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Saying Hi
Hi there! I read your comment on the LGBT project page, and I just wanted to say welcome and I am sorry you feel excluded. If you ever need any help on Wiki, please feel free to call upon me. If I can do anything--even if it's just giving you support--I will be happy to do so. Jeffpw11:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I second this. Also, I am going to create a separate Bisexual infobox, different to the generic LGBT one; would you mind creating a Transgender one if you can? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 06:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll be quite happy to create it, but I probably won't get to it until around xmas/new year. My life in the real world will slow down a little when I take holidays. :) --AliceJMarkham02:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
...It doesn't, so far as I am aware. I've just tried it and it works fine. How strange. Good job on the template though, we have a full set now. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I just tried it again and it's broken for me. I'm talking about the little edit link in the bottom right corner of the template itself, not the edit this page button at the top. --AliceJMarkham21:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Slang terms are rarely globally used. We could delete all slang, but that would make for a much dryer WP. I could find a reference for Australian Cleavage but there are more important things I should be doing. As a compromise, I moved neathage to the first term. H Bruthzoo19:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for that. If you've read my user page, you'll realise that with effort and time, you could be as weird as I am. :) --AliceJMarkham21:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL. I did wander around your user page, subpages and linked articles before I responded. I'm still quite confident that I'm weirder. I'm resisting the temptation to add an external link to my user page - there are photos that show more than the ones in hip and buttock padding. :)
Nuh uh. I'm a freak for real. I'm Bipolar, Biracial, Bisexual, and fall right down the middle of that four-box masculine-feminine test. I was born on Beltaine, my boyfriend has more tats than most people can imagine, my (long distance) "girlfriend" is pierced and tatted.
January 15 was Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the United States. It became a Federal Holiday back in the early nineties, I believe. This year, Dr. King's wife died (back in January of 2006), so I decided to highlight quotations from her instead of Dr. King.
It's a very important holiday to me. I was fairly unhappy that I had to work that day, though I love my job. The fact that it's a Federal holiday at all is momentous. I remember there were debates on it - Arizona refused to recognize it at the time. Now that Coretta Scott King has passed, I simply call it King day.
I'll try to do some clean up of Calpernia Addams soon. She is a remarkable woman. If you ever have a chance, get the DVD of Soldier's Girl and listen to her commentary. She's a courageous, insightful, and interesting person to know about (plus the movie is so romantic - Troy Garity is a dreamboat!). NinaOdell | Talk13:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If that's your inclination, I don't see anything wrong with it. :) Personally, I don't find males (including my own alter-ego) attractive. --AliceJMarkham02:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I have several inclinations. Men are hot. Men in skirts with makeup are even hotter. That's not a come-on, just stating an opinion (see, I told you I'm weirder than you!:) ).
I've done a fairly massive copyedit on Calpernia Addams, and I'll do more to clean up the English a bit. I hope she sees it someday and likes her article. Check it out sometime and let me know what you think. Cheers and cherry blossoms, NinaOdell | Talk14:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Your help needed
Hey, Alice, we're having a discussion on categories at Portal:LGBT/Categories, and Ganymeade says that the term "Transgender" should not be used as a noun. I have no knowledge of Transgender argot, so it would be good if you could weigh in on this. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Template:Transgender footer
Re: {{Transgender footer}}, great job! I've added some extra topics that I feel are related and important enough to be in the template. Please review them and feel free to revert or remove some. WjBscribe07:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
DavidShankBone deserves kudos for his current drive to provide quality LGBT photos from the NYC area. One of the more recent photos is posted on Michael Musto, and you can check out the gallery on David's user page.
Project News
There is now the beginning of a list of core topics to possibly be included in the Wikipedia 1.0 release. Your suggestions are welcome; there may be many core LGBT topics still missing.
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The number of articles within our project's spectrum (6,667 currently) should now be relatively stable and only grow with article creation. However, if you find a category that should be included, please let SatyrTN know so it can be included in the bots runs.
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Duh! Thanks for catching my blatant error :) How embarrassing. Serves me right for copy/pasting the header above. Thanks again - Alison☺00:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
A taskforce dealing with LGBT publications has been proposed. If you are interested in getting involved, consider signing up at the projects' page.
Our core topics list is looking good. It's still a bit slim on LGBT history articles, non-American LGBT media, and important LGBT biographies. Do you have suggestions?
David Shankbone has done an amazing job taking photographs of LGBT celebrities. Thanks David! People interested in collaborating with him and setting up a photography taskforce should contact him or drop a note at the project's talkpage.
The LGBT Portal still needs a bit of love and attention :-). Again, any good quality (free) photos you come across on LGBT articles can be added to the gallery here. Volunteers to help out with the Portal are extremely welcome- make yourselves known on the Portal's talkpage. Updates to the current news items are helpful.
Deputy coordinator elections
WikiProject LGBT studies is looking for new Deputy Coordinators to help out with various essential tasks in organising the project. To nominate yourself or contribute to the discussion, please go to: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Coordinator/May 2007. The deadline for nominations is May 5 and the elections will last a week after that.
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Not really sure why you took that pic I added as offensive. Could you please explain? That link didn't add anything. As I usually do I found a pic while browsing thought it might add something to the article and added it. AGF btw. Quadzilla9908:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
genderfuck, as illustrated in the photograph that you added to the article on cross-dressing, is where a person deliberately mixes both masculine and feminine to present a deliberately contradictory image. In this particular image, the main masculine gender cue is the hairy arm placed conspicuously centrally to the image to emphasise (probably not consciously) the fact that the subject isn't really female. The visible beard shadow and the fact that the edge of the wig is clearly discernable across the forehead also make the image of poor quality for the illustration of that article. --AliceJMarkham09:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
If you feel that way I'm not going to fight you, I'm not very familiar with the whole midset surrounding this. It's a man dressed up as woman, that's a cross-dresser AFAIK. I think you might be displaying a little POV in only wanting an ideal image up there though. Regardless there was no bad faith intended. Quadzilla9909:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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The LGBT Portal has once again been revamped and a work rota started. Efforts towards Featured Portal status are slowly coming together.
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There is an ongoing discussion about the current LGBT categorisation system here, here, and a little bit here. A special page has now been set up here to deal with this.
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With the influx of so many active members, there is now enough support for a LGBT studies peer review, which may be found here. It's in the beta phase at the moment, so bear with us if we make any mistakes. Feel free to peer review any articles you have been working on.
It was agreed this month to start reducing the uses of the Notice board, as many members felt that it was not effective. An open tasks template has been created, bringing together important announcements, FAC/FARs, Peer reviews, XfDs, the COTM, and requested articles. You may desire to watchlist it. A Deletion sorting subpage is also now working to bring together XfDs - this should be bot-driven, but we have not currently tagged enough articles to make this fully automated, so please update the list with any LGBT-related XfDs you come across.
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With such rapid development of the project, it was decided that a Coordinator was needed to ensure all the fiddly maintenence was kept up. Elections were held and Dev920 (talk·contribs) has been elected Coordinator for the next three months. She said "I am honoured and proud to be at the helm of such a fantastic WikiProject and look forward to our future". Congratulations Dev!
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A new Community department has been set up to foster community amongst our members. It mostly acts as other WikiProjects' Outreach department, but also has a Quilt to which every member is entitled to add a square containing anything of their choice.
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thanks again for goodwill. human topics are sensitive, i need not explain. (even in real life people hurt themselves to teach me a lesson, this is not new for me. and im enjoying article in previews by pasting wikitext [1] ) Racky pt 06:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)dont tell this to user:andyjsmithRacky pt09:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm just a step ahead of you at the moment. I noticed Human body shape when looking at Racky pt and yes, it's the same editor(s). If you look up the anon IP editors they all track back to the same place in India, and their edits never overlap. So it's probably sockpuppetry or just possible a couple of meatpuppets (although I doubt it).
I'm AfDing Human body shape right now. It is fundamentally the same article as near as I can remember, thinly disguised with some very poor references.
I agree with you, he's building up to being a nuisance again. I raised this issue with the closing admin on the socksupect debate Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Vinay412 but nothing has happened. I think it would be appropriate for you to contact Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (talk·contribs) who blocked Vinay412. AFAIK 202.41.72.100 is only used by Vinay412 - the edits are only his kind of stuff and it only seems to be used when the other sockpuppets are off the air. He claims it's a shared IP but nobody else seems to be using it.
Alice, does the Core Topics adequately reflect core transgender and transsexual issues? My complete lack of knowledge means I can't tell. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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The portal is now looking very snazzy, well done to Fireplace for all his hard work.
The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now beed reduced by 20%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect!
The Core Topics is now largely complete. The original aim of getting some kind of publication out of it is extremely long term - any short term uses we can make of it are welcome on the project talkpage.
A suggestion was made this month that we start our own wiki. Although the conclusion was that we felt we were a part of Wikipedia rather than a stand alone organisation, it seems there is an LGBT wiki already, at http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Main_page . Members may be interested in getting involved there.
The Collaboration is now getting rather short on suggestions. Article nominations for August through December would be welcome on the talkpage.
There is now a list of Missing LGBT Topics. Help is needed to work out which topics can be made redirects or need to be created. Please contribute is you can.
An LGBT banner that was created for Wikipedia's internal ads system has now been adapted so it can be placed on blogs and websites. The html is <a href="http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/WP:LGBT"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Qxz-ad48.gif" height="53" width="445"></a> Please credit Miranda and link to her userpage: <a href="http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Miranda">Miranda</a>. The banner can be seen in action here. If you have a blog or a website, please consider adding the banner, either in a post or as part of your profile.
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It's now been deleted as WP:CSD#A7, as you'd marked it as such and I reviewed. However, you didn't use the {{nn-warn}} template to warn the original author that it's been tagged for speedy. I updated their talk page as a courtesy, however you should probably do this in future as the 'bot doesn't always catch them. Thanks - Alison☺07:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
My mistake. It's the first time I've felt the need to speedy an article, and I wasn't aware of the need to add the {{nn-warn}} template to the user's talk page. --AliceJMarkham11:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
SX News
I can certainly ask if they would like to interview you. They're after WP:LGBT members, after all, not just teh Gay (not that I would qualify in that case). :) Shall I put you forward? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
As long as they don't want to publish my male name or photo, I should be able to do something. I lead somewhat of a Jekyl-and-Hyde double life. :)
Oh, and I'm about 2 hours drive or 3 hours by train from Sydney... That might affect whether they want to interview me or not. --AliceJMarkham12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
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The ongoing effort to create a comprehensive list of LGB people has begun to bear fruit - /A AND the /W-Z lists have been featured! Congratulations to Dev920 and SatyrTN who nominated them respectively. Please consider pitching in the the remaining lists to help us get them finished before the end of the year.
Project News
WP:LGBT now has an IRC channel! It is #LGBTProject on Freenode. Users without IRC or Xchat can use the java app at java.freenode.net to access the channel from their web browser. Hope to see you in there sometime!
David Shankbone has taken a LOT of photos. An idea has been mooted to create a page for listing people who are willing to take images in their area on request, please give your thoughts here.
Considerable discussion has recently been held on our coverage of same sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships. You may be interested to read it.
The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now been reduced by over 30%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect!
A gay cabal conspiracy ghost has been created to do with what you will. :)
Wooh, massive gay conspiracy...
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Inactive
As someone who was the object of a persistent troll, I hope you will reconsider leaving WP. You're really a big asset to the project, and you have most likely helped many people looking for information on gender issues by keeping those pages updated and accurate, which is a very noble public service to those who have questions and issues in that area. We need you. They need you. Please reconsider. --DavidShankbone12:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back. Please note that i was not blocked for disruption, and also that none of my contribution constitutes Wikipedia:disruption. I was blocked as sockpuppet of some unconnected blocked user, which i proved wrong with sufficient evidences and proper unblock procedures. Please assume good faith in other editors, we all here to help project. Thanks. Lara_bran06:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
LOL. How short do you think people's memories are, Vinay?
Your original 1-week ban was for disruption. You then got it extended to 2 weeks for sock puppetry, then got the 2-week start time reset for further sock puppetry. That's all on your original account's talk page.
You were evading that block yet again using your Lara bran account when you were incorrectly mis-identified as being a sockpuppet of User:Kuntan and your original account (User:Vinay412) and other known sock puppets were indef banned.
Subtract the mistaken connection with Kuntan and you were still in trouble for disruptive editing in the first place. Add in the rudeness present in your original account's talk page, edit summaries for Shemale, behaviour in Talk:Shemale, etc. and I believe that you're extremely lucky to have had the block lifted at all. It's more a case that the reason given for the block was wrong than that the block was unjustified.
I would suggest that you will need to behave yourself impeccably in the future because, with a history like that, any admin who looks at your history when dealing with a future complaint is likely to re-block you for a long time if not indefinately.
My first block was expired long back, also that block was without single warning on a new user, that was harsh. Later i never been disruptive. Regarding article shemale, i oppose undue weightage/mislead to transgender issues in wikipedia, thats all. There is dispute resolution process including RfC etc. for content disputes of such kind. Here it is mentioned that "second account can be used for anonymity", and i avoided real name for anonymity, and you please avoid my real name in talk pages, thanks in advance. Lara_bran03:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
You misunderstand the meaning of the above statement about using a 2nd account. The 2nd account is intended for when you are editing in a completely separate part of wikipedia. For example, I know of a couple of people who have one account for editing in the LGBT area and another account for other areas that they are interested in. The two accounts never edit in the same area, never take part in the same AfDs, etc. If they did, it wouldn't be within the rules. In contrast, you have repeatedly emphasised that your other account is related to your real name, such as in this edit summary. I don't need to mention your other account name for others to know your name. Your edit summaries emphasising it are permanently available to anyone who cares. It's public knowledge and not covered by the rules about having a 2nd account for privacy reasons. If you wanted to dissociate yourself from your real name, you would need to create a new account and edit an entirely different set of subjects. --AliceJMarkham08:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
That account you are referring [3] is blocked indefinitely, how can that edit same article which current account edits. Also hardly anobody would visit that profile since that stopped editing articles. Sock tag is to seperate myself from kuntan, which again may lead to unnecessary complications. Im concerned about privacy in shared ip, thats all. Thanks. Lara_bran08:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Stop!. This is your last warning, if you continue harassing as you did in Talk:Shemale, necessary steps will be taken. I have already warned you once and this is the last warning. Please use username in wikipedia. Thanks. Lara_bran08:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your this edit [5]. I saw you saying that often that it is deprecated, i could saw policy but that is not mentioned in WP:XIMG. Registered users constitute very less percentage of readers of wikipedia, most are anonymous users. Could you point me where exactly your point of "deprecated use of static pixels". I think other way is better, we can define pixel size depending on article's structure. Thanks. Lara_bran03:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Quoting directly from WP:XIMG: "From meta:MediaWiki 1.5 the default thumbnail width can be set in the preferences, so it is recommended not to specify "px", in order to respect the users' preferences (unless, for a special reason, a specific size is required regardless of preferences, or a size is specified outside the range of widths 120–300px that can be set in the preferences)." --AliceJMarkham07:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, i had cntr+f'd for deprecated, this would be more specific. But i still feel registered users are minority, lemme give a try for policy change. Nice day. Lara_bran07:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help.
Our Peer review project is struggling at the present, with only a few people reviewing the articles. While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-)
At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page.
The Pederasty articles continue to be a point of controversy both within and outside of our community. Various editors have suggested that to include them as LGBT Project related somehow taints the project and brings Wikipedia into disrepute. Other editors have stated that the articles, and especially the Pederasty article, are part of the core of LGBT studies. Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits.
The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Wikipedia who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed.
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Happy Halloween, everybody! Be happy and celebrate!
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I'm just sorry you had to put up with such rubbish for so long. Jeff, I know you're reading this, let's keep the gloating to a bare minimum though, eh? Neil☎
Well, even if Jeff is gloating, I'm not. I'm just waiting for the arrival of the next sockpuppet. Based on Vinay's history, I expect that he has at least one more account already created and waiting. It's just a matter of identifying it when he starts editing something that he has disrupted before...
On a related note, should the user:Vinay412 account be changed to say that it was blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and all the puppet accounts changed to say that they are indef blocked socks of Vinay412 instead of Lara bran? --AliceJMarkham10:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Talk about an assumption of bad faith, Neil. Am I happy that awful, disruptive sock is no longer harassing Alice off of the project, and bothering other hard-working editors who are trying to improve this project? You bet your ass I am. Am I gloating? Not in the least. That awful sock isn't worth the time it would take me to gloat. I', just glad we at the LGBT project can work in semi-peace again....and I hope the next reincarnation of this sock (and mark my words, there will be another one) will be dealt with more quickly than the admins here dealt with this one, and the many others before it. Cheers, Neil. Jeffpw15:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time – get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project'sLove Boat newsletter from your cruise directorMiss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!
Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>.
Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.
"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.
Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?
Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.
Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).
Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.
Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!
Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).
Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out.
In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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You wouldn't know it from the article, and that's precisely the point that I was making. :) Either the article needs to be rapidly brought up to scratch or it needs to be deleted, as the consensus currently appears to be heading towards. If someone wants to prove notability, provide refs, etc, they can always start again in the future. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 12:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am inclined to agree with the idea of adding a link to Breast implants, but tissue expansion, with the exception of foreskin restoration, is about inserting an inflatable device under the skin and gradually stretching the skin.
Looking at what Lotusqueen (talk·contribs) has been adding, it looks about on par with enlarging a penis using a penis pump (that article also contains unreferenced statements) or using herbal pills or creams to try to increase bust size. There are no reliable sources cited to show that it is anything more. I also note that adding this to articles is all that the user has done, making me suspicious that it may be spam and quite possibly a WP:COI issue. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the copyedits on the essay, much obliged. Any comments on the content, or can I assume this is tactic endorsement of my genius? I'll also take silence on this page as a tactic endorsement of my genius. I've low standards. WLU (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. The only concern that I have about your essay is that many newbies simply won't read that long an article. After all, you know what the attention span of a child is like, right? :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 04:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
That's an excellent point. I may try breaking it into several shorter articles which don't have to be read all at once. Thanks for the feedback. WLU19:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Gee, the article seems pretty clear to me. Perhaps you should reread it. And may I ask how you are using the term "queer"? It can seem like an offensive attack to someone who doesn't know you. Jeffpw22:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I do think the addition is a bit odd, as the procedure is fairly rare even among non-transgendered people. It's frowned by a lot of medical prefessionals who administer HRT, as the buttocks changes shape quite often after SRS. This can lead to an overly large or misshapen derriere. But some people have had this augmentation done, so it's relevant to the article. Glamrockboy (talk) 12:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen!
Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken!
It's Britney, Bitch!
Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think".
Game show for nerds
Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do.
Jón Þór Birgisson
I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me".
TranSanta
Everybody loves a sequel
Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win??
Not quite the second coming, but special just the same
Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!"
Battle of the Wikipedia Stars!
Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts.
Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!).
Santa's on his gay way!
Santa needs elves
Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future.
Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D
Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line.
Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East.
Ambrosia
Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia!
Christmas came early
Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct!
You!
Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa!Delirious Dong Zhi!Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life!
May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008.
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Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one!Jeffpw (talk) 19:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thank you
Thank you for having me updated about that. Yes, I've been less active recently due to my graduation from college as well as the block of wikipedia by Chinese government which brings me great trouble accessing wiki. I'd like to join the project, but not sure if i can keep as active as i used to be. Again, thanks for your invitation and have a very happy new year. ^^ --User:Yacht (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy new year to you, too. :) You're welcome to join even if you aren't editing very often. I am also not currently editing as often or as much as I have at other times. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Auto-archiving talk pages?
Hi AliceJMarkham, happy holidaze and ho ho ho and all that! Wasn't there some page you and I disagreed about auto-archiving? I think I have a possible solution. Benjiboi00:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy wotzit, etc. :) I don't remember exactly which article it was. I tend to like the idea of archiving talk pages when they get unwieldy due to excessive number of old sections, but I'm lazy so I prefer automated archiving. :)
I feel your pain! If we we figure out which one it is I think we could utilize the {{resolved}} template and use an auto-archiving of any thread with that on it. It would still take a bit of work but could help clean off the unique items that editors often drop onto talk pages for various reasons. Benjiboi11:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
That's the auto archiving used on AN/I, isn't it? Makes a lot of sense. I'd say that that would be a good idea on a lot of more active article talk pages. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
If it's resolved, it could be archived fairly quickly. In the case of a talk page, I'd still probably still leave that at say 30 days so that people can get a chance to see it before it's archived. What I meant by the comment about AN/I is that I was asking if that was the criteria used to select sections for archiving. "Only archive if tagged resolved." --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Email
Hey, I got your email, but it had been inexplicably moved to my trash folder - must have been mixed in with a lot of deeply moving stuff about interest rates. :) Will look into it now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell.
Two New Featured Articles (and...)
Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight.
Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now?
The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work.
Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action!
The long, slow race toward FP status continues...
Bisexual Awareness Month
Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open.
A cunning plan
In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk·contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies...
Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested.
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Hello there. Quick question...someone pointed out that you added the LGBT tag to this article. I was questioning if cosmetics really belongs since the article doesn't really mention anything related to LGBT topics. Thoughts? If you want, you can respond on the discussion page in the link I added. Gracias. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I've got a lot happening right now, and all I'm doing on wiki at the moment is vandalism reversion and minor corrections. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15.
Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians!
Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage.
Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation.
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I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?
I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.
The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.
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Humm, it seems that is because firefox 2 doesn't integrated with Java 6 very well. Maybe you can both update your firefox to version 3 and Java 6 to the latest update. Now I am using Firefox 3 and everything is quite OK.
Hi,
just remind you to complete the questionnaire.
My thesis's oral defense is on next Wednesday. So please complete it as early as you can. I believe it would just take you 5 miniutes. Thanks a lot. :)
Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.
WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.
Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...
Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [8]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [9].
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.
This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)
Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.
It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.
In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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We have been through a lot together, and your words of consolation mean the world to me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am not in state to do any actual editing, but answering condolence messages gives me peace and solace. You've always been a good friend to me, and your support in this time helps me be strong for the coming difficult time. with much love, Jeffpw (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
An unfortunate effect of a group less active than in the past is that our articles lose integrity. This one is at Good Article Review for that reason. The talk page is quite active as a result. You have the opportunity to help. This is the corest of our core articles, and it needs some attention because it gets a lot of controversial input from many sides. If you can spare any time to edit the article, please do what you can.
Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand!
I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there?
In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie?
New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable.
It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep.
In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does.
Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are:
Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired.
Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Wikipedia so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors.
Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles.
On Wikipedia as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Wikipedia for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting."
"A Supreme Court decision in 1958 reversed a 1956 ruling by a federal district court that U.S. postal authorities were correct in prohibiting the mailing of the Mattachine Society's ONE magazine. The lower court had ruled that ONE was not protected by the First Amendment because the magazine's contents 'may be vulgar, offensive, and indecent even though not regarded as such by a particular group ... because their own social or moral standards are far below those of the general community ... Social standards are fixed by and for the great majority and not by and for a hardened or weakened minority.'" - Michael Bronski in Pulp Friction, 2003
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Hello you remember me from the article Passing (gender). We are about to squabble over finding a reliable source for the fact that the word reading is used in the way I am writing of. I have but the problem is you can't hear it. First off I want to broaden your horizons by introducing you to the following.
What I would like to discuss is just why you can't hear these video's? I mean tell me about your set up and mabey it can be trouble shot. --Hfarmer (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I doubt it. I'm running the browser on one linux computer and displaying it on another. It just doesn't seem to want to pass audio across. Hopefully the problem will go away when I have time to do a scratch install on my desktop machine so that the browser will run there. I'm too busy with work to have the time. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 08:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm Might I ask are you doing it by VNC, ssh, or XDMCP? I am pretty sure the sound can go over XDMCP and ssh but it take allot of bandwidth. :-? Your right probably the simplest thing to do is just wait until you can get it on your pc. Trust me about those vids though they say what I wrote they say.--Hfarmer (talk) 10:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm using ssh. I'll get there eventually. :) I'm not doubting what you say in the slightest. In fact, I can actually see the relationship between the extra meaning that you added and the existing one in the article, in that the ball meaning is something of a parody of the abusive confrontational behaviour that TG people sometimes experience when read by a bigot. It would be interesting to find more information on the origin of the ball meaning, because it might ultimately be the same origin as the other meaning. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It can be a paraody of that kind of abuse when it is done among good friends or people who are in the same house. (Kind of like people of the same race, or good friends of people who are the same race using racial slurs with eachother.) However when used against someone you don't know that well or don't like you can get really nasty. I am sure something like this is in your experience.
I also looked up what I could find about using SSH to play sound. There seems to be no really simple way to do it. :-( --Hfarmer (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Wake up WP:LGBT! It's time to kick in gear and get some things done!
Project News
Wake up!
I say this to myself as much as I say it to all of us. I work a lot by myself or with individual editors who spend time at Featured Article Candidates. It seems on November 5 a fog was lifted off my brain that helped me realize that we have massive potential in this project to get things done. Take this allegory, for instance: On Wednesday, Nov. 5, 1980, my 10th-grade American history teacher started class by unfurling The New York Times. She pointed to its triple banner headline: “Reagan Easily Beats Carter; Republicans Gain in Congress; D’Amato and Dodd are Victors.” “Save this paper,” she told us. “This is the start of a whole new era.”Judith Warner from The New York Times
It definitely seems a start to a whole new era now. If planets align correctly to remind us that whatever advances we may have made in electing what appears to be an extraordinary president in the US, the moons that revolve around those planets also serve to illustrate it's not that simple. Florida, Arizona, and California all appear to have banned same sex marriage. As someone who was married in California and lives in Florida, this is particularly poignant. We seem to be at the juncture of two converging paths. If we maximize our efforts and take the right ones, we might just be able to affect some change for ourselves.
Though what we do is an interesting hobby for some, we have the power to make a difference. California's ballot initiative to ban gay marriage was a fierce fight. It's being challenged right now, but just look at how Wikipedia played a role in that: in October 2008, 360,238 people read its article. On November 5, an astounding 467,000 people read it. I commend the editors who work on that article—both those who support and oppose it. A look at the talk page shows a concerted effort to keep it civil and accurate.
What can we do?
How do you fight ignorance? With information. That's what Wikipedia is for. This project is overwhelming with 8,576 articles in its scope. We can continue to work piecemeal as we have in the past, or we can focus on goals. These are examples of areas we can concentrate on.
Current political events
LGBT Media and Literature
LGBT History
Sex and sexuality
Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years
Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines
Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it
There are more than 8,000 articles to work on. Can we build a list of priorities? Can we build enough enthusiasm to work on these? What if we had editors who oversaw progress in these areas and reported to the talk page or in the newsletter? Surely someone here wants to report on the progress of sex articles.
Tony Perkins (irony) from the conservative Family Research Councilwas heartened by the recent passages of gay marriage bans. The Republican Party is without direction. What's going to take the place of a moderate voice will not be pleasant to our ears. Watching and improving articles of subjects that have opposed gay rights in the past will be of vital importance very soon, I predict.
But WP:LGBT is not a very active project
All we can do is start somewhere. The first step is answering this newsletter on the project talk page. Join in the discussion.
More things we can do
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
Proposal: Put Importance Levels on articles
If this was decided long before I was a member, maybe it's time to revisit it. Other WikiProjects, such as WP:Novels determine that some subjects have an importance category: Top, High, Mid, Low, or None (undetermined). If we decide that our most core articles, it might help to organize which articles to address first. Top importance, for example, would be Gay, Homosexual, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Sappho, Oscar Wilde, Stonewall riots, for example. High importance would be Homosexuality and psychology, Harvey Milk, Mattachine Society, Harry Hay, or Daughters of Bilitis, and so on. This can be a matter of discussion, or perhaps we could have someone in charge of determining these levels for all the articles we have tagged.
These are the editors I've seen working (and I know I'm forgetting a few). There's more of you out there I haven't seen. Some of you are new. We need all of you. Please help.
Miami, January 18, 1977 after the gay rights ordinance was passed: While Bryant and the others were creating the beginnings of the repeal effort, (gay activists) Basker, Campbell, Kunst, and the other (gay rights) ordinance supporters congratulated themselves on their success and then quickly disbanded... There was no organized recognition or celebration of the victory. As one activist remembered, "We just went home." They had little idea of the battle that was before them. - Fred Fejes in Gay Rights and Moral Panic, 2008
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I intended to make the images a consistent size, not smaller, by adding the 140px dimension to them. I should have used a larger dimension. In reverting my change, you also removed a new image I'd added. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs)18:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I have my default size set to 300px, so setting any fixed size forces them to be smaller. Besides, the default is 180 so 140 made them smaller. If you want images to display larger for you, go to my preferences, click the Files tab and change your Thumbnail size setting. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Further, "upright" images are supposed to be scaled differently to normal images, and fixed sizes are not desirable unless to resolve a specific problem with a page, per WP:MOS. Oh, and I can't see relevance of a photo of someone not wearing a bra to an article on bras. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Quitting isn't an option
Well, it is, but its usually not the best one. I can understand being consumed with emotion when a subject which directly affects you is under discussion, but its better to take a deep breath, or wp:wikibreak and actively take the time to further educate people about your point of view. If we quit everytime we become disheartened, women would still be owned as property, neither women, nor minorities would have the right to vote and homosexuality would still be classified as a mental disease. Have patience, have faith. :) The Bookkeeper(of the Occult)05:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that you were confused by Hfarmer's casual reference to "AJ". Jokestress (talk·contribs) is Andrea James, one of the principal transgender activists involved in the Bailey scandal. James is the person that posted photos of Bailey's children with humiliating comments as a way of attacking Bailey. (See this partial page, for example.) It's generally safe to assume that any references to "AJ" in the discussions are to this editor, and that the obvious conflict of interest is a regular topic of concern. (It feels some days like we have Karl Rove editing George W. Bush.)
Thanks for that. There is absolutely nothing on that talk page to indicate a connection between Jokestress and the initials AJ. Even if that is the editor's real name, that is not the name they use on wikipedia, so using those initials is not only confusing but I believe that at best it's poor form and at worst it's inapproriate and disrespectful.
I've been involved in discussions on that talk page for about a year now, and I've been on the receiving end of a number of personal attacks from HFarmer. I believe that the neutral position is between the two proponents, but considerably closer to Jokestress's position than to HFarmer's. I'm actually more concerned with HFarmer's ownership issues with that article, her apparent conflict of interest through being an active supporter of the term and her general belligerence towards and outright personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with her position.
After HFarmer's 2nd response in the "AJ?" section of that talk page, I've begun reading up on the process involved in requesting editing restrictions including topic bans and civility restrictions. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 07:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Shemale
Just to be clear I had added cleavage enhancement because many people are called shemale even though they may be in any stage of transitioning or even simply cross-dressing. As I've rewritten the lede it no longer is imperative but the definition is quite broad and the usages are seemingly infinite. I've also thrown out the odd quoting about it being only a heterosexual term as I think that was misrepresenting that source. I didn't see where Cantor had changed it but it was messy so I hope it works better now. -- Banjeboi03:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, but cleavage enhancement doesn't give the person female breasts, which is what the sentence said. If it said something more along the lines of having the "appearance of female breasts" or "female breasts or the illusion thereof", it might work.
Cheers. I've been neglecting almost all of my watchlist so feel free to ping me on my talk if you need anything. Happy holidays and all that there! -- Banjeboi04:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've been doing very little on wiki recently except for reverting vandalism. Way too much happening for me right now. Maybe in about a month (haha)... Happy xmas/new year, etc. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've tried to rework the entire shemale so the lede sentence is clear it's generally a disparaging term - hope this works. With that reworking some issues like including cleavage enhancement have been resolved.
Have you considered clarifying on your user page that you wish to be referred to with feminine pronouns? I have been referring to you as female simply based on "Alice" being a feminine name, but when I re-read your user page, I became unsure as to your wishes, since you honestly identify yourself as being a male who cross-dresses as female. Do you prefer feminine pronouns? I do not wish to offend you. I just became confused, so I thought I'd ask. --Malkinann (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. You're obviously not the only one who has been thus confused. Gender identity is a minefield, and for now I'll just make it clear that I consider myself to be female rather than trying to explain to people that I have two separate gender identities and that I alternate between the two. This account specifically represents only my female gender identity. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
That's clearer, thanks Alice. :) I would tend to put more emphasis on the correct behaviour rather than on the offensive behaviour ("Please refer to me using feminine pronouns (her, she etc.), as I find masculine pronouns to be offensive.) - might be worth a thought, carrot before stick and all that jazz. --Malkinann (talk) 10:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
You know, I just assume that anyone who gives herself the username 'Alice' will not be distressed to be referred to as 'she.' On the internet, no one can see your genitals... unless, of course, you post pictures. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs)12:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, ew! XD Alice, in a way, telling people you will be highly offended if they call you as male might give people ideas - they know that you will be offended if they say it, so they say it. --Malkinann (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
FQ, there is the counter-example of Alice Cooper. :) In some ways, I'm tempted to leave it that way because anyone who goes out of their way to read it and then deliberately insult me is probably heading towards blockable or banable behaviour anyway, and that would reinforce it. On the other hand, you're right, I shouldn't encourage them to stuff beans up their nose. :) I'll have a go at rewording it. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 09:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree; the revision won't stop vandals from insulting you (of course, nothing does), but it is worded in a way that's clear and non-confusing even for people who don't know how complicated the gender spectrum can get. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs)21:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
To me, that does seem borderline at best, maybe ask at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. IMHO, HFarmer has been personalizing - both of themselves and other editors - a lot of the content and editing issues making subjects about gender and sexuality even more stressful. -- Banjeboi21:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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To be honest, I've reached the point where I usually won't get involved in editing subjects where Hfarmer is active. I know that I should do the exact opposite but there's a virtual guarantee of being personally attacked every time, and I'm not prepared to deal with that at the moment. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh brother banjieboi could you point me to where I attacked you? (I am unsure of how yo spell your name as it appears different in editing mode "Benjiboi". Is that what you consider an attack? Or are you talking about the thing which even you admited was misinterpretation on your part...when I called your haivng been topic banned specious and defended you.)
Alice as you have seen above an honest person could have read what you wrote about yourself and got the feeling that you should be called by male pronouns. What you have now is very clear and you should have written earlier.
As for assuming from persons names. A while back on here their was a editor who went by MariontheLibrarian. When I refered to Marion as she. He was insulted and argued with me that Marion was a manly name. I Imagine the same could happen to someone named leslie. I never assume.--Hfarmer (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I understand that. I just wanted a pointer to what I have said to you that was insulting. I have only ever responeded to people who went at me first. Except possibly this thing with alice which was as I explained was an honest mistake. Which I responed to at the time by pointing out that on her talk page she refers to herself as male. That IMO would in most circumstances trump any other assumptions or statements. People have all kinds of odd names.--Hfarmer (talk) 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
What you've said that is insulting is to refer to not only my name but my gender identity as "fantasy". I'm not a transvestic fetishist. I live a significant part of my social life as a woman and I find it insulting to be told that because I'm not a post-op TS, my gender identity is fantasy. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I stand up for non-op's all the time and never called you a fetishist. You called yourself a heterosexual male crossdresser which is something a transsexual would never do. Nor is a transsexual a "female persona of a male bodied person". Your female gender identity is something you escape into for fun. You spend a part of your social life as a female. Transsexuals, regardless of how you sort us, spend ALL of our time as women and alter our bodies irreversibly. As I once said such that even laying naked in bed we look like women, becuse we are women, and not as you described yourself "crossdressers", who spend part of our social lives as women. We don't put down two answers on the questionaire one as a male and the other as a female.
I take offence to and find it highly intrusive and uncivil that somenone who by their own admission enjoy's male privilage in our society all the time that they are not spending "part of their social life as a woman" feels a need to colonize the identity of transsexual women. That invasion is the height of incivility.
I will call you female as long as you are Alice Markham on here since you have made that clear its what you want. But know this unless you are full time you are not a transsexual woman. You can't have your cake and eat it two.--Hfarmer (talk) 03:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
RFC/USER discussion concerning you (AliceJMarkham)
Thanks for the grammar fix. Sometimes I wish it was easier to find ones own mistake, I tend to read what I thought I'd written instead of the actual letters, especially when I've rewritten something a few times. PaleAqua (talk) 17:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Condolences
My condolences on your friend passing, I hope the peace we all deserve will be found in their memory and that you and yours will honor their spirit in whatever ways seem most appropriate. -- Banjeboi12:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
How do you change the world? You can start by writing an incredible article for the world's encyclopedia. Moni3 kicks it old school again with Stonewall riots - a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969 at the Stonewall Inn. [...] [T]hey have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. It's a featured article hitting the mainpage this Sunday to mark the 40th anniversary of the events. So first off, wow! Clever and cool. Moni3 has been recently named hottest delegate to Obama's bookclub but that may not be official yet. (Shhh!)
Otto4711 mentioned that gee we really should swamp the DYK section with LGBT-related articles for use on the 28th as well. We have eight or so in the holding area and if you push yourself to get an article together you might be able to get in on the fun. Do this now!
The official rules for DYKs can be found here. Once you have expanded an article 5-fold or created an article with at least 1,500 characters of prose, place your DYK thread here. Use this handy tool to count your 1,500 characters. As a suggestion, when you add your potential hook, include the character count and a link to the source(s) that confirm the hook. These will be confirmed anyway but may help.
The layout for the individual quotes is here (just copy/paste into one of the red links on Portal:Transgender/Random quote). Then this counter has to be upped to match the new # of total quotes (not counting quote zero).
Obama proclamation
On June 1, President Barack Obama declared June 2009 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, citing the riots as a reason to "commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans". Excerpts at the bottom.
F*ck me I'm famous
I was interviewed by Wikipedia Signpost, the weekly in-house newsletter, for the WikiProject report. The Signpost has nearly 1,000 Wikipedian subscribers and arguably many of those folks actually read it. It came about rather quickly and my worst fears - that it was an elaborate hoax by a troll - were apparently unfounded. I hope y'all feel I did fine by the project, I did my best to avoid the phrase "man-humping, cock-sucking, doggy-style loving queer" but otherwise did ok.
Free image appeal
A friendly reminder to consider taking photos while you're out and about at various Dyke marches and Pride parades. Consider donating them to the world at Wikicommons. I'm sooo totally over having to deal with lovely images being deleted and argued about. If they are just free they are then also freely usable worldwide. And no, they don't need photos of your cha-cha or hoo-hoo-dilly.
Sonny and Cher's daughter was a famous lesbian and now he's a famous transman, possibly the most famous in the world. This also serves as a friendly reminder that we recently updated Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines - it's not perfect but should help inform on those gnip-gnop battles that do seem to drag on, and not in the good way.
As part of the redecorating at our talkpage, the article alerts and keyword search alerts are handily located at the top of the page. Always fascinating to see what's up. All help appreciated on those.
Glambert
Adam Lambert is soooo gay - surprised? Neither is anyone else. Nuff said. David Ogden Stiers was outed but apparently he wasn't terribly in either.
The LGBT studies project does have its own free Internet Relay Chat channel, #wikipedia-en-lgbtconnect, for coordination, collaboration and socializing. This channel is hosted on Freenode and can be accessed in one of two ways: If you already have an IRC client, click the link to the left. If you do not have an IRC client, you'll need to get one installed on your computer first. Once you've done this, then click on the link to the left.
For more general information on IRC and a listing of other useful Wikipedia-related channels, see Wikipedia:IRC channels.
The project had at one point another channel at #LGBTprojectconnect but as the original people associated with the setting up and administration of that channel have seemed to have disappeared, this new channel has been set up. Plus the new channel is inline with required naming conventions for Wikipedia related IRC channels. So, feel free to use this channel. Such a channel gives opportunity to discuss the latest happening on articles, the LGBT project itself, latest happening in your life with "wiki-friends" here, etc.. You can say things on there you normally wouldn't here on Wikipedia (keeping it civil of course) like talk about the latest hot guy/girl or tell a joke.. you get the point. Anyway, see you there - eventually!
LGBT to-do list (held over from last edition)
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
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There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. [I]n both the White House and the Federal agencies -- openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism. [...] LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. [...] As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. [...] I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists. - Barack Obama, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, 2009, The White House (June 1, 2009).
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Hi Alice. You deleted the article I wrote and then asked if anyone in the LGBT wki page knew me to write the article. This got dumped into the archives with your request. Unfortunately it turns up on search and I'm hoping you can delete that from the wiki archives. I've since closed my wiki account and I've made requests to have my info removed from wiki as the association is embarrassing. I'd really appreciate it as I'm actually glad you removed it. It can be found here. Thank you.
An article that you have been involved in editing, Genderqueer, has been proposed for a merge with the article Pangender. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --April Arcus (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Wiki Loves Pride 2014
Hi Alice. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! --Another Believer(Talk)15:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi there! I found your name in the WikiProject LGBT studies and thought that you might be able to help revert vandalist edits to the article Transparent (TV series). Multiple anonymous accounts have lately changed "her" into "him" for a transgender woman. I have reverted several of these edits, and added a remark on the talk page. Would you please look into this, or suggest someone else's help? Thank you in advance. Mark in wiki (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
As a participant of WikiProject LGBT studies, you are invited to participate in the third annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign, which runs through the month of June. The purpose of the campaign is to create and improve content related to LGBT culture and history. How can you help?
Create or improve LGBT-related Wikipedia pages and showcase the results of your work here
Document local LGBT culture and history by taking pictures at pride events and uploading your images to Wikimedia Commons
Looking for topics? The Tasks page, which you are welcome to update, offers some ideas and wanted articles.
This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. The group's mission is to develop LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. Visit the affiliate's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome! If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's talk page.
Hello, AliceJMarkham. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
Stop!. This is your last warning, if you continue harassing as you did in Talk:Shemale, necessary steps will be taken. I have already warned you once and this is the last warning. Please use username in wikipedia. Thanks. Lara_bran 08:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Genderqueer, has been proposed for a merge with the article Pangender. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --April Arcus (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
