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GOCE 2012 Annual Report

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59th NFA Copyedit

Hi. Happy New Year 2013. This is with respect to the copy-editing that you had done for the article 59th National Film Awards. The former FLC candidate was a failure last time because of the prose. In order to correct the issue, we had raised a request to GoCE and you worked on the article wonderfully to fix all the major issue. Since then, we have again nominated article as FLC. However, per the review comments for the current FLC, article still has issues which need to be fixed. I thought I will give you a heads-up, in case we want to reach you for future help. Here is the current nomination. - Vivvt • (Talk) 02:43, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vivvt, it's good to hear from you again. I don't copy-edit 'off-list' any more (personal policy), but I can suggest changes on the review. Good luck with the nomination, I hope it goes well for you, and Happy New Year :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:31, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally dont expect you to edit the article with respect to the FLC. It would be too much to ask for, after your major contribution. However, as you said, I would expect your help or suggestions on the review so that in case reviewer says "oh-this-is-so-wrong-I-cannot-review-at-all", we should have an opinion or two from the "native english speaker" and thats what the reviewers expect. - Vivvt • (Talk) 17:19, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy new year!

	Happy new year!
	May 2013 bring lots of happiness and perhaps a change for the better here on Wikipedia. You're a fine copy editor and among the finest. Maybe one day you'll be interested in guild coordination? I know you'd make a good one. But anyway, here's to the new year —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 03:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you, Mr. Penguin, you flatter me. :-) Re; the Guild, I think I can achieve more at the coalface. ;-) Happy New Year to you too; I hope your reviewing and editing go smoothly. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:20, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Ha, sure! Thanks for the wishes and the same to you. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 13:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Carmen Sandiego

Thankyou once again for your incredible copyedit of the Time article. Wikipedia thanks you, and so do I. A question, if I may: having gone through all the information that was in the article, and sifted through it to keep only the most relevant and important information, I'm sure you can see many coverage holes with the remaining info. Could you possibly tell me what sorts of things I need to add to the article to, as a future goal, send it to FA? P.S. Happy New Year!! :D--Coin945 (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I think you need to expand the existing 'History' and 'Characters and cast' sections - you can probably use a few of the better newspaper articles referenced for this. I'll refer you to the video games article guide which will give you a better idea of the content and organisation of video game articles than I can. You might like to ask for help and advice from a member of the Video Games Project. I'm sorry to have cut out so much material during the c/e, and I know how disheartening it is when that happens. You could think of it as a tree; it needs pruning to keep it strong and healthy! :-)

As you might guess, the article is very far from F.A. standard at the moment; that doesn't mean it can't get there! Hopefully you'll find some suitable sources that will give you the information to really build the article. I'd suggest G.A. as a first target, then steadily improve it for an F.A.nomination. Don't forget you can ask for a Peer Review at any time. I wish you all the best in the world with it; feel free to pop back and ask me if you wish, and I'll try to help if I can. Happy New Year to you too ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou for your response. Yes, I understand that at the moment it seems rather farfetched, but as I said, as a topic that nostalgically resonates with me deeply, an FA is always playing at the back of my mind, and as I said, would be the future goal - the ultimate result. But in reality, I do understand it takes a series of small, hard steps to get there. The pangs in my heart hurt slightly less now :P.... I know the edits were necessary.. but even so... haha I'm sure you know too what it's like to become overly attached to an article. I've pretty much exhausted all the free sources, so I guess I'm gonna have to go behind paywalls to get more info on all that stuff. Thanks for giving me some idea of what I'll need to do. I'll def consult those places if I get stuck. :)--Coin945 (talk) 08:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2013

	Happy New Year 2013
	I wish you a Happy New Year for 2013 :-) AARON• TALK 09:36, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra Copy/edit 1

Hello, Happy New Year.....well I'm glad you are doing fast all the edits. I want you to grab the Priyanka Chopra article for copy/edit as its near the new copy/edit position. You are a great editor and will love your c/e on the article. Grab it when it reaches near. Thanks—PKS:1142 · ^(TALK) 05:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll c/e it if and when it reaches the top of the GOCE queue as it's only fair to work on the oldest requests first. Waiting time is currently about one month - but there's a drive in January so it's possible that someone will grab it first. Cheers and Happy New Year, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

when that drive is starting, as I also want C/e on the list also as I'm going to nominate the list on 14th January. So, before that I want it to be free from GOCE. As, my exam will commence from 1st March. I would be busy with that. I would only return on 25th March as that time, my exam will end. So, then I could start my work on other articles. Hope you understand. Thanks.—PKS:1142 · ^(TALK) 15:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I understand you, as I'm sure you understand me.;-) The drive is a month-long event and is bi-monthly; they usually shorten the waiting time by a few weeks. I hope your exams go well. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, what's your plan. How much work is left on that article on which you are currently working. Priyanka Chopra article is next and you should grab it. Thank you.—PKS:1142 · ^(TALK) 03:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll c/e it if and when it reaches the top of the GOCE queue as it's only fair to work on the oldest requests first. Waiting time is currently about one month - but there's a drive in January so it's possible that someone will grab it first. Cheers and Happy New Year, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra Copy/edit 2

Thanks for taking this on. There are a couple editors (including the one who wrote to you above), who are working on one final section to add. I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but I was hoping they would get it in before you started. Looks like it did not happen. Perhaps when you are done, you can take a look here and here if they do not get it in quickly. Do you think this kind of section is needed, and would it hold up under FA scrutiny? Thanks again. BollyJeff | talk 19:52, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I took a quick look at both proposed versions, and I don't think that material (either version) belongs in the article in its current form. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but what specifically is wrong with it? They will need to know. Also, as you go through the article, let me know if you think it is ready for a FAC, or needs a peer review first. BollyJeff | talk 01:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Mostly poorly-constructed prose, extraneous details, waffle (padding), drifting off-topic, overuse of quotations, original research.... I'd always recommend a PR before nominating for FA; my copy-edit doesn't come with a cast-iron guarantee of a pass and I'm not a FA reviewer. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand some of your editing here. Is it your goal to make the article as short as possible? FA criteria 1a is "its prose is engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard" You seem to be cutting out so much text and leaving short almost bullet-style sentences behind: "She did this. She did that." in short paragraphs. Is this really making it better? BollyJeff | talk 03:27, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to condense and clarify text. Much of this article, especially further down, isn't particularly encylopaedic and reads more like a fan page. I've cut out quite a few quotations that don't help the article, and reduced the amount of waffle. So yes, I am trying to shorten it as much as possible. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I appreciate removing fluff, but was it necessary to replace "mentioned, declared, stated, explained" all with "said"; and "opined, observed, stated, commented, and noted" all with "wrote"? Seems less engaging and more repetitive to me. BollyJeff | talk 04:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is necessary for neutrality reasons; see WP:SAID. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Revision Copy/edit for Priyanka Chopra article

Hey there, please do some last revision edits on priyanka Chopra article as some new infos are included. A quick revision copy/edit would be great. Thank you.—PKS ^(TALK) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Done - Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, for re-copy / edit. Thanks—PKS ^(TALK) 04:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

C3 Picasso

Happy with your work so far =D Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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List of songs recorded by Cheryl Cole

Hi, it's been a while since I've required your services lol. Would you be able to copy-edit the lead of List of songs recorded by Cheryl Cole please? The main concern at it's current FLC is that the prose is not good enough and does not flow. AARON• ^TALK 14:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Aaron, I hope all is well with you :-) Well I don't take direct copy-edit requests any more, but feel free to add it to the GOCE Request page (see page notice); if it reaches the top before somebody else gets it I'll be happy to copy-edit it for you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Don't have much faith in that to be honest. I listed a few articles that spent months there without comment. AARON• ^TALK 01:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

That's understandable; the wait is about 6 weeks at the moment, but it seems like digging up the Sahara with a bucket-and-spade! As you probably know I take the oldest available request there. You could join the Guild if you wish; help us reduce the backlog... :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

If I need help on articles I've worked on, I doubt I'd be much help to others. Lol. AARON• ^TALK 02:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, it was worth a try! :-D I'm off to bed in a bit; good luck with the list. ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

Thanks so much for your efforts. It is very much needed in this article. I would love your thoughts on the other controversies area of the article. Always has been a little goofy to me the way it is set up. Casprings (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your comments; I'll copy-edit first and will see where restructuring might help the article, though it did come to my mind to restructure it a little. Let's see where the c/e takes the article. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help. I think it is a massive improvement to the article. Two questions. Per your suggestion, I added an info box. I wasn't really sure what fit. However, I added the info box from United States elections, 2012. My thoughts were the article is a supporting article to that one, and it is useful to know the results of the election in the article. Do you have any thoughts? The other question is, is there an easy way to put all the citations in the suggested format? Again, thank you for your efforts. Casprings (talk) 07:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Casprings, I'm not sure which would be the best infobox to use here. Infoboxes aren't compulsory, so please don't feel the need to add one just because I suggested it, but I think something that allows users to navigate easily, such as a navbox, would be good. I found a conversion script here, though I've never used it. That said, neither consistent use of {{cite web}} or infoboxes are required by the GA criteria, (see Wikipedia:What the Good article criteria are not) so feel free to ignore me here... ;-) You could mention some of this on the Peer Review, I'm sure more expoerienced editors would know more than I do! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Vienen

Just wanted to say thank you for your copy-edits. They look great!!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 04:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; it was good to have a straightforward article to work on for a change. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Portal 2

Thanks for taking on that massive article. One minor point: Aperture Science is the name of the fictional company, and so should be capitalised. I'm very well acquainted with the game if you have questions about details and Masem isn't around. Cheers. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 21:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Torchiest; I may need to ask some questions about the article at Masem's talk page - feel free to answer if you can (or post here if you'd prefer to keep Masem's talk page free or our discussions). I think this c/e will be like ploughing through treacle (not that I've ever tried ploughing through treacle you understand ;-}), but I'm up for the challenge! Cheers Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

C3 Picasso

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For the tremendous copy editing done and going to the effort of getting back to me quickly with answers to my questions. Thank you! ツ Jenova20 (email) 09:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Jenova, it's been a pleasure working with you. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The pleasure was all mine =D

Have a nice day! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

GA Thanks

This user helped promote Irving Gottesman to good article status.

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for your editorial contributions to Irving Gottesman, which has recently become a GA. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

That's great Tony - thanks for letting me know, and congratulations. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Copy - Edit

Hi there.....well could you please, copy edit the Artistry section of new version of chopra's artistry. Previous one was a kind of fancruft. It is in my sandbox Have a look. I have to add it soon. So, please do it. Since, FAC will be conducted soon. Also, tell me how it has shaped up, a more neutral kind.Prashant  Conversation  06:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Pks; sadly I don't accept direct copy-edit requests, especially not draft versions of text in a sandbox. How has it shaped up? I think it's a little more balanced than the previous version. However, I think its poorly-written, full of spelling and grammatical errors, fails various WP:MOS policies including WP:SAID, some quotations are over-elided and rather than staying on-topic, parts of it wander all over the shop. Why don't you add it to the article for other editors to work on? Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Copyedit of George Herriman

Have a pecan butter tart as thanks for the very thorough copyedit you did on George Herriman!

Bon appetit!

——— Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Aw thank you, that'll keep me going through the next one... *munch munch* :-D Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

I reinstated some, but not all. --Niemti (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

You must do as you see fit, my young apprentice ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Chopra FLC

Hi, I have nominated Chopra's awards and nominations list for FLC. Please, feel free to represent your though on it. The list was successfully reviewed for one month and have improved a lot. I'll be grateful if you can represent your suggestions here...Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Priyanka Chopra/archive2 as fast as you can. Thank You.Prashant  ✉  10:29, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I've left you some comments there. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Please talkback as your issues have been resolved. Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Priyanka Chopra/archive2.Prashant  ✉  04:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've left a few further comments, and struck text where it's been resolved. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Please talkback Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Priyanka Chopra/archive2. Your issues have been addressed.Prashant  ✉  05:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll look in in about 12 hours. By the way, there's no need to keep posting the same message here; just refresh your signature on your original post and I'll get a notification. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thanks again Baffle for another copy edit. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

No worries; good luck with you planned GA nom. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Copy edit

Hey....thanks for grabbing the article. Well I know you'll do a great job. But, please remove the unnecessary infos because many parts talks about her album rather than this song. So, please clean all unneeded infos. Clean it and edit with respect to a song article. Thank you.Prashant  ✉  07:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll do my best, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 09:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I think the introduction is quite messy like when it talks about contract after the line (who provides additional vocals), right after there. Then I think contract section should be removed bcoz that will suit more in the upcoming album & not the song. Then, commercial section and reception is too weak and commercial performance suddenly talks about release in U.S. That should be corrected and I think you should edit whole edit according to how a song article has to be. You could take help of Single ladies or Rehab, the featured song articles. Rest, you are more aware of this. Thank you.Prashant  ✉  16:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add or remove content during the c/e; I don't usually concern myself with adding or removing content unless it's appropriate per WP:MOS, for that way lies madness. I'm a copy-editor; think of me as a vacuum cleaner around your home - I suck.;-) Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Now I'm done with the cleanups....so you can give a nice copy edit to the article. Do it now.Prashant  ✉  18:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Ahem. I'm doing my best; not my fault you don't like the negative reviews. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No...no...the negative review from The Hindu is still there but Bollywood life.com is not notable source. It would not pass GA...thats why and replaced some word with alternatives.Prashant  ✉  19:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I see - no worries; I just replaced the c/e version if you want to change things in Critical reception around. Sorry about the clash of edits. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No, its ok....i may remove that during GA. But, I'm worried about its Music Video section. That should talk about the synopsis of video. But, I'm not getting sources and I have to upload a picture...snapshot of video. You should also check the sources...i think they are quite badly filled. Any idea how to expand the video section.Prashant  ✉  19:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Also could you please correct external links Hesding as perDiamonds (Rihanna song) this. Thank you. Well the song is not released in UK and other markets. It may chart in UK. Till then...the article should be ready. Prashant  ✉  19:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

EL's look fine to me. Done - Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Kodachrome history

The reference to Collins' Story of Kodak is provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.157.96.160 (talk) 23:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll sort the referencing out then. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Sirkazhi - copy edit

Thanks a lot. Ssriram mt (talk) 12:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :-) Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot - i think it is quite upto GA - will renominate. Ssriram mt (talk) 15:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

No worries, but please note that copy-editing doesn't guarantee a pass, so I recommend a peer review before nominating. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thanks for the copy edit on Dishonored including reading sources to correct my language jumbles. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; no worries, and good luck with your planned nomination :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Good Article Promoted

		The Good Article Medal of Merit
		Thank you for your copy edit of Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012. It was part of an effort that resulted in a successful WP:GA review. Casprings (talk) 00:42, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; I'm glad it was promoted. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad, India. GOCE

Hi, lot of thanks for your concern and offer to copy edit Hyderabad, India, and apology for delaying in adding text. In last couple of days I had included text to the section Hyderabad, Landmarks, Please have a look and kindly advice for further requirements. I had also updated to other active editor User:Dwaipayanc here and guiding copy editor User:Stfg here. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Omer, thanks for your update; I'll be happy to copy-edit the article from the GOCE request queue, which currently has a waiting time of around six weeks. I can't advise about further requirements – perhaps an image of one of the landmarks in the text could be added. The text is clear and readable with a few spelling and grammar errors. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Please participate ...

... here. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I've commented over there. I don't see any reason for the removal, I think it comes down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I saw the personal attacks and was quite shocked – I know it's tempting but please try not to respond in kind, and go to WP:ANI if necessary. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will surely keep in mind your advice. :D As for the suggestion, I have to say that frankly I don't know. With all that has been going on lately, I am losing interest in this place just like it happened to me the previous year. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Well I hope you don't let the conflict get you down; do be careful with your comments though, remember to keep things in context. I do think the section is over-wordy, but Aichik is going about fixing that the wrong way – hence my suggestion. Surely there are other, non-Beyonce articles you could work on in the meantime. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks buddy. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Beyonce user talk

Thanks for pointing me to the right section of the talk page. I've responded.--Aichik (talk) 17:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've responded.--Aichik (talk) 19:29, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk page edits

Sorry. I was trying to undo some damage that I thought this guy had done by canvassing for a review against my wishes. Now it seems the fix was the wrong thing to do. I suppose I should have added my comments after his, instead, or just left it alone. I was afraid that reviewers are ignoring my FAC because of this begging. What should I do now? BollyJeff | talk 23:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I think leaving things alone would be the best policy - you aren't responsible for Pks' posts and removing them wasn't a good plan but there's no harm done and we don't need to make a huge issue of it. I'm sorry if my reversions impact on the FAC, but it's not for you to remove his posts without his permission. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Cheers (season 1)

I have an idea: maybe you can blend in the "Season synopsis" and "Cast" into one section. Then rename it "Cast and synopsis". Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 04:51, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I was considering that myself – you must be psychic! :-D I'm breaking off for today, but I'll be back tomorrow and I'll see what i can do then. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead. You can revert, or just copy-edit. --George Ho (talk) 05:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

"Harry wins with four 3s and leaves the bar area and George scolds Coach for making him lose. Coach then leaves."

This is wrong; it should be: "Harry wins with four 3s and leaves the bar area. George scolds Coach for making him lose, and then George leaves." By the way, after you're done with episode summaries, maybe you can double-check for possible errors and typos. --George Ho (talk) 03:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay; thanks for correcting me; I'll have a look through – I usually make a silly error or two somewhere! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

"prompting bar mates to recover ripped pieces of the check and Diane feels guilty for her actions" → "prompting bar mates to recover ripped pieces of the check and Diane to feel guilty for her actions". Forgetting parallel sentences? --George Ho (talk) 04:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Done - ta. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you revert unconstructive edit that you did? --George Ho (talk) 23:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC) (Already done)

Can you change this: "The entire season is set exclusively in the bar, its office and billiard room, and no location filming took place outside the bar until the next season." → "Fictional settings for the whole season are exclusively the bar, its office and billiard room until Diane Chambers's apartment is shown in the next season." However, you can copyedit the bolded sentence. --George Ho (talk) 01:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I've amended the first version. Hope that's OK Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Per Help:List-defined references, I've just fixed it for you. --George Ho (talk) 05:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks George, I wasn't aware of that possibility, and thanks for your help and comments above, it's always good to work co-operatively on articles. :-) Anyway I think I'm done there now; looks like Sam and Diane is next up! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Sam and Diane

Sam Malone and Diane Chambers, also known as Sam and Diane, are fictional characters in the American television series Cheers.

I like the above from prior revision better. Why not "Sam Malone and Diane Chambers, commonly known as Sam and Diane, are fictional characters a couple in the American television series Cheers. I'm not very fond of "Sam and Diane are Sam Malone..." --George Ho (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Just trying to tidy it up; most articles open with something like, "XXXXX is the subject of this article". I'll reverse them for you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

How is "indecisive" better than "will-they-won't-they"? --George Ho (talk) 03:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It's more formal (read encyclopaedic), more compact and doesn't read like a red-top tabloid newspaper, per WP:TONE. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Very sorry if I deleted your entry but as far as I know. all I did was to answer the request I responded to.Do I need to go onto the talk page of the person making the request ? thanks Iztwoz (talk) 15:00, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

No it's fine, you don't need to do anything as I've notified the other editor and hopefully cleared up the confusion. We all make mistakes, don't worry about it. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Pan Am (TV series)

Um... I requested it because I thought it need some editing. However, I'm not the major contributor of this article. Perhaps either stop copyediting that, or... continue. However, I'm not keeping an eye on it for long. --George Ho (talk) 03:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Well I normally honour the requests I accept, so I will continue unless requested otherwise. You wouldn't be the first to make a c/e request then abandon the article, so don't worry about it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra

Since you copy/edited the article, it would be great if you could comment on FAC. Chopra FAC is going very slow. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Priyanka Chopra/archive1. It would be helpful. Thanks.Prashant talk 15:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

The first part of your sentence is exactly the reason why I shouldn't post there, especially since my work has received negative comments on that page. Thanks – but no. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Thank you so much for the great copy-editing work on the Origin of the Romanians and the Vlachs. Best! Codrin.B (talk) 22:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for the pie! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Beyoncé

Thanks for your past input into its GAR status. There is one person who wants to close the assessment now, whereas I think it could still be kept open. Would love your input here. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aichik (talk • contribs) 02:02, 12 March 2013

Sorry but no; I'm not willing to wade into this mess. I don't have the time or the patience and I'm not a seasoned GA reviewer. Please sign your comments on talk pages; I've signed this one for you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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A pie for you!

Thanks for your hard work at Barfi! --Plea$ant 1623 ✉ 15:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ooooh another pie - I'll be well-fed at least! Thank you :-) Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

SheiKra

Hey there! Thanks for starting to copyedit SheiKra! From what it looks like, you haven't made it past the history section. With that, I've been added additional info to the article today and just modified one sentence to the history section that I think you should look over again just for the sake of it, "Superior Rigging & Erection was responsible for the erecting of all the supports and track of SheiKra and by January 28, 2005, the roller coaster's highest track piece was placed along with an evergreen tree."--Dom497 (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dom, thanks for your message; yes I'll look over the History section when I resume the c/e. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for another message, but what's going on with the quote box you added? Can't seem to figure out why it is appearing where it is in the article while it is in a completely different location when editing it.--Dom497 (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I made the quotation smaller because having a full, page-wide quotation of one sentence looked incongruous. I sent it left as there's already an image on the right-hand side of the page; I didn't want them to visually clash. Remove the parameter "align=left" to return it to the right; the template page at Template:Quotebox should clarify this for you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

What I meant was why the quote was appearing under the train sub-section and not the ride experience section as where you placed it. Either way, I have managed to fix it.--Dom497 (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

It looked fine on my screen (SeaMonkey 1.1.18, 1280x1024) and appeared correctly in the appropriate section. I've sometimes had problems with placing text boxes and images; I find the {{clear}} template useful sometimes. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm....probably the way the images were stacked, I had to move them around to fix the problem (for me at least). Anyway, issue is fixed and we can all move on with life! :P --Dom497 (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for adjusting that – I'll probably reformat the article's images to avoid problems with stacking. MOS considerations are at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#How_to_place_an_image. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I might as well tell you now....sorry that I've been editing while your reviewing it....just some sentences weren't flowing/making sense in my head for some reason.....--Dom497 (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

That's ok, sorry for any conflicts, I know they're a PITA, and I accept that my edits don't always flow nicely—but I can only edit what's there and I'm not prone to embellishing text. :-) I'm just doing a quick tidy-up at the mo. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. :) --Dom497 (talk) 23:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Comment removal.

You should keep your comment - [1] - as its valid and well made. --Oakshade (talk) 05:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for saying so; I'll reinstate it. I've been reading NickCochran's SPI and looking at the mentioned accounts' talk pages have noticed that they similarly hide negative comments LenaLeonard here and NickCochrane here. They also both use the same style of archiving past discussions :LenaLeonard here and NickCochrane here. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad in GoCE

Hi, Baffle gab1978. May you please c/e and guide us at the article Hyderabad, India. It was of our misfortune that last time when you proposed for the c/e, we were unfortunately not done prepared and not done with FAC pointed quarries, But currently we addressed all the advice from FAC. Hope you will help us. The article is currently at GOCE. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:19, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Omer, I'll be happy to copy-edit the article when it reaches the top of the list, but another editor might take it first. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Eyeshield 21

Hi Baffle gab1978, thanks to begin doing the copy-edit. If necessary I'll correct your edits. Greetings, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries; Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. About DVDTalk.com... well, I see this source in a GA (YuYu Hakusho), so I think it's reliable. However, it isn't a problem since I can find other sources. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 00:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries; if there are any problems with DVD Talk, the GA reviewer should pick it out, so feel free to re-add it if you need to. You might also wish to ask for a peer review before nominating for GA, but it's up to you. Good luck with it; Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk)

fffhp

Hi, I can understand why this may be considered selected for removal but well.. admin don't fuck about when comes to deleting articles huh? There was no time to make a point on the article's talk page or wherever i was meant to respond to the notice. A blank notice too. I'm a rookie here for sure, but haven't had an issue like this yet and i noticed that you tried to alert me as to why, so I thought I'd ask you a bit about the process, why so quick? there's speedy and then there's speedy! Hillbillyholiday ^talk 00:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Hillbillyholiday81; yes the deleting admin was a little quick! Some types of articles are considered unsuitable for Wikipedia, and can be quickly deleted if they meet certain criteria. NeilTarrant amended the speedy tag on Fffhp to A7: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event): No coverage of this 30 second bit) after I proposed deletion (PROD), which would have given you a week before deletion unless the deletion was contested. The issue we were both concerned about was notability, which requires that a subject has been covered by at least two reliable, third-party sources. If you want to work on the article you can ask an admin to copy the article to your talk page or e-mail it to you; this is called userfying. You should request this at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion; I can't see any reason that they wouldn't comply with your request. Don't let this put you off editing Wikipedia; we all make mistakes! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the pointers, I may return to fffhp if and when anything can be added. Believe me, this won't put me off editing, I'm primarily a content-builder here, I love creating articles that send you off in numerous directions and link to random things. Some might appear unusual or downright rude (see this!) I'm fairly thorough as regards sources and whatnot but I'll admit that I did think that an article entitled fffhp would raise a few eyebrows at least. I do understand why it was deleted, but I could argue that that rule you stated maybe doesn't apply here, as the article was concerned with a creative work (albeit a minor one)..

This criterion applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people, organizations, and individual animals themselves, not to articles about their books, albums, software, or other creative works

Anyway, I bow to your greater experience etc. and soz if i came across rude earlier, i've had a genuine nightmare of a day in real life, and as per have thrown myself headfirst into wikiworld for almost 24hrs straight now! Cheers again Hillbillyholiday ^talk 01:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries; happy editing. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:Ek Tha Tiger

Thanx!Yeah,i am watching.Cheers---zeeyanwiki ^discutez 03:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, Barfi! Passed its GA in first attempt. Thanks for copy editing that article. :)Prashant talk 17:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries, I'm glad it passed. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks a ton.Cheers! ---zeeyanwiki discutez 08:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries, thank you.  ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

SheiKra

Hey there! Just over a month ago I nominated SheiKra for FA status. The review is coming to a stall and since no one opposed or supported it yet, maybe you could be the first to get the review going again by supporting the article (since you did give the article a copyedit and read the entire article) at the review page. Thanks!--Dom497 (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dom, thanks for your invitation to comment on the article's FA review; as you say it's been a month since the c/e and I do a lot of copy-editing and I see you've made lots of edits since then. I'm not a seasoned FA reviewer and because of the c/e I'm an 'involved editor' so i can't support the nom. I've made a null edit to keep the discussion from being closed automatically. Good luck with it; I hope a reviewer takes it on for you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I completely understand...and thanks for the null edit ;) --Dom497 (talk) 22:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Freedom for the Thought That We Hate - FA nomination

• Freedom for the Thought That We Hate

Notifying you because you performed the Guild of Copyeditors copyedit for this article.

Freedom for the Thought That We Hate is currently a candidate for consideration of Featured Article quality status. The discussion page is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom for the Thought That We Hate/archive1.

Thank you for your time, — Cirt (talk) 04:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Egads, that was a while back! Thanks for the notification, and good luck with your nomination, but I'm not an FA reviewer so I don't think I'd have much to take to the discussion. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

The Girl (2012 HBO film)

Hi. Thanks again for the copyedit. A great job as usual. I've put it forward for a peer review as you suggested, and hope to get some good feedback. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries; good luck with it. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI, mentioned you in discussion

FYI, I've mentioned you in discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom for the Thought That We Hate/archive1 due to your recent formatting and copyediting to the article. — Cirt (talk) 04:02, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Noted and read - thanks. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Deletion tags for robots.

Hi there! I was wondering that a page like Mantis the spider robot were to need a speedy deletion, what tag should I put there because there was only one category that could fit into that article was A7 under animals, is there a better tag for articles that have to do with robots, Thanks! PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 00:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion criteria can be found at WP:CSD; please read and understand them before tagging articles. Also it's good practice to read the article's text before selecting a criterion. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thanks very much for all of your help with successfully getting Freedom for the Thought That We Hate to Featured Article quality. I really appreciate the assistance in getting this article about freedom of speech to FA. — Cirt (talk) 23:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Fabulous, thank you. I'm glad to hear the article passed FA. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Barnstars for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	for your bold and constructive editing of Romania in the Early Middle Ages and Origin of the Romanians articles. Have a nice day, a beautiful week, a wonderful month, ..... Borsoka (talk) 18:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and the best to you too ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Fashion

Please, re add my request of fashion copy edit to goce request page as I want an experienced editor to give it a thorough copy edit. Thank You.Prashant! talk 17:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

You can request another copy-edit if you wish, but it would need to be a new request. Replacing it directly would be unfair to other requesters and disrespectful to Nishitpatira, who answered your request and seems to have done a good job. You can't pick and choose which GOCE copy-editor takes your request, but you can ask that an experienced editor takes the request. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

No, didn't copy edited it. Intact, the article was edited by an inexperienced editor (not from GOCE; who is credit thirsty). So, its not my problem. It is unfair to me as the article was near it top position of April request. So, please add it. It was waiting there and if not please, copy edit it yourself as I don't want to place a new request as it was not my fault.Prashant! talk 16:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

As I'm unsure of what to do in this case I have brought this issue to the attention of the lead GOCE coordinator here. If you check the article's history you'll find that Nishipstira did indeed do a copy-edit, marked it done here. I thus archived the request in good faith. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Baffle, and thanks for your help with this (think I caught up with all the threads :-)). I've had problems with this editor since making the mistake of letting him jump the WP:GOCE/REQ queue once or twice. He then seemed to consider me his personal copyeditor, and became irate when I pointed out the unfairness of not waiting his turn. The Requests page does not require copyeditors to belong to the GOCE, stipulating only that WP:FAC articles be copyedited by "experienced editors". An attitude like his (basically, article ownership) will discourage copyeditors; ironically, the edits he criticized (with a personal attack of an edit summary: "WTF! If you do this again it will be your last edit. Dont interfare in my work. I work day and night and you come here to take credit, there are thousand of article which have grammatical error, so correct them. maintain a distance from me.") improved the article. Long story short, don't lose any sleep over this. All the best, Miniapolis 02:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Miniapolis; I've been aware of his ownership issues and tantrums since last year and I try to stay out of his way. I agree with your assessment about this and I'll ignore his request, though I've asked Torchiest (above) for an opinion too. Feel free to restore my deleted text to your talk page; see my edit summary for the reason I removed it. Btw, I hear the sound of a dummy being spat out here... Thanks again, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It's interesting how often editors with ownership issues accuse others of the same; my mom used to say it was the pot calling the kettle black :-). All the best, Miniapolis 12:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Having read through all this, I have to agree. The article can be re-added to the requests page at the bottom. People who fulfill requests are still free to pick any article they want; the list is not a hard and fast rule for the order in which articles must be copy edited anyway. Prashant, you can always ask individuals to help you out, but you should respect their right to decline as well. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 21:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Torchiest, it's appreciated. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello

I really apoligise for all the misunderstanding regarding on Fashion (film), but I was just fixing some grammatical errors and giving gaps in texts for easier reading (Nishitpaitra also did it, but he made some additional mistakes). Prashant said I'm "credit thirsty", but I'm not. I edited that article to boost the article's chances to GA and to help him. But he insulted me in the edit summaries and the talk page. Please warn him not to do this. Regards----Plea$ant 1623 ✉ 08:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You were helping me to boost the article to GA? Who asked any help and that from you (who haven't even any GA to your name). I don't want anyone's help (as GAs are not difficult). So, please don't even think to help as your help is like thorns to me. You are a "credit thirsty" user, who want credit in others work. Don't you ever cross my path.Prashant! talk 14:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Enough is enough. Now you are getting on my nerves.----Plea$ant 1623 ✉ 15:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Stop bad mouthing about me to others. Look in the mirror and decide who was the villain? Don't waste my time. Go and keep asking others to work and expand some articles and take credit as you worked on it.Prashant! talk 19:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

• ENOUGH!!!! Prashant please grow up and stop your ownership behaviour and personal attacks on other editors unless you want another trip the the drama boards. My talk page isn't the place to work out your differences; please argue on your own talk pages unless you're addressing me directly. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	for your fantastic editing of Indian Institute of Planning and Management article. Cheers. Nizil (talk) 08:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; no worries. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 10:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For improving the "You Are the One" article Cambalachero (talk) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

'Twas a pleasure, thank you ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

re Free Speech, "The People's Darling Privilege"

I replied at my user talk page. Thanks again very much for the copyedits, — Cirt (talk) 01:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good, so long as all sources are retained, I always give lots of wide leeway to copyeditors. :) — Cirt (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Nicely done, thanks very much!! — Cirt (talk) 13:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

re Freedom of Expression (McLeod book)

Hi Cirt, I'm beginning the copy-edit you requested to the above article at the GOCE Request page. Please feel free to contact me, and to correct of revert my edits if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks very much! — Cirt (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Ha, I just spotted my typo.... *blush*... No worries; cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the copyedit! — Cirt (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thank you so much for the great work in copy-editing Alba Iulia! Codrin.B (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :-) Oooh strawberries, thank you! Nom nom nom... ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

re Lady Gaga: Queen of Pop

Thanks very much! — Cirt (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

copy-edit

Could you please, copy edit that article today as it is very small and you'll finish it in just a day. Please, I want to take that article to GA status. I'm quite emotional about that film. I want to list as GA on the same day, the film released last month. Please, copy-edit it. Prashant 04:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm currently working on another article, which might take a few days, but I'll do yours after since it's next in the list. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Star Trek: Insurrection

Thanks! Miyagawa (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

GOCE coordinator election

Hi again, Baffle. Judging by the banner at the top of this page it may be a bad time to ask this :-), but I wonder if you'd be interested in being a GOCE coordinator. You've been a great help with behind-the-scenes stuff, and the person doing the work should get the credit. If you're interested, I'd be happy to nominate you; I've been attending new admin school and while I'm leaving the GOCE feet-first only, I'd be leaving this position in good hands. All the best, Miniapolis 01:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Miniapolis; well I'm honoured that you've considered nominating me for the position of coordinator – thank you! As you note from the banner, I'll be a little less active in the next few months but I'll mostly be online daily so I'll still be around and copy-editing. I'll give it a few days' thought if that's ok with you; I'll gen up on the duties involved and while I'm happy to continue archiving and chasing up etc, I'm uncertain (I've no idea actually!) how the drives work since I've never taken part in them. Thanks again for thinking of me, I certainly hope your admin duties won't take you away from the GOCE completely. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Just wanted to jump in and say I think you'd be a great coordinator as well. You already do a lot for the GOCE by essentially running the entire requests page yourself. The biggest differences would probably be providing occasional answers on project talkpages and giving out awards after the drives/blitzes. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 12:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Torchiest :-) I'm wondering how I'd deal with disputes between unhappy editors like the one on my talk page above. I think I could handle the duties you mentioned above though. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Baffle (just got in :-)). Whatever you decide is fine with me. All the best, Miniapolis 20:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Heh, you just try to thread the needle every time, no big deal. ;) On a more serious note, there's also this list which is pretty comprehensive about everything we have to keep up with. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 03:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look at the list. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Miniapolis and Torchiest; I've decided to accept your nomination. I'm sure that if elected, my colleagues will help me get up to speed with the various tasks. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Baffle; I know you'll do a great job (much, if not most, of which you're doing already) and it will be my pleasure to formally nominate you on June 1. On a personal level I appreciate your taking on my position, since my circumstances have changed some since I accepted it (although I'll be delighted to remain active in the GOCE; compared with closing contentious RMs, copyediting is sooo relaxing). All the best, Miniapolis 13:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Aashiqui 2

Thanks. For grabbing the article. I'm happy that the article is finally reached top position. Yes, I'll look to your copy editing.Prashant 04:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Thought I might have had to tackle Hyderabad, India but someone else is doing that one now. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

These two things went wrong during copy edit.

• "bar singer who tells Rahul that she wants to become a singer and idolizes him" ---> "bar singer whom he came to know about her aspiration of becoming a singer and idolizes him."

Explanation: Is not that she herself told him of her dream of becoming singers. As Rahul cames to know about her aspiration when he notices Arohi looking at Lata Mangeshkar's photo in the bar. Then, he assumes himself that she wants to become a singer.

• "Rahul promises to mentor her and transform her into a singing sensation so that she will never have to perform at bars again." ---> "Rahul asks her not to perform at bars again".

Explanation: He was promised her to transform into singing sensation as he was blown away by her voice. Not because of her misery that he promised to do so. He also fell for her like "love at first sight". So, he asked her not to perform again in the bar. Its not that he wanted to transform her as singer because she performs in bar. Please, correct it.Prashant 05:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that; unclear English is sometimes hard for me to interpret and I just make an informed guess at the meanings. Thanks for correcting me, I'll do that tonight. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad GOCE

Hi, would like to seek your advice, as you are monitoring copy editor of the article Hyderabad, India, the main copy editor "Blackmane" is on break, mean while I will appreciate if you can continue the c/e work of the article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Omer, I've return it to the list since it's been over 7 days since his last edit. As you see (above) I'm committed to two articles at the moment, but will get to it after I complete Prashant's request. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I got back from break today and will be taking this article back up. I'll get back in touch with Omer. Cheers. Blackmane (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries; thanks for dropping by to let me know. Just return your name to the GOCE request list – your original timestamp is in hidden text with a note from me which you can delete. Sorry for being a PITA! ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your both prompt action. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

As you are monitoring the c/e review, would like to update you that we are done with GOCE, please let us know if you have any advices. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me Omer, I'd noticed it had been declared done and archived. I'm glad that the copy-edit request was eventually completed. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For copy-editing several of my articles on Wikipedia. You are an amazing editor and a helpful friend. Prashant 11:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Prashant, I do my best ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

re:Bat'leth Copyedit

Thanks for giving it a copyedit. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries; good luck with your planned FA nom. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your copy editing on Batman: Arkham Asylum! Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; I haven't finished yet! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I know! Just letting you know it is much appreciated and that you are doing a fine job! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Tea for the heads up!

Thanks for reminding me about the copy editing job that I failed to complete. Have a great summer! Rinkle gorge (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; no worries and thanks for the update. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Article review request

Stfg (talk) did a GOCE work on James Henry Carpenter, I believe the great work now qualifies the article for a B rating. Would you be so kind to take a look and re-rate the article? Thank you. Jrcrin001 (talk) 07:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jrcrin001, I don't normally review articles, I just copy-edit them to the best of my ability. However I'll have a quick look at it later on. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Done: since it meets all criteria I have promoted the article to B-Class across all relevant projects. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate all that you and the other GOCE members do. Me, I lived in three different language countries while growing up and picked up a spattering of other languages. But, while I was a jack of many, I was a master of none. Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I only do English fairly well and schoolboy French badly. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Operation Summer '95 copyedit

Hi! Thanks for taking up the copyediting assignment. I took a look at your edits and I have no objections to any of those, but I'd like to check with you if order of paragraphs the "Prelude" section is intentional or not. Right now, the first paragraph presents information applying to November 1994 through May 1995, while the second paragraphs switches back to March - November 1994, and the 3rd para discusses November 1994 events. The final paragraph of the section then jumps to 17-22 July 1995. On the other hand, I see a virtue in having the Siege of Bihać introduced early on as a defining factor of the events leading up to the battle itself, so I thought to check this with you (I'm fine with this arrangement too).--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tomobe, thanks for contacting me. I haven't adjusted the order of the paragraphs during my copy-edit, but I agree that it makes sense to have the events in chronological order. Feel free to make any adjustments that you feel are needed; I can always return to that section later. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The article currently uses the words "interdict" (Operation timeline) and "interdicted" (Aftermath). According to the Cambridge dictionary, "interdict" is a noun meaning an legal order prohibiting someone from doing something, or a Catholic Church order preventing someone from taking part is its activities. I'm fairly sure that neither of these are correct for the article. I was about to replace it with "intercept" and "intercepted" as in the header. Is this correct? Thank you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, I consulted Merriam-Webster and found there this as one of meanings of the word: "3a : to destroy, damage, or cut off (as an enemy line of supply) by firepower to stop or hamper an enemy" and this is exactly what I meant to say. Do you think the word should be changed anyway?--Tomobe03 (talk) 08:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for replying and explaining; I hadn't come across it used as a verb before! :-D Now that you've clarified its meaning for me, I don't think it needs changing unless the A-class reviewer objects to it. Thanks again, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for copyediting Operation Tiger (1992) article. I took a look at your edits and it is clear those are a significant improvement of article prose.--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply

I know about quotes but, I added that theme section the previous day seeing your work on the article. I was in hurry, so I added without paraphrasing it. Well, the last Times of India quote is taken from Nikhat Kazmi review (critical reception). Everything is claimed by sources but I would link when you are done with it. Cheers!—Prashant 03:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for replying; I relaise the text was done in a hurry. No hard feelings and sorry for my rant; we're both trying to improve the 'pedia. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I noticed you removed the comparison to Resorvoir Dogs. That was from that Times of India review. I think you should re add that...like While some compared it to Resorvior Dogs noting......it is present in that TOI review. Thanks.—Prashant 03:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

But it isn't in the source that referenced that sentence, and I didn't have a url to check for the Times of India source. I may be a copy-editor but I can't check sources that aren't there. I'll be back on later, right now RL calls. Cya. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators

Not sure if you already have that page on your watchlist, but that's where we discuss newsletters and other organization issues. Cheers. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 02:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Noted and watchlisted; thanks for the heads-up Torchiest. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Could you while you are copy-editing the Oba Chandler article perhaps take a look at these references, and see if you could perhaps convert them into text references or similar. Much appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Which references do you mean? What do you mean by 'text references'? Do you want me to convert them into {{cite web}} or {{cite news}}format? Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for helping copy-editing the Chandler article. Look at the Christopher Wilder article sources 2 and 3 and you will hopefully understand what i mean with text references. Otherwise write again here. There are as you see at the link a few dead references but they can still be OK as text references I assume. (Sorry for not finding a better word for it). Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you want me to convert references using the {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} templates into <ref>Author, title of source, publisher, date</ref> style? That's a lot of work—why would you want me to do that? It's best practice to follow a single citation style throughout the article; this one uses mostly 'cite' templates. See WP:CITEVAR. The dead links might be available at the Internet Archive—have you looked for them there? Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added archive urls to all but one of the deadlinks so they can now be accessed. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for a good copy-edit and the help with the refs. Much appreciated. --BabbaQ (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Wow, what a marvelous job copyediting The Firebrand! Please accept this measly barnstar as my thanks. Keep up the great work -- Wikipedia needs great writers like you more than ever! Ruby 2010/2013 03:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Ruby! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit notice

I had to disable your edit notice: it was preventing editors from leaving messages on the page.—Kww(talk) 18:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Just testing to make sure users can still talk to you with the edit notice restored. What was the problem with it?—Kww(talk) 22:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I used extra templates outside the {{editnotice}} template, which evidently caused problems with some browsers. Having just tested it with my usual SeaMonkey 1.1.18 I found such no problem, so I can only assume it's browser-specific. Thanks for disabling it whilst I was away. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Great Job, as always

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		Thanks for the amazing job you did on GateKeeper (roller coaster)! It's always a pleasure to work with you and you always do a terrific job. All of the articles you have copyedited for me, have gone on to become Good Articles! We really appreciate all the work you do. Astros4477 (Talk) 20:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Astros, no worries. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... great stuff!

Greetings Baffle gab1978. Just passing by to show my appreciation – won't leave you barnstar 'cos I'm slightly allergic to 'em – for the great work you're doing over at Peninsular War, and for your struggle — I use the word knowingly — against waffly text and the great Jabberwock. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 09:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, Technopat; yes it's a struggle but somehow I'm managing it. ;-) I agree about barnstars too, though it's good to have a thanks like yours and some humour sometimes. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

That's one way of de-waffling, but methinks it won't just be the Engvar the Dragon you'll have to watch out for. Let me know if you need another sword (actually I prefer the long-bearded axe) to cover your back. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

That was an error that I reverted, and all the referenced material I've cut wholesale is on the article's talk page. Yes I'd like some help de-waffling; if you can review the cut text from Peace and thereafter and see if you can find something that would be useful in the article I'd be grateful! :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Just skimmed through the text to get the gist, and didn't even get as far as yer Peace and thereafter... i.e., I was simply reading through what you've already de-waffled. Far from getting any de-waffling done myself, have somehow managed to increase the document (+707)‎. Spanish sighs! I won't touch it any more today, so you're free to edit away there to yer heart's content. Regs., --Technopat (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries; thanks for looking, I hope the remaining text makes sense. I'll be back on the waffle trail in few hours. Something's missing from the article; I found nothing about how the war ended, which seems strange considering the amount of text I removed from Peace and thereafter. I might have a look through the old versions to see if something was removed before I got here. What a palaver eh? ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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The Girl in the Fireplace

Thank you for your copy edit in the article. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - no worries. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the copyedit on 1924 Rose Bowl. Its now at FAC. Here's this for your trouble:

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		I award you this Copy Editor's Barnstar for insisting on clear, comprehensible, and grammatically correct articles. Thanks for correcting my terrible writing at 1924 Rose Bowl. Awardgive. Help out with Project Fillmore County 05:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again, - Awardgive. Help out with Project Fillmore County 05:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; no worries. I hope all goes well for you at FAC. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thank you for your copyediting help at The History of British Political Parties, much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 03:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Please see my note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests about the related article, United Kingdom Election Results. Since they're related, might be a good idea to have the same copyeditor for both. Or not. No worries, either way, no big deal. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 04:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Depending on how large the other articles are, I'll grab that one if/when it reaches the top unless someone grabs it first. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good, — Cirt (talk) 18:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

United Kingdom Election Results

• United Kingdom Election Results

Can you re-read the first sentence you rewrote for the Reception section? It seems like a sentence fragment? Doesn't really make sense at present? Perhaps that was a minor oversight? — Cirt (talk) 00:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes it was an oversight; thanks for pointing it out. :-) I've commented on the article talk page too. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll just wait til you're all done. — Cirt (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Peninsular War

Hello, First of all I'd like to congratulate you for the amazing work on that article. Then I just wish to say that Wellesley received his title for the Battle of Talavera. While he was not yet a Duke, he was a Wellington nonetheless. Turgeis (talk) 09:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi and thanks :-) In that case, it's worth mentioning in the article that he was awarded the epithet Wellington while the war was ongoing; otherwise the sudden change from "Wellesley" to "Wellington" could confuse readers. Thanks for your work on the article too; although I've changed a few things I still appreciate your work. Some more info about the ending of the war would be useful. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:13, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I just added some info about that. Turgeis (talk) 05:33, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for working on the article, it's appreciated. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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	You're a really good copy editor -- you're making Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012 much more readable. Thank you! Sue Gardner (talk) 14:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Sue, I'm glad to hear that; it's the second time I've c/ed this article. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw your efforts to copy edit of Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

Just wanted to say thank you!Casprings (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'm still working on it atm, hoping to make it more neutral and balanced. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Gustaf Wilhelm Palm

Thank you for the copy-edit. Much appreciated. —P. S. Burton (talk) 08:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Álmos, Grand Prince of the Magyars

Dear Baffle gab1978, thank you for your competent work. Have a nice day. Borsoka (talk) 04:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I made two minor changes after your edits. I would appreciate if you could take a look at them. Borsoka (talk) 08:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know why you removed the reference to "Simon of Kéza: The Deeds of the Hungarians, n 2 on p. 43", but that's no problem with me. About the other change, I changed "emphasized" to "said" because the latter is neutral—take a look at WP:SAY to see why, although I don't have the sources to tell me whether "emphasized" is more accurate than "said" or "wrote". Other than that, I think it's fine and I'm not going to revert your changes; I appreciate your asking my opinion anyway. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

A wikicookie for copyediting Pure Shores. Brandmeister^talk 10:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you; no worries :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Advice

Hello. I'm not here to directly request a copy-edit from you. But because you copy-edited soap opera articles for me, I was hoping you could give me some advice. I just extensively worked on the article Chloe Mitchell and would like your input; if you could give it a brief look at, do you think it needs an overall copy-edit and I should place a request with the Guild, before I nominate it for GA? Your advice would be greatly appreciated :) Arre 08:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Arre, thanks for asking me. The article looks to be properly referenced, and the references properly formatted. It certainly looks comprehensive and I think you've done a lot of work on it. I think the prose would certainly benefit from a GOCE copy-edit. The GOCE list is about six weeks long at the moment, so you could be waiting a while for copy-edit, but there are several things you can do to improve the article. I see it's undergoing some work at the moment and you might want to wait until SoapFan12 has finished what s/he's doing.

First, you should check the GA criteria and see whether the article complies with those; one you need to pay attention to is 1b; "it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation." I can't see any major violations of WP:MOSFICTION—fictional details, storylines etc are presented in the present tense. However I can see some words to watch, such as "remarked", "explained", "opined", etc; these can be seen as loaded terms and should be replaced with neutral terms, "said", "stated", "wrote", "described" and "according to" per the MOS policy. Then, check that any quotations are accurately used, especially in the "Reception" section, where I often find misused quotations (look for oddly-elided quotations and single or very short quotations and ask yourself why they are there). Replace these with an accurately-elided quotation from the source. Finally, remove any redundancies (I saw "A writer from the website wrote,"—this should be "The website said..."), fix any awkwardly-worded text and any minor errors you may find. You might find a Peer Review useful to help fine-tune the article before nominating for GA. I think that with some work the article should easily meet the GA criteria. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:07, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I am done what I was doing, I was just correcting a sentence. It is Arre's work undergoing, not mine. I just wanted to clarify that. Sorry.  — SoapFan12 ^Talk :) 23:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that, SoapFan; I wasn't sure why the 'Under construction' banner is up there (I removed it then reverted!), I thought you were planning to do some extensive work on it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I am glad that any confusion has dissaperad. Im sorry for that confusion.  — SoapFan12 ^Talk :) 01:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for all of your advice and suggestions, Baffle gab. I've noted everything. I really appreciate it! Arre 05:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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		This barnstar is awarded to Baffle gab1978 for copy editing articles from the Requests page totalling over 15,000 words during the GOCE August 2013 Blitz. Although you did not sign up for the Blitz, your efforts are still appreciated. Thanks! Diannaa (talk) 22:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Diannaa, that's very kind of you ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Sharing is caring

JudyCS (talk) has given you a glass of orange juice! OJ promotes WikiLove and hopefully this glass has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a glass of orange juice, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just someone who looks thirsty. Happy drinking!

Hi Baffle gab1978! My nice, tall, refreshing glass of OJ was exactly what I needed, and it hit the spot magnificently! You looked thirsty, yourself, so I saved you some! You've been slaving away so hard at the Requests, & now that you've embarked on Tara Teng, you could probably use a break to refresh & replenish. I salute you & all your superhuman efforts! JudyCS (talk) 03:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Spread the orange-ness by adding {{WikiOJ}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Mmmm, thank you for your kind words Judy; I'm glad you're feeling refreshed. Thanks for passing the glass back; I need the OJ right now—Tara Teng's waffle makes my mouth feel incredibly dry, so I'll be ready to tackle it again tomorrow. *gulps it down* :-D You're doing a fantastic job too, two done in 24 hours - wow! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Help with page history problem

Can someone please investigate the page histories of List of highest-grossing Indian films worldwide and Ranking of the high-grossing Indian films worldwide (redirect)? There seems to have been some cut/paste moves of the article page from the latter title to the former, and the histories may need to be merged. I don't know how to do this, though I moved successfully the talk page of Ranking... to List of.... I picked this up tonight from CSD, where it was marked for speedy deletion as 'vandalism'. The history showed this is not the case. Thank you. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done Huon (talk) 05:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you so much for the work you've done on Pitfour estate - I really do appreciate it. You have vastly improved it and taken it to a level I could never have achieved; I realise how much hard work copy editing is and have endless admiration for your work. Thank you! SagaciousPhil - Chat 06:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Phil; no worries :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Persecution of Biharis

Thanks for your note. By total coincidence, I was going to finish it today;)--Aichik (talk) 14:43, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, no worries. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for copyediting and improving the United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia and Operation Winter '94 articles. Tomobe03 (talk) 07:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Tomobe03; no worries. ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Shemanski Fountain

Thank you for taking time to review the article. One question so far. Should the following be. "According to the Regional Arts & Culture Council, the fountain is XXX high and has a diameter of..."? --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course it should, thanks for spotting that. :-D I've fixed it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you Baffle gab1978, for your great copy editing work on the Twin towns and sister cities article. Cheers!! :-) Marek.69 talk 15:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Marek, no worries. I'll hopefully finish it tonight. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your copy editing work on the Twin towns and sister cities article. A definite improvement. Great work! -- Marek.69 talk 16:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Marek, that's very nice of you to say so! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Damon Matthew Wise

I am perfectly content if you wish to show AspieNo1 what can be done in my user space or in yours. I think that is an offer no-one could possibly refuse. If you choose mine please feel wholly free to create User:Timtrent/Damon Matthew Wise (example) or whatever similar title you see fit. I suggest a parenthesised suffix to help the original editor see for sure that it is an example. Fiddle Faddle 21:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Timtrent (should I call you Fiddle Faddle?), thanks for getting back to me, I'll do some preliminary work in a few hours. I'll probably use your userspace since you're familiar to AspieNo1; thanks for confirming that it's okay to do so. If there's anything you need to discuss feel free. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I even answer to "oi! you!!". The editor is a hard one to help. He goes off at tangents very easily. I've run out of steam on this one, pretty much. I'm more than grateful for your help. They will be, too, but they will not necessarily express it in a manner you expect. I'll let you judge when and whether to let them know you are having a go. I'm pretty sure Wise is notable, but the fluff and clutter conceal it at every turn.

As you start to play in this pond you might be able to add to this discussion Fiddle Faddle 21:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the conversation. I tried to find references on Google Ireland but to no avail; mostly it came up with forums, blogs, personal networking sites etc. and the Irish Times and RTE articles. I'd expect to find more sources if Wise is notable; that doesn't mean reliable sources aren't out there—it just means I can't find and verify them. I've completed the copy-edit version in your user space; I've done a basic 'condense and clarify' job; there wasn't a huge amount of fluff. I hope AspieNo1 finds it useful, and if it's returned to user space and is accepted by the community I'll be happy to see it back on the GOCE list. Good luck with it; I'll inform Aspie tomorrow, unless you beat me to it! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

To me that looks like an acceptable article that can and should take its chances in article space. It has, however, been deleted at AfD. I'm not entirely certain how one can reintroduce it without an immediate CSD deletion. I think, if you don't mind, I'll let you meet AspieNo1 and show them what s possible. It looks as if you enjoyed it, though it was finicky work. Fiddle Faddle 09:36, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; yes I think the notability seems to be marginal at best, but keep looking out for sources and you never know. Rumer's article got AfD deleted before I found a few refs and rewrote it; now nobody would say she isn't notable. The c/e was simpler than I expected. I'll pop a note on Aspie's talk page, hopefully he'll find it useful. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Wise is on the borderline of notability, I think. I hope he can be tipped into definite notability, but I am not holding my breath. I hope very much our friend finds it useful. He appreciates help, but his brain is rushing ever onwards, I think, and he sometimes misses the obvious. Reminds me of myself in that way! Fiddle Faddle 22:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ... is listed here https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_disability_rights_activists and here: - www.wrongplanet.net/postp2493419.html&highlight=‎ and same kind of Aspies referencing in www.aspiesforfreedom.com › ... › General › Treatment in society‎ and short bio form in a Japanese wiki article: http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Damon_Matthew_Wise someone archived his facebook for referencing: http://archive.is/MCLM4 Also My sandbox contains a backup of the original article, and its chat references and identifies other sources, including some unreferenced articles found in search in search of Irish Newspapers Archive in his born, not his pen-names (work as a journalist is usually not in his own name) and goes back over several but not 30 years of his writing, editing, publishing and broadcasting - some had been found in his archive. Feel free to consult these research sources and add any external reputable sources. As I and others did deeper into the public archives and earlier webpages, before 1999 many websites do not have tags or do not meet current standards are are thus difficult to find either archived or searchable. Has or can anyone search for web backups or archives on autinet.org and Federation-Trust.ORG pre 1999? In an 1999 article on Yahoo! autismlist archive on google, a colleague from previous group (likely AUTINET.ORG - which he conceived and was active on since 1995 refers) to him by name as one of his favourite "Aspies" ... there were many references on Bahai Discuss group on BCCA.org groups about the death of his son - I have a large box full of messages from all over the world from to the news posted on an announcement ... and sometimes media leave out his middle name, I have noticed AspieNo1 (talk) 00:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@AspieNo1: We have some very pedantic rules over people's work as a journalist. Seeing an article by the journalist proves that they exist, so their work as a journalist is verified. That's useful. But it does not make them notable. Our local paper has a most excellent journalist. We can see that he exists, but he is not a notable journalist, just a good one. This means that he should not have a WIkipedia article.

We also have stringent rules for usage of other web sites as sources. I'm sure you have read and understood WP:RS several times. Some web sites pass those rules, others fail. Do not worry about whether a web site meets current standards, nor whether it has tags. Worry instead about whether it passes WP:RS

The thing you must look for is verification that Wise is notable, not that Wise exists. We know he exists.

If your source is a paper item such as a book, that is most definitely a valid reference, but the book must not be by Wise, it must have a section that discusses Wise. A passing mention such as "Wise was also present" is not useful, but a discussion of his work or a notable aspect of his life is. Fiddle Faddle 09:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I know - on his published works there is a webpage which shows a selection of them, but fear as these show them is not attributable; similarly a lot of contents of the online archives show articles by on him which were used in campaigns or public awareness exercise but cannot get them through commons/wikimedia - especially the ones he was writer, editor or publisher of and thus he has given his own rights to reproduce. Just before the article was pulled were discussing online book sellers and catalogues listings referencing his published as writer, editor and publisher various works, which appear in "Whittaker's Books in Print" (which has since changed hands) - such as multiple book reference sites referencing IRECON 4 Guide, Damon Wise and Anny Wise (his mother) - you can see this on the talk page still.

Search on specific points on Google.ie - "Damon Wise" searched with keywords like Autism, autistic, Asperger's, Disability, Star Trek, Sci-Fi fandom, etc shows additional references to his works - on chance of finding details of Star Trek Conferences, IRECON, SLAM and TIMEWARP (at which he filmed an award-winning video of George Takei eating a cake in When Harry Met Sally diner style which after almost 20 years is still being showed) came across the likes of IRECON Conference Guide, such as here: https://www.google.ie/#q=IRECON+Guide+Damon+Wise if you refine his works you can see and correlate between online and hardcopy archived materials and what is maybe or maybe not allowed. I am looking for on-line availability of his works from 1975 to 1999 confirming content from the archives and then discarding most which does not deal with autism, asperger's, disability with exception of Star Trek (90's) and Band Aid Trust (80's) related charity work - even down to a pivotal article in Brighton Evening Argus in September 1988 pleading postmen to take a break in their postal strike for the damage it was having to Sport Aid '88 The Race against Time - as a result was later relaunched as Sport Relief). AspieNo1 (talk) 08:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

As Fiddle Faddle says, Wikipedia has strictly-enforced policies on which sources are acceptable to be used as references. Forum posts, blogs and personal webpages are generally rejected because anybody can write these sources. The exception is self-published sources which can be used in very limited circumstances; for instance where a notable person has said something on his/her personal webpage, facebook page etc. these sources can't be used to claim notability. I encourage you and Fiddle Faddle to keep looking out for material that confirms Wise's notability and I hope you can get the article returned to article space. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Adam Kadmon

Hi, thank you for your help. So.... who is Adam Kadmon? Nobody knows. It is an anonymous person. His or her identity is unknown. He says to call him Adam Kadmon. He writes about conspiracy and develops theories. He writes to radios and tv. He sends his text to them and they read them. Who reads them? On radio it was several years ago, there was an actor's voice that was reading as it was Adam Kadmon. On TV now there is a different actor and this actor speaks with the actor voice (not the voice of the real writer) and this actor is also shown on tv wearing a mask. You can see this actor for example here at 1:03. The author of these words however is anonymous. Nobody seems to know the identity of the source of these theories. So it's far from fiction. This is a real character, however the identity of this character is unknown, we just know this person exist.
I completely agree to remove the paragraph TV Episode list. It doesn't look nice and even if true, these are confirmed only on advertisement on TV, so difficult to confirm by references. So even if they are true, they can't be used on Wiki articles. And furthermoer I think that this should be an article about Adam Kadmon, not about the TV Programme. I think it can be just summarized in a similar sentence: on September 2013 Mistero dedicated 5 programmes to Adam Kadmon and his theories, without describing all of them. However with regards to the rest I think it's better to keep them, they are all well sourced. What I would change is the bias, to make it more neutral. What do you think? --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 09:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pikks, thanks for your message. So I am correct in assuming that Kadmon is a pseudonymous conspiracy theorist who writes for radio and television? That's the first step. Now what is needed are at least two references from two reliable sources in English that I can check to confirm his notability. I've no objections to keeping most of the article providing it is referenced ans makes sense. The AfD is concerned with notability; the rest can be cleaned up later, but I'd rather stubify the article and leave the rest to the community. IMO leaving poorly-written material in the article does our audience a disservice; they are the reasons we write articles, after all. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I've done a preliminary restructuring and text tidy, removed the TV listings and sectioned some text appropriately. I'll have a look tomorrow and see what more can be done to it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi thank you. I have also removed some text that I think wasn't not important and it was probably biased. I'll check some sources and I'll let you know. --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 08:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm back again. Here are some sources in English: here and also here and here (this source is not in the Article yet) --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 22:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Pikks, thanks for posting the English references and for cutting the text back. I've checked the first two already. The second (New York Times) and third only have single, trivial mentions of Kadmon; we can use the information but not to verify notability, though the first is suitable for that. Of course I haven't yet checked the Italian sources; I'll have to use autotranslation because I don't know Italian. I'll see what I can find later. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

If you need me to translate some specific, important sentences to you, let me know. Regards, --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 09:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer, Pikks. ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion decline

As the deletion tag instructions state, the criterion applies equally to any page that carries a WP:AfC template – as this one does (which is how I found the page in Category:Declined AfC submissions in the first place). I won't revert your removal of the tag, but I feel that I should at least point this out. SuperMarioMan 01:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi SuperMarioMan; you're correct and i didn't see that part of the criterion. I've self-reverted. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:18, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For your copy edit on Alphonse Elric. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Gabriel, it's appreciated. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the copyedit. The section "strong generation" had sources in the rest of the article and into itself because had links to another articles... Rauzaruku (talk) 11:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I didn't see any inline citations so I removed the section per WP:BLP and WP:OR. Wikilinks to other articles do not count as references and Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references; see WP:CIRCULAR. If you replace the section, please make it obvious where the material comes from; reviewers, editors and readers shouldn't have to guess which source has been used. Good articles must adhere to the BLP policy. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for copy editing

It's also (actually much more in many cases) needed in many other similar articles.[2] --Niemti (talk) 07:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't quite understand what you're saying; can you please explain your message? Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That you've been copy-editing Kasumi's and you can do this with some of the rest of them? I guess I forgot "needed". --Niemti (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand now; thank you for explaining. :-) I'm working on Kasumi (Dead or Alive) for Gabriel Yuji, who requested a c/e here because he wants to take it to GA standard. Feel free to request copy-edits there, but it might take a while and someone else may accept your request. I don't accept direct requests for copy-editing. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice your tag

Sorry for that. --Niemti (talk) 21:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll remove the GOCE from the whole article so you know which section I'm editing ("Film version" at the moment). Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Would be cool if you looked into the article about arguably one of the best novels of this generation. --Niemti (talk) 20:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Didn't you read my page notice? Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion continued here per WP:Drama. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For your copyediting help with Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties. Thank you for providing such helpful copyediting services to the Wikipedia community. — Cirt (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries Cirt; thank you. ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You're most welcome, — Cirt (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Molecular Diagnostics

Hi,

Thanks for the kind words :).

I wasn't planning to expand the factual content of Molecular diagnostics, although perhaps add a picture and fix a few typos that were annoying me. I have a minor ambition to bring it up to GA status.

Agreed, it needs a bit more explanation to bring it up to lay comprehension (as you mentioned elsewhere) and a completely lay author might be best to do that. (My own background is in bioinformatics, so I can find my way around the literature but I'm no expert).

BTW, as a separate question and not relevant to this article, when is it OK for an article *not* to be comprehensible to lay people? I've seen some articles about particular genes or polymorphisms carry a note at the top saying "For a basic introduction to nucleic acid and genetics, see ...", and then take a basic grounding for granted.

Yes, I'd be delighted to join GOCE.

Cheers,

Ian Ian McDonald (talk) 08:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ian, thanks for your reply, for letting us know your intentions for the article, and your excellent work on it too. I think our possible direction with the GOCE copy-edit is a little clearer now; I think we should accept the request. With regard to comprehensibility, we introduce and explain the subject in the lead (or header) section in general terms, then cover the technical intricacies in the article's text. Phallus (fungus) is a good article and has a brief explanation in general term without explaining fungi, then goes into specifics in the body text. So it's absolutely fine to have specialist terminology in the body, but we try and keep the lead section as accessible as possible. I hope that's a reasonable answer anyway; my knowledge of theManual of Style isn't all it could be!

Welcome to the GOCE; it's good to have you aboard; happy copy-editing. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand. May I ask for feedback on Molecular diagnostics as it stands now? Ian McDonald (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ian; I think it's much improved; I can understand what the article is about without feeling swamped by technical vocabulary. Having said that there are some problems to fix:

• I spotted a semantic error in the second sentence of the lead though; "It analyses..." --> "It is used to analysle..." (it cannot analyse anything on its own).
• The article should use dashes and not hyphens to separate dependent clauses per WP:DASHES. Section titles should be in sentence case (one capital) except where proper nouns are used, per WP:SECTIONCAPS.
• Most of the single-sentence paragraphs, especially towards the end of the article, should be merged into larger paragraphs where it makes sense to do so.

I won't bore you with a long list of errors, which should be fixed in the copy-edit anyway. You can request a peer review which should help you prepare it for GA nomination. I think it's a huge improvement on what was there before; you've done a splendid job, but I don't think it's quite ready for GA nomination yet. Nice work! ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project

Thanks for your copyedits to the page. They have vastly improved its readability!

Note though that I have changed the sentence:

Since the first millennium BCE, trade across the India-Sri Lanka divide has been limited to small boats and dinghies.

back to its previous form:

Though trade across the India-Sri Lanka divide has been active since at least the first millennium BCE, it has been been limited to small boats and dinghies.

since the former could have been interpreted to imply (or, at least, allow) that before first millennium BCE trade had not been limited to small boats etc. This would have been a implausible interpretation in most contexts, but in light of claims by some religious and political groups that the Adam's Bridge is not a geological feature, but constructed by Rama's army sometime in that era, the sentence was likely to be misread. Of course, feel free to tweak the sentence further to improve its structure and clarity. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: Coincidentally, a few hours before you began copy-editing the article, I removed a proposed-merger tag from the page as "stale", since it had been languishing there since Feb 2012. However, looking at the two articles (Sethusamudram and Sethu Canal) that were proposed to be merged into Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project, such a consolidation would make a lot of sense. Could you take up that task when you resume copy editing? Please let me know if I can be of any help. I plan to otherwise stay off those pages till your work is completed in order to prevent edit-conflicts or cross-purpose editing. Abecedare (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Abecedare, no worries. Thanks for changing that sentence back, I can see how my version might be confusing or be misread in the context of religions beliefs. I suppose with this kind of article I'm bound to upset someone! I hope nobody interprets my standaridising of the feature's names to "Adam's Bridge"; since this is English WP I think that would be appropriate and hopefully unbiased. If there's a problem with that let me know and hopefully I can work around it.Regarding the proposed mergers, Yes I'll have a look and see what can be done but I'd like to get the Canal project article into better shape before I do that; then I can see better where text might be best merged to. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I decided not to merge these articles. Sethu Canal was completely unreferenced and was about the same project, so I've redirected it to the main title. Sethusamudram is about the sea between India and Sri Lanka and was likewise completely unreferenced so I've removed most of the text per WP:OR and tidied it up. I hope that's okay for you; i'm now done with the copy-edit. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Baffle gab1978 for copyediting . I would like to make some points:

• its ok that you merged Sethu Canal and Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project..I even suggest to merge Sethusamudram too. It is stated in the article that it is a name of Sea but in reality there is no such officially or unofficially named sea. Palk Strait is a name of strait between India and Sri Lanka. It is a name of project itself. I searched for name of it on Maps and other place but except name of project it is not anywhere. So I would suggest to merge Sethusamudram as well. Official site is named sethusamdram.gov.in as it is a name of project.
• There is a section on Environmental issue on Talk page which was moved due to unreferenced. Should be moved and merged in article?
• Rename: I suggest renaming it to Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project as official government website names it that way. See website. We can go for community consensus if required.

Overall well done..for copyediting.. -Nizil (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Nizil; I've redirected Sethusamudram to the article per your information. I've returned the old 'Environmental' section to the article, currently hidden for copy-editing. I'll see what i can use of it without it dominating the article or other problems. Regarding renaming the article, I have no objections to that and I think seeking consensus would be a good idea. Generally we should use the most commonly used name in reliable, third-party, English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME. As a compromise you could make a redirect at Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for addressing my concerns.. I will go for community consensus for renaming. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 08:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Mai Shiranui

It's started already. Think it's time for a blacklist :-). All the best, Miniapolis 00:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm done with that article after Niemti deliberately (I'm pretty sure) caused an edit conflict. If you search them on the boards, they have a very interesting history (including disrupting the GA process) and problems with the video-game articles. Seems like they're trolling over there, derailing (or trying to) Gabriel Yuji's potential GAs. Too bad. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 02:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear; well I hope it wasn't an entirely wasted effort for you anyway. Yes it's a shame s/he seems to follow Gabriel around. Niemti seems to specialise in Japanese video game articles; quite what s/he's trying to achieve by being disruptive is beyond me. Maybe next time I encounter him/her negatively I'll say something on the boards but I'm not sure that would achieve anything. At least it might test the length of the rope... Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Baffle, but don't waste your time and energy; Niemti has had an RFC/U and a proposed topic/site ban, but it's just another example of the community's too-high tolerance for tendentious, disruptive editing. FWIW, I'll never copyedit another video-game article because of them. Life is too short to deal with such a timesucking editor, and you did try to warn me :-). All the best, Miniapolis 20:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's an impressive record; I hadn't done any checking so thank you for those links. S/he might find her/himself at AN/I If I get more pointless wikilawyering and ownership behaviour and I'll quite happily use those as evidence of past disruption. I quite understand your statement re: video game articles; unfortunately your avoidance of her/his subject area is probably what s/he probably wants. We'll see what happens if or when I take up the outstanding c/e request, but I can think of more productive ways to spend my time than arguing with an inveterate arguer—I'm sure you know the one about wrestling with pigs! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was Kylie Jenner with a big pair of balls there for a moment!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for copyediting the Constitution of May 3, 1791 article. I wonder if it would pass FAC now...?

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I think it might if the outstanding maintenance tags I added are dealt with. It's certainly comprehensive enough; perhaps a Peer review might be worthwhile. Good luck with your nomination anyway. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

COPYEDIT

Hi, can you've a look at List of awards and nominations received by Vidya Balan, as I think it needs copyedit (only lead). I want to nominate it for FL but before nominating it I want the article to meet FL criteria. It may not take much time, only lead section, Please. —FRANKY! 21:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

No. Please read my page notice above the edit window and the text at the top of this page—it's not there for decoration. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:05, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

GOCE Blitz wrap-up; join us for the November drive

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FAC

Given your help doing a copyedit, wonder if you could drop by Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Black Ice (album)/archive1. Thanks. igordebraga ≠ 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't do reviews for FA, so I won't comment there.. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. Maybe I'll talk to you they ask some extensive cleanup again. igordebraga ≠ 11:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Aww thank you for your assistance with the articles. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries ;-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

;-). But I have to question if Miniapolis really finished the job on Anna Lindhs article. It seems like not much was done or improved. But anyway have a nice day.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for Miniapolis but it seems to me she did a fine and thorough job on the article; check the diffs. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

A belated thanks

Hi there. I forgot to thank you for copy-editing Andreas Tegström's article - I really appreciate it. I also have one minor question, you corrected "semifinal" to "semi-final" - what is the difference, are "semi-final" the correct spelling, or can both be used in different varieties of English? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 10:12, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; as far as I know neither version is "correct" or "preferred", but I think "semi-final" is more common in British English than the US variety; it's the version the BBC uses anyway here etc. It's the version I'm used to seeing, like "north-west" (British) as opposed to "northwest" (US), and I probably changed it because the article uses the British date format (dmy). Feel free to change it if you prefer "semifinal". Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. I don't prefer it one way or another, but as a non-English speaker I'm eager to learn the difference between stuff like that. And since football is an "English" sport, I guess it is natural to use British English in the articles. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 22:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Lloyds Banking Group

Thank you! Cloudbound (talk) 23:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Majin Tantei Nōgami Neuro

Thank you very much again for your copy edit! Gabriel Yuji (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Andranik

I'm very thankful for your edits, but can you please not change the layout of the article? Maybe we have different monitors, but the way the article was set up was perfect.--Երևանցի ^talk 03:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Which aspect isn't displaying properly on your screen? Mine's 1208x1204, but the article should display properly on all monitors. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't display properly on mine, which is 1600x900. Adding {{clear}} at the end of sections creates unnecessary white space. --Երևանցի ^talk 04:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

OK I'll reset mine and have a look. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Also, "Awards" section always goes at the bottom. You can take a look at some military people's articles, such as Douglas MacArthur (an FA). --Երևանցի ^talk 04:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I see what you mean; some images overhang their sections;I'll have a play with them. I'll move the Awards section back to the end. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Why have you changed the dates to dmy? I started changing them back because i thought I'd missed some—I'll change them to dmy but if an article is in American English it should be mdy, per WP:MOSNUM. I'm putting 'upright=0.75' in the upright imgages, which seems to be working. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I think I've fixed the images; the only one I couldn't do without using 'clear' is the one in "Death", so I've made that a little smaller; I hope it looks good to you now—my monitor is 1:1.3 so it looks awful in 1600x900. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Homeostasis

Hi - I Noticed that you put a 'confused' tag in the Homeostasis article, but didn't tag any sections or list any points for attention on the Talk page. I think it's an important topic and I'm up for improving it as necessary. Could you please give some pointers as to what you think is most in need of clarification? Thanks DaveApter (talk) 13:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dave, thanks for your message; well done for improving the article. I added the tag because I think the prose is generally over-wordy, in parts unnecessarily technical and generally needs simplifying. One example; in the sixth paragraph of 'Biological', we find:

"Another homeostatic regulation occurs in the gut. Homeostasis of the gut is not fully understood but it is believed that Toll-like receptor (TLR) expression profiles contribute to it. Intestinal epithelial cells exhibit important factors that contribute to homeostasis: 1) They have different cellular distribution of TLR's compared to the normal gut mucosa. An example of this is how TLR5 (activated by flagellin) can redistribute to the basolateral membrane, which is the perfect place where flagellin can be detected.[11] 2) The enterocytes express high levels of TLR inhibitor Toll-interacting protein (TOLLIP). TOLLIP is a human gene that is a part of the innate immune system and is highest in a healthy gut; it correlates to luminal bacterial load.[11] ..."

I know that technical terms are important but non-expert readers shouldn't need a degree in biology to get the general idea of what's being said. Removing some of the waffle (redundant text etc) might help to clear a path through the forest of words; good luck with improving the article. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I think we are broadly in agreement and I'll carry on tidying up the article. DaveApter (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; feel free to remove the tag whenever you feel the need. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank u for finishing the copy-edit of Santosh Subramaniam in such a short time. Ur work is indeed appreciated. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 04:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Trichy

Hi Baffle gab, thanks for starting the c/e. Since I wish to take the article to FAC, the prose should be engaging. Thanks once again. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll do my best. It's an interesting article so it should be OK. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. I'll be adding some more stuff to the article, be sure to check it again. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For the copyedit of the article "Graduados" Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Meera

So I'll change my aim from expansion to trimming. Because the Indian cinema taskforce is so unresponsive, I'll do one thing: I'll add maximum content from the sources into the sections and ask the GOCE to cut down the content. Is that acceptable? ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 05:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash, thanks for replying. Yes that will be fine; we can c/e whatever text is currently in the article. It's usually best to expand the article before copy-editing commences, especially if you're planning to raise the quality to GA or FA standards. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my actions were illegal. Because there is no way I can merge and blend content from those sources so that is why I pasted whole contents and requested someone to trim them down and rewrite them. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 08:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Then ask someone who can; there are plenty of skilled writers on Wikipedia who may be willing to help. You can't expect our copy-editors to write the article for you; I've already explained that we don't do that sort of thing in a copy-edit. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Principality of Nitra

Dear Baffle gab1978, thank you for your bold copyediting of the article. Have a nice day. Borsoka (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Homeostasis

Hi - do you think the changes I've made to the Homeostasis article have clarified it to the point that the 'confusing' tag could be removed? Any further suggestions for improvement would be welcomed. Thanks DaveApter (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dave, I've done a quick copy-edit to the header and I've removed the tag. The header should present a generalised overview of the subject; specifics are dealt with in the article's body, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 15:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

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Gemini (2002 Tamil film) c/e

Hey! Thanks for copyediting the article. I have listed some issues with the same.

• In the second para of the lead section: though the actor's full name is Ajith Kumar, he is mononymously known as Ajith. Is it okay using Ajith instead of Kumar? In Indian context, we don't usually use second name as against Western culture.
• May I know why the character description is extraneous in cast section?. Even the description for characters not even mentioned in the plot has been removed. I'm not that experienced. I saw some FAs for reference which have character description and even casting choices in the 'Cast' section
• Vinu Chakravarthy isn't unnamed. His name doesn't pop up much during the film. So, I'm unable to remember it. Will be filling in his name the next time I catch the film on TV. So, may I suggest removing the 'unnamed' thingy? The same applies with Ilavarasu. I just can't recall his name.

Thanks again. -- Sriram ^{speak up} 02:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sriram, thanks for your reply; I'm not familiar with this film so thank you for clarifying things. Much of the character descriptions in 'Cast' are in the plot section and are thus repeated information; I've no objection if you want to revert my edits to that section. Chakravarthy and Ilavarasu's character names might be listed on the IMDB or elsewhere; just having the actors' names infers that there isn't one. I'll do some more work on it later and I'll remove/correct these points then. Thanks again for clarifying. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 08:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if it is extraneous to repeat them. When I thought of adding description to the supporting actors who aren't mentioned in the plot, I realised adding for them alone will make the section look biased. So ended up adding for everyone. And please don't crosscheck with IMDb. They have messed up by confusing between the Tamil and Telugu versions, trying to have a combined page for both though the film was remade and not dubbed. Thanks. -- Sriram ^{speak up} 10:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

• I've abandoned the copy-edit; see your talk page. I reverted the cast section to the old version as you requested above. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm.. Thats bad. Thanks anyway. -- Sriram ^{speak up} 18:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

OOPS! Sry, I just started without checking the history. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

That's okay Chaosdruid; it was my fault for not marking the request working. I don't take part in the drives anyway so I'm not worried who c/e'd it. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I need a minor clarification. If I want a second copyedit, should I again make a request at GOCE or can I just ask the original copyeditor directly? Thanks in advance. -- Sriram ^{speak up} 16:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sriram; it depends whether the original copy-editor is willing; some will happily do a c/e by direct request and some won't (me!). You can always re-add the request to the GOCE page but there's a long wait at the moment. If you're adding content to the article, it might be a good idea to wait until that's finished before re-requesting; it's pointless doing a copy-edit whilst the article's still in development. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks dude. The first time I made a request was for the GA review. But due to the huge backlog, it only happened before the FAC! -- Sriram ^{speak up} 02:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Gopichand Lagadapati

Thank you so much for giving your valuable time. Thanks will fall short for your precious time.I am contacting the news channels and magazines to provide me with the interviews that Mr.Lagadapati has given back then ( Referring to the period 2001- 2007 ). Will take a month or two to provide links to citations as uploading programs over the internet were far less back then.With at most respect I have to say you are copy editing exactly the way it has to be . I will provide supporting links for every citation mentioned with time as I will take time to retrieve and also to upload them.Hope you understand. With Respect , Thanks Rock (talk) 16:10 , 27 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; you can always request another copy-edit when you're ready. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :) ,Love & Peace Rock (talk) 18:24 , 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much Baffle gab1978 .Its simple & crisp . :) How do I get in touch with you. Its not about articles .I personally feel happy and would like to keep in touch with people who have an understanding for work.Love & Peace Rock (talk) 2:10 , 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries Rock; thanks for your reply. I don't have e-mail enabled and I prefer to keep my wikilife separate from my other online activities. You can always post here on my talk page, or you can usually find me lurking around at the Guild. It's always good to know that our work helps improve articles on WP. :-) Thanks again and happy editing, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Baffle gab1978! Thanks for copy-editing La Luz del Mundo. Ajax F¡ore_talk 16:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

List of mountain ranges

Thanks for taking the time to copy edit this. The confused section is much improved. -Arb. (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

And while we're at it, let's not forget you work on Hedonism Resorts back in November 2012. -Arb. (talk) 10:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'd forgotten about Hedonism. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 07:02, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind ...

... but I saw your entry in the table saying you were willing to stand again, and went ahead and nominated you. Hope I wasn't too quick. --Stfg (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That's no problem, Simon, thank you for doing that. I'm happy to continue looking after the requests list for the next six months. If there are any other areas that need attention, feel free to give me a nudge. I've been busy in my darkroom this morning so haven't logged in for a while... Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 07:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Meera c/e

If u have a heart (I know u do), please try to expand and c/e only one section in Meera (the filming section), taking info from this site only. After that, the article can be removed from the GOCE list. Meanwhile, Mullum Malarum (another GOCE nominee) is all ready for going through a c/e and the next step is GA nomination. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash29792; no to all of the above. I'll happily accept your GOCE requests when the articles are expanded, stable and reach at the top. There's no point us copy-editing unstable articles or ones that are actively being expanded. I don't normally expand articles unless the subject area particularly interests me; Indian cinema isn't one of those subjects. I've said before that I don't accept direct requests for copy-editing. There is a very good reason for this, and if I make exceptions for one person I'll never hear the end of it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Tiruchirappalli

Hi, one of the reviewers is feeling that the 2nd–4th paras of "Early and medieval history" section should be re-written. If you gave time, can you make some minor c/e without changing the meaning of the text. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I gave time. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Another beer for you!

Thank you for working on the ANZAC Mounted Division article. Always impressed by the work the Guild does and I appreciate you taking the time. Drink up and Cheers! Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jim, you're welcome; it's an interesting and well-researched article and deserved to be a GA. :-) Good luck and cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for copyediting the Battle of the Barracks article. I appreciate your time and effort very much. Cheers! Tomobe03 (talk) 12:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, no worries. I'm still working on it, should be finished in a couple of days. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, thank you very much for copyediting the 1991 Yugoslav campaign in Croatia. Your input really shows, improving general readability of the article- Cheers!--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to Daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei

Hi, thanks for completing the copy edits to the article. As for this edit, I thought that though she was replaced with another the next day, she did not reign for a day, and it would be important to emphasize that she was deposed a few hours later. What is your opinion on this? --Huang (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Fair point; thanks for clarifying. I'll amend the article. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet

• Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet

Just a heads up there was a previous copyedit there by Lamercer but of course I'd appreciate another copyedit from someone as experienced as yourself!

— Cirt (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt; I thought Lamercer missed a lot of issues and he also didn't mark the request on the requests page; I only realised what he'd done when I viewed the article's history. Ah well, 'tis done anyway. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

So you'll go on to finish a complete copyedit? — Cirt (talk) 03:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've now completed the copy-edit. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Finished Vedaranyam March copy edit...

...but left EngvarB tag. Please check it. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheers, Shir-El too 12:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Shir-El; I spotted a few errors which I'll fix, but you've done a good job on the article and it's a definite improvement. EngvarB is fine; I'd normally use Template:Use Indian English unless otherwise directed. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Baffle gab1978, first of all I cannot stop myself from appreciating your patience and enthusiasm. This is my first GA under this topic, so is the incoherence. It looks much better now! Thanks very much :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 04:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries; happy to help. Good luck with your GA nomination, and happy new year. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you fully done with the article? Happy new year :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 07:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, unless there's something else you need me to do. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Peter, King of Hungary

Peter, King of Hungary is listed at the GOCE and even though it has a "working" tag, no action seems to have taken place in the past few days. Please request someone to finish it, (I do not know what happened to Lamercer) bcos it is stopping my article from receiving a CE. -- Kailash29792 (talk) 09:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash, I'm well aware of this delay and I'll be prompting Lamercer to start work on it very soon. He hasn't edited since 25th December. If there's no action in seven further days I'll strike his acceptance and open the request again. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 14:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)