guy?

Merry Christmas to you, too! Happy editing in 2013! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I live in DC. I'm used to wise guys. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

No matter. We can send you a few - we've got plenty. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The Christmas Season

...and a very happy one to you.--Wetman (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

ho ho ho indeed you betcha!

A very happy set of year-end holidays with druidic and pagan undertones to you and everyone in Carptrashia! --Lockley (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

hey mister, on your question, notability would be the only issue, but as a scholar I believe he belongs here. I'd be glad to lend my help posting it (my new articles are auto-reviewed) or just as moral support. Hope everybody's okay including you.--Lockley (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for the Christmas greetings. I hope you had a lovely Christmas and have a great New Year's. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Actually, I want the source of where you retrieved the image. Also, I want prove that University was an author. Was it scanned or originated in the website? Even if created in 1970s, publication is different from creation. Unless the photo WAS proven to have been published first in the 1970s, I'm afraid that it may not qualify for Commons under commons:Commons:Project scope. Look at publicity images, like Three's Company. --George Ho (talk) 05:20, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Any luck yet? --George Ho (talk) 12:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi,

I understand your perspective on this user's recent edits, and agree. However, I think your response on their talk page might have verged a bit into biting the newbies territory. You're clearly a more experienced editor than I am, so I could perhaps be misinterpreting, and I am certainly skeptical of this user's future contributions given their edits so far. I'd be happy to discuss this further too, perhaps there is something i'm missing. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the substance of your criticisms I do agree with. I work very hard at maximizing the assumption of good faith, with the full knowledge that that will get abused by a few. At the same time, I don't see how WP can function otherwise. little details like the assumption of a gender -- i think they matter, despite the fact that this user said something that is almost invariably spoken by males. if we make that assumption we are complicit in normalizing those stereotypes. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Male privilege

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Hope you don't mind, I've just made a bunch of formatting changes to a talkpage edit of yours, to make it clearer to readers what 'you' were saying, and what you were 'quoting.' Another editor (usethecommandline) seems to have already misread your quote as your opinion, so I took this unusual step to make it clearer. I think your edit was entirely appropriate and hope the discussion doesn't degenerate. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Cory Edwards image

Hi. Thanks for pointing that out. How might I be able to determine who holds copyright on the image? The website [21] has a copyright tag at the bottom, so would that mean that he holds the copyright on all images contained on the site? If he doesn't own the copyright on the image, is there another way that I might be able to find an image of him that could be used on Wikipedia? --Jpcase (talk) 01:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

George Keller (architect)

... then you will certainly be led astray.
Happy New Year, Einar.
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Carl Conrads

"... best known as one of the sculptors for the National Monument to the Forefathers." — not my words.
Check out the new (old) photo I stumbled across. It implies Conrads was punctual with completing his commissions. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

While David Ransom states that George Keller's winning design in the 1874 competition for a Taunton, Massachusetts soldiers' monument was "never executed,"[22] I did find this 1902 Taunton monument with a statue by Conrads.[23] I wonder if this is Keller's design or that of another architect? BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Just some very deep dives into Google.

I came across references to a Minute Man statue at Lexington and a Nathan Hale statue at the Connecticut Capitol. Since the Lexington statue was done by Henry Hudson Kitson and the CT Capitol statue was done by Karl Gerhardt, I wonder if these were Conrads works that didn't win competitions, or were abandoned for some other reason.

David Ransom teases, dropping that there are 6 Conrads works in Cedar Hill Cemetery, but not identifying any of them. My hope is that the angel entering the Howard Pyramid is one of them.

And I wish someone would post a public-domain photo of the Samuel J. Tilden Memorial.

'Night. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 05:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL He may be notable enough for an article. He isn't the one that did the lions on the bridge though. I think I came across him in a review of Imredy's wife's book. I am still trying to find the other name.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems Charles Marega does have an article, that is the man I was thinking of. I should see if Peggy Imredy's book in in our library system. It is linked to many libraries in Canada and I can have it brought to my local branch if I can remember my online password.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

wayback machine is a dead link in the article. It has more detail to expand the article.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

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well hallo Carptrash. What are you working on lately? Any good arguments I can jump into the middle of? --Lockley (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

that's an excellent cause. To take it seriously for a moment, just a moment, maybe an indignant & rabble-rousing screed on the topic is called for ("Did you know you're not even allowed to take pictures in public, woof woof woof, this is an outrage, founding fathers, big brother, big government, Ruby Ridge, etc.") and then a White House petition, maybe that's a better idea. A million dollars for a lobbyist doesn't get you much, I hear. Only one with a high piping voice who smells like garlic. --Lockley (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

you're aware of this page, yes? --Lockley (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Far better than a barnstar which I have only recieved two of so far. I wonder if you have time to read this and see what material we can expand his article with. I am a little busy with other things and I suck a paraphrasing. I got it from the helpful volunteers at WP:RX.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

long overdue

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I have seen one or both images on us.gov sites so they can probably be uploaded to commons as PD-Gov-US license.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Sculptors

Thanks very much for the thumb - I've got a couple of my own, so another isn't necessary. :-)

If it helps: I haven't checked on Pillars yet, but Triebel is unrepresented in the National Portrait Gallery, the SAAM, or the National Gallery; I checked all three databases. Seems like his Statuary Hall work is about all that exists here in DC. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

True. Even so, you'd be surprised at what, exactly, ends up in the Smithsonian. Such as William Randolph Barbee - never heard of him until I stumbled across his Fisher Girl at SAAM. Surprising work - quite lovely. Alas, there appears to be scant trace of him in his hometown, though there is a historical marker which I've passed umpteen times without paying attention to it. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Not just - ever run into a copy of Randolph Rogers' Nidia, the Slave Girl of Pompeii? There's a copy of that at SAAM, too. Drinking out of the same well.

Barbee is particularly interesting to me because of his background. Why did he become a sculptor? He started off as a lawyer, and I can't think of any artistic life in the Shenandoah Valley that might have driven him to change. He's an anomaly in the annals of nineteenth-century Virginia; we haven't produced many artists. I really wish there was more on record about his background. I wrote the Page County Historical Society for information over a year ago, but never heard back from 'em.

Incidentally, the bust at Thornton Gap was removed, I'm told; the historian at Shenandoah National Park responded as much to a query I sent her a while ago. There's a book with a picture available, but not at Google Books. One of these days I have to get down to the library to look into it. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 00:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Well, it is very simple: I am participating in the February 2013 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive, and by pure chance I came across the article about Louis Satterfield. I've had to spend a couple of days on it, but as a start article, it is not too bad, right now. I hope that someone more informed than me about "Lui Lui" will continue the work that started from you.
I'm so happy, thank you… and HaPpY eDiTiNg! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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Here is an email that I received from the sculptor of this piece. I hate to hound her for more, is this enough? Should I include her email so that you can verify this?

"Dear Einar,

I would like to see them stay and I know of no prohibition of my work remaining on these sites. But I could check with GSA and find out for certain. Since this project was paid for with tax payer money it seems only fair but there may be other considerations I am unaware of. This was all in my contract I am sure but I no longer remember. Let me know if you wish me to pursue this.

My best,

Diana"

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Carptrash,

Thank you for the message about my edit to the page Audrey Munson. I would firstly like to say, that while I may need "emotional work" in some areas of my life, my edit to this page was entirely unemotional. I actually agree with you that the preferred term should be "actor", regardless of gender. I was not very pleased when whoever decided that we needed to begin recategorization on the basis of gender. I am the person who initially created the category "Silent film actors" and contributed in creating a large number of biographies of actors of the silent film era and had always categorized them as "Silent film actors". However, over the course of the last month or so, I began seeing my watchlist being inundated with changes from other users and bots to silent film actor biographies I created from "actor" to "actress". This trend has also happened with the categories "Stage actors", "Film actors", "19-Century actors" and "20th-Century actors", amongst others. As I have said, I also do not feel the need for actors to be divided into further categories by gender. The scale of the changes, by so many users left me feeling as though I had little recourse but to simply "give in", lest a few biographies of female actors be hidden away amongst the category of "X-nationality silent film actors" (that is now largely populated by male actors) and not easily found by users searching the the now larger category of "X-nationality silent film actresses" that someone else has created.

I am pleased to tell you that your good streak of being right has not been broken, as we are in agreement. If there is a discussion or a vote to change the categorizations back to simply "actor", I will indeed vote for the non-gender specific title. As it is now, I have begrudgingly recategorized all of my silent film actor biographies and many others on the basis of gender. ExRat (talk) 03:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

EDIT

• OK, this is now going further, as I have just noticed on my watch list that the category "Western (genre) film actors" has been segregated by gender as well and there is now a new category of "Western (genre) film actresses". ExRat (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review of image deletion

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For the question you put on my talk page, I have replied there. Thincat (talk) 19:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

pretty boy floyd edits

Made a mistake trying to add a reference and decided to remove what I added and leave this shit to the people who know what the hell they're doing. Sorry 'bout the mess.

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File:7AustralianyouthMH.jpg

Hi Carptrash. Just a note to let you know that in addition to the licensing requirements for the statue, you should add your license of choice for the photograph to the above image. Best, -- Dianna (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a 2004 posting. I will look into this as best I can. Today. Carptrash (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I notice that on File:7StruggleMH.jpg I used the Fair Use argument, I am not inclined to do that on the shot you mentioned, nor on the 4 or 5 other Hoffman's in that same article. I am inclined to let these live or die by what I can discover about their original status. Carptrash (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

In that case you might like to revert to the larger version, or even upload a bigger still version if you still have one on hand somewhere. -- Dianna (talk) 00:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I have my Malvina Hoffman images from the Field Museum in hand but am not inclined to do anything until I am a bit more sure of the copyright issues. Despite appearances, I am not out to intentionally violate copyright laws. Particularly not on wikipedia turf. On the SIRIS database, on the entry for a work called Elemental Man the Smithsonian notes, "(On figure's lower proper left side:) MALVINA HOFFMAN (copyright symbol) 1936 signed" This work was copyrighted in 1936. Whether that copyright was renewed is a whole another matter, but not one I am too concerned with. However when that ("copyright symbol)" is not noted then I am proceeding under belief that the work was not copyrighted. Most of the images of her work that I used were part of a display called the Hall of Man or sometimes the Races of Mankind. An article I will write soon. Those works were commissioned by the museum, so copyright was probably not seen as being important. Everyone knew where they were going to be and I doubt that anyone then had any ideas about making multiple castings. I am emailing the museums involved and will, hopefully get a reply, one way or another. Carptrash (talk) 01:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I know you are not out to intentionally violate copyright law. When Stefan2 himself admits he is not sure about an image, you know you've got a complex case on your hands! Some pages you might like to bookmark are below. These are just the tip of the iceberg, so I'm sure all of us are going to have a few errors now and then:

* Commons:De minimis

* Commons:Freedom of panorama

* Commons:Hirtle chart

* Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US

* Commons:URAA-restored copyrights

Best, -- Dianna (talk) 01:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, again. I believe that it was pretty much the tip of the iceberg that sunk the Titanic. Carptrash (talk) 01:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

For most cases, everything you need to know is in the Hirtle chart. -- Dianna (talk) 18:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

This is sort of good news. The not-so-god part is when I clicked on the Hirtle Chart link I received this message: "This page does not currently exist." But then, what is the meaning of existence anyway? I will look elsewhere for the Hirtle Chart on google, see what pops up. Carptrash (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Found it, printed it and will be ready for the exam by fRIDAY. Carptrash (talk) 19:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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This is just advice, not a warning or anything like that. I realize you're probably trying to lighten the mood a bit, but I really doubt that Memills will be receptive to that intention. I suggest you leave him alone except for serious discussion about the article, preferably on the article talk page. KillerChihuahua 16:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Like Memills, I am an emotional type, and I also regret dragging your good name into he mud like that. I realize that I really am not yout type, and never will be, but I am also famous (infamous) for not being able to pass up a (what I see as) a good line. Carptrash (talk) 16:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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One month topic ban: Men's rights movement

Carptrash - I asked you before to check yourself on the talk page. You're aware it is under article probation. Unfortunately, you've continued the vendetta against red links and then escalated it to personal attacks. I'm going to ask you to step away now with a 1-month topic ban until April 26, 2013.--v/r - TP 01:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I do not consider calling someone a communist, or as having leftist leanings as being an attack. They might choose to take it as one, I guess I'll just have to learn to live with it. My objection to red linked editors is that many editors (i.e. ME) feel a need to check edits made by red linked editors because, in my experience, 87% of all the vandalism I encounter comes from them and unregistered editors. About 3 or 4 times a week I suggest to new editor that s/he blue his/her user name as a courtesy to other editors who are actually trying to work on wikipedia not just push a personal agenda. However courtesy to other editors seems to be nothing that the editors in question (if you think that I am talking about you, you probably are correct) are inclined towards, so I tend to cut them less slack that I otherwise might. Carptrash (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI...it is viriditas not veritas. HTH. Viriditas (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

It is all Greek to me. Carptrash (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hallo, dear old Carptrash. Still insisting on behaving like a human rather than a wikipedian, I see (re: above conversation about redlinks). Good for you. How are things? --Lockley (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

yes, we've spoken since your Dad passed. For some reason I often think of when you told me he and your Mom went off their many medications all the sudden and..... nothing happened. Hope your whole family is doing well. We're thriving, more or less, the colorful sudden spring up here making all the difference, mysteriously. Looks like at Men's Rights -- well, I'm not going to insult anybody. But I think an organized mutual-aid society of old-school humans on wikipedia is not totally a bad idea. (Now I'm going to try something in your style:) Life. Who'd have thunk it? --Lockley (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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You may be interested in issues brought up at: User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Wisdom_needed. Also see an image I made: File:Protest info image draft.png--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Translated the French page into our article. Here's another source you can use. [24] –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there,

I thought I'd reply to your last post here since it's not strictly speaking about the article itself and also so I could attach a link to an article about it that I think is funny.

Yes, there sure is a lot of amusement to be had. It makes me wonder what would've become of various civil rights movements if we'd had the internet 50 years ago. So much of the MRA 'struggle' seems to only happen on the internet as opposed to manifesting in real life in any way (e.g. legislative change; attributable, of course, to the feminazi conspiracy) and the factor of trolling makes it a really weird phenomenon. Maybe they'll grow out of it in a few years. That article I mentioned is here [25] Kind regards, --TyrS 13:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I prefer to think

That if he has gone, it is to allow himself time to be reflective. I do think that his edits had a great deal of anger and resentment behind them. He had gone once before, shortly after I took my break, and only reappeared after i put notifications on his talk page of discussions that referenced (but did not really involve) him. Responding to those notifications is a mistake I've made too while trying to take a break. He seems to have a genuine interest in the material, and if that persists I expect he will be back in some form or another. And hopefully he will be the better, both as a person and as an editor, for having taken a break. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 05:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I have found that my wikibreaks have usually returned me a better editor, perhaps it will work for him too. I had a friend (sometimes friend) who was tossed out of her anger management class for being ..... well too angry. SInce our fellow will probably return in another guise we probably will never know whether he is off reflecting or just licking his wounds, sharpening his sword and preparing to come charging back into the fray. Carptrash (talk) 13:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Irregardless, I went ahead and contacted someone to RevDel some of that content. I thought it was a bit personal, and he clearly misunderstood the idea of a retained edit history. Unfortunately, one of your edits, and a couple of mine, got caught up in it as well. I hope that's not an issue for you, and if so, I'm sorry. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 20:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you have more experience with this, and I defer to that. I was trying to refrain from judging the story itself, and am aware that there are commonalities in the stories told by those who identify with this movement, such as it is. If it were 100% true, then it likely contained sensitive enough material that I would be concerned about it remaining in the public edit history. If it were 100% false, then i would have different concerns, but would still be concerned about it remaining in the edit history.

You probably already know this or can infer it. I guess I feel a need to debrief about the episode a bit. Thanks for indulging me.

Also, you did not fall for my "irregardless" troll. points for that. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 22:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Looks like we will be able to keep it. Thanks for the input.

--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I think most of the copyright gurus at commons accept a search of http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ . I haven't used it much but others have. There are two cases I lost with works by Tom Kelley (photographer) and Ed Miracle. There were so many pirate/bootleg versions created then it is hard to prove that they were published before 1977 without proper notice. One user did find a record of the Red Velvet series taken in 1949 by Mr. Kelley which are listed at the bottom of this deletion review. Tom Jr. actually chimed in at that DR to verify that it had been proven in court more than once when the heirs to MM tried to claim her personality rights on images he has the copyrights for. I actually own an official version of the Ed Miracle work that is used on the cover of The_World_Is_Flat#Editions. An agent of his emailed OTRS after I uploaded the front and back images of my painting that showed no proper copyright notice. I conceded that deletion review before I knew of the site where I could search records. I may yet do a search of the records for it. I think it can be difficult because some are listed by name of work and others by name of copyright holders. commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright has very good advice in these cases. I usually discuss them there before uploading. Ones like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:New_York_Rangers.svg I just upload if I think they will pass easily.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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greetings old friend

All is well. Mother-in-law in the other room, staying for two weeks. Hope all is well with you! I'm finding there's some enjoyably bizarre stuff going on in French academic painting. Quite an evident enjoyment of feet, for instance. And this.... (what was the word we used all the time?).... artifact...no! "Event". That use of that word makes me smile. --Lockley (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Akron? Wow, Akron! Have fun visiting Matzen's "events" and say hello to the Midwest for me. Knowing the Midwest, it'll probably give you the silent treatment, but sometimes you just gotta step up and be the adult in the relationship, y'know? Let's talk pretty soon. --Lockley (talk) 04:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

by the way, Senor Carptrash, I don't know if you looked at Gordon in preparation for your trip to Akron, but Gordon is down right now, that's a known problem and a temporary condition. Just FYI. Shalom! --Lockley (talk) 15:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Reach out

Any ideas on who to contact in Helena, Montana to check for a copyright notice on File:The Bullwacker by John Weaver.jpg? It was erected/published in 1976 so if there is no proper copyright markings on the statue then it is public domain. I think I lost the email from the photographer a few hard drives ago but I may be able to track him for OTRS on the photo. He was actually very proud to have his image here and approved the license I placed on it. I was also wondering if one of us should join http://www.sculpture.net/community/ and see if they can help us get 'blanket' OTRS permissions for their works. They may climb all over each other to have images uploaded and even supply some of their own images. We could create a page of OTRS sculptors that allow any images of their works on commons provided we attribute them. With Helena I was thinking of emailing the chamber of commerce to check the statue and possibly provide images. I think I can contact Mr. Weaver's heirs to ask about releasing rights to images as well. If you notice on John Weaver (artist) there are some in Canada that may be in your area to photograph or find contacts that can. I still hope to get around Edmonton for images of the many he has here.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Someone at commons may know if any copyrights are normally listed on http://www.si.edu/ pages unless you do? Statue and photo copyrights usually fit in three categories in the US for public domain. Published/unveiled to public before 1923 are public domain. Between 1923 and 1963 they needed copyright renewal in a tight window 28 years after publishing/unveiling. I think less that 5% were renewed. Between 1963 and 1977 if they weren't published with proper markings (© or the words copr. or copyright, the year, and name or indentifiable initials all in close proximity) then they are public domain. After 1978 most are probably copyright without markings. The renewals between 1923 and 1963 can be searched at http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ . I keep meaning to write a wp:essay about all of this to make it easier. Many just use http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_Chart but I want to include the OTRS system for photographers, consent, lincensing, uploading, categories etc.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I just created http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Canoe1967/Scupltors Feel free to edit it. The 'Why this is a good thing' section may be a good place to start or just add ideas to the talk page.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

With File:The Bullwacker by John Weaver.jpg someone brought up a previous deletion review that I had forgotten about. All of his works are PD between 1923 and 1963 because there were no renewals when they searched. The ones between 1964 and 1977 would need 'proper' copyright notices, (which I doubt any have), in 'plain view' or they are public domain. For 1978 and later it gets murky but the heirs could help or they may all be in Canada. We may still need and email from the photographer: http://www.panoramio.com/user/175971?with_photo_id=42304403 but my Panoramio account doesn't work any more. Do you know anyone that has one to contact him? He was really fast and friendly before so he will probably just email OTRS if we ask. Make sure he has the file name so they can find it. I added his links to the file page as well. Thanks for your help on the sculptor project. We may wish to clean up your wording on the project page there or just link to a page with a whole bunch of reasons why it is a good thing written by others. With yours at the top of course.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I managed to recover my account and sent an email.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Carptrash. Thank you for the advice, I took action writing something on my user page. Also, thanks for your approval of my work at Second Empire architecture. Anyway, I'm not actually a Detroiter! Markhole (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Noticed you mentioned you have this problem - as do I - I have a question have you had any surgery yet for this? and if so how was the operation - do you have full mobility in your hand after?Moxy (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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	For all your great work promoting articles about my and your (former, but I am sure dearly missed) state. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC) P.S., it is possible to reasonably portray both Upper Peninsula and Lower Peninsula using both hands. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Colgate University professor R.M. Douglas discusses his new book Orderly and Humane on You Tube [26]

I have read the book and found it informative, you may be interested in reading it. Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Chateauesque

Einar,

Thank you for your response to my edit on the Chateauesque talk page. Great to hear from you. I just recently made the connection between the architectural philosophy of that time and the corresponding styles. Now that I know what to look for, I'll try to find corroborating support from other sources. If all goes well, I'll re-write much of the main page. At the same time, I seem to be growing increasingly frustrated with the architectural pages at Wikipedia. As much as I appreciate Wikipedia's contributions to pop culture and topics that would typically be overlooked by scholars, the overall presentation of architectural styles and history is pathetic. Readers shouldn't have to wait literally years for editors to piece together bits of information that are already well presented by knowledgeable editors in existing, traditional encyclopedias. Oh well.

And thanks for your addition to the Magic Castle page. (I have corrected the spelling of the Farwell's name.) FYI: Farwell had lived in Redlands in 1894-95. So even though he moved to Los Angeles and was the junior partner with O.P. Dennis, he was the lead architect for Kimberly Crest. He was also a personal friend of Rollin B. Lane and was on the Hollywood Board of Trade, so he became the lead architect on the Lane mansion (now the Magic Castle) as well. Both houses were based on a McKim, Meade and White design that Farwell seems to have pilfered when he worked for that New York firm a few years earlier. The Magic Castle isn't overly concerned about the history of their building prior to its repurposing as a nightclub in 1963 so I have refrained from adding many details to the page.

BTW, it probably won't surprise you to learn that I'm the architectural historian for the Magic Castle in Hollywood, and that I'm writing a monograph on the architecture of Kimberly Crest in Redlands. The design of the two buildings represents a very brief and specific time in the early Valois period of the Francis I transitional style. Kimberly Crest, being largely unaltered since it was first constructed, shows a remarkable resemblance to the Louis XII (east) wing of the Chateau de Blois.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/arts/2013/01/magic_castle.php

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Akron

Hey eek! Don Drumm (sculptor) looks like a fine old fellow. Dying to hear more about what you found in Akron. What's the weirdest thing? --Lockley (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

just looked at Gordon at that second guy, the kind-of-dejected guy. He's very charming and makes me laugh. Wonder if he's modeled after anybody in particular. I wonder how he really feels about his counterpart Mr. America and all that. Glad you had a good trip, sorry you're on the DL but you'll bounce back better than ever I predict. --Lockley (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Happy to join the blue link side then! Thanks again for all the help. KierraF (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Haha, I figured I could use those little guys so people could get a succinct summary of my brain. So I used ALL THE USERBOXES! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KierraF (talk • contribs) 17:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not sure why my username is in red. I would gladly change it to blue if I knew how? As for editing a site to which I have a close connection. I'm just trying to make some basic maintenance changes. Our state legislature has officially changed our name from Coronado State Monument to Coronado Historic Site (effective June 14, 2013), so I was trying to figure out how to change the title or create a simple redirect with the same basic information. All of our sites are in the same situation. Thank you. Coronado Historic Site — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coronado Historic Site (talk • contribs) 15:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Those God-like Byrds tracks

Hi! Thanks for the kind words about my Byrds edits. :) In terms of trippy or psychedelic songs by The Byrds that might suitable for your "simulated" acid trip, "Eight Miles High" is an obvious one...but perhaps too obvious. Other tracks worth checking out are "Change is Now" from The Notorious Byrd Brothers album - it's a great song and Roger McGuinn's lead guitar solo, played over Chris Hillman's pulsating bass, is mind melting stuff! A lot of that album is worth checking out actually, with "Natural Harmony" and "Space Odyssey" both being quite trippy.

Also, check out "Mind Gardens" from the Younger Than Yesterday album -- lots of backwards guitars, pretentious lyrics and a quasi-philosophical raga rock ambiance. It's really self-indulgent, but it's psychedelia to the power of 10. From the Fifth Dimension album, check out "What's Happening?!?!" and "I See You". Also, the original B-side version of "Why" (track 12 on the 1996 Columbia/Legacy Fifth Dimension remaster) would be worth a listen for your purposes. Hope that helps! Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Wow! and g'morning. Anything especially interesting in those Arizona Highways? I remember talking to his wife Bea on the phone, and her cheerfully saying, "That man fulfilled me in every way possible." Life! What are the other choices again? --Lockley (talk) 16:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm Saqib, from Pakistan currently admin on Wikivoyage. I'm planning to visit Sri Lanka next week. I was wondering if we could arrange first meetup of Wikipedians in Sri Lanka during I visit there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.158.139 (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Saqib. Nice to meet you. May I suggest that you first register on wikipedia and send a message that is signed with four of these ~? Carptrash (talk) 14:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, sorry but I'm ex Wikipedian now. I don't use to edit WP anymore. But you can see my talk page here. [27]. --139.190.158.139 (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for reminding me. I appreciate your comment. I will soon write about the artist/muralist on Wikipedia.Untold Unfold (talk) 14:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Holy shit - someone didn't revert

They might be promoting the film, but by labelling the film with such a word really needs a good source.--Loomspicker (talk) 19:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Soul music

Before simply reverting me, could you please try to read and understand the discussion? There was a longstanding wording of the lede. Sluffs made major changes to that text. I've had previous dealings with that editor - positive as well as negative - and hoped that we could work collaboratively. So, I reworded his changes into a more acceptable compromise version. You have now reverted my compromise, back to his wording. If you don't like my compromise, could you not at least revert back to the long-established pre-Sluffs wording? That way, at least you will give equal degrees of annoyance to those of us trying to improve the article, and we can start again. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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You've linked to this from the Mens issues page.[28] But there is currently no such article. I don't know if there was a deletion or if your link was in error, but something needs to be fixed.William Jockusch (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)