Talk:Elden Ring

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2023

Change "Elden Ring was both a critical and commercial success, winning several Game of the Year awards" To "Elden Ring was both a critical and commercial success, it holds the record for most Game of the Year awards" YouSnooze (talk) 00:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now:. You need to cite a source for that. The Night Watch (talk) 00:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/01/04/elden-ring-just-passed-the-last-of-us-part-2-in-total-game-of-the-year-awards/?sh=7303aed333e8

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/01/elden-ring-dominates-god-of-war-ragnarok-in-goty-awards-breaks-the-last-of-us-2s-record

https://goty.gamefa.com/

Third party tracking cite which records all the awards and provides a link/ source to them, in addition to the media outlets reporting on a forum tracking the awards. This is similar to how the Witcher 3's page as well as The Last of Us 2's page is sourced which both used media outlets reporting on the record as well as a third part tracking cite as a source that provided all the links to the awards. For example on TLOU2's page

https://www.vg247.com/last-us-part-2-witcher-3-awards

https://www.gameawards.net/2020/09/2020.html

This article which used a tracker as a source was enough to add the title of "most awarded GOTY game" to TLOU2, similarly above are articles and a tracker. Halciyon (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Any updates on this? Multiple sources have already been posted and the game has a staggering 30% more GOTY awards than the previous record-holder.

It's even in the wiki of the previous record holder (TLOU2) that Elden Ring holds the record, should be mentioned in the award section with links to sources above.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/The_Last_of_Us_Part_II 178.84.210.208 (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

The Award season has started, can this be updated? 178.84.210.208 (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Most Awarded Game of the Year game

https://www.gamesradar.com/elden-ring-surpasses-the-last-of-us-2-as-the-most-awarded-game-of-the-year-recipient/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=gamesradar

Here is a source for the claim that it has received this title. This happened to day and more stories are likely to follow, but this is seemingly a reliable source which backs their reporting up with a link to the research done to calculate this. Yasuda Sayo (talk) 01:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

The research is based on ResetEra, a user forum, which is not going to fly for us. Masem (t) 03:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

All three sources (107, 108, 109) on The Last of Us Part II's page point to articles that reference https://www.gameawards.net/, a site with unclear ownership that hasn't updated for 2022. It seems questionable whether this site is an authoritative source to me, but it's regardless a seemingly outdated one, and thus relying on it for this statistic could be a growing problem as time goes on.

It's not set in stone, though, so I don't think switching immediately is a good idea (some more articles have been posted, such as by Forbes, but they all use the ResetEra research as far as I can tell. Hopefully someone else looks into this). Yasuda Sayo (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Further To this, this for 2022, there is an active site https://goty.gamefa.com/ that corroborates, the ResetEra forum and the media articles, the website also links to all the awards mentioned Halciyon (talk) 02:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

The website that the previous source used "Gameawards.net" was also done via resetera

see the years GameAwards.Net was active here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2021-video-game-awards-season-tracking-and-discussion-thread.503091/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2020-media-awards-season-tracking-and-discussion-thread.320668/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gotypicks-2019-tracking-and-discussion-thread.153316/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-awards-season-begins-2018-goty-list-aggregate-thread.85709/

Every year since they have been tracked it has been done by individual open users on ResetEra, the only difference is that the GameAwards.Net website stopped being updated so they made a new one which is https://goty.gamefa.com/

Same people, same source. 178.84.210.208 (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Further To this, this for 2022, there is an active site https://goty.gamefa.com/ that corroborates, the ResetEra forum and the media articles, the website also links to all the awards mentioned Halciyon (talk) 02:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The website that the previous source used "Gameawards.net" was also done via resetera

see the years GameAwards.Net was active here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2021-video-game-awards-season-tracking-and-discussion-thread.503091/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2020-media-awards-season-tracking-and-discussion-thread.320668/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gotypicks-2019-tracking-and-discussion-thread.153316/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-awards-season-begins-2018-goty-list-aggregate-thread.85709/

Every year since they have been tracked it has been done by individual open users on ResetEra, the only difference is that the GameAwards.Net website stopped being updated so they made a new one which is https://goty.gamefa.com/

All the forum posts above are public and visible, every single GOTY award posted on the new website can be clicked on and will redirect you to the official link of an outlet/magazine giving their vote so they all and each can be verified, every single one. 178.84.210.208 (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

was this ever gonna get a mention/edit? it is on the TLOU2 page which is outdated by now. 2A02:A212:A2CB:5380:C44D:37B3:194E:CCBC (talk) 03:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Marika's alter-ego and Ranni's ending

Radagon does not possess Marika's body, they are two personalities in a single body, there's a hidden statue that literally carries the message "Radagon is Marika." Maybe alter-ego is not the most appropriate word on this as they might act in conflict with each other (Marika shatters the Elden Ring and Radagon tries fixing it) but "possess" is even more wrong.

As for the Ranni's ending change, her dialogue makes it clear:

私の律は、黄金ではない。星と月、冷たい夜の律だ
“My order will not be of gold, but of the stars and moon, and chill night.”
…私はそれを、この地から遠ざけたいのだ
“…I want to keep it far away from this land.”
生命と魂が、律と共にあるとしても、それは遥かに遠くにあればよい
“…Even if life and souls are one with the order, it (the order) could be kept far away.”
確かに見ることも、感じることも、信じることも、触れることも …すべて、できない方がよい
“If it was not possible to clearly see, feel, believe in, or touch the order… That would be better.”

and

To every living being, and every living soul.
Now cometh the age of the stars. A thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the Moon

177.190.77.57 (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

This point of contention was actually first introduced by myself in 2022, with a discussion in Archive 1. We ought to keep it in the simplest terms beyond interpretation: that they cohabitate a body. We don't know if Ragadon is an alternative personality, we don't know if he's possessing her; we just know they share a body. BOTTO _(T•C) 03:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Shadow of the Erdtree

I recommend adding a section for the DLC that will becoming out in a few months. There is now an official trailer, images, characters and additional information that could be mentioned in the mean time. Phlogistonatorspam (talk) 17:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I would like a plot synopsis as well 2A00:23C5:EDB1:1:B465:6C20:CA4C:953A (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding DLC information, 6 endings, adding the main bosses with their lores, and speed runs

Was wondering if this was fine to add since information about the dlc has come out and from the looks of the six endings there isn't much information jot down. I recommend adding the main bosses lore since it is so pivotal to the storyline and including descriptions of speed run tactics on the game. ~~~~ IAintReadingALLThat (talk) 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. See some of the comments below for some guidance on this. Sergecross73 msg me 01:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

3 Additional Endings Not Mentioned

I was planning on making some edits to include information about the three other endings not mentioned in the current synopsis of the plot: - Blessing of Despair Ending: Mending Rune of the Fell Curse (Dung Eater) - Age of Order: Mending Rune of Perfect Order (Goldmask) - Age of the Duskborn: Mending Rune of the Death-Prince (Fia)

I believe such an edit makes sense to make. Bellbearinghunter (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but please see WP:VG/PLOTfor guidance. If added, it should be rather brief within the word limits given there. Sergecross73 msg me 01:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Improving Clarity Regarding the Collection of Great Runes

I think making some edits to improve clarity regarding Great Rune collection would make improvements. Currently, the synopsis states: "The Hold's benefactor, the Two Fingers, instructs the Tarnished to collect the Great Runes and bring them to the Erdtree, where they can be used to repair the Elden Ring.".

This current analysis is fairly misleading as it implies that all Great Runes must be collected by the player to repair the Elden Ring. This is not the case as the player needs only 3 Great Runes to complete the game. Those being Morgott's Great Rune, and any two preceding Great Runes to get there. Beyond that, the player may complete the game without the collection of another great rune. Bellbearinghunter (talk) 02:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

While we should definitely correct any inaccuracies in the article, we have to keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a Game Guide. We explain the general premise of a game, but we don't give advice on how to play the game. Sergecross73 msg me 01:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Add Notable Elden Ring Speed Runs and Glitches

Almost every game has a speed run dedicated to it, so creating a section describing the current tactics, players, and times for Elden Ring speed runs would be relevant to the game and category. Many glitches are related to Elden Ring speed runs, which are also relevant to every game. Thus, adding a section related to notable glitches within the Elden Ring would also be feasible. RoyBokChoy (talk) 13:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. While not impossible to include, long story short, this will likely be difficult to add. On Wikipedia, we can only add what is verified by reliable sources. That's generally websites that are professional publications - think IGN or Eurogamer. If you catch websites like that covering it - lots of examples of viable websites at WP:VG/S - it could be argued that a mention is due. But the problem is that much of this sort of stuff is relegated to YouTubers and social media users. And if they're the only ones talking about it, then it's usually deemed not important enough to be included on Wikipedia. They're considered WP:USERG-content, which isn't allowed to be used as a source on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 01:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Just an FYI to you, as well as the other new editors posing questions above: the Elden Ring article is a "good article" (notice the at the top), which means it has been peer reviewed to ensure it meets certain quality standards. I'm not saying it can't be improved, but typically the improvement opportunities in articles like these are more nuanced. For new editors like yourselves, unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, making improvements may be a struggle. You may get more enjoyment from editing articles that are in poorer quality. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 05:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 and TarkusAB: After checking WP:VG/SE, there are three pages of sources about Elden Ring speedruns, but they seem to all be from March/April 2022, with one coming from July. Do you think that this warrants inclusion? I think that we could probably make room for a paragraph or subsection in Reception. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I have no opposition to a relatively brief amount of content about it that's reliably sourced. I can't say I 100% know what that looks like that though, as it's not the sort of thing I personally tend to write about. (There's rarely coverage to write about it at all on my experience.) Sergecross73 msg me 00:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hard to answer your question because you did not share the sources. Just avoid WP:GAMEGUIDE content explaining speedrun strategies and glitches. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 00:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I will work on adding a small mention tomorrow. This game had a surprising amount of news updates on the record. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@RoyBokChoy, TarkusAB, and Sergecross73: I added a subsection to the Reception section. There are a few things I left out, like a 2.5 hour speedrun before the sub-1 hour speedrun, but I think it should suffice. If anything, it could probably be trimmed a bit. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It's fine, just not all that interesting. "Someone beat the game in 28 minutes. Later, someone beat it in 12 minutes. Then, after that, someone beat it in 5 minutes." This could be summed up as, "The game is popular with speedrunning. Speedrunners have been able to beat the game as quickly as 5 minutes using a glitch called the zip glitch which does xyz. Since the glitch was patched, speedrunners use earlier builds of the game to compete." Those are the only interesting bits. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: I made some changes, and merged the sub-section with the rest of Reception. What do you think? I personally think that mentioning when they passed a specific milestone (30 minutes, in this case) can be useful to show how quickly the record progressed. Some people would find the older version interesting, as proven by how many views Summoning Salt gets on YouTube, but I will concede that it is not the most encyclopedic. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I shortened it. Milestones like 30 minutes are completely arbitrary. What is significant is the glitch, and how quickly people can beat the game using it. (In this case, five minutes). TarkusAB^talk/contrib 21:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Shadow of the Erdtree

Shouldn't SOTE have its own page? It's probably the most hyped DLC and the contents will be huge just like The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine. 37.231.32.100 (talk) 11:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There isn't much information to build a separate page at the moment, but I expect that an article can be made eventually considering the scope of the DLC. The Night Watch (talk) 13:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There certainly is now. Neocorelight (Talk) 06:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The Names of the Demigods

Rather surprised to see that most of the names of the Demigods aren't even mentioned. I mean, two of them even have their own wikipedia pages. I think it could fit in the Premise section, saying something like "her demigod children, such as Starscourge Radahn and Malenia, began fighting over pieces of the Ring in an event called The Shattering"

 Done: I personally don't think they deserve independent articles but they should be linked as long as they do. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Shadow of the Erdtree is out

Elden Ring's DLC, Shadow of the Erdtree, was released about a month ago, yet has no article. All the other FromSoft DLCs have their own articles (though the three Dark Souls II DLCs are in one article).

SOTE is a substantial DLC, and I'd say important enough to warrant an article of its own. KingoftheFishies (talk) 00:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This should definitely have a page of its own, it's considered by some to be the greatest DLC ever and bordering its own separate game. Spikesjb (talk) 02:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It's now mid-November and there's still no Shadow of the Erdtree article. Not even a section about it here. A wild omission at this point. 2600:1700:3C60:38F0:305A:804E:E8FA:EC2C (talk) 09:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd normally be hesitant on whether or not a DLC requires its own article some of the time, but Shadow of the Erdtree seems to be one that absolutely warrants one, especially when it was (for some reason) just nominated for Game of the Year. I'm not familiar with Elden Ring, so I don't think it'd be within jurisdiction to create an article on something related to it, but I think it should definitely have an article at this point. It's absolutely notable. λ NegativeMP1 19:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)