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who were Avicii's enemies?

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how much money did he owe? CorvetteZ51 (talk) 09:15, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


"Charitable Works" or Philanthropy

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What's the difference here? Isn't "Philanthropy" usually used for Wiki articles?

FEED was started by Lauren Bush, it's not the same organization as Feeding America. Did he give money to FEED or did he give money to Feeding America?

His name

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So I love when Wikipedia has pronunciation guides, but "pronounced as Av-ee-ch-ii" is totally ambiguous. 'ii' is not a conventional spelling of any sound in English and therefore should not be used. Anyone else know? cullen (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It should be pronounced "Av-ee-ch-ee". 87.254.76.220 (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, many bergling's changed or used the name berg instead of their real surname due to the spy and 'traitor' stig bergling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.86.142 (talk) 15:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Malo?

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no mention of the single "Malo" in here? :( --84.62.153.102 (talk) 01:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see "Bom" anywhere here either, and what about the single "Flying Boff" with DJ Daaar? 87.254.76.220 (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verification?

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Taken from article: "Surprisingly enough, Bergling has admitted many times that even he hates techno music; stating that it is annoying and hurts his head. Contrary to popular belief, Berling actually listens to Blink 182 while performing."

Where has he admitted this several times? Removing from the article, please feel free to place it back in once a source is found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.145.27.105 (talk) 06:05, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably rubbish. People who produce techno music obviously like techno music; otherwise they wouldn't make it and instead Bergling would go and be a wanna-be punk with the rest of Blink 182 and Green Day, ect. I think that this person is just a fan of pop music and decided to make out that Avicii liked them too after he heard Levels on the radio like everybody else who actually doesn't like Avicii, but likes this song! I was listening to Tim Berg before Avicii came out! 87.254.76.220 (talk) 21:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tim's music is not "techno." It is more of a dance-ish, house-ish sound. He has not produced any techno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.183.141 (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References in the "Touring" section

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There's a list of "Avicii appeared at XYZ" in there. Some have references, many do not. The unreferenced entries should be referenced or deleted per WP:V. I've removed the POV claim that the Dragon-i is "world famous"; Avicii's appearance there is marginally WP:CRYSTAL anyway, and can't be verified from the http://www.dragon-i.com.hk/ website (whose "upcoming events" section is under construction). 86.159.118.40 (talk) 00:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can I add further that such a list of where Avicii has toured is not necessary. We cannot keep adding every tour stop ever to this list or the wiki would be just too long as well as incredibly and unnecessarily in-depth. Can someone knowledgeable on the subject please clean-up that section, put it into a table, or even create a new page for it?
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Zadora13 (talk) 04:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Touring

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Is it really necessary to have every single place Avicii has played in listed? Might as well just take a picture of his passport. Could someone who is knowledgeable in his tour dates please clean it up? Zadora13 (talk) 02:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GOSSIP COLUMN WARNING

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Can someone please monitor the minion deleting the citation requests. Minion: I hate to break it to you, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that only allows CITED published material. The reason I am inserting these requests for citation, is to prove that the infomration is or isn't ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I'm sorry but this is just how Wikipedia works, regardless if you think the data is useful or not. Even the DJs themselves, that I am referencing, aren't allowed to have their minions come on here and create a gossip column for them. Wikipedia is not a gossip column written by fans of DJs, who want to start a career in journalism. Wikipedia is also not a free advertisement mechanism to be used by 'dj followers' keeping tabs on their master. When you provide a citation, do not use this as an opportunity to delete all other citation requests in the paragraph. Please provide the citations for each sentence. I will remind you, that it is important that the data is legally sourced. Wikipedia technically might be sued otherwise, and none of us want this.

RE: DISCOGS AS A SOURCE. Discogs is a viable source, as a recording is technically published. However, discogs as a citation cannot be used as a makeshift source to support original research. Meaning if a writer fathoms delusions in his head, about a specific release, then publishes it on Wikipedia, the data has to clearly be accessible visually on discogs, and be absent of peacock minion terminology. What I mean is, the writing on Wikipedia could state: "John Doe released a CD titled Rave Mania in 1993. Then provide the citation. But if a DJ worshipper starts obsessively writing hype about their master, this ORIGINAL RESEARCH is not allowed - hence we are getting into gossip column territory. Wikipedia is not the National Enquirer.Danceking5 (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Info under the music header

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The page accredits Levels to Swedish House Mafia, says 'The song was written by Swedish House Mafia, Deadmau5, and Skrillex' and cites a vocal sample... I don't know the details of Levels so I won't change it but for those who do, please edit ASAP! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.200.81 (talk) 16:39, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Someone put his own name as an associated act ?

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Someone put his own name as an associated act ? Brendan Ganesan?? The person is absolutely unknown and has no conenction to Avicii... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.206.54 (talk) 13:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

amd now 2 min ago somoeone just added Sebastien Drums as well, unconnected... sorry I am not a wikipedian and dont know how to delete... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.206.54 (talk) 13:37, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jeezuz man... stop writing this bullshit about them being "unconnected". If you really don't know, then just google avicii+sebastien. Hint: You'll get well over 10 million hits... 78.108.52.23 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trance

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Just because he remixed an Armin Van Buuren's song,does not mean at all that he's a trance producer.That remix had nothing at all to do with trance music Gmirakis (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

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Is there any photo that we can put for this article? Nancyinthehouse (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Needed

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I can see tha citations are still needed for 2010-2011. Does anyone have any reliable source that can be included there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nancyinthehouse (talk • contribs) 02:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2014

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Displacing Armin Van Buuren to no. 2 122.166.173.86 (talk) 12:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2014

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Dieshu (talk) 12:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC) Andrei Chirilov (born 25 March 1996), better known by his stage name Dieshu A.C. , is a Moldovan DJ, remixer.[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change, and this information does not appear to relate to the subject of this article.
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014

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Please change "2007 - 2009 Career Beginnings" to "2007 Career beginnings"

Please add "2008 to 2011"

Then please add "In early 2008 Vicious Recordings label owner and A&R manager Andy Van visited Sweden while on tour with his act Vandalism and consequently Vicious signed Avicii in May 2008. 10 singles were released with the label beginning with “The Sound Of Now”, followed by “Muja”, “So Excited”, “Even” (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums), “Bom”, “My Feelings For You” (again with Sebastien Drums and which was Avicii’s first number one single on Beatport), “Malo” “Streetdancer”, “Snus” (another collaboration with Sebastien Drums) and his final Vicious Recordings release “Jailbait” in May 2011. During this period Vicious licensed the various singles to be released by other labels including Ultra Recordings (USA), AATW (UK), Blanco Y Negro (Spain), SPG Records (Canada), Spinnin (Holland), Superstar Recordings (Germany), Vidisco (Portugal), Time Recordings (Italy), Lifted Music (Scandanavia) and Work Machine (France). Avicii also released several tracks on other labels while signed to Vicious including “Ryu” and “Strutnut” on Mixmash and his debut as Tim Berg “Fade Into Darkness”.

Itunes Australia will have all the single release dates, as will Beatport, for all Vicious releases. Licensed singles will appear on the other labels releases (Ultra released single on Itunes USA / AATW singles on Itunes UK).

120.149.149.125 (talk) 01:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 12:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2014

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Nearing the end of the 2013–present: True, Avicii By Avicii and Coldplay section, it states the release date for Addicted To You as April 7th when in fact, it was released the 27th of November 2013 to Australian Radio. [1] Nichirob (talk) 18:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Sam Sailor Sing 05:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just edited that section Arnold.kevin729 (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Upcoming album and songs

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Tim Bergling, also known as Avicii, posted an Instagram post indicating that there are upcoming songs, which may be featured on the next album. Since the article is semi-protective, only an editor/admin can change some of the latest news about upcoming songs. See his instagram. This was confirmed through his Facebook and he has released teasers of the new songs prior to his upcoming EP that will be released on the 10th August.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2017

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Can you please update the info about his 3rd album? 2001:569:726C:100:C048:B42B:C43B:B47 (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018 (death date)

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Avicii died on April 20th 2018, not 2017. Araoro (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Mz7 (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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Pants1337 (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: no content, about his death is being handled Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Full protection is now active

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Since a good amount of editors are failing to provide any references required in order to make these edits per Wikipedia's BLP policy, the page is now fully protected. Once reliable sources are listed here, I'll consider lowering it. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References that meet the requirements outlined in WP:BLPRS have since been provided here, and the edit protection has been lowered to extended confirmed protection. I owe a sincere "thank you" to those that took the time to locate and list sources here so that the information could be verified. BLP is taken very seriously on Wikipedia, and full protection became necessary when edits from confirmed and extended confirmed editors came pouring in and were adding death dates and details without any references cited at all to support the content - that's a huge no-no! Please keep this in mind in the future when making edits to BLPs to reflect information of this magnitude. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Avicii's death

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Avicii passed away today, 20 April 2018. Sources:

Admins, please add the sources. lovkal (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Checking... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looks legit to me. I've lowered the protection level on the article to extended confirmed protection. Thank you for taking the time to locate and list sources here. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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Avicii no longer active 76.14.173.151 (talk) 17:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Mz7 (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He's dead

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Unfortunately, it's true. He is no longer with us. His publicist has confirmed it.

- Jasonbres (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aswad, Jem (20 April 2018). "Avicii Dies at 28". Variety. Retrieved 20 April 2018. Gus PollyTC 17:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Death

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Someone needs to add in that he has passed away today.

https://pitchfork.com/news/avicii-dead-at-28/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Kivar (talk) 17:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To the one who's locked the article and who thinks that Avicii isn't dead and additions are just vandalism, here's a reference link from a real newspaper in English: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5639703/Avicii-dead-28-Swedish-DJ-Tim-Berglings-body-Oman-leaving-family-devastated.html --83.245.226.90 (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@VS6507: Why is his past mentioned unchronologically as well as being randomly in a death section? This could be relevant in the article, but putting next to the information about his death seems random and/or implying that it was a factor despite the preceding sentence saying otherwise. We should also make care with BLPs (that also applies to recently deceased) to use high quality sources and not tabloids, especially for conscientious claims. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. As you can see here there is an example what has led to death (under section Death) of the famous neurologist. So it would be appropriate to put the information about his illness before his death which is logical, and also there are certainly other sources confirming more or less what is said in the Sun. I will try to add as much as I can as more well referenced information as possible as new reliable sources come up. Vs6507 22:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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Is dead per 4/20 2018 (source) Jepsen (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Mz7 (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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Rachcaff (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:42, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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This artist is deceased. Proposed edit: (Swedish pronunciation: [tɪm ˈbærjˈlɪŋ]; born 8 September 1989, died 20 April 2018) SOURCE: http://www.tmz.com/2018/04/20/avicii-dead-28/ 104.162.198.250 (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Mz7 (talk) 18:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Years active

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Please change years active to 2018. Thank you. Edgarasb (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2018

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Avicii died at the age of 28 on 20th of April 2018. Kevinm2710 (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sad S-NiTrOgEn (talk) 18:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Mz7 (talk) 18:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Avicii's name

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It is spelled incorrect. (sorry for my spelling)It schould be spelled Avicii, not Avicci. This shifts thruout the whole text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.209.61.201 (talk) 08:12, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2018

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"He was regarded as a pioneer in electronic dance music."[1] KingAndGod 08:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Many mentions of his accolades. Only the news article's header refers to him as a pioneer. I think his significant influence on electronic dance music is evident in the article already. Waddie96 (talk) 10:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Appendix "burst"

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It seems that in addition to the pancreatitis, his appendix burst. This precipitated the gallbladder and appendix removal surgery. But the source I found is unclear about the date this occurred. In any case, a ruptured appendix is a major health problem, equal to or worse than acute pancreatitis, and should be included in the article. Abductive (reasoning) 18:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2018

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"On 15 January 2016, Bergling released his remix of Morten's "Beautiful Heartbeat"."

Morten (Morten Breum) is stylized "MORTEN" and should be edited to match his "stage name".

Sources: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Morten_Breum http://mortenofficial.com Emilstahl (talk) 18:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reverting per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#All_caps_and_small_caps--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By way of explanation, this article says "better known by his stage name Avicii (/əˈviːtʃi/ ə-VEE-chee; Swedish: [aˈvɪtɕɪ]; styled as ΛVICII and ◢ ◤)," so should Morten get his own article, it can be capitalized thus at that page.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you at least hyperlink "Morten" to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Morten_Breum then? The text as it is makes no sense, as "Morten" could be anyone. Emilstahl (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2018

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The police of Oman say that no criminal suspect in avicii death.[2]--Salsabil rajhi (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clutter moved here from lead

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I really don't think we need this in the lead, so I removed it. If it's important and it can be referenced it could go in a footnote. Is it? ə-VEE-chee; Swedish: [aˈvɪtɕɪ]; styled as ΛVICII and ◢◤) --John (talk) 18:56, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2018

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Many pop stars and DJs took to Twitter to share their condolences after Avicii's death. This included Nick Jonas, Liam Payne, David Guetta, and the American pop-rock band Imagine Dragons. Chloe2330 (talk) 23:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. OhKayeSierra (talk) 08:04, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Drugs

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Is there a serious reference over the drug use?

TudorTulok (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2018

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""he really fought a battle with thoughts about the meaning of life and happiness. Now he did not cope anymore. He wanted to get peace" should be changed to "he really fought a battle with thoughts about the meaning of life and happiness. He couldn't cope anymore. He wanted to find peace." due to incorrect translation 2A02:C7F:5A0B:A00:8B3:E550:9BA6:2C54 (talk) 16:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Done! And I linked an article with an english translation as well.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 17:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Closing request template as Answered.   SPINTENDO          19:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but in the statement, they never mentioned Now he could not go on any longer , that's wrong, is with out the word Now.--Salsabil rajhi (talk) 07:04, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

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Can I please edit the death section for Avicii.

Some say he died of too much alcohol but nobody can confirm that as the reason for his tragic death. Ksargeson (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
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PS he died of excessive blood loss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.162.188 (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Early career and releases updates

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Hi there,

I'd like to have the below added into the various areas of the Avicii page as these facts are missing or in the case of a few of these tracks, are credited wrongly as remixes...

Thanks John

Update to early Avicii In early 2008 Vicious Recordings co-label owner and A&R manager Andy Van visited Sweden while on tour with his act Vandalism and Ash, (Avicii’s then manager and who actually booked the gig for Vandalism), organised for Andy to meet Tim (Avicii). Consequently Vicious signed Avicii in May 2008. 10 singles were released with the label beginning with, “Muja” EP, followed by “The Sound Of Now”, “So Excited”, “Even” (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums), “Bom”, “My Feelings For You” (again with Sebastien Drums and which was Avicii’s first number one single on Beatport), “Malo” “Streetdancer”, “Snus” (another collaboration with Sebastien Drums) and his final Vicious Recordings release “Jailbait” in May 2011. During this period Vicious licensed the various singles to be released by other labels including Ultra Recordings (USA), AATW (UK), Blanco Y Negro (Spain), SPG Records (Canada), Spinnin (Holland), Superstar Recordings (Germany), Vidisco (Portugal), Time Recordings (Italy), Lifted Music (Scandanavia) and Work Machine (France). Avicii also released several tracks on other labels while signed to Vicious including “Ryu” and “Strutnut” on Mixmash and his debut as Tim Berg “Fade Into Darkness”.

Update to video’s “My Feelings For You” Avicii & Sebastien Drums – Animated full music video which was made by Brendon March.

Update to Releases “The Sound Of Now” – First Released 6th Nov 2008 – Vicious Recordings “Muja” EP (including Muja & Record Breaker) - First Released April 15th 2009 – Vicious Recordings 

“So Excited” - First Released 1st July 2009 – Vicious Recordings

“Even” (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums) – First Released Nov 9 2009 – Vicious Recordings “Bom” - First Released Jan 18 2010 – Vicious Recordings “My Feelings For You” - (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums) – First Released May 10 2010 – Vicious Recordings “Malo” - First Released Nov 30 2010 – Vicious Recordings “Streetdancer” - First Released Jan 17 2011 – Vicious Recordings “Snus” - (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums) – First Released 14th March 2011 – Vicious Recordings “Jailbait” - First Released 16th May 2011 – Vicious Recordings — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Course (talk • contribs) 08:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2018

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<script async src="//affiliate.flipkart.com/affiliate/widgets/FKAffiliateWidgets.js"></script> 150.107.43.102 (talk) 13:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — IVORK Discuss 13:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for feedback ;

In section 2006-2010 early careers - After the first sentence finishing with “deep house style” please delete “By 2009 to 2010, Bergling was a prolific producer and was releasing music incredibly quickly. His remixes during this period were "Sound of Now", "Muja", "Ryu" and "Even"“

So that it reads “…distinct deep house style. Bergling explained that the name Avicii means "the lowest level of Buddhist hell" (Avīci) and he chose the moniker because his real name was already used upon creating his Myspace page.[18][19]

Following the above sentence that ends with “myspace page” please insert

“ In early 2008 Vicious Recordings label co-owner and A&R manager Andy Van visited Sweden while on tour with his act Vandalism and Ash, (Avicii’s then manager and who actually booked the gig for Vandalism), organised for Andy to meet Tim (Avicii). Consequently Vicious signed Avicii in May 2008.


Please continue with

“from then and throughout 2009 & 2010 Bergling was a prolific producer of music releasing 10 singles with Vicious Recordings beginning with the “Muja” EP, followed by “The Sound Of Now”, “So Excited”, “Even” (a collaboration with Sebastien Drums), “Bom”, “My Feelings For You” (again with Sebastien Drums and which was Avicii’s first number one single on Beatport and 4th highest selling single for the year in 2010), “Malo” “Street dancer”, “Snus” (another collaboration with Sebastien Drums) and his final Vicious Recordings release “Jailbait” in May 2011. During this period Vicious licensed these various singles to other labels including Ultra Recordings (USA), AATW (UK), Blanco Y Negro (Spain), SPG Records (Canada), Spinnin (Holland), Superstar Recordings (Germany), Vidisco (Portugal), Time Recordings (Italy), Lifted Music (Scandanavia) and Work Machine (France). Avicii also released several tracks on other labels while signed to Vicious including “Ryu” and “Strutnut” on Mixmash. and his debut as Tim Berg “Fade Into Darkness”.

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“In 2010, Bergling released the hit song "Seek Bromance", which reached the top 20 in several countries, including Belgium,[20] France,[21] the Netherlands,[22] United Kingdom,[23] and Sweden.[24] He also remixed Nadia Ali's classic single "Rapture" for her album Queen of Clubs Trilogy: Onyx Edition. In October 2010, Bergling signed with the European A&R team with EMI Music Publishing.[25]


First release of singles on Vicious Recordings references. Muja EP reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/muja-ep/166335 The Sound Of Now reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/sound-of-now/142836 So Excited reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/so-excited/178977 Even reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/even/201895 Bom reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/bom/216022 My Feeling For You Reference https://www.beatport.com/release/my-feelings-for-you/242541 Malo reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/malo/300978 Street Dancer reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/street-dancer/321313 Snus reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/snus/344344 Jailbait reference - https://www.beatport.com/release/jailbait/371690 Ryu & Strutnut release references - https://www.beatport.com/release/ryu/203710


Beatports top selling tracks of 2010 reference - https://www.beatport.com/chart/beatports-9th-top-selling-tracks-2010-1-10/44881 — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Course (talk • contribs) 05:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2018

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It has been said that Avicii died due to self-inflicted wounds based on TMZ. However, no one has confirmed anything about the death of Avicii. Ritzkai (talk) 03:19, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 03:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2018

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MrEnderblox11 (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iwannaedit

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. clpo13(talk) 19:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2018

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MrEnderblox11 (talk) 12:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2018

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I want to edit some pages. MrEnderblox11 (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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References

  1. ^ "Addicted To You (Avicii Song) - Wikipedia".
  2. ^ http://www.tmz.com/2018/04/20/avicii-dead-28/

Image

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Avicii in 2014

This picture from 2014 should stay in his infobox because it's more recent, shows more colour, is a proper portrait of him and the imagery is more balanced. Please feel free to discuss. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with the above statement. The first two points aren't as important as the latter two. The former two are also present in this photo and are added bonuses. The second attempted replacement was better than the first, but honestly I see no reason to use anything other than this in the infobox. I would not oppose having the others in the article somewhere. dannymusiceditor oops 19:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Need U" song by Tobu, dedicated to Avicii (April 2018)

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Hello,

I found this song "Need U" by Toms Burkovskis (Riga, Latvia), stage name: Tobu, it is dedicated to Avicii here is the YouTube information:

I'm heartbroken, I won't ever believe that Tim is gone so soon, yet I know that we'll always be connected somehow and his music will live forever. He was [an] inspiration to millions of people. He was someone I looked up to, and I started to make music only because of Tim. I recorded this song [a] couple months ago and it felt right to dedicate it to my hero - Avicii ◢◤ I'm thankful for everything you've done!
— Tobu, Need U song's description, YouTube, Published: 22 April 2018

Any feedback on what section this song's information should be positioned at within the article?
--In popular culture--
--External links--
Sources:
Sound Cloud
ID-News
Tobu channel; YouTube

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources
Thanks,
--Vwanweb (talk) 10:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This shouldn't be introduced into the article unless there are sources indicating that it's particularly notable. Lots of artists create "tribute" work when celebrities die, but only quite notable examples should be on Wikipedia. --Laser brain (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vwanweb: I saw your request on the IRC help channel and it seemed that you were trying to argue the the Tobu-based sources were somehow sufficient to establish that Tobu's tribute to Avicii was sufficiently notable to add to the Avicii article. Several editors have tried to explain to you that they are not. Tobu's tribute would have to have been written about in some independent outlet for it to have a chance to be added the Avicii article; it would have to hold it up as a particularly noteworthy tribute. When you find such a reference, we'll be happy to discuss this again. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Substance Abuse

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Did Avicii do any drug besides the legal drug alcohol? Spannerjam (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Open Letter From Family (under Death)

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I think someone should mention that the letter was originally in Swedish, and what is shown on this article was a translation. Some of the language is very clunky in English, so I think that is an important piece of context. I would make the edit, but the article is protected.

Maybe "On 26 April, his family released an open letter stating:" could become --> "On 26 April, his family released an open letter, translated from Swedish as follows:"

And since I'm on the subject of the translation, I think "avoided the spotlight" would be more appropriate as the translation of "skydde rampljuset" (rather than "shunned the spotlight"). But I am not a Swedish native, maybe someone else can confirm. Brick6900 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of Death: Unproven

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Hello

I can't help that bring up that the original source of Avicii (Tim Bergling), committing suicide by self-inflicted cuts from a broken wine bottle, was originally posted by TMZ. See source link below. But considering TMZ has been known for years as being an unreliable news source, and have been accused on many occasions of stretching the truth for profit.

I am requesting that the incorrect detail be removed from the article. It is spreading false information, especially as it's the first cause of death that comes up when he is Google searched. It has never been proven, as details of his death were never officially released. Either by his family, or his representatives. And that 'Suicide' was implied in the statement released by his family. Although it has now been confirmed that he did in fact commit suicide. Following a discussion with 'Olga Heijins', manager of Laidback Luke, who was personal friends with Avicii.

I would edit it myself, but the page is protected.

I am again requesting this detail be removed from the article.

Thank you

Source Link to TMZ article: http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/01/avicii-dj-suicide-glass-cut-bottle-death/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:5C24:6D00:749A:1F1E:CB6B:5DC6 (talk) 00:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and will remove. Acebulf (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Piggy backing on this, would anyone consider replace any references of the phrase "committed suicide" with "died by suicide"? Resirek (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Method of suicide

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Sources including TMZ claim Avicii committed suicide by cutting himself with a wine bottle. So can it be changed to suicide by self-harm instead of just suicide so people will know how he died? Michael14375 (talk) 10:39, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this level of detail necessary? It seems gratuitous to me so I would be against this change. --Jwslubbock (talk) 14:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter how gratuitous it is, the cause of death section needs to have more detail. Michael14375 (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Committed suicide / died from suicide

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There's currently a template over the wording 'he committed suicide in Oman' saying 'do not change this to 'died from suicide' because this is unnecessarily PC and WP:EUPHEMISM'. This seems quite wrong to me. The Samaritans suggest that the wording 'committed suicide' is wrong, judgemental and indicates that suicide is a crime. 'Died from suicide' is no more a euphemism than 'committed suicide', and I would argue that the reference to this policy is meaningless in this context. I'd like to request consensus from other editors, rather than getting into an edit war on this point. The change in wording is minor, but would be sensitive to the subject and to other people who may be affected by suicide. I welcome feedback from others on this suggested change of wording. --Jwslubbock (talk) 14:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is more appropriate to say "committed suicide" as it is more commonly used in English in news articles. — YoungForever(talk) 19:20, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. "Committed suicide" is the ordinary English idiom. It does not now carry any implication of criminality. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vargas & Lagola; an associated act?

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Vargas & Lagola should be listed as an associated of Avicii. A debate started on my talk page (click to read)

My argument in summary:

I think it should be included as in recent years Vargas & Lagola have been one of Avicii main collaborators - collaborating on eight song. Such a fact should not need to be referred in the infobox as no other associated acts are as the fact that they are associated acts is referenced through the article and on the pages of songs they have collaborated.

Would like other editors opinions. Thankyou. Mn1548 (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What Magnolia677 told you there is true here; you need cites, not excuses as to why you don't need cites, and if you want to put this in it is your job to find those cites, not to point to other Wikipedia pages where they might be. Pinkbeast (talk) 04:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Here! A multitude of references testifying to the collaborations. Now are you or anyone finally going to answer my question of where these references should be put as the certainly do not go in the infobox. The point I was making that people avoided responding to is that the infobox in most Wikipedia articles is a summary of the article with things being referenced in the main article and summarised there. No other artist is referenced in the associated act section because "multiple collaborations" required multiple references which would clog up the infobox. A few years ago when Avici 01 came out, that section was updated to account for the new collaborations so unless someone has removed the references since the update list was updated without any reference or used my argument of it is already referenced thoughout the article which it is. So why is this now a problem when Tim has come out when Vargas & Lagola were arguably an associated act before their collaborations for this album were announced anyway? Mn1548 (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Vargas & Lagola" were mentioned nowhere in the article, but were then added as an associated act. Naturally they were deleted. How can we have an associated act that in not even mentioned in the article? Now we find out that several of Vargas & Lagola's songs are mentioned in the article (just not the names of Vargas & Lagola). Probably the easiest way to fix this is for an editor to someplace add that those songs were performed by Vargas & Lagola (with a source of course). Magnolia677 (talk) 14:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is fine to put cites in the infobox (using a bit of discretion as to how many) if that is where they are needed - for example, in this case where the body of the article doesn't mention V&L at all. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well can one such reference I have provided be used as they are an associated act? Mn1548 (talk) 19:43, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.insider.com/aviciis-final-album-posthumously-released-what-you-need-to-know-2019-6
  2. ^ https://www.spin.com/2019/05/avicii-tough-love-agnes-vargas-lagola%3famp=1
  3. ^ https://www.apnews.com/2de00671bc22482eb21fc20b4d6b51c0<5
  4. ^ https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/06/05/arts/ap-us-music-avicii.html
  5. ^ https://www.scandipop.co.uk/video-avicii-feat-agnes-vargas-lagola-tough-love/
  6. ^ https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/dance/8383354/avicii-collaborations-artists-songs-listen
  7. ^ https://www.insider.com/aviciis-final-album-posthumously-released-what-you-need-to-know-2019-6
  8. ^ https://www.variety.com/2018/music/news/avicii-biggest-hits-wake-me-up-levels-1202775466/amp/
  9. ^ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-04-10/friends-and-family-share-aviciis-unreleased-music-with-fans/
  10. ^ https://www.nme.com/news/music/new-avicii-song-tough-love-released-2486285/amp
  11. ^ https://www.nme.com/news/music/avicii-avici-ep-2123295/amp
  12. ^ https://djmag.com/news/avicii%E2%80%99s-posthumous-single-%E2%80%98tough-love%E2%80%99-will-be-released-tomorrow
  13. ^ https://djmag.com/news/avicii%E2%80%99s-posthumous-single-%E2%80%98tough-love%E2%80%99-will-be-released-tomorrow
  14. ^ https://www.songmeaningsandfacts.com/peace-of-mind-by-avicii-ft-vargas-lagola/
  15. ^ http://www.pmstudio.com/music/music.html?page=20190515-9502

Cause of death

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User:Michael14375 continues to add to the infobox that the cause of death was "Suicide by self-inflicted injuries from broken glass". Several editors have removed this, so the input of others would be appreciated. "Self-harm" and "self-inflicted injuries" are not the same, as self-harm is not intended to cause death (the self-harm article states "suicide is not the intention of self-harm"). If the cause of death was indeed "self-harm" which accidentally led to his death, then a reliable source is needed to support this. Previous discussions about this are at User talk:Michael14375#Original research (with User:Pinkbeast) and User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 18#Avicii. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I continue to agree with the above; the suicide here was not "self-harm". I do not see that it could be; if the injuries were self-harm (and we would need a source to that effect), the death was an accident. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think Michael is misunderstanding that self-harm and suicide are different in ways of accidental nature or lack thereof; I think his primary objective was him trying to expand the cause of death. Am I correct? And second, is the latter action even okay? I think it's unnecessary bloating, but what do you guys think? dannymusiceditor oops 22:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, I think suicide is sufficient for the infobox and any details can be put in the death section. Also self-harm is not the same as suicide. One can accident kill yourself from suicide but suicide as far as I'm aware is intentionally killing yourself where as the result of self-harm is not to rnd in one's death. Mn1548 (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unless this has was confirmed through records or by his family, suicide is only implied or inferred. This should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.185.113.110 (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tim (2019): album or compilation?

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Hi everybody, Tim was released as Avicii's third studio album and almost all publications refer to it as a studio album, but at the same time they describe it as having been created after Avicii's death, using some of the unfinished songs he was working on in his last months. So, it seems to be more like a compilation than a studio album as its songs were not put together by the artist himself; like in the case of Michael Jackson's last two albums. I'm absolutely not sure about this issue, I just wanted to discuss it and to find the best solution. Thanks for reading! FilBenLeafBoy (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stylizations

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I think that the stylization of his name (ΛVICII) should be added into the article, because many other articles about singers/songwriters have the stylization of their name listed. WowSoCool112 (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree because it would make the article harder to read. I'll let others chime in as well. LaceyUF (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death

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Didn't we have a release from TMZ that stated he slit himself with a broken wine bottle? Has that been confirmed false? I remembered adding that here and it was here for a good long time, but it seems to be gone now and I would have anticipated discussion on it. dannymusiceditor oops 19:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One cannot die from suicide, rather, one may die by suicide.

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We all have an obligation to use well structured language in our public pronouncements. Therefore I feel that I must comment on the expression of the cause of death, sad and regretted as it is. Suicide is not a disease, although the underlying state of the mind which leads to it may well be due to disease. One may die from a disease, but not from suicide, as neither does one die from murder or accident, but rather by murder or accident. The best way of expressing this sad fact is to write "died by suicide". Kenneth Spencer (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC) KASpencer[reply]

Agree. In addition, when searching online, there seem to be relatively few sources using the phrasing "died from suicide" vs. "died by suicide". The World Health Organization also seems to prefer "died by suicide" (https://www.who.int/teams/mental-health-and-substance-use/suicide-data), and it also appears to be preferred by mental health professionals (https://www.nbcnews.com/better/health/why-mental-health-advocates-use-words-died-suicide-ncna880546). Stack (talk) 13:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 January 2019 and 10 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tcryan1.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Associated acts

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I understand the subject was a DJ so he’s going to have a lot of musicians he worked with, but this infobox is absolutely overkill. This needs to be limited to the acts that were most notable. TheXuitts (talk) 11:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Method of suicide

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As far as I can tell, nowhere in this article is Avicii's method of suicide mentioned. This is extremely basic information which should be included. If someone is concerned that this information may be triggering, I remind them that Wikipedia is not censored. Joe (talk) 19:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

this edit will result in people's deaths, as I suspect JoePhin knows. It is standard practice in all responsible newspapers and media sources not to talk about suicide methods because we have decades upon decades of evidence that this results in more suicides. This is not censorship. Please remove it.
Samaritans is the first google hit explaining this. [1] (there are thousands of sources for this) 78.18.58.5 (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.samaritans.org/ireland/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/10-top-tips-reporting-suicide/

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2022

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CHANGE WORDING FROM “TMZ later reported that he committed suicide using a glass shard to cut himself.”

TO “TMZ later reported that he died by suicide using a glass shard to cut himself.” 68.147.37.14 (talk) 03:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

current wording is correct, no reason to change --FMSky (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Avicii committed suicide

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Currently, the article uses the bizarre wording "On 20 April 2018, he died by suicide..." The word commit is commonly used as the verb that goes along with suicide in English. I believe another editor complained that the word 'committed' is only used for crimes, so it is inappropriate to describe suicide. This is wrong; the word 'committed' is not only used for crimes. For example, one might commit an error, or one might've committed a faux pas, or indeed, regardless of whether it is a crime or not, one might've committed suicide. I would strongly argue that the article should read either as "On 20 April 2018, he committed suicide..." or, if other editors desired that the word 'committed' not be used for some reason, "He killed himself on 20 April 2018..." I would warn against using phrasings which remove agency from the description, as the passive voice "he died by" or "he died of" makes suicide sound like something that happened to him, rather than something which he did to himself, which is misleading. Joe (talk) 19:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Going by the Associated Press's style guide: https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/1160941325073731584
> Avoid using the phrase "committed suicide." Alternate phrases include "killed himself," "took her own life" or "died by suicide." The verb "commit" with "suicide" can imply a criminal act.
Like someone else said, it's the phrasing that mental health experts are proponents of. My understanding is that there is also some baggage from Christian teaching in that you are "committing the sin" of suicide; it's an idiomatic way to describe killing oneself and connotes criminality, or at a minimum a misdeed. From a linguistic perspective, there are so many other phrasings to imply that someone took their own life (see above), that the added "committing suicide" is loaded in a way that is just not present in other language's translations of the same act. Also if there's convention that reduces harm and stigma, *and* doesn't change the ultimate description of the act, then why not just switch the phrasing? Mindlessroman (talk) 18:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if the primary source that's being cited used "die by suicide" all the more reason to honor its original phrasing. Conventions change, language adapts. Mindlessroman (talk) 18:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Died by suicide" is the commonly accepted nomenclature of experts on the topic, and thus is in no way "bizarre". It is a terminology that has been shown to reduce harm over time compared to using the word commit, especially in the context of celebrities, and if you want sources on that you can look to Wikipedia's own article on 'Suicide terminology'. I would strongly argue that the article should use diction that does not encourage harm. I would warn against using phraseology which might discourage people in active need of help from seeking it. Syirali (talk) 10:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

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The sentence "On 20 April 2018, he committed suicide while on holiday in Muscat, Oman." should at least be changed to say he died by suicide, if not just changed to omit his cause of death from the lede entirely. Syirali (talk) 09:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The wording "committed suicide" is acceptable to use. This has been the subject of significant discussion on Wikipedia. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022 (2)

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Committed suicide should be changed to completed suicide. The use of the term committed should not be used in relation to suicide in this day and age. It implied criminal activity and is insensitive to those who suffer and died of mental illness. Completed and attempted suicide are preferred. This should be applied across Wikipedia. 82.38.112.74 (talk) 22:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. TylerBurden (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2022

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Change "committed suicide" to "died by suicide" to be in line with updated terminology. 82.132.186.174 (talk) 13:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. There is consensus that this phrasing is acceptable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2022

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Please can we change the term ‘committed’ suicide to the widely accepted term ‘died by suicide’ please. This outdated and incorrect phrase is offensive to those who have lost someone to suicide. It ceased being a crime in the 1960’s. Thank you. 2A00:23C8:A720:7F01:5061:5F77:6D31:9BDA (talk) 06:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 08:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Consensus building - Wouldn't 4+ edits about the phrasing be enough to establish one? Using "Committed Suicide" is a phrase that mental health advocates have argued to change; it's advised against in the AP Styleguide; *and* it's uniquely English to phrase it this way, arguably in a euphemistic fashion. A number of other languages more directly would be translated to "kill oneself", which is more accurate a usage her than "committing suicide." Mindlessroman (talk) 23:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems more like one person or a small group of people using different accounts and IP's making the exact same points, that is not a formally established consensus. TylerBurden (talk) 03:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Handling of suicide terminology

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Please consider amending the term "committed suicide" to "died by suicide" in this article and others. Suicide is not a crime and should not be described as something which one "commits". 2A00:23C6:3A93:7300:A43:2CD7:570:6C32 (talk) 00:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has been going on for ages, numerous sources do refer to his death as such, and the word "committed" doesn't automatically mean committing a crime. TylerBurden (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2023

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It only shows his mother under parents/relatives. His father needs to be added in and his information placed in the article as his mother has been.

His father is Klas Bergling, he was born December 7, 1945 (age 77 years), in Hedvig Eleonora Parish, Stockholm, Sweden.

Klas Bergling, born in 1945, is a Swedish entrepreneur married to the actress Anki Lidén. The couple share four children together; Linda, David, Anton and Tim. After Klas sold his company in 2001 he worked for a few years importing furniture from Egypt.

With his wife, Aviciis mother he founded the Tim Bergling Foundation, to help those affliwith mental illness, and help remove the stigma around it. GayRehabProject84 (talk) 09:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, people such as parents are generally only added to the infobox if their notability is established through having their own article, while Avicii's mother has one, his father doesn't on the English Wikipedia. TylerBurden (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that information 102.65.246.87 (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on "committed suicide"

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Several editors have referred to "consensus" to deny edit requests to change the wording ("committed suicide") in the lead. I'm confused—where is this consensus? If the "consensus" is meant to refer to MOS:SUICIDE, that guidance does not preclude changing "committed suicide" and explicitly offers more appropriate alternatives. Pinging TylerBurden, as you're the main person to be reverting/denying these requests. Thanks. Wracking talk! 19:32, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources cited in the article use the term "committed suicide", and it was previously discussed on the talk page if you look at the archive, which reached no consensus to change it. In addition, the manual of style guideline you cite explicitly says that it is not banned to write "committed suicide". If neither is incorrect, there is no point in changing back and forth between different "appropriate alternatives". TylerBurden (talk) 19:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link me to the consensus-building discussion you're referring to?
That MOS:SUICIDE does not ban the current wording is irrelevant to the conversation; as I said, it does not preclude changing to more appropriate wording.
As for "changing back and forth", in the last year, six out of nine times, you have been the person to change the wording or deny request. The other times, the request denier was ScottishFinnishRadish or Asartea.[1] Eight users have tried to change the wording, and three have denied them. I don't see consensus in favor of the current wording. Wracking talk! 20:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is relevant, since you have cited the guideline as a reason to change it, when in reality it makes it clear that while other alternatives are also acceptable, it may be used. So why should it be changed when that has been both the longstanding term, and the one used in the references the article cites? You can simply search "committed" in the archive and the discussion should show up, I don't know how to link specific threads. Consensus also isn't a number's game, especially not when it has been consistently mostly new IP's requesting the change, meaning it could be one person using proxies, etc. Unless a good policy backed reason can be provided for the change, I don't see any reason to change it. TylerBurden (talk) 20:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I never claimed that MOS:SUICIDE bans the current wording; that's why I said your mention of that is irrelevant.
The current wording has been longstanding largely because you have reverted attempts to change it. It is mostly IPs requesting the change because they are not able to edit the article due to its protected status. Registered users have made the change; you reverted them. The hidden message in the article citing "current consensus" has likely dissuaded other editors from changing the wording.
There are several discussions of the issue in the archive. I asked you to link to the consensus-building one because I did not find one when I searched; the word "committed" is used in several discussions. If you can't link to the discussions, can you tell me what the name of the header(s) is/are? Wracking talk! 22:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The wording has been used since before I even started editing the article, and so has the tag been present, the reason I have been helping to maintain it is because there is no point in making subjective style changes on Wikipedia, if something is subjective, just keep it however it was first added unless there is some really good reason to change it, which you have not provided. The article was actually protected because IP's and new accounts (likely the same person or group, based on the exact same arguments used over and over) kept changing it without establishing consensus to do so. If you are going to continue this discussion, please provide a concrete reason as to why it should be changed, since that appears to be what you are advocating for, linking to MOS:SUICIDE is not good enough because of what is said above. TylerBurden (talk) 10:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason is, per MOS:SUICIDE, "many external style guides discourage it as being potentially stigmatising and offensive to some people". I went to change the wording, but I saw the hidden message discouraging it. I went to the talk page to see when the consensus was reached, and I did not find the consensus-building discussion I expected to find. While you see no good reason to change the wording, I see no good reason to keep it the same. Thus, my initial post. For clarity, as you did not provide any header(s), is there no discussion on which the claims of consensus are based? Wracking talk! 14:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So you find it offensive and that is why you want to change it? Well to be blunt, a lot of people are offended by all kinds of things in this day and age, that doesn't mean language should bend over for them just because of their feelings. I would say for most people, the term "committed suicide" simply means that a person took their life. But for whatever reason, some people take offense, I suppose assuming committed means doing something bad, which I feel is certainly an exception in this context of suicide. It is tragic, not criminal. Did Avicii express disdain for the term during his life? Has his family members or the like expressed it? If so, simply out of human decency that could be one of the few reasons to change something subjective, but not just because some Wikipedia editors feelings. If we are going to go around and base our editing on our personal preferences, the bickering will be non-stop and nothing would get done.
I have already told you how to find the single discussion I can find on this talk page, if we are using the same version of Wikipedia, simply enter "committed" and the thread "Method of suicide" should show up that contains the single brief discussion I find solely focused on the different terms. Otherwise you could click on the archive, there is only a single one, and find the header there. I'd love to do the work for you but like I said, I don't know how to link specific threads. TylerBurden (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to request a third opinion. Wracking talk! 03:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To add to this as I realize it may have come off a bit cold—I think this conversation has come to a bit of a standstill, which is why I am requesting a third opinion.
I did not say I found the wording offensive; I said I found the consensus inadequate. I appreciate you providing the discussion title. The conversation you reference involves only three editors each making a single comment, and it occurred before MOS:SUICIDE was developed. I don't believe this discussion is grounds for resisting calls for change by multiple editors over several years. Thanks ~ Wracking talk! 03:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, it would be good to have more people involved in the discussion so a stronger consensus can be built in either direction. TylerBurden (talk) 03:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the WP:3O request was thrown out as another editor commented in this section. I followed up about it and they said I could repost it, but I don't feel like pushing it. An WP:RfC might be appropriate but it seems like its best to try another solution before then, so I've tried to cobble together a request at WP:DRN. Wracking talk! 02:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Was I not supposed to comment? I did leave a comment there. I am sorry, I did comment before reading the WP:SUICIDE policy that clearly states we dont use committed. I support the change to conform to policy. I dont personally agree with the statement "many external style guides discourage it as being potentially stigmatising and offensive to some people", however if that is policy then we should follow it. I dont particularly feel strong enough to oppose policy or propose any sort of change to policy. As for an article, it should follow policy. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Wracking Yea, usually RfC's are meant to be one of the later steps, but it's probably the best tool for establishing a strong consensus. In the meantime, I have reverted the premature edit by Jtbobwaysf to implement a change to the wording used that they took upon themselves to make, as well as leave me an edit warring template and imply I'm editing tendentiously. I think I have made my case clear above, subjective things shouldn't be changed but left in its original state, unless there is very good reason for it. In fact if it was reverse I would be arguing for whatever of the other phrases were originally in use, so it has little to do with the wording itself, but more against subjective changes. I don't think this is a bad faith approach, and I think the remark is very strange. Anyway, appreciate you trying to involve others, just wasn't expecting to log in and discover I'm being attacked over this. TylerBurden (talk) 09:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Im sorry, I commented without reading the policy and stuck my foot in my mouth. I see the policy and agree with your position to change the text. I have changed the article text to "died by" to comply with policy WP:SUICIDE. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that what you are citing has nothing to do with "complying with policy", it's a guideline on dealing with threats of physical harm. What you're looking for is MOS:SUICIDE, which explicitly states the prhase is not banned. I do not know how you read that and reached the conclusion that it is against policy, I am edit warring and am editing in a WP:TENDENTIOUS manner as you implied here. It seems like bizarre escalation when the only thing going on here was a civil discussion in good faith. TylerBurden (talk) 08:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your edits are now looking like WP:TE. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:09, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you could refrain from the personal attacks here and instead focus on the matter at hand, that would be good. Your accusations have been brought up on your own talk page. Perhaps you should read everything again since you have clearly completely misinterpreted just about everything, including policies you are citing. TylerBurden (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the discussion above, I don't see any evidence of current consensus. As far as I can the previous wording seems to have been settled on over four yeats ago after a discussion by three editors that preceded MOS:SUICIDE. In my opinion it's now time to re-evaluate that decision by normal editing processes. I've changed the wording to "died by suicide", one of the MOS's preferred options. If you feel that's too euphemistic, the extremely blunt but also-MOS-preferred "killed himself" would also be another option. But "committed suicide" is now an outdated term referring to a criminal act, and the MOS is right in deprecating its use. — The Anome (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well while I don't think a particularly strong formal consensus exists to change it either, I am not going to edit war over such a minor thing if several editors feel strongly about it. You and Wracking are correct that MOS:SUICIDE lists external style guides as reasons as to why other versions may be preferable, but the same link states the term is not banned, which is what the editor that summoned you has continued to incorrectly claim while linking to WP:SUICIDE, which does not mention the phrase at all. TylerBurden (talk) 11:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - I think the editor repeatedly linking to WP:SUICIDE is meaning to refer to MOS:SUICIDE.

I think the problematic word here is "committing", which carries with it the implication of criminal wrongdoing; suicide is no longer a crime, and the verb no longer applies as a consequence. If we want to be literal, but be considerate of people's sensibilities, "died by suicide" works fine; if you want to be blunt, "killed himself" also works. I prefer the first. — The Anome (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, yes, I am referring to MOS:SUICIDE. Apologies for the mistake. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Reverted edits: Nov 2022, Dec 2022, May 2023, Jun 2023; Denied requests: Jul 2022 (SFR), Jul 2022, Aug 2022 (SFR), Sep 2022 (Asartea), March 2023 (not official request, same IP range as previous request)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2024

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I want to add, that Avicii's remix of Beautiful Heartbeat by Zack Brown Band, will be released February 16th this yeart Kallenberg1 (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Isi96 (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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