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Sony calls the PlayStation 4 "the world's most powerful console"[14] and, speaking to Edge magazine, numerous game developers described the performance difference between the PS4 and Xbox One as "significant" and "obvious".

a line such as this, placed in the 2nd paragraph, is a blatant and obvious bias statement. this has obviously been taken from the pre-release section and placed at the top of the page a persuasive device. considering it is from the pre-release secion, and the console has been released, this statement should definantly not be in the 2nd paragraph, as it was an unproven claim when it was made.

Clawman9994 (talk) 13:16, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


If you have a reliable source contradicting that which is already present, please present it. Otherwise, there is no reason why the statement should be removed. I have seen many reliable sources discussing the power of the PlayStation 4, but never one backing up your claim that it is "unproven", also I don't understand how it is biased. Sony's claim has been backed by numerous developers and a quick hardware comparison between it and its competitors even moreover backs up the statement already present in the article. Chambr (talk) 03:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2015

As of June 30, 2015, Sony announced that the console reached 25.3 million copies sold.

As of June 30, 2015, Sony announced that the console reached 25.3 million [units] sold.

Tubnotub1 (talk) 11:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Done Cannolis (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

History section - no content statement

The History section (and maybe others) has/have/had issues with no-content statements such as

They revealed details about the console's hardware and discussed some of the new features it will introduce.
The company revealed release dates for North America, Central America, South America, Europe and Australia, as well as final pieces of information, at a Gamescom press event in Cologne, Germany,
(PlayStation_4#History)

It states/stated that things had/have happened without saying what they actually where. Xiiophen (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2015

Please add this to the top of the page: 

{{mergefrom|PlayStation 4 system software|discuss=Talk:PlayStation 4 system software#Merge proposal|date=September 2015}}

I’m requesting this to match the system page’s {{mergeto}}, because I’ve proposed a merge on that page’s Talk page. 67.14.236.50 (talk) 18:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 18:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Redirect of PlayStation 4 launch, retail configurations and pricing

The "PlayStation 4 launch, retail configurations and pricing" is redirecting to the main article. However, it looks like it is directing to a different article, if the other article doesn't exist, it should not be included as a link. 189.165.42.109 (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Instrument of terror

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/11/14/why-the-paris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/

Widely reported in the press. Worth a mention here? Hcobb (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Do other sources report on it besides this one? Forbes "contributors" are sources we try to avoid. (They're not the same as being a full-fledged writer for Forbes.) Sergecross73 msg me 03:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

A few refs...

None of these are reliable sources? Hcobb (talk) 15:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted the inclusion of the content as presented here. I've got some objections.
  1. One, sources like the ones above seem to say things like "could have been used" or end their sentences with question marks. (Did they use PS4s?" type stuff.) Is it confirmed or just a theory.
  2. I don't believe presenting it in a dedicated section, containing one sentence, called "instrument of terror" is a good choice. Strikes me as WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE issues, especially considering where things fall on point number one above.

I've notified the Video Games WikiProject on handling this, as I'm sure this will be a recurring thing, and it may warrant inclusion, but not quite like this... Sergecross73 msg me 16:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Here's a source that is discussing a number of sources and their issues. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-11-16-sony-responds-to-claim-ps4-used-for-terrorist-communications Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't this rather fit on PSN's article anyway? Its not indicative of the hardware or the console at all. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:42, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Coming from WT:VG, I would say that first, if this is included it is a PSN issue, not a PS4. But more importantly, this is speculation: they had a PS4 and they used it to send messages to other PSN users, that seems firm, but it does prove that PSN was the only way and/or responsible for it. That PSN is mostly unmonitored, that could be a valid point of criticism to say on the PSN, but the Paris attacks should not be used as the only justification for that if it hasnt' been proven out yet. --MASEM (t) 17:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I haven't seen any direct links to Paris and have not suggested it be mentioned. Also blaming PlayStation Network would be original research on our part as the sources all say PS4. Hcobb (talk) 18:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
  1. PSN is mentioned in one of the very sources you presented yourself. Its even in the link itself. (http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/619722/ISIS-Terrorist-Attack-Paris-Sony-Playstation-4-PSN)
  2. I don't believe there's a way to communicate between PS4's without using PSN. (Unless they were linked locally like you could do with some systems in the old days...but I don't think they're talking about people communicating between PS4's in the same room, if that's even possible anymore.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

End result: turns out they just used unencrypted text messages. The PS4 connection was a nonsense rumor, sparked by crummy journalism connecting something a Belgian minister had said a few days before the attacks. --PresN 00:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Please remove 4k as a supported output resolution, max resolution is 1080p

The PS4 does not currently support 4k resolution for any media, images, or games.

Search "4K" on Sony's Ultimate FAQ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/)

It says that 4k resolution for media support is under consideration. The PS4 has no option to select 4k as a resolution in its display settings, and attempts to play 4k video from a USB stick will fail, meaning it can't even downsample 4k content to 1080p.

While the hardware could support 4k movie/image output, there is no support in the media player, netflix/amazon apps, or games for 4k. TheThirdStrike (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The above source (and others) say the PS4 is capable of 4K resolution for some forms of media, but not games. Our article qualifies this statement adequately. — TPX 07:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Intruductory Price in Japan missing

What r u thinking?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.72.218.142 (talk • contribs)

Right in the History section, it pretty plainly states " The PS4 released in Japan at ¥39,980 on February 22, 2014.[29]". Did you not read this far or something? Sergecross73 msg me 19:41, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

It misses in the oversight box. Can u just follow your own rules, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.72.218.142 (talk) 11:55, 9 January 2016‎ (UTC)

SO???STILL NOT DONE; STUPID WIKIPEDIA JERKS. NO MONEY FOR YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.72.218.142 (talk) 10:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what "misses in the oversight box" is supposed to mean, nor do I follow how I'm not "following my own rules". You're writing so sloppily that you're not making any sense... Sergecross73 msg me 13:34, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Going to guess it means overview, as in the infobox, and that they meant that we normally write that kind of thing in the infobox but didn't in this case.--IDVtalk 14:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

JUST AN ARROGANT ANSWER? REALLY? BUT STILL NOT CHANGED! CHANGE/INSERT IT EVERYWHERE AT EVERY CONSOLE EVER!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.72.218.142 (talk) 16:55, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Personally, I was partially waiting to see if you'd clarify/confirm what it is you're requesting, and partially waiting to see if maybe there's a reason why its not listed there. It could be an oversight, or there could be some reason like it was decided only English-language countries would have their price listed or something like that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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I'll take this JAGUAR  19:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

  • "as an eighth generation of video game consoles" - as part of the eighth generation of video game consoles
  • I think the lead should be reorganised into four paragraphs, per WP:LEADLENGTH. The sentence "During the 2014 fiscal year, PS4 topped video game global console sales" should definitely be merged
  • "In early 2013, Sony announced that an event known as PlayStation Meeting 2013 would be held in New York City, U.S.," - no need for 'US' here
  • "Chief executive, Kazuo Hirai, said in May" - Chief executive of what?
  • "An official price cut in Europe followed in late Oct 2015" - October
  • "released in Japan at 39,980 Yen" - why is the Yen symbol not shown here?
  • "On 9 September 2015, the ps4 official came out of the PS4 in North America was announced" - I see that a dmy date is used here. The article uses mdy dates throughout, so which one should be used?
  • "The technology in the PlayStation 4 is similar to the hardware found in personal computers" - a bit vague. I'm sure all PCs are different!
  • "This familiarity should make it easier and less expensive for game studios to develop games for the PS4" - this is also vague and unclear, and sounds like a bit of risky original research
  • "with similar price drops in other SE Asian markets" - south-east shouldn't be abbreviated
  • "Its read-only optical drive is capable of reading Blu-ray Discs at speeds of up to three times that of the PS3's" - might sound better as of its predecessor
  • "It includes a non-removable, rechargeable battery" - no need for the comma here
  • "Sony also took steps to make it easier for indie game developers to publish titles for the PS4" - I don't think this is descriptive enough

References

On hold

I'll leave this on hold for the standard seven days. I'll be happy to leave it on hold for longer if needed. Once all of the above are out of the way, I'll take another look at the article. Overall though, it appears very solid and GA-worthy. JAGUAR  19:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@Gamingforfun365: I think the final two points could be addressed by simply removing them if they can't be elaborated. To me they sound like original research and something an IP wrote a long time ago. JAGUAR  11:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The sentences were changed. One of them says "...modern personal computers.", and the other says "The familiarity is designed to...". Is that okay, or must they be removed altogether? Gamingforfun365 (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
That should be OK. I've checked over the article once more and I can determine that this meets the GA criteria now. Well done! JAGUAR  18:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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IPA spelling for consoles

There's an on-going discussion about this at the Wii U article talk page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Wii_U#Wee_Ew.3F --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 06:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

add updated hardware versions (different models) of the console in the main table

Considering the internal hardware changes and the fact that it's an "iteration" on the original PS4, should the PS4 Pro have it's own Wiki page (much like the various iPhone models or the New 3DS for example)? It seams like something a bit more then just a traditional "revised model" in the original sense, like the Slim is.82.13.2.104 (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Just wait for the normal wiki thing. Keep adding content to this section and then when it gets big enough fork it to its own article. - X201 (talk) 08:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Sales

I'm wondering if we need three different sales tables. Can we delete all but the sell-through chart? — TPX 19:27, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2016


This article notes that WebKit is the core of the new browser, the same core used by Google Chrome and Apple Safari, except Google Chrome does not use Webkit. It uses Google's own in house rendering engine called Blink.

172.7.137.16 (talk) 18:25, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:10, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2016

71.185.229.180 (talk) 21:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

The PS4 slim mentions the harddrive but the PS4 PRO does not, it comes standard with a 1 TB harddrive and I think this should be mentioned.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Why no pictures for PS4 Pro and Slim?

there were some before why they got removed?--Crossswords (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Because they are now released, free images of these should be possible to obtain, and thus non-free versions are not allowed. --MASEM (t) 01:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Should Ps4 Pro get its own page?

I'm proposing maybe Ps4 Pro gets its own article. It is the first of its kind (a mid generational upgraded console) and the New Nintendo 3DS gets its own article. Osh33m (talk) 01:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I would wait until after its release to see if it gets much extra attention above the current PS4 models. If it does, a separate article may be warranted, just keep in mind about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS-type arguments. --MASEM (t) 02:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't particularly see a need yet either. Right now, it doesn't seem liked there's much to say other than its "a little stronger version of the PS4". In addition to what Masem said above, there could also be a lot more discussion/commentary once Project Scorpio comes out, or is even revealed more. I'm not totally opposed, it just seems...unnecessary right now. Sergecross73 msg me 15:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
I think it's best to wait and see how much Ps4 pro sold in its first month. When the NPD results for November roll out that's when it'll be telling in my opinion. Osh33m (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add a link to the PS4 Models page

I just created a Wikipedia account to dump my PlayStation 4 models page information. I do not have a verified account and therefore can't edit the main PS4 page (and will likely forget before it is verified or aged). I realize that there is a lot of empty cells in the table and terribly formatted, but I am in no means a Wiki regular, and would just like to get the ball rolling so that it can eventually look like the PlayStation 3 models page. I will send traffic from certain subreddits and communities toward this page to help fix it up, as well as possibly contacting contributors to the PS3 models page to see if they might help. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derf Jagged (talk • contribs) 04:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Codename

What is PS4's codename?--66.50.4.27 (talk) 15:13, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Orbis — TPX 16:21, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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PlayStation 4
The PlayStation 4 is a home video game console developed by Sony Computer Entertainment. Released in 2013, it competes with Nintendo's Wii U and Microsoft's Xbox One, as part of the eighth generation of video game consoles. The console, which features an AMD Accelerated Processing Unit built upon the x86-64 architecture, places emphasis on social interaction and integration with other devices and services. The console was positively received, and by the end of 2016 more than 53 million consoles had been sold.Photograph: Evan Amos
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Business model and profitability

Should the article mention something about the profitability and business aspects of the console? I think some of it would fit into the Sales section. Some points of interest would be:

The History section should probably also mention that the PS4's hardware design was affected by the PS3's hardware being so difficult to take advantage of. Apparently Sony asked about 30 development teams what the PS4 should be like hardware-wise and this seems to have guided the development of the console significantly. Also an interesting tidbit from that article is that apparently the PS4's name back then was NGH (Next Generation Hardware). ----Veikk0.ma 16:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Exact nature of 4k rendering for PS4 Pro not mentioned.

Our claims that the PS4 Pro can native render games at 4K resolution is incomplete, as it is missing key details and caveats mentioned by reliable sources, i.e. the checkerboard rendering stuff.

Think we could elaborate this? ViperSnake151  Talk  20:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

As long as you can break it down into layman's terms, I don't see why not. Sergecross73 msg me 21:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Achieving consensus

Let’s make this quick: which is better?

  1. PlayStation 4 (abbreviated to PS4) is a
  2. PlayStation 4 (abbreviated as PS4) is a
  3. PlayStation 4, abbreviated to PS4, is a
  4. PlayStation 4, abbreviated as PS4, is a
  5. PlayStation 4 (PS4) is a
  6. PlayStation 4 is a

―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 02:24, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

5. PS4 is not just an abbreviation coined by media/users, but is an actual trademark of Sony, and these trademarks have been used as part of the overall branding of Sony's consoles since the PSone in 2000. Additionally, MOS:BOLDSYN instructs "Common abbreviations (in parentheses) are considered significant alternative names", and the example shown is consistent with #5. ViperSnake151  Talk  02:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Just because it’s an official abbreviation doesn’t mean “abbreviated to/as” is redundant. “PS4” is an abbreviation, regardless of how “official” it is.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 08:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
However, MOS does dictate the use of parentheses, which you have been removing on multiple articles. "As" is also common and consistent across multiple articles, and you seem to be on a unilateral quest to change it. My opinion is that #2 should remain, which is consistent with many GA and FA articles. I could be ok with #5. #3 and #4 are against the MOS, while #6 omits a significant alternative name. -- ferret (talk) 11:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are the use of commas in sentences like this against the MOS? Could you please give me the link to the appropriate MOS section?
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 11:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
ViperSnake literally linked you the MOS section above, and quoted it. I'm not here to debate why the MOS says something or not. It says it. If you want the MOS changed, you need to use those talk pages. -- ferret (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I did not read that part.

It says that parentheses should be used when the alternate name is not preceded by “abbreviated to/as” or anything of the sort. In the example directly above it, it uses commas: “Mumbai, also known as Bombay.”
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 11:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

We're not talking about an alternate name though, we're talking about abbreviations, which should be in parentheses. That said, re-reading the MOS example, I now lean towards #5. See also MOS:ACRO, which says "an acronym should be written out in full the first time it is used on a page, followed by the abbreviation in parentheses" -- ferret (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Per Viper and Ferret, five is best, two is acceptable if necessary for some sort of compromise. Sergecross73 msg me 12:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

As a final note, #5 was implemented on PS2, PS3 and PS4 articles, in accordance with MOS:BOLDSYN and MOS:ACRO. -- ferret (talk) 14:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The MOS states that abbreviations are classified as an alternative name. ViperSnake151  Talk  00:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

PS4 slim power

May be worth noting in the article the reduced power requirments of the PS4 "slim" ~165W vs 250W original.

Already added to technical specifications article, so if references needed try there.

ok. thanks.

Original Ps4 4k

Under hardware, it says this: "The original PS4 model can output in 4K and play multimedia in the format, but does not play games in 4K.[58][59]"

This is untrue. The original, and slim, Ps4 are NOT capable of 4k at all. They are capable of HDR in some capacity, but not 4k. Sitlet (talk) 04:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2017

In hardware section: There are two buttons on the Playstation 4, The power button and the eject button as can be seen in Figure x.

MtneerInTN (talk) 04:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Please file the request in a "please change X to Y" format. The request template above explicitly says any request that doesn't follow that format will be rejected. Thanks --Sau226 (talk) 10:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Pinging @MtneerInTN: for response before closure. JTP (talk • contribs) 16:55, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 Not done. In the 10+ hours since User:Sau226 responded with instructions to fix this request (and the 4+ hours since User:NotTheFakeJTP pressed again for more input), we've gotten nothing. The request was not correctly done and seems to be asking us to insert original research so I'm taking it out of the backlog. User:MtneerInTN is free to address these concerns and re-open this discussion. CityOfSilver 21:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Backward compatibility

The way the PS4 can play PS2 games downloaded from some station probably shouldn't count as backward compatibility. I mean doing so is no different than downloading games from the internet or playing a disc featuring a compilation of games played on an earlier system. Backward compatibility mostly refers to a console's ability to play cartridges and discs played on an older console. 107.77.230.150 (talk) 19:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The article doesn't currently say otherwise:
PlayStation 4 is not compatible with PlayStation 3 games directly.[127] Selected PS3 games are available for streaming via PlayStation Now.[128] On December 5, 2015, Sony first released emulated versions of selected PlayStation 2 games as digital purchases, upscaled to high definition and with support for PS4 social features.[129] PlayStation 4 is, otherwise, not compatible with PS2 games.[129]
There's really not much room for misunderstanding here. It articulates the situation. Sergecross73 msg me 19:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with the contents. The title of the section feels backward, though. Heh, pun not consciously intended. I'll take a stab at an improvement. Digital Brains (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I reverted your controversial edit. It feels non-neutral to single out its lack of capabilities in this manner. It is also wrong to say there is none at all (in a traditional sense that's correct), it's just that PS2 games must be emulated, repackaged and resold for PS4 (not unlike Virtual Console on Wii), and PS3 games are only available through subscription on-demand streaming. ViperSnake151  Talk  20:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I just tried to match title to contents, I don't see how that is opinionated, but whatever. Thanks for your improvements to the contents of the section, I think it reads much clearer now. Digital Brains (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
A subject heading of "backwards compatibility" does not establish positive confirmation of backwards compatibility as a feature itself, it merely highlights the general subject being discussed in the section. Sergecross73 msg me 21:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I actually agree my edit was not an improvement. I wasn't sure it was when I made the edit, I just tried to get rid of potential confusion. Later, I came to the conclusion it was not the way to go. But the way you ViperSnake151 phrased it, I felt you they were perhaps saying I tried to make the PS4 look bad, which is absolutely not the case. And that stung a bit. Digital Brains (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Try to take edit notes neutrally. There's not a lot of space to right notes out and they're typically very terse. Take it at face value "This could be seen a POV" rather than "You are pushing POV". -- ferret (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
IP was possibly referring more to the infobox backwards capability field, however it seems to be clearly labelled as emulated. -- ferret (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Well does the emulated thing on the infobox really count as backward compatibility? 107.77.228.38 (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Does it really matter? Most readers care more about the actual functionality than the technicalities of how to label it. In that context, the reader is generally better served by noting the streaming or downloads than giving a flat "no" answer. Sergecross73 msg me 17:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
In the PS3 and Xbox 360 library, there's a title called Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection which is a compilation of selected Sega Genesis games. Because the PS3 and Xbox 360 can play games in that compilation, does that count as backward compatibility? I think the idea of downloading games from a service is no different. Personally I have no problems with things like downloading or any kind of emulation. I'm just wondering if such approach fits the definition. 107.77.228.38 (talk) 18:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I think there's a pretty clear difference between mentioning an entire service (PS Now, PS2 on PS4 downloads) while clearly labeling how its different, and listing off every single video game compilation on a console. Like I said - if someone merely included "PlayStation 3 games" without any context, I'd completely see your point. But the exact means, methods, and limitations are clearly stated. There's no room for misunderstanding here. As as such, the approach works. Sergecross73 msg me 18:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I think that the infobox is misleading. To me, backwards compatibility means that if you own a Playstation 2 game, you can play it on your PS4. If the hardware isn't directly compatible, that would typically involve emulation. But re-releasing PS2 and PS3 games packaged together with an emulator (or perhaps by partial porting) is not backward compatibility, it's just a re-release of an old game. You will need to buy it again or pay for a subscription, regardless of whether you already own it for PS2. At most, the infobox should state Backward compatibility: re-releases of select PS2 and PS3 titles if you insist it should be mentioned there. But it would be more true to just say Backward compatibility: no if you ask me. Again, to me, backward compatibility means that if you own a PS2 or PS3 game, you can play it on the PS4 as well. As far as I can tell, this isn't true. Digital Brains (talk) 14:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
It currently says PlayStation Now cloud-based emulation and PS2 emulation in the infobox. If you want to somehow wiki-link to List of PS Now games and/or List of PlayStation 2 games for PlayStation 4 to indicate the limitations of game compatibility through these services, then I guess I'd be fine with that, though that's already well-documented in the body itself. But otherwise, all other details are articulated just fine. Sergecross73 msg me 14:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Serge, I think we're focussing on different aspects of the arguments brought forth here. I'm not focussing on which titles are available and which are not, backwards compatibility doesn't imply it works for all games. Rather, I'm focussing on the aspect of having bought a game already or not. If I own a specific PS2 game, I cannot play that on PS4, I will need to buy it again. I will pay the same as someone who does not own the PS2 game. My PS2 game is worthless in regard to my PS4; I will have to connect my PS2 to my TV to play it. That's the difference between backward compatibility and re-releasing a game. Digital Brains (talk) 14:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I actually agree that its misleading. If its not true backwards compatibility but downloaded emulated titles, shouldn't be in the Infobox. This is similar to how we don't allow released dates or platforms for emulated Xbox One backwards compatibility to be in game's infoboxes. -- ferret (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I hadn't thought of how we handle it with Xbox One. I'm not particularly a fan of that either, but as you say, there is a consensus to handle it that way with Xbox One. Perhaps a compromise of removing from the infobox, but keeping in the body of the article? That'd be consistent with how other things are handled. I do believe it's going to be a constant maintenance project though, to keep it out of the infobox. Sergecross73 msg me 14:54, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, keep it in the body, it's useful information.Digital Brains (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh it definitely belongs in the body, same as Xbox One compatibility. Just not sure it belongs in the infobox really. Out of the box, PS4 is not compatible with any of your old media. -- ferret (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Is my edit agreeable to you? I tried to succinctly address the availability of games. Obviously "compatibility: no" is awkward, but it's not prose, it's a table, I thought it preferable over being verbose. Digital Brains (talk) 11:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I reverted. That's worse. It still alludes to emulation, with out explaining what it's alluding too. That seems like a compromise that would leave both sides unhappy. Why would it be okay to say "emulation" but not say what the emulation (PS Now, Ps2 on PS4) is? Sergecross73 msg me 11:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm fine with no; titles available through PlayStation Now cloud-based emulation and PS2 emulation, but it seems rather verbose for such a small box. I'm fine with mentioning them, the length was my only misgiving. I did not realise you wanted it mentioned there as well as in the article. Is perhaps no; titles available through PlayStation Now cloud-based emulation and PS2 emulation the best compromise then? Digital Brains (talk) 12:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I have no objection to that. Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Then I hope everybody is at least somewhat happy :-) Digital Brains (talk) 07:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Criticism

This article look written like an advert. For example there are no badpoints pointed. E.g. it is of course written something between "how good this console is", that "playing CD is unsupported", but there is no example that should be. May it look like: "Playing CD is(unlike to PS3) unsupported which lead to strange situations, like that players who bought collectors/extended edition of Wiedźmin(The Witcher) can't play attached CD on console. It lacks also other bad points - e.g. critics about lack of analog video out, despite some graphics cards even from 2018 have it. Many users thinked that external port on photos was for analog video out, especially because still component monitors are used. Other similar problems are with DVI monitors - the console puts itself into "cinematic mode" and without entering service mode(it needs to use HDMI monitor), it is not possible to play on many of monitors. Even after that chosing 4:3 is not possible. This problem for example is not from hardware, but software.

Also in this discussion about this article we had info about "playing PS2 games". First it looked completely like a lie - try to insert original PS2 game disc and play games. Especially this is also against PS3, which was more for the players, and first consoles had PS2, and all have PSX games playing possibilty. Now it look little better, but still lacks the info that PS4 is capable of playing games PS2, but this was turned off as a marketing trick to sell the same games as a "digital purchase", despite many players wanted to play they games- read the attached references.[1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.33.99 (talk) 09:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Soon-Able-Play-PS2-Games-100427.html
  2. ^ http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/01/22/ps4-hacked-game-mods-ps2-emulation/
  3. ^ https://www.wikihow.com/Play-PS2-Games-on-a-PS3

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Digital Brains (talk) 09:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019

186.208.141.52 (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: No request was made. aboideautalk 17:35, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

4K support ps4/slim

The sources are from 2013 when ps4 was not released. It cant play youtube/netflix at 4k or show pictures in 4k.[1] ' sony claims it can stream up to 4k content but this is still TBD' Shadow4dark (talk) 09:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hardware_Specs#Console_Hardware_Specifications

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2020

PS4 sales in Italy 3M by the end of 2018 instead of 500k by the end of 2014. Bigpalia (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigpalia:  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GoingBatty (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Hardware revision timeline

I think it'd be a good idea to tweak the colours on the timeline box as PS4 and Slim are quite similar to each other, and they are both tricky to see on some monitors on the white background. I'd do it myself but I've no idea how to edit those things! Brooza (talk) 11:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. Anyone else agree as well? Skater Ricky (talk) 09:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2020

It was released in Nov of 2012 I bought one in January of 2013 still have the Walmart receipt 98.124.108.30 (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- ferret (talk) 21:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Grammatical Mistake

This is my first time doing one of these so I'm sorry if I do it wrong. I hope I did this right.

In the introduction, specifically the second last sentence, there is a grammatical error, "By the October 2019, PS4 became the second best-selling home game console of all time, behind PlayStation 2." It's rather obvious and just a quick fix away: just remove 'the' and have it read "By October 2019..."

Pyraxil (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)Pyraxil

Done — Niche-gamer 16:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2020

Freeze0820 (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I need to put it in the 2020s toys category because it's still going on production this decade.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TurboSonic (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2020

Dates in intro paragraph should have dates with year included because of how search engines (expressly google) parse information. Thus, a request to google search now results in the release date for the PS4 to be "November 14" when it would be more accurate and complete to say "November 14, 2013". I suggest the first paragraph is changed to the following. Thanks.


The PlayStation 4 (PS4) is an eighth-generation home video game console developed by Sony Computer Entertainment. Announced as the successor to the PlayStation 3 in February 2013, it was launched on November 15, 2013 in North America, November 29, 2013 in Europe, South America and Australia, and on February 22, 2014 in Japan. It competes with Microsoft's Xbox One and Nintendo's Wii U and Switch. 12.118.196.90 (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done. --Masem (t) 13:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image to JPEG

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T192744

I changed the infobox image from a PNG to a JPEG version of the same image. The general recommendation is to use JPEG for photographic images, and PNG for things like line art for which a JPEG thumbnail would cause noticeable compression artifacts. This is due to how the Wikimedia software generates thumbnails for different image file formats: JPEG images get JPEG thumbnails with sharpening added (which makes for perceptually more detailed/less blurry thumbnails), while PNG images get PNG thumbnails with no sharpening (which is more conductive to the kind of content the PNG file format is recommended to be used for). If you're interested in the details, you can read the Phabricator issue report.

The only drawback is that since JPEG doesn't support transparency, the infobox image now has a white background instead of a transparent one. If you want to compare the look of a PNG infobox image vs the JPEG one, you can compare the old revision to the new one. --Veikk0.ma 12:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

While you are generally correct that JPEG is generally better for photographic images, it is not required, and at this size, the small "faults" of the thumbnail are practically impossible to make out for the average reader to require a change, and lose the transparency. If we were talking an image that was more "natural" like a full blown natural photograph where the JPEG compression methods would be ideal, that would be the right move, but here, we're looking at something where JPEG vs PNG doesn't affect the image all that much, and PNG gives us an advantage (the transparency) --Masem (t) 14:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
That said, going back to other console articles, I do see most of them use the .jpg version of the consoles, without transparency, so it makes sense to be consistent here - at least until this bug is resolved. --Masem (t) 15:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
With Wikipedia's current theme, I don't think a white image on a light grey background is very noticeable either. If there was a dark theme, it might be a different story.
However, if a dark theme ever gets implemented, transparency itself would become an issue in many cases. A dark object like the PS4 is more difficult to distinguish against a dark background vs a light one that provides more contrast. --Veikk0.ma 17:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2020

In the second paragraph under section 2.1 Technical Specifications, there is a sentence that says "The original PS4 model can output in 4K and play multimedia in the format, but does not play games in 4K.[62][63]"

This is factually incorrect and those sources given are pre-launch press coverage articles. The official PS4 FAQ from the time of launch (some 7, 8 months after the currently cited sources) indicates that 4K resolution is NOT supported by the original PS4 (or the Slim version, for that matter).

I therefore request that the sentence highlighted above be changed to: "The original PS4 model does not support video output in 4K resolution, neither for multimedia playback (movies and photos) nor for gameplay.[xx]" And the source is: https://blog.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/ Recmont (talk) 05:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. I did a little rewording to include the Pro model here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

I would like to edit out some of the false information and replace it with true information. 206.176.120.129 (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done - Please provide the content you'd like to change and we can make it before you if it's appropriate. Sergecross73 msg me 18:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Edits like this make me think we are right in limiting your access to editing the article. Please don't waste our time with that sort of silliness, or you'll be blocked from editing this talk page too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2021

Current: The PlayStation 4 was released to critical acclaim, with critics praising Sony for acknowledging its consumers' needs, embracing independent game development, and for not imposing the restrictive digital rights management schemes like those originally announced by Microsoft for the Xbox One. Critics and third-party studios, before its launch, also praised the capabilities of the PlayStation 4 in comparison to its competitors; developers described the performance difference between the console and Xbox One as "significant" and "obvious." Heightened demand also helped Sony top global console sales. By October 2019, PS4 became the second best-selling home game console of all time, behind the PlayStation 2.

Suggestion: The PlayStation 4 was released to critical acclaim, with critics praising Sony for acknowledging its consumers' needs and embracing independent game development. Critics and third-party studios, before its launch, also praised the capabilities of the PlayStation 4 in comparison to its competitors; developers described the performance difference between the console and Xbox One as "significant" and "obvious." Heightened demand also helped Sony top global console sales. By October 2019, PS4 became the second best-selling home game console of all time, behind the PlayStation 2.

Although the PS4 was also praised by the entirety of the gaming populous for not imposing the restrictive digital rights management schemes upon release like those originally announced by Microsoft for the Xbox One, in spring of 2021 it was discovered that DRM does exist on the console if the system wasn't connected to the internet for check-up and had a dead CMOS-battery for the clock that influenced the DRM (collectively referred to as a "C-bomb"), which would also lock out physical games.[1] The revelation resulted in controversy among retro enthusiasts and media preservationists while the general gaming community felt as though they were retroactively lied to in marketing. The PS5 (which is backwards compatible with the system) is currently reported to not have any C-bombing or physical lockout DRM with either generation of games. 2A02:A449:5360:1:9537:6657:CAB:79BA (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This is certainly WP:DUE for the lead. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://in.ign.com/playstation-5-playstation-5/157655/feature/ps5-games-cbomb-sony-preservation-ps4-vita-ps3. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
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