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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Created/expanded by TheAwesomeHwyh (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 6 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]

  • {{subst:DYK?}} Ahhh... @TheAwesomeHwyh: First, remember to italicize the names of games, magazines, websites, &c. (MOS:IT). That's small and I already fixed it for you. Second, I understand how difficult this can be but, however straightforward it is for you to just tell the story in the article's #Plot section, you can't just do that.

    Huh... fun. Apparently WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG have been emended to say #Plot sections are absolutely a citation-free zone and that's just fine. Weird. Anyway, moving on...

    New enough; long enough (~2k elig. chars.) assuming we're counting unsourced #Plot sections now but not trying to tighten up their phrasing (MOS:PLOT); titles use italics (MOS:IT), but that's easy to fix; no QPQ needed (Hi, New Person! Thanks for your work!); Earwig finds minimal copyvio; ALT1 is objectively a better advertising hook but too WP:EASTERy for a commercial product here; ALT0 G2G. — LlywelynII 05:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a side note, I was going to suggest uploading a low-rez cover or screenshot under fair use to illustrate the article but, having seen what it looks like on Google Images, it is probably better for sales if no one actually sees it before purchase. Oof. — LlywelynII 06:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the reason plot summarys aren't supposed to have citations is because you would just end up citing the work itself and that would be weird? Not sure. Also, heh... I think the game is kinda cute looking... TheAwesomeHwyh 16:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nah, you'd have to find someone else's published summary and I suppose the reviewers wanted to give more leeway for editors to give the whole plot instead of just the teaser you usually find in game reviews. — LlywelynII 07:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 2: Frogs

@TheAwesomeHwyh:@LlywelynII:@Cwmhiraeth:
Aside from not understanding the point of this hook, I wonder why the words "frog detective" are repeated three times? Yoninah (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I kept skipping over the article while looking for hooks to promote because I wasn't sure either. I thought maybe I was missing something, but it doesn't seem interesting because it's basically restating the title. SL93 (talk) 17:57, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How about ALT3 ... that in Frog Detective, you play as Frog Detective, frog detective? TheAwesomeHwyh 18:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looking at this critically, ALT1 and ALT2 are in-universe (see WP:DYKSG#C6). ALT3 is back to square one: too much repetition.
  • Personally, I would never have promoted this. Nearly 50 percent of the page is unsourced plot. There are no production notes. If there were, you could make a proper hook. Yoninah (talk) 18:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Plot sections in and of themselves do not need sourcing. But all hooks must have a source. So, if you have a hook that is about something in the plot, you need to find a source to back that up for DYK. — Maile (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Well, I just added some new information to the article about this, so how about ALT4: ... that when the developers of the first-person shooter video game Superhot sponsored a game about being a detective frog, they called it the "crossover no one asked for"? TheAwesomeHwyh 19:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for adding that. I formatted your ALT4. Rather than "about being a detective frog", do you mean "in which players act as detective frogs"? ALT4 needs a review. Yoninah (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be fine, though to be pedantic, there is only one Frog Detective and adding a plural implies to me at least that there are multiple. Maybe it would be more clear if it said "In which players act as Frog Detective"? TheAwesomeHwyh 19:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So:
ALT5: that when the developers of the first-person shooter video game Superhot sponsored a game in which players act as Frog Detective, they called it the "crossover no one asked for"? Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAwesomeHwyh: but the Development section seems to say that the crossover quote refers to the sequel, not to this game. Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: how about ALT6: that when the developers of the first-person shooter video game Superhot sponsored the sequel to a game in which players act as Frog Detective, they called it the "crossover no one asked for"? TheAwesomeHwyh 20:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Now we're getting far afield of the bolded subject. How about:
ALT7: ... that critics called the comedy adventure video game The Haunted Island "suitably goofy" and "pretty gosh darn rad"? Yoninah (talk) 20:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds good to me. TheAwesomeHwyh 20:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Can someone review ALT7? I've reserved the space for it in Prep 2. Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ALT7 is mentioned in the article, and cited in this source: 1. Should an uninvolved editor now promote it to Prep 2, or should I do that? — Maile (talk) 21:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maile, thanks, and go ahead! Yoninah (talk) 21:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that was silly. ALT0 was within policy, sourced, and much more interesting. No one cares what paid reviewers think about a game, especially when they're being intentionally twee/cutesy as in this blurbs. Amusing tags about Frog Detective, the frog detective, got everyone I mentioned it to interested in this game, until they saw the art on Google xD. — LlywelynII 09:00, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article for each adventure? Article for the series?

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Should there be an article for each episode (The Haunted Island, The Case of the Invisible Wizard, (spoiler) Corruption at Cowboy County, etc)? Or should there be one article, Frog Detective probably, covering the series as a whole? Or both? Nclm (talk) 21:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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