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This article and an attempted series article split (Baten Kaitos (series))

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


An editor just attempted to split out content from this article to create a series article. However, the general consensus has been that a series article is not necessary unless there are at least 3 games. We really just have 2 actual games, and upcoming bare bones remaster, and some minor bits about an aborted third entry. Additionally, this article is currently nowhere near needing a WP:SIZESPLIT. Sergecross73 msg me 12:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Bringing up Left 4 Dead feels very "other thing exists." As Serge notes, the unsuccessful deletion discussion wasn't a declaration that two games was the standard to aim for, it was that there are circumstances that may call for exceptions to common practice. The reason why people felt that Left 4 Dead was an exception to common practice is not the reason why Baten Kaitos might. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 12:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Split, as Serge points out there are exceptions, but this isn't one of them. A niche JRPG duology that's getting a remaster plus one cancelled entry that can be dealt with in a paragraph of text or less isn't what I'd call worthy of a series article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the points raised by other editors in this discussion. Haleth (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are times when splitting a topic into more articles only makes it harder to follow, and this is one of them. It makes sense to have an article for the game, and an article for the follow-up. The cancelled entry is best dealt with in a paragraph. As an aside, I think the Left for Dead franchise article is pretty poor, and an ineffective way to organize the topic, but that's WP:OTHERSTUFF. Shooterwalker (talk) 12:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - A series article is problematic when you have only two installments (and even when you have 3-5 installments in the majority of cases) because it's hard to find coverage establishing that the series even exists, much less has notability independent from its component installments, and even harder to come up with content that wouldn't comfortably fit within the article for one installment or the other. Looking over the initial draft for the article, those two problems seem to apply just as much to Baten Kaitos as to any other two-part series.--Martin IIIa (talk) 21:42, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2023 sources

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https://gonintendo.com/contents/22946-bandai-namco-was-originally-against-the-name-baten-kaitos - Hopefully other websites will report on this. Sergecross73 msg me 02:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/07/baten-kaitos-title-was-initially-disliked-by-bandai-namco Sergecross73 msg me 11:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]