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::It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>the dog</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
::It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>the dog</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
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:::With my [[String Driven Thing|Ye Olde Worlde UK internet]], I can usually manage a [[Death Wish Coffee|whole cafetiere]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
:::With my [[String Driven Thing|Ye Olde Worlde UK internet]], I can usually manage a [[Death Wish Coffee|whole cafetiere]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC) |
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== 2019 == |
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<br />'''Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht''' |
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<big>[[User:Gerda Arendt/Christmas 2018|Happy 2019]]</big> |
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[[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2019 January 1|begin it with music and memories]]<br /><br /> |
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Not too late, I hope ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*Well, I did spend two full sessions with my psychiatrist dealing with the fear that you'd abandoned me. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*: ... did they find that part of is the reluctance to have to wait for an edit here to be saved? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:29, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*::That would be a lack of patients, which could be quite a problem for EEng's shrink. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 15:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::He's an imaginary shrink, so he's got all the time in the world. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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*::::So if someone thinks that they see a psychiatrist who isn't really there, does that mean that they actually need a psychiatrist? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC) |
::::I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::I confused what you guys talking about? Subliminal metaphor about a wikipedia topic. Atsme approached argument different than I did. More than one way to get the right answer. [[User:Brian Everlasting|Brian Everlasting]] ([[User talk:Brian Everlasting|talk]]) 22:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC) |
:::::I confused what you guys talking about? Subliminal metaphor about a wikipedia topic. Atsme approached argument different than I did. More than one way to get the right answer. [[User:Brian Everlasting|Brian Everlasting]] ([[User talk:Brian Everlasting|talk]]) 22:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Draft:Dumber than a rock in the toothpick factory]] == |
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[[File:Holzzahnstocher.jpg|thumb|upright=0.5|No rocks here!]] |
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This just blew in on the [[CAT:CSD|slush pile]] and I thought it would raise a smile if I reposted it here. |
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{{xt|'''''"Dumber than a rock in a toothpick Factory"''''' ie; this is a phrase that was created by myself for saying that someone is unintelligent; not smart; uneducated. this phrase can be used as an insult or a derogatory remark. Use this saying with caution as it will offend and hurt feelings. In fact it could even cause lasting pain an turmoil if not used with extreme caution. But if used in good company this could cause laughter and hilarity and may even cause a peeing incident.}} [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, but peeing incidents are unacceptable, unless...by design. I have also concluded that EEng's TP may well be the only true "safe place" to say what one thinks, depending on one's perspective, of course. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]]</sup> <big>[[User talk:Atsme |👂🏻]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</big> 19:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::I don't understand the rock-toothpick imagery. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I'm also a bit confused by that imagery. In fact, isn't that draft a bit like the opposite of that old saying: [[Sticks and Stones|"''sticks'' and ''stones'' may break my bones, but ''words will never hurt me''"]]? [[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090">Semi</b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<i style="color:#099">Hyper</i>]][[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|<u style="color:#009">cube</u>]] 15:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:I think it's supposed to say ''Denser'' than a rock in the toothpick factory. The idea being that the density of a rock would stand out against a group of toothpicks in uniform density. In which case it should be "relatively denser". Or perhaps it just sounds silly, and trying to get a discussion out of it here is dumber than a rock in the toothpick factory. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Sterling Manufacturing Co., Limited (3093706934).jpg|thumb|Hapless nominator: "Oh no!! What have you done to Grandma?!!"<br>Gleeful closer: "That's the last time she runs for RfA!!"]] |
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::Personally I would have gone with "blunter than a rock in the toothpick factory". But then folks have often said that I'm "one slab short of a full patio." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:24, 10 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Not sure how to get this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_h4h6xpg40#2:18 video] to open at 2:18. [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]]</sup> <big>[[User talk:Atsme |📣]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</big> 16:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC) |
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*Going to the other end of the spectrum, let's start a "vivid folksy imagery" contest. Here's my favorite: |
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*:{{tq|There hasn't been so much excitement around here since grandma got her tit caught in the wringer!}} |
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:[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:43, 10 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::I thought that was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcRWFP1siM0 Auntie Mabel]? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC) |
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Saw [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZiMwE2TZYk this] and it reminded me of you. Well, one bit did. I'll leave it to your readership to decide for themselves which bit. {{smiley|3}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 16:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC) |
Saw [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZiMwE2TZYk this] and it reminded me of you. Well, one bit did. I'll leave it to your readership to decide for themselves which bit. {{smiley|3}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 16:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:I'm ashamed to say I missed this until now. Every {{tps}} is required to click. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::What's a couple of years between friends? It's understandably easy to miss a message or two when your letterbox encompasses the entire ground floor. {{wink}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 16:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thus proving the value of keeping some of these threads live well past their normal expiration date. I duly clicked on the link and was duly amused. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::::I do worry that he might be having to climb in through his bedroom window, and he's preparing food in the bathroom on a camping stove, but it does provide some amusement on a rainy day. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 21:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::"Hey you [[Mexican Army|Mexican kids]], [[You kids get off my lawn!|get off my 1,000 mile long lawn]]!!" --[[James K. Polk|President James. K. Veto]] ([[Thornton Affair|too late for Talk)]] 23:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC) |
:::::"Hey you [[Mexican Army|Mexican kids]], [[You kids get off my lawn!|get off my 1,000 mile long lawn]]!!" --[[James K. Polk|President James. K. Veto]] ([[Thornton Affair|too late for Talk)]] 23:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC) |
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What I want to know is why do your talk page archives cap out at under 100 threads but your main talk page is 300+? This is completely backwards and against all conventions of decency. It's like you're thumbing your nose at the universe. [[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">[[User talk:Levivich|ich]]</span> 16:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC) |
What I want to know is why do your talk page archives cap out at under 100 threads but your main talk page is 300+? This is completely backwards and against all conventions of decency. It's like you're thumbing your nose at the universe. [[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">[[User talk:Levivich|ich]]</span> 16:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Talk:Enrico_Fermi]] == |
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I am very grateful for your explanation. Thank you :-) [[User:Vikom|Vikom]] ([[User talk:Vikom|talk]]) 04:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:You caught me in a good mood. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Milman Parry]] == |
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::''The following continues a conversation begun at [[User talk:AndrewFeld]]:'' |
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If my grandfather had killed himself, that wouldn't bother me in the least. He died 25 years before I was born. I couldn't care less if he died by autoerotic asphyxiation, Russian roulette, eating Tide pods, falling off a cliff while taking a selfie, or by shooting himself in the heart. What bothers me is that after many years of speaking with people who knew Milman Parry, including Albert Lord, I have been told repeatedly that a) no one who knew him considered suicide a possibility b) there is no evidence that he killed himself (no note, etc.) and c) the basis for the theories about his suicide (that he had been denied promotion at Harvard) have been disproved. I assumed that in editing a Wikipedia page, it was important to remove unfounded speculation and errors. Perhaps I was wrong. Although I do wonder at your need to keep this rumor alive. Perhaps you're just generally pro-gossip? |
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Oh--and I'm sorry that your section leader in Albert's class was an idiot. You should have told Lord at the time. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndrewFeld|AndrewFeld]] ([[User talk:AndrewFeld#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndrewFeld|contribs]]) 00:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You're right that Wikipedia strives to avoid unfounded speculation and errors, but what we count as ''founded'' is tied to what reliable sources tell us. As you implicitly acknowledge, the idea that Milman Parry may have killed himself is a common one, and since there are sources mentioning the possibility the article cannot simply ignore it.{{pb}}Of course I would very much like to see the treatment of this point improved, but that can only happen if we have more sources, and I haven't been able to find any on my own. Your personal knowledge we can't use, unfortunately{{snd}}I'm sure you understand. But I'll tell you what, I'll contact some classicists I know to see if they can point me to something. If you know of any sources, please do say. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::Hi. A biography of Milman Parry is currently in the works, by Robert Kanigel, and an article about his death, by Steven Reece, will be published in the journal, Oral Tradition, this Spring, so there will soon be a great deal of new information available about Milman Parry's life, and his death. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndrewFeld|AndrewFeld]] ([[User talk:AndrewFeld#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndrewFeld|contribs]]) 01:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::Well why didn't you say so? I'm sure those new sources will allow us to give this point the high-quality treatment it deserves. So I can attend to that as soon as possible, please drop me a message here the moment either source becomes available. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC) |
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*Followup: I'm glad to say that the new sources have made it possible to give a well-founded, comprehensive presentation [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=1005615654#Death_and_commemoration]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::I hesitate to reproduce the revdelled text but it was related to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7DdUY9rto this] (do I need to say NSFW?) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 02:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC) |
:::::I hesitate to reproduce the revdelled text but it was related to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7DdUY9rto this] (do I need to say NSFW?) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 02:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Who's on first? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC) |
::::::Who's on first? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Block quotations == |
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{{lang|la|Re}} "if you'll tell me what to use instead of {quote box} I'll be happy to start using it": [[MOS:BQ]] covers this already; use {{tlx|Quote}}] unless there's some really, really compelling reason not to. If you're sure there is, then I suppose pick any template from [[:Category:Quotation templates]], other than {{tlx|Quote box}} with it's inconsistent attribution formatting, or the pull-quote ones that use decorative giant quotation marks. Several have placement and other layout options. Seriously, though, more than 99% (quite literally) of instances of {{tnull|Quote box}} and other "decorative" quotation framing templates in articles are misuses and should be converted to plain {{tnull|Quote}}. I did a cleanup spree a while back (about 150 articles, before I got worn out), and of those only one single case was using such a template in a manner appropriate for an encyclopedia (and it not for a quotation in the usual sense, but an image-like presentation of an entire short statement, kind of a "document in a box" (and the section was about the document, so the {{em|function}} served was that of an illustration). In {{em|every}} other case it was either pointless decoration of block quotations, abuse of magazine-style [[pull quote]]s, or [[WP:UNDUE]]-violating over-focus on some particular party's quoted statements. There are thousands of quote-template misuses like this in mainspace, and I expect the ratio to hold, since the ones I dealt with were completely random selections. I find that when I do cleanup of them, the reversion rate back to something decorative is also around 1%. Someone back in 2007 or when ever just felt like decorating, and no one else cares. |
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This is one of the reasons I want to get most of these templates re-coded to do nothing in mainspace but emit the same code as {{tnull|Quote}}. This would auto-fix most of our quotation problems (though not the UNDUE ones, nor our rare instances of real but inappropriate pull-quoting). But {{tnull|Quote box}} having inconsistent formatting would have to be fixed first. |
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I've said it before many times: If people are convinced that our normal and traditional block-quotation style is somehow sub-par for a 2019+ online publication, they're free to propose a replacement style. They're not free to go inject whatever weird quotation formatting "magic" they like at their own blog ([[WP:NOT#WEBHOST]], and we do have a our own MoS for a reason). I've already successfully TfDed some experiments of that sort (e.g. ones that looked a lot like {{tlx|Talk quote block}}, with a dark vertical bar on the left, a style borrowed from threaded message boards and some e-mail programs like Eudora, but virtually never found in print or print-mimicking material). |
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I'm sure you understand all of this, but I'm laying it out in detail for your TP stalkers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 05:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Tell me what template to use on these: [[Phineas_Gage#Exaggeration_and_distortion_of_mental_changes]]; [[Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_1:_Presidential_succession]]; [[Memorial_Hall_(Harvard_University)#Conception_and_construction]]. And please don't tell me they should be regular block quotes (though secretly I'm hoping you will so I can argue with you about it). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::The Phineas Gage article (about which I care) is turning into a train wreck. Those definitely should be block quotations, integrated with context into the material. The current presentation is "magazine style, on crack", filtered through "my first blog" sensibilities of how to present information. Just awful. The urge to begin a section with a quotation is a magazine "feature writer" impulse that needs to be strongly resisted in encyclopedia writing. We have no need to "hook" readers. We don't care how long their eyeballs are on the page, and we aren't weaving a dancing narrative for them, just providing information that they can use how and in whatever portion they desire. The 25th Am. page looks fine. These are really being presented as document fragments for analysis, not quotations in the usual sense. Here, it actually makes sense to lead the sections with this material (for reasons completely unrelated to why people want to do so with "juicy" personal or organizational quotations, magazine-style – sometimes called "quotoids" when they're not technically [[pull quotes]], i.e. not repeated in the main text). Here, the mis-coding of {{tnull|Quote box}} isn't really an issue, since its inconsistent attribution code is not being used. However, the "safe" replacement template is {{tlx|Quote frame}}. I may just propose merging the former to the latter, though it'll take a bot or something to fix all the attribution. It might not even be bottable. (Bot would have to look for every possible combination of dash and hyphen encoding, with and without spacing also encoded in various ways, and strip it from the attribution parameters before changing the template call to point to {{tnull|quote frame}}.) The Harvard case is also unencyclopedic, magazine-style use of "quotoids", which should be integrated into the prose, with context. The present display looks reasonable, but is poorly coded (it's using {{tag|br|s}} as a layout tool, etc.). If there were consensus to retain this as a sidebar, I suppose it's not {{em|fatally}} bad, but should probably be done in some custom {{tag|div}}, because presently is's marking up the entire content, including attribution and citations, as quoted material, which is wrong. That template isn't a general layout tool, it's something that emits quotation markup around whatever content it is told is a quotation. PS: I just did another random cleanup run on the results returned by "What links here" for one of the decorative quote templates, and out of 20-ish cases that showed up in the first page of results in mainspace, 0% were appropriate. They were all either normal block quotes that should be in {{tnull|quote}}, or they were non-encyclopedic, magazine-style pull quotes. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC); copyedited 04:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I'm interested in {{tq|We don't care how long their eyeballs are on the page}}{{snd}}Really? We don't care whether the reader thinks, "I don't know where this is going -- I guess I'll just quit" versus "Wow, I'm gonna learn something interesting from this article/section. Tell me!"? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I think you know what I mean. We wouldn't have an MoS, Writing Better Articles, WP:NOT, and all these policies on producing proper enc. content if we didn't care whether readers could understand the material (as to both wording and logical arrangement), or care whether they believed it was accurate and worth reading. But we don't use visual, emotive, lead-burying, teasing, ambiguous, and other psychological trickery to try to steer and latch onto reader attention (we do pretty much the opposite, using plain and detached English, and providing links that help get them to what they're most interested in, which may be nothing at the current page after all). There's a big difference between a sensible article flow (and ToC), versus trying to cajole, shock, amuse, mystify, or otherwise lead the reader around manipulatively (which is actually a subtle form of [[WP:SYNTH]], weaving a "can you believe it?!" narrative from bare facts, the connections between which really have to come from sources, not from our own editorial perspective). Decorative quotations almost always serve such an unencyclopedic purpose (and are a technique borrowed ultimately from fiction, as foreshadowing or plot twist depending on the quote and its relation to the rest of the material).<p>The only exceptions I regularly see are document snippets for analysis, as in the 25th Am. case, and actually famous quotations, like the opening of MLK's "I have a dream" speech, that are part of the subject of our own article. The ultimate solution may be to fork specific templates for these with separate documentation (e.g. so it's clear that using {{tnull|Famous quote}} for a non-famous quote can be reverted), and have all other quote templates just emit blockquote markup if used in mainspace. I mean really, if the only difference between a section starting with an out-of-context quotation (a {{lang|la|non sequitur}}, and most often some form of teaser) in case A and case B is that in case B it's got a box around it and is moved rightward, then the problem and solution are clear. Any random editor would fix the first case, without the box, by either providing context or moving it to where the already-provided context is (or removing it if inappropriate for reasons like UNDUE or because it's an actual, redundant pull quote). Our fix-it impulse often gets a bit short-circuited when people encounter box quotations, because we've become desensitized to them by magazines and tabloid journalism using pull quotes and other forms of teaser (which most of us probably actually ignore, having also self-trained to avoid big flashy noise on the page as usually advertising). But it's still the same non-encyclopedic article content flow. This will be especially apparent to users of screen readers, and anyone else not using our default CSS and JavaScript (which is where that boxing layout comes from); quotoids are also a [[WP:ACCESS]] and [[WP:REUSE]] problem. Basically, a WP article needs to make perfect sense if you copy-paste its text into a plain text editor without any formatting left other than line-breaks. With quotations in particular, this demonstrates why introductory contextual material identifying it as a quotation is important, because it'll lose its indentation when used as raw text. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)</p> |
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:::{{U|SMcCandlish}}{{snd}}Followup: It doesn't look like {quote frame} can substitute, because there doesn't seem to be any way to control the width of the box. I'd still like to hear your response to my point just above here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Fixed. All the parameters of {{tnull|Quote box}} should just be ported over to {{tnull|Quote frame}} for merger. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::I hate to say it but it still looks awful, at least because (a) there's too little margin between the box and adjacent text and (b) the text looks like it's at 100%, where I'd expect 90% (and 90%, IMHO, looks way better). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:17, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Easy CSS tweaks. As for font size, there are limits to how small to make it, and any reduction generates complaints from the [[MOS:ACCESS]] crowd. However, the hard limit is 85% last I looked, so your 90% would be permissible. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 11:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC) |
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===Continued discussion re quote boxes=== |
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OK, let's take an isolated example, involving a subject with whom I suspect you're familiar. What do you think of the boxed quotation at [[Herb_Caen#Honors]]? Do you really think it would do its job better if run into the text as a block quote, introduced by something like {{tq|At the ceremony, Caen said to the crowd:}} ? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:17, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Say, ol' {{U|SMcCandlish}}, I'd really like to resume engagement on this topic. We can take it slowly. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::I don't think it does an encyclopedic job at all. It's magazine-style fluff. If multiple sources indicate this quip was widely considered memorable, controversial, influential, etc. (i.e., had lasting significance), then it might be encyclopedically useful to include it in the main material with some context. Keep in mind that Caen was first and foremost a humorist (his lead is actually poor in this regard, suggesting with just "journalist" that he was mainly a straight news man – I just went and added "humorist"), so half of what he wrote or said in public was funny, clever, and remembered by someone somewhere. Given that the lead already establishes that his entire {{lang|fr|œuvre}} was "a continuous love letter to San Francisco", it's not encyclopedically useful to browbeat the reader with a quote showing his affection for the city, certainly not in a huge, attention-demanding box.<!-- |
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--><p>A completely different way to approach this question would be to ask another one: If a mainstream nonfiction book from, say, Chicago University Press, had used this quotation in a book or a chapter about Caen, and it was not a book given to cutesy decoration, just a regular ol' straightforward book like any other, would it have used a fancy offset box for this, or presented it as any other quotation? That's kind of a trick question, because probably either it wouldn't have been used, or it might have been used as a humorous tone-setting device in the form of a centered but visually offset quotation at the beginning of the piece. The latter is another non-encyclopedic use of quotations, what I call a "fake pull quote" in that it isn't repetition of material already in the main text, but looks exactly like such a pull quote and serves the same "try to cajole the reader into continuing, and having in mind what you want them to have in mind, feeling what you want them to feel" psychological manipulation. A regular book probably would not have used this otherwise, except as an inline or block quotation (depending on their house-style length limits) in a passage that dwelt in depth on Caen and his feelings about SF. In our piece, we have no such section, and the section into which this has been shoehorned as a fake pull quote isn't even relevant (being about honors received by the writer, not about his love of San Francisco). It's even crappy as a fake pull quote, since it comes too late to have any "hook" effect; the sole purpose of it being there is subjective layout gimcrackery. In short, just because it's reasonable to do what that article does in some contexts in some other publications doesn't means it's good to do it here. It's a kind of a usage-register matter. We have this huge-ass [[WP:NOT]] policy (growing all the time) because of so many things that "are", out there in the world, that WP isn't and should be made to masquerade as. I won't reiterate the [[WP:ACCESS]] and [[WP:REUSE]] matters from the earlier incarnation of this thread.</p><!-- |
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--><p>PS: If I were to salvage that quote in the article, what I would do is restructure the lead: take the "love letter" bit and the "voice and conscience" bit, along with this quote with some intro context (maybe not as a block quotation – it's ~30 words, and the lead already has one), and from these parts build a third paragraph on the Caen–SF connection, after "The secret of Caen's success" material. (Or as 2nd para., before the "secret" material.) This would also vastly improve the run-on lead sentence by shortening it and making it less repetitive (it includes the string "San Francisco" {{em|five}} times).<br /><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 11:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)</p> |
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:::I'm going to pull in {{U|Binksternet}} on this, for starters on the idea that Caen was a "humorist". While he had a great sense of humor it would never have occurred to me in a thousand years to call him a humorist. Nor does any source I can find use the word. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Ping response: I have seen Caen called a journalist, a diarist and of course a columnist, but ''Reason'' magazine called him a [https://reason.com/1987/03/01/jack-kerouac-american/ "humorist"] (in quotes) in 1987 and ''Time'' magazine called him a [http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984687,00.html columnist-humorist] in 1996. More recently, a Solano County newspaper writer lumped Caen in with other [https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/solano-news/local-features/local-lifestyle-columns/an-homage-to-erma-bombeck/ humor columnists]. So the label is not unsupported. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 20:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::OK, and what about the original issue of the quotation? Don't make me regret pinging you. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Or, more importantly to me, this bit: "This would also vastly improve the run-on lead sentence by shortening it and making it less repetitive (it includes the string "San Francisco" {{em|five}} times)." It's just really poor writing to do that, even if it's a result of editorial palimpsest over a long period of time. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 12:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== I presume this is a joke == |
== I presume this is a joke == |
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*This is uniformly excellent, clever, and dare I say genre-savvy. Post more of these, please. Thanks.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC) |
*This is uniformly excellent, clever, and dare I say genre-savvy. Post more of these, please. Thanks.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::The "virtual reality projector turned off" image is quite clearly a picture of [[The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin|Reggie Perrin]]'s mother in law. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC) |
::The "virtual reality projector turned off" image is quite clearly a picture of [[The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin|Reggie Perrin]]'s mother in law. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Image == |
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Hope you don't mind, but I removed the porta potty image from the ANI thread with my name in it. I don't feel it's fair for the thread which is about me to have this image in it, and could have an effect of subtly serving to portray me in a negative manner. Hope you understand. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 09:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Oversensitive. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== A quickie == |
== A quickie == |
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::I note you are still on patrol. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 01:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC) |
::I note you are still on patrol. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 01:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well, you know how I get once I taste blood. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC) |
:::Well, you know how I get once I taste blood. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== '''"...merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." --Thomas Jefferson''' == |
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I could not help<span style="color:#0645AD"><sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Citation (horse)|Citation]] [[Need, California|Need]][[ed (text editor)|ed]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></span> noticing that your so-called "User Page"[https://www.zapatopi.net/blackhelicopters/] mentions a "Cabal".[http://www.guymacon.com/flame.html] |
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There Is No Cabal (TINC). We discussed this at the last Cabal meeting, and everyone agreed that There Is No Cabal. An announcement was made in ''Cabalist: The Official Newsletter of The Cabal'' making it clear that There Is No Cabal. The words "There Is No Cabal" are in ten-foot letters on the side of the 42-story International Cabal Headquarters, and an announcement that There Is No Cabal is shown at the start of every program on The Cabal Network. If that doesn't convince people that There Is No Cabal, I don't know what will. |
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BTW, here is the source for the Jefferson quote above:[https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-4882] --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 03:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== coach == |
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Re [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Concord_coach&diff=893414805&oldid=893413957] - [https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e17d80a8-01a9-44c0-b6d0-125d1489c6d0]. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 10:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Should all instances of 'tbd' in this article be changed to 'TBD'? == |
== Should all instances of 'tbd' in this article be changed to 'TBD'? == |
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:So, changing tbd to TBD is Tbd? --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 17:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
:So, changing tbd to TBD is Tbd? --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 17:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::That [[Jeremy_Bentham#Death_and_the_auto-icon|remains to be seen]]. In answer to the OP's query: personally I'd use all caps, but if there's resistance to change I don't expect this is a hill worth dying on. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
::That [[Jeremy_Bentham#Death_and_the_auto-icon|remains to be seen]]. In answer to the OP's query: personally I'd use all caps, but if there's resistance to change I don't expect this is a hill worth dying on. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 21 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Thank you == |
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Those are now ''much'' improved. To be honest, I'm slightly annoyed at how quickly you were able to improve them, and by how much, but I'll take solace in taking full credit. Re the lawyer one: I think it's a good punchline, but the set-up feels contrived. The idea is the lawyer keeps "appealing" until he gets to the constitution, which he edits. Maybe he should go to different courts? Maybe it should start with the jury being polled and "not a vote"? Maybe the whole joke should be much shorter? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Well I wasn't planning to get into it, but since we're here I'll tell you what I think needs doing in that joke, though it's not a coherent plan. A successful joke must incorporate some kind of incongruity in the punchline, usually (though not universally) in the form of a reversal or change of point of view. This is partly why jokes so often have three parts: two set a pattern, direction, or point of view, and the third breaks the pattern or reverses the direction. (The desert island / raft joke breaks the "3" mold, but that's OK because part of the joke is the tedious multiple chances we give vandals.) Now I think the right thing to do in the lawyer joke might be to have the ''judge'' do all the citing of shortcuts (to set the pattern) and then at the end the lawyer rewrites the book or something and invokes ANYONECANEDIT, thus turning the tables. I don't have the details worked out, and honestly it's a tricky story to sustain unless the ripostes are truly bang-on to the various shortcuts that get cited, but I think that's the right framework. Having said that, the opening call by the lawyer to REVERT the verdict is the best line of the joke, and I don't see offhand how to put that into the mouth of the judge. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::What if they both cite shortcuts. What do you think of this, quick and dirty: |
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::Jury: Guilty |
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::Lawyer: [[WP:Revert]] |
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::Judge: [[WP:0RR]], the jury is sending your client to jail |
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::Lawyer: [[WP:Move review]] |
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::Judge: affirms [[WP:Consensus]] |
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::Lawyer: (Notavote? IAR?) |
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::Judge: [[WP:PAG]]s |
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::Lawyer: {{t|citation needed}} |
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::Judge: shows him the book |
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::Lawyer: [[WP:ANYONECANEDIT]] |
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::Alternate ending: the ''defendant'' edits the book and cites ANYONECANEDIT <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 20:38, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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Well, that has possibilities, because half of essays and PAGs have a corresponding essay or PAG that tends to say the opposite. They're not all coming to mind though. Here's something: |
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:Jury: The result of the discussion was '''delete'''. <small>('''Jailify'''? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span>)</small> |
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:Lawyer: Poll the jury? |
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:Judge: WP:NOTAVOTE |
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:Lawyer: Rv? |
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:Judge: 0RR |
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:Lawyer: DRV? |
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:Judge: FORUMSHOPPING |
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:Lawyer: IAR? <small>(CONSENSUSCANCHANGE? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span>)</small> |
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:Judge: DROPTHESTICK |
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:Lawyer: [...something...] |
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:Judge: [...something...] |
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:Lawyer: [...something about editing a PAG...] [[WP:ANYONECANEDIT]] |
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:Defendant: <bolting for the door> [[WP:Wikipedia does not need me]] |
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[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::I like it! Some suggestions above and also: [[WP:TTR]]/[[WP:DTTR]], [[WP:NORUSH]]/[[WP:NOW]], [[WP:SPADE]]/[[WP:NOSPADE]] <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 00:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I like jailify. You take it from here. Let me know when you're ready for me to look again. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC) |
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"Has the jury reached a verdict?" the judge asks.<br/> |
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"Yes, your honor," the jury fore<del>man</del>person replies. "The result of the discussion was '''jailify'''."<br/> |
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The wikilawyer jumped from his chair. "[[WP:NOTAVOTE|NOTAVOTE]]!" The judge shakes her head, "[[WP:CONSENSUS|CONSENSUS]] has been reached."<br/> |
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"[[WP:REVERT|REVERT]]!" exclaims the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "[[WP:0RR|0RR]]."<br/> |
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"[[WP:DRV|DRV]]!" the wikilawyer demands. The judge shakes her head, "No [[WP:FORUMSHOPPING|FORUMSHOPPING]]."<br/> |
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"There is [[WP:NORUSH|NORUSH]]!" argues the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "The deadline is [[WP:NOW|NOW]]."<br/> |
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"[[WP:DTTR|DTTR]]!" the wikilawyer asserts. The judge shakes her head, "[[WP:TTR|TTR]]."<br/> |
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"[[WP:NOSPADE|NOSPADE]]!" pleads the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "[[WP:SPADE|SPADE]]."<br/> |
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"[[WP:IAR|IAR]]!" the wikilawyer shouts. The judge shakes her head, "[[WP:DROPTHESTICK|DROPTHESTICK]]."<br/> |
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"[[WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY|NOTBUREAUCRACY]]!" retorts the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head and points to a book on her desk, "[[WP:PAG|PAG]]s."<br/> |
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The wikilawyer grabs the book and tears out all the pages. "[[WP:ANYONECANEDIT|ANYONECANEDIT]]!" he cackles.<br/> |
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"[[WP:BLOCK|BLOCK]]!" orders the judge. The court officers to take the wikilawyer into custody.<br/> |
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Seeing the officers occupied, the defendant bolts for the door, yelling, "[[WP:Wikipedia does not need me]]!" <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 02:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Pretty good, {{U|Levivich}}. I think you've pulled it off for this month. But in the future I think it's a bad idea to commit in advance to producing a humor column. I'd suggest making it an "occasional feature", so that when it's ready it's ready. I must say I admire your ability to produce stuff on deadline. I certainly can't do that. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::"...if you display any knowledge of our products we'll fire you" made me LOL. Thanks! Do you think you could like, you know... check my contribs every day and just follow behind me and improve everything I do? Can I send you some work emails to look at before I send them out? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 20:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Good sir, this has gone too far == |
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[https://i.imgur.com/XfiCPTn.png Talk about "distorted"]. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 11:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:''[http://heavytable.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/tilt-machines-pinball.jpg TILT!]'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Some gravestones for you! == |
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[[File:William French grave died saving a drowning dog.JPG|thumb|left|upright=0.8]] |
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[[File:CoL Cemetery – 20180515 140909 (42127610681).jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.8]] |
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Seeing as [[:File:Abney Park – 20180710 110251 (42600535824).jpg|the world's most petulant grave]] sparked off an almighty thread about sewer lions, have a couple more oddities I found while transferring assorted clutter to Commons from the smouldering wreckage of Flickr. Zoom in to read the inscriptions. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC) |
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*Your contribution has been [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=893960673 duly entered in the Great Register]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC) |
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*A complaint about that M2HSS section (well, aside from the one about your support for that crank who demanded it be retitled away from "list of…" because it needed a standalone article and then never bothered to actually write said article, so we're now left with an "article" that has no text whatsoever other than the existing brief summary of the parent article); {{tq|the quaint identification of the actors' stations in life}} wasn't some kind of quaint Victorian snobbery, but was done very explicitly by Watts to make it clear that people from all walks of life were equally capable of doing good deeds—a very radical sentiment for the time, when the two main schools of thought were one-nation toryism ("well-educated people have a duty to do great deeds, because the great unwashed are too stupid to do them for themselves") or proto-socialism ("the rich are all crooked and in it for themselves or they wouldn't be rich, so only the poor are capable of decency"). I do keep meaning to get around to doing Watts's biography—he was a fascinating character who pretty much invented radical chic a century early, as well as the guy who Barack Obama cites as his reason for entering politics (all that "Hope" stuff was explicitly a reference to [[Hope (painting)|''Hope'' (painting)]], even if hardly anyone got the reference)—but that's another of those articles that's in such a poor state it would need a complete nuke-and-rewrite and consequently treading on multiple toes. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 16:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:I'm afraid I've never been a fan of the article{{ndash}}list distinction anyway, but I will eagerly support you in whatever reform you propose on that score. If you need any help getting obscure sources on Watts (there certainly are a lot) let me know. {{pb}}I did not know about ''Hope'' -- interesting. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::I have a lot more stacked up to do before I even consider Watts (although I may do some of the more interesting paintings; at the moment we have an odd situation where ''Hope'', ''[[Mammon (painting)|Mammon]]'' and ''[[After the Deluge (painting)|After the Deluge]]'' are at FA quality and everything else is a redlink). If I go back to doing biographies (I don't really like writing them) [[Zachariah Pearson]] and [[Albert Joseph Moore]], two Victorian chancers who deserve better coverage than their current atrocious articles, will probably be next. |
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::It's not the article/list distinction that's the issue; it's the fact that the list was intentionally on a subpage so people wanting to read about it would be directed to [[Postman's Park|the page that actually has the story of the monument on it]] (the histories of the park and the memorial are inseparable, as the former was created to accommodate the latter), but because the redirect has been deleted and the list moved over it, anyone searching for the memorial ([https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=wiki.riteme.site&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Memorial_to_Heroic_Self-Sacrifice thanks to ''Closer'' there's a slow but steady stream]) now lands directly on the list subpage and assumes that Wikipedia doesn't have anything to say about the topic. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:36, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well I'm always ready to help. I can get [http://hollis.harvard.edu just about anything] with no trouble. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I'll see your [http://hollis.harvard.edu almost everything] and raise you [https://www.bl.uk/ everything], with [https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/guildhall-library/Pages/default.aspx a backstop] for those oddities that don't make it into copyright libraries. The South East may be filthy, overcrowded and eye-poppingly expensive, but it has certain advantages. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Meanwhile I have to rely on ''Nationallizenzen'' and [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library]] as I seldom get time to go in a library and the topics I write about are usually better covered in academic journals. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 18:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{U|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}, my offer extends to you too. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::Thanks. Maybe I'll ask for something in the future. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 06:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Well please don't ask in the past. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Well I visualized this not as a competition, but rather a teaming of complementary collections (British and American). Since I'm at Harvard several times a week it's especially convenient for me, and their stacks are open so I can skim unlimited numbers books and journals for relevant material. Two other points: I wonder if your relationship with BL gives you online access to all their journals, as I have through Harvard (e.g. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=894138878]); and (and it really pains me to say this) I spent a substantial amount of time at BL some time ago and was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMIyDf3gBoY shocked -- ''SHOCKED!''] at the really low quality of the research staff there. I mean astounded. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC) |
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I think it's high time we had an essay on this. Feel free to add humour to taste. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
I think it's high time we had an essay on this. Feel free to add humour to taste. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:Surely you mean "humor to tasteless"? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
:Surely you mean "humor to tasteless"? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 27#Uncontrollable_shitting]] - I think it should be redirected to [[potty mouth]]. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 10:47, 4 May 2019 (UTC) |
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Your Highness may want to lend an amused eye to [[Talk:Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Disputed pre-2015 content, by theme]], wherein your humble worshipper attempts to argue that the [[fall of the Soviet Union]] in 1991 was ''not'' an obvious precursor to Donald Trump's election in 2016. Neither was Trump's heroic attempt to sell [[Trump Vodka|American vodka]] to Russians. Oh the humanity! — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 03:17, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:I try to stay out of American politics articles because sooner or later someone will drag in my talk page and there will be gnashing of teeth and tearing out of hair. But I think I saw my notes on ''useful idiot'' the other day. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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This pioneering attempt at a wooden gravestone dating from the early 1970s reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on what it is. Are you able to help? ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 15:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:[[Penis]] or [[mushroom]], IMO. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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::I get asked that regularly. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 16:42, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:::So does Trump. From what Arid Desiccant says, the last erection was in the 1970s so there's a parallel there as well. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC) |
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*While we're on the subject, have the world's least sentimental gravestone. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 15:06, 7 May 2019 (UTC) |
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::"In loving memory of GEORGE HARRISON who died in great agony ... aged 5 1/2 years ... Also SARAH HARRISON grandma of the above who died after long suffering ..." YIKES!{{pb}}I saw a very touching marker the other day in [[St. Paul's Chapel]], NYC: |
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:::''Beneath the Altar of this Church are deposited the Remains of Mrs ELIZABETH FRANKLIN, Wife of His Excellency WILLIAM FRANKLIN Esq: late Governor under His Brittanick Majesty, of the Province of New Jersey.{{pb}}Compelled, by the adverse circumstances of the Times, to depart from the Husband she loved, and at length deprived of the soothing hope of his speedy Return, she sunk under accumulated Distresses and departed this Life on the on 28th Day of July 1778, in the 49th Year of her Age.{{pb}}SINCERITY and SENSIBILITY<br/>POLITENESS and AFFABILITY<br/>GODLINESS and CHARITY</br>Were, with SENSE refined and PERSON elegant, in her UNITED.{{pb}}From a grateful Remembrance of her affectionate Tenderness and constant Performance of all the duties of a GOOD WIFE, this Monument is erected in the Year 1787, by Him who knew her Worth, and still laments her Loss.'' |
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::[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:::This is why we have COI rules. I wonder what it would have said if she had written it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 13:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC) |
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There's probably a decent book—or essay at least—to be written on why pre-industrial England (and the assorted other nations in its sphere), and the late-Victorian death cult, produced such peculiar graves among the middle and upper-middle classes to an extent that was never replicated anywhere else or in any other period. When it comes to truly weird gravestones, the undisputed champion is that of John Renie, in the otherwise totally godforsaken town of Monmouth. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 19:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC) |
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I just found out that [https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1983/06/26/a-happy-life-afterward-doesnt-make-up-for-torture/ab680b30-237b-4b7a-b6da-1f7ab3da9208/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1d4eb10afec9 [[Dax Cowart]]] died a little over a week ago, April 28th. I updated his bio. Thank you for your help in improving the article. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:My pleasure. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:18, 11 May 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I have been called a shill for pretty much every company, service and product mentioned at [[User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.]] (and a paid shill for the "Twisty Bulb Cartel" when I mentioned that compact fluorescent bulbs use less energy than incandescent bulbs, but LED bulbs use less than either), So a special "when did you stop beating your fellow Wikipedia editors?" award seems like it would fit right in on my shelf... --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 01:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC) |
:::Well, I have been called a shill for pretty much every company, service and product mentioned at [[User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.]] (and a paid shill for the "Twisty Bulb Cartel" when I mentioned that compact fluorescent bulbs use less energy than incandescent bulbs, but LED bulbs use less than either), So a special "when did you stop beating your fellow Wikipedia editors?" award seems like it would fit right in on my shelf... --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 01:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:I want to thank you on EEng's behalf for providing him with this helpful advice. Since he is a new editor at Wikipedia, I'm sure that he has never heard any of that before. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:24, 4 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::Can we can safely say that EEng's page has too much [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcAdwNOfyUQ shit?] [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 11:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::And now, there is Russian interference with EEng's talk page! {{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:18, 5 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::::OMG, how very dare you!! Trypto you're [[Ismo Leikola|Finnished]] here. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::[[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] Martin beat me ''to the punch'' or did he Finnish me ''with a punch?'' [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:08, 5 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::I believe EEng has made the following offer. |
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:::{{tq|Mail, with a SASE, a 64 GByte thumb drive, to EEng, requesting the most up-to-date version of this talk page. Should 64 GBytes be insufficient, a 120 Gbyte solid-state drive will do. Before chosing your media, check the current page size.}} |
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::— [[User:Neonorange|Neonorange]] ([[User talk:Neonorange|Phil]]) 02:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Ridiculous! It's only...oh my...2MB! <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 03:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC) |
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Ah-ha! Mister so-called [[User:EngFram|EEngFram]]! I knew it was you all along. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:I am unmasked! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::Ah shucks. Never mind. I knew the [[Fancy Dress Party|"Eric Honecker in drag" theme]] would never really catch on. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC) <small>... still it's comforting to know that we are a [[Street of Shame|lofty encyclopedia]] and can [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUGVEDAmhzg rise above all this]</small> |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=prev&oldid=901714630] Mostly, I'm annoyed by the reverts. Consensus position here is not yours, so if you really think it belongs, get some people together to agree with you instead. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:In articles, where there's doubt about inclusion of material the consensus principle calls for exclusion by default in the absence of agreement. On talk pages the reverse is true: within ''very'' wide bounds the default is to retain things, and the only person who seems to actually object can't formulate what his objection is [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=901830072]. There {{U|Izno}} tedious pun on your username coming to mind just now so we'll have to leave that for another time. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:: I suppose you should be thankful that [[Darth Vader|I'm actually your father]], otherwise you would have ended up at AE rather than EWN per the below notification. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Oh I wouldn't subject EEng to AE for trying to have some fun. I'm a monster, but not THAT kind of monster. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 16:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::::So, not a rancor? Maybe the Sarlacc pit? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm really more of a Trade Federation sort of monster. I'll subject you to endless bureaucracy! [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 17:08, 14 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:Some father you are. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:Much appreciated. It's clear some people are having trouble respecting others' talk page contributions, so this should help. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Amendment_request:_DS_Awareness_and_alerts Contribute] if you've a mind to. j/s [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I gave up on understanding or worrying about DS long ago. I'm just me and if I get in trouble, I guess I get in trouble. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC) |
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This undeserved praise regards this modest edit [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=902874720]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
This undeserved praise regards this modest edit [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=902874720]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=903104488#Canvassing_and_other_disruptive_behavior_by_7&6=thirteen Permalink -- see the image]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== A link == |
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Morning - I was hoping you'd remember a link you posted a while back to a YouTube video showing a group of scholars talking about creating an encyclopedia. I started scrolling your UTP from the rock-toothback discussion back to discussions in Dec 2018 and didn't see it. Perhaps it was in the museum? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=904039788#Some_Entertaining_Diversions]. And to think they say I'm disorganized. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::<small>(And that's about the kindest thing they say... lol.) Harvard graduates... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w know your limits]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC) </small> |
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:::Call T&S! Martin is harassing EEng and me! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:11, 30 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:::For those who don't know, Harvard graduates are a [[Mental Health (Discrimination) Act 2013|protected group against discrimination]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC) |
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<br>ISSUE RATIONALES UNCLEAR? |
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Hah! [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 01:53, 2 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:The [[Ontario Highway 401|401]] is the busiest talk page in North Wikipedimerica, by [[annual average daily traffic|Annualized Average Daily Talk page visits]]. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 01:59, 2 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Contractions == |
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Um... "Can not" is considered incorrect too.[[User:CuteDolphin712|CuteDolphin712]] ([[User talk:CuteDolphin712|talk]]) 06:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{U|CuteDolphin712}}: I realize that, but Wikipedia's Manual of Style doesn't attempt to teach general English. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::Is it time to call the obstetrician? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::"Once more unto the [[Breech birth|grammar breach]], dear [[User:EEng|Prince Hal]], once more!" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::::EEng, I'd follow you anywhere, even not on [[Saint Crispin's Day]]. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 20:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Re: ping == |
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I couldn't think of any betters lines myself, but hopefully something will come to me before NYB's limerick contest starts. I think there is a joke in here, though, about the WMF's "light touch" nearly bringing down the house. Something like ''The WMF released a new tool for laser-focused, surgical interventions. It's a less drastic version of the global indef ban. It can be limited in time, it can be limited to a specific project, and it only removes from that project the target user and three bureaucrats, two interface admins, two global renamers, a template editor, twenty-four administrators and a couple dozen veteran editors.'' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== yeah == |
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[[file:Roosterhawaii.jpg|thumb|upright=.5|such a cockup. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])<br>....coming soon to [[Lightwing Rooster|an airport hear you]]]] |
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but look at all those airports he helped liberate from the British during the Revolution. It was yuge. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 18:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Just in case other TPSs are confused. I think [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohciere kim Jong-un]] may be referring to this [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-speech-july-4th-salute-america-airports-proud-boys-rain-a8989311.html "embarrassing mess"]. How amazing. But let's be kind and just call it [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/03/donald-trump-fourth-of-july-parade-speech-independence-day "a narcissistic travesty"]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*[[User:EEng#Museum_of_Trump_is_So_Fucking_Stupid_He_Inhabits_a_Special_Galaxy_of_Fucking_Stupid_All_His_Own]] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:*And let's face it, a [[Lockheed C-5 Galaxy|galaxy]] is pretty big. -- [[New Boots and Panties!!|Clevor Trever 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:57, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:You know I tried to get to the white house on a self guided tour months ago ~ all I got was a letter ~ '''REQUEST DENIED''' ~ it's true ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 21:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::The U.S. of A. is "cocked and loaded" to be able to "ram the ramparts" ''(real quotes)''. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::Better call [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Emergency!_characters#Rampart_General_Hospital_Staff Dr.Bracket and Dixie McCall] [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 21:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Holy American pop culture, Batman! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:43, 7 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::WTF? (= "What the French?") [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
::WTF? (= "What the French?") [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::LOL ~ you had me scared ~~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 03:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
::LOL ~ you had me scared ~~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 03:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== do you give objective == |
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[[File:Glitter close up.jpg|thumb|upright=.5|more glitter [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])]] |
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3rd opinions on user conduct? [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 03:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Dlohcierekim}}, um, well, I'll do my best to help. I suspect the glitterati assembled here will offer their wisdom as well. Or, if it's your idea to send me an email, I prefer not interact off-wiki unless there's a really good reason; you can do that but I'm likely to keep our interaction to the minimum necessary to help you decide what to do. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. Glitteratic assessment could not hurt. I just don't want to cause needless drama if I'm wrong. I'll put it together and come back. {At least it's not about [[wrestling|your favorite subject]].) [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 10:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Apparently I glitter at multiple user talk pages, but I'm guessing this is related to what is at [[User talk:Doc James]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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{{reply|Tryptofish}}Maaaaaaybe. Still awaiting feedback and busy getting my pipes worked on tomorrow. Yes, that is a metaphor. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 21:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Sure, no problem, I was just trying to let readers here know. I wish you and your pipes all the best. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::| | | | | | <-- in case you need more pipes, Dlohcierekim. It's uppercase back slash (Mac keyboard), but you must've known back slash is what you'd get before you came here. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 21:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*Dlohcierekim: You must have stalked me for more than a week to catch me posting a comment in response to QuackGuru not realizing that I have a longer history on that page than the editor you're accusing me to stalk. I don't have much time and nerve for things like that so again I'm just kindly asking you to cut it out and let be. I don't appreciate your threats and the harm it is doing to my personal well being.[[User:TracyMcClark|--TMCk]] ([[User talk:TracyMcClark|talk]]) 22:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*:Well so far this is going swimmingly. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::You know I went to a swimming hole ~ just the other day ~ [[Hamilton Pool Preserve|hole]] ~ the water looks nice and refreshing ~ on a hot summer day ~ until you jump in ~ and find out ''it's spring fed''' and 56° [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 22:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Be careful where you [https://www.businessinsider.com/flesh-eating-bacteria-spreading-due-to-warmer-oceans-2019-6 swim]. Calm waters aren't always as [http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21034344/ns/health-infectious_diseases/t/die-brain-eating-amoeba-after-swimming/#.XS5VTVB7l24 calm] as they seem...especially AN/I during the weekend. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::I stand corrected ~ ? ~ [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_Pool_Preserve&diff=906603798&oldid=903480446 très froid] [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 23:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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: Never swim in Florida. If the gators don't get you, the flesh eating bacteria or the brain eating amoebas will. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 23:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::This is all moot now. Let the swimming continue. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 03:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::You see now why I'm in such demand as a mediator. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::😂 <small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 03:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::{{u|Mitchellhobbs}} - are you an enterprising WP editor? If yes, and you're swimming in Hamilton Pool, then you're close enough to recruit. I've been trying to round-up some WP editors to help me start a WP Group or Chapter (was advised to start with a group). Any interest or know others who might be? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 03:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::::{{reply|Eeng}} Hah! I wish. To continue the "pool" motif, we've jumped in at the shallow end, struck our head on the bottom, and swum, dazed as it were, to the deep end. Now foundering but for the help of a whiz with an ice bucket. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 10:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::<small>Well D, that explains everything. 😂 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 19:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::From the latest in glitterati, I see per [[User talk:Bishonen]] that this has now been resolved. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:55, 19 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Atsme}} Hmm ` I don't know if I am a enterprising WP editor ~ I do let my girls use my computer some times ` why what did you have in mind ~ I don't go to Hamilton pool very often it's kind of out of the way ~ I find myself closer to [[Wells Branch, Texas#Mills Pond|Mills pond]] ~ I have to give the water a chance to warm up a little ~ I guess by the time Saturday rolls around I will grab my bottle of Olay ~ [https://www.riteaid.com/shop/olay-body-ultra-moisture-body-wash-with-shea-butter-13-5-oz-8016436?ra_group=gPLA30pct16&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1MXpBRDjARIsAHtdN-06CNuCcnnBegq3RXqeJE4RKEx3jJ2i4-arfCRRMEVq0PDxXxDPSXEaAgtbEALw_wcB sun screen] ~ it seems to work pretty good ~ and the girls seem to [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-0HhAL6vBLtQLknQhIr8qA laugh historically] when I go in for my weekly [[Bathing|dip]] ~ so hey I'm up ~ what do I have to do ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 19:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== High quality content alert == |
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You might enjoy the box at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Korea]] (oldid: {{Oldid2|906390750}}), which seems to be the relic of a long-running edit war with a bot —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] <sup>([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nizolan|c.]])</sup> 14:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*[[Destroy the Robots]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[William Wallace Lincoln]] == |
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You deleted "Abraham Lincoln cared for Tad, who was still very ill and was heartbroken over the loss of his brother." with the edit summary of "a personal nurse was a commonplace at that time, and while no doubt the president was very attentive to Tad, he didn't care for him alone". Nevertheless, no personal nurses are mentioned in the cited source ("Lincoln"/David Herbert Donald) which states on [https://books.google.com/books?id=fuTY3mxs9awC&pg=PA336#v=onepage&q&f=false Page 336] "The President gained some respite from his suffering by caring for Tad, who was still very ill and heartbroken over the loss of his brother. Often Lincoln lay on the bed beside his sick son to soothe him and give him comfort." The source doesn't seem to state that Lincoln was the only caregiver/nursemaid for his son but it does state that he provided a large measure of care for Tad. Anyway, was wondering if you'd consider restoring that content or something close to it back into the article. Thanks, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 05:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for stopping by. Re the nurse, I was talking about Mary's nurse -- I removed mention that Mary had a nurse because had the bereaved bedridden wife of the president NOT had a nurse, that's what the article would mention; that she ''did'' have a nurse would be a commonplace. I added back that AL found solace in caring for Tad, but not the broken heart because, again, if Tad had not a care that his brother had just died, that's what we'd need to mention. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC) |
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...that your 24 minutes in the wilderness weren't too unpleasant. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC) |
...that your 24 minutes in the wilderness weren't too unpleasant. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:...What you need, EEng, is a [[Wooly Willy|good disguise]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC) |
:...What you need, EEng, is a [[Wooly Willy|good disguise]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections]] == |
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Is it paranoia or just curiosity to wonder if visitors from the [[Internet Research Agency]] will show up there? [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 23:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Speaking of geography initiatives == |
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Is any sort of clean-up required [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers&diff=908564343&oldid=908558933 here]? [[Special:Contributions/80.41.128.7|80.41.128.7]] ([[User talk:80.41.128.7|talk]]) 18:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:That's quite enough out of you, Mr. Smarty Pants. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::Mm-hmm. [[Special:Contributions/80.41.128.7|80.41.128.7]] ([[User talk:80.41.128.7|talk]]) 21:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Frivolous commentary == |
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[[File:Weeds in Vacant Lot (5941291239).jpg|thumb|A possible example of a [[tragedy of the anticommons]] problem: Disused property overtaken by weeds.]] |
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Yes, we know you're clever, EE, but for you to take prime space at the top of a discussion to insert your witty cartoons is not OK; just annoying. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:44, 4 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:It's now in a less-prime point in the thread. Always good to hear from you. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::How does one distinguish prime Wiki-real estate from sub-prime Wiki-real estate?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::One must consider the possibility that the presence of an eyesore may produce a significant negative impact on the value of any real estate and adversely deprecate its resale value, thus lowering "prime real estate" to "not-so-prime-as-it-once-was real estate".-- [[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 18:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Anyone know where I can get the Wikipedia version of Monopoly? --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 17:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Wouldn't you know it: [[User:EEng#Monopwiki]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::: "Go Directly to [[Ashworth Hospital|Jail]]. Do not [[WP:FAC|pass Go]]. Do not collect [[News of the World|£200.]]" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::In today's environment it's risky to forget the {{fbdb}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::You know ~~ ~ I met a [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0175122/mediaviewer/rm46476544 frivolous python] one time ~ [[Rikki-Tikki-Tavi|she was very friendly]] ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 02:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC) |
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===Another visit from Dicklyon=== |
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A whole fucking month! Wow! You can imagine how I felt when my uncontroversial work of the last four ''years'' was used as reason to try to indef block me. And all you did was post your stupid little cartoons instead of looking at the evidence or shutting the fuck up. Practice what you preach, man. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 22:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:It took me a bit to figure out what you're talking about. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=909067386] I wasn't taking sides and neither did the joke. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M Try to look on the bright side.]{{pb}}If it means anything to you, I hope you don't get blocked, really I do. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for that, I guess. They already let me off with "no collusion, no obstruction"; in other words, not exonerated and with the cloud of BMK still hanging over me. Per not taking sides, see my remarks there about neutrality cowardice. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 23:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== Archive much? == |
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[[File:Fondos_archivo.jpg|thumb|upright=.7|Archives!? We ain't got no stinkin' archives!-- [[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])]] |
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I don't mean to be a bit rude, but your talk page is a bit annoying to scan through, maybe you can fix it? Cheers! [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:Research shows that 15% of it is people asking me to archive. Now and then I do make a pass. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::HeisenbEEng's Principle: it is impossible to add a note to EEng's talk page commenting on its size without changing the size. <small>Disclaimer: this phenomenon is actually closer related to the [[Observer effect (physics)|observer effect]] than Heisenberg's [[uncertainty principle]].</small> [[User:Mandarax|<span style="color:green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></span>]] <span style="color:blue">•</span> [[User talk:Mandarax|<span style="color:#999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</span>]] 18:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::I'd guess it's more like 25-40% of editors who are annoyed. But, we are fond of you DESPITE your long talk page. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Speaking of making a pass, Liz: Will you marry me? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::{{ec}} As to me, I actually appreciate its length. It doesn't load instantaneously, which forces me to slow down when reading stuff on my watchlist. It's a reminder to savor every moment in life, and to appreciate the fact that I don't have to use a dial-up modem anymore. I praise the length of this page! —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contribs/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 02:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixljWVyPby0#t=63s Surely] a most thoughtful and [[wikt:make a virtue of necessity|philosophically sophisticated]] attitude. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh my God, {{u|Mendaliv}}, you'll even defend the length of EEng's talk page. Is ''nothing'' beneath you?{{fbdb}} <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::"Zu groß, zu klein, [Sie] könnte etwas größer sein" --Rammstein-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b> 10:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
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===Synchronicity=== |
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[[File:Electric-chainsaw.jpg|thumb|(cough)-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b>]] |
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::''Original heading: "Archive this page"'' |
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Please, EEng, archive this talk page. It's hilarious if you're on a fast connection; otherwise it won't load, and is quite aggravating. It also isn't particularly fair to people who may want to contact you. Make your userpage as long as you want, because nobody's required to look at that; but this page needs to be usable. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 15:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Vanamonde}}, as you can see, I am either clairvoyant or able to read your mind [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=910801042]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:47, 14 August 2019 (UTC) <small> Correcing ping: {{U|Vanamonde93}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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===A commemorative poem=== |
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*Sections were archived,<br>one by one, like tears falling,<br>but saved forever. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 07:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::That is truly beautiful. Will you agree to recite it at my funeral? It's tomorrow. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Simple solution...User talk:EEng1, User talk:EEng2 and so on...that way, it's non-stop entertainment with user determined breaks inbetween. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*I was wondering, "How did he find a picture of a butt anyway?" So I looked, and, ''of course'' Commons has a [[:c:Category:Female buttocks in sculpture]], one of several sub-categories of [[:c:Category:Female buttocks in art]], which in turn is a sub-category of [[:c:Category:Female buttocks]], which–''of course''–has hundreds of examples. Behold: the sum of human knowledge. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 02:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
*I was wondering, "How did he find a picture of a butt anyway?" So I looked, and, ''of course'' Commons has a [[:c:Category:Female buttocks in sculpture]], one of several sub-categories of [[:c:Category:Female buttocks in art]], which in turn is a sub-category of [[:c:Category:Female buttocks]], which–''of course''–has hundreds of examples. Behold: the sum of human knowledge. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 02:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Talk:Moors murders|Moors murders talk page]] == |
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It remains to be seen where the AE complaint re Eric will end up. But reviewing your contributions on the talk page, I'm just wondering, WTF? I always thought you were cleverer and betterer than what I see there. Can't you manage to disagree without insult and mockery? [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 09:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{U|GoldenRing}}: Thanks for the kind words, and I appreciate your taking the time. The phenomenon of "civil POV pushing" is often talked about, but less talked about is "civil article ownership". {{U|Swarm}} put it very well at AE: |
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::{{tq|Obstructing bold edits without citing a specific rationale is disruptive editing. "Specific" means "policy-based". Arguing that "this is X's article, and X needs to have a say" is a policy violation, not a reason to personally attack the editor making the edits. FA's require "stability". But "stability" does not mean "absence of editing". "I don't like your edits", or "this is X's article, don't change it" is not a legitimate content dispute. Illegitimate stonewalling is not what's intended by "FA stability".}} |
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:At AE you posted only part of my "shut the fuck up" rant, which robs the short bit you posted of context. Here it is more fully: |
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::{{tq|...by far the easiest thing to do would be to simply STEP THROUGH THE GODDAM EDITS SEQUENTIALLY. In the past 3 days there have been an incredible 110 posts to this thread, totaling 40K of text, all to discuss the abstract existence (but not the substance) of my 150 edits to an article which itself consists, in total, of a mere 65K. Most of these edits are no more complex than{{pb}}''[before-and-after of seven edits omitted]''{{pb}}There, that's seven of them{{snd}}5% of the total{{snd}}right there. They can be reviewed in 15 seconds each, and if you think "officers were drafted to search" is better than just plain "officers searched", or that readers will benefit by knowing about the dog's teeth and kidney complaint, or about how many days past his birthday Keith Bennett was when he was killed, go right ahead and change those things; I'm not married to anything. But in the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and all the saints and apostles, at long last you bunch of old ladies stop pearl-clutching and hand-wringing (you gotta love the imagery there) and either look at the edits or shut the fuck up now. I've spent far more time in therapy with you lot responding to your hypothetical anxieties than I did making the changes themselves. Really, it's unbelievable.}} |
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:(I would appreciate it if, over at AE, you'd substitute the above excerpt for your short one, so that I don't have to clutter the page and confuse the discussion by posting it in my own section.) That was July 12. |
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:For a month -- a '''''MONTH''''' -- my edits sat live in the article without a single modification of what I'd done, or comment on what I'd done, or indication of interest in what I'd done, by any of this bunch -- until EC's block expired. Then the gang assembled and moved in. ''Too many edits! Too fast! This is an FA! Your edits are shit! I didn't look at them but I know they're shit! You need consensus!'' What bullshit. And now in the last 24 hours both Cassianto and EC have lied -- blatantly lied -- on the talk page about who said and did what. |
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:Even now, at AE, Cassianto's pretending that I simply told him to "shut the fuck up". That's a lie. As seen above what I said (after three days of begging that this bunch ''look'' at the edits and give any specific indication of what was wrong with them) was that he should {{tq|either look at the edits or shut the fuck up now}}. That's completely different. I'm not going to engage him on that at AE because he lies so effortlessly and shamelessly that he'll just keep saying black is white, but if you're in a particularly energetic mood you might point it out yourself. |
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:They're just trying to gaslight anyone, such as yourself, who tries to untangle what happened. Smokescreens are their friends. So yeah, I've been pissed off and have shown it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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===Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Featured article complete fraud! Content creators <del>exposed as poseurs</del> <ins>have feet of clay just like other editors</ins>!=== |
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Talk page stalkers who have been watching the fun at [[Talk:Moors murders]] may be interested to know that it turns out that is "Featured article" is apparently riddled with errors. I've found <del>22</del> 21 <small>''[oops, looks like in one case I missed part of the newspaper story -- ''The Times'' has those giant pages in the old days{{snd}}thanks to {{U|SchroCat}} for catching that]''</small> examples of statements in the article not supported by the sources cited{{snd}}and that's just in the one section (seven paragraphs) I checked. See [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=910610086#Initial_investigation]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*I thought I mentioned this here before, but editors of all schools of writing style are invited to opine at [[Talk:Moors_murders#rfc_on_consensus_version_to_return_to]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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This is some Stannis Baratheon level fact-checking you're doing there. |
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- "A harmless courtesy, Your Grace." |
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- "A lie. Take it out."[https://www.quotes.net/show-quote/34155] |
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You didn't show up for the duel. Also, if you challenge me I'm supposed to pick [[Street Fighter II: The World Warrior|the weapon]]. I'll let you be Ryu if you like. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth|talk]]) 10:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
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=== just in case ... Comment === |
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[[File:USFWS bat moon.jpg|thumb|Things have gotten batshit crazy, and I know why!! There's a [https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/do-full-moons-and-supermoons-really-affect-human-animal-behavior/61402994 full moon] rising, Thursday 08-15-2019. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)]] |
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... you weren't aware of it. [[Wikipedia:Gravedancing]] is frowned upon by most. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span>]]</span></small> — 09:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:You'rea talking about You're talking about the header of the subthread just above this one? What gravedancing? I look forward to a productive collaboration with SchroCat, Cassianto, Eric Corbett, and the rest, all working to together to get this article to at least the Good Article level at long last. |
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:Anyway, I've changed <del>the header</del> to <ins>something more neutral</ins>. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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=== Please comment on [[Talk:Abortion#rfc_26AB825|Talk:Abortion]] === |
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:After [[Talk:Moors murders]] I don't think abortion will be controversial enough to interest me. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:50, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::You can always get in on the fun at GMO pages. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Join WP:WikiProject Dogs - it puts the others to shame. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 19:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::In what way? Do they [[WP:BITE]] the newcomers? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Sounds like Atmse is being catty. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Grab an umbrella ☔️🌂🐕🐈 - it's raining cats and dogs! [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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=== Please comment on [[Talk:Abortion#rfc_2F90DB0|Talk:Abortion]] === |
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: You never give up, do you Legobot? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== OMG == |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Did the world stop? ~ I better grab my children<ref>{{YouTube|id=kVybZ6YWwHA}}</ref> ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 12:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:FYI ~ [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|cygnis insignis]]' <s>[[belittle|belittled]]</s> [[Cost overrun|underestimated]] me it was just an 'opinion' ~ {{YouTube|id=VKpQgEyjNdM}} |
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:::Actually, in that video that's me on the left and a certain trio of editors on the right. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::<small>I can believe it...and I was one of the 2 females who got up and walked away. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 03:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::<small>EEng bears an uncanny resemblance to [[Jeff Goldblum]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::<small>That either a personal attack on me or a BLP violation with respect to Jeff Goldblum, though I'm not sure which. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:29, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::::<small>Definitely the latter.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::::<small>Well, as a fan of heartthrobs Jeff Goldblum, David Copperfield, Gary Cooper, Gregory Peck, Yule Brenner, Chuck Connors, Richard Boone, and Mr. Peepers, mention of the BLP vio unchained me. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 23:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::::::<small>You Know ~ my heartthrobs are [[The California Raisins]] their so cool and sexy [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 00:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::What is the definition of (cygnis insignis) anyways ~ maybe I should go ask [[User:El_C|El_C]] ~ oops I just did ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 18:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::My understanding is it's some kind of [[Coat_of_arms_of_Western_Australia#Symbolism|odd bird]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::You know I had a pet once too ~ we called him [[Tasmanian devil|Taz]] ~ he died ~ so we just watch cartoons all day ~ {{YouTube|3NyMWM_g8zA|Grrrr}} [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 18:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::It is really really tempting to make an article [[cygnis insignis]] explaining that it is the motto of Western Australia, is intended to mean "noted for swans", and is in some sense a pun or at least a rhyme. I imagine that our local only-for-the-birds editor has some connection to WA. I suppose I can at least add a redirect. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Thank you [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ~ [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeVQzTVyLkit it is very refreshing] ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 19:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Maybe you ought to duck. Or you might get a goose. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::: ~ Thanks you'all [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 21:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::We're still waiting for your diff so we can know what you're talking about when you speak of my {{tq|"trail of tears" quip a little while ago}}, {{U|Cygnis insignis}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC) |
:::We're still waiting for your diff so we can know what you're talking about when you speak of my {{tq|"trail of tears" quip a little while ago}}, {{U|Cygnis insignis}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::No answer. Huh. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:51, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
::::No answer. Huh. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:51, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
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Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice --> –<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 02:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:Oh boy! My first Arbcom case! I haven't been so excited since I was subpoenaed to a federal grand jury!{{pb}}Now seriously folks, everyone keep calm. I'll be happy to answer any factual questions here if it will help keep the case page uncluttered. Let's ''try'' to keep things serious. Mostly. (But{{snd}}again seriously{{snd}}all jokes or kidding are to be kept here; an Arbcom case is a huge timesink for the community, if even sometimes a necessary one, and we don't want to do anything to exacerbate that.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::I'm proud of you for getting this far and not a single dead baby or where-the-bodies-are-buried joke. Such restraint! <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well, there's [[WP:ASTONISHME#babies|this]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:35, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*This is a golden opportunity for our new skit. I'll start gathering the diffs demonstrating that you show insufficient respect to gravity. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth|talk]]) 08:07, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*It looks like they are going to either decline it or accept but suspend it, so I suspect you won't have to deal with much. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*:They ''should'' decline it, but the only opinion so far is to accept. And being party to an accepted-but-suspended case is not a helpful state to be in. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*::FWIW, I don't think they can reasonably suspend a case examining the conduct of active users. I read GW's accept to be specifically for a case focused on Eric (and I'm not getting into whether that's necessary or not at the moment). <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 00:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::Though not an experienced Arbcom watcher I'm guessing it will be declined, but for the record while I wouldn't look forward to the huge waste of everyone's time, other than that instead of ''fraud'' I probably should have said ''careless negligence'' I stand by everything I've said and done and fear no scrutiny. You know {{U|David Eppstein}}, since unfortunately Ve has apparently bailed out on us, you would be doing humanity a great favor if you could kick off "the list" with any diffs from July you're concerned about. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*There are already about six times the people making statements from the peanut gallery than there are actually trying to resolve the dispute that sparked this exciting episode. Wouldn't it be great if <s>anyone</s> ''everyone'' thinking about offering their two arbitrary subunits of currency went and verified one of the [[10 Green Bottles|50-something red span tags]] instead? [[User:Triptothecottage|Triptothecottage]] ([[User talk:Triptothecottage|talk]]) 01:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*:{{U|Triptothecottage}}: What we need more than that is agreement that, when protection comes off, the article will be returned to the upt-to-date version it was in before Cassianto reverted to the June 26 version (on the basis that that version's so excellent -- I guess we won't be hearing that any more). If we can agree to that then I can probably fix most of the verification errors myself, but in any event those who want to help fix things will be able to do so. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*I note with approval the conciseness of your response but I still think NYB wins the thread. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*:{{U|David Eppstein}}, let it never be said I begrudge credit where credit is due [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=911644278#Approach_and_be_recognized!]. Now can you PLEASE see if you can list anything in the July edits (starting here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=904569899]) that you think should be reverted out? Somebody. Anybody. Please. I beg you. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Gary Null]] == |
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[[File:Pan-Fried_Carassius_carassius.JPG|thumb|upright=.5|Your carps of the day, ''monsieur''-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b>]] |
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Once you've cleaned up the Moors, perhaps you could take a fine-toothed comb to this for sourcing/content mismatch.-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b> 08:15, 23 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, [[User:Deepfriedokra|my friend]], I overlooked this until now. Moors will take ''at least'' another six months of hard work -- and that's if other stuff doesn't come up, which it already has -- so I'm afraid I'll be unable to help with Mr. Null. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Taylor Swift == |
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*::Dude, [[Wikipedia talk:Categorization#RFC: Categories with committed suicide in title|commit is not the preferred nomenclature]]. It's [[sudo|''execute'' sudoku]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
*::Dude, [[Wikipedia talk:Categorization#RFC: Categories with committed suicide in title|commit is not the preferred nomenclature]]. It's [[sudo|''execute'' sudoku]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::Reminds me of the username ''Osama /bin/login''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
*:::Reminds me of the username ''Osama /bin/login''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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== [[Beatlejuice]] == |
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:Among the stalkers here assembled, only you could find a way to work in a [[Journey (band)]] video. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:30, 31 August 2019 (UTC) |
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== Harvard's Pusey Library == |
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It has come to my attention that in the depths of the [[Widener Library]], there is a tunnel containing a book collection known as the Pusey Library or Pusey Stacks, referred to by scholars as "Widener Pusey" (as seen [https://hollis.harvard.edu/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=HVD2&search_scope=everything&tab=everything&lang=en_US&docid=01HVD_ALMA211997882840003941 here]), named after former president [[Nathan Pusey]] (of "[[User:EEng#Museum of You Can't Always Tell a Harvard Man|Latin Si, Pusey No]]" fame, not to be confused with [[Philip Pusey|Phil Pusey]] or his younger brother, [[Edward Bouverie Pusey|Professor Pusey]], who, naturally, was an Oxford man, which, naturally, is near a whole town of [[Pusey, Oxfordshire|Puseys]] (not to be confused with the town of [[Pewsey]]s in neighboring Wiltshire)), and that the lads at The Crimson (who are paying nearly $100,000 a year to browse Harvard's Pusey Library, among other enriching activities) have already picked up on this, with varying degrees of subtlety. [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/3/11/rain-drenches-pusey-stacks-heavy-rainfall/] [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/10/have-sex-in-the-stacks-put/] <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:28, 31 August 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Close up of a black domestic cat.jpg|thumb|align=right|upright=0.5|Not to be confused with Harvard's Pussy library {{endash}} [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]]]] |
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:There are still a few cheap jokes you missed: "I've got a date with a library tonight, and boy is it ''stacked''. With luck I'll get my ''[[Wigglesworth Hall|Wigglesworth]]''." Stories of sex in the stacks, like those about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=832467403#Emission_omission peeing on John Harvard] and the [[Widener_Library#In_literature_and_legend|Harry Elkins Widener Memorial Swim Test]], are campus legend only. |
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:For the record, very few Harvard College students pay full price; for example, families with incomes below $65,000 pay zero. One consequence of the school's wealth means that it can guarantee that no one it wants is unable to attend for financial reasons. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::From the Department of NOR Violations, I remember very clearly that at the beginning of my freshman year (which would be Fall 1974), there ''was'' a (sort of) required swim test for ''all'' incoming undergrads. I got excused from it for (exaggerated) medical reasons, but I am very sure that the test did happen (and not just in my feeble mind). --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::From the Department of Jesus, Try Following the Link Supplied To See What The Article Says, |
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::::{{tq|Though Harvard has had swimming requirements at various times (e.g. for rowers on the Charles River, or as part of a now-defunct freshman training regimen) Bentinck-Smith writes that "There is absolutely no evidence in the President's papers, or the faculty's, to indicate that [Eleanor Widener] was, as a result of the Titanic disaster, in any way responsible for [any] compulsory swimming test."}} |
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:::[https://ask.library.harvard.edu/faq/81791 One of the article's sources] adds that |
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::::{{tq|A Harvard College swimming requirement was instituted in the early 1880s for crew team members wishing to use boats on the Charles River. In 1919, Harvard instituted compulsory physical training, including swimming instruction, for all freshmen; however, the President's report of 1919-1920 describing the new regulations does not mention a graduation swim requirement. A swimming requirement is described in the 1969-1970 Harvard University Catalogue (p. 63), but is no longer mentioned by the publication of the 1974-1975 Catalogue. Currently, there is no swimming requirement at Harvard.}} |
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:::Really, Tfish, I would have thought that by now you'd know I'm not going to get [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=912787579 caught with my pants down] on a topic like this. I will add that I have it on [[Donald Trump|unimpeachable]] authority that there was also a swim requirement for graduation from Radcliffe during some period in, roughly, the 1920s to 1950s. But none of this contradicts the article's very careful statement that while there have been swim requirements, they've no link to poor Harry Widener or rich Mrs. Widener. As a note in the article explains (quoting snopes.com): |
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::::{{Tq|Harry Elkins Widener didn't die because he couldn't swim: he, like many other Titanic passengers who couldn't be accommodated by one of the too-few lifeboats, died from immersion in freezing water. The ability to swim wouldn't have helped him, because there was nowhere for him to swim ''to''.}} |
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::: [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:36, 31 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Jesus, EEng, I would have thought that by now you would know that I find the idea of you with your pants off exceedingly distasteful. You sound so defensive, I almost would have thought that you were a Yalie.{{fbdb}} I wonder, had they done away with Expository Writing by the time that you got there? So I actually ''did'' read what the page said before I made my previous post to you, and I even read the source that you cite. "Training regimen"? Isn't that something for puppies? I've now made this edit: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Widener_Library&type=revision&diff=913556980&oldid=913397885]. You're welcome. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::''Regimen'' is singularly apt, in point of fact. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::Which is apparently why you changed "regimen" to "program", I guess, and otherwise you entirely reverted me, which was so sweet. You really need to show more respect for your betters.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I changed to ''program'' because you made fun of ''regimen'' a few posts above, and I didn't feel strongly about it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I'll follow up on this at the article talk page in another day or so, but just letting you know that I found reliable sources that do back up the wording that I put there. Peace. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 3 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::That's fantabulous. I issue was never the truth of the matter, just the verifiabilitilibility. No hurry. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:50, 3 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Next, you’ll be telling us that they don’t actually park cars in the yard! <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 01:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::[https://yardops.fas.harvard.edu/freshman-move Freshman move-in day only, 20 minutes max], enforced from [https://books.google.com/books?id=WGrBJFRw1GsC&pg=PA177 Harvard's smallest building] ([https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2009/2/18/what-you-didnt-know-about-the/ "The building, approximately the size of a portable toilet, cost the University $57,000 to construct..."]). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::What's crazy about the [http://66.111.6.107/sites/16/johnston-gate-house gate house] isn't the cost, it's that they had [[Graham Gund]] design it. Who would hire an architect to design an outhouse?! Harvard, that's who. [https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.offerup.com%2FmqeAuHkQAGLMI-TvbbTGGxWaEFU%3D%2F593x800%2Fc908%2Fc908f3ce3c0547abaea49f6c41f506b1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fofferup.com%2Fitem%2Fdetail%2F147779932%2F&docid=jgHY6Amv-uOkpM&tbnid=3IUQ95f6flck3M%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiRx7mx8K7kAhWNc98KHXSvDOgQMwh1KBkwGQ..i&w=593&h=800&client=safari&bih=1134&biw=1976&q=playskool%20castle%20playhouse&ved=0ahUKEwiRx7mx8K7kAhWNc98KHXSvDOgQMwh1KBkwGQ&iact=mrc&uact=8 This one] is only $600 and it's bigger. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::I disagree, actually; all joking aside, it was an almost impossible design challenge. Personally I don't find the result particularly pleasing, but neither can I suggest a better approach. Someone remind me to do a DYK. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::True, all joking aside, Harvard didn't really choose to do all that. Who would make you hire an architect and spend $800 a foot on a 5x5 gate house? The Historical Commission, that's who. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:50, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::While the Historical Commission's involvement no doubt affected the outcome, I believe Harvard would have spent a similar amount in any event. The [[Johnston Gate]] the Yard's traditional ceremonial entrance (see [[History and traditions of Harvard commencements#Academic_Parade]]) and an important symbol when selling the product. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] |
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::::::::::You said to remind you to do a DYK on this. ('''''Did you know''' ... that '''[[Harvard architecture]]''' has nothing to do with buildings?'') If someone/you finds/makes a PD pic, I'd be happy to put a little stub together in draftspace. It's got to be one of [https://www.architecturaldigest.com/gallery/17-tiny-buildings-with-huge-ambition the smallest buildings ever designed by an architect]–merely by virtue of being just about the smallest possible building still capable of occupation. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 04:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*Princeton had a swim test requirement from 1911 to 1990 and a similar apocryphal story about a deceased alumnus was told there. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 06:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:Who or what is this “Princeton” of which you speak? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:12, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*::EEng displays the narrowness of his education. By the way, I was born in and grew up in Princeton, NJ. Graduated from Princeton High School. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC) |
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{{trout|I certainly appreciate your brand of humor (puns and all), but [[Special:Diff/913428905]] was a bit much (especially putting it in the closure box) [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 01:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC)}} |
{{trout|I certainly appreciate your brand of humor (puns and all), but [[Special:Diff/913428905]] was a bit much (especially putting it in the closure box) [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 01:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC)}} |
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*"Beyond a reasonable trout" -- that's brilliant. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
*"Beyond a reasonable trout" -- that's brilliant. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Templating a regular == |
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I hope you enjoy perpetratin' here n being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipizzedian]]! Pleaze [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign yo name]] on rap pages using four tildes (~~~~), o' just three (<nowiki>~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically produce yo name n tha date fo' sheezy. If you need help, chizzay out [[Wikipedia:Questions|Qizzles]] ask me on mah rap page, or place <code>{{helpme}}</code> on yo rap pizzle n someone wizzle show up shortly ta brotha yo questions. Again, welcome ta this plizace! |
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May I introduce {{tu|User:Myrtone86/template:welcome-snoop}}. Can't believe it never caught on. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 02:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:Can't imagine.-- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b> 03:30, 5 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::Welcome use [[User:Bishzilla/Welcome|Bishzilla's template]], all! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b><font color="#A7A0F2">[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|pocket]]</font></b> 04:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC). |
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*Why do I get all the nuts? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:[[Special:Diff/910433008|You really don't know?]] <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 04:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*::I'm trying to put up a brave front. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Please comment on [[Talk:Duodecimal#rfc_494CB42|Talk:Duodecimal]] == |
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:What did [[Dewey Decimal Classification |Dewey]] do now? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::Believe it or not: [[Melvil_Dewey#Controversies]].. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Who could have guessed that the guy who wrote ''Classification and subject index for cataloguing and arranging the books and pamphlets of a library'', and followed it up with ''Decimal classification and relative index for arranging, cataloguing, and indexing public and private libraries and for pamphlets, clippings, notes, scrap books, index rerums, etc.'', would turn out to be an asshole. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::"Index rerum"{{snd}}obviously a pervert. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:12, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Weihnachtskrippe 2008.JPG|thumb|right|MJL's [[Nativity scene|nativity seen]] here <small><span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span></small>]] |
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Apologies, had thought you had followed me there (I have similar interests to Popcornduff, so do watch) but now see you were already active on the talk page "discussion", which can be best surmised with the three letters...FFS. ps, hope all is well with Martin who has not edited in a while, and is missed. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 17:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:I appreciate your taking the time to clear that up, but it's really MJL you should be apologizing to. Which Martin do you mean? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::Unaccepted apology noted. MJL has a lot more to answer for than this, and I'm surprised you are using his nativity to advance other grudges. I meant mr Evans. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) |
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:::''For those playing along at home, this concerns the bizarre interactions here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=914675864#X].'' |
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:::Um, look {{U|Ceoil}}, it seems that every interaction we have immediately goes awry because (a) your English isn't that great (sorry, but you force me to say it{{snd}}case in point: by ''nativity'' do you mean ''naivete''?) and (b) when you misunderstand, you start seeing dark motives in everything. |
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:::*I said above I appreciated your taking the time to admit your prior misunderstanding; that means your apology was accepted. |
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:::*You accused {{U|MJL}} of conspiring with me by email, so yes, you should apologize to him regardless of what you dislike about him (not that I'm saying I agree with you on any of that, other than that he should be more discerning in where he pokes his nose). |
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:::*I have no "grudges", and you're getting me close to doing what I almost never do, which is to have an admin speak to you about your repeated accusations, without evidence, of misbehavior by your fellow editors. |
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:::[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Your not as clever as you think, and poor spelling is a weak defense, given all that has happened in the last two weeks. 'Almost never do'; please - most of your edits over the last decade and a bt are to AN/I. But if you cant defend yourself on your own, thats fine man. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 20:42, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::<small>[Thank you for the [[Help:Notifications|ping]]]</small><!--User:MJL/ty4p--> @EEng: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:MJL&oldid=913730120#Pronouns_/_Nomenclature pronouns].<small>Just another example of how improbable it'd be for us to coordinate</small> Either way, It's fine really. I don't feel owed an apology. The accusation was very hurtful, but I don't hold it against Ceoil. He has the right to feel whatever feelings he feels. {{eC}} –<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 20:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, that's an uncharitable view, and I'm obviously not going to convert anybody here. But I will say that those that defend Eric dont do so because of his charming personality, it goes deeper than that - he and Tony1 were always to go to guys on how to write correct, and a generation learned from them. The people Eric (supposedly) chased off were not future content people, he always tended to them with kindness and encouragement (I was one), more he was targeted by up and coming admin types. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::You're saying that his personality was charming, that he taught you to modify verbs by adjectives, and that EEng has never created any content and is or was an up and coming admin? Interesting. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::No David, I was being ironic, which fair enough doesnt translate in text only discourse. I said Eric is not especially charming, and never was inclined towards [unspecified, as we are talking about a 12 year span] wannabe admins. But he has my respect. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::No, David, I think Ceoil is saying it's OK that EC called EEng a "guttersnipe", etc., because EC was nice to Ceoil back in the day. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 21:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::Yes exactly Levivich, EC mentored quite a few new editors, including me. I'm not sure how you connected that with the attempt to associate me with "guttersnipe", which for sure sounds regrettable. But to say again, I dont defend Eric for his fatalistically bitter, and unfortunately hurtful, way with words. Yet, when I was learning how to operate on this place, I improved through a school of hard knocks, rather than cuddly safe spaces.[[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:06, 8 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::People were mean to you once and therefore it's good for people to be mean? I think you took the wrong lesson there. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 15:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::*In twelve years I've probably opened two or three threads total at ANI; half or more of my edits there are archiving of resolved threads and so on. Get your facts straight before mouthing off further. |
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::::::*Please don't insult {{U|Tony1}} by mentioning him in the same breath as Eric Corbett. Tony helps other editors without bursting into schoolyard taunts at the first sign of friction. |
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::::::*Eric Corbett was nice to someone exactly so long as they stroked his fragile ego and scrupulously avoided contradicting or correcting him in even the most minor ways. He richly deserved what he got, and obviously wanted it. This was no Greek tragedy of a magnificent talent brought down by a tiny seed of destruction hidden deep within, but (as I take delight in repeating, now that I've hit on the metaphor) a [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=915307471 one-eyed man who managed to surround himself with blind editors over whom he thought to reign as king], and whose blindness allowed them to believe, for a time at least, that he was a deity. His writing was perfectly competent, but by no means brilliant, and ''like everyone else’s'' not so good that it couldn't be improved by fresh eyes; and his research and sourcing, in the one example I've probed in depth, was sloppy.{{pb}}That last point is worth explaining a bit. At some point it suddenly became clear that much of Moors Murders was unsourced, and that that had long been hidden by the fact that E.C. and others inserted new material, ''with'' inline cites, into an existing article that largely lacked inline cites; the added inline cites were mistaken for covering the old, uncited material, and no one noticed that until now. Eric Corbett's response was, "Yeah, I was a relatively new editor then, and not really tuned in to the problems of [[WP:Citing_sources#Text–source_integrity]]. I'm glad someone's noticed the problem and it's being addressed." Ha, ha, just kidding. He immediately put into action his usual strategy of diversion leavened by insults, painting himself as a victim, and so on [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=910960834], the diversion in this case being the claim that citation requirements have changed since he worked on Moors Murders [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=911271495], which is false [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=915125639&oldid=915036139]. I conclude, therefore, that he's not interested in learning, that there's no reason to believe he's any more careful now than he was then, and that his research is probably about as good as his writing: OK, but far from great. Combining that with his nasty attitude, I say good riddance. |
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::::::[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:17, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Toronto - ON - Scarborough Bluffs.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Some low bluffs. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]]]] |
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::Well MJL, there were coincidences here, for sure...there is no doubt that ye were coordinating. My long term opinion of you EEng is that you are a low value bluffer. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 05:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::''Doubt is the beginning of wisdom'', as the wise man said; try it sometime. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:17, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*To stick my schnozzola in here: I can't work out what the theme is. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 07:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::Tony, it’s themeless in need of a themestress. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 04:16, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Stress has been the theme all summer; now, it seems less. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 04:20, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== I figured you would get a kick out of this == |
== I figured you would get a kick out of this == |
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<b style="background:#0000ff;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color: white;">Cards84664</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Cards84664|(talk)]] 14:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
<b style="background:#0000ff;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color: white;">Cards84664</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Cards84664|(talk)]] 14:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:Contains the intriguing phrase {{tq|could not hear the whistle over the hay cutter}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Darrell K Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium]] == |
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Hi EEng ~ can I get maybe a day or two page protection [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Darrell_K_Royal%E2%80%93Texas_Memorial_Stadium&diff=914838434&oldid=914838314 here] ~ Thanks [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 17:19, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Mitchellhobbs}} The best place to ask for protection is [[WP:RPP]]. I have made a request there on your behalf. Unless EEng has some mystical power I'm unaware of, he cannot actually protect pages. Though he may act with the impish impunity of an admin, he is in fact just a regular 'ol editor. <small>I think if he ever ''did'' run for RfA, the community would devour itself like [[Ouroboros]]. Not necessarily saying that's a bad thing...</small> [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 17:45, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::<small>I sometimes wonder why God chose me to be the vessel burdened with such awesome power. But I have sworn to use it only for good, never for evil! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::Thanks CaptiainEek [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 17:49, 9 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== And speaking of Michael Palin... == |
== And speaking of Michael Palin... == |
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:And speaking of [[User:EEng#Museum_of_Unfortunate_Lyrics|a basement]]... [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
:And speaking of [[User:EEng#Museum_of_Unfortunate_Lyrics|a basement]]... [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== IRC == |
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Heya, someone joined IRC today under your username, wanted to verify whether it was you or not. [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 12:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:Of course it's me. Who on earth would want to pretend they're me? Horrible thought. {{pb}}For talk-page stalkers, here's what I'm asking: |
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::{{tq|After several bad experiences with numbskull admins at Commons, I decided never to upload files to Commons again, except for PD material. I now want to upload a file and have the person I got it from follow up by emailing an appropriate license. On Commons there's a page I can get the license from, fill in the blanks, and forward to the file donor; then there was a permissions@ address to which the donor could forward the license. I can't find the equivalent stuff here on Wikipedia i.e. the license boilerplate, and the address to which the donor should forward the license after I upload the file. (I don't want to put the donor through creating an account and uploading himself.). Clue me in, please.}} |
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:Can anyone point me to some page explaining this? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:Thanks to {{U|Praxidicae}} and {{U|Steven Crossin}}, I think I have my answer: https://tools.wmflabs.org/relgen/ and permissions-en@wikimedia.org . Thanks! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Eric == |
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Hi, I certainly have not always supported EC - he's a good writer but, like most of us, sometimes his own worst enemy. My ironic aside to your comment about using real names in the recent AN thread was because it is documented on-wiki that he has been harrassed off it. One example was the Rod Hull and Emu account, although I can't remember the exact spelling. I'm just correcting the record - no need or desire for a contretemps. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 07:13, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::''For those playing along at home, this concerns what I said here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=915725627].'' |
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:{{U|Sitush}}, I appreciate your taking the time to drop by. Since I am, on reflection, not conversant with all the crazy stuff that's swirled around this Eric Corbett character on wiki, off wiki, in the corridors of power and at all levels of government, I should have simply said, "No, people shouldn't be harassed IRL even if their name ''is'' Eric Corbett. I imagine he's got enough trouble in his personal life as it is." [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::I doubt his personal life at present is any more troubled than yours, perhaps less, but in reality neither you nor I can compare them and you're just poking again. Please stop gravedancing here, there and everywhere. You don't like him, we get it, but you are indeed far from conversant with what has gone on. It becomes tiresome having to correct pure speculation on the part of the self-admittedly ignorant and is an example of the "polite" incivility that we really should not be tolerating if we're to have a level playing field. I am sure you will want to reply - you seem to want to interject your off-beat thoughts and so-called humour everywhere - but please don't ping me in it. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 03:29, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::You don't have to correct my self-admittedly ignorant pure speculation{{snd}}I labeled it self-admittedly ignorant pure speculation. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== nudge, nudge == |
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but you'rerf really not supposed to edit inside a closed thread. [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched|talk]]) 08:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
but you'rerf really not supposed to edit inside a closed thread. [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched|talk]]) 08:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::When an RfC has run its course and had a formal close, modifying the discussion encapsulated by the close can confuse things. On the other hand, when some lone editor takes it upon himself to decide that everyone else has had enough to say, then no, that's not binding on the rest of us. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
::When an RfC has run its course and had a formal close, modifying the discussion encapsulated by the close can confuse things. On the other hand, when some lone editor takes it upon himself to decide that everyone else has had enough to say, then no, that's not binding on the rest of us. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Not helping == |
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[[File:Mary_Read_killing_her_antagonist_cph.3a00980.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|'''''<big>AGGRESSIVE???</big>''' I'll show you aggressive!''{{right|[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]] |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_17&diff=916202338&oldid=916193352&diffmode=source This] edit does not help the discussion one iota, and is extremely aggressive. I suggest you remove it. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:DePiep, remember all those times you misunderstood what someone was saying and got all upset? This is one of those times. My point is that having redirects WP:FOO and MOS:FOO is a very bad idea. (And no, I’m not advocating that anyone actually be shot. Not yet, anyway.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::No I do not remember, nor do I care nr did "I" misunderstood. You actually wrote to shoot an editor, so I suggest you undo that one. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::If we're going to start interpreting common hyperboles such as "... should be shot" literally, I'm going to jump off a bridge. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 22:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Mountains out of molehills, here. Don't blow your top and throw the baby out with the bath. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 23:25, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::He might shoot himself in the foot if he's not careful. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Just EEng being hyperbolic, joke telling square that he is...so now there's ANI, and here is the scenario when an admin shows up at his page.... |
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::::::EEng: "Ahhh...a loyal {{tps}} has arrived. Is there a problem?" |
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::::::Admin: "Your hyperboles over at Redirects are unacceptable - you threatened to shoot an editor over MOS:FOO. Will you please strike those comments or I'll have to block you?" |
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::::::EEng: "Uhm, why don't you spare me the trouble of going back? I shouldn't have been over there in the first place as it was right after I insulted a few other editors for trying to do the right thing and fix a mess I made over at AE - I was overindulging in levity and ended up getting some poor editor site-banned even though he was innocent, but I couldn't help myself. I slapped another editor with a trout and told him to STFU. Knocked him on his ass, too! Now he's stalking my page but I've got plans for him, too. I showed him an image of my gun - the same one I used on another dude for screwing with MOS. I told him he needed to be shot. |
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::::::Admin: "Holy shit!" |
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::::::The admin immediately jumps on IRC and calls for back-up. In minutes, EEng's UTP is swarming with rouge admins, one of whom is an Arb. |
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::::::Arb: "EEng, please show me the diffs of your discussion at Redirects." |
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::::::EEng: "Sure" |
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::::::EEng shows him several innocuous diffs. |
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::::::Arb: "Where are the diffs from AE? Do you have those?" |
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::::::EEng: "Sure" |
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::::::EEng provides those diffs, again innocuous hyperbole. |
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::::::Arb: "Who was the editor you were debating over MOS, and where are those diffs?" |
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::::::EEng: "Oh, that was Mr. Peepers - he decided to start editing GMOs." |
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::::::Arb: "Where is the picture of your gun?" |
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::::::EEng: "I don't have a gun." |
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::::::Arb: "Sorry to put you through this, but the admin who called us over here said you insulted editors at AE, were overindulging in levity, got an innocent editor site-banned, slapped another user with a trout and knocked him on his ass, and used profanity for screwing with MOS." |
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::::::EEng: "Yeah, I bet that lying son of a bitch also told you I threatened to shoot the guy." |
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::::::[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::<small>{{clap}}{{clap}}{{clap}} <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 01:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::::<small>If you get any funnier, you're gonna put EEng out of a job...I'm cackling at my desk. [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 02:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::::::[https://www.gjenvick.com/HistoricalImages/USN/Recruiting/1975-NotJustAJob-ItsAnAdventure-500.jpg It's not just a job, it's an adventure.] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::::For you, it’s an adventure....for us, it’s a job keeping you out of WP jail. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:12, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::We're supposed to be keeping him ''out''? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 16:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
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===ANI notice=== |
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[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#EEng agression|EEng agression]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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=== Shame! Shame! === |
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You aggressive, violent beast, you. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 23:44, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:You love it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::BMK, you added an extra "g" to agressive. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 23:58, 17 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::[[Special:Diff/916261519|Apparently EEng has friends now]], who'd have guessed? [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 00:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Careful, your comment could be seen as casting aspersions against an entire group of editors. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 00:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Planters Punch 2.jpg|right|thumb|upright=0.3|punch]] |
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[[File:The Schnozzola* (8701493001).jpg|right|thumb|upright=0.5|schnozzola]] |
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*Man, I missed this whole thing. Why wasn't there an edit-war involved, and then a full page protection? [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender#top|talk]]) 02:07, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::It's not too late for that, actually [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=916275112] [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=916276186]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::: [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=916567895 Great illustrations, so unappreciated]. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 16:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
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So I went to look at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27 noticeboard/IncidentArchive984#User:DePiep and DYK|incidents noticeboard discussion from last year]] where a consensus was reached for an editing restriction, and saw EEng saying {{tq|whoever appropriated {{tl|M}} for earthquakes should be boiled in oil}} and DePiep responding {{tq|EEng: Language?}}. <humour>It's deja vu all over again!</humour> [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 01:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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=== September 2019 === |
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Your [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_17&diff=916202338&oldid=916193352&diffmode=source edit here] was not helpful nor constructive. While other editors might have [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1018#EEng_agression|helped]] you out, you yourself are invited to reconsider your behaviour. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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* [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_17&diff=916276186&oldid=916275112&diffmode=source] [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=916270019&oldid=916269361&diffmode=source] -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:39, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:{{u|DePiep}}, please [[WP:STICK|drop the stick]]. You've made your point here and at ANI already, repeatedly bringing it up isn't going to change anything and might get you in trouble for harassment. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 00:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Yuo are kidding, right? These agressive posts were made by EEng ''after'' the ANI closed. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|DePiep}}Hardly aggressive. The "punch in the schnozzla" was clearly a joke, and the shoot in the foot was likely a reference to [[WP:PETARD]], which is a serious caution to editors to not shoot themselves in the foot, or hoist themselves by their own petard, something which you are in danger of. [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 02:00, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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* [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=916283612&oldid=916283486&diffmode=source] linking to [https://www.gjenvick.com/HistoricalImages/USN/Recruiting/1975-NotJustAJob-ItsAnAdventure-500.jpg] -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*{{u|DePiep}}, it has been pointed out already to you that (as everyone else who read it already understood) the edit was merely a bit of colorful language written in good faith and not intended to be taken literally. Continuing to harp on this issue strikes me as the kind of [[WP:AGF|assumption of bad faith]] concerning which you are under [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive984#User:DePiep and DYK|an editing restriction]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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* [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=916209205&oldid=916203860&diffmode=source Here] EEng actually writes (bolding added): {{tq|1=(And no, I’m not advocating that anyone actually be shot. '''Not yet, anyway'''.)}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*From history: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=916671122&oldid=916666494&diffmode=source] -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*DePiep, I mean this in all sincerity... You do good work for the project, and I hope that will continue. But you have to accept that there are things you don’t understand, and let them go. Please. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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===Followup, November 2020=== |
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https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=988460528#Arbitration_notice , and for the record https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions/Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community&oldid=987774772 . [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC) |
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*Well, that was pretty aggggrrrrrrreeeesssivvvvve! Ain't DePiep got enough trouble? --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 13:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Apparently he doesn't think so, since he's going out of his way to bring more of it onto himself. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== "hoist" v "hoisted" == |
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*I recently stumbled across this 10-year-old essay and read it for the first time: [[User:Physchim62/Situation Normal: All FACked up]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 23:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC) |
*I recently stumbled across this 10-year-old essay and read it for the first time: [[User:Physchim62/Situation Normal: All FACked up]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 23:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*: That is just brilliant. Everyone should click the link '''^^^^^^^''' and read. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC) |
*: That is just brilliant. Everyone should click the link '''^^^^^^^''' and read. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== It's a trap!!! == |
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This is just for your amusement, no action required. |
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Your suspicions weren't entirely paranoid. As collateral damage, I appear to have initiated a minor dispute at [[talk:Radian]]! --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 13:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:So your efforts weren't entirely for naught, then. As [[Tom Lehrer]] said, "If, after hearing my songs, just one human being is inspired to say something nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been worth the while." [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== Power tools == |
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[[File:Screwgun.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.6|Don't let Fram loose with this!]] |
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Regarding [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Fram_2&diff=prev&oldid=917982565 this], I would love to inject a bit of levity into what will be the contentious RfA to end all contentious RfAs... but I'm too chicken. Only you could do it. -- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 15:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:Whoever said, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" had me in mind, but RfA is one place even this fool rushes in not. Sorry. At least something is sacred. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::You're right, thinking about it, it wouldn't have gone down at all well from anyone. That RfA was even nastier than I expected. I do understand why you generally keep away from them.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 14:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC) |
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::Too bad, because there is such a great typo at the current RfA right now. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 04:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC) |
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== WP:ANI == |
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::::::Or how about {msnbc}? {whalewanted}? {ww}? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC) |
::::::Or how about {msnbc}? {whalewanted}? {ww}? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::Oh, whale...whalecome to EEng's TP. It's a real killer. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC) |
:::::::Oh, whale...whalecome to EEng's TP. It's a real killer. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC) |
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== BLP issues == |
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Hey EEng, I've noticed some issues with your user page and talk page I wanted to mention. I would have [[WP:AGF|guessed]] that you were familiar with our [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] policies, but perhaps not. It is a pretty important page worth looking over. Some of the items I noticed (outside the page size issues) are your talk page section [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:EEng#Upage Upage], and your user page at the [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EEng#Titular_characters Titular characters] and directly below that. I'd imagine there are other areas, but I'll mention those specifically. Now I'm hardly a Trump fan, and I'm sure some folks find humor in some of those things - Still, our BLP policy is pretty well defined. Along with that I'll mention a couple [[WP:Arbcom]] motions: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&oldid=606946990#DS_(2014)_housekeeping_provisions housekeeping provisions] and the [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Discretionary_sanctions_(1932_cutoff) American politics] (post 1932). If you're unsure then you may want to read up on [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions]]. I'm hopeful that you'll want to fix the issues I've mentioned. [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched|talk]]) 22:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:Ched, I'd like to step in here in the hopes of preventing escalation. I do realize that the BLP DS apply "in any namespace", but I also do not think that there are really any policy violations here. I hope that you will not pursue this issue. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:I kind of like the hippo, though it is indeed a naughty policy-violating creature. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth|talk]]) 23:26, 8 October 2019 (UTC) |
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=== I'm ignorant and thick === |
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To paraphrase [[Jackie Wilson]], I don't know much about American politics, but I do know Wikipedia. This page (to a small extent) and your user page (to a large) has material on it that isn't BLP-friendly. Now, while I'm EEng-friendly, I'm definitely not BLP-unfriendly-friendly. |
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That was me trying to persuade you I have a sense of humour, but I reckon I'm going to fail. |
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Please can you remove the offending jibes about people, [most of whom, I'll remind you, I don't know much about]? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 14:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC) |
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== WP:ERRORS == |
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[[File:Utility Underwear- Clothing Restrictions on the British Home Front, 1943 D13079.jpg|thumb|upright|Speaking of the [[User:EEng#Museum of I Shouldn't Laugh but I Did|Museum]], here's a recent observation about growing old: Remember when your mother said to wear clean <s>underwater</s> underwear in case you get in an accident?<br/> Now you bring clean underwear in case you have an accident. <small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</small><br>'''Note:''' EEng pictured right, with his distinctive [[The World of Beachcomber|"Threadgold's Thoroughgrip Garterettes"]] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC) ]] |
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I see that DYK is as unwelcoming of attempts to improve the Main Page as TFA can be. Keep trying: the good efforts of MP contributors does not place them above well meaning proposals to improve accuracy and clear English. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 07:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for your words of encouragement, {{U|Kevin McE}}. {{U|Maile66}} and I are old pals, and while in this instance he didn’t see my point (which I probably could have expressed less enigmatically) I interpret his comment as being the opposite of unwelcoming. Please be sure to drop by [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]] while you’re here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC) |
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::"(which I probably could have expressed less enigmatically)" thats like asking [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M--8devfaaA penguins to stop stealing stones] ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 14:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Atsme}} Speaking of [[WP:ERRORS]], did you really mean "clean under'''water'''", or am I missing the joke? Of course, it's always good to have a [https://www.wikihow.com/Do-a-Water-Change-in-a-Freshwater-Aquarium change]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::<small>A bit of an aside to [[WP:ONEGOODGOOFDESERVESANOTHER]]? I think EEng willed it to keep this thread going. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 20:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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:::Thanks so much [[Fat Chance (album)|~mitch~]]. If I could just paraphrase [[David Attenborough|Saint David of Boatface]] for a moment: "Over the coming months, the few parts of [[Wikipedia|Antarctica]] that are [[WP:DYK|ice free]], will be the stage on which [[Newbie|five million Adélies]] will build their [[WP:YFA|nests]]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC) <small>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63-H858ZqWs] p.s. "No [[Swim briefs|budgies were inadvertently smuggled]] in the [[Public service announcement|construction of this thread]]."</small> |
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[[File:Het verongelukte KLM-toestel De Rijn, Bestanddeelnr 929-1005 - cropped.jpg|thumb|left|right|[[User:Mitchellhobbs]]'s runway debut{{snd}}the aftermath{{right|[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}<br/><br/> |
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Oh my, {{u|EEng}}, [[WP:YOUDONTSAY]] <br/> |
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<small><small> [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 04:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)</small></small>]] |
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:::::Thanks for all the leads ~ [[Victoria's Secret|Martinevans123]] ~ speaking of budgets ~ my first gig when I was 24 years old ~ was modeling swimsuits [[Runway (fashion)|(on the runway)]] ~ the best part of that job, was not the modeling part but back stage ~ all the models (including the females) changed together in one room ~ talk about a [[Strabismus|wandering eye]] ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 12:41, 16 October 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Oooh.... [[Airport apron|aprons]] to die for I bet, dearie! But one has to be careful with all those [[Runway incursion|paired sachet strolls ]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC) |
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EEng ~ I just saw where you got that picture from ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 20:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:And, in just case you're visiting UK [[The Most Wonderful Time of the Year (film)|this Christmas]], and you find you're in need of some ... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YS2dSa-Ud0 inclusive festive hardware]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::You Brits are truly weird. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:59, 8 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Yes sorry, although it's [["Weird Al" Yankovic|all relative]]. In Wales it's [[Weird West|even weirder]]. You Yanks are [[American Smooth (poetry collection)|so smooth]], of course: so congrats to your [[Michelle Visage|lovely Michelle]] who [[Strictly Come Dancing|strictly]] blew UK away tonight with her [[I Just Want to Make Love to You|Housewife Etta]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Let's be kind to Martin. After all, he seems to have [[Brexit|gone out of]] his mind. No point in picking on [[British intelligence agencies|British intelligence]] (even if that ''is'' an [[Moron (psychology)|oxymoron]]). --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::How very [[Nigel Farage|phone-in]] dare you!! Let's just have a [[People's Vote|proper vote]] on that moron result, shall we? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::But the Russians will interfere. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::Fortunately only in the constituency of Tory [[Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal|Economic Secretary to the Treasury, John Glen]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:24, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::That's not my [[John Glenn|orbit]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:31, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Now let's just keep [[Greta Thunberg|our feet]] on the ground, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGSxvH5i6XQ shall we]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::::[[Pied-à-terre|Agreed]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::::::EEng, so relieved to report that, just like [[Divas Hit the Road|you at Wiki]], the [[Queen of the Damned|"Queen of Detail"]] won through in the dance-off!! <small>*dabs eye with hanky, but then suddenly thrusts forward into a [[Livin' on a Prayer]]-type air-grab* </small> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Duh. Duh, duh, duh. == |
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You are clearly a [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Tower_Bridge&diff=922853942&oldid=922850746 bad] [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Tower_Bridge&diff=922855651&oldid=922855597 influence].... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 19:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:To be honest, I read the title to the tune of the [[The Imperial March]]...I assumed you were gonna compare EEng to Darth Vader or maybe Palpatine. And I was ready to accept that too. I was like "Yeah EEng could be a Sith Lord". [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 20:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC) |
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==Hi there== |
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You should enjoy this one: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Automobiles_facing_left Category:Automobiles_facing_left]. The Commons is a favorite playground of people doing very unnecessary work. Best, <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">''' Mr.choppers | '''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎ </span>]]</span> 01:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:I'd say this member of the category somewhat stretches the limit of the definition: |
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[[File:11-09-04-iaa-by-RalfR-164.jpg|thumb|center]] |
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:Also, to be honest, it doesn't make me really look forward to the driving experience. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::Have a quiet word with [[Deputy Dawg|Musky Muskrat]] and he'll get you a ride in a Tesla Roadster facing [[Falcon Heavy|left of Mars]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== The curator gets a well-deserved comeuppance == |
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[[File:Falcons on offense at Colorado State at Air Force 2010-10-09 3.jpg|thumb|OK, not Harvard-Yale, but a comeuppance nonetheless --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]]]] |
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[[File:Dalek (10634451635).jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|A [[WP:ArbCom|Dalek]] at the [[Doctor Who Experience]], Cardiff]] |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&curid=14915080&diff=926200120&oldid=926188061]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:That's your idea of a comeuppance? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Would you have preferred a steel rod through the head? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Iron, not steel, shit-for-brains.{{Fucking bastard douche bag}}. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::That was then. This is now. <small><small>(Oh, that's a great redirect for fbdb!)</small></small> --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:15, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Come to think of it, if you were an engineering major, maybe you didn't learn spelling. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::When I have trouble with comeuppants, I find it's usually I forgot to undo the fly button and zipper. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 22:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::Yes, [[Adam and the Ants|come up ants]] can be very troublesome. I usually reach for my faithful insecticidal anti-Stalin spray of [[Cum Jam Lustri|Polish Cum Jam]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:54, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Come, come, they don't really make [[Toe Jam (song)|jam]] out of ''that'', do they? I'd hate to think they spread it on [[Texas toast|Polish toast]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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*All right, now LOOK, ''all'' of you. There ARE LIMITS. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::No there aren't.--[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::Ah yes, first fine [[Texas toast|American cuisine]] and now shit-[[Forebrain|forebrains]]. You just reminded me why, in Cardiff, [[Brains Brewery|Brains SA]] is known as "skull attack". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Martin, you just gave me my new favorite image! [[:File:Cardiff PenarthRd bridge.jpg]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Glad to be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TehFPxfYSwo of service]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::I hadn't realized how much the people in Cardiff are [[Bad Brains|alienated]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== John C Yoo == |
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Did you know .... that the [[programming language]] [[Python (programming language)|Python]] frequently makes use of example variable names "spam" and "eggs"; indeed our article on [[Python syntax and semantics]] refers to "{{xt|For example, in the sample below, <code>viking_chorus</code> might cause menu_item to be run 8 times for each time it is called:}}" I wonder if you encounter a run-time error, are you cast into the gorge of eternal peril? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:00, 28 November 2019 (UTC) |
Did you know .... that the [[programming language]] [[Python (programming language)|Python]] frequently makes use of example variable names "spam" and "eggs"; indeed our article on [[Python syntax and semantics]] refers to "{{xt|For example, in the sample below, <code>viking_chorus</code> might cause menu_item to be run 8 times for each time it is called:}}" I wonder if you encounter a run-time error, are you cast into the gorge of eternal peril? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:00, 28 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== A humorous pause == |
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Perhaps this can be used by the museum curator: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship&oldid=928124744#Right_to_Pause?]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:Definitely a shame the "right to pause" didn't become a thing, because it's a great pic. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Enjoy == |
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|rowspan="3" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [[File:Pin-oak-leaf-tp 0557.png|thumb|300px|<center>Pin oak leaf from the steps of Widener Library<br/><br/><small><small><sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 21:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)</sup></small></small></center>]] |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | <center>On the steps of the Widener in Harvard Yard,<br/> Was a pin oak leaf, somewhat crinkly, not hard;<br/> |
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With delicate care it had to be handled,<br/> When lifted from the step without being mangled.<br/> Straight into a book, the leaf it did go,<br/>Quite safe from harm, for the wind it did blow.<br/>Down the steps of the library, I carefully retraced,<br/> With the book and the leaf quite closely embraced.<br/>I smiled a big smile for I knew what I’d do,<br/>When I reached the last step with my present for you.<br/>A picture I took of the leaf with great care,<br/>As students passed by, each holding a stare,<br/>Wondering what in the hell is that woman doing,<br/>All the while thinking there may be trouble brewing;<br/>What they did not know is that I was just being me,<br/>Taking a picture for E-E-n-g.</center> |
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Gosh, that's really sweet. I hope you always use your substantial talents only for good, never for evil. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC) <small>P.S. You do know I'm gay, right? I don't want you getting your hopes up. P.P.S. You might enjoy [https://widenerlibrary.tumblr.com/].</small> |
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:[[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:09, 30 November 2019 (UTC) |
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*Now there's [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=928866222#Your_wish...]. Honestly, between you and {{U|Levivich}} and the rest of my stalkers, this page is a veritable [[Algonquin Round Table]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:What I wouldn't give for a time machine to go back 100 years to the [[Algonquin Hotel]] and <del>sleep with</del> meet [[Dorothy Parker]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Levivich, [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]]. EEng - agree. I have been reprimanded on WP for time spent on UTPs vs time spent creating/editing articles in mainspace. I've noticed that on WP larger hour glasses are used for topics my critics like, whereas everything else is timed with a 2 min hour glass. ⌛️🥚 Hands on experience has taught me there are many things one cannot possibly learn by simply reading about it (the experiences of others) or listening to a lecture in a controlled environment (absent the environmental challenges) or collaborating with limited talent. The more diversity there is in our interactions with others, the greater the likelihood it will spawn higher levels of creativity, inspiration and motivation - even if the motivation is to get the hell outta there! 😂 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 04:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Please comment on [[Talk:Obsolete theories of the Hungarian language relations#Cal-Ugrian|Talk:Obsolete theories of the Hungarian language relations]] == |
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The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is not asking for participation in [[Talk:Obsolete theories of the Hungarian language relations#Cal-Ugrian|this discussion on '''Talk:Obsolete theories of the Hungarian language relations''']]. <!-- Ain't no comment in here. --> <!-- This is not a FRS id. --> But I am. And this is not the feedback request service. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:Wow, that's actually an article. I had no idea that was a thing. Today, I learned what's at the intersection of [[:Category:Hungarian language]] and [[:Category:Fringe theories]]. This is why I Wikipedia. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 06:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::I'm sorry, but all competition for the most obscure and bizarre RfC became moot with [[Special:Diff/694080261#Please_comment_on_Talk:Florida_State_Road_997|"Please comment on Talk:Florida State Road 997"]] and [[Special:Diff/673860002#Please_comment_on_Talk:List_of_forestry_journals|"Please comment on Talk:List of forestry journals"]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Please comment on {{fontcolor|blue|Talk:Most obscure and and bizarre RfCs at Wikipedia}}. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:30, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Shucks, Trypto, I actually [[Clickbait (film)|tried to click]]. [[Phantom vibration syndrome|Darn it!]] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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[[File:Baby_goat_jumping.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|Ok, ok...we were just kiddin'.<br/><small><small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</small></small>]] |
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:::::Next time, I'll rickroll you! I think there's a party trick where a person is given a card that says "See other side" – on both sides! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Deep lolness. I just love Wikipedia, [[I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to Be Free|don't you]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::[[Robert Crumb|Crumbs]]! Whatever would [[User:Slideshow Bob|Homer]] have [[Sideshow Bob|said]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:37, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:*Shucks. And it's such a very, very [[Lawn jockey|long lawn]], too. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:53, 5 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== WP:ALLCAPSBLUELINK == |
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To what page should [[WP:ALLCAPSBLUELINK]] link? |
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#[[Wikipedia:Don't overuse shortcuts to policy and guidelines to win your argument]] aka [[WP:BASH]] (also candidate for [[WP:TITLETOOLONG]]) |
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#[[Wikipedia:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!]] aka [[WP:OMG]] aka [[WP:WTF]] aka [[WP:WOTTA]] aka [[WP:3LA]] (also candidate for [[WP:TOOMANYSHORTCUTS]]) |
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#Somewhere else |
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#[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQpgmleDT0 Fuckin' nowhere] |
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Usage example: ''Don't [[WP:ALLCAPSBLUELINK]] me, I've been editing since you were in diapers!'' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 06:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:Not sure, but if you want a dramatic presentation of what a fucking mess shortcut naming is on this project, see [[Wikipedia:Shortcut_directory]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Wow if you scroll through that quickly and skim it, it's like a [[Rorschach test]]. I saw [[WP:BEER]], [[WP:FAMILYGUY]], [[WP:BEATLES]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 06:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Consider, first without looking where it leads, what [[WP:X]] would be a shortcut to. (Porno WikiProject? Something deletionist?) Then look. Surprise! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::No need to get [[Hermann Rorschach|personal]] dear! [[User:Slideshow Bob|WP HOMER]] is quite a good one. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Christianity? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::[[Saltire|St Andrewology]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Ha! I was right! You are not dealing with just anybody's fool, Tfish. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:08, 7 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Absolutely! You are a very special fool.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:I really, truly wish there was a [[WP:PISSOFF]].--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 13:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Please comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#rfc_468BE1A|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style]] == |
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The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#rfc_468BE1A|this request for comment on '''Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 115377 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*In all seriousness, all in my glittering salon of talk-page stalkers are invited to participate, the discussion being whether ships should continue to be referred to as ''she'' (instead of ''it'') in articles. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:So far no one has proposed using both as a compromise: ''sheit''. Usage example: ''Look at my boat, ain't sheit a beauty?'' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*::Go ahead, propose it. I'm serious. Reminds me of an arbitrator whom I used to address as "Your Arbship"; when there was talk of him becoming a bureaucrat I mused that then I could address him as "Your Crapshit". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::No way. If I propose it, I'll be asked follow up questions. Maybe you can settle this by asking Mr. <del>Crapshit</del> <del>[[Bob Cratchit|Cratchit]]</del> Cratship which pronouns sheit prefers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 07:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*::::Uhm, in Texas, that would be the phonetic spelling of 💩. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 11:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::::I think that each ship should be asked for their preferred pronoun. Some of them might be [[Transit (ship)|trans]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*::::::You're a month too late [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=927455805]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::::::Well, either you show excellent judgment, or I'm pregnant. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*::::::::Tryp, in your case, it would be called "consequential hermaphroditism". 😉 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::::::::::You are making assumptions that might not be true. After all, it could even be hismaphroditism. Or [[Divine (performer)|divine intervention]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::::::::In the name of all the is decent, please stop. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC) |
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==Vashing== |
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::''A response to my recently announced contest to define the word "vashing'' [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=930989708]:'' |
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Hi E. I thought that surely that [[Alex (A Clockwork Orange)|Alex]] used that word at some point in the story but, alas, the closest I could get is [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:A_Clockwork_Orange#F fashed]. Oh well maybe I can win the next contest :-) Enjoy your week! [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 08:15, 16 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:Oh - It is possible that the [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/f4rb0nQqsM5KhgHJf0BlTZ/vashta-nerada Vashta Nerada] are vashing when they eat :-D [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 08:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::There are so many possibilities. It sounds like ''vamping'', which I think is a marvelous word. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Vash''' ''(vb)'' from the [[Old French]] [[:wikt:vache#Old French|vache]] for a [[cow]]. |
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*: A [[Normans|Norman]] method of punishment in post-[[Norman conquest of England|conquest]] England, in which rebellious natives would be killed by having cattle dropped on them. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 07:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::From which we get the expression, "[https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0be09867-0aa7-4824-9494-f774fc767221 Don't have a cow!]". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*::::[[Mancow Muller|Chimera?]] --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:12, 19 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Vash''' ''(vb)'' incorrect [[back-formation]] from [[lavash]]. |
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*:To slap sticky raw bread dough onto something or someone. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:09, 20 December 2019 (UTC) |
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==Cheers== |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [[Damon Runyon|Damon Runyon's]] short story [https://classic.esquire.com/article/1947/12/1/dancing-dans-christmas "Dancing Dan's Christmas"] is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the [[Tom and Jerry (drink)|hot Tom and Jerry]] |
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<blockquote>This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.</blockquote> |
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No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well EEng. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 21:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== [[Salem witch trials|News just in]]... == |
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Only 327 years ago? I guess the big difference is that they were [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/learn-some-history-mayor-salem-mass-blasts-trump-over-witch-n1104201 innocent]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== A Fairy Merry Christmas == |
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==Be well at Christmas== |
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'''Be well. Keep well. Have a lovely Christmas. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 16:45, 23 December 2019 (UTC) |
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Dear EEng, many thanks for your entertaining post at the MoS style discussion re "she" and "it". It brought back some very old memories; are you familiar with ''[[Unlikely Stories, Mostly]]'' by [[Alasdair Gray]]? If not, I think you would appreciate the tenth story in the collection. Best regards, --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 16:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
Dear EEng, many thanks for your entertaining post at the MoS style discussion re "she" and "it". It brought back some very old memories; are you familiar with ''[[Unlikely Stories, Mostly]]'' by [[Alasdair Gray]]? If not, I think you would appreciate the tenth story in the collection. Best regards, --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 16:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:Oh! How did that not come up in my research??? Thank you! I'm traveling now but will have a sit and read next time I'm at the library. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
:Oh! How did that not come up in my research??? Thank you! I'm traveling now but will have a sit and read next time I'm at the library. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Nadolig Llawen == |
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[[File:ChristmasCrackers 2.jpg|thumb|left|180px|[[Crackers the Corporate Crime Fighting Chicken|Craceri nadolig?]]]] |
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Q: What do you call Santa's little helpers?<br> |
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A: Subordinate clauses!<br> |
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:'''[[A Child's Christmas in Wales|Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda]].''' [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:46, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::You really need that keyboard looked at. Love the joke. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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... and more crackers - "[[Taking the piss|taking the peace]]", as we say in [[Abiy Ahmed|Ethiopia]]: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-51063149]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== A Joyous Yuletide to you! == |
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'''Hello [[User:EEng|EE]], may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this [[Christmas and holiday season|seasonal occasion]]. Spread the [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] by wishing another user a [[Christmas|Merry Christmas]] and a [[New Year|Happy New Year]], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020. <br />Happy editing,''' <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em;" class="texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 20:58, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Same song - second verse == |
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[https://www.wideopenspaces.com/crazy-mishap-sends-spearfishing-arrow-through-mans-head/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=agora&utm_term=faves&utm_campaign=faves&fbclid=IwAR3hZq9tLLZSrxeiiS8dcdAh6ueQ2-gX-ALvP3835EJpz0Dhs3unZWHi5Sc Yep], just smaller. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:50, 26 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== It really isn't that simple == |
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[https://io9.gizmodo.com/what-gender-is-your-roomba-5268217 Nothing is]. --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 20:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:I had mine "altered" -- changed from AC to DC. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:54, 26 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Ooooh! You're such a [[Rectifier|Recto Queen]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== {{tl|Ran}} and {{tl|Rma}} == |
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I think these two templates are broken. They don't seem to be work correctly at [[Malwina Luczak]]. Is there something I am not understanding? The anchor function does not appear to work like {{tl|cite web}} and others. --- [[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]]&[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366">C</span>]] ([[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 03:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:They work fine for me. Clicking on one of the footnote marks scrolls to and highlights the relevant reference. I suspect, from your recent edits to the article, that you are running a user script that breaks things and then displays an error message for what it has broken. That would be the place to look for bugs, rather than in these templates. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 03:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Hold on while I investigate. [[Mr. Coffee]] may be on to something. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::OK, {{U|David Eppstein}} and {{U|Coffeeandcrumbs}} ... the templates work right, and yes, there's a user script throwing a spurious error. See [[:Template:Ran/doc#Error_messages]], and if anyone wants to fill in the {{explain}}, knock yourself out. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I just tried it while incognito and it does work just fine. Although my edits on the article were to get rid of the error messages, my actual concern was why the highlighting and scrolling was not working. It turns out the issue is a conflict with [[WP:POPUPS]] which I also have enabled. I tried it with POPUPS off and it works just fine. Sorry for the bother. --- [[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]]&[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366">C</span>]] ([[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 07:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I meant to mention that you do have a shitload of js installed and it's inevitable that something conflicts with something. This modern software environment is like the wild west. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Please critique == |
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[[File:EN_BESKYTTERINDE_AF_INDUSTRIEN.gif|thumb|upright=0.85|"She also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht."{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]] |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=SMS_Emden&diff=prev&oldid=932746353 See what you think]. --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 00:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:"She also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht"? If you saw that sentence in isolation, not in an article about a ship, what impression would you make of the subject? It seems similar in spirit to EEng's example of HM the Q smashing a bottle on herself and then falling majestically into the water. If you're going to leave feminine pronouns in place they should not be written in a way that could allow confusion with actual female persons. (I realize that this sentence was present before your update, but it really should have been changed along with the rest.) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Good spot. Sounds quite sleazy if you read it a certain way. I changed it again. See what you think. --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 01:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::It still says that Emden was aboard a yacht as an escort. Is that really an accurate description of the location of the evening's entertainments? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::For those playing along at home, Professor Eppstein refers to {{tq|After Queen Elizabeth broke a bottle of champagne against her gigantic bow she slipped majestically into the water}}. (And -- shamelessly re-plugging two of my favorites -- see also [[Eleanor_Elkins_Widener#Second_marriage_and_South_American_adventures|"EXPLORER WEDS TITANIC WIDOW"]] and [https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/03/29/reuters-policy-replacing-terms-queen-queen-elizabeth-produced-hilarious-results/ "Queen Elizabeth has 10 times the lifespan of workers and lays up to 2,000 eggs a day"].) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{U|The Huhsz}}, I'm always honored to be called upon, but I thought I did this already, halfway down this section [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=932748747#What_we_get_if_we_keep_the_%22she%22_recommendation]. I'm afraid I won't be able to help out on any ship articles which retain the ''she'' nonsense because my laptop's warranty is voided if I vomit on the keyboard. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::The two banes of EEng: She-ships and pro wrestling.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Well, if you are willing to risk your warranty with a quick look [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=SMS_Emden&type=revision&diff=932871058&oldid=930456438 here], you'll see just how easy it is to remove 29 pronouns from a Featured Article without (I hope) damaging readability or meaning. Happy New Year when it comes. --[[User:The Huhsz|The Huhsz]] ([[User talk:The Huhsz|talk]]) 18:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Yup, good work, but of course there's plenty of she-stuff left. If you can get consensus to switch from ''she'' to ''it'' in that article, I'll be happy to give it one of my patented goings-over. Do contribute to [[WP:Queen Elizabeth slipped majestically into the water]] if you can. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers == |
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Hi EEng. Could you explain this reversion? [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=932743399] --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 02:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:A lot of what AutoEd does is problematic even when applied to everyday articles; but a blind mass change to a highly complex page like WP:MOS is completely inappropriate. For example, replacing code such as <code><nowiki>3&ndash;1</nowiki></code> with <code><nowiki>3–1</nowiki></code> makes it difficult or impossible to verify by sight, in the edit window, that the right kind of dash (hyphen?) is present, which is essential since MOS's purpose is to show how to do things character by character. Let me turn it around, {{U|Bsherr}}: can you explain your edit? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:33, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Sure! See [[Help:Entering special characters]]. That page explains that entering special characters using an HTML character reference or entity name is not recommended. I assume that's why the special character link (see [[Help:Entering special characters#Special character link]]) interface feature inserts the Unicode character, and not an HTML character reference. That's also why AutoEd automatically corrects them. I'd be pleased to discuss it further, but would you mind if we did so on a relevant Wikipedia talk page? (Even if I agree with you in the end, that would only result in my now having a view inconsistent with [[Help:Entering special characters]] and AutoEd's functions. And if I don't, now you're just chasing me around every time I use AutoEd, right? {{smiley|27}}) But I am curious if your preference is only concerning dashes/hyphens. Why, for example, would you prefer <code><nowiki>&#186;</nowiki></code> to <code>°</code>? --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 03:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I can give a hypothetical reason: because I can't keep ° and º straight (at least in fonts that don't underscore the º) and they're right next to each other on my Mac keyboard (option-shift-8 vs option-0), so if I remembered that the one I want is &#186; I could just type that and not worry that I was typing the wrong one. And if that was my reason for doing so, I'd want it to ''stay that way'' so that the next time I edited the article I could see that it was still the correct one. For a less-hypothetical example, I also can't easily tell − and – apart, and prefer to see &minus; in the source code (when that is the appropriate character) so that I can tell that the correct one is in use. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::{{ec}} with D.E. above (and noting that great minds think alike) ... |
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:::{{U|Bsherr}}, I'm a bit distracted tonight so I'll be blunt: Help pages are not policies or guidelines and (as they themselves say) have {{tq|not been thoroughly vetted by the community}}. In fact they're a weird, neglected backwater; most were started years ago, never attracted much scrutiny, and have languished since unmaintained, often falling completely out of sync with actual practice (and often never were in sync to begin with). And yeah, while {{tq|That page explains that entering special characters using an HTML character reference or entity name is not recommended}}, it doesn't give a very convincing explanation of ''why'' it makes this anti-recommendation: |
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:::*{{tq|[symbolic references to characters] are distracting for many editors}}{{snd}}Stuff under the hood is often less attractive; we editors make that sacrifice in order to be sure that what the reader sees is correct; |
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:::*{{tq|they may cause difficulties with searches in Wikipedia}}{{snd}}source code is searched as source code; searches "in Wikipedia" (whatever that means{{snd}}presumably searches by the reader{{snd}}are, in fact, completely unaffected by the source coding under the hood, since the rendered page is identical either way). |
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:::As to {{tq|That's also why AutoEd automatically corrects them}}, it's not a correction but imposition of a preference. There was a time when there was a small group of editors who had started out fixing real errors like typos and broken syntax, and scope-creeped their activities into very unpleasant strongarming of their personal ideas of how things should be onto other editors. Those editors are no longer doing that, thankfully, though unthankfully this came at the cost of our losing those editors completely, because apparently they couldn't see themselves in any other role. Please don't follow that path. |
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:::{{tq|Why, for example, would you prefer &#186; to °?}}{{snd}}Because as &#186 I can tell (relatively) easily that it's the right character. But as literals: is this -->°<-- right? Or is it this -->º<--? They're certainly different, and one is right and one is wrong, but I can't tell offhand which is which. Can you? |
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:::You are responsible for your edits using automated tools. Just because someone wrote the tool doesn't make it right. If you want to press the point I suggest you open a discussion at [[WT:MOSNUM]]. ''Even if'' these changes are in principle appropriate, you're making hundreds of changes, of many kinds, in a single edit and they're impossible for you or anyone else to review properly. I know you mean well but this is not a good use of your time, or the time of others, and since as noted it makes maintaining and verifying these pages harder, it's in fact counterproductive. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::::I know that tone can often be misconstrued here, but I read your comment above (particularly your choosing to pedantically remind me of my responsibility to use automated tools responsibly, your venturing to tell me what is and isn't worth my time, and your implication that you are too busy to discuss your reversion, but not too busy to revert it) as quite rude and obnoxious. It's particularly hurtful because I have tried to be friendly in my approach here. I'm very much hoping you didn't mean it that way. Let me know what your intentions were. But I'll say again, if you have an issue with the content of [[Help:Entering special characters]] or with the functioning of AutoEd, wouldn't you be better served addressing it on those pages? Your tactic of confronting individual editors is, frankly, bizarre. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 06:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::You're lucky you caught me in a good mood, actually. I didn't confront you: I reverted your edit with an indicative edit summary, ''you'' came to ''me'' looking for a further explanation, and I gave you a detailed one, which BTW was presciently anticipated by David Eppstein. ''Help:Entering special characters'' already says, itself, that it's not a policy or guideline and not vetted by the community, but you don't seem to be taking on board what that means; at the same time, as already mentioned, AutoEd is just a piece of software some editor wrote and I have no control over what's in it, but you have control over whether and how you use it. If someone told you to enable all its "features" and push GO they did you a disservice. I'm sorry if I came on strong but those of us who work hard on articles and project pages and sweat the details thought that the age of the hit-and-run "fixer" was in the past; see the first box at [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=932549585#Museum_of_Wise_Words]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Pearls before swine == |
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:[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Improving the "Kaprun disaster" article == |
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thank you for your statement on the Kaprun disaster talk page: "The article has significant tone and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS problems". I want to help improve the page allthough I am not a native speaker. I would be thankful if you could list the things you think that should be improved in detail and I will see what I can do. If the tone is not correct I want to improve it and will take your suggestions seriously as well as the topic "rightgreatwrongs". Sadly it seems that native speakers are not much interested in editing this specific article so I am looking forward to do my best. Thank you very much and BR --[[User:Salzburger Nockerl|Salzburger Nockerl]] ([[User talk:Salzburger Nockerl|talk]]) 18:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== In case you missed it == |
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Jean Berko has a new short video in the PBS News Hour: https://www.pbs.org/video/bbs-jean-berko-gleason-1577998068/ |
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—[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:00, 3 January 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{tps}} Great video! [[Jean Berko Gleason#Children's learning of English morphology—the Wug Test|A real legend]].... maybe we should get [[User:Wugapodes|that user]] over to see it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:She really is (as someone put it once) a "hotrod granny". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:19, 3 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== US Airways Flight 1549 edit == |
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Navigating Wikipedia on mobile is pretty damn difficult especially if you've got butter fingers like I do. Sorry for the revert! Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 17:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC) |
Navigating Wikipedia on mobile is pretty damn difficult especially if you've got butter fingers like I do. Sorry for the revert! Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 17:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:I've already [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/03/eat-frog/ eaten my live toad] this morning, so don't worry about it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC) |
:I've already [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/03/eat-frog/ eaten my live toad] this morning, so don't worry about it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== I see == |
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you have regrown you long and luxuriant talk page. May it's curls and swirls continue to astound the world.-- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b> 11:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Didn't mean to be responding to you == |
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That was my fear too when I saw EEng comment on that section. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 22:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
That was my fear too when I saw EEng comment on that section. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 22:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== lol == |
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The Burma-Shave poems are my new favourite enwiki meme. 10/10, had me giggling at my desk. -- a <sup> <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Alfie|they/them]] | [[User talk:Alfie|argue]] | [[Special:Contributions/Alfie|contribs]]</span></sup> 01:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Thank You == |
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Hi EEng, Just a quick note to say thanks for cleaning up [[Galaxy Airlines Flight 203]]. I was going to do the same but you beat me to it! Cheers, - [[User:Samf4u|Samf4u]] ([[User talk:Samf4u|talk]]) 19:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC) |
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I'll second that thanks. Cheers![[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 21:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== I don't know if you're aware... == |
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== [[Gurbaksh Chahal#Personal_life]] == |
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Wanna jump into a hornet's nest? Some COI/PAID editors have been trying to whitewash this. A bunch of regulars have been pretty outspoken about stopping it. I removed some tabloid, but the negative BLP looks adequately sourced. I'd appreciate if you take a look and see if anything can be done. I think that whole section should go, but I doubt that will happen. Cheers, -- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b> 09:52, 26 January 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'm confused. First you say it's well sourced (sources look fine to me on quick check) then you say the section should go (meaning be removed)? The English is a little off, though. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC) |
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::Indeed. I just need an unbiased opinion from a neutral editor who deals well with contentious articles. May be moot.-- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b> 01:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== I think == |
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you will see the same beauty in [[User talk:SportingFlyer/Archive 2#Testing signature...|this thread]] that I do. – <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Velocipedes, Jardin de Luxembourg, 1818.JPG|thumb|center|upright=1.8|{{center|They with the {{nobr|fancy user signatures}}}}-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]]] |
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:[[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== Look at the catgories it is in then back at the image == |
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1997_Fiat_Coupe_20VT_(4545381753).jpg [[User:LakesideMiners|<b><span style="color:#32CD32">LakesideMiners</span></b>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:LakesideMiners|Come Talk To Me!]] </sup> 19:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:I guess [[:Commons:Category:Automobiles with open hoods]] is the car-porn equivalent of [[:Commons:Category:Category:Bottomlessness]] (described as {{tq| the state of partial nudity in which a person has his/her genitalia and/or buttocks uncovered but has torso/breasts covered}}). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:09, 4 February 2020 (UTC) |
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*{{u|EEng}}, the car is facing right as well... not left... [[User:LakesideMiners|<b><span style="color:#32CD32">LakesideMiners</span></b>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:LakesideMiners|Come Talk To Me!]] </sup> 13:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Not from the car's point of view. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC) |
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*::..... brought to you by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7uQOxJvEg Le Wikipedia Franglaise]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:23, 9 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== Best laugh I've had the whole day! == |
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You have my vote to cast dispersions and to diffuse humour! [[User:Rui Gabriel Correia|Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia]] ([[User talk:Rui Gabriel Correia|talk]]) 16:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:Our visitor's kind words refer to [[WP:Diffusing conflict]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== [[Goat tower]] == |
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[[File:Hausziege 04.jpg|thumb|.07|All along the Goat Tower, princess keeps the view.-- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b>]] |
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This new GA is begging for an April 1 DYK, but I'm not getting there. Do you see one? [[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 22:29, 10 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, I'm drawing a blank. But to complement ''Did you know'', maybe we need a new feature called ''Are you kidding?'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:11, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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::Hahaha!! That's so funny I nearly [[Fainting goat|fainted]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC) <small>p.s. excuse me while I [[Purple Haze|kiss this guy]] </small> |
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:::Damnit, you'd think this would be a gold mine, but I'm also coming up with nothing. You got [[Rapunzel]] jokes, [[Leaning Tower of Pisa]] jokes, [[Tower of London]] jokes – I mean just think of the British political jokes you could make about a bunch of goats locked up in a tower. Something something royal family, there's a [[Mexit|Me-e-e-e-xit]] joke in there, I just can't get it out. And that's not to mention [https://modernfarmer.com/2014/04/goats-love-playgrounds/ the girl with the goat tower tattoo]. I can't believe I'm not coming up with anything, this is really getting my goat. Maybe just: "Did you know ... that there are goat towers?" <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 16:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::"My uncle kept mountain goats. But they kept [[Derek and Clive Get the Horn|giving him the horn]]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::"Marvin Gaye kept a goat in my vineyard. He'd herd it through the grapevine." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::When I get to Brazil that’s going straight to the top of my user page. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::Am assuming not the [[Brazil (1985 film)|Terry Gilliam version]]?? And thanks for the star billing.... if only I could [https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/feb/13/winning-puns-comedy-championships-leicester-leo-kearse claim the credit]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:21, 12 February 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::There's got to be a baaaaaa-d pun here somewhere...[[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== go figure == |
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[[File:Honeycrisp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0]]-- <b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span>]][[User talk:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:red">fried</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:gold">okra</span>]] </b> 10:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== A question for the Museum of Damn Statistics == |
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Specifically the example cited at [[User:EEng#Museum_of_Damn_Statistics]]. Is that an example of the [[base rate fallacy]]? [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 12:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}, it’s nothing nearly so lofty. It’s simply another dreary example of blindly multiplying unconditional probabilities as if they were conditional. Most of the fun statistical “paradoxes” are in one way or another traceable to this blunder, deep down under a few extra layers, but here the blunder is on display naked and bare. In fact, in the userbox example there’s something even more fundamentally wrong: people don’t pick their userboxen at random as if from a hat, so the “unconditional probabilities” are wrong to begin with, before we even get to the blunder of blindly multiplying them. (This probably isn’t the clearest response I could give but I’m on my phone with a sunburn so it’s the best I’ve got the strength for right now.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC) |
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[[William McMurray (engineer)]] - could probably be expanded but the technical aspects are over my head. If/when you have the time, perhaps you could add some information about McMurray's contribution - maybe create a history section, and another about his inventions/patents, or whatever? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC) |
[[William McMurray (engineer)]] - could probably be expanded but the technical aspects are over my head. If/when you have the time, perhaps you could add some information about McMurray's contribution - maybe create a history section, and another about his inventions/patents, or whatever? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:It's not my area but I can fake it well enough. However, I'm a little backed up right now. Ping me in two weeks if you don't see any movement on the article by then. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC) |
:It's not my area but I can fake it well enough. However, I'm a little backed up right now. Ping me in two weeks if you don't see any movement on the article by then. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Atsme}}, I'm sorry to note that I never got to this. I'm afraid now isn't the time either, but I don't want you to think I plan to let you down. Ping me sometime when you think of it again, at least 6 months from now. This is probably something best done when the libraries are open. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== Just checking == |
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So, {{U|JIP}}, I guess this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=942301672] means I won't be getting the $10,000,000? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== Your interference over at DGG's talk page == |
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:::::"Your own" scanned better, though. Repetition isn't always bad (see [[repetition (rhetorical device)]]) and avoiding it can be worse (see [[elegant variation]]). Also the question of whether repetition or its avoidance is better can get you into <s>lame</s> fun wiki-arguments (see [[Template:Did you know nominations/Amy Langville]]). —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
:::::"Your own" scanned better, though. Repetition isn't always bad (see [[repetition (rhetorical device)]]) and avoiding it can be worse (see [[elegant variation]]). Also the question of whether repetition or its avoidance is better can get you into <s>lame</s> fun wiki-arguments (see [[Template:Did you know nominations/Amy Langville]]). —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::I stand corrected, Herr Doktor Professor. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
::::::I stand corrected, Herr Doktor Professor. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== Economists == |
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See first sentence of [[user:John Maynard Friedman|my home page]]. ([[Milton Keynes]] is my stamping ground). I know zilch about economics. --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:I knew all that, actually, but couldn't pass up the opportunity. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC) |
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(outdent) I remain convinced that those images and captions are a disruptive distraction and don't belong on that talkpage. However, given everything else that's going on right now, on Wikipedia and in the world, we don't have the luxury of enough energy and bandwidth for the drama that would probably ensue if I removed them again. Therefore, I will reluctantly drop the issue at this point. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC) |
(outdent) I remain convinced that those images and captions are a disruptive distraction and don't belong on that talkpage. However, given everything else that's going on right now, on Wikipedia and in the world, we don't have the luxury of enough energy and bandwidth for the drama that would probably ensue if I removed them again. Therefore, I will reluctantly drop the issue at this point. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:But there's always a silver lining. With everyone sequestered at home with little to do, I expect that the NPP backlog and any open arbitration cases will be resolved with remarkable speed. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC) |
:But there's always a silver lining. With everyone sequestered at home with little to do, I expect that the NPP backlog and any open arbitration cases will be resolved with remarkable speed. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== Archive this page, for the love of .... anything, really == |
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I think I've told you this before, EEng. Those of us who are frequently travelling, or using slower internet connections, literally cannot load your talk page at a useful speed. By refusing to archive this you're preventing a substantial number of editors from contacting you, and that's a poor look. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 20:44, 10 March 2020 (UTC) |
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: The oldest message on this page as it currently stands dates from less than three months ago.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 01:08, 15 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::I suggest that EEng be split into four beings. [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 02:36, 15 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines]] == |
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I'm glad to see that you are applying Occam's razor to this page, as needs to be done for most of our policies and guidelines. One quibble that I have is with the edit summary {{diff2|945215104|here}}. I can see from experience that many Wikipedia editors have reading skills below that expected of 3rd-graders. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 15:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:Now, now, don't be harsh. BTW, my philosophy of composition is reflected in the quotations at the head of [[WP:Principle_of_Some_Astonishment#Principle_of_Some_Astonishment]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I don't know why we are dancing on the head of a pin with this; EEng, strike the belittling remark to do with RexxS's RfA and in your edit summary, apologise. Also, quit with the violence jokes. Aside from the jovial air in which you are doing this, Valereee, I do appreciate your efforts to finish someone else's dirty work. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 14:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC) |
::::I don't know why we are dancing on the head of a pin with this; EEng, strike the belittling remark to do with RexxS's RfA and in your edit summary, apologise. Also, quit with the violence jokes. Aside from the jovial air in which you are doing this, Valereee, I do appreciate your efforts to finish someone else's dirty work. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 14:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::RexxS is exhibiting precisely the poor temperament that participants at his RfA were concerned about, and when Valereee explained how confusing a certain template's usage was he called her "inept" (and not in a joking way) so I stand by my post. And your affected hand-wringing about "violence jokes" strikes me as a low blow. Maybe sleep deprivation has made you punchy? Don't be so pugnacious. Let's all just knuckle down and get back to editing. I could give you a backhanded compliment if you want. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC) |
:::::RexxS is exhibiting precisely the poor temperament that participants at his RfA were concerned about, and when Valereee explained how confusing a certain template's usage was he called her "inept" (and not in a joking way) so I stand by my post. And your affected hand-wringing about "violence jokes" strikes me as a low blow. Maybe sleep deprivation has made you punchy? Don't be so pugnacious. Let's all just knuckle down and get back to editing. I could give you a backhanded compliment if you want. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== Ok, so I just learned that the media doesn't like "Chinese coronavirus"? == |
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Well, I have some suggestions, so how about: |
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*kung flu? |
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*moo shoo ah choo? |
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*bat soup bronchitis? |
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*moo goo gai pandemic? |
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*Wubonic plague? |
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*lung pao sicken? |
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*sweet and sour sicken? |
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:Feel free to add your own, or someone else's. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Drew-Mrs-Malaprop.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|[[Mrs. Malaprop]] [http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24761 declared], ''"Sure, if I reprehend any thing in this world it is the use of my oracular tongue, and a nice derangement of epitaphs!"'' So, are we just having a little pun or over-indulging in malapropisms? <small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</small>]] |
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::I'm cracking up at "moo goo gai pandemic" over here. Ah-chow mein? Beef and bronchitis? Egg cough soup? I feel like there's also a [[Chinese Taipei]] reference to be made that's lurking somewhere.... [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 02:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Please don't feel scolded, because this isn't a scolding (and your creativity is amazing), but here I'll counsel that we be a bit more circumspect than usual. Asians really are being attacked on the street by Trumpists and their kin [https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-uk/the-rise-of-coronavirus-hate-crimes] so for now let's suspend this line of thought so as not to add fuel to the fire, even here in our own little corner of the world. Prayers for all. (I actually don't believe in prayer, but [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/10/09/horseshoe-luck/ they say it works even if you don't believe in it].) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::+1 [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 11:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC) <small>And it's ok if you feel scolded by ''me'' if you want, cause unlike EEng I ''am'' a scold and proud of it;-) </small> |
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::::Is it then bad that I snorted at kung flu? [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng|talk]]) 03:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Well, PME...it is feasible that kung flu could be considered fighting words. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 10:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I guess I'll shelve those jokes about Italian Lockdown Soup and Iranian Sneeze-kabob. Hard to do this with American cuisine though. I mean, how do you make fun of hamburger-and-my-idiot-president-just-scared-10,000-points-out-of-the-Dow-fries? [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 03:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Wait I got one: "[[Freedom fries|recession fries]]". [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 03:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Available for take-out only. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:26, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::And for those not following my userpage (as all good stalkers should be): "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHSVOVLmNY I Got It from Agnes]". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::It's not the media, it's the people in charge of naming diseases who are pointing out it's not helpful and is often harmful, and the media are accepting their word for it. The only person who likes it is Trump because he thinks it somehow shifts the blame from him to another country, and he'll throw literally anyone under the bus in order to protect himself. Well, maybe not Ivanka...no, yeah, I think he might even throw Ivanka under the bus if the alternative was admitting he'd not handled something perfectly. [[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 10:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, and a Trump-Pence campaign letter states: “America is under attack — not just by an invisible virus, but by the Chinese,” while accusing Biden of “siding with the Chinese”.[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/us/politics/china-virus.html] This subject has been added to the Racial views of Donald Trump article.[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump#%22Chinese_Virus%22] [[User:Objective3000|O3000]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 11:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:WHO_in_PPE.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Attire recommended for shopping in Florida. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]]]] |
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{{outdent}} I'll come right out and say it-- ''[[Kung Fu Fighting|everybody is kung-flu fighting]]''. (gallows humor. I'm actually terrified as Florida seems to be following the Italian approach of smashing a train into a dumpster fire.) --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]] 11:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Deepfriedokra}}, yeah, the photos from Florida are looking a little worrisome. [[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:04, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:I get it. Tying the coronavirus to China is a political distraction, there's genuine racism and hate crimes going on, and is generally a terrible thing to do. But ''damn'' if kung-flu fighting and moo goo gai pandemic aren't two of the funniest things I've seen since this mess started. (Also, my report from a college town in the American midwest: panic buying here apparently also means "buy the entire salad section") [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 12:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Creffett}}, Except that's not true. [https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/ China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World] That's from The Atlantic. If you want CNN, this is CNN, [https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html The coronavirus crisis is raising questions over China's relationship with the World Health Organization] and one reason there is a big push from Trump in calling this the Chinese virus is that China is pushing trolls and conspiracy theories that the US started this virus and they are calling it the American virus, and all the celebrities are buying it. Had the Chinese actually done what they should, just like during SARS and in the past, this might have been stopped or we would have been much better off. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 14:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::We're not talking about what the Chinese government did. We're talking about people in the street blaming their Asian neighbors. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{ec}} There are all kinds of innocuous puns and malapropisms that bring a bit of levity to real world fears. With that said, please take care, especially if you intend to go to a restaurant anytime soon: |
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:::''Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.'' That's all folks. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 12:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Creffett}}, you mean the salad bar? Here (in Ohio) they're closing them down for safety reasons. [[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:01, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::{{u|Valereee}}, no, I mean all of the packaged greens, salad kits, cole slaw, that part of the produce section. Went to the store last week trying to head off the rush and that section was completely empty. Other interesting takeaways: despite their respective sections being nearly cleared out, ''nobody'' wanted the frozen okra, frozen cauliflower, zero-calorie grape Gatorade, or jars of alfredo sauce. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 17:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::{{u|Creffett}}, well, duh. Grape Gatorade? I'd have to be extremely thirsty to even consider it. Maybe if you told me there was vodka involved...nope, not even then. [[User:Valereee|--valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Donald Trump August,19 2015.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|[[The Yellow Peril]]{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]] |
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{{stack|[[File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-13774, Adolf Hitler.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55|The Yellow Peril ... Oh, sorry, wrong picture ...]]}} |
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*As everyone here knows, I'm close to a free-speech-absolutist in the J.S. Mill tradition (see [[#onliberty|an earlier thread]]). But I'm not doctrinaire. As the great [[O.W. Holmes, Jr.]] put the test so very well: |
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::{{tq|To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence. Only an emergency can justify repression. Such must be the rule if authority is to be reconciled with freedom.<!-- Such, in my opinion, is the command of the Constitution.-->}} |
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:Well, while we're not exactly in the proverbial [[Shouting fire in a crowded theater|crowded theater]] (to invoke a somewhat awkward metaphor for present purposes) we are nonetheless in an emergency very close to the kind Mr. Justice Holmes envisioned, and evil is even now befalling our fellow men{{refn|Yes, yes, and women of course. Men and women. And the non-binary. All [[radix|radices]]. Yes.}} before there "be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies". I'm light-years from counseling repression, but ''self''-restraint in certain things just now will be prudent and humane. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::They may take mah bread, but they'll never take mah tossed salad! --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]] 15:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah! And they'll never stop me from [[tossing the salad]], either! [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 17:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::Indeed. And, even we who are "close to a free-speech-absolutist in the J.S. Mill tradition" (I myself fell in love with Mill upon my first reading of ''On Liberty'' forty years or so ago), know that just because you have the right to say something doesn't of course mean you should. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 16:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC) |
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==A reminder== |
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I provided an exploding ''palindome'' instead. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC) |
I provided an exploding ''palindome'' instead. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 13:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== A kitten for you! == |
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Thank you for fixing my error, performed on a slightly pickled brain. It is much appreciated. |
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[[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) 20:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:No problem. I live to return the deviant to the straight and narrow. I hope you paged through that volume. It's ''fascinating''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::I had a look...yes...it was interesting. I'm glad you liked it too. [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) 21:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== That was a little more abrupt than I intended == |
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I was trying to reply to an email at the same time, and don't multitask well. I assumed our posts just crossed paths in the ether, but it probably didn't sound like that's what I assumed. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 02:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:Fret not, thou art forgiven. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::[[Fretless guitar|Music to my ears]]. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 02:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== My userpage == |
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I might not reply here because your userpage takes 3 days for my computer to load. I was referring to him continuing his category bizarreness and creating the red-linked category you added to my page, and then recreating it after an admin deleted the category. I figured it easier to make it an empty category than try to explain the needlessness of it to someone who doesn't have a clue. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 02:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:I don't understand categories at all. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::That is already evident by this page's categories. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 20:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC) |
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== Rear admiral (lower half) == |
== Rear admiral (lower half) == |
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::::I prefer the rank of [[Specialist_(rank)#Specialist_(1955–present)|full bird private]], myself. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 18:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC) |
::::I prefer the rank of [[Specialist_(rank)#Specialist_(1955–present)|full bird private]], myself. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 18:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I couldn't resist, Private Creffett. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
:::::I couldn't resist, Private Creffett. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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==Season one episode one== |
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Saw the thread on the MOS linking page and immediately thought of [[List of Monty Python's Flying Circus episodes#1. Whither Canada?|Whither Canada?]] though I had forgotten that is was their very first episode. I hope you are well, safe and that you have a pleasant week. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] |
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== Today I learned == |
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(from a miscapitalization of your name in an ANI thread) |
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*... that an [[eeng]] is a Mexican musical instrument, or more likely a typo for the actual name of the instrument |
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*... that an EEnG is an abbreviation for an electroenterogram |
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*... that [[Ryland King|Sprout Up was formerly known as Environmental Education for the Next Generation (EENG)]] |
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*... that there is no English word that ends in or rhymes with "eeng", but Scots has [[:wikt:breenge|breenge]] and [[:wikt:peenge|peenge]] |
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—[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 07:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== In the interest of diffusing conflict... == |
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[[File:Sandy_sex_doll_or_poseable_mannequin.jpeg|thumb|upright=0.6|I'll save you the trouble, Creffett.{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]] |
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it's best not to use [[Special:Diff/948854288|suck puppets]]. (I'm, uh, going to take a pass on finding a suitable image for that pun) [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 18:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== <censored>ular == |
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Not quite worthy of enshrinement under your [[Wikipedia:Principle of Some Astonishment|quaintly astonished principle]], but since you [[User:EEng#Titular characters|don't like "titular"]], and I doubt you're overly fond of In Popular Culture sections, either, let alone [[Garfield (character)|overworn cats]], I believe I've found some kind of crEEngworthy trifecta for you, and I thought of you [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Lasagne&diff=prev&oldid=951209467 while fixing it]. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 21:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::''Those playing along at home who crave background should see [[User:EEng#Titular_characters]]. The article text this Steve Summit character showcases{{snd}}indeed a magnificent specimen{{snd}}is:'' |
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The comic strip ''[[Garfield]]'s'' titular [[Garfield (character)|cat]] character of the same name enjoys the consumption of lasagna. |
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==Avoiding 3RR== |
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Unfortunately the page [[Non-visa travel restrictions]] is transcluded onto scores of articles about the visa regulations of various territories, but a new editor keeps doggedly messing up the section level of its headings. <br>(The editor weirdly insists that [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Non-visa_travel_restrictions&type=revision&diff=951867880&oldid=951790931 all the various sub-sections be subordinate to "Vaccinations"].) |
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I don't wish to keep reverting this editor since it might be construed as edit-warring but the editor hasn't responded to the message I left on his user talk page. |
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'''Is there an efficient way to stop this disruptive editing?''' |
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(I seem to recall noticing a page where the persistent errors of good faith newbies could be brought to the attention of administrators, but I haven't been able to find it again...) |
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Thanks in advance for any useful advice. --[[User:BushelCandle|BushelCandle]] ([[User talk:BushelCandle|talk]]) 12:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Now on my watchlist. However, between you and me and the wall, I don't think it's appropriate for that page to be literally ''transluded'' into other pages. Honestly I've never seen that, and my feeling is it's not appropriate. Seems to me it should be a ''See also''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Non-visa_travel_restrictions&type=revision&diff=951919297&oldid=951867880 your edit], Sir. I will wait with interest to see if there is any response to the comments you made on the editor's user talk page. |
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::Historically this vulnerable page began as a number of different templates to be used as appropriate on a variety of "visa pages" to gain economy and efficiency of editor effort. (It can be quite tedious updating hundreds of country-specific visa articles with identical information when there are changes.) However, when the labour-saving templates were threatened with deletion, it seemed the lesser of 2 evils to accept lstification. As we have seen though, a huge disadvantage of transclusion is that if a newby finds the transcluded page (often they can't) and does silly stuff, it has an immediate effect on many pages. That's why I was rather hoping this page could be given a degree of protection... --[[User:BushelCandle|BushelCandle]] ([[User talk:BushelCandle|talk]]) 17:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I still don't see why transclusion is better than just saying, "Countries commonly impose other restrictions beyond those related to visa. See XXXXX". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Museum of misnomers? == |
== Museum of misnomers? == |
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From [[Library of Congress Living Legend]]: {{tqq|By 2019, without new membership, a majority of the Living Legends had died.}} [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 22:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
From [[Library of Congress Living Legend]]: {{tqq|By 2019, without new membership, a majority of the Living Legends had died.}} [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 22:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Similarly, most of the French Academy's "Immortals" [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/europe/academie-francaise-france-deadlock.html] are dead -- see [[List_of_members_of_the_Académie_française]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== Please don't == |
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:😂 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 14:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::Come on down..... it's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8GK558oaRg Danny's Early Purge Special]!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
::Come on down..... it's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8GK558oaRg Danny's Early Purge Special]!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Precious anniversary == |
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{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Seven}} --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC) |
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And it's my favorite color! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AlexTrevex&type=revision&diff=803863851&oldid=802207918&diffmode=source never mind reincarnation] == |
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What about multiple personality disorder? Should each personality have their own account? Should they share a single account? --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]] 19:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:ROLE]]? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Museum of Best. Username. Ever. == |
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I am proud to present to you (pauses for drum roll) {{u|Poopy42069}}. Sure, Poopy42069 [[Special:Permalink/952964437#Poopy42069|only lasted 15 minutes]], but they [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Poopy42069 made the best of the time that they had]. [[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 03:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:I am disappointed with the repetition of filter 384, but still, that's an impressive hitlist of filters. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 03:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*Please also see [[User_talk:Barney_the_overweight_purple_dinosaur#Blocked|here]]. Regards, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*::Brad, just out of curiosity, what kind of proof of identification would you have accepted for Barney? [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 03:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:I must speak out. {{U|Newyorkbrad}}, I'm astounded by the insensitivity of your blithe assertion that Barney the Dinosaur's {{tq|hands, as shown on television, lack fingers and couldn't type}}. A dinosaur might edit using [[assistive device]]s adapted to dinosaur anatomy, or [[facilitated communication]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*::That's a fair point. I'll unblock. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*: Incredible. [[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 18:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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See also [[User:Radiant!/Classification of admins]]. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:11, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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: I'm conflicted now. What was above made me question my judgement in calling Poopy42069 the best username ever. However, what made me really doubt myself was that [[User:Poopdick69]] was a user. For 51 seconds. <small>I may or may not have [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&prop=&list=logevents&titles=User%3APoopdick69&letitle=User%3APoopdick69 queried the API] to get that number.</small> I still think Poopy42069 tripping so many filters in so little time is impressive, though. --[[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]) 18:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*I don't know what the best username ever was, but the username with the most amusing consequences was undoubtedly [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AHis+Own+Rectum this character] ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 21:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Gotta admire the creativity. See also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj6LnihWpOg]. I wish I could remember who put the idea in my head of {{tooltip|''Osama /bin/login/''|Computer joke}} as a username. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*Speaking of which, [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=Merope&page=User%3AAss&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers this is my current favorite log on wikipedia]. Other contenders for greatest user names include [[User:Wikipooodia]], [[User:MrWeedLol]], [[User:Crackhead26]], [[User:!!POOP!!]], and [[User:!!!!Wikipedia is Girls Aloud free web hosting!!!]] [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🌴]]<sup>[[User talk:Moneytrees|Talk🌲]][[User:Moneytrees/CCI Sort|Help out at CCI!]]</sup> 23:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*::{{u|Iridescent}} would Uranus have been a better choice to not get blocked...or maybe Wrecked Em? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 02:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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My entry for today is [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship&diff=157923932&oldid=157886917 this edit summary], which I wrote about [[User:Newyorkbrad/Newyorkbradblog#One_approach_to_RfA_reform...?|here]]. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== The solemnity of the encyclopedia versus the enjoyment of editing == |
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I'm trying to help out a fellow editor, and I think the creativity of your followers could be of use [[User_talk:Leo1pard#More_versus_articles_for_you_to_consider|here]]. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 23:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::You're an awful person. Please drop by more often. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Natureium}}, you got it wrong. These are not comparison articles, and if you think they are and try to move them or make them a comparison, you will be yelled at. These are explicitly articles of original research and synthesis on who would win in a fight. Since coke, pepsi, common law, and civil law cannot fight, they should not have articles about this. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::TB, I'm trying to decide whether you're serious or going Natureium one better. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:50, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I'm being dead serious. See [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Tiger_versus_lion&oldid=391233815 the mission of the original creator] which has been fervently followed for the last decade. It should have been deleted many times but it's an ARS member's pet article so it isn't. But don't take my word for it just ask one of the regulars in the last RM {{tq|"Lion vs Tiger" or "Tiger vs Lion" is basically overall a hypothetical match between the two animals and who would essentially win, and is an iconic name for the debate.}} ([https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tiger_versus_lion&diff=908637055&oldid=908549411 diff]).{{pb}}I've long held it is the worst article on Wikipedia and should be deleted, but until it eventually is it is useful for amusement. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:56, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: EEng's "titanic versus iceberg" definitely fits the 'who would win a fight' criteria. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 00:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, I think it's the clearest winner for the next article of this class. There likely is ample sourcing so a true original research synthesis of who would win a hypothetical rematch between the Titanic and the iceberg under different conditions would be possible, and that's a defining characteristic of our animal fight articles. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 00:46, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::What we really need here is a bracket of some sort. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 00:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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{{32TeamBracket |
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| RD1-team01=Tiger |
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| RD1-team02=Lion |
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| RD1-team03=Alligator |
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| RD1-team04=Crocodile |
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| RD1-team05=Coke |
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| RD1-team06=Pepsi |
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| RD1-team07=Brock Lesnar (sub. for Tiger Shark) |
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| RD1-team08=Great white shark |
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| RD1-team09=New Hampshire |
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| RD1-team10=Vermont |
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| RD1-team11=Wolverine |
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| RD1-team12=Tasmanian Devil |
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| RD1-team13=Common law |
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| RD1-team14=Civil law |
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| RD1-team15=Coronavirus |
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| RD1-team16=Flu |
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| RD1-team17=Bear |
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| RD1-team18=Shark |
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| RD1-team19=100 duck-sized horses |
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| RD1-team20=1 horse-sized duck |
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| RD1-team21=Wikimedia Foundation |
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| RD1-team22=Arbitration Committee |
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| RD1-team23=Leopard |
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| RD1-team24=User:Leo1pard |
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| RD1-team25=Vice |
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| RD1-team26=Versa |
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| RD1-team27=Laurel |
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| RD1-team28=Hardy |
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| RD1-team29=Titanic |
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| RD1-team30=Iceberg |
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| RD1-team31=[[History_and_traditions_of_Harvard_commencements#Sheriffs|Indians]] |
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| RD1-team32=[[History_and_traditions_of_Harvard_commencements#Sheriffs|Scholars]] |
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| RD2-team01= Tiger |
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| RD2-team02= Alligator snapping turtle |
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| RD2-team03= Coke |
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| RD2-team04= Lesnar |
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| RD2-team05= New Hampshire |
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| RD2-team06= Wolverine |
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| RD2-team07= Common law |
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| RD2-team08= Coronavirus |
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| RD2-team09= Cher |
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| RD2-team10= 100 duck-sized horses |
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| RD2-team11= Drahma |
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| RD2-team12= Leopard |
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| RD2-team13= Vice |
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| RD2-team14= Yanny |
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| RD2-team15= Iceberg |
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| RD2-team16= BYE |
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| RD3-team01= Tiger (still bleeding) |
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| RD3-team02= Cocaine |
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| RD3-team03= Wolverine |
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| RD3-team04= Common law |
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| RD3-team05= 100 duck-sized horses |
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| RD3-team06= Dramha |
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| RD3-team07= Vice |
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| RD3-team08= Iceberg |
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| RD4-team01= Tiger feeling no pain |
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| RD4-team02= Lawfully possessed wolverine |
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| RD4-team03= Dramha |
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| RD4-team04= Iceberg |
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| RD5-team01= [[Carole Baskin]] |
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| RD5-team02= Iceberg |
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| RD6-team01= Iceberg |
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}} |
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:::::::I'm pretty sure Leopard will advance to the next round, not sure who they'll be facing. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 03:10, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::: I think we can also fill in Titanic versus Iceberg and Vermont versus New Hampshire based on history. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I've decided Iceberg wins. You all figure out how it gets there. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::: I was really expecting a coronavirus victory here. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 23:37, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::And it was expecting a cartoonishly hot lady virus in the boiler room, but dynamite happens (also, Taz is dead, sorry). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 23:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::It seems the coronavirus is resistant to exploding limousine after all, but that rabid wolverine on the horizon is a whole other level of hardcore, I wish it the best in its future endeavours (a real shame about that poor leopard, though). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::: You guys left out [https://slashdot.org/story/04/10/20/1518217/neal-stephenson-responds-with-wit-and-humor Neal Stephenson versus William Gibson]. Also [https://xkcd.com/1529/ xkcd]. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 21:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::xkcd is varsity and everything I do is junior varsity. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 02:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::New Hampshire [[Vermont v. New Hampshire|won]] in the last round but it won't happen again. [[User:Vermont|Vermont]] ([[User talk:Vermont|talk]]) 23:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*See also [[Talk:List_of_Star_Trek_films_and_television_series#Titular_space_stations]]. Let's really milk this one. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*I don't know what's going on here or why, but I took the liberty of assaulting the coronavirus backstage, so flu advances by countout. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 23:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*Is there some way to augment the bracketing to show the winner of the finals going on to a special bout against the reigning chamption, Donald Trump? I think ''Iceberg v. Trump'' or ''Civil law v. Trump'' have a lot of revenue potential, pay-per-view{{ndash}}wise. (Note proper use of hyphens and endash.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::This just in: Brock Lesnar has officially assaulted the tiger shark backstage, officially entering the now-official [[King of the Ring tournament|King of the Ring]]-style tournament! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 00:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Careful, we don't need to add GS/Pro Wrestling to the list of things this page should be sanctioned for. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 01:16, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I was careful, I chose the one wrestler general audiences could see legit knocking out that great white hopeful, EEng's buyrate will thank me later, trust me. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:You're going to need a tech person for that. Also I noticed no one has dared to declare a winner between WMF and ArbCom. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 00:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Given the various ethical dilemmas in the Indo-Scholastic War, the cost of airtime and the knowledge that icy wet doom is predetermined for all, they signed a formal suicide treaty and committed mutually assured destruction (because [[Melisandre|death by fire is the purest death of all]]). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 13:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:In the same spirit of grim resignation and plot expediency, I put the 99% over the 1%. Regardless of our valid first-round feelings, everyone knows horseducks AND duckhorses do the job for bearsharks OR sharkbears. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 13:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*Due to neither the bear nor shark willing to enter the shoreline to contest each other, [[Cher]] advances to represent their amalgamation, despite protests of [[Bark]]. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 01:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*Wolverine v. Common law is a tough one to call. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 22:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Presuming we're still hosted in Florida, the wolverine is considered a Class II wildman, so just needs a simple permit to publicly perform. The permit requirements are unfairly complicated, so we can (probably) waive, skirt or ignore them. The thing to know is tigers are flat '''prohibited''' in the Wang State, ''especially'' those who just tore through enough cocaine to disincarnate Brock Lesnar, so if Common Law Jones somehow nullifies or voids the naturally-psychotic cuddlebunny, it's a cakewalk to the iceberg; nobody is going to pay to watch ''Law v. Ice'', the tiger or wolverine must survive or we're ''all'' sunk. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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===Lightning Round Activated!=== |
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[[File:Drill004cropped.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1|This is not a drill.]] |
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[[File:Cast-iron plumbing pipe.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|This is not a pipe.]] |
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This is not a drill, this is it, the ultimate semifinal, the penultimate finale, the brawl to end most-if-not-''all!'' In other words, I'm still unsure of why these things started fighting, but will nonetheless continue to take liberties until given (someone else's imaginary) death. So it's an RfC, see, whose icy hand will it be, raised to sink under the sea, giving a thumbs-up to ye, tryin' to holla at me, yadda-yadda gee, '''hurry up and vote!''' [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 09:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Donald Trump official portrait.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|center|And this not a President. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)]] |
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... and for all you fellow morons, oxy or otherwise... [https://commaand.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/dutxsgwx0aijgn5.jpg]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:... looking forward to [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/eric-trump-coronavirus-fox-news?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeednews&ref=bffbbuzzfeednews&fbclid=IwAR2YCxU8RJGbEkukLsSaJguQIUW2KowyeifB9ZNxor14Kgz6cDm27e9G4eM November 3]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::And in case you missed it.... that essential Presidential [[El Presidente (cocktail)|"Coronorinha Cocktail"]] recipe in full: |
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:::*4 shots [[Hydroxychloroquine|tonic]] |
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:::*2 shots [[Clorox|Black Russian]] |
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:::*2 snorts [[Nudge Nudge|cough, cough, wink, wink]] |
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:::*1 shot [[Tequila Slammer|Confederate flag]] |
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:::*A touch of [[Painkiller (cocktail)|paracetamol]] |
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:::*Shaft of [[Cuban Sunset|sunlight]] (orifices permitting) |
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::Enjoy!! .... [[Death in the Afternoon (cocktail)|while you still can]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Don't forget the splash of hydroxychloroquine. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 15:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::And the next thing I remember, I'm waking up on an iceberg next to a strange frozen woman, wondering where my wolverine went. Whooo democracy! Anybody got any coke left? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== For the museum == |
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No disrespect meant to a nice guy but English is not his first language and I think [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=953104600&oldid=953097933 this] comment may deserve some consideration for the hallowed halls of your Museum - I shouldn't laugh but I did... [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 02:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Is there any discussion thread with no [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNP7uQQT-oo#t=2m16s apropos Monty Python excerpt]? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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Another museum candidate of some sort: [[Special:AbuseLog/26583009]]'s edit summary, {{tq|THIS PAGE SHOULD BE IN ENGLISH. IF YOU REVERT THIS BACK PLEASE REVERT EVERY PAGE ON WIKIPEDIA TO TAKE ENGLISH INTO NON-AMERICAN LANGUAGES. WHAT THE FUCK IS SO HARD ABOUT THIS? ENGLISH SHOULD BE IN ENGLISH}}. A fine vintage with an all-caps body, notes of troll, and a pleasant tautological finish, though if the IP wants to change Wikipedia back to an American language like Cherokee, I'm good with that. Another entertaining filter hit from the same user is [[Special:AbuseLog/26583067]], helpfully pointing out that the Italians sided with the Nazis...on a page about bruschetta. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 00:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well, good, people need to be warned about such fascist appetizers. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 06:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Personal attacks == |
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::::::::A long time ago I had a colleague from Ukraine. His English was very good but nonetheless there was room for improvement. We both enjoyed movies so we used to see one together now and then. One night we came out of the cinema and he pointed to the sky: "Look! There is the Mars!" So I chuckled and explained that, for whatever reason, in English the earth is "the earth" and the moon is "the moon", but Mars is just "Mars" and Venus is just "Venus" and so on. He said, "I see. Well, it's just one more of the nuisances of English." One step, two steps later, something began to nag at the back of my mind. With each additional step the nagging got stronger. Six, seven, eight paces. ''Nuisances ... nuisances ... nuisances.'' A few more steps and it hit me. "Wait ... you mean ''nuances???''" He said: "Yes, yes. That's what I meant. Nuances." That was the most delicious moment. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
::::::::A long time ago I had a colleague from Ukraine. His English was very good but nonetheless there was room for improvement. We both enjoyed movies so we used to see one together now and then. One night we came out of the cinema and he pointed to the sky: "Look! There is the Mars!" So I chuckled and explained that, for whatever reason, in English the earth is "the earth" and the moon is "the moon", but Mars is just "Mars" and Venus is just "Venus" and so on. He said, "I see. Well, it's just one more of the nuisances of English." One step, two steps later, something began to nag at the back of my mind. With each additional step the nagging got stronger. Six, seven, eight paces. ''Nuisances ... nuisances ... nuisances.'' A few more steps and it hit me. "Wait ... you mean ''nuances???''" He said: "Yes, yes. That's what I meant. Nuances." That was the most delicious moment. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*For those playing along at home, this goes back to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/?oldid=413103170#File:Ruby_shoots_Oswald.jpg]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
*For those playing along at home, this goes back to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/?oldid=413103170#File:Ruby_shoots_Oswald.jpg]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Harvard deserves to have a Controversy heading == |
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Harvard does not deserve to be exempt from a Controversy heading. The small snippet in History mentions that he tried something, and doesn't show that an actual policy was passed when he Lowell was serving that dramatically impacted Jewish admittance rates. It would be a disservice to the victims of the past as well as a missed opportunity to document the past. If not ethically, then it should have a Controversy header for the principal of fairness since most universities have a Controversy header. [[User:Ocarwa|Ocarwa]] ([[User talk:Ocarwa|talk]]) 02:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}} {{u|Ocarwa}}, before addressing the content dispute, I'd ask that you take a moment to explain why there appear to be two of you (Ocawa and Ocarwa) - if they're both accounts that you operate, you ''need to disclose that''. Operating more than one account without acknowledging it is almost always considered [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppetry]]. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 02:36, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::When I first made these accounts I wanted one to create an account with the fewest amount of characters and matches other accounts. Found out that this current one is I've edited the same pages before 4 years ago, so I'm not hiding my account. One is logged into my phone and the other my desktop. To add, they only differ by one character so I wouldn't consider that any attempt to impersonate two people. I'll delete the other account right now if that seems weird in wiki-culture. [[User:Ocawa|Ocawa]] ([[User talk:Ocawa|talk]]) 03:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Ocarwa}}, {{u|Ocawa}}: As [[WP:CRIT]] advises so well, {{tq|A section dedicated to negative material is sometimes appropriate, ''if the sources treat the negative material as an organic whole, and if readers would be better served by seeing all the negative material in one location''}}. A 400-year-old institution has seen plenty of controversies, which cannot possibly all be treated in any detail in the main article. Restrictions on Jewish admissions are already mentioned, and a full article on the subject (or possibly the broader subject of the history of Harvard admissions overall) would be great. But there's no way the main article can give anything but a mention to Harvard's profits from slavery and admission of blacks and admission of Jews and admission of Asians and admission of legacies and admission of rich kids and admission of poor kids and [https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674088085 napalm] and nuclear weapons and McCarthyism and Sacco & Vanzetti and ROTC and Vietnam and academic freedom and [[Gina Grant]] and the [[Secret Court of 1920]] and the Salem Witch Trials and [[Theda Skocpol]] and [[Lawrence Summers]] and the sheltering of regicides and the [[Charity of Edward Hopkins]] and the [[Peter Gomes|gay Plummer Professor of Christian Morals]] and the Allston land grab and [[Disinvestment_from_South_Africa#Harvard_University|South Africa divestment]] and [[Fossil_fuel_divestment#Divest_Harvard|fossil fuel divestment]] and unionization and [[Sacred_Cod#Harvard_Lampoon|theft of the Sacred Cod]] and the all-male social clubs and the [[2012_Harvard_cheating_scandal|Gov 1310 cheating scandal]] and [[Increase Mather]] being a crusty old fart. And those are just a few off the top of my head. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:25, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the response Eeng! You do make some fair points. I do believe that university page readers would greatly benefit from a concentrated place to view material that otherwise would be hidden from the website's official website since that's usually a sales pitch. Could making my own page with the material and listing it as a link under a new Controversies header be a good compromise? The University of California page has a Controversy page and that encompasses like 7 Universities. I think it's only fair and for the good of the people to have Wikipedia conglomerate information otherwise hidden by these influential institutions. [[User:Ocawa|Ocawa]] ([[User talk:Ocawa|talk]]) 15:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::[[University_of_California#Criticism_and_controversies]] is a mishmash of random junk e.g. |
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::::{{Tq|Besides substantial six-figure incomes, the UC President and all UC chancellors enjoy controversial perks such as free housing in the form of university-maintained mansions. In 1962, Anson Blake's will donated his 10-acre (40,000 m2) estate (Blake Garden) and mansion (Blake House) in Kensington to the University of California's Department of Landscape Architecture. In 1968, the Regents decided to make Blake House the official residence of the UC President. As of 2005, it cost around $300,000 per year to maintain Blake Garden and Blake House; the latter, built in 1926, is a 13,239-square-foot (1,229.9 m2) mansion with a view of San Francisco Bay. All UC chancellors traditionally live for free in a mansion on or near campus that is usually known as University House, where they host social functions attended by guests and donors. UC San Diego's University House was closed from 2004 to 2014 for $10.5 million in renovations paid for by private donors, which were so expensive because the 12,000-square-foot structure sits on top of a sacred Native American cemetery and next to an unstable coastal bluff.}} |
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:::How is that a criticism or controversy? Lots of schools have grand president's/dean's/chancellor's residences that are now white elephants. I myself grew up in a house with a {{tq|view of San Francisco Bay}} -- is the president of the UC system not entitled to the same after a long day at the office dealing with [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/01/parking/ "sex for the students, athletics for the alumni, and parking for the faculty"]? What is the reader supposed to conclude from such uncontextualized stuff? You've given a great example of exactly why such sections shouldn't exist. Real stuff that matters should be woven into the article. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::The UC link is also suffering from a severe case of [[WP:RECENTISM]]. Where is the [[Levering Act]], for instance? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC) |
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Those are valid suggestions for the UC page, but it still stands that the Harvard page lacks Controversies. It was not my point that we make the Harvard page into the UC page, only that we add a Controversies header to fairly document major things that otherwise wouldn't be popularly known. If criticism doesn't belong on the page then, a header with links to the Controversies should be established. Either case is better than not including notable mishaps. I agree that the Levering Act should be linked in the UC page as well. If it's of significance, then it should be written about either on the page or in its own page and linked in the main one. |
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Putting this stuff in the See Also wouldn't be that great either. Imagine the average person's perspective; if they think of an institution they are likely to conjure mainstream media advertisement and reportings done on the subject. Our job as contributors is to not only show the mainstream definition, but also information that is less known. Perhaps we should seek opinion of other authors not affiliated with us if there is no agreement or compromise made. [[User:Ocawa|Ocawa]] ([[User talk:Ocawa|talk]]) 02:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:I've said why articles, in general, shouldn't have ''Controversies'' sections. I didn't say that {{tq|criticism doesn't belong on the page}}, just that the place for it is to be mentioned, at an appropriate level of detail (i.e. usually not much) in the normal course of presenting the subject; the article's job isn't to be a compensating counterbalance to a school's own self-presentation, but simply to make its own balanced presentation, period. Please open a discussion on the article's talk page if you want to pursue this further. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== Citation needed at Widener Library == |
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"and in the early 1980s library officials "pushed the panic button"[80] again, leading to the construction of the Harvard Depository.)[citation needed]" |
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Do you have a source for the information? I cannot find a source for this. The material has been flagged for over a year. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.122.217.93|209.122.217.93]] ([[User talk:209.122.217.93#top|talk]]) 22:30, 28 April 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You didn't look very hard. [https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/09/where-books-and-more-go-to-wait/] Just out of curiosity, what's your preoccupation with this obviously correct, uncontentious statement? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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==Deferred to your deference== |
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How dare thee — I'm a great spellcasterr! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:(Re [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=953816189]...) I was thinking maybe an admin who hands out indefinite blocks is an ''indeffer''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:49, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::So would deffer then be a back-formation for an admin who hands out definite blocks? [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 15:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:::''/Indeffs self.'' [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:54, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*I believe that a "deffer" is a slang term for someone who writes definitions for a dictionary. By extension, the verb "deffer" means to define something. A deffer who plays golf is known as a "deffer duffer", and one who looks good doing so is a "deffer duffer dandy". Those who are amusing are "daffy deffer duffer dandies". There was one who was so good, he was known as the "Deadly Daffy Deffer Duffer Dandy" by his opponents. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 17:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:I beg to differ. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 17:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:But was he dapper? [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 02:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jim-dandy That would be Jim-Dandy!] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]] 04:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Sorry, mister, we was only foolin' around. We ain't got no playground or ballfield or nuttin'. Can't you help us mister? Please buy some candy! [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 21:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*::The terms of my parole don't allow that. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Horn_(instrument).jpg|thumb|upright=.5|Horn. Not sure why this would ever be used in concert with a shoe, unless you're a clown... [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''CaptainEek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]]]] |
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Regarding [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Phineas_Gage&curid=386986&diff=957785332&oldid=957009554 shoehorning], if you really want to shoehorn images in without making the page an unreadable mess of randomly placed images and big swathes of whitespace for anyone using a wide monitor or a small font size, the little-used {{tl|tall image}} template is your friend, which makes big images into independently-scrollable entities within their own little boxes. (See the map at [[Brill Tramway#Metropolitan Railway takeover]] for an example of it in action.) ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 15:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:The entire website looks like shit on a wide monitor or in small font size. You'd think 100 million dollars would be enough to figure out how to use a centered div. FWIW, any and all time spent either adjusting layout on a Wikipedia article to "look good", or arguing about what "looks good", is entirely and completely wasted, because whatever adjustments are made to make it "look good" will look completely different to another person using a different device, screen, resolution, operating system, browser, skin, font, or font size, among other variables. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 16:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Totes, dude. We should put our efforts into making it look [[Bad (Michael Jackson song)|baaad]]. It will make it [[Ugly Betty|more endearing]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{ec}} Sure, but there are some obvious things that are universal truths in web design, and "if you [[special:permanentLink/957785332|stack a lot of tall narrow images]], you're either going to end up with images appearing in the wrong section, or you're going to have to insert a division break which means the images will trail off into a mass of white space" is about as close to a fundamental law as it gets. It's particularly so in the case of Wikipedia, since (a) there's very vocal opposition to a maximum column width for body text so that's unlikely ever to happen, (b) we need to cater for readers on all sizes of display, from 4-inch first generation smartphones to 5120px-width professional DTP setups, and (c) we periodically increase the default value for upright=1 and we haven't done so for a while so are likely to do so again fairly soon. (At the time of writing, [[Phineas Gage]] averages [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=wiki.riteme.site&platform=mobile-web&agent=user&redirects=1&range=this-year&pages=Phineas_Gage 1214 views-per-day on the mobile site] and only [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=wiki.riteme.site&platform=desktop&agent=user&redirects=1&range=this-year&pages=Phineas_Gage 879 views-per-day on the desktop site]. Try opening it on your phone and tell me if {{em|you}} think the way the images currently render makes it unreadable.) ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Heavy duty long stainless steel shoehorn and ISO 203452004 compliant S3 safety shoe and boot.jpg|thumb|120px|A heavy duty shoehorn used by [[User:Martinevans123]] to get jokes into respectable workaday [[These Boots Were Made for Stalking|Talk page threads]]]] |
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:::Well, but your universal truth only holds if you preface it with "For some sufficiently wide window size, ...". It's not possible, with the tools we have, to make articles look good at all window widths, so choices have to be made. Which image(s) do you think should use {tall image}? And why should the great majority of readers, who use reasonable window widths, see that/those image(s) through a peephole so that owners of giant screens will be spared the annoyance of some vertical whitespace? There's a perfectly adequate solution for them anyway, which is to open the article in a window of reasonable width, and use the rest of their beautiful huge screen for your email and so on.{{pb}}Re phones, on my iPhone 7 + Chrome the article looks just fine in both mobile format and desktop format. If your're talking about [[WP:SANDWICH]], in desktop format there are about 40 lines (out of about 1000 lines total in the article) that are squeezed between an img on the left and one on the right, but those are in small runs of 5-10 lines at a time so it's not particularly unattractive. That's with thumb default (upright=1) set to 220px. At thumb size 300px, because of the complicated way stuff shifts around when img widths change, the amount of squeezed text drops to just 2 runs of 10, so it's actually better. These discussions are always complicated by the variety of platforms the discussants are using, but for the moment I really don't know what you mean about problems on phones.{{pb}}Meanwhile, I ''think'' I know what you mean by {{tq|a maximum column width for body text}} but can you clarify? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::P.S. I meant to mention that I recognize that the article is approaching the image density at which it risks collapsing in on itself like a neutron star, but I couldn't resist tempting fate by adding one more. (Forgot to ping [[User:Iridescent|Arid Desiccant]].) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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{{multiple image|direction=vertical|width=200px|image1=Gage screenshot 5.jpg|image5=Gage screenshot 4.jpg|image4=Gage screenshot 3.jpg|image3=Gage screenshot 2.jpg|image2=Gage screenshot 1.jpg}} |
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::::See right—these are all screenshots in the WMF default mobile view (i.e., what someone who isn't a Wikipedia editor and consequently doesn't have any display preferences set will see if they google "Phineas Gage" on their phone). The combination of multiple objects at differing forced widths and the quirks of the Minerva skin which we force on non-logged-in editors (who constitute 99.9% of our readership) is both creating display goofiness such as single-word or even single-character columns where the software gets confused trying to wrap text, and big chunks of whitespace with objects floating detached. Because editors are almost always working in the desktop editor in either the Vector or Monobook skins, we sometimes lose sight of the fact that the majority of pageviews are in the godawful Minerva skin on phones—these screenshots represent what the article looks like to more than half its readers. |
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::::By "maximum column width for body text" I mean the perennial proposal to limit the desktop display to a maximum width with the rest of wide screens filled with white space or optional sidebars—as almost every other "primarily text-based but with some images" website in the world does—so situations like [[:Image:Gage screenshot 6.png]] don't arise on wide monitors, . The WMF have been trying (correctly) to impose this particular change since some point around the Dawn of Time, but it's always shouted down by the "waaah, this would be a change and change is always bad, and even if it's a good change the fact that the WMF is imposing it is a violation of our rights and must be resisted at all costs" contingent. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 08:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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[[Image:Alphorn player in Wallis.jpg|thumb|left|upright=.65|Not to be confused with an Alphorn. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]]]]{{outdent}} In pre-phone days, I ran into this sort of problem with my personal website. Even then different monitors should have this sort of problem. Fixed it by setting a max screen width |
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recommended in the literature. So, yeah. What concept. Glad to see I and WMF can agree on something. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep </span><span style="color:red">fried </span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Deepfriedokra]] 09:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:Can't y'all just turn your phones [[Sideways (comics)|sideways]]? Duh??! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Turning the phone sideways [[:File:Gage screenshot 7.jpg|makes the formatting equally goofy]], albeit in different ways, as the software tries to wrap the text around different entities at differing sizes. It's hard to overstate just how much of a botch-job Minerva is. (It's not really the developers' fault—in 2007 when the iPhone was launched Wikipedia already had millions of articles, all of which had been written on the assumption that nobody would ever see them in any format other than on desktop monitors or as printouts, and the developers were forced to come up with something that would display them on tiny screens without either rendering the page totally unreadable, or crashing Apple and Samsung's shitty proprietary browsers completely.) ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 14:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::<small>Can I have my [[Nokia 3410]] back, please? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC) </small> |
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::::<small>[https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb/nokia-3310 Nothing's stopping you, they still make 'em] ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 15:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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:::The file description for that latest screenshot says mobile view, but in fact it's desktop view (on a phone), correct? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Nope, that's mobile view with the phone turned sideways (you can tell when you're in mobile view, as desktop view has the space to the left beneath the sidebar). In the desktop view in Vector (the default which a mobile user will get if they google "Phineas Gage" and then select "show desktop site") the page displays more-or-less as it should—[[:file:Gage screenshot 8.jpg|this is the same section in in Desktop view with every other setting left unchanged]]. Unfortunately there's no way for a reader on a mobile device to set desktop view as the Wikipedia default—the next time you open your browser Wikipedia will revert to Minerva—so one has to work on the assumption that every reader who visits a page on a mobile device, will be served with the mobile site. The pageview figures back that up—you can check for yourself in the pageviews tab in history to see that each day about 1200 readers get the page in Minerva, and only about 800 in one of the desktop views. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)) |
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OK. I'm very interested in fixing any issues that manifest on particular platforms, but please stop saying that X is what half of readers see and so on. It's not. On my phone (iPhone 7 + Chrome, as noted, but actually I've checked several others' iPhones -- different models and various browsers) none of these things you're exhibiting are present. It looks like you've got an Android, and that Android (or some version of Android, or some version of Android with some browser or browsers) is particularly brain dead on some aspects of web page rendering. I mean, look at your first screenshot above ([[:File:Gage_screenshot_5.jpg]], ''Theoretical misuse'') -- how stupid does a browser have to be to run a word down the margin one letter at a time? I notice all your screenshots involve quote boxes, so it seems there's something about quote boxes (as opposed to other floating content e.g. images) that interacts badly with Android. Whether that's the fault of the quote box coding, or of Android, I don't know.{{pb}}With some fiddling on window width, however, I was able get to get the mobile view to display on my laptop in something like what I see in your [[:File:Gage screenshot 7.jpg]]. Based on what I saw in that rendering, I made a number of.. shall we say.. heroic formatting changes which may perhaps relieve some of the issues you're seeing (in landscape, at least -- if things are OK in landscape I'm really not worried about portrait). I'd really appreciate your letting me know. I'm very interested in this but unfortunately none of my neighbors has with an Android. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:<small>Tried that nice [[Rutger Hauer|Hauer]] family over at [[Blade Runner 2049|No 2049]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC) </small> |
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*An editor who knows I have a Google Pixel 3a asked me to take a look at the page for Phineas Gage. As of right now, the page looks OK on my Android until I scroll down to the heading "Chile and Californa (1852-1860) whereupon it looks like some of the ugly pictures in the margin of this talk page. (I took a screenshot, but don't want to deal with the wikipedia red tape to upload it here.) I didn't check for more display weirdness beyond that heading. |
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:: Thanks. Was that landscape or portrait? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Ping {{U|Kobnach}}. Oh, and does it always somehow involve a quote box, as seems the case in all of Iridescent's screenshots seen in this section? Or does it also happy with images when there's no quote box involved? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::On a skim-through, in mobile view on the stock Chrome browser (the view seen by most mobile views, given Android's dominance of the smartphone market in English-speaking countries and the general reluctance of most people to use anything other than the stock apps; [[Usage share of web browsers#Summary tables|70% of desktop views and 60% of mobile views]] is the usual accepted figure for Chrome): |
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:::*The word-wrapping problems seem confined to quote boxes (I imagine because the browser handles them differently). It's happening with both left-aligned (e.g. the "Chile and California" section) and right-aligned (e.g. "Theoretical misuse"). |
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:::*Turning the phone sideways so it's in landscape mode solves the "wrapping around quote boxes" issues, but causes a different issue with inline quotations using the {{tl|quote}} template when it's used near images. Because text in the quote template doesn't wrap but is instead constrained in an invisible rectangle defined by other nearby objects, [[:File:Gage screenshot 9.jpg|the quotations display as a long narrow strip]]. This doesn't make the page unreadable, just unsightly, so I wouldn't consider it a major issue, but it's something to be aware of. |
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:::*While it doesn't cause problems with wrapping, because mobile view generally defaults to showing images centered rather than alongside the text, it makes the display a bit weird, particularly in sections like "life" which include a lot of tall thin images; it to the reader it looks like a long parade of centered images surrounded by whitespace, interspersed with the occasional paragraph of text. (Which brings us back to where I came in; MediaWiki, in both desktop and mobile view, does not like tall thin images). |
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:::Because the majority of readers are seeing Shitty Mobile View rather than the desktop site, making the mobile view less unpleasant for readers is something the WMF do take seriously. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)]] (and possibly [[User:Isarra]]) are {{em|much}} better placed than me to talk about what's actually being done to try to address the problems with SMV; I have no input at all into its design and my interaction with it is limited to variations on "if you make a significant change to the layout check it looks OK on the mobile site otherwise you'll have an endless stream of good-faith IPs trying to fix what appears to them as an error". ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 08:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Well to repeat again, I use Chrome as well but see none of the problems you're getting, probably because I'm in iPhone instead of Android. I'd be thrilled for the article to be used as a vehicle for either improving the way pages are rendered to the browser (including, as with e.g. quote boxes, fixing whatever it is about the way they're coded that causes such phenomena), or for developing recommendations for ways to code pages to avoid or ameliorate these problems, but beyond that I don't know what else I can do. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::About 40% of page views are on the desktop site. Everything else is either mobile web (~57%, and up during the last few months) or the apps (a couple of percentage points). Because mobile users have a lower number of pages-per-session, that's probably more than 60% of readers. |
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:::::AFAICT the design team is mostly working on [[mw:Desktop improvements]] at the moment, and will pick up general mobile work again later. My bet is that they'll want to settle the transition away from OOUI first. (Anything you see about Vue.js is related to that. OOUI is the thing that brought us the Big Blue Button and "oversized" (fingertip-sized) tick boxes. Vue.js will not take those away.) |
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:::::The big things are already pretty well known, and they're not things that can be fixed in software. There is no good way to display a 10-column table on a screen that is smaller than a dollar bill/pound note, and the best solution to their display is to [[Coronavirus disease 2019#Prognosis|not put a bunch of wide tables in articles]]. {{tl|Episode list}} is on thousands of pages, and will always be hard to read on a smartphone. Fixing that requires redesigning the template, which requires editors who are willing to develop a consensus in favor of legibility and accessibility instead of the way we've always done it. It probably wouldn't be hard to redesign it as a vertical list, but getting the change implemented would require a lot of effort. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 01:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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: WAID is more or less correct (though I might dispute particulars). |
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: We've had some of the technologies ([[WP:TemplateStyles]], and generically [[MediaWiki:Common.css|our sitewide skinning systems]]) that would correct the images above for some time. Offending templates probably need someone to show up on the associated talk pages and make a reasonable 'complaint' as to the offensiveness of their display (for example, {{tl|quote box}} could be 100% width for displays less than 500 px). For things like {{tag|blockquote|o}}, a task on Phab or adding a rule for a clear above the tag to [[MediaWiki:Mobile.css]]/[[MediaWiki:Minerva.css]] would be preferable and can be discussed at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]] or at [[WP:VPT]] or on Phabricator. (Aside: Please engage on Phabricator.) |
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: There maybe needs to be a little give and take on some aspects. Should we allow all users to specify a width in all template invocations these days? I'm not sure. I want it "just so" on my display doesn't work for some things like width below a certain resolution, so allowing someone to set width in the template? (Because the alternative is to use !important in the TemplateStyles CSS, and that kills all personal customization you might want in your personal CSS at that point stone-dead due to the order in which MediaWiki adds styling to its output HTML.) There's also some give and take about what browsers can support. For example, I made a change today to a template to add CSS that is only supported for 95% of readers. Should I be responsible for the other 5% having the exact-same display and a beautiful page? I don't know. (I do know that Edkoter prior to his flameout cared about the 99.99% or something dumb like that.) Consider for example what happened when we attempted to fix this exact problem on the main page in February([[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_198#Main_Page_January_2020_technical_update|1]]) or an earlier attempt in 2018([//wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yair_rand&oldid=957920799#TemplateStyles_for_main_page 2]). |
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: One thing you can do to find where the messes are more easily is just to use a skin that isn't Vector or Monobook on all platforms you use Wikipedia on, which I think leaves Minerva and Timeless (and Modern but we don't talk about that one anyway). (These skins were not designed to be responsive. When patches were provided recently to make them so, at least one community member objected saying that it would be disruptive, essentially killing that effort.) |
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: Sorry if this Izno beautiful prose. If there's a specific change you want to a template, please feel free to ping me or another of our HTML/CSS/Lua-minded admins or template editors to a template talk page and I can see if I can hack it. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::I appreciate the time you took to respond but -- no doubt because of my complete ignorance of all this newfangled interweb stuff -- I'm puzzled by some of what you're saying. Since the vast majority of readers are not logged in, how can the choice of skins come into it? What am I missing?{{pb}}And I simply don't understand why fixing the awful formatting near quote boxes is hard. Why can't they be made to behave exactly like images, which don't manifest these problems? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I assert(ed) positively, if not clearly, that I think quote boxes can be fixed, but that it just requires some attention to the template in question. (And some discussion about how the template should act at which resolutions, and some discussion about whether users should get to be arbitrary in how they use the templates on specific pages, among concerns of usability for savvy-CSS users.) |
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:::Digression: In case it wasn't clear earlier, the reason we couldn't make these fixes before TemplateStyles (which are reasonably new but not really now) is that we did not have access to CSS media queries at a per-template level, so the best we could do was make templates as responsive as possible with inline CSS, or put CSS into the site stylesheets. (The latter is just a bad option for templates which are not widely used enough to accept the associated performance penalties.) For example, with quote box, with inline CSS you can either choose to make it 100% width always or you can make it 100px always, but not both varying on some other factor. Another issue plaguing all web developers is that [[Internet Explorer 6|web browsers have not advanced at the same rate]], and even with consistent feature sets do not have a standardized implementation (only the API defined by the CSS specifications), as evidenced by the fact you can't see the problems above with iPhone and Chrome. |
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:::{{tq|how can the choice of skins come into it}} Well, the 60% on mobile see Minerva, so there is an obvious ''pro'' there for using that skin in that you-as-an-editor will [probably] see such issues directly and can know to fix them or alert others. (Of course, Minerva has some harsh ''con''s for editors.) The 40% on desktop see Vector, but if you're on desktop you're probably going to miss these issues because your screen has the resolution for it. You-as-an-editor can choose to use those skins on the other form factor and then you might get a sense of how we haven't adjusted to the mobile world (and should have, it's just the same Not Enough [Knowing] Volunteers problem at the end of the day). I happen to use Timeless, so I bump into broken stuff regularly and just haven't self-motivated to fix it since I know it's not used by the masses. Infoboxes for example will sometimes show the highlighted issues on Timeless, as will quote boxes and some images and sidebars (but not on Minerva, where the skin takes care of it [and probably shouldn't--separation of concerns lines]). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I think my dim brain is just beginning to grasp -- tell me if this isn't right -- that different platforms select different skins without the user having to log in or indeed do anything. Suddenly a lot makes more sense. So tell me this, in clear terms for my little brain: I'm not committed enough to go switching skins all the time to check things, but if I had to pick one skin to set my preferences too, which would be the best vehicle for me to do the greatest good for the greatest number, what skin would that be? (I use either Windows 10 + Chrome or iPhone 7 + Chrome).{{pb}}As mentioned before, I'm happy for the article to be used as a poster boy for a complex, dense layout that stresses the system, and to participate in experiments in improving things. And with that I think there Inzo need to take up any more of your time at present. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Different platforms: Almost. Any mobile domain (that's <nowiki>https://lang'''.m'''.wiki*.org</nowiki>) will provide Minerva and any desktop domain (that's <nowiki>https://lang.wiki*.org</nowiki>) will provide Vector to the user who has not logged in. Minerva is the default skin on mobile even if you are logged in on mobile, though you can force it to your selected skin by moving to the other domain (for which there is a "Desktop" link at the bottom of the page, or you can remove the <code>.m</code> from the address bar). |
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::::: I think you can best get a sense of what's going on by setting your skin to Minerva or Timeless. The former comes with pain for editors: a lot of the bells and whistles you have scripts for you probably will not be able to access (for example, I can neither use TW nor move a page trivially [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft&useskin=minerva in Minerva]; you will surely see other scripts you use missing). The latter has a little bit of that but more likely will throw you off because it has anywhere from 1 to 3 layouts depending on resolution as well as a fixed-width content display (the fixed-width idea is the same as in Minerva). |
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::::: If you find you can't get over the chasm of one of those two skins, you can still stick to your current skin and then switch into those by adding <code>?useskin=minerva</code> or <code>?useskin=timeless</code> at any time (I use a separate script that keeps me in those skins if I decide I want to leave the page I'm currently on--that's the badly named [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Izno/persistentParams.js&action=history persistentParams]). |
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::::: There is a corresponding "Mobile" view link at the bottom of the page if you want to flip back and forth. |
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::::: There is the final option of fixing the content width of your current skin as well (Vector, Modern, Monobook) to some reasonable (or perhaps unreasonable) width, to get the Vector tools with a Minerva-on-desktop feel. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 04:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Give me my [[VT100]] back. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::The second time in as many weeks that specific page has been linked to me. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 04:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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{{od}} |
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I've been trying Minerva and Timeless as you suggested and now I'm more confused than ever. Everything looks absolutely awful in those skins on my laptop, whether desktop or mobile is selected; and on my phone, I can't sort out what I'm seeing between which skin I've selected, whether I'm seeing mobile or desktop mode, and of course there's portrait vs. landscape. And I spent a good deal of time, at a number of different articles, trying to get a handle on what selection is causing what. So I'm afraid I'm giving up for now. Here's what I know: ''<and at this point it appears I fell asleep at the keyboard...> [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]''' |
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:<small>I was assuming that was some intentional piece of symbolism and you were meaning to say you knew no more about the subject than when you started. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 07:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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== DCB == |
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See [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678#User:Daniel_C._Boyer this] as to why the edit filter wasn't working. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== Dopey words == |
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My pet hate is "welcomed" in the context of children. It's vile PR-speak & doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. |
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https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=%22welcomed+their%22+site%3Awiki.riteme.site |
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Thanks for providing a possible venue for it to join its fellow dopey words. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 16:31, 27 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=959241280&oldid=959095544] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== Welcome to the EFM club == |
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That's the smoothest I've ever seen someone get the EFM bit, especially given that you don't show up much at the usual boards. Well done! <small>Also, congrats on getting all of your permissions back after Cyberpower's oopsie - I know we can trust you with EFM, but I'm not so sure about 30/500.</small> In case you weren't aware, there's a [https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-en-editfilters mailing list] that you'll probably want to subscribe to as well. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett|talk]]) 18:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ok}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well, {{U|Creffett}}, looks like [[User_talk:Cyberpower678#EEng|you jinxed it]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== “Red link now blue” == |
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[[Wikipedia:List of editors with really, REALLY confusingly similar names (like Dr.K. and DrKay)|Sadly no longer]]. Maybe you could re-create it in your user space? Didn’t even get a chance to see it.[[User:Pawnkingthree|P-K3]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 23:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=959276506#You're_not_really_offended,_are_you?] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:[edit conflict] The entries were: |
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:*Dr.K. and DrKay |
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:*JBW and JWB |
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:*Confuzion |
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:Apparently Dr.K. disliked the attention and tagged it for deletion under [[WP:CSD#G6]] (only supposed to be for routine housekeeping, not for potentially disputed deletions) with the rationale "This page serves no encyclopedic purpose", and admin Anthony Bradbury somehow agreed both with the rationale and the speedy-deletion criteria. I'm deliberately not linking the user names to avoid them applying the same tag-team tactics to this talk page. But regardless of whether the deletion was a valid application of the speedy rules, it's hard to imagine the list surviving a serious deletion discussion. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks both. Yeah, G6 is definitely a stretch there... I was amused to discover there’s a [[User:Iridescence]] who predates their more famous near-namesake, although they’re not around much these days so limited confusion is liable to arise. [[User:Pawnkingthree|P-K3]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 00:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::While it was odd that Dr. K nominated it, and ''very'' odd that it actually got deleted, it seems to have been a misunderstanding -- see my link near the top of this thread. David, I really did mean to create a helpful way for people to sort out vaguely remembered colleagues with confusing names. Why do you think it wouldn't survive a deletion discussion? Seems to me it has at least as much encyclopedic purpose as [[Wikipedia:Queen_Elizabeth_slipped_majestically_into_the_water]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Because in the stubby form in which it was nominated it could easily be misinterpreted as intended only to make fun of some editors' names, and that's the way I'd expect a discussion to take it, regardless of protestations to the contrary. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 07:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::What David Eppstein said. This is a genuine issue and one we've [[WP:SIMILARNAME|explicitly recognized for years]] (I regularly get confused by Johnbod and Johnboddie because they edit in similar areas) When you take into account the people whose signatures don't reflect their username but instead are similar to someone else's username such as when JzG is signing as "Guy" in a thread which already includes Guy Macon, it's a genuine issue (particularly as [[Special:Log/EEmg|the automatic filter which is supposed to prevent the registration of accounts with similar names to existing editors doesn't appear to be doing its job]]). However as written, and taking its title into account, I can totally understand someone interpreting it as an attack page. As David Eppstein (almost) says, while the deletion here was technically an abuse of admin tools, one could make a case that it was a legitimate invocation of [[WP:IAR|IAR]] since there's no possibility that the page in that form would have survived a deletion debate, and as such [[WP:CSD|"reduce the time spent on deletion discussions for pages or media with no practical chance of surviving discussion"]] comes into play. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 09:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Jeez, it was only a day old; I was going to add some text to explain the function. But I'm not worried about someone's overzealousness. Can I create a new list, with explanation, to help people like me remember that JzG who is Guy isn't that other Guy and so on? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Wearing my [[:Template:Adminstats/Iridescent|"performer of 13,000+ deletions"]] hat rather than the "person who thinks Wikipedia typically takes both process and 'I feel offended by this obviously inoffensive comment' complaints way too seriously" hat, the best thing to do would be to create it in your own userspace, and make it very clear (in a sincere way, not in a snidey "if you're offended it's because you don't get the joke" way) that it's a genuine attempt to address an issue and not an attempt either to make fun of other people's usernames nor to sneer at people who aren't wiki-insiders and as a consequence aren't aware that Outriggr isn't a secondary account of Riggr Mortis. If and when it's ready to move to WP:-space, do so under a {{em|neutral}} title. |
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:::::::Yes, I know I sound pompous saying all this, but I assume it's not news to you that you have a reputation—whether deserved or not—as someone who acts like a dick and then plays the "it was all a joke, you just have an impaired sense of humor if you don't find it funny" defense. As such, the Civility Cop contingent among the admins aren't going to extend much AGF in your case, particularly coming less than a week after [https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2020/05/22/wikimedia-foundation-board-announces-community-culture-statement/ the WMF Board voted to grant themselves dictatorial powers to ban anyone who doesn't adhere to their Bezerkeley definition of "civility"]. With Eric retired and Fram too hot to handle, you're likely to be near the top of the list for any self-appointed commissar who thinks that the board <small>(which coincidentally, shortly before dumping this steaming turd onto our collective plate, [[:wmf:Resolution:Postponement of Community Selection of Trustees and Extension of Community Selected Trustee Terms until next selection process|voted to indefinitely extend their own terms of office and suspend community elections to the board]])</small> has appointed them as the vanguard of the Internet Cultural Revolution and is eager to get purging. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::<small>(It's spelled ''[https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/02/us/herb-caen-80-san-francisco-voice-dies.html Berserkeley]'', actually.)</small> I'm honestly astounded that anyone could have interpreted that list as anything but what it was -- an aid for the perplexed -- but go figure. As it happens I grew up in Berkeley in the 60s and 70s (and don't get me wrong, I'm proud to have been part of that [http://revolution.berkeley.edu/berkeleys-yellow-school-buses-symbol-integration/?cat=453&subcat=0][http://revolution.berkeley.edu/berkeley-public-school-desegregation-gabrielle/?cat=453&subcat=0][http://revolution.berkeley.edu/history-african-american-negros-incorporated-history-social-studies-classes/?cat=453&subcat=0][http://revolution.berkeley.edu/board-adopts-new-program-hiring-negro-teachers-2/?cat=453&subcat=0]) so I can handle myself with those types. But so that we may prepare for the battles ahead, can you diff a few instances of the behavior you desribe (unless, of course, you're confusing me with this {{U|EEmg}})?{{pb}}By the way, the essential argument isn't ''Perhaps you have an impaired sense of humor'' (though I do sometimes use that as a shorthand) but rather ''Your idea of what's amusing, whatever that happens to be, isn't binding on the rest of us''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC) (And if you are in a position to answer my last query about Android formatting at [[#Shoehorning]], I'd appreciate that too.) |
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:::::::::You seriously need diffs to illustrate {{tq|you have a reputation—whether deserved or not—as someone who acts like a dick and then plays the "it was all a joke, you just have an impaired sense of humor if you don't find it funny" defense}}? Whether or not your critics are {{em|right}} to think so, a sizeable chunk of your talkpage history consists of variations upon "I get that you're trying to be lighten the tone but please ease off, out of context it just looks like bullying particularly to newer editors and people unfamiliar with Wikipedia's internal culture". (I'm not going to spend my time wading through histories but I'm fairly sure that on at least one occasion I've made that very comment to you, possibly even with that exact wording.) I'll check the shoehorning issue now. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 08:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I'm looking for evidence it's actually a "reputation" and not just the grumbling of a [http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,839090,00.html minority of pushy youngsters and middle-aged malcontents]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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*I've restored the page as it doesn't meet the G6 criteria; though anyone is free to start an MfD if they so wish. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 16:07, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Renamed <del>[[Wikipedia:Editors_with_confusingly_similar_names]]</del> [[WP:Editors you might confuse]] and now at MfD. Naturally I'm not canvassing anyone or encouraging them to !vote ''Keep'' or anything. Contributions to the page are welcome, of course. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:35, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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*:: I confuse people all the time, but not because of my name. (Actually I confuse people because of my name a fair amount, too.) --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 18:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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*: Fabulous. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 16:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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==[[Honan Chapel]]== |
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Re: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Honan_Chapel&diff=959667832&oldid=959666051]; any interest in helping with a copy edit? Would be appreciated; its at PR now, and I fear I will be eaten alive. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:I actually clicked because without my glasses I thought it said [[Holden Chapel]], but since it's you'll I'll give it a go. I usually make little edits that are easily reverted, so feel free. I'm not proud. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::Me neither. Grew up in 70s Ireland when grammer and fancy English things were not a priority, so dont know the rules; help appreciated. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 00:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Nice work so far. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I was just taking a break to ask if you found what I'd done copacetic. I'll continue after a talk with me old mum, and maybe a movie with my boyfriend. OK, maybe it will be tomorrow. My aim is generally to simply re-express what's there, though now and then I'll cut a bit of detail; I try to do that in standalone edits so you can restore if you want. Let me know if you see any problems. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks. I knew...too many words, which is why asked for review...you are trimming without losing too much colour (I do like my colour, but cutting rept is ok). V happy so far, go talk your aould wan. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 03:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Yes, we don't want to lose the color; it's the fat that we seek to excise. (Yuck.) But concise writing takes work, and few can do it. As Mark Twain (or Benjamin Franklin, or someone) said, "I apologize that this letter is so long. I did not have time to write a shorter one."{{pb}}Mom's all squared away, as is dad. They've been divorced 40 years but they live next door to each other; it's very convenient. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::I take that qutoe to hearth. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 09:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::''Qutoe'' -- is that Latin? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Paddy Latin, haha. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:38, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::[[Paddy Murphy (Liverpudlian)]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Thats a bit droll even for me. Am I being mocked, as from ''Qutoe'' it seems so. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 18:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::It's an article I wrote after running into the story in the course of other research. It's rare that I get an opportunity to link so I couldn't let it pass. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::I'm a bit sensitive about my ability to spel in English, not something I ever got the hang of, though by better half was a queen bee back in the day. Maybe I lucked out. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 19:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::Well as you probably know I take 'em where I find 'em, and it's all in the spirit of fun. I'd say that in this case it's your typing more than your spelling. I'll get back to the article today or tomorrow. It's longer than I'd realized. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::I'm very happy with the progress from this side. Might have to invest in a barnstar or something. Hugely appreciated. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 12:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::Well, that's it. Whew! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::: Whew indeed. Brilliant man. Thank you so much, the page is drastically improved. I owe you three Guinness', at least!!! Sound as a pound. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::::::It wont be forgotten. Mentioned u here[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Honan_Chapel/archive1]. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 18:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Ha, grand situation; long as you don't spend your life ducking and diving between thrown pots and pans[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KiN44pBac]. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 04:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::No, they're great friends. They just couldn't stand being married anymore. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::Understandable, people change as they grow older; I know I have stayed closed to g/f was with for 8 years...the spark had gone but still care. Its not easy man, but have met the love of my life since. My point is I really respect couples that part on good terms. |
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::::::::Re words, am aware of "elegant variation", which I think is where I think we first met, but damn it, cant escape the gravitational pull. Which why have called in heavies like you. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 04:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC) |
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==Regarding your changing it back again== |
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I'm leaving the office right now to go out for 4-5 hours and don't have time to edit Wiki more at the moment, but we can't reword that sentence to imply that Floyd died because Chauvin put his knee on his neck. See a quick explanation here after another editor made a similar edit: [[User_talk:AzureCitizen#George_Floyd's_lede_rollback]]. Please consider reverting it for those reasons. I'll circle back later to take up the conversation further if need be, I'm just literally walking at the door at the moment... regards, [[User:AzureCitizen|AzureCitizen]] ([[User talk:AzureCitizen|talk]]) 15:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well, when you juxtapose two facts like that the implication is there whether you make an explicit connection or not. But I've reworded. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:02, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::Appreciate the re-wording, that works. Yep, I agree that even when split into two sentences, there's some implied connection there. When the RM on changing the name from "Death of..." to "Killing off..." closed the other day, some editors started changing the very front of the lead from "X died..." to "X was killed by Y....", and breaking the sentence in two was the quickest remedy. Now that you've changed it back to "died," I hope it sticks. Amazingcaptain was exceedingly polite about it, but passions are running very high on this topic for others. Regards, [[User:AzureCitizen|AzureCitizen]] ([[User talk:AzureCitizen|talk]]) 22:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Replacing "46-year-old" with "middle-aged" in George Floyd article's lede === |
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Hi, |
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Do you think we can replace "46-year-old black man" with "middle-aged black man" as 46 year old would take away a reader's attention? The sentence is kinda long and we can remove some facts from there. Moreover, I was also going to remove the MPD fact. :) --[[User:Amazingcaptain|Amazingcaptain]] ([[User talk:Amazingcaptain|talk]]) 18:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:I think that's going overboard. There's a reason that old-school news stories always give the ages of persons reported on if possible: "Police said that John Smith, 18, snatched the purse of Mary Mitchell, 82..." There's nothing like a person's age to give you a gigantic amount of information about them in a tiny space; right away you're able to begin forming an image. Gender is comparable, but of course you almost always get that for free from names and pronouns so it's not an issue. So I'd absolutely leave it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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=== "subdual" === |
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I think that's what you do when you suppress your urge to scream.[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subdual] Best wishes, [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] ([[User talk:Kablammo|talk]]) 14:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Wow, you learn something new every day. I thought maybe it was meant to be ''[[wikt:subdural]]'', but that makes no sense. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::Cops and medical examiners like jargon, I guess. [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] ([[User talk:Kablammo|talk]]) 15:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::And here I was thinking you were branching out into [http://www.numdam.org/item/?id=AIF_1974__24_3_119_0 deep pure mathematics]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 19:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Wow, you learn ''two'' new things every day. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators == |
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I feel like you missed an opportunity to try to have [[baby mama]] and [[baby daddy]] endorsed as encyclopedic terms in the context of nobility. [[User:Pburka|pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
I feel like you missed an opportunity to try to have [[baby mama]] and [[baby daddy]] endorsed as encyclopedic terms in the context of nobility. [[User:Pburka|pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:You refer, of course, to [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=960973257&oldid=960966596]. Well there're certainly [[Descendants_of_George_III_and_Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz#Illegitimate_grandchildren|plenty of places such terminology would come in handy]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
:You refer, of course, to [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=960973257&oldid=960966596]. Well there're certainly [[Descendants_of_George_III_and_Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz#Illegitimate_grandchildren|plenty of places such terminology would come in handy]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== The State and the Media == |
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[http://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/AmendedComplaint06032020.pdf Amended Complaint]: "The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of their squad car by pushing him from the driver's side. As the officers were trying to force Mr. Floyd in the backseat, Mr. Floyd repeatedly said that he could not breathe. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily sit in the backseat and the officers physically struggled to try to get him in the backseat. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted. The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed." |
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[https://www.yahoo.com/news/charges-expected-against-former-police-185311639.html LA Times]: "Chauvin and Thao soon arrived, and all four officers made 'several attempts to get Floyd in the back seat of their squad car by pushing him.' Chauvin pulled Floyd out of the squad car and Floyd went to the ground face-down, still handcuffed." |
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[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/03/george-floyd-criminal-complaints-former-police-officers/3138631001/ USA Today]: "The officers attempted to get Floyd into a patrol car, while Floyd said he couldn't breathe. Chauvin and Kueng tried to get Floyd into the car from the passenger seat while the other officers tried pushing him from the driver's side, according to court documents. When that didn't work, Chauvin pulled Floyd out of the passenger side of the car and Floyd 'went to the ground face down and still handcuffed,' the complaint said." |
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When putting him in the car didn't work, they took him out of the car. Makes sense. |
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[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/us/george-floyd-police-records-chauvin.html The Old Grey Lady] just skips it altogether: "As they tried to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car, he stiffened up and fell to the ground. Mr. Floyd told them he was not resisting arrest but was claustrophobic and did not want to get in the back seat of the car, according to the arrest affidavit. Soon, Mr. Chauvin showed up, with Mr. Thao at his side. Mr. Chauvin quickly took charge. Cellphone video showed that Mr. Chauvin placed his left knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck. Mr. Lane held Mr. Floyd’s legs, and Mr. Kueng held his back. Mr. Thao stood between the officers and onlookers, according to charging documents." |
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Which might be the right answer. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 04:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure whether the above is meant to be an action item for me. I've been meaning to say: great work on straightening out the chronology. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, and likewise! Yes, the action item is if you could please improve the quality of journalism in America. Much appreciated. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 00:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I'll make some calls. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC) |
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For talk page watchers, this thread is about [[Killing of George Floyd]]. That article and the many related articles (e.g., [[George Floyd protests]]) have proposals where consensus is as-yet unclear, and it would be very helpful if more editors would register their opinions to help move us towards consensus (regardless of what those opinions are). Thanks. This public service announcement brought to you by [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 00:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Engvar and MOS == |
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:::Or maybe a law firm, like [[Dewey, Cheatem & Howe]] or [[State of nature|Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC) |
:::Or maybe a law firm, like [[Dewey, Cheatem & Howe]] or [[State of nature|Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::American English, British English, it is all English! One of the things that [[MS-DOS|DS-MOS]] uses. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 06:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
::::American English, British English, it is all English! One of the things that [[MS-DOS|DS-MOS]] uses. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 06:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== RfC on infobox style for locations == |
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Hey. Just re. [[Talk:Killing of George Floyd#Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020]]. I was originally planning to open up an RfC for this anyway, simply due to the lack of consistency, then you mentioned you'd be interested in making it in your recent response and I think it'd be better if you made it. |
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I wanted to mention two points which I hope you'll take into account when drafting: |
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* Although I'm fine with "US" on this page in the meantime, for the purpose of an RfC I think I'd prefer better consistency. You mentioned your preference for "US" rather than "United States". One point I get raised here is the ignorance of English-speakers (Americans, Brits) in not really learning a second language, unlike much of the rest of the world. I don't think there should be a special exemption to allow "United States" to be abbreviated. It's a weak point, but I feel it creates a slippery slope. You could also allow exemptions for more well-known abbreviations (like "UK", "USSR"), but then you end up with questionable ones like "UAE", "HK", "NZ", "AUS"). There's also the point that what abbreviations ''we'' think are easily recognisable may not apply across all readers -- on that note, this is why I think "New York City" should also be "New York City, US" -- we don't know what terms are recognisable to which readers, and the additional 2 characters isn't really wasting infobox space. Although most probably know California and NYC are in the US, London in the UK, Paris in France, I don't think there's any reason to assume and omit. |
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* I recognise your point about infobox space and practicalities, so hopefully you can consider this point and come up with a working solution, and/or provide options in the RfC. Whatever the outcome is, I don't think it should be a per-article decision, for the sake of consistency and preventing pointless debate -- I can't think of any reasons why this should differ in the infobox from article to article. And I'm aware I used "US" in my above bullet - it does appear cleaner there. I have no clue which guidance should be adopted in which cases. Unless a well-reasoned policy can be made, it's probably better to leave it to each article, I suppose. |
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* Non-infobox text should not be included in the policy. I think [[WP:GUIDANCE]] accurately sums up why I think that should be left a per-article decision. Some articles deserve context of country, like [[George Floyd protests in the United Kingdom]]. Others less-so. |
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Just my POV. Hope you can consider the points and come up with a working solution. If you do go ahead and make the RfC, please let me know. |
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Finally, regarding: {{tq|I'd prefer United States personally – At least between now and the presidential inauguration I'd prefer anywhere but the United States, so if you'd like to make a seven-month house swap I'm game.}} I'd like to retract such implication, though I appreciate the offer. We have plenty of problems on this side of the pond, but at least civilians [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/floyd-protests-live.html#link-5328ad31 don't get tear gassed] by the government for a photo op. I like to enjoy my morning stroll gas-free :D [[User:ProcrasinatingReader|ProcrasinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrasinatingReader|talk]]) 14:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::When I said I'd initiate a initiate a proposal for a MOS change "when things die down", that means not days from now and probably not weeks from now, but months. Getting something like this changed, if it can be changed, is WAY more complicated than just posting an RfC. As I've rubbed in your face already, I've been around the block a few times, and I know how hard this will be. Just posting an RfC out of the blue is certain to fail. The first task is to quietly discuss with the opinion-making MOS elite. That alone will take quite some time and right now, as you can appreciate, Floyd matters are absorbing most of the time and energy I can devote to WP. After allowing 24 hours to elapse for comment I anticipate no problems in installing this change on the Floyd articles, but a project-wide change [[Why We Can't Wait|will have to wait]]. Ping me in a month and if the spirit moves me and the stars appear auspicious, we can get started. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Countries in infobox === |
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Hey. [[Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 2#Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020 2|You mentioned]] that there was a conversation on this in archives, but we didn't find it the last time. Just wanted to let you know that I did finally find it, it was in [[WT:NCGN]], [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)/Archives/2009/December#Is_there_a_convention_for_use_of_country_when_refering_to_US_cities here], in case you're interested. The discussion was prompted by one editor mass-removing "US" from infoboxes due to their interpretation of [[WP:USPLACE]]. Only that mass-removing editor appeared to be in support of this interpretation. The conclusion seems to be that it makes sense to include, for the same reasons I argued, and implicit consensus for inclusion was shown by analysing a diverse range of GAs/FAs (after the infobox subheading). Just thought you'd be interested. And letting you know that, uh, I've affixed this great achievement to my personal Wikipedia CV. {{tq|three weeks and 1200 edits' worth of experience}} -> <s>{{tq|EEng, per usual, is correct}}</s> is a mighty achievement I must say ;p (friendly banter disclaimer) [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 22:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:As you can see by what's going on at [[WT:MOS#Removal_of_"UK"_from_location_field_in_infoboxes]] there's something about this topic that makes editors act like cats in a bag, so you'll understand my warning that this wouldn't be easy. The discussion you link notwithstanding (though it helps), what would be needed to put this issue to rest once and for all is a new discussion (probably RfC, eventually) preceded by getting MOS elites on board first. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, I can see what you meant now. esp re. all the little nuances applicable to each country. Must say, it is surprising to me that this hasn't been hashed out and standardised by now, given it has been so many years since the project began (indeed, a decade after the discussion I linked). |
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::I don't feel that UK discussion is going to lead to the standardised guideline I hope for. Doesn't look like anyone is close to changing their minds on the issue. Just as an example from that discussion, plenty of people would oppose to standardising omission of 'Scotland' in favour of UK, while others (like myself) would oppose having both (eg "Edinburgh, Scotland, UK"), as well as solely having Scotland. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 15:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Valereee? == |
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I suppose it's possible, but my username is based on a typo I commonly make. The V isn't even important, except after I sent that very first email I realized it would distinguish me from all the other chimpanzees. Except I was writing to one, not from one.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]] • [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#F80"> talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]] • 22:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Vchimpanzee}}, I am not at all concerned. :) I think EEng was making a joke. :) [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 02:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::I think I probably was, but with me I never know. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::That makes a dozen of us [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 02:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== [[8′46″]] should be moved back == |
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I hope this isn't considered [[WP:FORUMSHOP]]. Just thought I'd make you aware of [[User talk:Bagumba#8′46″]]. Cheers. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 17:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:I don't understand what I'm supposed to see there. As I think you already know I've already commented at [[Talk:8′46″#Requested_move_10_June_2020]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|EEng}} My mistake, allow me to clarify. {{u|Fuzheado}} has so far ignored mine and {{u|Bagumba}}'s comment. I view their reopen of discussion as "meh", but their reversion of the move as unjust, as no one has ever supported the current article title on the talk page, and it's out-[[WP:MOS]] in many ways. So, I'm asking you, as one of the most experienced editors,<ref group="注">not to mention, the one with the best user page</ref> to weigh in on what I should do next. I think that discussion being reopened and the move are separate issues from perspective of [[WP:IAR]]. But I need outside opinion, and help. I believe we're doing a disservice to readers by leaving it at this title in the face of clear [[WP:consensus]], regardless of state of discussion. But, I can easily be wrong, and I remember: nothing is "urgent",<ref group="注">well, except [[WP:URGENT]], but that's not this</ref> there is [[WP:NODEADLINE]], [[WP:CCC]]. So, is this worth a protracted debate over, or should I just "take the L" as the kids say? [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 19:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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Thanks for removing my bot's misplaced notice from [[Talk:8′46″]] – I'm in process of debugging that now. If you're interested in the gory details, see [[User talk:RMCD bot#Misplaced move notification|this]]. |
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Oh, and my quick opinion of the above is that WP:SNOW never falls in controversial topic areas. Let the discussion run for a full week. [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 19:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Wbm1058}} I think you're conflating the issue of the ''close reversal'' with the ''page move'' itself. As stated...{{xt|I view their reopen of discussion as "meh", but their reversion of the move as unjust}}. I don't think it's a big problem to have it on a "second best" title for a week, given the popularity of the page, and then, if by some miracle of procedure, another name, like [[8m46s]], wins the day, we go with that. Having it on a title everyone thinks is bad for a week, probably the week of the article's life where it will be most read, seems strange to me. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 20:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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*Look, I don't know from close reviews and so on, but I've made a post at the article talk which I hope will move things forward. If things go as planned I think there will be clear consensus very quickly. Since this is really just about typography (sort of) and not the usual arguments like ''Peking'' vs ''Beijing'' and that sort of thing, maybe we can act on the consensus without waiting a week, if that consensus is clear enough. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:31, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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[[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]], I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that "everyone" thinks the current title is bad. Seems like an acceptable title to me. Perhaps not the best title (opinions vary on that, it's why we have discussions) but not bad... 8'48" would be an actually ''bad'' title. |
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Reviewing the page move history: |
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*at 19:15, 2 June 2020 {{U|Fuzheado}} created page {{no redirect|8'46"}} (start) |
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*at 21:36, 2 June 2020 {{U|DividedFrame}} moved page {{no redirect|8'46"}} to {{no redirect|8′46″}} (Style) |
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*at 06:27, 13 June 2020 {{U|Psiĥedelisto}} moved page {{no redirect|8′46″}} to {{no redirect|8 minutes 46 seconds}} (Moved per requested move on talk page. Non-admin closing early due to clear consensus. (WP:SNOW)) |
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*at 06:34, 13 June 2020 {{U|Fox}} moved page {{no redirect|8 minutes 46 seconds}} to {{no redirect|8 minutes and 46 seconds}} (per consensus on talk, omitted the "and" originally) |
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*at 15:44, 13 June 2020 {{U|Fuzheado}} moved page {{no redirect|8 minutes and 46 seconds}} to {{no redirect|8′46″}} (improper SNOW CLOSE, no consensus, and early close - undoing move until proper procedure followed) |
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So your "snow" move lasted all of seven minutes before someone else decided that it was a "technical" matter that the title should include "and" between the minutes and seconds. The whole point of "requested moves" is to avoid such frequent, disruptive page moving. The original title, or the close variant of that, lasted a full week before the RM was opened, so it is not at all clear that it's such a bad title that it must be moved immediately. – [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 20:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is absolutely an inappropriate title. [[4′33″]] is called that because that is literally -- those ''very characters'' -- the name of the musical composition the article discusses. Not so here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|EEng|wbm1058}} Wow! You're telling me this title was chosen by {{u|Fuzheado}}? And this same editor ignored my comment and that of another admin on the talk page, and has made no arguments as to why their preferred title fits the [[WP:MOS]]? So, in sum—{{u|Fuzheado}} is not an uninvolved admin? I never would have even considered it possible. I assumed some new editor chose this obviously incorrect title. Stunning—now, finally, what's gone on here makes sense. To (incorrectly, in my view) use procedural minutiæ to keep an obviously incorrect title on the page for seven days because some editors dissented ''to another title''. And let's note that {{u|Fuzheado}} did not attempt to defend their title in the thread at all, against the multiple editors assailing it. Curly quotes are not allowed. Minutes and seconds are not to be marked even with straight quotes. So, yeah, I definitely don't think I got out of your post what you were hoping I would. Or is the argument that {{u|Fuzheado}} has all the time in the world to undo closed requested moves ''in which they are heavily involved as the main party!'', but none to discuss on the talk page why they are correct per the MOS? They need seven days to formulate their killer argument as to why curly quotes are allowed, and quotes should be used for minutes and seconds, on one of the most read pages on the site right now. This revelation is too much for me, I can't believe it. Is this a cause of action for [[WP:AN/I]]? I suppose it is, yes, if they continue ignoring pings? So, let's try this one, and I'll also invite them here on their talk page. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 23:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I gather there's some grievance over the history of the moves of this article, but I'm sorry, I don't know anything about that and I'd be lying if I said I could invest the energy needed to come up to speed. I put a chunk of time into moving the discussion towards resolution, and that's going to be my contribution. Sorry if you expected more from me. I disappoint people on a regular basis. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::No problem. I will not ping you further, and will instead suggest {{u|Fuzheado}} discuss it over on [[Talk:8′46″]] rather than here. Did not expect more from you. Replied here as this is where {{u|wbm1058}} posted the vital clue. Feel free to close this section. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 23:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Thanks for understanding; it's been a tough week. While you're here please drop by [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC) |
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==Atlanta shooting article== |
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Hi. Nice job editing the Atlanta shooting page. You are making it better. A couple of comments. 1. I think there are two investigations. The header you edited is in the singular, though. 2. Why is internet inlined [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks&diff=962738467&oldid=962733639 here] ... isnt that an overlink? Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:E010:1100:644A:43B5:4DD3:1CF3|2604:2000:E010:1100:644A:43B5:4DD3:1CF3]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:E010:1100:644A:43B5:4DD3:1CF3|talk]]) 01:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Thank you. I was going to unlink ''internet'' but got distracted. If someone reading Wikipedia doesn't know what the internet is, they'll need more than a link. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::Too funny. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:E010:1100:76:C4B7:C7BA:61FD|2604:2000:E010:1100:76:C4B7:C7BA:61FD]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:E010:1100:76:C4B7:C7BA:61FD|talk]]) 00:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Harvard template == |
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Hi EEng, the only change I did to the Harvard template was the addition of color schemes. If you take a look at [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Harvard_University&diff=963188721&oldid=955618370 how the template looked before my edits], you can see that the mess was already there before that change. - [[User:Fma12|Fma12]] ([[User talk:Fma12|talk]]) 15:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well I agree that it seems like the only thing that ''should'' have changed is the colors, but the fact is that everything was neatly well-formatted before, and afterwards there's all kinds of strange whitespace in the ''College'' section. (This is all on my platform, of course.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:: If you disagree with the changes (with your assertion: "everything was neatly well-formatted before", which seems to be an opinion rather than a fact, apart of being unpolite towards me), you can go back to the previous edit or add the colors yourself. It's your decission. I already gave you the proof in that link. Clear enough, I guess. Don't blame for things I never did. End of discussion for me. - [[User:Fma12|Fma12]] ([[User talk:Fma12|talk]]) 15:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Calm down. Your link doesn't show what things looked like before your edit; this one [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=955618370] does, and this one shows things after your edit [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=963187046]. You added some code which you ''think'' does some particular things, but which apparently has side effects you don't understand. I'm telling you, and you're going to need to believe me even if you don't see it on your platform, that it did mess up the layout (on a typical-sized laptop running Chrome on Windows 10) by introducing a lot of half-full lines in the ''College'' section that aren't there in the version just before your edit; that's not an "opinion". Since I have every reason to believe that your intention really is to improve things, and we're always learning and improving our skills as editors, I thought you might be interested to figure out why this was happening in this case so that it won't happen again, especially since it appears you're making similar changes to other templates/articles; perhaps what I'm saying will ring a bell, and you'll have an insight into what's going wrong.{{pb}}Or, as seems to be the case, you can interpret my communication as some sort of attack and just press on making mindless changes you apparently don't fully understand without caring whether they improve things or not. As you say, it's your decision. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::On my platform as well, I must say the template as ''much'' worse after the changes, with many misalignments, looking very amateurish overall. The colors themselves (the intent of the change) are now ugly and intrusive, when before they were subtle and helpful. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 03:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::While I appreciate your support, surely you don't mean to call Harvard's beautiful crimson {{tq|ugly and intrusive}}. (But count your blessings: it narrowly missed being magenta [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/4/11/harvard-explained-why-is-crimson-harvards/].) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::[[File:Vandalism.PNG|thumb]] While I appreciate the humor in that reply, for those that don't (there's always someone), I'll point out that my {{tq|ugly and intrusive}} comment meant using that color scheme ''for text''. Bold, even glorious colors tend to make reading the text annoyingly difficult. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 19:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::At least Harvard knows what its color is. One of my almae matres can't seem to figure out whether it's Pantone 290 or 292. Anyway, I think using crimson for the navbox header but not for the interior parts is a reasonable compromise, both because of the formatting issues and for readability of the content. I'm curious why coloring some of the list entries makes the formatting go wonky, but not curious enough to make any serious efforts to debug it. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Implausible album cover art == |
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Can I interest you in a [[NSFW]] genuine photo of an Irish police horse on duty? [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 20:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC) |
Can I interest you in a [[NSFW]] genuine photo of an Irish police horse on duty? [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 20:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Mind not archiving active edit requests == |
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... such as [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKilling_of_George_Floyd%2FArchive_5&type=revision&diff=963670481&oldid=963605800 this]? I know they're a repetitive pain in the ass and that cases like this one should be rightly laughed off, but still if you're taking the time deal with it also add/change the <code>answered=yes</code> parameter so it doesn't pollute the ER request queue, which is full enough as is. Thanks, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 03:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, I forgot about the queue thing. I should have changed it to ''Answered'' and <u>then</u> immediately archived.{{pb}}Ya' know, there ought to be a way to set some parameter, on a highly active talk page like that one, to cause ERs submitted on that page to not be enqueued, on the assumption that the page is so active that ERs can be handled locally. Or maybe, as a backstop, with the parameter set ERs won't be enqueued unless they go unanswered for X days. I recognize this would probably be more trouble than it's worth, but you see my point. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Resisting arrest == |
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Resisting arrest typically happens '''before''' the arrest - they're not escaping arrest, they're resisting BEING ARRESTED. It goes "reasonable suspicion" to "detained" to "probable cause" to "arrested. |
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As of the phrase |
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All right, I think you've had too much to drink to be driving. Put your hands behind your back for me |
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He was "detained" Anything that happens between "detained" and arrest would be legally known as "resisting arrest". I'm putting that part back. |
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{{Ping| EEng}} - Good catch though, we '''should''' take the time to get this right. |
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Respect! |
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[[User:Riventree|Riventree]] ([[User talk:Riventree|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:While I appreciate your taking the time to contact me, we editors are not in a position to make such determinations, regardless of our experience or expertise. What the sources say is that Brooks tried to break free, wrestled, struggled, tussled, scuffled, and so on. I don't see any reliable sources stating, as fact, that he was resisting arrest. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC) |
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{{Ping| EEng}} You are entirely right (and I hadn't thought of it) that I should not interpret. I plead guilty. :) That said, there ''are'' news sources using the term "resisting arrest. |
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* LA Times: "shot Rayshard Brooks in the back after he resisted arrest": https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-17/atlanta-police-officer-who-shot-rayshard-brooks-charged |
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* CBS News: "at a Wendy's drive-thru after officials said he resisted arrest": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rayshard-brooks-atlanta-shooting-police-officer-fired-garrett-rolfe/ |
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::The CBS piece just quotes unnamed "officials" and "police said" the day after the incident. That leaves the LA Times. I'd be interested to see the whole paragraph, but honestly given the intensity of interest in this case you'd expect ''numerous'' sources for something like this. (That's true for everything in the article, and a serious problem we have is that's it's chock-full of low-quality local news/breaking news sources when, at this point, much better sources are available.) Please drop by [[User:EEng#s|the museums]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::"The former Atlanta police officer who shot Rayshard Brooks in the back after he resisted arrest and ran off outside a Wendy’s fast-food restaurant will be charged with felony murder, according to a Georgia district attorney." [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 05:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Well that could be the DA characterizing it as resisting, or just the paper. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== dogma drama == |
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[[File:Terrier_mixed-breed_dog.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|That's ruff.<small> --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b></small>]]Here, I'm giving this to someone with a refined sense of humor capable of appreciating it. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 20:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
[[File:Terrier_mixed-breed_dog.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|That's ruff.<small> --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b></small>]]Here, I'm giving this to someone with a refined sense of humor capable of appreciating it. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 20:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:Someone as degraded as you will enjoy [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=701833667#Degrees_of_irony]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
:Someone as degraded as you will enjoy [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=701833667#Degrees_of_irony]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== I screwed up & I am very sorry about it! == |
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I screwed up on the talk page of "Killing of Rayshard Brooks" and in doing so, I confused you and all the other editors who are all working hard on that article. I have made corrections, but I want you to know I am very sorry for my screw up & hope it didn't waste too much of your time. [[User:BetsyRMadison|BetsyRMadison]] ([[User talk:BetsyRMadison|talk]]) 21:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:My normal level of confusion is so high that I doubt you could do anything to add to it in any significant way. You draft is very good -- a big improvement. Please keep helping out. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== I think these new userboxes I made fit your aesthetic == |
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{{User:Psiĥedelisto/Userboxes/Gratuitous French}} |
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{{User:Psiĥedelisto/Userboxes/Gratuitous Latin}} |
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{{clear}} |
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[[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 23:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:You must have the wrong guy. I despise all things French. Latin's OK. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::I like their fries, though. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 00:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::OK, the fries. I'll give you the that. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC) |
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::::{{Userbox-2| border-c = #aaaaaa | id1 = [[File:French fries clip art.png|x40px]] | id2 = [[File:French fries box.jpg|50px]] |id1-s = 24|id2-s = 24| info = This user supports ''frites gratuites'', ''[[:wikt:c'est-à-dire|c'est-à-dire]]'', gratuitous [[French fries]]. |id1-c = FireBrick |id2-c = Crimson| info-c = Wheat | info-fc = black | info-s = 7.5 }} {{clear}} [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 01:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::So... freedom fries? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC) |
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=="Kung Flu"?== |
=="Kung Flu"?== |
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So considering that our dear leader has recently taken to using the term "Kung flu" to describe the pandemic, are we to suppose—see above—this is a case of great minds thinking alike, or is he reading this page? For my money "moo goo gai pandemic" would have been the smarter choice. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 21:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
So considering that our dear leader has recently taken to using the term "Kung flu" to describe the pandemic, are we to suppose—see above—this is a case of great minds thinking alike, or is he reading this page? For my money "moo goo gai pandemic" would have been the smarter choice. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 21:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:He definitely reads this page. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
:He definitely reads this page. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Edit at [[John Roberts]] looks reasonable == |
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Your [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=John_Roberts&oldid=prev&diff=964786405 recent edit] to [[John Roberts]] looks reasonable to me. I'm particularly swayed by the "we're already specifically naming and linking to [[Harvard Law School]] argument;" consistency is often helpful for readers. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 21:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== WP:ERA == |
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Hey, everyone, I've been happy to host this discussion over the past days, but I think it's better if it continues in a more conventional setting, so I've moved it to [[WT:MOS#WP:ERA,_MOS:STYLERET,_MOS:RETAIN]]. (ERA is really part of MOSNUM but I think this is a more global issue, intersecting as it does ENGVAR and STYLERET.) (signed) Your host, [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== DYK? == |
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{{tq|'''Did you know''' ... that [[eight minutes 46 seconds]] was actually seven minutes 46 seconds?}} |
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Is that in bad taste? It seems like an irresistible hook to me, but I worry it's trivializing. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 03:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:I don't think it's in bad taste, but now's probably not the best time. Also (#1) we'd have to get it to GA. Also (#2) I haven't participated and haven't read the arguments so far, but offhand my inclination is that it should be merged to ... somewhere. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::The obvious target is [[George Floyd protests]] but I'll bet you an I-told-you-so that it won't be merged. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 21:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry, no bet. Also, on reflection there will be some small % of editors who will accuse us of trying to minimize what Chauvin did. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Brooks == |
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:EEng is contributing to the talk page in EEng's usual style. If you don't like the contribution, you can either comment to say so in the discussion, or just ignore it. One of those two options takes no effort and doesn't waste other editors' time. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 00:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC) |
:EEng is contributing to the talk page in EEng's usual style. If you don't like the contribution, you can either comment to say so in the discussion, or just ignore it. One of those two options takes no effort and doesn't waste other editors' time. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 00:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Lee Harvey Oswald inclusion in Far-left terrorist category == |
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You mentioned in the revert comments that you would like a source for this claim. Are you wanting a source to say that he was a terrorist for killing the president of the USA? Or a source that says he was an american Marxist & communist?<span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px">'''[[User:Dig deeper|<font color="Green">Dig</font> <sub><big><font color="Brown">deeper</font></big></sub>]]''' </span> <sup>[[User talk:Dig deeper|'''talk''']]</sup> 02:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'd like a source calling him a ''Far-left terrorist''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::I will try to find a source.<span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px">'''[[User:Dig deeper|<font color="Green">Dig</font> <sub><big><font color="Brown">deeper</font></big></sub>]]''' </span> <sup>[[User talk:Dig deeper|'''talk''']]</sup> 02:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::A ''reliable'' source. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Have you read == |
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''[https://www.springer.com/journal/11123 J Prod Anal]''? [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 05:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
''[https://www.springer.com/journal/11123 J Prod Anal]''? [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup> 05:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:Its penetrating investigations are complemented by in-depth reporting. Harvard's catalog adds candidly{{snd}}AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP{{snd}}''Frequency note: Irregular'' [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/alma/990016195750203941/catalog]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
:Its penetrating investigations are complemented by in-depth reporting. Harvard's catalog adds candidly{{snd}}AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP{{snd}}''Frequency note: Irregular'' [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/alma/990016195750203941/catalog]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC) |
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==Discussion at [[Talk:Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks#Reversion to Investigation and Charges July 05 2020]]== |
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[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks#Reversion to Investigation and Charges July 05 2020]]. [[User:FirstPrimeOfApophis|FirstPrimeOfApophis]] ([[User talk:FirstPrimeOfApophis|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC){{Z48}}<!-- [[Template:Please see]] --> |
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::::The reason [[Main Page]] has so many watchers is simple; while the MP itself never changes, [[Talk:Main Page]] is one of the most active talkpages on the project and because of the way Mediawiki handles watchlisting, the two come as a package deal. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
::::The reason [[Main Page]] has so many watchers is simple; while the MP itself never changes, [[Talk:Main Page]] is one of the most active talkpages on the project and because of the way Mediawiki handles watchlisting, the two come as a package deal. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Now you've gone and taken all the mystery out of it! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
:::::Now you've gone and taken all the mystery out of it! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== {{[[Template:!tqi|!tqi]]}} / {{[[Template:!tqqi|!tqqi]]}} == |
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Hi EEng, I thought you might like this template I just made. Usage example: |
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{{pullquote|You wrote, {{tqqi|whats ur problem}}. Not to put words in your mouth, but it's {{!tqqi|what's your problem?}} Note the {{!tqi|'}} and {{!tqi|?}}.}} |
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It's like [[greentexting]], but for Wikipedia. Per {{tl|Quotation templates}}, {{tq|Inline quotation for what someone didn't say but could have, or perhaps, should have}}. Please use it better than I could. (In re {{angbr|ĥ}}...I'm still looking into it. You might enjoy [https://github.com/alerque/libertinus/issues/329 this argument] I had with someone about it on [[GitHub]].) Best, [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 02:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'm not quite getting the use case. Can you elucidate? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::It might help to just give a real example{{em dash}}here's why I made it, so I could use it on {{format linkr|Talk:Nasser_Khalili#Edit_request}}. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 02:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I'm sorry but I remain mystified. Can you just tell me what the red means and what the green means? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Well, the color scheme comes from the MOS example templates: {{tl|xt}} and {{tl|!xt}}. [[MOS:DONTTEASE|I'm sure you've seen them.]] In this case, we were already using {{tl|xt}} for quotes on talk pages as {{tl|tq}} and {{tl|tqi}}, so it's logical (imo) to have {{tl|!tq}} and {{tl|!tqi}} mean "what you didn't say but could/should/may have". [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 03:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Ah, I see now. I must say that seems a bit subtle for general use. Don't you think it could lead to accusations of misquotation? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::I think I'd use it when someone misstated something. "You quoted the source as saying {{tqi|x}}, but what it actually says is {{!tqqi|xyz}}, which is not the same." Of course I'll never remember the code or where to find it, and I'll be too lazy to go hunting. But I could see the usefulness. [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 11:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::That makes sense (the part about using it for when someone misstates something, not that part about you being lazy). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::<small>Being lazy always makes sense, because... y'know. --[[User:A D Monroe III|A D Monroe III]]<sup>([[User talk:A D Monroe III#top|talk]])</sup> 23:35, 15 July 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::::::Yes, but it's frowned upon in some circles so I didn't want to be accused of casting of ass Persians. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::::That's what I scrolled down all this way for? [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 12:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Your money cheerfully refunded if not satisfied. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== White House Farm murders == |
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[[File:Lilith_(Carl_Poellath).jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Welcome to the garden. I'm your host, EEng. Here, have a piece of fruit. ]] |
[[File:Lilith_(Carl_Poellath).jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Welcome to the garden. I'm your host, EEng. Here, have a piece of fruit. ]] |
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::Your user talk page is a garden of delights. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
::Your user talk page is a garden of delights. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== AE == |
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I'm seriously considering reporting a user to [[WP:AE]]. Never done it before. You are my reality check. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:If you're asking for my advice on something, I'm happy to do what I can, but if I'm your reality check you need to get out of the house more. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Just a long tenure user who has been vexing me. Should probably just let it go. This way I don't act rashly. I prefer to ''not'' stir drama, but they seem to be into stirring. Have you ever posted to AE before? I thought you could, you know, give feedback on process. You know, what's it like? --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::To quote {{u|EEng}} from a related discussion {{tq|JUSUS FUCKING CHRIST, THIS AGAIN?}} is my current feeling toward this exact issue with the editor, {{u|Deepfriedokra}} [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 17:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm afraid I'm unable to figure out precisely who or what you're talking about, and I have very little experience with AE or, indeed, much of anything Arbcom-related. My advice would be to outline the issue quietly on the user talk of an experienced admin you trust, and get their fresh-eyed evaluation. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::I'm relatively unfamiliar with AE/arb matters because they are boring and wordy but I'm not so sure it rises to that. I just want this [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Derek_Chauvin#missing_archive never ending diatribe and ping fest to stop.] Thank you for letting me flood your notifications. [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 18:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*OK, if this is what I now think it is (G.S.?) I'd let it go this time. This user has a strange preoccupation with rehashing archiving mishaps, as if they were capital offenses. If he keeps it up he's gonna get in hot water, but as things stand I think a formal complaint will end with no consensus, he's just a crotchety old grump, something like that. If I've got the wrong situation, let me know. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Defense.gov News Photo 120128-N-JE709-051 - U.S. Navy Seaman Jonathon Foreman splices a tattletale through a new mooring line aboard aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush CVN 77 in the.jpg|thumb|upright=0.4|right|alt=Today I learned that a tattletale is also part of a rope|Today I learned that a tattletale is also part of a rope]] |
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[[The Garden (Guns N' Roses song)|"Only poor boys take a chance<br> |
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On the garden's song and dance<br> |
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Feel her flowers as they wrap around<br> |
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But only smart boys do without"]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 19:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:You can find it all inside, no need to wrestle with your pride. No, you ain't losin' your mind, you're just at AE. They can lead you to yourself, or you can throw it on the shelf, but you know you can look inside for Arbcom, oh yeah. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[''[[Special:Contributions/Levivich|dubious]] – [[User talk:Levivich|discuss]]'']</sup></span> 19:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::My dear {{yo|Levivich}}, if your intent has been to vex ''me'', you have failed utterly. Actually, I rather like you, even though I many times disagree with you. You add a certain, ineffable, ''je ne sais quoi'''. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 21:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Grade inflation at harvard == |
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Thanks for setting up the redirect for the Mathematicks professorship entry. [[User:Wen D House|Robma]] ([[User talk:Wen D House|talk]]) 10:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC) |
Thanks for setting up the redirect for the Mathematicks professorship entry. [[User:Wen D House|Robma]] ([[User talk:Wen D House|talk]]) 10:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:My pleasure. Perhaps you will enjoy [[Andrew Gleason]], which my friend {{noping|David Eppstein}} and I whipped into shape some years ago. He was a wonderful person and after all these years I still miss him. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC) |
:My pleasure. Perhaps you will enjoy [[Andrew Gleason]], which my friend {{noping|David Eppstein}} and I whipped into shape some years ago. He was a wonderful person and after all these years I still miss him. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Kamala Harris infobox image == |
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I don't think I've ever seen an officeholder's infobox use the image upright function before. That's why I deleted it: I thought it was a mistake. But if you're confident it belongs there, that's fine with me. --[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 13:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Woko Sapien}} It definitely is incorrect; it contradicts the way we display the portraits of every other person with an officeholder infobox, and makes the margins on the left and the right of the picture excessively large. [[MOS:IMAGESIZE]] is a guide to sizing images that exist on their own; this image is in an infobox, and the image should be sized appropriately to it. I changed it back. — [[User:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:17px;color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:14px;color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]])</sup> 05:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:EEng, please don't edit war on this further. Three editors (myself, {{u|KidAd}}, and {{u|Woko Sapien}}) have already reverted your change. — [[User:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:17px;color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:14px;color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]])</sup> 05:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::Yes, but Sapien came to his senses, and there's still time for you to do the same. MOS:IMAGESIZE certainly applies to infobox images (I should know, because I wrote it), and margins have nothing to do with it. An image's appropriate size isn't based on how long it's been a certain way, or {{tq|[[WP:OTHERCRAP|the way "we" display portraits in other articles]]}}; the reason, in fact, that you seldom see upright in infoboxes is simply that it wasn't available until a few years ago. This is a near-closeup with the subject filling most of the frame, so that at upright=1 she appears startlingly large. See [[Barack Obama]] and [[Joe Biden]] for images with other compositions appropriately presented at upright=1, and [[Lionel_de_Jersey_Harvard]] for a good example of a portrait appropriate at reduced size. But hey, the article has ''way'' worse problems than a lead image that bores into you like the ''Big Brother is watching you'' posters in ''1984'', so you can rest easy. |
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[[File:Senator Harris official senate portrait.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Attack of the giant senator|left]] |
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[[File:Senator Harris official senate portrait.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|That's more like it.]] |
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[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I'm certainly willing to come to my senses. Could you please be more specific about which part of [[MOS:IMAGESIZE]] you're referring to? It seems to me that it's about how to scale images using the upright parameter, not what sizes are aesthetically appropriate. IMO, it's simply too small at 0.8, which is why I thought to check the scaling in the first place. The time for which the current size has stood – as well as the way almost all other infobox portraits are presented – is reflective of consensus to an extent. My concern is with the size of the image rather than the use of the upright parameter. That said, I agree that it's a bit big and would be willing to meet you in the middle at 0.9. On a general note, while the use of upright instead of a fixed width makes sense to me for the reasons you wrote in the MOS, the practice is uncommon, even for newly-created content. Forgive my ignorance, but has the width parameter been deprecated in any way? — [[User:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:17px;color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:14px;color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]])</sup> 08:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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I appreciate your willingness to discuss. Before we go any further, we need to be all looking at the same thing, so if you could check at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] that ''Thumbnail size'' is set to 220px, then you'll be a the standard base size i.e. ''upright=1'' will mean width 220. Also, make sure your browser zoom is 100%. Now then... These discussions are necessarily subjective, but certainly portrait-shaped images should be at width less than upright=1. In fact the original default size for portraits was 0.75, but that's too much typing so I usually just use 0.8. However, other considerations do come in. For example, the Biden and Obama images are from further back, with full torso and much more background -- by contrast, Harris's photo is so close in, a bit of one shoulder is out of frame. To me, the key for a portrait is to bring out the character of the face, and Harris even at 0.8 gives us plenty of that. So I'd really suggest sticking with 0.8. But if that keeps you up at night how about 0.85?{{pb}}Re {{tq|has the width parameter been deprecated in any way?}}, I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean fixed-width parameters (i.e. expressed in pixels), then yes, they're deprecated in favor of ''upright''. If you mean the width parameter in infoboxes specifically, well yes they're deprecated by implication by the general deprecation of specifying fixed widths anywhere (with certain special exceptions); but as mentioned, for technical reasons ''upright'' wasn't available in infoboxes until recently, so fixed widths have persisted in infoboxes largely because people don't know there's an alternative. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'm using the default settings. This seems plenty reasonable to me. I was focused more on the size of the image rather than the size of her head in the image. I still think it seems a bit small, but perhaps other infobox photos need to be shrunk. I won't get in the way of you changing it back to 0.8, and I appreciate the explanation, since you've obviously worked on this a lot. I'll probably be using the upright parameter more often from now on. — [[User:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:17px;color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="font-family:Bookman;font-size:14px;color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]])</sup> 04:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::Good. Another conversion to the dark side. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I feel like 0.85 is a fair compromise. I'll go ahead and implement it. --[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 12:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I suggest we compromise between 0.80 and 0.85 by using 0.825. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I mean if you feel that passionately about it, sure. But it sort of feels like splitting hairs if we're negotiating the thousandths place. --[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 15:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Okay, I added a newly cropped version of her Senate portrait. It's wider and has less of that zoomed-in effect the previous one had. Hope that can settle things.--[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 16:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Final offer: .8125. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::''(Facepalms self into a concussion)''--[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 17:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::I think you see where I'm coming from now. Have you visited [[User:EEng#s|the Museums]]? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Yes, I've browsed them much to my amusement! --[[User:Woko Sapien|Woko Sapien]] ([[User talk:Woko Sapien|talk]]) 18:08, 17 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}}I cannot, at this moment, remember the name of the current VP of Merkia. What does this say about me, (it's always about me), and the current VP. In my defence, it is early in the morning. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small>the inedible dog </small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 07:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== [[Kamala Harris]] and "silliness" == |
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Thank you for not insisting on it, and for providing a reference for the reconstruction of Thousand Oaks School. That was very helpful. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 05:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well, ''helpful'' is, in fact, my middle name: E-helpful-Eng. Did I provide a reference? If I did I don't remember. To be honest it's from my personal knowledge, though anyone with even the most basic knowledge of 20th-century California school architecture can see at a glance that the edifice in your photo cannot possibly date from before the the 1980s. But for all those sticklers out there I did dig up a cite [http://www.oecd.org/education/innovation-education/33629078.pdf] (search ''Thousand Oaks'') and BTW here's what T.O. (as locals call it) looked like when Harris attended: [https://berkeleyplaques.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ThousandOaksSchool_01.jpg].{{pb}}Since it was you I skipped my full lecture on filler images (my favorite ones to hate being exterior shots of courthouses where so-and-so-the-serial-killer was tried) but I will make one particular point: unless there's a very strong reason, "location" shots should be from the relevant period, not taken decades later after the place has undergone who-knows-what transformations. We should be providing either ''authentic'' images or no images, especially when they're of such marginal import even under the best circumstances. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::<small>Who the eff has a "basic knowledge of 20th-century California school architecture"? You nerd. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 06:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::School board members. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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::I never heard any locals call it "TO" when I was dating Berkeley ladies while attending college in San Francisco back when Harris was attending Thousand Oaks. But there can be little doubt that your original research is vastly superior to mine, because you are a much smarter fellow than I am. Thanks also for sharing your philosophy about photos of historically significant buildings. I will be sure to rent a time machine next time instead of trying to portray what the building looks like in 2020, since you decree such images worthless for our readers. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I can't tell if you're annoyed with me. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC) <small>{{tq|[https://www.berkeleyparentsnetwork.org/recommend/housing/thousandoaks T.O. the lighthouse]}}</small> |
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::::Cullen is always annoyed. That's why he's always chewing people out. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 07:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::One of the great joys of being a perfectionist (like me) is to always be annoyed. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 15:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::A whole bunch of folks are very disappointed there is no image of [[Kew-Forest School]] in a certain other prominent article. Fortunately someone seems to have captured that "distinctive blond hair" [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AZNV9I1nBF4/UB6SvKtIR6I/AAAAAAAAAWY/fk8_oWh9JCI/s1600/midvale+school+for+the+gifted.jpg here] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment == |
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:Quick, someone write a page called [[Wikipedia:Let admins readily revert you]].--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[Black Lives Matter|BLM!Resist The Orange One]])</small>'' 12:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC) |
:Quick, someone write a page called [[Wikipedia:Let admins readily revert you]].--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[Black Lives Matter|BLM!Resist The Orange One]])</small>'' 12:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::(cough) [[Wikipedia:LARRY]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 14:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
::(cough) [[Wikipedia:LARRY]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 14:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== you say that like it's a bad thing == |
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I'm thinking #archivelackey [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 01:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Caption competition == |
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[[File:Gene Simmons + Gloria Jones 7719.jpg|thumb|300px|upright]] |
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[[Gene Simmons]], rock'n'roll's answer to Donald Trump, having an "awkward encounter" with [[Gloria Jones]]. Any witty captions, leave them below. I'll start with "If you can bang my nuts in 4/4, you're on the tour". [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 21:49, 26 August 2020 (UTC) |
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*"''Psst''... Ritchie333 said you're like Donald Trump." --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC) |
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*[[Beat Me Daddy, Eight to the Bar]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 22:49, 26 August 2020 (UTC) |
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* "I'm sorry to disappoint your Mr Simmons, but there is no pornography on Commons, only educational images". [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:34, 27 August 2020 (UTC) |
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* "Though flattered, I will not be taking part in your wet T-shirt contest." --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 12:54, 27 August 2020 (UTC) |
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* "I have men covering the exits so act natural" <sup>Thanks,</sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 13:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC) |
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*"When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." Surprised I couldn't find a wikilink for that. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#294;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#42c;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 21:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC) |
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*:<small> Odd, no mention at [[Charles Colson]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 21:27, 27 August 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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::Girth Summit has my vote, def [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 22:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC) |
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*"Gene exclaims, ''Sweet summa beach! Are they real?'' [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== BS == |
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<small>[[Veteran of the Psychic Wars|You see me here a veteran of a thousand hyphen wars. My energy's gone at last and my armor is destroyed. I've used up all my weapons, and I'm helpless and bereaved. Wounds are all I'm made of.]] <small>apologies to [[Blue Öyster Cult]]</small></small> --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 22:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC) |
<small>[[Veteran of the Psychic Wars|You see me here a veteran of a thousand hyphen wars. My energy's gone at last and my armor is destroyed. I've used up all my weapons, and I'm helpless and bereaved. Wounds are all I'm made of.]] <small>apologies to [[Blue Öyster Cult]]</small></small> --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 22:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:<small>I rarely get this opportunity...''if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen''...what better fit than now? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)</small> |
:<small>I rarely get this opportunity...''if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen''...what better fit than now? [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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== Supervote costume == |
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[[File:Vladimir Putin - Olympic Host.jpg|thumb|Find a mask, go shirtless, carry a sign "Vote early & vote often"<br/><small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 18:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)</small>]] |
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If I wanted to dress up as a [[WP:Supervote|supervote]] for [[Halloween]], any thoughts from you or tpws about what that costume would look like? A checkmark with a cape? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 18:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:A costume that requires you to text a wikilink to the uninitiated might be the nerdiest thing I've ever heard of. Definitely a cape. I'm thinking something that communicates the pretense and possibly self-delusion of non-bias...hm...that takes me to Bill Barr... [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 18:18, 20 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:The general principle here is great, but I would say combine a checkmark on the chest with a cloak that has a load of crosses on the bottom of it. Preferably a really long cape that you keep stepping on, to represent all the contrary viewpoints you're ignoring. ~ [[User:Mazca|<span style="color:#228b22">'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]</sup> 19:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Don't read this == |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:New_Westminster_Police_Department&diff=979288074&oldid=979286954 Streisand Effect] :) |
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[[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 19:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Well played. Magnificent, in fact. I am awarding you the ''Steisand Effect Order of Merit, with Oak Leaves and Silver Rivets''. (Allow 4 to six weeks for delivery. You pay only shipping and handling.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Orca with iceball cropped.JPG|thumb|Deep Fried Orca]] |
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::David, you know ''full well'' if you stick a button marked "DO NOT PRESS" on a Wikipedia page, about 500 editors will rush to press it all at once? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 19:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::: {{re|Ritchie333}} I didn't read your full comment, but I did click on the capital letters "DO NOT PRESS", and nothing happened. So I think you have a bug. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 19:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::{{re|GRuban}} You need a louder mouse or a quieter office. Mine makes this clicking noises when I click on "DO NOT PRESS." [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 20:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Which Office? I loaded Word and turned the volume all the way down and now when I click on "DO NOT PRESS" I can hear the clicking sound but nothing else happens. Should I try Excel? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 21:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Try one of [[:Category:OpenOffice|these]] but avoid doing things to get the wrong kind of attention from the people in [[Wikipedia:Office actions|this office]]. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Davidwr/Awards&diff=979965984&oldid=901716507 Thank you.] [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 20:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Assistencia.jpg|thumb|It looks like you're on EEng's page. Would you like help?<br/>* Suggest a witty DYK hook<br/>* Write a thigh-slappingly humorous essay<br/>* Troll him with an aggressive template message]] |
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Seriously though, chaps, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&action=edit§ion=new&preloadtitle=YOU+SUCK don't click on this].... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 20:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Ritchie333}} "[[Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home|Kepten]], there be [[Wales (surname)|Wales]] here." [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 20:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:I was soooooo tempted to write "[[User:Ritchie333]] told me to click on this" and hit publish. It's because I'm a younger brother, it's in my nature. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 21:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== More exciting than watching ..... == |
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I don't suppose anyone would like to expand [[:Draft:Watching paint dry]] and turn it into a fully-fledged DYK? I'm sure we can split the proceeds. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 19:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Waiting for the AFC queue would be like... well, you know. <small>Just kidding, and a shout-out to all my fellow AFC reviewers who stalk this talk page.</small> [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 20:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Removing sources == |
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EEng, I would strongly recommend you not to remove well-sourced materials from the page. [[User:Ber31|Ber31]] ([[User talk:Ber31|talk]]) 03:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:Your edits typically do three things at once with a puzzling edit summary. I would strongly recommend you stop doing that. 03:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Never let it be said that Star Trek fans have a sense of humor == |
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*:::::::And I imagine that you made it particularly queer.{{fbdb}} So for that image you want me to find, do you want a photo of me teaching, or of you teaching? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC) |
*:::::::And I imagine that you made it particularly queer.{{fbdb}} So for that image you want me to find, do you want a photo of me teaching, or of you teaching? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*::::::::I just remembered something else. Somehow I came into possession of the guts of a little music box, like this [[File:Music_box_elements.jpg|frameless|upright=0.55]], which played [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTx4BT_SUY <click here>]. One day I got into his office and screwed it to the back of his desk next to where he sat. He loved it. He'd crank it for students in hot water. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
*::::::::I just remembered something else. Somehow I came into possession of the guts of a little music box, like this [[File:Music_box_elements.jpg|frameless|upright=0.55]], which played [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTx4BT_SUY <click here>]. One day I got into his office and screwed it to the back of his desk next to where he sat. He loved it. He'd crank it for students in hot water. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Mail Notice == |
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{{ygm}} '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 20:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Celestina007}}, I received your email. The user right you asked about is completely unrelated to the issue you stated. I don't know how I can help you without knowing what the articles in dispute are. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the response, I had thought somehow it might help in curbing paid editing. I’m currently not sure how EFH works, Theoretically, I was thinking perhaps with EFH if an editor created any article pertaining to Nigeria I’d somehow be notified about it & closely examine the article & its creator. I wasn’t sure, that’s why I thought it wise to ask you for guidance on how it worked since you have great experience in this field. Thank you for your time & your response, I think for now i’d just stick to my normal method of nabbing UPE. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 13:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::You're welcome. I was going to ask you what UPE (which you mentioned in your email) is, but I realize now it's Undeclared Paid Editing. At first I thought it was [[Universal Primary Education]] and I couldn't imagine why you'd be against that. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::This made me laugh so hard. Sorry for the confusion. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 15:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Gag edit? == |
== Gag edit? == |
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[[File:Donald_J._Trump,_45th_President_of_the_United_States_(37521073921).jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|99. Tax cheat living in public housing]] |
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Was reading through ANI and was a bit baffled by [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=982818953&oldid=982818131&diffmode=source this edit you made]... was it supposed to be a gag on the weird images they had uploaded? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 4px red;">[[User:MrAureliusR|<span style="color:red"> '''<big>M</big>r<big>A</big>urelius<big>R</big>'''</span>]]</span><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px blue;"><small>[[User_talk:MrAureliusR|<sub>Talk!</sub>]]</small></span> 03:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
Was reading through ANI and was a bit baffled by [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=982818953&oldid=982818131&diffmode=source this edit you made]... was it supposed to be a gag on the weird images they had uploaded? <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 4px red;">[[User:MrAureliusR|<span style="color:red"> '''<big>M</big>r<big>A</big>urelius<big>R</big>'''</span>]]</span><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px blue;"><small>[[User_talk:MrAureliusR|<sub>Talk!</sub>]]</small></span> 03:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:Indeed. Funny thing, there was a time that someone or other would step in to say we're supposed to give Trump the benefit of the doubt because, oh, maybe he's just ''pretending'' to be a deranged sociopath. People seem to have gotten over that.{{pb}}Meanwhile, in other news (since we're on the subject), the more severely mentally challenged of the stable genius's two older sons turns out not to know what a vaccine is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5-s7QS9mM]. Now to be fair, a lot of people don't know what a vaccine is, but most would have the sense not to go on network TV blabbing about it without at least looking in a dictionary first. Of course for that you need to be able to recite the letters of the the alphabet ''in the right order''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
:Indeed. Funny thing, there was a time that someone or other would step in to say we're supposed to give Trump the benefit of the doubt because, oh, maybe he's just ''pretending'' to be a deranged sociopath. People seem to have gotten over that.{{pb}}Meanwhile, in other news (since we're on the subject), the more severely mentally challenged of the stable genius's two older sons turns out not to know what a vaccine is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5-s7QS9mM]. Now to be fair, a lot of people don't know what a vaccine is, but most would have the sense not to go on network TV blabbing about it without at least looking in a dictionary first. Of course for that you need to be able to recite the letters of the the alphabet ''in the right order''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::I demand that you stop violating [[WP:BLP]]. Wikipedia is about venerability, not truth.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
::I demand that you stop violating [[WP:BLP]]. Wikipedia is about venerability, not truth.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I'm sure venereal ability is in there somewhere among the sur-reality . --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
:::I'm sure venereal ability is in there somewhere among the sur-reality . --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Another one for you == |
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I've just abbreviated John the Baptist and Light came upon me. What came out might surprise –or not?!– some people [https://www.mota.gov.jo/Contents/Jordan_Tourism_Board.aspx in Jordan]. They're promoting the country as "the other Holy Land", which is perfectly fair, with the [[Al-Maghtas|Baptism site]] a magnet for tourists (i.e. Sunday pilgrims). Me personally am convinced it's a sign from the Divine, as there's no such thing as a coincidence under His sun. Especially not in abbreviations. MtPbwy, [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 16:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Caption competition == |
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:I honestly don't get what you're saying, but I'll just note that the file description for that photo says {{tq| President Donald J. Trump participates in a pull-aside with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern}}. I don't know what a pull-aside is and, frankly, with Trump in the mix I don't want to know. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC) |
:I honestly don't get what you're saying, but I'll just note that the file description for that photo says {{tq| President Donald J. Trump participates in a pull-aside with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern}}. I don't know what a pull-aside is and, frankly, with Trump in the mix I don't want to know. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::Well we had a similar [[caption competition]] upthread, which Girth Summit won, so I thought there was demand for another one. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC) |
::Well we had a similar [[caption competition]] upthread, which Girth Summit won, so I thought there was demand for another one. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Your revert at [[WP:NPA]] == |
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I [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks&type=revision&diff=983589264&oldid=983576265&diffmode=source reverted] your revert of my edit at [[WP:NPA]] for the following reasons. |
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*First of all, it is inappropriate to revert, on policy as well as article pages, without an explanation of the objection to the edit. Saying “no consensus” or especially the novel “needs much broader consensus” is not a valid explanation. This is explained in multiple places including [[WP:DRNC]] (“Don’t Revert due solely to No Consensus”). |
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*There is no requirement for establishing any particular kind of consensus prior to editing a policy page, much less a “far broader consensus” than satisfying those who choose to participate in a discussion per BRD. |
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*The edit I made is fully consistent with the spirit and intent of the policy page. It’s just adding another explicit item to a list that the page states is not exhaustive so it’s no longer implicit. Makes it less vulnerable to misinterpretation. |
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If you have a specific objection to adding this to NPA please explain at the policy’s talk page. Thank you. —[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 03:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::FYI, EEng, the revert of your revert was [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks&diff=983594816&oldid=983589264 reverted].--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 13:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Indeed it was, but in that revert a reason for removing the edit in question was provided. This has allowed for discussion which will hopefully lead to consensus. See [[Wikipedia_talk:No_personal_attacks#Another_objection]]. —[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 16:11, 15 October 2020 (UTC) |
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=== uh.. === |
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While I pretty much agree with [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:No_personal_attacks&curid=11895995&diff=983775801&oldid=983611752] everything you're saying, including the sarcasm, I think both of us could probably do better to marshal some serious response to what is clearly [[WP:POINT]]Y behavior or [[WP:FORCEDINTERPRET]] BS. That nonsense needs to be shut down. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 05:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:I think it's already going nowhere fast. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC) |
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==FAC Blues== |
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You might get a kick out of this.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd-37QTDxZA&list=PLvL3CyncF8kr4VQ1-kKkRQ2QhD5kvJ4ie&index=92] No piano line is so important that you'd have to take your hand off your pint at any point. <small>with thanks to martinevans for finding</small> [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:And where the hell has ol' ME123 been, anyway? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::He's cleaning up the mess after I sent him a indie disco arrangement of a [[Kylie Minogue|Kylie]] tune, causing his head to explode. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::God help he poor man. What have you done [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]]. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 09:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Our articles on maths == |
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So I was discussing this on IRC with someone, and I don't really know where to ask onwiki. I figure you may have some interest and background (and some of your TPS', Eppstein probably, might put me onto the right track if I'm astray), and adding a few bytes here surely can't hurt: is it just me or most of our maths articles a bit difficult to follow? I have some okay background, not research-level or anything but ug/olympiad, but I still have to think trying to follow articles on concepts I do reasonably understand (or so I hope!). Many times I think it's just the articles trying to cram every form of notation into the very first example, adding a bit of bloat and making it longer to get to the point, other times it's the style of writing, or lack of structure. |
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There's always [[WP:SOFIXIT]], but I don't really understand what our maths articles are trying to do, so I may just be completely mistaken on what an appropriate math-related article would be. Are we trying to educate? Or just provide information on a topic? If the former, unlike even advanced physics articles where they can be written in a way where one can read and follow an entire article (even though they may not be able to do a single problem afterwards), it seems a bit difficult to word many areas of maths assuming little prerequisite knowledge? Still, I feel like we fall short even on basic articles. [[Euclidean distance]], for example which I recently saw, is something we first learn in early/mid teen years (in the school system anyway), but some of the notation on the first few lines one wouldn't encounter till much later. There's just no structure here. If the latter, well, who are we catering for? I can't imagine such articles are useful to people until they already know a topic 'well-enough', and know enough notation (maybe equiv to end of first year knowledge here) to actually follow what the article is saying. Personally, I feel like an interested 14 year old should be able to dig into a geometry article, follow up to what they know, and still learn something new? Necessarily, I'd think that means cutting down on notation at times to improve accessibility? |
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FWIW, we have a good number of very well written maths articles, too. So not saying it's ''all'' of them. I recall some good ones re discrete maths. But just feels like whenever I stumble across one, on average it's not written in a way that's easy to follow. And I don't know what "the right way" to format them even is. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 13:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*It's not just you. Take [[happy number]], for example. The lead paragraph does a good job of explaining what that is. The rest of the article? I have no idea what it says. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 15:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*:Be quiet, [https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4b2e1507-9f1f-499b-90df-d158c04008fe you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*::Well, ''somebody's'' an unhappy number today. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 16:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|Are we trying to educate? Or just provide information on a topic?}}{{snd}}For better or worse (see [[WP:NOTTEXTBOOK]]): |
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::Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference, not a textbook. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts, not to teach subject matter. Articles should not read like textbooks, with leading questions and systematic problem solutions as examples. These belong on our sister projects ... |
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:In other words, our target audience is apparently trained mathematicians who, for unaccountable reasons, have momentarily forgotten what Euclidean distance is while remembering everything else. Now consider something written by the late lamented [[Andrew Gleason]]: |
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::It is notoriously difficult to convey the proper impression of the frontiers of mathematics to nonspecialists. Ultimately the difficulty stems from the fact that mathematics is an easier subject than the other sciences. Consequently, many of the important primary problems of the subject{{mdashb}}that is, problems which can be understood by an intelligent outsider{{mdashb}}have either been solved or carried to a point where an indirect approach is clearly required. The great bulk of pure mathematical research is concerned with secondary, tertiary, or higher-order problem, the very statement of which can hardly be understood until one has mastered a great deal of technical mathematics. |
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:I think the combination of the two explains your (quite common) experience of our math articles. Of course, on top of all that, a lot of our articles are incomplete or just plain badly written, and in math or science{{snd}}unlike (say) history{{snd}}a single hiccup on a key point can make the entire rest of the article unintelligible. What to do about all this, I do not know; better minds than mine, say {{U|David Eppstein}}'s, have put more thought into than I have. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::This complaint about technicality of mathematics is a common one, both here and elsewhere: see the famous incident of Euclid, Ptolemy, and the royal road to geometry. Usually when I see this sort of complaint on specific Wikipedia articles it indicates that the complainer doesn't appreciate that some important topics in mathematics really are necessarily difficult, but I think the two examples above about Euclidean distance and happy numbers are indeed more technical than they need to be. Some of us really do put a lot of effort into making mathematics articles accessible, but it's difficult to write both nontechnically and informatively on these topics, and some other editors are more enthusiastic about putting in as much technical detail as they can. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 17:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::I share these concerns about readability, and here's a link to an earlier discussion on the same topic: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=963967496#Shouldn't_our_math_(and_other_highly_technical)_articles_be_accessible_to_non-experts?]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
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{{ping|ProcrastinatingReader}} I took a cut at improving [[Euclidean distance]]: see [[Special:Diff/984459159]]. We'll see if the change sticks, or if someone inexplicably prefers the older version... I don't care enough about decimal-based concepts to do the same thing for [[happy number]], sorry. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|David Eppstein}}, wow, that is neat! Current version turned out even better than I was mentally picturing an improvement to look. Nice touch on swapping out the main image too - the old one had wayy too much going on as the intro pic. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 15:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::I have the best {{tps}}s. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
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: I clarified the occurrence of a duplicated big number in [[happy number]], perhaps that will make them even happier. --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 00:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment == |
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::::::::::::These are difficult times. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== You must be joking.. == |
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https://writing.wisc.edu/handbook/grammarpunct/semicolons/#:~:text=A%20semicolon%20is%20most%20commonly,given%20equal%20position%20or%20rank. |
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I wasn't joking. My interpretation of semicolon usage is the same as in the above link, and the edit was also in good faith![[User:MattSucci|MattSucci]] ([[User talk:MattSucci|talk]]) 11:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}} {{u|MattSucci}}, "a serious complication" isn't an [[independent clause]]. If it had been written "While recuperating he suffered a [[pulmonary embolism]], physicians consider pulmonary embolism a serious complication" it would have needed a semicolon or recasting. [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 13:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::And I was joking when I said you must be joking. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Also that Google search #:~: junk in urls needs to be killed with fire. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::While I share your sentiment about google url debris in general (especially when it's surfaced onto the rendered page), I find the new text search feature quite handy ''when used judiciously''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:40, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Skeptoid == |
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I can't find the sentence in [[WP:EL]] that says Skeptoid is "not the sort of thing we link to", especially since it is "pretty good". Please help. – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 17:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{tq|one should generally avoid providing external links to ... Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article.}} I said it's pretty good because it's lively and incorporates the latest research instead of rehashing the usual tired fictions about Gage being a vagrant psychopath and so on (though it does contain some minor fictional flourishes of the author's own). But there's nothing factual in it not already in the article. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::You're welcome. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Your pardon. I thought you said [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3028oDEKZo4 Schizoid Man]. <small> the foregoing not about any current US president. Perish the thought</small> --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 18:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Yes it is. At this late date there's no more need to beat around the bush. He's a narcissistic sociopath. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Trouble is this all started when we ''failed'' to beat "the Bush'' --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 20:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Yo Ho, tell it! Both of you... <b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 01:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment == |
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:Well aren't you sweet! There's more to do but I pooped out. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC) |
:Well aren't you sweet! There's more to do but I pooped out. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== I use an Underwood == |
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[[File:Underwood_1921.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|You devil, you!]] |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=986765126&oldid=986275218 {{smiley}}] [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 22:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== ANI == |
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Please remember to respect other users when commenting at [[WP:ANI]]. Thank you. Regards, [[User:Firestar464|Firestar464]] ([[User talk:Firestar464|talk]]) 07:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:(In my Peter Sellers voice) ''Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is ANI!'' --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 10:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Open for discussion == |
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[[File:Trump at Florida Rally.png|thumb|THE OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE COUNTING ROOMS. I WON THE ELECTION. I DID. ME ME ME. SHOUTING IN CAPS MAKES YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT. MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE SENT TO SQUIRRELS! WAAAH! WAAAH! WAAH!]] |
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I'm puzzled by something, and I'm hoping some among my glittering salon of {{tps}}s can explain. Here goes{{nbsp}}... |
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Everyone knows the Democrats stole the 2020 presidential election from poor Donald Trump. But why didn't they steal all those Senate and House and gubernatorial races while they were at it? I mean even just in Georgia{{nbsp}}... since they rigged the presidential count in Georgia, why didn't they rig the two Georgia Senate races too? Then they'd control the Senate. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:Have you checked the price of 4AM stealthy ballot boxes? Even the Democrats aren't made of money. ~ [[User:Mazca|<span style="color:#228b22">'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]</sup> 23:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:Ah, the perfidy of American voters, supporting a variety of people, versus blindly supporting a "party". What were they thinking? Each politician is an individual, with their own (hopefully) worthy beliefs? Perish the thought, what a novel concept! Perhaps voters wished to "form a more perfect union". Such dreadful revolutionary thinking....<b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 23:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:If you want to know the mysteries of [[Special:CentralAuth/Everyone|Everyone]], just [[:tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Everyone|ask]]. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 00:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::YOU NEED TO SHOUT IN CAPS! IT MAKES YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT! IF TRUMP DOES IT, IT MUST BE TRUE! On a more serious note <small>(is that allowed on this page?)</small>, I just don't just want Trump kicked out of office, or even just dragged out of the White House in handcuffs on tax fraud charges ... I want the '''entire concept''' of supporting Trump to be comical as saying you like to have sexual intercourse with hamsters. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::#What's wrong with hamsters? (I'm trisexual: I keep trying, and trying, and trying.) |
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::#About all those down-ballot races, I've actually found myself wondering along the lines of a bit of a conspiracy theory of my own. Why did the pre-election polls get Colorado ''right'', but so much else wrong? Is it because Colorado uses a paper ballot-based system, rather than touch-screen machines? Yeah, the election was stolen, but by the GOP. Really, some voting machines are crazy easy to manipulate without leaving a trace. (Now Tryptofish takes off tin foil hat.) |
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::#Maybe I'll eventually calm down, but anyone who says that they are pro-family and pro-life while defending the separation of little children from their parents at the southern border does not deserve to breathe oxygen. I know we should all make an effort to reach out and heal, but I'm having a hard time getting there. |
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::#But then again: Dems have got to stop talking about defunding the police and similar idiotic shit. Sorry, but some of our wounds are self-inflicted. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::{{yo|Tryptofish}}, per #3: I am with you. It's as though once an infant is born, no care, thought or support is given to its continued existence. ("Supporting life" would include pre-natal care, family leave, access to food, housing and medical care.) It's dreadful to consider the cruelty and trauma inflicted on these children. This is an "anti-family" stance, which has tormented innocent children and their helpless parents. Distressed, <b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 01:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Republicans care so very, very much about children before they're born, but they don't give a shit about them after they're born. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yes, this is the truth. A number of years ago, a study showed that the states with the most restrictive abortion laws, also provided the least amount of public assistance to single mothers, etc. <b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 02:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I'm moved to add: 5. Trump was defeated by Biden. Soundly. That's something worth celebrating. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::I really ''must'' take issue with [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:EEng&curid=52300042&diff=988199132&oldid=987939743 this]. Absolutely untrue. Fake news. It's been "touched and '''gone'''" since long before. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Remarkable == |
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I want to thank you more emphatically than with just a one-click "thanks" for bringing up Jarndyce and Jarndyce on ANI.[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=987455245] It made me very happy. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 15:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC). |
I want to thank you more emphatically than with just a one-click "thanks" for bringing up Jarndyce and Jarndyce on ANI.[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=987455245] It made me very happy. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 15:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC). |
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:Glad to oblige, though I was ensnared in just such a case so my feelings are more mixed. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC) |
:Glad to oblige, though I was ensnared in just such a case so my feelings are more mixed. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== KILL KILL KILL == |
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Police officers!<br> |
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KILL KILL KILL!<br> |
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I want Peace<br> |
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You want Peace. --sound bites, Ministry, ''[[The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste]]'' <br> |
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Your velcome. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 15:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Deepfriedokra}} Consider the 1998 address to [[UNCF]], by VP Dan Quayle, who stated: "And you take the U.N.C.F. model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." Amazing words of wisdom...some brain cells died in the cause...<b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 02:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::Proving that my talk page has grown to the point that it is no longer necessary to make new posts, but rather simply reference prior posts: [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=976812399]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Opps, sorry, I do not stalk on a regular basis, and did not intend to be tiresomely repetitive! Do you think that the space aliens who view your page, will "beam up" DQ first?<b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 04:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::(edit conflict) :::Thanks for asking deities, saints, etc., to assist in closing the WP:ELEM thread at ANI. It seems that your heartfelt pleas (and those of others) were answered. Lighting a candle...<b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 04:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I do not know what the aliens have against [[Dairy Queen]], but I consider it my my ninth favorite fast food chain, right after [[A&W Root Beer]]. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 04:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Very good point...I think the aliens might be searching for some tasty? food, if they beamed up "the real" DQ! You are obviously a connoisseur of fast food...ninth favorite? You made me laugh, thanks! <b>[[User:Tribe of Tiger|<span style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Tribe of Tiger</span>]] [[User Talk:Tribe of Tiger|<sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!</sup>]]</b> 04:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Aliens don't eat fast-food because, quite simply, a waist is a terrible thing to mind. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 11:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Here's your sign == |
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[[File:Ass off the grass yard sign.jpg|thumb|150px]] |
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This [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk&list=RDZBjelRDKHUk&index=1 YouTube link] goes with it. Bill Engvall's - Stupid People (Here's Your Sign) jokes - real world examples of the [[principle of least astonishment]]. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:When I consume too much grass, I fall on my ass. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:50, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Template editor right == |
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:::The specific objections I have to the edits is a separate discussion to the procedural one here, and I wish editors would not mix them as it benefits neither. A discussion on the talk page was just opened, and I'll participate there. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC) |
:::The specific objections I have to the edits is a separate discussion to the procedural one here, and I wish editors would not mix them as it benefits neither. A discussion on the talk page was just opened, and I'll participate there. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I appreciate the strikes and so on, but still this thread has been a complete waste of time. You should have just commented on the edits and saved everyone all this distraction; if you wanted to say, in opening such a discussion, "might have been better to have have discussed these changes first", that would have been fine. The high transclusion count, where those transclusions are outside article space, is of no significance unless you think the result is affirmatively objectionable, not just capable-of-being-improved (and I'll not that most participants at the talk page seem to think that the changes were improvements ''on balance'' over the old text, so in point of fact it would have been better for you to have left them while further improvements were discussed). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC) |
::::I appreciate the strikes and so on, but still this thread has been a complete waste of time. You should have just commented on the edits and saved everyone all this distraction; if you wanted to say, in opening such a discussion, "might have been better to have have discussed these changes first", that would have been fine. The high transclusion count, where those transclusions are outside article space, is of no significance unless you think the result is affirmatively objectionable, not just capable-of-being-improved (and I'll not that most participants at the talk page seem to think that the changes were improvements ''on balance'' over the old text, so in point of fact it would have been better for you to have left them while further improvements were discussed). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Civility == |
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Is not a joke, its a policy. You could have said what you wanted in a way that would not have antagonised. |
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"if it stops the same question being asked 15 times a day its doing its job".[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=989414577] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Joe Biden == |
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Hi EEng. I know you didn't change the caption from "official portrait". That was done when the photo [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Joe_Biden&diff=990063915&oldid=990047874 was changed] from the uncropped version to the cropped one (which was a poor assessment of consensus, IMO). I didn't mean to suggest that you did that. Also, I didn't say you don't know what MOS:IMAGESIZE means. I chose my words carefully knowing that you wrote it and have used it to justify similar changes in the past. ― [[User:Tartan357|<span style="color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 05:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=990396660] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:43, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, I shouldn't have handled this the way I did. I'm genuinely trying to understand IMGSIZE now but am just not seeing the details in it that you're invoking. I'll listen if you're willing to try explaining it further at [[Talk:Joe Biden]]. ― [[User:Tartan357|<span style="color:#990000">'''''Tartan357'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tartan357|<span style="color:#224434">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 23:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Your abject apology and pound of flesh are accepted, and I have recalled the killer robot drones. I'll answer over at Talk:JB. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Limerick, Harvard, FBDB == |
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::::I'm wondering if we could get away with the limerick if we made this the April 1st POTD? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">'''[[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]])</sup><sub>Has about 7.7% of all [[WP:FP|FPs]]</sub></span> 11:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC) |
::::I'm wondering if we could get away with the limerick if we made this the April 1st POTD? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">'''[[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]])</sup><sub>Has about 7.7% of all [[WP:FP|FPs]]</sub></span> 11:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Smart. It might work as "truthful whimsy" -- see [[Wikipedia_talk:April_Fool%27s_Main_Page#The_Ground_Rules]]. Perhaps the entirety of the text/caption for the image could be simply and only the limerick, with the link behind it taking the reader to the article. But the article needs work, really it does. I'll be happy to help but with the Harvard Archives closed it may be tough to do a good job. That's unfortunate, because my spidey sense tell me that [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvgroup11687/catalog], being a scrapbook by alumni, might have interesting biographical details. By the way [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347830/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork366376/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347831/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347829/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347821/catalog]. (She apparently spent a lot of time at the beach.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC) |
:::::Smart. It might work as "truthful whimsy" -- see [[Wikipedia_talk:April_Fool%27s_Main_Page#The_Ground_Rules]]. Perhaps the entirety of the text/caption for the image could be simply and only the limerick, with the link behind it taking the reader to the article. But the article needs work, really it does. I'll be happy to help but with the Harvard Archives closed it may be tough to do a good job. That's unfortunate, because my spidey sense tell me that [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvgroup11687/catalog], being a scrapbook by alumni, might have interesting biographical details. By the way [http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347830/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork366376/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347831/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347829/catalog][http://id.lib.harvard.edu/via/olvwork347821/catalog]. (She apparently spent a lot of time at the beach.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Greetings == |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | ~ Happy Holidays ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 14:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Here, have a sticker, funny man == |
== Here, have a sticker, funny man == |
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::[https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjFmL29qKztAhWTHH0KHWGEAEgYABABGgJwdg&ae=2&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2O-6MGQEwy8tj3lD3hJmfrG734wZgVrbdu5HjTf0XJgLE23RVWnIgZ5cKP2-xB1y96Rs3zNHdpgqmZIszxsw&sig=AOD64_1C8EE5vEFTyE_K4UIKYOObPQZIHA&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwinqrW9qKztAhXlNX0KHS0ABy8Q0Qx6BAgSEAE Re:"Fossils can be used for dating"] [[User:Primergrey|Primergrey]] ([[User talk:Primergrey|talk]]) 08:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC) |
::[https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjFmL29qKztAhWTHH0KHWGEAEgYABABGgJwdg&ae=2&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2O-6MGQEwy8tj3lD3hJmfrG734wZgVrbdu5HjTf0XJgLE23RVWnIgZ5cKP2-xB1y96Rs3zNHdpgqmZIszxsw&sig=AOD64_1C8EE5vEFTyE_K4UIKYOObPQZIHA&q&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwinqrW9qKztAhXlNX0KHS0ABy8Q0Qx6BAgSEAE Re:"Fossils can be used for dating"] [[User:Primergrey|Primergrey]] ([[User talk:Primergrey|talk]]) 08:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== What are your views on soft fruit == |
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[[File:ThePolice 2007.jpg|thumb|upright=.7|By your command. DFO]] |
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Plums, peaches and cherries. Your insight would be valuable. [[User:Simon Adler|Simon Adler]] ([[User talk:Simon Adler|talk]]) 06:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:<small><small><small>Someone call the ''police!'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</small></small></small> |
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::[[Self-Defence Against Fresh Fruit|Now... I eat the banana]] --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 11:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Hands of God and Justice == |
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[[WP:OTD]] reports that today is the anniversary of the [[Coronation of Napoleon I]] in 1804. Reading the article, I saw this fine painting: |
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[[File:Ingres, Napoleon on his Imperial throne.jpg|center|thumb|upright=1.2|[[Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres]]'s ''[[Napoleon I on His Imperial Throne]]'']] |
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And I wondered: ''what is that staff he is holding in his left hand?'' Turns out, it is the ''[[French Crown Jewels#Main de Justice (Hand of Justice)|Main de Justice]]'' or "Hand of Justice": |
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[[File:Main Justice Louvre.jpg|center|thumb|upright=1.2|Back of the [[French Crown Jewels#Main de Justice (Hand of Justice)|Hand of Justice]]]] |
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[[File:Hand of justice Louvre MS85.jpg|center|thumb|upright=1.2|Another angle.]] |
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The hand is making the "blessing gesture" or [[List of gestures|benediction gesture]], typical of the [[Hand of God (art)|Hand of God motif in art]]. |
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[[File:Hand gottes.jpg|center|thumb|upright=1.2|[[Fresco]] from [[Sant Climent de Taüll]], [[Catalonia]], [[Spain]], an example of the [[Hand of God (art)|Hand of God motif]]]] |
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[[File:BambergGregoryUnkFolDedicationMin.jpg|center|thumb|upright=1.2|Can you spot the Hand of God in this {{nowrap|11th-century}} [[presentation miniature]] from [[St Gregory]]'s ''[[Moralia in Job]]''?]] |
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Cheers, [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 07:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[The finger|''Further information'']]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::<small>^That page is replete with genuinely funny images; I considered posting one here, but couldn't decide which one. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:32, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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::Countries where the ruler is nominally an vessel for God's will usually have some kind of magic wand through which they can fire the Will of God like a ray-gun in their formal ceremonial regalia. The British equivalents are the [https://www.rct.uk/collection/31713/the-sovereigns-sceptre-with-dove Sceptre with Dove] (the dove represents the Holy Ghost) and the [https://www.royal.uk/honours-scotland Sceptre of Scotland] (the dolphin represents Jesus); the Holy Roman Empire used [[:File:Weltliche Schatzkammer Wien (180)-3-2.jpg|this thing]] which they dubiously claimed was the [[Spear of Longinus]], the Russian Tsars used [[:File:Russian Imperial Crown.svg|a ridiculous hat decorated with a cross and palm leaves]], and the Papacy [[:File:Francis Inauguration fc10.jpg|goes route one with a big cross on a stick]]. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 18:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::"Pray for the starving children while I hold this gold cross" is one of the [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/52/85/7d5285ba56155a10808d295e89bd968e.jpg all time best memes]. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 19:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::To be fair, starving children can't eat gold so it might as well be put to some use. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::To be fair, [[Edible gold|they can]], but they might not be able to afford it. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::::<small>(off on a tangent; this one was something along the lines of 'what offends religious people')</small> A [[Mike Resnick|friend's father]] used to sit in church and when the congregation was called to take communion would whisper "Now is the time for the ritual cannibalism." Parishioners sitting nearby did not appreciate this. He was a complete jackass, but funny's funny. [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 19:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::<small>OMG! Memorialized on the user! I'm somebody! [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 23:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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:Exercise for better searchers than me: I recall several years ago someone stealthily replaced the various uses of that painting with ones where the wand was altered to [[Shocker (hand gesture)|a slightly different hand gesture]]. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 00:39, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::The hand on a stick thing that Napoleon has in the picture seems an ideal instrument for eating soft fruit while being made Emperor. It must have been hot with all those furs and robes so snacking on some delicious grapes or cherries dangling from the fingers must have been welcome refreshment. Fruit played an important part in Bounaparte's career prior to this anyway. We all recall that he promised the citizens of Paris that they would have "A whiff of grapefruit". [[User:Simon Adler|Simon Adler]] ([[User talk:Simon Adler|talk]]) 01:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== For one of the museums == |
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[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Southern_Comfort&diff=992034365&oldid=991432854] [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 03:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:If Janis Joplin had drunk Southern Comfort ''not'' to excess, THAT would be worth mentioning in the article. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== This is going to slip under the radar for you == |
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I am [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive817&action=history linking to this diff] instead of letting you discover it on your own. I know you like a nice blend of irony, useless gnoming, and a nicely worded edit summary, perhaps with a splash of vermouth. (BYOV.) – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
I am [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive817&action=history linking to this diff] instead of letting you discover it on your own. I know you like a nice blend of irony, useless gnoming, and a nicely worded edit summary, perhaps with a splash of vermouth. (BYOV.) – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Oh ''WOW'', man! So ''meta!'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC) |
:Oh ''WOW'', man! So ''meta!'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Help me Obi-Wan == |
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I cannot figure out how to write this sentence for the life of me. The words "Syrian Kurdistan" refer to three non-contiguous areas in Syria. How do I write that without "refer to"? "Syrian Kurdistan is three non-contiguous areas..." is wrong. "Syrian Kurdistan are three non-contiguous areas..." is wrong. "Syrian Kurdistan refers to three non-contiguous areas..." is poorly written. Please help. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 07:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*[[Commentarii de Bello Gallico|Syrian Kurdistan is divided into three disconnected parts]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 08:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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**Write it in Latin! Why didn't I think of that! ''Syrian Kurdistan est omnis divisa in partes tres''. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 17:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*''"Comprises"'' <s>(or ''"is [[comprised of]]"'')</s>? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 09:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*[https://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/timespeak-backward-ran-sentences-until-reeled-the-mind/ Filling in for Obi_Wan while he is in rehab I am. Work well, I think "Syrian Kurdistan consists of" would.] {{mdash}}[[User:EEng|Yoda]] |
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*Three non-contiguous regions comprise Syrian Kurdistan, including [[Afrin Canton]], [[Kobanî Canton]] and [[Cizîrê Canton]]. (But don't name them if that's what the fight is all about.) 😳 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 14:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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**I think those aren't the names of most of those places any longer (the "cantons" lasted for about three years), and by the time this sentence is written, the names will change again. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 17:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Thanks everyone! Those are great suggestions. One thing I should have mentioned is that the sentence at issue is the ''first'' sentence of the article, defining "Syrian Kurdistan". Do my learned colleagues think there is a problem with starting an article with "Foo is divided/comprises/consists of ..."? |
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As you can see, this an application of the difficulty stemming from Levivich's First Postulate of Asian Regional Politics: "For any two Asian countries 'Foo' and 'Bar', there exists at least one centuries-long conflict involving 'Fooian Bars' and at least one centuries-long conflict involving 'Barian Foos'." [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 17:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:I think there was a Dr. Seuss book about that. I'd stay away from ''divided'' -- too many political overtones. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:According to [[Comprised of#Semantics|that article]], if I understand it correctly, ''"Syrian Kurdistan comprises three non-contiguous regions"'' and ''"Syrian Kurdistan is composed of three non-contiguous regions"'' are preferable to ''"Three non-contiguous regions comprise Syrian Kurdistan"''. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 18:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:As ''Syrian Kurdistan'' is a term of reference more than an actual thing, I prefer that you retreat back to ''refers to''. If it was a defined political entity, you could say it ''consists of'' or ''is comprised of'' (''comprise'' in my dictionary applies to both the elements and the compound), but to my ear it is annoyingly passive (who did this comprising? when did the separate regions comprise themselves together?). The term ''is divided into'' is only proper, I say, if there are two parts, not three, but the passive voice still grates. The article as it is today leans me to ''the term ... refers to.'' Great question, thanks. [[User:Mcmangold|Marty Mangold]] ([[User talk:Mcmangold|talk]]) 01:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== MOS:ERA == |
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So it was for nothing that I dived into a muddy foxhole after posting that because ''any'' change to the MOS (but to MOS:ERA in particular) usually results in a squadron of B52s loaded with napalm in response. :-D --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 18:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::We all definitely need some quiet time! I hope that all is well with you, EEng. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC) |
::We all definitely need some quiet time! I hope that all is well with you, EEng. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Sorry I misinterpreted the point of your message == |
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Sorry I misinterpreted the point of your message. For some reason, I thought you were suggesting mentorship. I was unaware that you were suggesting that I warn him or get him to find something else to do. I just finished one of my last semesters of college, and I am on a nasty medication right now. I am unsure if getting him to do new things will be effective in preventing disruption because he seems to be having issues with just about everything. Even if I was certain that redirecting his interests would help, I do not think I am the person to do this because I have never been so involved in a situation like this before. Thank you for your time. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 12:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Yeah I tried to fix it up somewhat... Have at it. There's a "Lincoln Smiled When He Died" SPA/LTA from the UK that keeps on adding miles & miles of text about how Lincoln smiled when he died to any and all somewhat-associated articles...and that ''is'' what some observers said but the walls o'text & overloaded cites on the matter certainly don't belong wholesale in an article about Leale. Cripes I'm surprised someone hasn't said they saw angels come down and sing hymns around that bed in the Petersen House...but I digress. Just wanted to say thanks for looking in on it. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 08:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Though I've restored ''American'' into the intros at [[Joe Biden]] & [[Kamala Harris]]. I doubt I'll overly protest, should your revert those restorations. Afterall, your preferred version will likely get more attention, as those two bios will continue to get increasing attention. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 01:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:I appreciate your taking the time to contact me. Perhaps you've seen the essay [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=996036329&oldid=993504600 WP:ASTONISHME]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::You should setup an archive bot for your talkpage. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 14:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::<small>[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/14/republicans-election-donald-trump-fire] Just like the [[Burning of Washington|Good Old Days]]? Only about [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55569604 2 months too late]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC) </small> |
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==<small><small><small>''Season's Greetings''</small></small></small>== |
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:X</font> Have a good holiday [[User:EEng]]! Si. [[User:Simon Adler|Simon Adler]] ([[User talk:Simon Adler|talk]]) 03:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)</font> |
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<center>🔔🎁⛄️🎅🏻 <small>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 03:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)</small></center> |
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:Can I steal this [[User:Atsme|Atsme]]? I still have a lot of colleagues to bore with unimaginative greetings cards, so I would like to shamelessly co-opt your creativity. Can we come to some arrangement? I will do anything..LOL. Si [[User:Simon Adler|Simon Adler]] ([[User talk:Simon Adler|talk]]) 04:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::Absolutely - have fun with it! Also check out [[User:Atsme/Banners]] where you may find more. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 04:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:For a moment I thought the heading was ''Happy holes'' but then I looked again and was disappointed.{{pb}}I'm sure Denis would have felt better about it if, instead of being paid a pittance, he was making those delivery for nothing{{snd}}bringing a ray of sunshine into the life of a forgotten shut-in, as you're doing. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
:For a moment I thought the heading was ''Happy holes'' but then I looked again and was disappointed.{{pb}}I'm sure Denis would have felt better about it if, instead of being paid a pittance, he was making those delivery for nothing{{snd}}bringing a ray of sunshine into the life of a forgotten shut-in, as you're doing. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::I promise you are not forgotten by me. Let's all hope for a new year that will be better than the stinker that is coming to an end. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
::I promise you are not forgotten by me. Let's all hope for a new year that will be better than the stinker that is coming to an end. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Eggnog, schmegnog! == |
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Tryptofish has brought you some of the hard stuff! At this time of year, nothing less will do! Cheers! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Hi, Tfish. And may I say it's nice to see that your absence was only temporary. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thanks! Let's call it "conditional", as opposed to "temporary". But metaphorically lifting a metaphorical glass with a genuine friend is always a condition that I'll show up for. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC) |
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==Merry Christmas!== |
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{{font|text=''Hello, EEng! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a [[Merry Christmas]] and a [[Happy New Year]]!''|font=Times New Roman|size=19px}}<br><span style="font-family:Cursive"><b style="color:orange">Linguist111</b>[[User talk:Linguist111|<sup style="color:purple">talk</sup>]]</span> 23:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*::::::Thank you davidwr. [[User talk:Ceoil|<span style="color:#006633">Ceoil</span>]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 04:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*:::::::Indeed, thanks. That is exactly the one; I even remember the stone. I was actually going to say Concord, because a friend in college was a docent at [[Minuteman National Park]] and gave us a tour. That tells me I've been carrying that around in my head for 42 years. The human mind is amazing. <small>But I still can't remember where I put my glasses.</small> [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
*:::::::Indeed, thanks. That is exactly the one; I even remember the stone. I was actually going to say Concord, because a friend in college was a docent at [[Minuteman National Park]] and gave us a tour. That tells me I've been carrying that around in my head for 42 years. The human mind is amazing. <small>But I still can't remember where I put my glasses.</small> [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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I just re-read that, it sounds even creepier the second time around. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
I just re-read that, it sounds even creepier the second time around. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Every few days I think about the four sock puppet accounts that were created to assert that a 14th-century medieval composer and poet [[Talk:Guillaume de Machaut#Fear of water.|was scared of water]]. Is this EEng level of humor? I feel distraught that the world does not know the truth of what occurred... is Machaut really scared of water? Are you scared of water... am I? Maybe the truth is that we're all scared of water? I wonder if that posture has something to do with it... [[User:Aza24|Aza24]] ([[User talk:Aza24|talk]]) 23:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Actually, the way I see it the guy's either on the verge of belching or is miming that he has heartburn. Otherwise, to be honest, I can make neither heads nor tails of what you're saying. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:14, 27 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::Perhaps he had [[Rabies|hydrophobia]], not to be confused with [[aquaphobia]], although I find that hard to swallow. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 20:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::But no need for [[trypophobia]]! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:Well I feel it's the least I can to do make up for all the man-hours lost to the project because of editors sitting waiting for my talk page to load. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
:Well I feel it's the least I can to do make up for all the man-hours lost to the project because of editors sitting waiting for my talk page to load. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::"fo shizzle ma dizzle". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yay!! [[Miracle on 34th Street|Maureen O'Hara]]'s got nothing on you, EEng. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::This is very disruptive, I'm very upset. The large amount of archiving resulted in a large number of changes on my watchlist. As a result, my watchlist suffered a severe outbreak of hives.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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First of all: holy shit the page loaded in under ten seconds! All right! :-D |
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But more importantly, you'll recall the ANI haikus of years past. Today, I learned that there's a bot on reddit called "haikusbot" that goes around ''detecting'' haikus in other people's comments and pointing them out. I was reading this /r/madden thread (don't judge) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Madden/comments/idm4jy/madden_21_playbooks_every_formation_and_play_in/] and someone wrote: |
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:{{tq2|''Did they fix this game,''<br>''Or is it the same trash they''<br>''Shit out every year?''<br>- haterrage<br>I detect haikus. Sometimes, successfully. [https://www.reddit.com/r/haikusbot/ Learn more about me]}} |
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What a brilliant use of technology! Wikipedia needs this. ANI needs this. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] <sup>[[User talk:Levivich|harass]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Levivich|hound]]</sub> 16:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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I have had EEng's talk and userpage on my Watchlist for two months because they are the most fun places on Wikipedia.
My friend told me that the best way to get a man would be to impress him with my ability to crush a can so forcefully that the contents shoot out, fly up in the air and land in my mouth, so every morning I do yoga, swim and then come here for 40 mins scrolling to the bottom of EEng's talk page; my right forearm looks like Popeye's now and it's done wonders for my love life.
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Don't be a tease
You recently teased some trivia questions about MIT in this thread at ANI. I tried using Google, but Mr. Google and I have a love/hate relationship and he offered no assistance (maybe he's tired of being used and tossed aside). Will we ever find out what the answers are now that the thread has been closed? Or will I have another sleepless night wondering why Mr. Google refuses to answer my questions?— Isaidnoway (talk) 21:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- Surely you don't imagine I'd pose a shibboleth you can look up on Google. I'd like to give him a day or two to show off his knowledge [6] before I open the secret envelope. For some reason these poseurs often think they can get away with an MIT imposture (this one was a "professor in the MIT system, with a JD in IP and a PhD in molecular biology and supercomputing" who had "armies of grad students and PhD candidates who work in my labs" – "I'm a computer lawyer" seems to be a common fantasy) but rarely, for some reason, Harvard. You can always tell a Harvard man, I guess. EEng 05:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am hoarding all of the juicy secret information that I hold close to the vest, known only to the select few who attended the City College of San Francisco, San Francisco State University and the glorious University of San Francisco. These Cambridge nerds like my brother-in-law must be put in their places. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- You're going to think I'm making this up, but UCSF's Laurel Heights Campus is build over the cemetery where ol' Phineas Gage was originally buried. Cross my heart. EEng 06:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- As a very young man (after high school but before college), I worked at Kaiser Hospital on Geary Boulevard, where they were digging up Gold Rush era graves during relentless medical center expansions. Mind you, I was not there during the actual Gold Rush. But they needed to create a special city, Colma, California, to accommodate all of the exhumed graves. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yes indeed. Colma has 1800 living residents and 1.5 million dead; the town's (unofficial?) motto is "It's great to be alive in Colma!" For the full story see the source cited here [7], and there's a nice map of the four cemeteries that used to surround Lone Mountain here [8]; Gage was buried in "Laurel Hill Cemetery" (which was itself called simply "Lone Mountain Cemetery" until its name was changed in the mid-1860s). EEng 18:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- As a very young man (after high school but before college), I worked at Kaiser Hospital on Geary Boulevard, where they were digging up Gold Rush era graves during relentless medical center expansions. Mind you, I was not there during the actual Gold Rush. But they needed to create a special city, Colma, California, to accommodate all of the exhumed graves. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- You're going to think I'm making this up, but UCSF's Laurel Heights Campus is build over the cemetery where ol' Phineas Gage was originally buried. Cross my heart. EEng 06:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am hoarding all of the juicy secret information that I hold close to the vest, known only to the select few who attended the City College of San Francisco, San Francisco State University and the glorious University of San Francisco. These Cambridge nerds like my brother-in-law must be put in their places. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- (Attention, Isaidnoway...) Our ex-lecturer–lawyer having demurred to respond, here are the answers to the four posers posed at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#Personal_attacks_by_User:BostonBowTie:
- (1) Immediately as you leave MIT for Harvard there's a sign that famously provides an unintentional pun when seen from just the right vantage. What is it? Answer: The metropolitan storage warehouse — fire proof next to the railroad tracks, which if you stand in just the right place reads rage warehouse — ire proof. Photo at [9]. It's now student housing.
- (2) According to tradition, one MIT president had some famous last words. What were they? Answer: "Bituminous coal", according to legend the last words of MIT founder William Barton Rogers before he dropped dead on the commencement dais. See [10].
- (3) What MIT library makes you go around in circles? Answer: Barker Library, inside the Great Dome; see the map here [11].
- (4) What was kept overnight in a car trunk during the Apollo 13 emergency? Answer: MIT's copy of the Apollo guidance system's gyros, to verify their performance at very low temperatures. Search "trunk" in [12]. (If you like that sort of thing at all then this book [13] is outstanding.)
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Big Telecom conspiracy
I've just got new, faster, wizz-bang high speedier internet installed. Guess what I did to test the speed? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 07:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- "Like my new laptop? This baby can do 10.8 EEngtalks!" EEng 10:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- You made a cup of coffee but managed to drink only half of it before this page successfully loaded? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -Roxy, the dog. wooF 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- With my Ye Olde Worlde UK internet, I can usually manage a whole cafetiere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -Roxy, the dog. wooF 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Is it possible?
Hi EE. Do you think we could dub over Steve's voice here to say "another wrestling thread at ANI?" :-) In another bit of fun they have a festival where they reenact that scene every year. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow! It's even better in Spanish! EEng 02:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Why do I not see you at RfA?
There's an RfA going on right now and I'm wondering. Why do you never !vote in RfAs? SemiHypercube 01:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- (a) The fawning nominating statements make me want to vomit.
- (b) My only criterion for adminship is that the person not be an idiot or an asshole, and if you oppose you have to say why, but you're not allowed to say someone's an idiot or an asshole.
- (c) They're like super-serious over there and don't allow jokes.
- EEng 07:38, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to nominate EEng, so he can block himself. [FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Planetoid_crashing_into_primordial_Earth.jpg/200px-Planetoid_crashing_into_primordial_Earth.jpg)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Phineas_gage_-_1868_skull_diagram.jpg)
- @Tryptofish: I'm not sure if nominating EEng for adminship would be a good idea. I might support him if this page gets created, but I can hardly imagine what absolute chaos would ensue if he were nominated, let alone actually be promoted. SemiHypercube 02:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Face-crying.svg/48px-Face-crying.svg.png)
- This is very disappointing. The header turned up on my watchlist, and I took it to mean "Why do I not see you as a candidate at RFA?" So I came here fully expecting to see either a good excuse for not standing from EEng, or (better) an abject apology followed by a prompt self-nomination. (I agree about the fulsome nominations, and always give extra points to the few who self-nominate. Let's have some self-reliance and independence at RFA, people. What are the admins? A mutual admiration society? An exclusive country club?) Anyway. Please do nominate yourself! I'd certainly vote for you. (Yes, I'm too proud to use that "!vote" jargon.) Bishonen | talk 03:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC).
- If Donald Trump can become President of the United States I guess anything's possible. EEng 03:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I will vote for you if you make Wikipedia great again. PackMecEng (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Please use that as a slogan and campaign theme. MWGA Levivich? ! 05:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Of one thing, I have no doubt: It would be the best illustrated RfA ever. Imagine the images! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I know that Bishonen prefers self-nominations, but that doesn't mean that Bishzilla does too. If Bishzilla nominated EEng, I'd definitely support. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- All the bullhonky aside...HELL YEAH!!! EEng proudly wears the battlescars that were inflicted upon him by years of clueless [fill-in the blanks]. He knows what it means to be [fill-in the blanks]. He has years of experience, incredible knowledge and the wherewithal to [fill-in the blanks]. Any editor who ever doubted his ability to craft the almost perfect encyclopedic article...[fill-in the blanks]. He would be the WP symbol of the Phoenix rising...the mystical Unicorn...the ultimate [fill-in the blanks] that would attract hordes of news media. And I would damn sure vote for him because [fill-in the blanks]. 🦄 Atsme✍🏻📧 00:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
- I know that Bishonen prefers self-nominations, but that doesn't mean that Bishzilla does too. If Bishzilla nominated EEng, I'd definitely support. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Of one thing, I have no doubt: It would be the best illustrated RfA ever. Imagine the images! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Please use that as a slogan and campaign theme. MWGA Levivich? ! 05:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I will vote for you if you make Wikipedia great again. PackMecEng (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
While I appreciate the compliments, I have not the slightest interest in becoming an admin – not that there's a snowball's chance in hell of that actually happening anyway. I feel I can do more good as a member of the loyal opposition. EEng 21:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I was just editing List of accordionists (as one does) and suddenly thought I about you, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- That video is hilarious. EEng 13:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- 👏👏👏 --Tryptofish (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- I suggest that list be compressed. EEng 23:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- The problem is when it is compressed, then expanded, then compressed again, and then expanded again. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- "Donald's got a squeeze box, Melania never sleeps at night": [14] Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- "And now a word from our sponsor, A Stable Genius." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
User conduct
This and this, although I'm sure you'd already figured that out. Even without those facts, it's still blatantly obvious isn't it? ;) Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- I guess the irony of my ANI comment didn't come across. EEng 23:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Consider that this is the internet and irony that relies on prior knowledge of a person or signals such as body language and tone of voice should not be assumed. Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well, uh, duh, Mr. Pedantic Ass, thanks for filling me in! That's a great tip! EEng 19:42, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Consider that this is the internet and irony that relies on prior knowledge of a person or signals such as body language and tone of voice should not be assumed. Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Questions asked around your "snore" edit summary
Please help to improve the article to make it more interesting as per WP:BLUE WP:NPOV etc and where your comment is simply snore, please look to expand so it is not just "snore". Particularly, articles and edits that are not just "snore" may actually address complex social issues in new and innovative ways. Can you help with this mission? Mrspaceowl (talk) 10:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- "Snore" refers to the soporific effects of dealing with someone who keeps reinserting the same silly stuff against consensus. For those playing along at home, this refers to Talk:Farmers_and_Fishermen:_Two_Centuries_of_Work_in_Essex_County,_Massachusetts,_1630-1850#Good_Will_Hunting_reference. EEng 15:43, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- I can testify that EEng often drops off when conversing with me. Sometimes he seems to be asleep for weeks at a time. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
"Do this again and you'll be blocked"
On Farmers and Fishermen: Two Centuries of Work in Essex County, Massachusetts, 1630-1850 you reverted to an edit with a sentence ending in a comma that removed notable information. The reason given was 'do this again and you'll be blocked'. However, you give no reason beyond this for reverting to a sentence fragment from one that makes sense, nor have you said what you consider 'silly' about information on an academic book referenced by a major motion picture which is factual beyond doubt and supported by the most credible source imaginable. You seem to be here for WP:NOTHERE in this case. Mrspaceowl (talk) 18:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Mrs. Pace Owl, your cluelessness act is nearing perfection. Feel free to correct the comma to a period. That way at least something you do will be productive. [15] EEng 18:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your tact, respect and commitment to improving Wikipedia in this case. However, I must demur, as the subclause removed seems likely the only interesting thing about the article at present, and should be restored. Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Is this another example of confusion over "and/or"? Logically, "do this again and you'll be blocked" says both of two things should happen: you should do this again (phrased as a command), and you will be blocked (regardless of whether you do it again). "Do this again or you'll be blocked" would make more sense. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- OED: "Introducing the predicted consequence or fulfilment of a command, or of a hypothesis put imperatively, or elliptically", giving the example
Spray with Sanfect and you're safe.
EEng 20:05, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- OED: "Introducing the predicted consequence or fulfilment of a command, or of a hypothesis put imperatively, or elliptically", giving the example
- How about "if you wanna be blocked, just do this again"? (I think "ya schmuck" is an optional modifier in this construction?). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Meanwhile, this schmuck has fixed the comma and some other things. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:24, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your tact, respect and commitment to improving Wikipedia in this case. :) Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, no problem (although some editors think that I should be committed). --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, wasn't one of your great Presidents called Tact? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- No. But one of our many mediocre ones was. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, wasn't one of your great Presidents called Tact? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, no problem (although some editors think that I should be committed). --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your tact, respect and commitment to improving Wikipedia in this case. :) Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Meanwhile, this schmuck has fixed the comma and some other things. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:24, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, can you please have a look over Murder of Rachael Runyan? Thank you in advance. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Took a stab at it. EEng 16:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Stab? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- In all honestly the unfortunate background meaning did occur to me as I typed, but I was too lazy to backspace. EEng 22:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's OK. We all appreciate your cutting sense of humor. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- In all honestly the unfortunate background meaning did occur to me as I typed, but I was too lazy to backspace. EEng 22:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Stab? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Prince of Comedy
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The Barnstar of Good Humor | |
For this nugget of comedy gold. I laughed heartily. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
A beer for you!
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Scrolling through WP:DRAMABOARD, appreciated this. SITH (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
Once more
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Requesting your expertise as it relates to engaging the reader...please see Dax Cowart. I tweaked it a bit and was hoping you could help add the finishing touches for Phase 1 of what appears to be a potential DYK/GA/FA article. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- I know this case (looks like I did some editing myself a year ago) and am happy to help. I assume by now you realize that I'm likely to whittle down the detail a bit. EEng 03:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- I would not expect anything less. The article needs to be encyclopedic but in a way that the prose is engaging. What good is an article that doesn't capture an audience? I know my flaws in relation to this particular article, and I'm quite confident knowing that your exceptional writing ability (example: Phineas Gage) is exactly what the Cowart article needs. Please...perform your magic. There are numerous RS that can be cited. I truly believe the subject of this article is worth the extra mile or two it will take to get it right. Atsme✍🏻📧 04:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- As you know I specialize in gruesome accidents. EEng 04:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Didn't intend for my ulterior motives to be that obvious. Atsme✍🏻📧 00:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nice little Wikipedia article you have there. It would be a pity if anything happened to it. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- You might want to have a little protection. Otherwise, something might just get broken. We wouldn't want that to happen, would we? --Tryptofish (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Beginning with "a little protection", I've determined that it's much safer to not respond. I've been practicing safe hex. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nowadays everyone wants to be non-binary. EEng 14:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nah...you must have forgotten. I'm tri-hexual. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nowadays everyone wants to be non-binary. EEng 14:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Beginning with "a little protection", I've determined that it's much safer to not respond. I've been practicing safe hex. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Didn't intend for my ulterior motives to be that obvious. Atsme✍🏻📧 00:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- As you know I specialize in gruesome accidents. EEng 04:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- I would not expect anything less. The article needs to be encyclopedic but in a way that the prose is engaging. What good is an article that doesn't capture an audience? I know my flaws in relation to this particular article, and I'm quite confident knowing that your exceptional writing ability (example: Phineas Gage) is exactly what the Cowart article needs. Please...perform your magic. There are numerous RS that can be cited. I truly believe the subject of this article is worth the extra mile or two it will take to get it right. Atsme✍🏻📧 04:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Words matter
I don’t mind corrections here and there in stable featured articles, but I’m troubled by your words towards other users, which are often contemptuous in tone and on the verge of xenophobic. You shouldn’t go around insulting their language skills, especially when you don’t know their background. You want to help? Help, but don’t overreact. --Lecen (talk) 05:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
For those playing along at home, we're talking about a series of edits culminating in this one [16] and this one [17].
Well, let's see ... Here's the entirety of the section you think should carry the heading Decadence:
During the 1880s, Brazil continued to prosper and social diversity increased markedly, including the first organized push for women's rights. On the other hand, letters written by Pedro II reveal a man grown world-weary with age and having an increasingly alienated and pessimistic outlook. He remained respectful of his duty and was meticulous in performing the tasks demanded of the imperial office, albeit often without enthusiasm. Because of his increasing "indifference towards the fate of the regime" and his lack of action in support of the imperial system once it was challenged, historians have attributed the "prime, perhaps sole, responsibility" for the dissolution of the monarchy to the Emperor himself.After their experience of the perils and obstacles of government, the political figures who had arisen during the 1830s saw the Emperor as providing a fundamental source of authority essential for governing and for national survival. These elder statesmen began to die off or retire from government until, by the 1880s, they had almost entirely been replaced by a newer generation of politicians who had no experience of the early years of Pedro II's reign. They had only known a stable administration and prosperity and saw no reason to uphold and defend the imperial office as a unifying force beneficial to the nation. To them Pedro II was merely an old and increasingly sick man who had steadily eroded his position by taking an active role in politics for decades. Before he had been above criticism, but now his every action and inaction prompted meticulous scrutiny and open criticism. Many young politicians had become apathetic toward the monarchic regime and, when the time came, they would do nothing to defend it. Pedro II's achievements went unremembered and unconsidered by the ruling elites. By his very success, the Emperor had made his position seem unnecessary.The lack of an heir who could feasibly provide a new direction for the nation also diminished the long-term prospects of the Brazilian monarchy. The Emperor loved his daughter Isabel, but he considered the idea of a female successor as antithetical to the role required of Brazil's ruler. He viewed the death of his two sons as being a sign that the Empire was destined to be supplanted. Resistance to accepting a female ruler was also shared by the political establishment. Even though the Constitution allowed female succession to the throne, Brazil was still very traditional, and only a male successor was thought capable as head of state.
While in obsolete usage decadence means a decline of any kind, in modern usage it always connotes moral decay, usually including self-indulgence, and there's no suggestion of anything like that in the text. After three go-rounds on this I guessed that you're not a native speaker of English, and as it turns I was correct.
I have great admiration for Dom Pedro and am glad he's well covered in WP, but featured or not these articles are prolix and repetitive. It's big of you to allow for "corrections here and there", but phrases such as
even taking a train journey solely with his wife
and passages such as
Upon his sons' early deaths, the Emperor's faith in the monarchy's future had evaporated. His trips abroad now made him resentful of the burden destiny had placed upon his shoulders when only a child of five.
show there's more than a little room for improvement. (Among other things, it's hard to imagine destiny as a child of five.)
Oh, and as it happens my boyfriend of 13 years is Brazilian so you can take your xenophobia accusations and stick them up your bunda. EEng 07:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
it's hard to imagine destiny as a child of five.
My 5 year old has a classmate named Destiny, therefore everything you said here is wrong. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)- Next you're gonna tell me your daughter's friend has children of her own. EEng 14:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'm now convinced...the burden solely rests on the shoulders of destiny. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- If anyone really wants to see decadence, then think of EEng getting a Brazilian. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- My boss was standing behind me, looking at my monitors when I accidentally mouseovered that link.
- On another note, I actually got a brazillian, once. Just to see what it was like (and to win a bet because, come on, of course there was a bet). I still have nightmares about it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry if I got you
into hot water with your bossinto trouble at work. If that was how you won the bet, I hate to imagine what the loser had to do! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC) - But the edit summary of your most recent edit at your user talk page is now my favorite edit summary. ;) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- My boss thought it was funny. I was looking at a different monitor, and when he started laughing was when I noticed it. I really should know better than to let this talk page sit in my browser while I'm not paying attention to it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Manzilian wax Only in death does duty end (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- From that page:
Hair may be removed from the penis too.
I'm wondering whose hair. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- From that page:
- I commend the brave souls willing to suffer that more than once. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Manzilian wax Only in death does duty end (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- My boss thought it was funny. I was looking at a different monitor, and when he started laughing was when I noticed it. I really should know better than to let this talk page sit in my browser while I'm not paying attention to it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry if I got you
- If anyone really wants to see decadence, then think of EEng getting a Brazilian. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'm now convinced...the burden solely rests on the shoulders of destiny. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Next you're gonna tell me your daughter's friend has children of her own. EEng 14:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- ... stick them up your bunda - shouldn't that be "stick it up your Junta"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's Argentina, not Brazil, you ignorant xenophobe.[FBDB] EEng 17:12, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I thought you might appreciate...
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Juste_de_Juste_-_Pyramid_of_Five_Men_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/220px-Juste_de_Juste_-_Pyramid_of_Five_Men_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
You can't beat been a bit of foot frot can you! (oh sorry, no, am I thinking of something else)? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
this. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- I had to thank that edit just for the sheer absurdity of it. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Absolutely. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well, if he did become chairman the caption could read "Guy Standing in the chair". EEng 16:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Or "Guy Standing in the "Stand Up..." chair. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's outrageous. I wouldn't take an edit like that sitting down, if I were you! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, but will he leave the post in good standing? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 17:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's my understanding. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, but will he leave the post in good standing? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 17:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- That's outrageous. I wouldn't take an edit like that sitting down, if I were you! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Or "Guy Standing in the "Stand Up..." chair. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well, if he did become chairman the caption could read "Guy Standing in the chair". EEng 16:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Absolutely. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Johnl1479_Leons_Frozen_Custard_Milwaukee_Wisconsin.jpg/130px-Johnl1479_Leons_Frozen_Custard_Milwaukee_Wisconsin.jpg)
- For the sake of brevity...Standing, he rose to the occasion. (I shudder to think where this might lead us). Atsme✍🏻📧 18:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Custer's Last Stand (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- For the sake of brevity...Standing, he rose to the occasion. (I shudder to think where this might lead us). Atsme✍🏻📧 18:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Why do you believe this?
May I please know why think like this of User:EEng#EEng's half-serious list of topics on which WP should just drop all coverage as not worth the drama? Do you think these are against WP:GNG? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 20:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Because we get an inordinate amount of traffic at ANI on these topics. As an ideal, Wikipedia treats all knowledge as worthy, but after the 100th weekly ANI thread asking the community to referee some stupid argument emanating from the "pro" wrestling walled garden, I'm bound to ask whether the loss to humanity if we simply didn't cover all those idiotic "matches" isn't outweighed by the gain in freeing editor time for building content in other topic areas. EEng 20:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Whether you like it or not, it's not gonna happen. Don't you think you should try to look for patterns of where these conflicts come from? Maybe just alternatively over protect those pages to avoid disruption? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 20:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Whether you like it or not, it's not gonna happen
– <rolls eyes> What part of "half-serious list" do you not understand? EEng 21:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)- Audio to go with your 🙄. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- Is it too early to set up a sweepstake over how long it's going to be before somebody blocks ImmortalWizard? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Richie333: a block for this comment? No. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, not for this comment, but if you carry on inserting yourself into conversations and being a bit of a pest, chances are eventually some admin's patience will snap. I don't suspect you'd be blocked for very long, and it would probably be overturned quickly, but still .... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: that has nothing to do with this page or EEng. If you want, come to my talk page instead. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- But, ImmortalWizard, it does have to do with your bouncing around making odd comments in random places about things you don't know anything about, and often misunderstanding the thing you're reacting to (witness this thread). Multiple people (here and at ANI) have been gently suggesting that your time at ANI would be better spent elsewhere. You are a relatively new user, and ANI is not a healthy place for anyone, most especially those without a lot of experience on the project. EEng 17:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Me bouncing around does not have to do anything with ANI. I just wanted insight to your peculiar opinion. Am I the only one who stalks your userpage and make a comment about something? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, I am a member of WP:PW which I know much about. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- That counts as knowing much about nothing. EEng 21:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, I am a member of WP:PW which I know much about. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Me bouncing around does not have to do anything with ANI. I just wanted insight to your peculiar opinion. Am I the only one who stalks your userpage and make a comment about something? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- But, ImmortalWizard, it does have to do with your bouncing around making odd comments in random places about things you don't know anything about, and often misunderstanding the thing you're reacting to (witness this thread). Multiple people (here and at ANI) have been gently suggesting that your time at ANI would be better spent elsewhere. You are a relatively new user, and ANI is not a healthy place for anyone, most especially those without a lot of experience on the project. EEng 17:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: that has nothing to do with this page or EEng. If you want, come to my talk page instead. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, not for this comment, but if you carry on inserting yourself into conversations and being a bit of a pest, chances are eventually some admin's patience will snap. I don't suspect you'd be blocked for very long, and it would probably be overturned quickly, but still .... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Richie333: a block for this comment? No. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Is it too early to set up a sweepstake over how long it's going to be before somebody blocks ImmortalWizard? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Audio to go with your 🙄. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- Whether you like it or not, it's not gonna happen. Don't you think you should try to look for patterns of where these conflicts come from? Maybe just alternatively over protect those pages to avoid disruption? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 20:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Navigating the museum
I was hoping you might consider some form of organized classification system in the Museum - easy to remember key word searches at the top of the page, and possibly use anchors? Just a thought. I was wondering what section I might look to find a situation where someone is ridiculing another for making a mistake but then makes a bigger mistake when correcting it. Atsme✍🏻📧 00:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps you're looking for WP:ONEGOODGOOFDESERVESANOTHER. As for a classification system, you mean like the Library of Congress system, something like
- AA - Sarcasm, personal
- AB - Sarcasm, topical
- AT - Sarcasm, theory and techniques
- AZ - Sarcasm not otherwise classified
- BA - Beatdowns, ANI
- BB - Beatdowns, they were begging for it
- BE - Beatdowns, editsummary
- BT - Beatdowns, talkpage
- --? Or were you thinking of something more like an index in a book? EEng 01:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing complex. Just easy to remember keywords - example above would have keywords like errors, mistakes, blunders, humiliation, ridicule, etc. The keywords would fit in the 1st line under the section title. That would allow for a "find" operation. Atsme✍🏻📧 01:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. EEng 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- I confused what you guys talking about? Subliminal metaphor about a wikipedia topic. Atsme approached argument different than I did. More than one way to get the right answer. Brian Everlasting (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. EEng 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing complex. Just easy to remember keywords - example above would have keywords like errors, mistakes, blunders, humiliation, ridicule, etc. The keywords would fit in the 1st line under the section title. That would allow for a "find" operation. Atsme✍🏻📧 01:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
ANI
And here I was expecting Dick Cheney or Andy Dick. RickinBaltimore (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Anderson_Cooper_at_Tulane_University.jpg/120px-Anderson_Cooper_at_Tulane_University.jpg)
- You mean here [18]? I prefer Dick Classic. EEng 21:09, 8 March 2019 (UTC) That Andy Dick guy looks like Anderson Cooper after a few years on meth.
- I will never unsee that now. RickinBaltimore (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Better than your average bear. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Aaron Molyneaux Hewlett
Hi there -- I'm afraid I don't totally understand the message you left on my talk page. If there are issues with the sourcing I'm more likely to leave this article as-is and just aim for some other DYK options in the future. It would be super helpful if someone could look at whatever is in the actual print archive at Harvard because I think there is some primary source stuff there that might allow me to cut out Family Search as a source entirely which would be great. Jessamyn (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Jessamyn: I have a soft spot for nonacademic Harvard staff (see Charles Apted andn [19]) because they're usually characters. I've tagged some of the sources for further improvement. Not for a while, but sometime in the future I'll pull up his material at Harvard Archives and see what we can do with that material. Ping me in a few months if I haven't done it yet. When we've done all we can we can get a WP:Good article review and thence to DYK, for which there are a number of good hooks -- and the photo with his equipment, cropped a bit, would be good on the main page. EEng 21:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to add a section header
Saw this and it reminded me of you. Well, one bit did. I'll leave it to your readership to decide for themselves which bit. nagualdesign 16:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm ashamed to say I missed this until now. Every (talk page stalker) is required to click. EEng 05:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- What's a couple of years between friends? It's understandably easy to miss a message or two when your letterbox encompasses the entire ground floor.
nagualdesign 16:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thus proving the value of keeping some of these threads live well past their normal expiration date. I duly clicked on the link and was duly amused. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- I do worry that he might be having to climb in through his bedroom window, and he's preparing food in the bathroom on a camping stove, but it does provide some amusement on a rainy day. nagualdesign 21:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thus proving the value of keeping some of these threads live well past their normal expiration date. I duly clicked on the link and was duly amused. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- What's a couple of years between friends? It's understandably easy to miss a message or two when your letterbox encompasses the entire ground floor.
toc
Scrolling through your talk page discussions, I was wondering why has everyone left only section headings on your talk page – and then I realised that was just the toc :D Has anyone asked you ever to consider archiving your table of contents because they took a long time scrolling to the bott? (No, I'm not asking you to do that) :D Lourdes 01:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- First time anyone's mentioned it. ;P BTW, there's a "JUMP TO BOTTOM" button at the top of the page. EEng 01:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- One time I accidentally clicked on EEng's talk page on my mobile. Luckily I was able to throw the phone a safe distance before it exploded. Leviv ich 02:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's only 1941 kB of pure fun. Atsme 📣 📧 03:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, archive your talk page! It's reaching ridiculous DGG-lengths. Liz Read! Talk! 04:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- One time I accidentally clicked on EEng's talk page on my mobile. Luckily I was able to throw the phone a safe distance before it exploded. Leviv ich 02:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
ANI
No not Luke's dad. I wanted to make you aware of this thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility from EEng since the person who started it failed to do so. MarnetteD|Talk 03:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard regarding incivility at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#MOS:GENDERID_and_death. The thread is Incivility_from_EEng. .
I don't know what the history is there, but you're not being constructive in that discussion. Nblund talk 03:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
March 2019
Hello, I'm Liz. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style that didn't seem very civil. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. This feuding between you and Fae has to stop tonight before it goes too far. Please refrain from responding to bait. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Notification
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, because there are only three separate notification sections above and you might not have noticed them all, but it seems that some people want to notify you about something that I'm sure might have been important but the thread has already closed. Maybe it was on AN, or ANI, or one of those places. Anyway, consider yourself notified of the notifications. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Another notification
I don't know whether it's a policy change or new convention, but I'm just writing here to notify you I've posted on your talk page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Please send my your address so I can have you strangled. Thank you for your cooperation. EEng 21:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Buddhist notification
There is. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:The NeuroGenderings Network
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:The NeuroGenderings Network. Legobot (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- You have an unerring instinct for starting trouble, Legobot. EEng 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
You may want to archive your talk page
WP:ARCHIVE. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'd never heard of this "archiving" concept before. EEng 21:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Theresa May may want to resign. Donald Trump may want to remove his hand from the "send tweet" button and engage brain before posting. However, we can't always get what we want. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe Trump will declare my talk page a national emergency. EEng 21:46, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Does no one notice this irony: one of the things that makes your talk page so big, is all the notes from people complaining that your talk page is too big? (BTW the reason you were graced with a custom "archive this" notice instead of a template is because the user got a lot of grief for templating me to archive my talk page. Even though mine is a tiny seedling compared to your magnificent tree here.) -- MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- "Hey you Mexican kids, get off my 1,000 mile long lawn!!" --President James. K. Veto (too late for Talk) 23:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Does no one notice this irony: one of the things that makes your talk page so big, is all the notes from people complaining that your talk page is too big? (BTW the reason you were graced with a custom "archive this" notice instead of a template is because the user got a lot of grief for templating me to archive my talk page. Even though mine is a tiny seedling compared to your magnificent tree here.) -- MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe Trump will declare my talk page a national emergency. EEng 21:46, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Theresa May may want to resign. Donald Trump may want to remove his hand from the "send tweet" button and engage brain before posting. However, we can't always get what we want. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
What I want to know is why do your talk page archives cap out at under 100 threads but your main talk page is 300+? This is completely backwards and against all conventions of decency. It's like you're thumbing your nose at the universe. Leviv ich 16:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Devin Nunes
Hey EEng, per the policy on content requiring inline citations and per WP:BLP (etc.) you can't call Devin Nunes an idiot based on the source you provided (which seems to be broken, btw). Please change "idiot" to "dumb asshole" per this source. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ivanvector - the source you cited is also an excellent example for Streisand effect per: @DevinCow has jumped from having around 1,000 followers when the suit was filed to over 134,000 since the time of this writing. Atsme Talk 📧 14:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- DevinCow must be over the moon about that. EEng 18:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
April 2019
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![This is what a joke looks like.](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Ambox_humor.svg/40px-Ambox_humor.svg.png)
In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been dunked on. If you think there are literally any reasons for being unblocked, nevermind.
Cards84664 (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, please...it's too difficult to separate the April fools day blocks from the real ones. They get lost in the latter. Atsme Talk 📧 00:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
When is it safe?
Is it safe to presume the biological gender of a certain IP based on their edit summary? Atsme Talk 📧 03:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ask Fae. EEng 17:12, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Is it safe Bhagyesh Pethe (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Better use protection. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Especially when (as in this case) dealing with genitalia that have been rolling on the ground. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- What??? EEng 02:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- He said,
Especially when (as in this case) dealing with genitalia that have been rolling on the ground.
– Levivich 02:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC)- I hesitate to reproduce the revdelled text but it was related to this (do I need to say NSFW?) —David Eppstein (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Who's on first? EEng 03:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- I hesitate to reproduce the revdelled text but it was related to this (do I need to say NSFW?) —David Eppstein (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- He said,
- What??? EEng 02:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Especially when (as in this case) dealing with genitalia that have been rolling on the ground. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I presume this is a joke
[20]. I did chuckle a little. --Jayron32 13:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- No joke. Coy circumlocutions for boomerangs are verboten. You're right on the edge. EEng 13:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Dude, I crossed the edge years ago. If you're only getting to the edge now, you've got some catching up to do. --Jayron32 14:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Upage
Hi, I appreciate the nice humor on your pages. But I noticed the picture of Donald Trump, and the picture further down of a finger with text about Donald Trump, However I would like to point out that the pictures and the captions of Trump were offensive to me, and could be too with other users. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:52, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/The_finger.jpg/90px-The_finger.jpg)
- I take it you're talking about images such as the ones shown here.
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Donald-trump-secim-840x420.jpg/220px-Donald-trump-secim-840x420.jpg)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Vladimir_Putin_%26_Donald_Trump_at_APEC_Summit_in_Da_Nang%2C_Vietnam%2C_10_November_2017.jpg/290px-Vladimir_Putin_%26_Donald_Trump_at_APEC_Summit_in_Da_Nang%2C_Vietnam%2C_10_November_2017.jpg)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Hippopotamus_-_04.jpg/260px-Hippopotamus_-_04.jpg)
I appreciate the friendliness of your message, but predict that in five years you will be wondering how you could have ever found such things even remarkable. EEng 03:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- This is uniformly excellent, clever, and dare I say genre-savvy. Post more of these, please. Thanks.--WaltCip (talk) 17:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- The "virtual reality projector turned off" image is quite clearly a picture of Reggie Perrin's mother in law. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
A quickie
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/How_to_slap_someone_throught_the_internet_%28smart_screen%29-3580144.png/250px-How_to_slap_someone_throught_the_internet_%28smart_screen%29-3580144.png)
FYI...if you had clicked on pointy in the caption of my Madonna picture at ANI you would have had a conical experience...or perhaps you did. I tried to find a similar image at Commons but never thought to keyword "cone". Good find. Atsme Talk 📧 02:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Conical, comical -- I get it! My 9-y.o. nephew, who has been learning about polygons in school, told me a joke last week. "I was taking the bus to Harvard SQUARE but I got lost because I got on the RHOMBUS. Get it? WRONG BUS." My nephew's wicked smaht. EEng 03:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- A funny bone tickler indeed, although not my intended joke. Atsme Talk 📧 22:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Wow
Your userpage. 108.26.206.64 (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I get that a lot. EEng 00:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Good Humor |
Thanks for all you do here on Wikipedia! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC) |
- Thanks, Thegooduser, I appreciate it! EEng 14:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- The other thing I LOVE about your page and talk page, is that it kills my 2.4G network, and I need to use 5G network in order to avoid kills to my wifi :-P --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- Isn't 2.4G some sort of bra size? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Airport malaria and portraits of the Queen
When you (and your merry band of talk page stalkers) have a mo, could you nip over to User talk:Whispyhistory#Flies and mosquitoes and suggest some fun hooks for airport malaria and Queen Elizabeth II (painting). Please excuse me from not having a sense of humour today, I have chronic ANI fatigue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- Refer to EEng's research in the image above. Atsme Talk 📧 22:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Good Humor |
Thank you for your ideas and attitude Whispyhistory (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
- Thank you. I live to serve. EEng 22:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Notre-Dame de Paris fire: Difference between revisions
You make me laugh ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire&diff=next&oldid=893358254 Revision as of 20:57, 20 April 2019 EEng
I was just seeing if you were paying attention I knew it wouldn't lasted long Mitchellhobbs (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire&diff=893648089&oldid=893646972 Latest revision as of 18:40, 22 April 2019
188.108.153.142 moved it ~ but I think it flows well there ~ what do you think? Mitchellhobbs (talk) 18:47, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- I think the IP is preoccupied with making images in a vertical stack all have the same width, which is a good thing in general, especially when they're vertically adjacent, but not so important if there's substantial distance between them. IAnyway, it's OK either way -- too early to spend much time on layout because the article will grow a lot over the next few weeks and then it will become clearer where to place the images. See my comment here [21]. EEng 18:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
A fitting tribute on Good Friday, perchance.
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Protector from Heretical Pareidolia |
You saved us from misinterpreting the fires of Notre Dame. Herewith, you receive the Map of France. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC) |
- Glad to see you again, and thank you. EEng 21:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- I note you are still on patrol. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, you know how I get once I taste blood. EEng 01:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- I note you are still on patrol. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Should all instances of 'tbd' in this article be changed to 'TBD'?
Hi, in the article List of aircraft carriers in service, the abbreviation 'tbd' is always used with all lowercase letters, instead of 'TBD' in all caps. They can be seen in the Carriers ordered and Other planned carriers sections. I propose changing them all to 'TBD' as this form is much more commonly used and is widely considered the correct format. JACKINTHEBOX • TALK 13:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- So, changing tbd to TBD is Tbd? --A D Monroe III(talk) 17:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- That remains to be seen. In answer to the OP's query: personally I'd use all caps, but if there's resistance to change I don't expect this is a hill worth dying on. EEng 19:17, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
I think it's high time we had an essay on this. Feel free to add humour to taste. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- Surely you mean "humor to tasteless"? EEng 16:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Your edit summary
MOSbloat = The grossest thing I've heard today. Primergrey (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Well then my nascent essay WP:MOSBLOAT will most certainly make you lose your lunch. EEng 03:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- I think it belongs in The Museum as "meritorious" and perhaps even a "behavioral trendsetter" but most certainly as a remedy. [FBDB] Atsme Talk 📧 18:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- And if that doesn't, this will! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- STFU?? Ah yes, we know a song about that, don't we, boys and girls... : [22]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Note: other, equally offensive YouTube STFU song memes are readily available.
- Well, poopers. I added the right link but to the wrong discussion (although it could relate to bloat) so I just fixed it...even worse, I was thinking bloat referenced this discussion, so EEng's comment has widespread merit, broadly construed. Hmmm, me thinks I may be in WP:ONEGOODGOOFDESERVESANOTHER territory. Atsme Talk 📧 22:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- STFU?? Ah yes, we know a song about that, don't we, boys and girls... : [22]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Note: other, equally offensive YouTube STFU song memes are readily available.
Archiving mayhem
I was wondering how this archiving happened, but Guy Macon beat me to fixing it. It turns out this was the culprit. Fixed now. Retro (talk | contribs) 00:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Guy Macon, editor Retro says you beat him. We try to avoid violence here at Wikipedia, so please refrain from beating other editors. EEng 00:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Well, I have been called a shill for pretty much every company, service and product mentioned at User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased. (and a paid shill for the "Twisty Bulb Cartel" when I mentioned that compact fluorescent bulbs use less energy than incandescent bulbs, but LED bulbs use less than either), So a special "when did you stop beating your fellow Wikipedia editors?" award seems like it would fit right in on my shelf... --Guy Macon (talk) 01:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
EEng ~ thanks once again for your help and your humor ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 03:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thank goodness someone still has a sense of humor. [23] EEng 04:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ironic. Atsme Talk 📧 11:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks again ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 15:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
An encouraging word
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Moo v along |
Timely and pithy food for thought, Well done! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
This undeserved praise regards this modest edit [24]. EEng 02:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Permalink -- see the image. EEng 04:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Just to be clear
Everyone is very busy discussing where to draw the line on being rude and unpleasant, but making lame jokes is completely unacceptable. Triptothecottage (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- I think it's the lameness that offends. These are highly cultured people, after all. EEng 03:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- What is the meaning of it? KoopaLoopa (talk) 06:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Nvm I think I figured it out - San Fran's Jan Bans Fram. KoopaLoopa (talk) 06:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- All this time we never knew you were Pastis. Your secret's safe with me. Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 16:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Watch your step lest T&S disappear you for outing me. EEng 18:24, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Gulag-apedia. I hear Siberia is lovely this time of year. Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 18:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- One Year in the Life of Ifram Denisovich. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello everybody. I read that book about fifty years ago at my boarding school. It has come flooding back. particularly the bit about the bread and the ciggy for goodness sake. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 21:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- One Year in the Life of Ifram Denisovich. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Gulag-apedia. I hear Siberia is lovely this time of year. Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 18:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Watch your step lest T&S disappear you for outing me. EEng 18:24, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- What is the meaning of it? KoopaLoopa (talk) 06:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Since this is clearly your first time editing and I am in no way templating a regular, we hope you will choose to stay here and contribute positively. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on the redirect discussion for Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM by assuming I am creating a hostile environment by mocking people with peanut allergies. Please remember that even peanuts have feelings, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you and have a nice day. [FBDB] --WaltCip (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- EEng's talk page gets all the nuts. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Just a heads up that Ivanvector supervoted and speedy deleted the redirect per G10. WaltCip (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- Seriously considering my future here. Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 01:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Next?
Is WP:CANFRAMFANSBANSANFRAN next on your list? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- WP:FRAMBANNED,SANFRANDAMNED,ARBCOMJAMMED —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 10:36, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- ^^^^ Definitely the best yet. EEng 17:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- FRAM FRAMED, JAN NAMED, ARBCOM AIMED. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- "I have gotta Admin name of FRAMA-BANA-JANA-LAMA-DING-DONG": [26] Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:CANSANFRANBANFRAM?
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- And speedily declined. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Speedy declined. Not the same as the version that was deleted previously. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, Brad, for speedily edit conflicting you! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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- WTF? The moon must be in clueless. EEng 22:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- "CANJUNEMOONSHAKESPOONMOONEYSOON"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- How much rue do Anne drew Andrew and Drew rue if Anne drew Andrew and Drew do rue what they do? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Moo. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I know. I just didn't feel up to the challenge. Congrats. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- He's a foo. EEng 23:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- How much rue do Anne drew Andrew and Drew rue if Anne drew Andrew and Drew do rue what they do? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- "CANJUNEMOONSHAKESPOONMOONEYSOON"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Partial list of images needing deletion because they attack or disparage:
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- Wham Fram Thank You Jan? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 2 July 2019 (UTC) Note: no snowflakes were intentionally harmed in the construction of this piped link.
- ^^^^ This one is quite good too. EEng 17:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- "Hey man, well she's a total blam-blam"! Dlohcierekim (talk)
Greetings from Dr. Seuss
- Improvements and extensions welcomed!
I AM FRAM. FRAM I AM.
THAT FRAM-I-AM! THAT FRAM-I-AM! I DO NOT LIKE THAT FRAM-I-AM!
WOULD YOU LIKE A BAN OF FRAM?
DOWN ENWIKI'S THROAT TO RAM?
WOULD YOU BAN HIM FOR A YEAR?
ISSUE RATIONALES UNCLEAR?
PERHAPS TRANSPARENCY YOU FEAR?
Style
Amazing looking user page! Thank you. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk♥ 00:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Tu sais ~ Je pense que je me souviens de toi quand le monde a été créé ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- WTF? (= "What the French?") EEng 02:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- LOL ~ you had me scared ~~ ~mitch~ (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
BLOCKED
I was just about to block you for being so fancy. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 18:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Nice shirt, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I hereby dub thee Sir Less-filling-with-no-taste.18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)
- No usurpers, please... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- It seems to me there's a good pun on usurpers in there somewhere, but it's just not coming. Below is the best I could do. EEng 12:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- No usurpers, please... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- I hereby dub thee Sir Less-filling-with-no-taste.18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)
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- Ah, not just tasteless-filling-with-no-Sirloin, then. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- E-e-e-e-w-w-w-w! Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Not a Brit, but that canned meat pie looks like low-grade dog food. Woof. Jip Orlando (talk) 13:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- "Women In Red, fill your boots": enjoy. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, not just tasteless-filling-with-no-Sirloin, then. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
24 hour block
Hi, EEng. I have blocked you for 24 hours as described Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_of_User:EEng. Would you kindly commit to not restoring the material and we can put this behind us immediately? Haukur (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I apologize for posting the ANI message first and this message second. It would have been better form to do it the other way around. Haukur (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have lifted the block as per the ANI thread. Looks like you were right that this would not fly and I apologize. Haukur (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Apology accepted, and you are to be commended for not digging in your heels. I will be commenting gently (relatively gently, anyway) at ANI in a bit. EEng 19:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- For the record: WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1014#Block_of_User:EEng. EEng 13:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- It would have been within policy to do it the other way round? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Damn, I thought we would have a little break :P - FlightTime (open channel) 19:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Damn from me too. I log out for a few hours to do some errands, and I miss all the fun! Go clean out your garage. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- ugh ` hmm ~ ugh ~ ugh ~ never mind ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
For your collection
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Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid? Now that you're How many more to equal the height of the Empire State Bldg? ![]() |
I hope...
...that your 24 minutes in the wilderness weren't too unpleasant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- ...What you need, EEng, is a good disguise. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Excellent work
I don't think your unmitigated torrent of genius content gets enough credit around here. Keep up the good work. Cosmic Sans (talk) 02:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I would like to believe you're talking about
- but I fear you're actually talking about casting of aspersions. See below. EEng 02:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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- I was wondering, "How did he find a picture of a butt anyway?" So I looked, and, of course Commons has a c:Category:Female buttocks in sculpture, one of several sub-categories of c:Category:Female buttocks in art, which in turn is a sub-category of c:Category:Female buttocks, which–of course–has hundreds of examples. Behold: the sum of human knowledge. – Levivich 02:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
you
[continue discussion with you]
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- I tend to state what is invisible to others and not deliberately being obtuse, your "innocent" attempts at humour are not free of disruptive consequences and doubling down when a joke is not flying, I think, shows a lack of appreciation for what is and is not valued humour. How many users might attempt to remove you attempts at wit, tendentiously restored with a "i have no idea why you did that?" edit summary before you take stock of the value of inclusion. Do you want an example, your "trail of tears" quip a little while ago. ~ cygnis insignis 16:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, this thread continues the inscrutable discussion at [27]
- "Trail of tears"??? What in the fuck are you talking about? No, seriously, we really want to know. Every stalker here awaits breathlessly a diff. EEng 16:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm a talk page stalker and I approve this message. — JFG talk 18:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- Huh? Trail of tears? I'm telling ya, EEng - it's gotta be the full moon. Atsme Talk 📧 19:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm a talk page stalker and I approve this message. — JFG talk 18:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- We're still waiting for your diff so we can know what you're talking about when you speak of my
"trail of tears" quip a little while ago
, Cygnis insignis. EEng 02:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)- No answer. Huh. EEng 11:51, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Taylor Swift
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You have opinions about writing, right? What do you think of the Taylor Swift lead? (Hey, at least I'm not asking you to comment on abortion.) Haukur (talk) 09:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- In copyediting I leave the lead to very last, after I've done (and therefore read) the rest of the article, so I can't say much at this point except that eponymous and buoyed and spawned and (beyond the lead, but an especial peeve of mine) accolades make me want to vomit, and factoids such as "youngest person to single-handedly write and perform a number-one song on the Hot Country Songs chart" and "first act to have four albums sell one million copies within one week in the U.S." are ridiculous. But you gotta love that she
spent her early years on a Christmas tree farm
. EEng 10:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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I'll get you for this, Haukurth -EEng
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- 'Eponymous' is for beginners - mononymously is what the cool kids are putting in their FAs. Haukur (talk) 18:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Monotonously is more like it. I love it that the first outbound link in the article on this Kylie Minogue creature takes you to a page whose lead image is Plato. Her own lead image shows "Minogue performing at The Queen's Birthday Party" – I can imagine Queen Liz thinking, "I'm just glad Winston isn't alive to see this." EEng 18:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- EEng, you are getting too snobby even for me here, and that's pretty hard to do! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
It is recognised as her signature song and was named "the catchiest song ever" by Yahoo! Music.
– Right. EEng 18:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)- OK, now I'm curious. Where does (did) it say that? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- The lead (or lede, you snob). We're talking about the article linked behind the word mononymously above. EEng 18:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, Minogue! I thought you meant Swift. Yeah, that's BS. Everyone knows that the catchiest song ever is this. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- I was going to say exactly the same thing, so you see great minds do think alike after all (and please do not post the traditional followup to that). EEng 19:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- The traditional followup to that. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Look What You Made Me Do --Tryptofish (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- I was going to say exactly the same thing, so you see great minds do think alike after all (and please do not post the traditional followup to that). EEng 19:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, Minogue! I thought you meant Swift. Yeah, that's BS. Everyone knows that the catchiest song ever is this. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- The lead (or lede, you snob). We're talking about the article linked behind the word mononymously above. EEng 18:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- OK, now I'm curious. Where does (did) it say that? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- EEng, you are getting too snobby even for me here, and that's pretty hard to do! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Monotonously is more like it. I love it that the first outbound link in the article on this Kylie Minogue creature takes you to a page whose lead image is Plato. Her own lead image shows "Minogue performing at The Queen's Birthday Party" – I can imagine Queen Liz thinking, "I'm just glad Winston isn't alive to see this." EEng 18:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- 'Eponymous' is for beginners - mononymously is what the cool kids are putting in their FAs. Haukur (talk) 18:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Beyond Belief book
I can't see if the edition is 1967 or 1992. Random House 1st published the book in 1967. abebooks.co.uk has images of the 1967 edition, EEng. I'll be happy to work with you on this article going forward. I have several printed sources on this case (some not listed in the table on the article's talk page). Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's OK, I think it's only used once in the article presently, so it's not like we have to correlate page numbers in a lot of existing cites to page numbers in the editions we have in hand. I'm up in the air about the extent we can use it anyway; it tries to be a sort of In Cold Blood, and I thought I read a review saying that it clearly distinguishes fact from fancy. But so far (having only thumbed it) I'm not seeing that distinction being drawn, but I'll have to give it a closer look to decide.
- This will be a lot of work, and it will take time. I'm glad you're on board. EEng 22:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- You're welcome. This book is was one of the first true crime books I ever read. I am unaware which review you are referring to, but in several areas of the book, the author clearly uses his imagination to portray events relating to the case.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Here's the review I was thinking of [28]:
Williams explicitly distinguishes among fact, interpretation of fact, and surmise ... interwoven in the text. So that the reader may distinguish among them ...
- ... and at point there's a page break in the review, and I can't see the next page! I'll have to get that. Our own article (Beyond_Belief:_A_Chronicle_of_Murder_and_its_Detection) says that later reviews were quite harsh. EEng 23:42, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- I will look into that. Reviews are rightly harsh (even though much info. is verified in other sources and the book should not be completely discounted). Williams did consult numerous individuals involved in the case (police, neighbours, acquaintances etc.) while writing his book. In Ann West's book, she states he went to their flat in 1966, demanding an interview, and callously (and falsely) stated she slept in the same bedroom as her brothers before saying: "There's not a lot of room in these council flats, is there?" When ejected from the house, he stated either the Wests grant him an interview or he'd just fabricate the content for his book. I am actually glad there are only a small number of references to this book in the article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'll have no problem getting the review, but based on the severe later criticism I'm guessing we can only use it for a good turn of the phrase expressing something sourced as fact elsewhere. EEng 00:21, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- I will look into that. Reviews are rightly harsh (even though much info. is verified in other sources and the book should not be completely discounted). Williams did consult numerous individuals involved in the case (police, neighbours, acquaintances etc.) while writing his book. In Ann West's book, she states he went to their flat in 1966, demanding an interview, and callously (and falsely) stated she slept in the same bedroom as her brothers before saying: "There's not a lot of room in these council flats, is there?" When ejected from the house, he stated either the Wests grant him an interview or he'd just fabricate the content for his book. I am actually glad there are only a small number of references to this book in the article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Here's the review I was thinking of [28]:
- You're welcome. This book is was one of the first true crime books I ever read. I am unaware which review you are referring to, but in several areas of the book, the author clearly uses his imagination to portray events relating to the case.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- I've thrown my hat in the ring for a few of the minor sources that Supreme Leader here didn't manage to find on his first run. I shan't be following proceedings in great detail though so please ping me if you want something checked. Some of the more pulpy books mentioned here that are unsurprisingly absent from Antipodean institution catalogues are, weirdly, wildly popular in municipal library collections in New South Wales. This confirms everything we Melburnians believe about the psychopathy of our northern neighbours. Triptothecottage (talk) 00:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- This is great! But please, Triptothecottage, do not commit sudoku [29], or if you do at least do not drip on my couch [30]. EEng 01:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Dude, commit is not the preferred nomenclature. It's execute sudoku. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Reminds me of the username Osama /bin/login. EEng 01:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Dude, commit is not the preferred nomenclature. It's execute sudoku. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- This is great! But please, Triptothecottage, do not commit sudoku [29], or if you do at least do not drip on my couch [30]. EEng 01:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Beyond a reasonable trout
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Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. I certainly appreciate your brand of humor (puns and all), but Special:Diff/913428905 was a bit much (especially putting it in the closure box) creffett (talk) 01:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC) |
- "Beyond a reasonable trout" -- that's brilliant. EEng 01:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I figured you would get a kick out of this
https://www.foxnews.com/health/pressure-cooker-whistle-skull
Cards84664 (talk) 14:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
- Contains the intriguing phrase
could not hear the whistle over the hay cutter
. EEng 06:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
And speaking of Michael Palin...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00081v8
BMK
- And speaking of a basement... EEng 02:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
nudge, nudge
I don't know if/how you missed this
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
but you'rerf really not supposed to edit inside a closed thread. — Ched (talk) 08:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
- When an RfC has run its course and had a formal close, modifying the discussion encapsulated by the close can confuse things. On the other hand, when some lone editor takes it upon himself to decide that everyone else has had enough to say, then no, that's not binding on the rest of us. EEng 02:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
"hoist" v "hoisted"
Do you think perhaps, if it should be left as "hoist" [31], it should be placed in quotation marks to indicate it's quoting Hamlet directly? Or maybe with a corresponding bluelink to the article on the phrase? I've got no problem with it being "hoist", but chancing across it, my first thought wasn't that it was deliberately using the archaic version of the past tense. Since the modern usage makes "hoisted" the past tense, and since the phrase "hoisted by his own petard" is generally used in modern English, quotation marks or a bluelink would indicate it's deliberate rather than a typo. Any objection to one or the other? Grandpallama (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Eh, never mind. :) Grandpallama (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Glad I could help. But for the record: if this was article space we’d worry about such things, but in project space we play fast and loose. EEng 19:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- My sentiments exactly, about five minutes after I typed out my original thoughts. Grandpallama (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Glad I could help. But for the record: if this was article space we’d worry about such things, but in project space we play fast and loose. EEng 19:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
It's not a new concept and is very easy to grasp. If you happen to be a troll or stupid, or both, then I guess it won't be referred to and warring will be the easiest thing to do. What do you know about WP:BRD? CassiantoTalk 17:19, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Our benighted visitor refers to [32].[33] and [34]
- Ah, the schoolyard insults and shifting rationales of he who flails desperately. So now it’s just plain ol’ BRD, huh? Of course, as BRD itself says, “BRD is never a reason for reverting”, so apparently it’s not sufficiently easy to grasp that you have been able to grasp it. What about your old standby “Featured Article! Featured Article! Featured Article!”? You could try milking that for for a few rounds.
- BTW, how’s that SPI report coming? EEng 18:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- A Featured Article is something that you only know how to ruin, and not write. BTW, how is that failure, Phineas Gage these days? Three attempts - at GA only? Perhaps I should visit that and start molesting with it, like you do to others? But I would guess any amount of molesting would result in a vast improvement being made on the current version. CassiantoTalk 18:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
A Featured Article is something that you only know how to ruin
– Asserted, as you have so many times before, without evidence.not write
– What you still don't understand is no one but the FA crew cares about FAs. You're a self-selected group of mutual congratulators who meet periodically to reinforce the shared fantasy that you're all incomparable masters of prose. You're not, not by a long shot – not individually and not working together. FAs are typically (though with many, many exceptions) 100% grammatically correct, rigidly formatted, and flabby, bloated, and discursive. Here's an example that I've been getting a lot of laugh-mileage out of at parties recently: who on earth would writehad been responsible for the murders of
when he could just write "had killed"? I'll give you one guess [35], and yes, that flash of brilliance made it all the way through the vaunted FA process [36] It's unfathomable.Phineas Gage ... Three attempts at GA
– Gage has been nominated for GA once since I've been editing Wikipedia – and not by me. The review was aborted when your friend and mentor, the now-banned sockpuppeteer Eric Corbett, threatened to (in the reviewer's words)take it to GAR if he doesn't get it his way. No point in continuing
[37], apparently because of a disputed image caption and a tussle over whether et al. goes in italics [38]. Way to go, Eric! So maybe this wasn't a great point for you to bring up.Perhaps I should visit that and start molesting with it
– Molesting with it ? You mean, like you and the article will get together and do some molesting? Anyway, I thought you Brits used the more euphemistic interfered with, as in "The victim was stabbed several times and strangled, but not interfered with." Maybe that's what you meant: you're proposing to interfere with the article. Anyway... If you can improve an article, you should of course do so.
- EEng 23:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC) P.S. You forgot to tell me – any progress on that SPI report? EEng 23:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- A Featured Article is something that you only know how to ruin, and not write. BTW, how is that failure, Phineas Gage these days? Three attempts - at GA only? Perhaps I should visit that and start molesting with it, like you do to others? But I would guess any amount of molesting would result in a vast improvement being made on the current version. CassiantoTalk 18:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Aw, shoot! EEng, this is probably the first time that I've ever seen you oppose including some non-displaying wiki-markup. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, you mean the nbsp? I hadn't noticed it, but if I had I'd not have minded seeing it go. In a parenthetical birth or death date in the article's opening, there's no chance of a linebreak anyway so an nbsp is a waste of time. EEng 00:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- You know what? When I clicked on the diff, I saw the nbsp at the top and I was too careless to scroll down, so it had been all I saw. I was wondering why there would be so much fuss over an nbsp. So you did a lot better at not missing stuff than I did! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, you mean the nbsp? I hadn't noticed it, but if I had I'd not have minded seeing it go. In a parenthetical birth or death date in the article's opening, there's no chance of a linebreak anyway so an nbsp is a waste of time. EEng 00:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Be careful EEng or they may take you to AN and get themselves banned this time. PackMecEng (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- I recently stumbled across this 10-year-old essay and read it for the first time: User:Physchim62/Situation Normal: All FACked up. – Levivich 23:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- That is just brilliant. Everyone should click the link ^^^^^^^ and read. EEng 00:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
WP:ANI
Howdy. Will you PLEASE remove those images & stop restoring them? GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- You mean [39]? You need to read the history and THINK. There's even a link in the image captions to help you. EEng 17:33, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- El_C 18:50, 29 September 2019 (UTC)You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for violating the 3 revert rule. Really, on ANI?. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. - For those playing along at home, this relates to [40] (and I certainly appreciate El C's faint praise). Here's what I would have posted (in response to our esteemed fellow editor Rhododendrites) had I not been delayed elsewhere:
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- Well first of all, WP:TPO is clear that in project space, in opposition to article space, the thumb on the scale favors retaining someone's post after a tentative removal has been opposed by the post-er, and the xRR resides in the persistent attempts to remove despite that opposition, after which those with a concern should restrict themselves to commenting on a post they see as problematic.
Beyond that, while your suggested approach has a superficial appeal, I really don't think it's applicable and workable. First, it wasn't really removed by
multiple people multiple times
, rather by one person multiple times (on perceived lack of merit) one person once (on perceived lck of merit) and after that apparently under the misapprehension that it had been added after closure; and note I wasn't the only one restoring. But more generally, ANI has more than a thousand active watchers [41] and if anything not super-serious could be removed on the say-so of just few of those then ANI would be a dreary place indeed; on the other hand, your point about giving extra weight to the opinions of those participating in a particular thread is a good one, and I'll try to keep that in mind in future.I realize my humor isn't everyone's cuppa tea, but it's clear it is a whole lotta people's cuppa tea, and the former group can just ignore what they don't "get" (or they can make the effort to get the point – they might even learn something that way).
As a final note for SchroCat, you've got to stop personalizing everything. As already explained I didn't even realize it was you [42], anyone can make a typo, and if you can't be good-humored about it, tough. I wouldn't put it that bluntly were you not so dyspeptic about everything, but your behavior is such that I'm not inclined to put much store in your continual cries of outrage and victimization.
- Well first of all, WP:TPO is clear that in project space, in opposition to article space, the thumb on the scale favors retaining someone's post after a tentative removal has been opposed by the post-er, and the xRR resides in the persistent attempts to remove despite that opposition, after which those with a concern should restrict themselves to commenting on a post they see as problematic.
- As for getting blocked, well, if I don't get blocked at least once in a while then I'm probably not doing my job. EEng 20:27, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Followup:
- Um,
borderline personal attack
– what???? So let me get this straight: so now it's a personal attack if I make fun of my own typo? But (and super-serious here now): I have never made fun of anyone's dyslexia; saying that I did without evidence is a personal attack; and if such accusations keep up there's gonna be an ANI thread on that. So have a fucking care. EEng 21:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Um,
- Followup followup:
- And now ol' SchroCat decides he's going to end the discussion [43]. Gotta love the control-freakism. Or am I not supposed to say that because being a control freak is a disability? EEng 21:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- You know I was disabled once ~ Oh I'm sorry, I don't know why I said that ~mitch~ (talk) 11:51, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- And now ol' SchroCat decides he's going to end the discussion [43]. Gotta love the control-freakism. Or am I not supposed to say that because being a control freak is a disability? EEng 21:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Followup:
Some requests
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EEng says: Looks like the discussion got derailed?
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EEng says: I really should be doing something else, but for those budding visual punsters out there wanting to improve their skills, I'd suggest "A lot of bull offered in de fence"
Hello EEng,
Sorry that you got blocked the other day. I have a few requests to make. I have been approached by SchroCat with a request that I ask you to avoid interacting with that editor unless necessary. In exchange, that editor will avoid interacting with you. This would be an informal arrangement for the purpose of avoiding conflict, not a formal logged interaction ban. I would also like to request that you avoid any comments that can be construed as mocking or ridiculing established editors for making routine typographical or spelling errors. Some people are much better at spotting such errors than others, and copy editing is always welcome in article space. Pointing out such minor errors on talk pages can be perceived as cruel or gauche, unless the meaning is unclear to most readers. In that case, a neutrally worded request for clarification is appropriate. My final request has to do with your fondness for placing humorous or ironic or punning images into the type of discussions that almost always lack images unless you get involved. I am not asking you to stop that practice, since I am sure that you have inspired countless chuckles and often help people stop and think. But like most comedians, sometimes your jokes fall flat, at least among some of the participants in these discussions. So please consider letting it pass if somebody objects to and reverts one of your image jokes. If your joke is essential to understanding the matter, I am sure that another editor will restore it.
I respect you as a "really useful editor" here on Wikipedia, to use a phrase derived from Thomas the Tank Engine. I like you a lot. Please consider my requests. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:54, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- "Tanks" for the compliment, and you already know I respect you as a "really useful administrator". And thanks for the sympathy, but to paraphrase something I told ol' Ritchie recently,
after you get blocked enough times you really don't care
. - The situation is a bit complicated, your proposal is a bit complicated, and a proper response will take more effort than I can muster tonight (but you needn't fear that means I'm looking for a complicated way to say No). Probably tomorrow. EEng 06:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think Cullen's advice about mockery and about ANI images is very good, I want to encourage you to accept it. As for your usefulness...[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't want to live in a world where you can't make fun of a typo. – Levivich 01:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- And I don't want to live in a world where you say the kinds of incivil things about me that you have said. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- As someone who has gotten into plenty of real-life trouble for jokes at the wrong time, it's definitely a "know your audience" problem. I think most people won't care or will get a laugh out of EEng posting a humorous picture for a typo (and let the record show that I'm one of those people, EEng is free to post pictures at will on my comments, especially when I make bad typos), but if someone objects to you posting on them...man, just apologize, make it clear that you were just making a joke about the spelling or whatever and weren't trying to insult them, and maybe make a list of people who have asked you to not do that (and then, you know, leave them alone). I think everyone wins that way. creffett (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- I can't argue with that at all. And I argue about everything. – Levivich 01:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Levivich, no you don't. creffett (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes I do. – Levivich 02:24, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Now be sensible. From what I hear, you've made yourself indispensable! creffett (talk) 02:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- You must have misheard; they said "indefensible". – Levivich 03:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Are you making fun of his typo??? EEng 04:02, 4 October 2019 (UTC) Don't worry, Cullen, I am going to respond to your thoughtful post, but it's been a busy week.
- You must have misheard; they said "indefensible". – Levivich 03:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes I do. – Levivich 02:24, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Levivich, no you don't. creffett (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- I can't argue with that at all. And I argue about everything. – Levivich 01:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't want to live in a world where you can't make fun of a typo. – Levivich 01:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think Cullen's advice about mockery and about ANI images is very good, I want to encourage you to accept it. As for your usefulness...[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Take your time, my friend. You are getting good advice in the interim. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:07, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Cullen328, if you're suggesting that my advice is good, I feel personally attacked and I might just have to take this to AN/I. I have a reputation to maintain, you know. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 14:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- EEng - example of happy typos for your enlightenment - read the edit summary, then the exchange. And then there's the cash register receipt. Of course, if you want to get t-banned there's this one. Atsme Talk 📧 06:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- As for that cash register receipt, I am surprised that this particular item only costs 99 cents. With tax, that's less than $1.10 in most jurisdictions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Penis broken, please use finger!
- The penis, mightier than the finger. Bonus observation: the linked article contains the phrase "The very same advert was erected in Egypt"].
- EEng 06:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- As for that cash register receipt, I am surprised that this particular item only costs 99 cents. With tax, that's less than $1.10 in most jurisdictions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Cullen, I remember back when they were a dime a dozen. Atsme Talk 📧 13:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- This block business has led to Jimbo Whales coming by your talk page. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 14:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Smash!
You've been squished by a whale!
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something really silly.
[cetacean needed] --Tryptofish (talk) 21:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Tryp - won't that work as a template? *lol* {{cnn}}?? Bellezzasolo, aren't you a template expert? Atsme Talk 📧 22:59, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Atsme, User:Scheinwerfermann/Cetacean needed I believe! There's a significant deletion log at Template:Cetacean needed. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 13:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- I guess it didn't have enough of a porpoise around here. creffett (talk) 13:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- 😂 Porpoisely mammalian, I'd say, creffett. Bellezzasolo, I would never be able to remember the spellings. Can we not add a simple shortcut, like {{cnn}}?
- Or how about {msnbc}? {whalewanted}? {ww}? EEng 17:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, whale...whalecome to EEng's TP. It's a real killer. Atsme Talk 📧 20:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Or how about {msnbc}? {whalewanted}? {ww}? EEng 17:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- 😂 Porpoisely mammalian, I'd say, creffett. Bellezzasolo, I would never be able to remember the spellings. Can we not add a simple shortcut, like {{cnn}}?
- I guess it didn't have enough of a porpoise around here. creffett (talk) 13:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Atsme, User:Scheinwerfermann/Cetacean needed I believe! There's a significant deletion log at Template:Cetacean needed. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 13:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Tryp - won't that work as a template? *lol* {{cnn}}?? Bellezzasolo, aren't you a template expert? Atsme Talk 📧 22:59, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
John C Yoo
Turns out those torture memos were first seeded not just in the college, but in the vaults of Winthrop House [44]. Is anyone surprised? -Darouet (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oh dear, so he is a Harvard College graduate. That saddens me. EEng 17:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- He's also a University of California professor. That saddens me even more. Harvard at least has the excuse that his misdeeds were in the unknowable future. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- He went to Yale Law School -- figures. EEng 19:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Grover Norquist was in Winthrop, too. Must have been something in the water. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- But then so were the Kennedys, so go figure. EEng 02:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Grover Norquist was in Winthrop, too. Must have been something in the water. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- He went to Yale Law School -- figures. EEng 19:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- He's also a University of California professor. That saddens me even more. Harvard at least has the excuse that his misdeeds were in the unknowable future. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
And now, for something completely different
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Python Procurer Level 3 |
For your continued and apt use of Monty Python sketches in a wide array of discussions, wherein such sketches diffuse the general tension, and provide to the assembled members of the Wiki-pedia a quaint and pleasant respite from their toils, you are hereby recognized as, if nay promoted to, a third level Python Procurer. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:22, 19 November 2019 (UTC) |
- For those playing along at home, our honored guest refers to [45], [46], and [47]. EEng 00:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Procurer? [48] --Tryptofish (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- When an old hooker like myself reaches a certain age, procurement is an attractive career transition. EEng 20:05, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not to worry, you don't look a day above sixty. But when you find the Pythons getting less attractive, you can always switch to being a Boa Conscriptor. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- When an old hooker like myself reaches a certain age, procurement is an attractive career transition. EEng 20:05, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Procurer? [48] --Tryptofish (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Did you know .... that the programming language Python frequently makes use of example variable names "spam" and "eggs"; indeed our article on Python syntax and semantics refers to "For example, in the sample below, viking_chorus
might cause menu_item to be run 8 times for each time it is called:" I wonder if you encounter a run-time error, are you cast into the gorge of eternal peril? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:00, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Ships
C'mon, stop attacking Bus stop. That's not gonna get us anywhere, especially not where we want it to go, which is changing the style guide to 'it' only for ships. Otherwise, you're just giving them arguments against you. El Millo (talk) 06:39, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- You call this [49] an attack? Trust me, if I was attacking him you'd know it. BTW, I highly doubt we're gonna be gettin where we wanna go. Not on this round. EEng 06:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/IT_%281990%29_logo.png/90px-IT_%281990%29_logo.png)
- O snail / Climb Mount Fuji / But slowly, slowly!
- In other words, perhaps not now, but someday surely, the "it" camp will win out.--WaltCip (talk) 13:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Right now, numerically 58% in favor of "it" (66-48). – Levivich 05:14, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- But counting posts for and against instead of editors, with Bus Stop around its 0.0000000036% for "it", 99.0000000064% against. EEng 06:39, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- 66-48 is firmly in "wishy-washy-admin-concerned-about-their-credentials-closes-as-no-consensus" territory.--WaltCip (talk) 18:58, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is the only organization I've ever seen where 60% can agree on something and it won't happen because there's "no consensus". And it's because people think "consensus" means "unanimity". – Levivich 19:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- As much as (as you well know) I think she for ships is pretentious and stupid, there’s also something to be said for the idea that for a rule to be promulgated that presumes to short-circuit the choices of editors on individual articles, the level of consensus should be very high. Our day will come. EEng 20:37, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with that principle, but I think the way we go about it violates the principle rather than follows it. Right now, there is an exception in GNL (allowing "she" for ships), and that exception is opposed by 58% of editors. That's not "very high" consensus, or even majority support. The way it works, we need very high consensus to remove a rule (or part of a rule, or an exception to a rule), even when retaining it doesn't have consensus. Generally the way decisionmaking works on Wikipedia is that we want consensus for adding, and then consensus for removing, but instead we should be demanding consensus for adding, and consensus for retaining. When we require clear consensus to remove rather than clear consensus to retain, we get stuck in this netherworld where, even though it's clear there isn't consensus to retain (and there wouldn't be consensus to add), we nevertheless retain language because there isn't clear-enough consensus to remove. Status quo thrives in the netherworld of no consensus. That means there's an "addition advantage" like a first-moved advantage: language that is added to pages (any pages) is sticky and difficult to remove, unless you revert it right away and claim BRD. Unless promptly reverted, it becomes "longstanding consensus language", and you need a supermajority to remove it. And the end result of that is that you get confusing policies and other pages, where people's sort of slap-dash additions stick, and it's very difficult to do something like, revise an entire policy page so that it's internally consistent and makes sense. Hence, Wikipedia's byzantine system of PAGs is born. (Same goes for requiring consensus to delete pages, as opposed to requiring consensus to retain them.) – Levivich 20:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- All true. EEng 09:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with that principle, but I think the way we go about it violates the principle rather than follows it. Right now, there is an exception in GNL (allowing "she" for ships), and that exception is opposed by 58% of editors. That's not "very high" consensus, or even majority support. The way it works, we need very high consensus to remove a rule (or part of a rule, or an exception to a rule), even when retaining it doesn't have consensus. Generally the way decisionmaking works on Wikipedia is that we want consensus for adding, and then consensus for removing, but instead we should be demanding consensus for adding, and consensus for retaining. When we require clear consensus to remove rather than clear consensus to retain, we get stuck in this netherworld where, even though it's clear there isn't consensus to retain (and there wouldn't be consensus to add), we nevertheless retain language because there isn't clear-enough consensus to remove. Status quo thrives in the netherworld of no consensus. That means there's an "addition advantage" like a first-moved advantage: language that is added to pages (any pages) is sticky and difficult to remove, unless you revert it right away and claim BRD. Unless promptly reverted, it becomes "longstanding consensus language", and you need a supermajority to remove it. And the end result of that is that you get confusing policies and other pages, where people's sort of slap-dash additions stick, and it's very difficult to do something like, revise an entire policy page so that it's internally consistent and makes sense. Hence, Wikipedia's byzantine system of PAGs is born. (Same goes for requiring consensus to delete pages, as opposed to requiring consensus to retain them.) – Levivich 20:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- As much as (as you well know) I think she for ships is pretentious and stupid, there’s also something to be said for the idea that for a rule to be promulgated that presumes to short-circuit the choices of editors on individual articles, the level of consensus should be very high. Our day will come. EEng 20:37, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is the only organization I've ever seen where 60% can agree on something and it won't happen because there's "no consensus". And it's because people think "consensus" means "unanimity". – Levivich 19:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- 66-48 is firmly in "wishy-washy-admin-concerned-about-their-credentials-closes-as-no-consensus" territory.--WaltCip (talk) 18:58, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- But counting posts for and against instead of editors, with Bus Stop around its 0.0000000036% for "it", 99.0000000064% against. EEng 06:39, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Right now, numerically 58% in favor of "it" (66-48). – Levivich 05:14, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Urquhart
Dear EEng, many thanks for your entertaining post at the MoS style discussion re "she" and "it". It brought back some very old memories; are you familiar with Unlikely Stories, Mostly by Alasdair Gray? If not, I think you would appreciate the tenth story in the collection. Best regards, --The Huhsz (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oh! How did that not come up in my research??? Thank you! I'm traveling now but will have a sit and read next time I'm at the library. EEng 17:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Pearls before swine
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Please keep casting your pearls. We are not all swine. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- You kind words fill me with joy. To openly plagiarize Tom Lehrer, while at the same time partially changing his words without making clear where or how:
“ | If after reading one of my jokes or seeing one of my lame visual puns just one human being is inspired to say something nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been worth the while. | ” |
US Airways Flight 1549 edit
Hi, this edit you made to US Airways Flight 1549 introduced a citation error, as there are still two usages of the named referenced "NTSB", which you deleted. You will probably want to fix that. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 18:24, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Howcheng, I'm not seeing any citations deleted in that diff. I am seeing that the NTSB citation error has been in that article for months. I think you may be mistaken. – Levivich 18:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Levivich: In that first change (line 14), there was a <ref name=NTSB> reference replaced by {{r|NTSBMay2010}}. If you scroll to the reference list, you'll see that ref #22 is now an error. This error did not exist in the previous revision. —howcheng {chat} 18:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Don’t panic, everyone. I’ll look at it. EEng 18:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oops, you're right, I was looking at the wrong diff. – Levivich 18:42, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- I take back what I said [50]. You’re an idiot. EEng 18:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, at least I'm not the one leaving citation errors all over the place. – Levivich 18:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- I take back what I said [50]. You’re an idiot. EEng 18:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Levivich: In that first change (line 14), there was a <ref name=NTSB> reference replaced by {{r|NTSBMay2010}}. If you scroll to the reference list, you'll see that ref #22 is now an error. This error did not exist in the previous revision. —howcheng {chat} 18:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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What is the point of that image, joke, whatever it is? I for one do not think that Monty Python wannabe moments are welcomed on such a discussion. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 18:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Look, you urged someone to stop with the constant aspirations; you don't expect me to let an opportunity like that go to waste, do you? I went with Jesus because I couldn't find any sufficiently evocative pictures of aspirators. See also WP:ASSPERSIANS. EEng 18:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Personally, I would have gone with a shot of Darth Vader with the Rogue One line about "be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director," but that would need a good (free) Vader picture. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 18:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- I always wondered whether DV might not have been talking to the director of the movie. EEng 21:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Personally, I would have gone with a shot of Darth Vader with the Rogue One line about "be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director," but that would need a good (free) Vader picture. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 18:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Dear Saddo, you probably need to be aware that EEng may be, in fact, perpetually "on the cusp between childhood and adulthood". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC) p.s. and this was one of the very few times that EEng admits he "went with Jesus"
- Good job; aspire away. cheers :) Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
EEng, although I think it is amusing, I also think this image and caption is unhelpful (so apparently does Sadko). Moreover I think it might be found legitimately offensive by some, so I removed it. But you reverted me. Dicklyon agreed with me, and also removed it, but you've reverted again. How is it that you think this image is so useful in that discussion that you feel compelled to keep it there even though three of your colleagues disagree? Maybe you should reconsider? Also, you seemingly called me "the least perceptive participant in the discussion". While I don't mind PA's against myself, sticks and stones and all that, let me take this opportunity to politely ask you to at least try to be more collegial with other editors. Regards, Paul August ☎ 13:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I could only aspire to being the least perceptive participant in that discussion, Paul. But you have a fair point. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- ;-) I make no claims to being particularly "perceptive", all too often in fact I'm as dumb as a doorpost, so the sobriquet might be quite apt. Paul August ☎ 14:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'd like to hereby make a claim to being as thick as two short planks. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- ;-) I make no claims to being particularly "perceptive", all too often in fact I'm as dumb as a doorpost, so the sobriquet might be quite apt. Paul August ☎ 14:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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Right! Stop that! It's far too silly! Don't take this too seriously. Another user just wants you to know something you said crosses their boundaries of sensibility. |
- Now and then I insert one of my irreverent images or awful puns somewhere. Hardly a day goes by that I don't get one or two thanks for them, and now and then someone takes the trouble to thank me more extensively on this very page. But once every few months someone shows up to declare that a post is un-useful, or worse, and must be removed – even days after it was posted, during which hundreds of editors would have seen it. So who am I supposed to believe – the one, or the hundreds?And yeah, Paul August, if you feel the impulse to remove something which hundreds of others found unexceptionable, maybe you ought to consider how well calibrated are your own perceptions. If you don't get the joke you could ask. EEng 08:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Plip!
- No no. I got the joke, but jokes, even funny ones, can be offensive, don’t you think? (In this case, don't you think some Christians, who might have found the joke funny in a snarky sort of way, might also have found this image and caption offensive?) I don’t think you can legitimately conclude that “hundreds of others” found your joke unexceptionable. Silence does not mean agreement. And several editors, who have not remained silent, see problems here. And that you are right about the appropriateness many of your jokes, does not mean you are always right, right? Look I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I’m trying to give you some friendly constructive feedback. Paul August ☎ 12:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Bbbbbuttt... Lord EEng is always right. — JFG talk 17:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, as are we all ;-) Paul August ☎ 18:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's a common misconception. I'm only infallible when I say I'm being infallible. EEng 17:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Offensive jokes are the funniest ones, as everyone knows. Silence doesn't necessarily mean endorsement, but it does mean no one cared enough to bother; maybe we should have a Tsk-tsk button to balance the Thanks button. Look, if you want to remove something with an edit summary like "Maybe this is a bit overboard", I probably won't mind. But "This doesn't help" gets my dander up, because humor definitely helps (all else being equal), and the many shouldn't be denied their chuckle just because of a few lugubrious characters in the crowd. EEng 17:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- ... Except perhaps to the offended ;-) But seriously, I'm sorry that you took offense at my edit summary: "Don't think this helps". It wasn't my intention to offend. (My intention was to express that, in my opinion, the image in question was on balance unhelpful, that, while it was funny, I though some people might be offended and that, weighing that possible offense against the possible feel good chuckles of others was, again in my opinion, likely to be a net negative–perhaps I should have made that more clear ;-) However, that you took offense, at what I though was a harmless edit summary, should help you see that, other people might also find things you consider harmless offensive as well. (By the way you seems to be ignoring the whole Christian angle.) And of course humor helps sometimes, but you shouldn't always assume that you know when. (And "lugubrious"? Again with the insults?) So sorry about the dander thing, in the future I will try harder to keep your dander down. Paul August ☎ 18:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Look, let's keep it simple; WP:TPO is clear:
Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection
and as many here will attest, there's often more to these posts that meets the eye. I'm happy to discuss, but dislike unilateral action. Be assured there are no hard feelings, and I hope you will take a moment to visit The Museums.I'll just take a moment at this point to remind readers that nothing in this post should be interpreted as implying that
- Look, let's keep it simple; WP:TPO is clear:
- ... Except perhaps to the offended ;-) But seriously, I'm sorry that you took offense at my edit summary: "Don't think this helps". It wasn't my intention to offend. (My intention was to express that, in my opinion, the image in question was on balance unhelpful, that, while it was funny, I though some people might be offended and that, weighing that possible offense against the possible feel good chuckles of others was, again in my opinion, likely to be a net negative–perhaps I should have made that more clear ;-) However, that you took offense, at what I though was a harmless edit summary, should help you see that, other people might also find things you consider harmless offensive as well. (By the way you seems to be ignoring the whole Christian angle.) And of course humor helps sometimes, but you shouldn't always assume that you know when. (And "lugubrious"? Again with the insults?) So sorry about the dander thing, in the future I will try harder to keep your dander down. Paul August ☎ 18:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Bbbbbuttt... Lord EEng is always right. — JFG talk 17:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- No no. I got the joke, but jokes, even funny ones, can be offensive, don’t you think? (In this case, don't you think some Christians, who might have found the joke funny in a snarky sort of way, might also have found this image and caption offensive?) I don’t think you can legitimately conclude that “hundreds of others” found your joke unexceptionable. Silence does not mean agreement. And several editors, who have not remained silent, see problems here. And that you are right about the appropriateness many of your jokes, does not mean you are always right, right? Look I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I’m trying to give you some friendly constructive feedback. Paul August ☎ 12:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- (See section below.) EEng 06:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I only removed the image once, so I didn't violate WP:TPO, do you think otherwise? And the content of the image seems self evident to me, a funny jape (or jibe?) at the expense of Sadkσ, what am I missing? I did choose to unilaterally remove the image (just as you chose to unilaterally add it), so? I could have tried to discuss it with you first, but I thought it was more important to remove a possible source of offense first. Again I apologize for offending you, that was not my intent. Finally I will note that you've decided (again) not to address the fact that your image might have been offensive to Christians, do you not care? Paul August ☎ 16:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oh my god, are we still on this? It wasn't at anyone's expense; we all fall victim to the curse of the spellchecker or the autocomplete now and then, and there's no shame in it. Sure I care about giving offense, but to that I must add the words "within bounds", because there's always someone ready to take offense, no matter what. Here's a favorite joke of mine:
- Jesus is turning the stoning of an adulterous woman into a teachable moment. He says to the assembled mob: "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." Immediately he is struck in the head by a rock. Jesus cranes his head to see where it came from, then yells, "Goddamit mom, will you please go home?"
- I'm sure someone, somewhere is offended by that. I'm sorry, but that's just tough. EEng 21:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oh my god, are we still on this? It wasn't at anyone's expense; we all fall victim to the curse of the spellchecker or the autocomplete now and then, and there's no shame in it. Sure I care about giving offense, but to that I must add the words "within bounds", because there's always someone ready to take offense, no matter what. Here's a favorite joke of mine:
- I only removed the image once, so I didn't violate WP:TPO, do you think otherwise? And the content of the image seems self evident to me, a funny jape (or jibe?) at the expense of Sadkσ, what am I missing? I did choose to unilaterally remove the image (just as you chose to unilaterally add it), so? I could have tried to discuss it with you first, but I thought it was more important to remove a possible source of offense first. Again I apologize for offending you, that was not my intent. Finally I will note that you've decided (again) not to address the fact that your image might have been offensive to Christians, do you not care? Paul August ☎ 16:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- (See section below.) EEng 06:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Eeeeewwww! Dan Druff 123 (talk) 19:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- ;-) Funny guy that 123. Paul August ☎ 19:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Je suis EEng
So y'know the user box you have that's all like
?
Well apparently, I'm your sock, so Je suis EEng. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 01:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- For the record it was Ritchie (IIRC) who added that box to my userpage, I think back when I got blocked for satirizing poor, helpless Donald Trump.Legal note: As everyone here must know by now, to the extent I've ever said anything which could be interpreted as implying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron - that was just satire. I would never want people to think I was actually implying anything like that, to wit, that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron. - To repeat, I am not saying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron. - Anyway... Yeah, it's completely weird. According to the link you posted above, you and I are sockpuppets because we
share one peculiar interest – hunting down a long term abuse case, "BMX On Wheels"
. The only problem with that fine piece of reasoning is that I have no idea who or what this BMX On Wheels is. Do you? EEng 01:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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- An LTA I fought in my early anti-vandal days. I'm not sure if they even edit anymore.... but you aren't really an ant-vandal, so ????? 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 01:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think I even knew what LTA stands for until a few months ago. EEng 01:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- ant I still doan't understant why LTAnts do whant they do. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 01:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think I even knew what LTA stands for until a few months ago. EEng 01:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm confused. Could you clarify whether or not you are suggesting that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron? Thanks. – Levivich 19:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)- Gracious! Perish the thought that anyone would think I'm implying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron. - Now look here, old chap. Calling people "LTAs"?! That's just not cricket. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's pretty good. EEng 20:00, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- An LTA I fought in my early anti-vandal days. I'm not sure if they even edit anymore.... but you aren't really an ant-vandal, so ????? 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 01:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Not that anyone asked me, but I'd never compare DT to anything remotely insinuated above nor to a fascist nor a Putinpuppe-- Deepfriedokra 11:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Apparently, I need to work harder.-- Deepfriedokra 11:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well... at least he got some applause from all the Swiss trees in the audience. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- "I talk to the trees//But they don't listen to me."-- Deepfriedokra 21:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well... at least he got some applause from all the Swiss trees in the audience. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- The conspiracy grows deeper.... apparently, Me, you, Drmies, Tarage, Ponyo, BMK, Epic genius, and Legacypac are all the same person. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 15:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Pinging @Drmies, Ponyo, Beyond My Ken, Epicgenius, and Legacypac: Emergency meeting of the cabal! Usual place!
. (Sadly, I was forced to retire my Tarage sock in a huff late last year.) EEng 23:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oh no! Our super mega sock account farm has been found! ABORT SHIP! Time to throw away my five admin socks, then. epicgenius (talk) 23:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know about the rest of the suspects, but it's a well-established fact that EEng and I are socks. Especially when you take into account the fact that neither of us believe that
- Oh no! Our super mega sock account farm has been found! ABORT SHIP! Time to throw away my five admin socks, then. epicgenius (talk) 23:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Pinging @Drmies, Ponyo, Beyond My Ken, Epicgenius, and Legacypac: Emergency meeting of the cabal! Usual place!
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron. - it's a slam-dunk. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I definitely don't believe that
- it's a slam-dunk. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron. - either. But I'm pretty sure we're not all me. There's got to be at least two of us, right? epicgenius (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Wow. We could be twins. EEng 17:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- either. But I'm pretty sure we're not all me. There's got to be at least two of us, right? epicgenius (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Wait--that Graaf Statler idiot is User:Guido den Broeder? With his little articles on a knock-off version of Wikipedia called "Wikisage"? Funny--despite all their freedom from the Wikipedia yoke, their article on stoofkarbonade really doesn't offer much more than ours, though the entire Wikisage project smells like the world of before 1950, when father still cut the meat at the Sunday dinner table. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ha, his blog is on our blacklist: groetenuiteerbeek. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for the revert
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Navigating Wikipedia on mobile is pretty damn difficult especially if you've got butter fingers like I do. Sorry for the revert! Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 17:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've already eaten my live toad this morning, so don't worry about it. EEng 17:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Didn't mean to be responding to you
FYI my comment wasn't meant to be in response to you, which is why I didn't indent it. I see you have now though, so I figured I'd clarify that. And "panic" may be a bit dramatic, but I do think a redirect should be appropriately implemented and that it wasn't was worthy of at least addressing sooner rather than later. Cheers. --Pinchme123 (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- ANI is for urgent incidents and chronic behavioral problems. The title of a school bus article isn't that. EEng 07:54, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't take it there and I wasn't responding to you. That's all. --Pinchme123 (talk) 07:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say you did. EEng 08:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Did I say you did? --Pinchme123 (talk) 08:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Who's on third? EEng 08:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Who's on first.-- Deepfriedokra
- Women and children first. First things first. First do no harm. First the memory goes. Firth of Forth. Four Weddings and a Funeral. Colin Firth. EEng 14:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Firth and vermouth. At least no one said, "Gimme the water!"-- Deepfriedokra 15:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Fifth of bourbon. EEng 01:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Firth and vermouth. At least no one said, "Gimme the water!"-- Deepfriedokra 15:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Who's on first.-- Deepfriedokra
- Who's on third? EEng 08:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Did I say you did? --Pinchme123 (talk) 08:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say you did. EEng 08:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't take it there and I wasn't responding to you. That's all. --Pinchme123 (talk) 07:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
That was my fear too when I saw EEng comment on that section. creffett (talk) 22:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if you're aware...
but I thought you'd get a kick out of m:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations. m:Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations and its related pages are pretty funny (in a tragic way), if I dare say so myself. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've done my best to help out. [51] EEng 03:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Perfect :). Mdaniels5757 (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- It exerts a strange fascination. I can't unwatch it, can't decide whether it is, or is not, parody. EEng 15:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 15:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- The community needs to elect trustees that will clean house at the WMF. Levivich 05:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 15:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- It exerts a strange fascination. I can't unwatch it, can't decide whether it is, or is not, parody. EEng 15:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Perfect :). Mdaniels5757 (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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If you find time
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William McMurray (engineer) - could probably be expanded but the technical aspects are over my head. If/when you have the time, perhaps you could add some information about McMurray's contribution - maybe create a history section, and another about his inventions/patents, or whatever? Atsme Talk 📧 13:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- It's not my area but I can fake it well enough. However, I'm a little backed up right now. Ping me in two weeks if you don't see any movement on the article by then. EEng 15:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, I'm sorry to note that I never got to this. I'm afraid now isn't the time either, but I don't want you to think I plan to let you down. Ping me sometime when you think of it again, at least 6 months from now. This is probably something best done when the libraries are open. EEng 03:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Your interference over at DGG's talk page
Thank you for your opinion.
His talk page is extremely clumsy to use, he will obviously not fix it himself, and I trust you're not saying some editors stand above the law?
Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 08:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see you have found your way to the proper place to discuss this. See you there :) CapnZapp (talk) 08:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, this concerns [52].
- Now you're talking about "interference" and "the law". You need to find something else to do on Wikipedia. I'm serious. This nannying of others' user pages will not end well for you. EEng 19:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- Please remain civil. CapnZapp (talk) 14:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- Keep it up and I'll show you some real civility. EEng 18:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- Please remain civil. CapnZapp (talk) 14:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Your presence at Talk page guidelines
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- For those intrepid enough to still be playing along at home, this has now metastasized to [53] (that section and the one immediate following it)
Hello, EENG. It's one thing to actively argue "let's remove any numeric goal; here are my reasons..." It's another to passive-aggressively snipe at editors, which you just did more than once over at Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines#guidance on talk page size. I am writing this polite and personalized message to ask you to please stay out of the discussion if you have nothing constructive to add. Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 14:21, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- As seen right now in the thread at issue, you have a peculiar idea of what constitutes constructive discussion. I'm doing my best to help you see you're wasting your own and everyone else's time, but it's not working. EEng 18:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- If your idea of having a constructive discussion is "let's not discuss it, everything is fine as is" then you need to actively put forward arguments for that, arguments that then can be evaluated, rather than merely trying to shut down discussion. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 11:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Meh. 'fraid I don't have a large interest in making so large an issue of large user talk pages. And if you over archive, you're being secretive or something. Now, ima go protect or delete something.Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- If your idea of having a constructive discussion is "let's not discuss it, everything is fine as is" then you need to actively put forward arguments for that, arguments that then can be evaluated, rather than merely trying to shut down discussion. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 11:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
February 2020
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as WT:Talk page guidelines are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines, not for general discussion about the topic or unrelated topics, or statements based on your thoughts or feelings. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. CapnZapp (talk) 16:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia and for thanking me for my 70,000 contributions, including specifically 22,000 policy and other project-space posts. In return, your 8,000 edits, including almost 500 to project space, are appreciated as well. Your relentless rambling about whether we should have a rule specifying that 50K, versus 75K, is a good time to start archiving talk pages, and now a discussion about the meaning of something you could look up in wiktionary, is not appreciated nearly as much. EEng 16:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- CapnZapp, okay, templating EEng (after the normal, non-templated discussion above) is just condescending. Don't do that. Or, if you prefer:
- TEMPLATE
THE REGULARS
AT YOUR OWN PERIL
WRITEYOUR OWNA PERSONAL MESSAGE
MOREPERSONALTHOUGHTFUL
LESS STERILE
Burma-shave - (not my best work, but it'll do) creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, but even on a bad day you're pretty good. I changed PERSONAL TO THOUGHTFUL. EEng 19:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nice! Sounds and scans better. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 13:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Now changed YOUR OWN to A PERSONAL (avoiding repeat of YOUR OWN). Let's remember to get this one into the template. EEng 05:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- "Your own" scanned better, though. Repetition isn't always bad (see repetition (rhetorical device)) and avoiding it can be worse (see elegant variation). Also the question of whether repetition or its avoidance is better can get you into
lamefun wiki-arguments (see Template:Did you know nominations/Amy Langville). —David Eppstein (talk) 06:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)- I stand corrected, Herr Doktor Professor. EEng 14:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- "Your own" scanned better, though. Repetition isn't always bad (see repetition (rhetorical device)) and avoiding it can be worse (see elegant variation). Also the question of whether repetition or its avoidance is better can get you into
- Now changed YOUR OWN to A PERSONAL (avoiding repeat of YOUR OWN). Let's remember to get this one into the template. EEng 05:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- Nice! Sounds and scans better. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 13:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, but even on a bad day you're pretty good. I changed PERSONAL TO THOUGHTFUL. EEng 19:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
As compared to analog
So you made a joke and some censorious editor didn't like it. I don't like woke-scolds but I would defer to the editor-in-chief about comments on Signpost articles if it were me. Sometimes poking the hornets' nest, even on principle, doesn't turn out well. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) Chris Troutman (talk) 17:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, this concerns the repeated removal of the lower image-and-caption seen here [54]:
- The flaw in your analogy, Chris troutman, is this particular nest doesn't belong to the wasps – it belongs to the community. The Signpost's editor-in-chief most of all shouldn't be tampering with commentary on the items it publishes, and if Megalibrarygirl wants to selectively remove comments on her essays then she needs to publish them on her own user page. Of course, given the subject of the essay there's some irony to all this [55]. EEng 17:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- A lot of irony, actually: [56]. EEng 22:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- The problem, EEng, is that the joke is not neutral. You have your own intentions. However, I and Smallbones both pointed out to you that there were ways to interpret the caption as an insult to a group of people, in this case, non-binary people. You may not agree with us, but it is a valid interpretation of what you wrote and it is always best to err on the side of civility. Wikipedia isn't stand up comedy: it's a place full of people with very different ideas who need to work together and making some people a joke is antithetical to that. Since the image is now back up, please remove it. The second image which you posted with diffs, is also not civil in my opinion where you categorize people who are concerned about the joke as "
people intolerant of criticism of themselves
." I am not intolerant of criticism: I am intolerant of making marginalized groups the butt of any kind of joke. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)- Being born and bred in Berkeley I knew what a woke-scold was decades before the term was coined, and you are a woke-scold. By folding everything that anyone even conceivably could choose to take offense at (
there were ways to interpret the caption as an insult
– gotta love it) into one giant ball of weepy hysteria [57] you give a bad name to people (such as myself) who care about actual things that actually harm people. You prattle about civility but give a free pass to those who blatantly accuse other editors of conspiring to suppress coverage of women and so on. Turn that high-powered perception on yourself, busybody. EEng 02:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)- Hi EEng. I've been polite and only pointed out that you are being offensive. And you continue to do so. "Woke scold" is a new one! What you're doing is edit warring and escalating the situation and doesn't need to happen. If you don't like the truth, that's fine. But what you're doing is wrong and I'll say so. Notice I've not called you names or made any aspersions on your character. I said you did one thing wrong. You should admit your mistake and move on. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 14:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Behold the sermonizing social justice warrior on her high horse, clothed magnificently in dudgeon! So supremely arrogant is she in the certainty of her moral superiority! Christ, you lack even the modesty to qualify your opinions – phrases such as I think and it seems to me are traditional ways of reminding yourself that maybe, just maybe, you're just one editor among many, though of course they're unnecessary if you know you're always right. Maybe that's it.
- A polite woke-scold (e.g.
If you don't like the truth, that's fine
) is still a woke-scold. If by "edit warring" you mean I restored a comment – a comment you removed ... from a discussion of something you wrote ... because you disliked it or couldn't understand it – then you better give WP:TPO another read, Madame Administrator. - Every liberation movement goes through its That's not funny! stage, and the sooner that's over the better. No doubt you mean well, but you need an emergency injection of perspective, proportion, history, and humility. I'm a gay man who was fighting the good fight – and not by sitting behind a library desk in a pussy hat, I assure you – when you were in diapers, so I require no enlightenment about oppression and injustice. The next time you remove another editor's comment because it doesn't conform to your self-righteous standards I'll have you at ANI so fast it'll make your head spin. Signal your trendy virtues some other way. Got it?
- EEng 03:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC) P.S. Here, put this [58] in your pipe and smoke it.
- Hi EEng. I've been polite and only pointed out that you are being offensive. And you continue to do so. "Woke scold" is a new one! What you're doing is edit warring and escalating the situation and doesn't need to happen. If you don't like the truth, that's fine. But what you're doing is wrong and I'll say so. Notice I've not called you names or made any aspersions on your character. I said you did one thing wrong. You should admit your mistake and move on. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 14:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Being born and bred in Berkeley I knew what a woke-scold was decades before the term was coined, and you are a woke-scold. By folding everything that anyone even conceivably could choose to take offense at (
- The problem, EEng, is that the joke is not neutral. You have your own intentions. However, I and Smallbones both pointed out to you that there were ways to interpret the caption as an insult to a group of people, in this case, non-binary people. You may not agree with us, but it is a valid interpretation of what you wrote and it is always best to err on the side of civility. Wikipedia isn't stand up comedy: it's a place full of people with very different ideas who need to work together and making some people a joke is antithetical to that. Since the image is now back up, please remove it. The second image which you posted with diffs, is also not civil in my opinion where you categorize people who are concerned about the joke as "
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EEng, I think I know Megalibrarygirl pretty well. It's not my business to repeat what I've been told in confidence, but I will say she thinks Trump is a raving lunatic too and Boris Johnson is just missing the clown car. You are picking on the wrong target, If you think she is a "sermonizing social justice warrior on her high horse", you are so far out of whack on this one, you're in a different area code. She is not a shrinking violet at all. I mean, she's a flippin' atheist in Texas - what more evidence do you need? Now, in the words of Dr Evil, zip it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- A car? Who needs it !! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC) p.s. I'd just like to point out that EEng is never wrong, and even when he is he's totally woke.
- Well hello there, Ritchie. How good it is to see you around again; for a while we feared we might have lost you. You seem to be reading the situaton upside down:
- I'm not picking the wrong target, nor indeed any target. She picked me.
- I never doubted that she and I probably agree on most social and political issues, and I don't know where you'd get the idea I might think otherwise.
- Nor would I imagine she's a shrinking violet. Her problem's the opposite: she confuses her personal opinions – even on something as subjective as a joke – with what she calls "the truth", to the extent that she thinks it's OK remove others' discussion posts in violation of TPO because, well, she knows the truth. That's the behavior of armchair social justice warriors of the woke-scold variety, and as you know I have little patience for such hubris, especially from those on the thinking end of the political spectrum, who should know better.
- She had plenty of chances to back off and agree to disagree, but no. Perhaps she'll think twice should a similar situation arise in future.
- EEng 19:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, I think you're confused. I'm not picking on you. In fact, I've barely interacted with you. I only pointed out that one joke in the comments on the Signpost article was offensive and removed it to promote civility on Wikipedia. It would have been easier to just leave it off, but you don't want to do that. The joke is most likely going to stay up on Signpost, a place that should be neutral, since no one wants to start an edit war over a joke. Fine. I don't want to edit war either, but I also don't appreciate your personal attacks. It's really petty of you and shows you can't take criticism. Your joke is both regressive and offensive. If something is offensive to a group of people even if you don't think it is it's still offensive. Not sure why you don't understand that. I've said my piece, I spoke the truth and that's that. If you want to talk more, ping me. But leave off the sermonzing about who you think I am and how you think I should act. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Ultimately, I don't like to see two of my favourite editors slugging it out with each other. You both make enormous contributions to the encyclopedia and Wikipedia is a better place for having you both around. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- None of us can really say whether or not a joke is offensive to a group of people; we can only say it's offensive to us, individually. I've seen people say or do things on Wikipedia that I think are obviously and egregiously antisemitic. But I can't speak on behalf of all Jews, so it wouldn't be appropriate for me to assert that something was antisemitic or offensive to Jews–I can only speak for myself. And speaking for myself, I can say that I strongly agree with Ritchie about not liking to see two good editors going at it. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 21:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, just a regular day down at Sootypedia. Sweepevans123 (talk) 21:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Completely agree with all three of you. Now stand aside while I finish this off... EEng 21:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Jesus, will you get clue? In ==>YOUR OPINION<=== it's offensive. Can you really not see that it's just ==>YOUR OPINION<===, that everyone else need not kowtow[1][2] to ==>YOUR OPINION<=== and that it's not OK for you to remove another editor's post based on ==>YOUR OPINION<===? Apparently you still haven't reviewed WP:TPO as previously recommended, and maybe try taking a hint from the ever-wise Levivich and let someone actually offended (if there be any) speak for themselves; this isn't a schoolyard and you're not the teacher.
- As for
leave off the sermonzing about who you think I am and how you think I should act
– I can only interpret that as unconscious self-parody. I'm sure you're a nice person, and as said before I know you mean well, but these tautologies that begin by assuming that ==>YOUR OPINION<=== is obviously the truth are beyond tiresome. Give the broken record a rest now. Really. Tomorrow morning I have to play the authority figure and will be expected to say wise things, so I just haven't got time. - EEng 21:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC) P.S. Levivich, this might be a good time for you to break the tension with a Burma-Shave. Or not.
References
- ^ I've checked and so far as I can see, kowtow is not considered a culturally insensitive term. But maybe you know better. If you prefer I'll substitute genuflect [1]. -EEng
- ^ Darned Chinks. I'm so offended,
I've resigned twice.I'm in self-isolation for 14 days. -Martinevans123 (talk)
- Hoping that I am missing something here, but can anyone explain to me why using Chink in the above context is okay? Perhaps helpful if I copy the Wikipedia page introduction is an English-language ethnic slur usually referring to a person of Chinese descent.[2] The word is also sometimes indiscriminately used against people who look and have an East Asian appearance. The use of the term is considered offensive. Kees08 (Talk) 22:30, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'd be interested in hearing the answer to Kees08 question too. SQLQuery me! 22:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I'd be interested too. You're missing a diagnosis. It's not as if it's clearly been used in an ironic way, is it. There aren't even any irony marks. Disgusted of Wuhan Wells (talk) 22:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'd be interested in hearing the answer to Kees08 question too. SQLQuery me! 22:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hoping that I am missing something here, but can anyone explain to me why using Chink in the above context is okay? Perhaps helpful if I copy the Wikipedia page introduction is an English-language ethnic slur usually referring to a person of Chinese descent.[2] The word is also sometimes indiscriminately used against people who look and have an East Asian appearance. The use of the term is considered offensive. Kees08 (Talk) 22:30, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Levivich, will you marry me? EEng 21:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- No homo. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 21:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Breeder. EEng 22:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think you can get a device for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Breeder. EEng 22:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- No homo. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 21:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Scolding that that last batch of jokes are regressive/offensive/exclusionary goes here:
"Intelligent" discussion begins (heading by EEng, scarequotes by User:PackMecEng)
- Just in case it will matter to you, I think you happen to be in the wrong here. We all make mistakes, and we should all try to listen with an open mind to other people when they tell us we've made one. Paul August ☎ 16:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note, I didn't create this section, and so I'm not responsible for the title, and I make no claim that anything I've every done was "intelligent". Paul August ☎ 16:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- For the record I appreciate your intelligent intervention. EEng 16:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note, I didn't create this section, and so I'm not responsible for the title, and I make no claim that anything I've every done was "intelligent". Paul August ☎ 16:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- What you think does matter to me, actually. I'm always open to reasoned discussion on something like this because I recognize that my humor is sometimes a bit, um, shall we say... edgy (plus I'm always interested in learning more about why people find things funny or not funny, in any context). But because of Megalibrarygirl's precipitate action, that's not what this is about; it's about one editor setting up her personal judgment as overriding and unerring, and being unable to recognize that that was a mistake (and contrary to WP behavioral guidelines as well). EEng 18:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- I vote for trouts all around - I don't think MLG should have unilaterally removed your comment given her position (would have been more appropriate to either ask you to remove it or start a discussion), and I don't think you should have continued adding it after it was removed. This isn't a hill worth dying on for either of you, and I suggest both of you just take a deep breath and let it go. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 20:29, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- I have no plans on dying, but self-appointed scolds are a particular sore point with me. Had MLG simply offered her opinion, a quite possible outcome would have been that I would have found something even funnier to post in a different vein – strange how constraint can liberating in that way. But instead she took the in-your-face approach, and I just don't take that lying down especially from mop-holders.I let it go with my post 3 days ago timestamped 22:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC), but MLG just keeps coming back for more. I have little doubt, however, that she's learned her lesson and won't do this again – to anyone. EEng 21:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- One question seems to me to be how to determine whether something (say a joke) is offensive. Surely you agree that just because a joke was not intended to be offensive does't mean that it isn't offensive? Correct? So how do you determine whether something is offensive? Do a certain number of people need to be offended before something can said to be offensive? Maybe is not zero or one, maybe something is more or less offensive depending on the number of people who find it offensive? So even if only one person finds something offensive, then it *is* offensive, just not very? So what should one do if someone tells you they think one of your jokes is offensive? I guess it depends on how generous you want to be. For me, if some thinks one of my jokes is offensive—even if I think they are the only one who thinks so—I think my response would be to apologize, and retract it. It seems to me to just a matter of simple politeness. Paul August ☎ 11:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Better questions might be: why does it matter if a joke is considered by some to be offensive or not? Is there such a thing as an inoffensive joke? Should an offensive joke be treated differently than an offensive non-joke statement? Is making an offensive statement (joke or non-joke) a problem that requires correction? Only then can you get to: how many people have to think it’s offensive before it’s considered offensive? The base assumption i chafe at is the notion that a joke is some kind of frivolity, whereas being offended is an actual injury of some sort. I disagree with both characterizations. Just as I disagree with the characterization in this section heading. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 15:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Levivich: Sorry, I'm not following you. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Or something else altogether? Note as I've written above: I didn't create this section, and so I'm not responsible for the title, and I make no claim that anything I've every done was "intelligent". Paul August ☎ 16:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I've clarified that I inserted the heading of this subsection. EEng 16:15, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul August:, I'm disagreeing fundamentally that a joke should be retracted because it offends one or even more than one person. (Also, I didn't mean the header comment as a criticism of you or as implying that this conversation wasn't intelligent; rather, I think the conversation above the header was also intelligent.) The joke, as all good jokes, brought an important truth to light. In the context of an article about "invisible women" – about how women are overlooked by the history books – EEng made a joke about non-binary gender. This has many layers of meaning. First, it reminds the reader that non-binary people are, today, right now, the "invisible people", just as women once were (and, in many ways, still are). A second layer is that by looking at a picture of people who appear to be women and calling them "women", we are assuming their gender identity–something that modern society is trying to get away from. Calling them the first "non-binary" programmers (because they were programming analog computers) is a clever way of linking the struggles of women in the past to the struggles of non-binary people today, while simultaneously noting how language (here, the meaning of "non-binary") can change over time, just as social attitudes and oppressed group's rights and privileges can change over time. All in all, it's a clever way to say, "don't forget there are still invisible people today, and they're not just women". And this message was better delivered as a picture with a funny caption than as a long paragraph of text as I have provided here.
- So, should we then erase this message because – OMG! It has the word non-binary! It's a joke about non-binary! That means it's offensive! Kill it kill it kill it!! No, to me, that's just a really shallow understanding of a really deep and brilliant joke.
- Humor is a very powerful tool when it comes to changing minds, and, by extension, changing societies. It should not be discounted or eliminated based on one person's, or a small group of people's, sensibilities. At bottom, there is no such thing as an inoffensive joke. If it's not offensive, at least a little bit, it won't be funny. And if it's not funny, it won't be heard. So I think in these situations, we should leave the picture, not complain about being offended by a "non-binary joke", and instead be offended by the fact that non-binary people are even more invisible than women. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 17:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Levivich: Sorry, I'm not following you. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Or something else altogether? Note as I've written above: I didn't create this section, and so I'm not responsible for the title, and I make no claim that anything I've every done was "intelligent". Paul August ☎ 16:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I just said said that, had MLG simply offered her opinion, I'd likely have recast the joke some other way. Perhaps an intelligent conversation such as this one [60] could have ensued. But unilateral removal (which, I tire of repeating, TPO forbids)? Repeated unilateral removal? I've made my attitude on that abundantly clear above. EEng 16:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Regardless of whether or not the removal was right, I'm trying to say that your response could have been more polite. Just saying ... Paul August ☎ 16:28, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Better questions might be: why does it matter if a joke is considered by some to be offensive or not? Is there such a thing as an inoffensive joke? Should an offensive joke be treated differently than an offensive non-joke statement? Is making an offensive statement (joke or non-joke) a problem that requires correction? Only then can you get to: how many people have to think it’s offensive before it’s considered offensive? The base assumption i chafe at is the notion that a joke is some kind of frivolity, whereas being offended is an actual injury of some sort. I disagree with both characterizations. Just as I disagree with the characterization in this section heading. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 15:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I vote for trouts all around - I don't think MLG should have unilaterally removed your comment given her position (would have been more appropriate to either ask you to remove it or start a discussion), and I don't think you should have continued adding it after it was removed. This isn't a hill worth dying on for either of you, and I suggest both of you just take a deep breath and let it go. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 20:29, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- I started out perfectly polite [61] [62], inviting MLG to comment on what she was concerned about. EEng 16:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I tread carefully in these things, having been accused myself of being too silly on wiki-pages sometimes (although the more common accusation is that I'm too ponderously serious on wiki-pages, such as I'm being now—of course it's quite possible that both these things are true). Still, in this instance I happen to agree with those who have opined that these images and their captions are, at best, an unnecessary distraction from a significant discussion. If I'd been the first one to see them, I would probably have removed them myself, and I'm thinking through whether I still ought to do so. Also, while I'm absolutely certain this is not how the word was intended to be used here, I am also surprised that no one has observed yet that "scold," used as a noun, is perceived as having sexist connotations and, especially in reference to a specific female editor, should generally not be used. Addendum: I should add that I have a very high level of respect for your (EEng's) talents and abilities, and a disagreement on this specific item doesn't detract from that. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Newyorkbrad, for the record I have a high level of respect for your talents and abilities, and I'm not just saying that because you're an arb and, ya know, you never know what turn things might take. I want to be sure you read Levivich's post above at #Levivichx because, while he's read in a bit more than I had in mind, by doing so he demonstrates vividly why humor is powerfully useful in getting people to think in fresh ways about important and difficult issues. EEng 18:57, 10 March 2020 (UTC) P.S. Sorry, I reject your scold scold; in modern usage the word's been fully liberated [63].
- Followup: I said earlier that discussion, instead of knee-jerk censorship, had a good chance of stimulating me to find a better way to make my point. Thanks primarily to ol' Levivich, here we go:
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- I dare anyone to find offense in that.We turn now to the great John Stuart Mill (On Liberty, "Chapter II: Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion"):
- We have now recognised the necessity to the mental well-being of mankind (on which all their other well-being depends) of freedom of opinion, and freedom of the expression of opinion, on four distinct grounds; which we will now briefly recapitulate.First, if any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own infallibility.Secondly, though the silenced opinion be an error, it may, and very commonly does, contain a portion of truth; and since the general or prevailing opinion on any subject is rarely or never the whole truth, it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied.Thirdly, even if the received opinion be not only true, but the whole truth; unless it is suffered to be, and actually is, vigorously and earnestly contested, it will, by most of those who receive it, be held in the manner of a prejudice, with little comprehension or feeling of its rational grounds. And not only this, but, fourthly, the meaning of the doctrine itself will be in danger of being lost, or enfeebled, and deprived of its vital effect on the character and conduct: the dogma becoming a mere formal profession, inefficacious for good, but cumbering the ground, and preventing the growth of any real and heartfelt conviction, from reason or personal experience.
- TLDR? Thinking people don't suppress; they discuss. EEng 19:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK let's get married because you just quoted my favorite philosopher, and it was my favorite chapter of my favorite book of his, and you quoted it at length. (You had me at "it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied".) Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:53, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I knew you'd come around, Mr. Nohomo. I usually introduce On Liberty as "the greatest piece of political philosophy ever written" but for some reason this time I hesitated for fear the discussion would get sidetracked by a debate about that. EEng 20:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK let's get married because you just quoted my favorite philosopher, and it was my favorite chapter of my favorite book of his, and you quoted it at length. (You had me at "it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied".) Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:53, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I dare anyone to find offense in that.We turn now to the great John Stuart Mill (On Liberty, "Chapter II: Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion"):
As I was reading through all this, on my watchlist I saw the edit summary for your most recent edit: excellent in other contexts, but beside the point here
. In a nutshell, that's how I, and I think many others, too often feel when we see your humorous images and captions in places like the noticeboards. Please bear in mind the old aphorism that "a nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place—like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard." And after all, no one can quarrel with that, as it's a well-known proposition of Euclid. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm the first to admit that some of my posts aim merely to break the tension or buoy spirits. But are you claiming that the image+caption above doesn't make a memorably useful point in the context of the original discussion? EEng 20:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I claim that it very foreseeably became a distraction that substantially outweighed the value of any point you intended to make in the thread. Next, diverting the thread still further to an argument about whether the image and caption should remain, with a re-posted image with a new and nasty caption of its own, was a double digression or meta-digression. Removing the images from the thread was, at a minimum, a very defensible thing to do, and your harsh and unnecessary personal comments about the editor who took the lead on trying to remove them were yet a further distraction from the original discussion. In addition, your position that you might have been willing to see the image removed after all, if you had been asked more nicely, is in tension with your position that the seeming joke actually carried substantial informational value. As for the word "scold," we'll have to agree to disagree; if you continue using it in the context of specific female editors, I predict that sooner or later a serious complaint about the connotations underlying the word will be raised. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- "The majority of individuals punished for scolding were women, though men could also be labelled scolds." Yes, a bit like the common cold, but might be more serious and lead to 14 days "self-isolation". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- You're off on the sequence of events (for which you can be excused given what a mess it was) but I'll just say that once it was explicitly asserted that it "could very easily be taken that you are making fun of non-binary people. We don't do that" – naming me specifically as committing this alleged transgression – there's no way I was going to leave the record uncorrected. Smallbones chose the venue by posting that where he posted it.
- I didn't say I'd be willing to see the image removed (though it's the caption we're really talking about), rather I said that non-kneejerk discussion had a good chance of leading to a better caption. And it finally did.
- EEng 02:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- I claim that it very foreseeably became a distraction that substantially outweighed the value of any point you intended to make in the thread. Next, diverting the thread still further to an argument about whether the image and caption should remain, with a re-posted image with a new and nasty caption of its own, was a double digression or meta-digression. Removing the images from the thread was, at a minimum, a very defensible thing to do, and your harsh and unnecessary personal comments about the editor who took the lead on trying to remove them were yet a further distraction from the original discussion. In addition, your position that you might have been willing to see the image removed after all, if you had been asked more nicely, is in tension with your position that the seeming joke actually carried substantial informational value. As for the word "scold," we'll have to agree to disagree; if you continue using it in the context of specific female editors, I predict that sooner or later a serious complaint about the connotations underlying the word will be raised. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I see nothing in your responses above that indicate to me that you are listening to or taking on board any of the constructive criticisms your fellow editors are trying to give you. It would be good if you could try harder to do that. Paul August ☎ 14:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- No, I'm listening; I just don't agree that my original posting was inappropriate. And it seems to me that you're not listening to or taking on board what I've said: Discussion, not suppression. I will now say for the final time that intelligent, non-kneejerk, non-strongarming discussion not only could have, but finally did, lead to something better. The mess in between is entirely down to one editor's ham-handed arrogation to herself of the role of censor. EEng 15:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- That you seem to believe that everything you've done here was perfectly appropriate—that you seem to believe all your critics are wrong—that you take no responsibility at all for any part of this problem—is disheartening. If you continue in the same vein I don't think this will end well. Paul August ☎ 17:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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- All of which still leaves the question whether I should remove the whole set of images and captions from that talkpage as being a disruptive distraction from the discussion. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Why would that be a call for a single editor to make? Levivich [dubious – discuss] 17:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- If at the same time you remove Smallbone's public implication that I'd "attack[ed] or mock[ed] [a] group whose members include those who do not have a choice about their membership in the group", and leave (floated to the right, of course) the image with the revised caption (the one seen above in this thread – which surely comports well with both the original essay and the discussion) I'd be perfectly happy with that. EEng 18:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- What point exactly are you trying to make with the gorilla image on the right? Are you saying NYB's trying to intimidate you? If so it would be better to say so directly. That's another problem with some of your images, their use as innuendo. Paul August ☎ 19:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- That's the image - and caption - that got EEng blocked in what was possibly the most incompetently vindictive block in Wikipedia's history. I assure you NYB will be well aware of exactly what it's meant to mean. ‑ Iridescent 19:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm glad NYB will know what it means, however (clueless me) I still don't ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:33, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks to my glittering array of (talk page stalker)s for saving me the trouble of explaining. I will just add that this little subplot illustrates a principle which, had it been applied to the main issue of this whole thread, would have saved a great deal of gnashing of teeth and tearing out of hair: instead of jumping in to denounce something which you imagine might offend someone else, maybe try letting the someone else speak for themselves. And for the record, if I thought that NYB was trying to intimidate me, yes, I'd just say so. Now stand by while I find a tasteless joke on innuendo (assuming Levivich or some other clown[FBDB] doesn't beat me to it). EEng 19:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- With the help of some stalkers, I found what I was looking for: this brilliant chain of puns by Guy Macon. (Key words and phrases: pun account in arrears • semicolonoscopy • innuendos.) Please note: Guy's just coming back after a serious illness so please visit his page to wish him well. EEng 02:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks to my glittering array of (talk page stalker)s for saving me the trouble of explaining. I will just add that this little subplot illustrates a principle which, had it been applied to the main issue of this whole thread, would have saved a great deal of gnashing of teeth and tearing out of hair: instead of jumping in to denounce something which you imagine might offend someone else, maybe try letting the someone else speak for themselves. And for the record, if I thought that NYB was trying to intimidate me, yes, I'd just say so. Now stand by while I find a tasteless joke on innuendo (assuming Levivich or some other clown[FBDB] doesn't beat me to it). EEng 19:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm glad NYB will know what it means, however (clueless me) I still don't ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:33, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- That's the image - and caption - that got EEng blocked in what was possibly the most incompetently vindictive block in Wikipedia's history. I assure you NYB will be well aware of exactly what it's meant to mean. ‑ Iridescent 19:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- What point exactly are you trying to make with the gorilla image on the right? Are you saying NYB's trying to intimidate you? If so it would be better to say so directly. That's another problem with some of your images, their use as innuendo. Paul August ☎ 19:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- All of which still leaves the question whether I should remove the whole set of images and captions from that talkpage as being a disruptive distraction from the discussion. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
(outdent) I remain convinced that those images and captions are a disruptive distraction and don't belong on that talkpage. However, given everything else that's going on right now, on Wikipedia and in the world, we don't have the luxury of enough energy and bandwidth for the drama that would probably ensue if I removed them again. Therefore, I will reluctantly drop the issue at this point. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- But there's always a silver lining. With everyone sequestered at home with little to do, I expect that the NPP backlog and any open arbitration cases will be resolved with remarkable speed. EEng 20:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
John Harvard
The first substantial version of the article had full dates, and it's standard in biographies. GiantSnowman 21:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'd prefer you raise such things on the article's talk page. But whether a bio's opening parenthetical give full birth/death dates, or just years, is not a WP:DATERET issue, and "standard" (your word for usual) does not mean universal or required. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Birth_date_and_place. EEng 21:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- And I'd prefer you to raise such things on the article talk page rather than continue to revert. No, "standard" means "encouraged" ie every FA I can recall features full dates. Stop twisting Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Birth_date_and_place (which I referred you to in the full place) which states "These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject" (my emphasis) and "if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context" (my emphasis). You've also conventiently ignored the first full version from 16 years aho which used full dates. Care to comment? GiantSnowman 21:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- The MOS that you so adamantly point to says "if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context". So in your insistence that year ranges are insufficient, you are pushing a position that is actually in contradiction to the MOS, rather than being supported by it. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Except of course Harvard's birth date is not mentioned in the article... GiantSnowman 08:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Article, infobox, whatever. The distinction matters only to checklist-obsessed scriptkiddies lacking judgment of their own. EEng 17:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Except of course Harvard's birth date is not mentioned in the article... GiantSnowman 08:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- To what D.E. has said I'll just add that you keep talking about how some version from two decades ago had it, as if this is a WP:DATERET issue, which it's not. Good articles are made by applying sound editorial judgment, not filling in blanks on a form. EEng 04:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oh look at today's FA Muhammad III of Granada which has...full dates! GiantSnowman 08:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Only those inhabiting the incestuous FA bubble hold up FAs as paragons. The idea that the very first thing on which we should squander one of our most precious resources – the reader's attention and desire to keep reading – is the specific date of the year on which someone was born and died, as if our target demographic was astrologers, is Exhibit A for the stupidity of the FA process. EEng 17:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oh look at today's FA Muhammad III of Granada which has...full dates! GiantSnowman 08:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- The MOS that you so adamantly point to says "if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context". So in your insistence that year ranges are insufficient, you are pushing a position that is actually in contradiction to the MOS, rather than being supported by it. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- And I'd prefer you to raise such things on the article talk page rather than continue to revert. No, "standard" means "encouraged" ie every FA I can recall features full dates. Stop twisting Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Birth_date_and_place (which I referred you to in the full place) which states "These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject" (my emphasis) and "if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context" (my emphasis). You've also conventiently ignored the first full version from 16 years aho which used full dates. Care to comment? GiantSnowman 21:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Something you're both forgetting - "may be sufficient". My point is that is not sufficient. GiantSnowman 08:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- A point you assert with nothing to back it up. If you want to further pursue this preoccupation with form over substance open a thread on the article's talk page. EEng 17:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- [edit conflict] What is your explanation for why it is critical to bring the readers' attention to the date of his birth, and not just the year, as the first thing they see about him? Among the other facts that could be stated about him at equal length in the lead sentence, why is this one the most important? You are asserting this with no justification, making your argument highly unconvincing. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- PS GiantSnowman if you want an opportunity for a bigger crusade about dates and date formats, take a look at the recent contributions of Citation bot (the ones where the edit summary includes "Add: date" or some other combination of additions including dates). All the added dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format. (I happen to like this format for accessdates but I don't think it's acceptable for publication dates, and they're being added as publication dates.) —David Eppstein (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Jesus, you're more pissed off about this than I am. That's a lot of pissedoffedness. EEng 22:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Not at GS today, though. Instead I am pissed off about having to spend all my editing time running around after Citation bot and cleaning up its many messes, and at its owner's intransigent attitude when anyone points out that it is not housebroken. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
- Jesus, you're more pissed off about this than I am. That's a lot of pissedoffedness. EEng 22:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
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Would you please strike the unkind remark? --valereee (talk) 10:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Which one? I've been unkind to so many people lately. However, if you mean this [64] it sounds like you've already figured out [65] that I was parodying the unkindness of someone else. EEng 13:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, lol...actually, you seem in general like a very kind person. :) Yes, I know you were reflecting back what someone else was putting out there, only with humor, and I certainly understood the impulse. I just this morning rewrote or deleted multiple responses to the thread. :) --valereee (talk) 13:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Then what was the unkind remark you want me to strike? Or perhaps you meant there's some unkind person you want me to strike? I'm rarely violent but for you I'd do it, and right now there are several people I'd be inclined to strike anyway. EEng 14:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know why we are dancing on the head of a pin with this; EEng, strike the belittling remark to do with RexxS's RfA and in your edit summary, apologise. Also, quit with the violence jokes. Aside from the jovial air in which you are doing this, Valereee, I do appreciate your efforts to finish someone else's dirty work. CassiantoTalk 14:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- RexxS is exhibiting precisely the poor temperament that participants at his RfA were concerned about, and when Valereee explained how confusing a certain template's usage was he called her "inept" (and not in a joking way) so I stand by my post. And your affected hand-wringing about "violence jokes" strikes me as a low blow. Maybe sleep deprivation has made you punchy? Don't be so pugnacious. Let's all just knuckle down and get back to editing. I could give you a backhanded compliment if you want. EEng 15:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know why we are dancing on the head of a pin with this; EEng, strike the belittling remark to do with RexxS's RfA and in your edit summary, apologise. Also, quit with the violence jokes. Aside from the jovial air in which you are doing this, Valereee, I do appreciate your efforts to finish someone else's dirty work. CassiantoTalk 14:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Then what was the unkind remark you want me to strike? Or perhaps you meant there's some unkind person you want me to strike? I'm rarely violent but for you I'd do it, and right now there are several people I'd be inclined to strike anyway. EEng 14:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, lol...actually, you seem in general like a very kind person. :) Yes, I know you were reflecting back what someone else was putting out there, only with humor, and I certainly understood the impulse. I just this morning rewrote or deleted multiple responses to the thread. :) --valereee (talk) 13:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
A reminder
Just a reminder to talk-page stalkers that this is not that place to say anything that could be interpreted as implying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron whose selfishness and stupidity
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.
I'd ask everyone to confirm here that they understand that they shouldn't be saying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron whose selfishness and stupidity
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.
EEng 19:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) I don't actually want to be the one pointing this out but I do need to remind you that contentious information about living persons is required to be referenced inline anywhere it is published on Wikipedia, including user talk pages. If you're concerned that the information above might be considered contentious in good faith, please consider backing this up with a reliable source. I'm sure you can find one. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Atsme Talk 📧 14:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Our good friend Ivanvector is absolutely correct. Do not post anything implying that
Donald Trump is a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron whose selfishness and stupidity
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.- without a reliable source. EEng 14:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Fix your typo - oh, and here is a RS. (Not meant to encourage you).
Atsme Talk 📧 15:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Fix your typo - oh, and here is a RS. (Not meant to encourage you).
- without a reliable source. EEng 14:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Question: Do the refs have to be in citation templates, or is it OK if I reference
Donald Trump is a sociopathic[1]-narcissist[2]-racist[3] criminal[4] moron[5] whose selfishness[6] and stupidity[7] with plaintext links? Levivich [dubious – discuss] 15:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000[8] Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.
- The verifiability policy is satisfied if you've identified the source; the method by which you do so is a manual of style matter. So yeah, excepting that this might be WP:SYNTH, I think we're done here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:43, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe it would be better as two sentences to avoid Synth:
Donald Trump is a sociopathic[1]-narcissist[2]-racist[3] criminal[4] moron.[5] His selfishness[6] and stupidity[7] have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000[8] Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 – - Levivich [dubious – discuss] 15:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.
- Maybe it would be better as two sentences to avoid Synth:
- The verifiability policy is satisfied if you've identified the source; the method by which you do so is a manual of style matter. So yeah, excepting that this might be WP:SYNTH, I think we're done here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:43, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, it should be stated that this is not the place where you share the opinion of [RS] who have called Trump a...yada yada,[citation needed] and the opinion of [RS] who said...[citation needed] and...well, you get the drift AND by doing it that way, you avoid SYNTH. Atsme Talk 📧 16:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC) Underlined correction to align w/EEng's context. 20:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, it looks like the Museum here will be pretty busy for the next five years. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sir Joseph, what? The Dems are choosing between Statler and Waldorf, how can they possibly lose?
- Honestly, all jokes aside, if that guy sends me a check for $1000 I just might vote for him. Unless Biden sends me more. Not because I think he is the best candidate, but because I want to encourage future candidates to send me cash during election years. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 16:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, it looks like the Museum here will be pretty busy for the next five years. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- You may be on to something, Lev!! I like your thinking. Atsme Talk 📧 16:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Levivich, Actually, it's dead-even at Predictit since the Dems got smart and dumped Sanders. [66] But blaming Trump on Coroavirus is pretty stupid and also wrong. I don't like Trump, I'm also a political independent in a purple state (and I think Bloomberg was poor timing). I know Trump banned incoming flights from China and people complained. I know people will complain no matter what Trump does, but sometime he does the right thing. And sometimes the NYTimes will chop his quotes in half just to make him look bad, like when he told states to look into getting masks and supplies on their own, and then added he will be there for them and fund it. Everyone knows supply chain is best at a local level, but the NYTimes ran "President tells states, you're on your own." So why not tone down the rhetoric and stupidity. That's not what we need now. As the former (Obama-Era) FEMA chief said when he was on MSNBC right before he walked off the air, "I don't need to deal with this from bull shit people." Sir Joseph (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- He banned flights from China but left huge loopholes for ships' crews and so on, and pretended that walls an closed borders would solve the problem.
he told states to look into getting masks and supplies on their own, and then added he will be there for them and fund it
– what the fuck does "be there for them" mean??? This needs to be a full-court press, all-hands-on-deck, no-effort-or-expense-spared, every-avenue-pursued war effort. People are going to die for lack of ventilators starting in two to four weeks. Every extra ventilator produced will save 10 lives over the next eight months; every mask will save 1/1000 of a life – and President Trump – who as I keep stressing I am not labeling a
- He banned flights from China but left huge loopholes for ships' crews and so on, and pretended that walls an closed borders would solve the problem.
- Levivich, Actually, it's dead-even at Predictit since the Dems got smart and dumped Sanders. [66] But blaming Trump on Coroavirus is pretty stupid and also wrong. I don't like Trump, I'm also a political independent in a purple state (and I think Bloomberg was poor timing). I know Trump banned incoming flights from China and people complained. I know people will complain no matter what Trump does, but sometime he does the right thing. And sometimes the NYTimes will chop his quotes in half just to make him look bad, like when he told states to look into getting masks and supplies on their own, and then added he will be there for them and fund it. Everyone knows supply chain is best at a local level, but the NYTimes ran "President tells states, you're on your own." So why not tone down the rhetoric and stupidity. That's not what we need now. As the former (Obama-Era) FEMA chief said when he was on MSNBC right before he walked off the air, "I don't need to deal with this from bull shit people." Sir Joseph (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet
- – as late as yesterday was saying he wasn't invoking the War Production Act to order companies to start producing these vital things because "we might not need it". So get real. EEng 20:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- According to the stats and the high number of cases in New York, maybe Cuomo should have started sooner with his efforts and stop depending so much on the federal government. State governments are the ones at ground zero. Atsme Talk 📧 21:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Governors cannot invoke the War Production Act . However, Cuomo did offer companies, including startups, premium prices for robes, masks, etc.
- Trump: “I take no responsibility at all.”
- Cuomo: “I take responsibility, these decisions are mine. Get mad at me.”
- O3000 (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) NPR the 18th. Atsme Talk 📧 21:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Governors cannot invoke the War Production Act . However, Cuomo did offer companies, including startups, premium prices for robes, masks, etc.
- EEng, Have you ever dealt with the Federal government and requisitioning? Why should all the states have to put in a request for masks from DC when they can do it themselves better and cheaper if they can get it from a supplier closer to home? That's the latter part of the quote the NYTimes left out. Parly JIT and partly that Trump said he'll fund it and be there for states that need funding and supplies, but said it's best to use your own resources. The NYTimes ran with the headlines that Trump said "you're on your own." When that is not what he said or meant. And it's your vile and nasty TDS that makes me, a real independent in a purple state, who doesn't like Trump at all, vote for him because I can actually see things with a clear unbiased eye, unlike you. I apparently don't fall for Chinese propagnda.Sir Joseph (talk) 21:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
"you're on your own." When that is not what he said or meant
– That's clearly what he meant. He has no idea what's going on or what to do. He's a compulsive, shameless liar.Have you ever dealt with the Federal government and requisitioning?
– Yes, actually, I have, but this isn't about "requisitioning" – we're not talking about office supplies and garbage cans. Ground was broken on the Pentagon in September 1941 and the first occupants moved in the following April; when it's important, it can get done – if competent people are in charge.This has nothing to do withChinese propaganda
. The Chinese government is run by selfish, greedy motherfuckers who don't give a shit about the people for whose good they're supposed to be working, or about the rest of the world; that's been true for a long time and I can't do anything about it. The sadness is that, at present, the American government is run by the very same kind of people. If you can't see that [67] you're delusional. EEng 00:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)- Update: Headline today (NYT): "Former Labradoodle Breeder Tapped to Lead U.S. Pandemic Task Force" – more Chinese propaganda, I suppose. By the way, how's that JIT thing working out? EEng 01:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- According to the stats and the high number of cases in New York, maybe Cuomo should have started sooner with his efforts and stop depending so much on the federal government. State governments are the ones at ground zero. Atsme Talk 📧 21:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Ok, it's time for Buddy Hackett. Laughter truly is the best medicine. Hackett keeps me in stitches without having to make a single suture. Atsme Talk 📧 22:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Before I forget - don't fall for fake news telling you that all you need is a mask and gloves to go to the grocery store. It's a LIE!! Everyone else had clothes on!! Atsme Talk 📧 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Wait, what?! That was not made clear from the outset. I want to be grandfathered in. --valereee (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Will you settle for being grandmothered in? Atsme Talk 📧 17:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, yes, yes, I knew someone would bring that up. Grandfathered, grandmothered, grandxthered. Whatever pronouns and nonbinary descriptions work for the general progressive public. --valereee (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Will you settle for being grandmothered in? Atsme Talk 📧 17:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, er, I hope it was clear that was a joke :) social anxiety due to hearing crickets when making a joke --valereee (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- We all cool, don't worry. EEng 16:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Absolutely, Ms V - you one-upped us in a fun way!! I echo what EEng just said - 😎. Atsme Talk 📧 16:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- We all cool, don't worry. EEng 16:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, er, I hope it was clear that was a joke :) social anxiety due to hearing crickets when making a joke --valereee (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
A reconsideration
Back in March, in this very thread, I counseled my fellow editors not to post anything implying that
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet
without a reliable source. Well, it's been six months and time to take stock again. In my modest opinion we are now more than justified in stating openly what has long been obvious i.e. that
have put anywhere from 100,000 to 2,000,000 Americans on a conveyor belt to death since January 1 –
they just haven't arrived at the crematorium yet.
Source: "Trump’s Deliberate Coronavirus Deception" (among many others).
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So it's time to get real. An elderly colleague of mine – a World War II veteran, a fine mathematician and wonderful teacher, a man whose boots Donald Trump is not worthy to lick – suffocated alone in a nursing home because of Trump's greed, stupidity, narcissism, and criminality. So fuck you, Donald Trump, fuck the racist father who begat such a slime bucket as you, fuck the agent of Satan who put a hole in the condom that God had intended would spare the world the stain of your existence, fuck the rest of your criminal family, fuck the morons who voted for you, and fuck any morons who vote for you again. EEng 18:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
P.S. If you don't like the foregoing, get your head out of your ass.
P.P.S. If you voted for Trump and aren't a moron, then fuck you double, since you knew better but did it anyway.
- I am so very sorry to hear about your friend, and I agree wholeheartedly with your description, your "modest opinion", and your anger. We have lost, and will continue to lose, many good people. "Fine mathematicians", kindly bus drivers, selfless healthcare workers, the nice neighbor...the list goes on and on. We value the kind comfort and wisdom of an "older friend", the human potential of those just a bit, and even quite a bit younger..each person is such a dreadful loss. "No man is an island entire of itself;...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind." Donne expressed it so well. With sorrow for your loss, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 04:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your thoughtful words are most comforting, as is the vision of Donald Trump being sodomized in hell by Russian whores wearing red-hot barbed-iron strap-ons while Melania sticks needles into his tiny, misshapen penis. Satan was on Fox News the other night explaining it all, and complaining about the headaches Trumps's causing him. He's had to build acres of new tortures just for the Cabinet alone, and Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Tojo, and Pol Pot are up in arms because the VIP wing is full and one of them's gonna have to bunk with Trump, which none of them wants to do because he's so stupid and boring. EEng 05:49, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- You are most welcome. The devastation that one, unprincipled, dishonorable person in a supreme position of power can cause is truly horrifying. And quite terrifying. In your creative imaginings, I think the lying tongue would be first to go. Please, try to remember the good experiences with your dear friend, who is free from suffering. Imagine the knowledge that is now clear to him, the mathematical joys and marvels of the universe! I hope some good thoughts of what "Heaven" is like for your dear friend will give you some comfort. I know you are suffering, and again, I am so very, very sorry. Sending you a nice, My Cat Jeoffry "Tiger" hug, Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 08:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your thoughtful words are most comforting, as is the vision of Donald Trump being sodomized in hell by Russian whores wearing red-hot barbed-iron strap-ons while Melania sticks needles into his tiny, misshapen penis. Satan was on Fox News the other night explaining it all, and complaining about the headaches Trumps's causing him. He's had to build acres of new tortures just for the Cabinet alone, and Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Tojo, and Pol Pot are up in arms because the VIP wing is full and one of them's gonna have to bunk with Trump, which none of them wants to do because he's so stupid and boring. EEng 05:49, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Let me attempt to offer some comfort about your loss, as well. Also, as it happens, a few days ago I watched Downfall (2004 film) (on South American river prime). I highly recommend the film, by the way. But something that struck me as I was watching was how much of the film revolves around various Nazi military brass telling Adolf, with Berlin burning all around, that they could not prevail, to which the revered leader would respond with a combination of blaming everyone except himself, and promising that some half-baked inspiration that just came to him would save the day. The generals would cower until one would get up the nerve to suggest very gently that it would not be possible (by a long shot), and the supreme one would hear nothing of it, certain that his own unique brilliance would prove infallible. I may be breaking Godwin's law, but it felt eerily familiar. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, my friend. Of course, while Hitler was fairly intelligent and surrounded himself with reasonably competent (if corrupt) people, Trump's saving grace is that he's a moron who surrounds himself with other morons who can't pour water out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. Now back to our regular programming....
- It never gets old:
- Hitler finds out Donald Trump has won the presidential election
- Hitler can't pay for dinner
- Hitler hates flying coach
- Hitler's Nutella goes missing
- Hitler gets Covid and has to quarantine
- Hitler can't get his Amazon Prime deliveries due to Covid
- Himmler fails to unclog the toilet
- Hitler's uncontrollable farting problem <== Curator's top pick
- Hitler is stuck in slow motion
- Hitler rants like a chipmunk
- Hitler hates the Downfall parodies
- Hitler still hates the Downfall parodies
- EEng 03:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the heads-up on Wikipedia policy, IP-with-six-edits! (Article now at AfD.) EEng 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Whoa. That's harsh. --A D Monroe III(talk) 21:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Double palindrome Burma-Shave haiku
Improvements welcome. – Levivich [dubious – discuss] 15:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- 🤯🤯🤯🤯Burma-shave
I provided an exploding palindome instead. Atsme Talk 📧 13:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Rear admiral (lower half)
Hello. I just wanted to reply to the question you left on Illegitimate Barrister's talk page. So, technically, there is no actual upper half as it is actually now an informal term. When an officer is promoted to two-star rank, the rank is just called rear admiral. Another informal term for two-star rank is a full rear admiral. Prior to World War II, the Navy didn't have a one-star rank. All captains were promoted to rear admiral (two-star). A more ridged pay grade scale was established during World War II and the Navy split the pay for the more junior rear admirals into the one-star pay grade in order to match the Army and Marine Corps rank of brigadier general and called them lower half rear admirals, the remaining more senior rear admirals were paid equal to major generals, and where designated the upper half of rear admirals. But regardless of they were paid at the lower half or the upper half of the pay scale, they were all officially two-star rear admirals, which did not sit well with the Army and Marine Corps, because the rear admirals being paid at the "lower half" of the pay scale, still outranked the one-star brigadier generals who received equal pay as the "lower half" rear admirals. The Navy temporarily established the one-star rank of commodore that did solve this problem until the rank was eliminated after the war. A permanent naval one-star rank was not established until the 1981 as commodore admiral. Since 1983, that one-star rank was renamed to it's current inception as rear admiral (lower half). Neovu79 (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, this relates to [68].
- That's all well and good, but if they only use the lower half of the rear of the admiral, what they do with the rest of him (or her). I've heard food on ships is terrible, so maybe that's related? See [69]. EEng 03:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- You're failing your public here, EEng. The title of this section is just crying out for an image. Phil Bridger (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Your wish is my command:
- You're failing your public here, EEng. The title of this section is just crying out for an image. Phil Bridger (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- EEng 16:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I prefer the rank of full bird private, myself. creffett (talk) 18:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- I couldn't resist, Private Creffett. Atsme Talk 📧 00:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- I prefer the rank of full bird private, myself. creffett (talk) 18:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- EEng 16:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Museum of misnomers?
From Library of Congress Living Legend: By 2019, without new membership, a majority of the Living Legends had died.
Levivich [dubious – discuss] 22:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Similarly, most of the French Academy's "Immortals" [70] are dead -- see List_of_members_of_the_Académie_française. EEng 06:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't
provide an image to illustrate the title Purging misconduct. It would spoil my breakfast. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- I was tempted actually, but a photo of someone vomiting
is too obvious, our photos of Soviet purges
aren't obvious enough, and we don't even have a photo of Miss Conduct. EEng 22:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- 😂 Atsme Talk 📧 14:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Come on down..... it's Danny's Early Purge Special!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Personal attacks
Today you've called me "naive", "sophomoric", and "crazy". Please stop. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to make your points without being demeaning and insulting. Toohool (talk) 04:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Those were not personal attacks, but a description of actions and/or situations. El_C 04:31, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Judging someone as inexperienced (naive) is not a personal attack, nor is saying that the situation is "getting crazy". However calling someone "sophomoric" is. Paul August ☎ 10:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- But it is my understanding that, in this case, EEng was referring to the "analysis" as sophomoric, rather than the editor in question themselves. El_C 11:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- No way sophomoric is a PA. If someone is acting overconfident and immature, then they are being sophomoric, and saying so isn't "attacking" them. Not every criticism of a person is an "attack". Just like the common example: saying "you're acting like an asshole" is a criticism, not a personal attack; saying "you are an asshole" is a personal attack. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, assholes. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 14:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oh common on, so your saying that If I want to get away with calling someone "a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole" all I have to do say is: "You are acting like a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole"? Paul August ☎ 14:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- But the latter statement isn't "getting away" with something. In O these many long years I have, now and then, had occasion to say to my boyfriend, "You know what -- you were acting like a complete asshole [the other day / with that hotel clerk / to the innocent person who was clearly mixed up / whatever]". That's completely different from saying, "You know what? You're a complete asshole", which would quite possibly be the beginningn of the end of the relationship. We all play the asshole now and then, and there's a huge difference between helping someone see that in a particular situation -- e.g. "You're being an asshole" -- and condemning someone as a blanket generality -- e.g. "Donald Trump is an asshole" (not that, of course, I'd ever say that here on WP without citing appropriate sources [71]). EEng 17:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. Another example: "Your mother smells of elderberries" is a clear personal attack, but "you're acting like someone whose mother smells of elderberries" is a perfectly acceptable social criticism. But seriously, it's not a personal attack to say someone is acting overconfident or acting immature, and thus it's not a personal attack to say someone is acting sophomoric. "Sophomoric" isn't an insult like "asshole" or "elderberry". WP:NPA doesn't say "never criticize". Levivich [dubious – discuss] 14:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Saying someone whose mother smells of elderberries might be construed as a compliment, whereas saying someone whose mother smells like dingleberries...uhm, no. Atsme Talk 📧 01:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- English is such a wonderful language, so many words, so many nuances allowed, so better able to describe the real world, where things are not black or white but shades of grey. There are shades of niceness and meaness. You can be nicer or meaner. Saying someone is "sophomoric" is meaner than calling them "inexperienced". Bottom line "sophomoric" is a pejorative. No way around it. And by the way I think you are acting like a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole, no offense intended ;-) Paul August ☎ 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Make that 50 shades of grey Atsme Talk 📧 01:18, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe EEng thought the editor was a freshman and trying to compliment them? creffett (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- You have to watch out for EEng. He's the one who put the wasp in waspish. Probably deserves a trout... maybe even a Lee Trout. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- A long time ago I had a colleague from Ukraine. His English was very good but nonetheless there was room for improvement. We both enjoyed movies so we used to see one together now and then. One night we came out of the cinema and he pointed to the sky: "Look! There is the Mars!" So I chuckled and explained that, for whatever reason, in English the earth is "the earth" and the moon is "the moon", but Mars is just "Mars" and Venus is just "Venus" and so on. He said, "I see. Well, it's just one more of the nuisances of English." One step, two steps later, something began to nag at the back of my mind. With each additional step the nagging got stronger. Six, seven, eight paces. Nuisances ... nuisances ... nuisances. A few more steps and it hit me. "Wait ... you mean nuances???" He said: "Yes, yes. That's what I meant. Nuances." That was the most delicious moment. EEng 21:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- No way sophomoric is a PA. If someone is acting overconfident and immature, then they are being sophomoric, and saying so isn't "attacking" them. Not every criticism of a person is an "attack". Just like the common example: saying "you're acting like an asshole" is a criticism, not a personal attack; saying "you are an asshole" is a personal attack. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, assholes. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 14:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- But it is my understanding that, in this case, EEng was referring to the "analysis" as sophomoric, rather than the editor in question themselves. El_C 11:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Judging someone as inexperienced (naive) is not a personal attack, nor is saying that the situation is "getting crazy". However calling someone "sophomoric" is. Paul August ☎ 10:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, this goes back to [72]. EEng 05:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Mrgendering
Touché. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 09:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators
I just... can't stop staring at the pageview graph of Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators. So many questions come to mind. and also that picture should garner more accolades imo --Mvbaron (talk) 14:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Annotation_2020-06-04_165032.jpg/220px-Annotation_2020-06-04_165032.jpg)
- Somebody or other's birthday. -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 14:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Is the picture at right depicting such a dilator? It seems somewhat... aggressive, and I'm worried about the purpose of the serrated-teeth structures of the lower part. --A D Monroe III(talk) 01:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Following your interest in this and other anatomical topics, you may be interested in this one, too. This would be an academic interest, of course – no offence intended. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[Confused editor?]
- Blow it out your ass! EEng 13:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Nobility
I feel like you missed an opportunity to try to have baby mama and baby daddy endorsed as encyclopedic terms in the context of nobility. pburka (talk) 00:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- You refer, of course, to [73]. Well there're certainly plenty of places such terminology would come in handy. EEng 02:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Engvar and MOS
Hi, I'd always assumed AmEng was used in MOS, simply because it was the first to appear when the page was initially under construction. Tony (talk) 05:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- But you see, MOS (and therefore MOS:ARTCON) doesn't apply to MOS, indeed doesn't apply to anything outside article space. (Exception: ACCESSIBILITY, though nominally a MOS subpage, applies everywhere.) It's probably a good idea that each individual essay or policy be self-consistent, but MOS is so sprawling that's probably impossible anyway, and its internal variety is a fun reminder of the Wikipedia salad bowl. EEng 13:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Is it me, or does "Engvar and Mos" sound like an early 20th century detective drama series? "I say, Engvar old chap, bit of a sticky wicket over here." "Yes, I can see what happened there Mos, bit of a top-ho there." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Or maybe a law firm, like Dewey, Cheatem & Howe or Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short. EEng 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Is it me, or does "Engvar and Mos" sound like an early 20th century detective drama series? "I say, Engvar old chap, bit of a sticky wicket over here." "Yes, I can see what happened there Mos, bit of a top-ho there." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Implausible album cover art
Sadly, this and this appear to be fakes.
This, however is 100% kosher.
Can I interest you in a NSFW genuine photo of an Irish police horse on duty? Narky Blert (talk) 20:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
dogma drama
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Terrier_mixed-breed_dog.jpg/150px-Terrier_mixed-breed_dog.jpg)
Here, I'm giving this to someone with a refined sense of humor capable of appreciating it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Someone as degraded as you will enjoy [74]. EEng 20:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
"Kung Flu"?
So considering that our dear leader has recently taken to using the term "Kung flu" to describe the pandemic, are we to suppose—see above—this is a case of great minds thinking alike, or is he reading this page? For my money "moo goo gai pandemic" would have been the smarter choice. Paul August ☎ 21:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- He definitely reads this page. EEng 21:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Brooks
Friendly feedback, this is an unfortunate choice of place to take a stand even if you are within the letter of WP:TALK. Visual jokes on the talk page of an article about a recent homicide are crass at best, and based on your extensive record of carefully considered editing I am optimistic that you will step back and re-assess. VQuakr (talk) 23:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- I appreciate your taking the time to drop by. I am not taking a stand, though I suppose Bus Stop may choose to – we shall see. Maybe some people can edit on topics laying bare the worst humanity has to offer, day in and day out, without a laugh break, but I'm not one of those stoics. I'll note that I am regularly thanked for these little gestures – and not just by the disreputable rabble who hang out here on this wretched hive of scum and villainy – so I'm afraid I'll take those thanks over the complaints of Mrs. Grundy.BTW anyone who didn't like that joke most certainly won't like [75]. EEng 00:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Possibly not. All the best. VQuakr (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Your added images
Hi EEng—why are you adding/restoring images to the Criminal history section here here and here? Why are you doing that? Bus stop (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- EEng is contributing to the talk page in EEng's usual style. If you don't like the contribution, you can either comment to say so in the discussion, or just ignore it. One of those two options takes no effort and doesn't waste other editors' time. --A D Monroe III(talk) 00:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Have you read
J Prod Anal? Levivich [dubious – discuss] 05:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Its penetrating investigations are complemented by in-depth reporting. Harvard's catalog adds candidly – AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP – Frequency note: Irregular [76]. EEng 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Fan club
You've got [rb.gy/ydvby9 some fans]. GMGtalk 17:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- I can think of few things as pathetic as being kicked out of Wikipedia, and then writing about Wikipedia from the outside. What a sad, meaningless existence one must live to have time for that. I hope TDA is at least getting paid for this.
- Hmm...
- How much do you think Breitbart would pay for a tell-all expose about EEng from one of his top lieutenants? Asking for a friend. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 17:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not gonna lie that I think it would be hilarious to get them to print something Sokal-esque, outing EEng as...I dunno...a paid agent of the Wyoming government or something. Whatever is silly enough to be obvious nonsense but serious enough to get published. GMGtalk 18:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- You mean all I have to do to get famous is litter talk pages with false and inflammatory stuff? —valereee (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Do you mean you've not yet been mentioned in a source? I once apparently reverted a senior advisor to the president. You gotta step up your game. GMGtalk 00:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
What does one do after their 15 minutes of fame? O3000 (talk) 00:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I can think of few things as pathetic as being kicked out of Wikipedia, and then writing about Wikipedia from the outside.
– What, you never heard of Encyclopedia Dramatica, Wikipedia Review, Wikipediocracy, [77]? EEng 04:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Images
I am sorry to see that you've been given a hard time offsite regarding your recent editing on a high-profile article.
However, I do have to agree with other editors above that the images you added to the talkpage discussion there are inappropriate to the serious context of that discussion, to such a degree that I have removed them. As I did once before, and as others did above, I'll suggest that these humorous interpolations be reserved for contexts to which they aren't jarringly unsuited in tone. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 06:52, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not my best efforts, certainly. But what is this, cleanup day? If you don't cut it out I'm going to hire Flyer to put together a harassment case against you. Next you'll be removing this image [78] too. "I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?" EEng 07:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen that one. I'm actually working on an article at the moment, so I'll leave it to others to deal with the crop crap. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- I think it's more of a crop crack. EEng 12:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen that one. I'm actually working on an article at the moment, so I'll leave it to others to deal with the crop crap. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Brad. Paul August ☎ 09:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Completely unrelated to the above ... I was planning to move this page, after the MfD closed as Keep, from "Editors who may be confused" to "Editors whose usernames may be confused." I think that's a better title for the page, and likely to avoid, um, confusion, since the reference is to mix-ups of usernames and not people's addled mental states. After having posted the above, I decided it would be too much for me to make that change unilaterally and maybe look like I'm quashing another joke, so I'll just leave the idea here instead. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have always considered you a gentleman and a scholar. EEng 07:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't think it's allowed for me to reply at JMF's talk page. Even PermaLink/966748849 was ill advised, I do believe...the rev. I'm talking about is PermaLink/966741182. As far as deleting the thread, I do respect your advice, really, and under other circumstances I'd take it, but it's been nothing but attacks and misrepresentations from JMF, in my view. Trolls email me little man
multiple times a day in retaliation for my activism against QAnon/8chan, which I haven't even done too much of lately, yet the emails keep coming. It's one of my ignored phrases on Twitter, along with little boy
. I want there to be a record he said this, and an admin read it, and decided it contravened WP:CRD. I don't want it swept under the rug, because if he's willing to say this to me, who knows what other slur he's willing to call another editor who upsets him. This can't be worked out without an apology from him, and even then I'm going to avoid interaction as much as possible. It's really upset me. Wikipedia is something of a safe space for me, free of the personal attacks I suffer everywhere else online, and it's been violated. If that sounds overly SJW to you, or millenial, or leftist, or whatever, I'm sorry, but I'm not in a good place mentally right now after, well, what is mentioned at the end of my article, about me leaving the Philippines, my home of six years. I was diagnosed with major depression probably due to an adjustment disorder as it happened in February and many days all I manage to do is edit this site, and on days I don't, I do nothing or next to it. This is on top of WP:ASPERGERS, diagnosed since age 15, and OCD, which I'm not on anything for as I don't like any of the options and my obsessions don't bother me. Sorry to bombard you with info you probably don't care about, I just want you to know where I'm coming from. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Wow, I'm really sorry this is all happening. Look, can you just take my advice (i.e. delete your post at ANI) just temporarily? Let me see what I can do because – again – ANI should be your last resort. If I fail you can always repost at ANI. EEng 00:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
John Maynard Friedman ANI clsing summary
Well said. I appreciate the positive efforts you've made toward resolving that incident. You certainly make my job as admin an easier one. So, thank you, EEng. Keep doing good. El_C 12:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Don't get too used to it. My parole officer says that put the final touch on my community service hours so as soon as the ankle bracelet's off I'll be back to my usual appalling self. EEng 14:16, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- El C, since I don't want you to regret your kind words, I want to be sure you understand that ...
- The lesson? I really am the nicest guy in the world, just like you thought, and willing to go to some length to help my fellow editors, but there's a certain kind of IDHT that gets my Irish up. (I must say these partial blocks do save a lot of drama.) EEng 15:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Followup: Buried in this rambling post [83] is a point I've made before, which is that I've never understood why we go to the trouble of redacting PAs and legal threats and so on. I think it's better to just collapse or
strikethem; otherwise others are left to guess what's in them, and newbies can't learn from them. EEng 15:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)- I didn't revdelete Vanisaac's comment. It remains in the permanent revisions for all to see. Sorry to see that Bison-X continues to be unhelpful by personally attacking you. I have warned them against continuing to do so. El_C 16:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, but even without revdel someone has to dig a bit to find what was said, so instead they imagine things; not a big deal but, as I said, I've always thought keeping things out in the sunshine is best. As for me, well, as someone once said [84],
EEng who, and I'm fairly confident that he would agree with me on this, seems pretty much flameproof, and who is quite capable of breathing hilarious-but-scorching flame himself when the need arises
. [85]. So while I appreciate the sentiment there are others who need the defense more, and anyway I don't think any advice you give BX is going to sink in. EEng 17:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)- My advise remains: to have some decorum to context. I try to view things from the viewpoint of the victim when there's victimization. Anyway, no further admin intervention is needed at this time, so I don't feel obliged to keep going on about this with them. Otherwise, they are free to bring to review anything they see fit at any time. El_C 17:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- I actually don't know what "decorum to context" means (though it has a nice ring to it). EEng 21:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- A sense of decorum that's governed by the context of the incident in question. It's not a riddle! El_C 21:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sort of like "add salt to taste". EEng 21:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, just so you know, Ivanvector seems to have forgotten to notify you as per WP:BLOCK that you are blocked from editing a user's talk page. I am sure it was just an oversight. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, the purpose of such a surgical block is to reduce drama, and imposing such a block silently achieves that very nicely, I think. The blocked editor finds out about the block in due course if need be, and if they object they can contact the blocking admin directly – unlike with a normal block, which restricts the editor to their own talk page. (If policy doesn't actually allow such silent blocks it should, I think.) EEng 05:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'm glad you agree that the block reduced drama but in retrospect I handled notification badly for this. For what it's worth and I'm sure you know already, I blocked you because you were interrupting a discussion which otherwise looked to be quickly heading for resolution among the offended parties, and while I'm sure you meant to help, their reactions to your comments should have shown you were not; I blocked when you started commenting what looked to me like parting shots. My apologies for not saying so then; I should also have said so in the discussion: clearly everyone else wasn't aware because they kept asking you to leave when you couldn't reply. Honestly I had not interpreted that the policy requires a notification, I spend most of my blocks on sockpuppets who as a rule I don't notify. Thanks to you both for the reminder. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 10:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Partial blocks are still new. We are in uncharted realms. Norms of decorum (that was for you, EEng) are, at this time, poorly-codified. What may seem intuitive may clash with the longstanding block policy. Still, editors in good standing deserve a notification with any sanction whatsoever, I think. Not that this is a big deal. It isn't. For my part, I welcome the input and intervention of other admins to this incident. El_C 15:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'm glad you agree that the block reduced drama but in retrospect I handled notification badly for this. For what it's worth and I'm sure you know already, I blocked you because you were interrupting a discussion which otherwise looked to be quickly heading for resolution among the offended parties, and while I'm sure you meant to help, their reactions to your comments should have shown you were not; I blocked when you started commenting what looked to me like parting shots. My apologies for not saying so then; I should also have said so in the discussion: clearly everyone else wasn't aware because they kept asking you to leave when you couldn't reply. Honestly I had not interpreted that the policy requires a notification, I spend most of my blocks on sockpuppets who as a rule I don't notify. Thanks to you both for the reminder. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 10:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, the purpose of such a surgical block is to reduce drama, and imposing such a block silently achieves that very nicely, I think. The blocked editor finds out about the block in due course if need be, and if they object they can contact the blocking admin directly – unlike with a normal block, which restricts the editor to their own talk page. (If policy doesn't actually allow such silent blocks it should, I think.) EEng 05:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, just so you know, Ivanvector seems to have forgotten to notify you as per WP:BLOCK that you are blocked from editing a user's talk page. I am sure it was just an oversight. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sort of like "add salt to taste". EEng 21:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- A sense of decorum that's governed by the context of the incident in question. It's not a riddle! El_C 21:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- I actually don't know what "decorum to context" means (though it has a nice ring to it). EEng 21:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- My advise remains: to have some decorum to context. I try to view things from the viewpoint of the victim when there's victimization. Anyway, no further admin intervention is needed at this time, so I don't feel obliged to keep going on about this with them. Otherwise, they are free to bring to review anything they see fit at any time. El_C 17:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, but even without revdel someone has to dig a bit to find what was said, so instead they imagine things; not a big deal but, as I said, I've always thought keeping things out in the sunshine is best. As for me, well, as someone once said [84],
- I didn't revdelete Vanisaac's comment. It remains in the permanent revisions for all to see. Sorry to see that Bison-X continues to be unhelpful by personally attacking you. I have warned them against continuing to do so. El_C 16:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Skip the drama
Hey, I saw your comment. I like the approach of directly being able to communicate with admins. Sometimes, I feel that someone is breaking a policy but I'm not sure and putting something on WP:ANI is definitely very accusatory (as if you know for sure they're bad). What kinda things did you mean by "skip the drama"? I'm curious to know your thoughts! VR talk 18:46, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- I mean any time you think you can get done what needs doing by contacting an individual admin, you should try that. ANI is perhaps the most-watched page on the project, and every thread opened siphons off a huge amount of editor energy just from people reading it. EEng 19:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- The last time this report was run (in 2017!) ANI was #10. I have some doubts about these results. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well there's clearly something very weird going on, with Lea Luboshutz, Russian violinist, being the #5 most-watched page, barely edged out by Draft:Lea Luboshutz. And the main page, which is #1, actually never changes, being nothing but transclusions of other pages which host the actual content. EEng 20:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- If you care, the explanation is fairly uninteresting. Someone who'd been here long enough to know better moved WP:Sandbox to Draft:Lea Luboshutz, taking all its watchers with it. Those people who are genuinely watching it will have unwatched Luboshutz as soon as the edits started showing up on their watchlist, but 99% of the Sandbox's watchers are zombie accounts who checked "add all pages I edit to my watchlist" when they set up their original preferences and subsequently made a test edit to the sandbox, and never edited again so it remains on their watchlist. (At the time of writing, the sandbox has 19,069 'watchers', only 733 of whom are actually active.)
- The reason Main Page has so many watchers is simple; while the MP itself never changes, Talk:Main Page is one of the most active talkpages on the project and because of the way Mediawiki handles watchlisting, the two come as a package deal. ‑ Iridescent 17:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Now you've gone and taken all the mystery out of it! EEng 18:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well there's clearly something very weird going on, with Lea Luboshutz, Russian violinist, being the #5 most-watched page, barely edged out by Draft:Lea Luboshutz. And the main page, which is #1, actually never changes, being nothing but transclusions of other pages which host the actual content. EEng 20:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- The last time this report was run (in 2017!) ANI was #10. I have some doubts about these results. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
White House Farm murders
Noted you have recently devoted time and focus to the Jeremy Bamber articles, EEng. I have several printed sources, and can delve. If you need any sections expanding or facts citing, let me know. Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 02:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hey there! Of course I wouldn't dream of doing anything substantive on White House without you, but first ... remember Moors Murders? There are (literally) 20 books on my shelf that have been waiting a year for me to get back to that. It'll be a big job, and you're gonna need to contribute too! I thought the pandemic would be a perfect opportunity to get deep into that, but turns out there's a lot of things needing doing during a pandemic if you really look for them. But I'm committed to following through on Moors.So for now, on White House I'm just trying to clear out the underbrush. It's impossible to read, much less comprehend, because of the haphazard organization, the jumping around in time, and the tone/overdetail problems. But, again, getting into real substance will have to wait until Moors is put to bed. (Actually, two things have already come up you might be able to address: (1) there's a confused paragraph on the parents' estates -- see the {explain} templates; (2) search the word grandmother -- which grandmother disowned him?) EEng 04:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well *coughs* (non-COVID-19) the firm I work for is considered an essential public service, EEng, so I had and have to work through the pandemic (not that I get public applause). I actually don't have this article on my watchlist, but may add it back. Just read sections and noted you were devoting focus. As for the Moors Murders article, it seems to have stagnated, I'll delve into that again going forward. Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well, I've read and annotated two or three of the main works on the Moors case, but there are several more to go before I can even begin to take stock. Somewhere we (you and me and Levivich and several others) did talk about a general plan for things that needed to be done; the one I remember in particular is the article completely fails to address social impact of the case. All in good time. EEng 23:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- June Bamber was the daughter of Leslie and Mabel Speakman. They had two daughters, but no son. Pamela married Robert Boutflour in '47; June Nevill Bamber in 1949. Therefore, as both married farmers themselves, the family wealth and property was to be bequeathed (I believe) between their daughters' families. The will was changed with David(?) Boutflour's encouragement in September of '85, with Jeremy Bamber removed as a beneficiary. This link may be of interest. --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Good work. As you can see the same kind of ownership impulses are bubbling to the surface as those which caused so much trouble on Moors, so batten down the hatches. EEng 02:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Think I receive the nautical direction. Aft it is. On top, though, I have to add that greater emphasis needs to be added to the "Jeremy innocent" advocates' claims.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- You may very well be right about emphasis problem; the problem is that, as it stands, it's impossible to absorb what the article currently contains -- much less evaluate it for balance -- because of its constant jumping around.From what you say you seem to be ready to give special attention to the hatches aft, which is good because we don't want any aft holes getting in the way of whipping this article into something like readable shape. EEng 02:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Déjà vu. Whatever happened to Moors murders, I wonder... El_C 02:32, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, I devote focus on one article at a time, typically, as I am sure you know. I'm more than wiling to devote focus upon areas of concern for yous. I will refocus on the Moors Murders article too in short time. El_C a collective focus is what we all wish for. Deja vu means something different to me... --Kieronoldham (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- El C, I'm not sure what you're asking or saying exactly, but it does seem that murder brings out the worst in our fellow editors. See also Insiders Call The White House 'Crazytown ... EEng 03:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Good, I remain a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a vest. El_C 03:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- "Whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."--Kieronoldham (talk) 03:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Good, I remain a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a vest. El_C 03:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- El C, I'm not sure what you're asking or saying exactly, but it does seem that murder brings out the worst in our fellow editors. See also Insiders Call The White House 'Crazytown ... EEng 03:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, I devote focus on one article at a time, typically, as I am sure you know. I'm more than wiling to devote focus upon areas of concern for yous. I will refocus on the Moors Murders article too in short time. El_C a collective focus is what we all wish for. Deja vu means something different to me... --Kieronoldham (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Déjà vu. Whatever happened to Moors murders, I wonder... El_C 02:32, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- You may very well be right about emphasis problem; the problem is that, as it stands, it's impossible to absorb what the article currently contains -- much less evaluate it for balance -- because of its constant jumping around.From what you say you seem to be ready to give special attention to the hatches aft, which is good because we don't want any aft holes getting in the way of whipping this article into something like readable shape. EEng 02:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Think I receive the nautical direction. Aft it is. On top, though, I have to add that greater emphasis needs to be added to the "Jeremy innocent" advocates' claims.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Good work. As you can see the same kind of ownership impulses are bubbling to the surface as those which caused so much trouble on Moors, so batten down the hatches. EEng 02:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- (responding to ping) England has a house they call the "White House"? They're such copycats. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 06:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- June Bamber was the daughter of Leslie and Mabel Speakman. They had two daughters, but no son. Pamela married Robert Boutflour in '47; June Nevill Bamber in 1949. Therefore, as both married farmers themselves, the family wealth and property was to be bequeathed (I believe) between their daughters' families. The will was changed with David(?) Boutflour's encouragement in September of '85, with Jeremy Bamber removed as a beneficiary. This link may be of interest. --Kieronoldham (talk) 23:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well, I've read and annotated two or three of the main works on the Moors case, but there are several more to go before I can even begin to take stock. Somewhere we (you and me and Levivich and several others) did talk about a general plan for things that needed to be done; the one I remember in particular is the article completely fails to address social impact of the case. All in good time. EEng 23:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well *coughs* (non-COVID-19) the firm I work for is considered an essential public service, EEng, so I had and have to work through the pandemic (not that I get public applause). I actually don't have this article on my watchlist, but may add it back. Just read sections and noted you were devoting focus. As for the Moors Murders article, it seems to have stagnated, I'll delve into that again going forward. Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Joke
I assume "Just a reminder that Arbcom has authorized escalating blocks for editors employing coy circumlocutions for boomerang is a joke, right? I don't keep up with ArbCom. - Alexis Jazz 12:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- No joke. I was completely serious. Really. Absolutely. No kidding. EEng 17:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Should of used the {{FBDB}} template... PackMecEng (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- That's "should HAVE used the {{FBDB}} template", you illiterate.[FBDB] EEng 22:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC) And stop calling me illiterate. My mom and dad have been married for 75 years!
- I am going to have to play the ESL card on that one! PackMecEng (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Dirty foreigner.[FBDB] EEng 23:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- That's "should HAVE used the {{FBDB}} template", you illiterate.[FBDB] EEng 22:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC) And stop calling me illiterate. My mom and dad have been married for 75 years!
- Should of used the {{FBDB}} template... PackMecEng (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Reviewing that discussion, I don't think it's proper that Guy should be blocking the OP of a thread about Guy.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[Confused editor?]
- Some Guys are not to be messed with. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- I figured it might be a heavily overused joke that everyone got really sick of or something. While I figured it had to be a joke, I wasn't 100% sure.. So you got me.
Of course I may get you back some day.
- Alexis Jazz 04:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- You're in the big leagues now, kid, so prepare yourself. EEng 23:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Run. —valereee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Once and for all
Let's settle this once and for all. Which is better?
- "Address the edit, not the editor"
- "Comment on the content, not the contributor" Levivich [dubious – discuss] 18:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
- Be pedantic, not a pedant. —valereee (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
- Wow, Valereee, Levivich may have met his match. I'll just note that all of the above are good starts for {{Burma-shave}}s. EEng 13:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I come bearing another gift~(`・ω・´)
The first two gifts (§ I think these new userboxes I made fit your aesthetic; § {{!tqi}} / {{!tqqi}}) fell a bit flat. (I despise all things French.
; I'm not quite getting the use case. [...] I remain mystified.
)
However, I am nothing if not persistent. I just see you as especially difficult to amuse, a fun side quest on Wikipedia. "Amuse EEng with a template".
So, let's see if I've managed it this time. Third time has got to be the charm!
See {{rainbow}}. Despite its name, you can actually choose any colors.
It's got some bugs, but haven't we all? (Don't answer that.) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 21:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
- Added to the toolbox [86]. But really, my man, no need to shower me with such gifts. EEng 01:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- I love this so much --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 01:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
not this again picture
Do you know the name of the image that expresses this sentiment so poignantly? I could use it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, DFO, what are you talking about? Wait, you mean this?
EEng 01:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Edit description
Thank you for the laugh, one of the best helpful yet funny edits. Philotimo (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you
I wanted to thank you for bringing a civil and engaging comment in the article's talk page. At least you read something about Pedro II, instead of basing yourself in guesswork or a simple dislike about something in the text. That's refreshing. I might have a couple of issues with your opinion, but they have a foundation. --Lecen (talk) 00:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Thanks, Bz. Before anyone panics, this was per a user's request that the page be renamed; it lives on as WP:Iron Law of Infobox Ubiquity. EEng 15:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- And, do you know.... she's got a lovely box. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Your user talk page is a garden of delights. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Grade inflation at harvard
Asking about your recent edit here. What makes this a "shock statistic", other than that some may be shocked to learn that it is a statistic? How would you like it to be contextualized? Gumshoe2 (talk) 16:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's a statistic which was obtained by shocking scientists until they gave the answer we wanted. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- For starters (in no particular order): [87] [88] [89] [90]. EEng 18:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It seems like the context you want was already provided by the previous sentence on the page. The sentence I added to the page was simply-stated and factual information. Of course various people may disagree about whether it is a positive or a negative fact. So why shouldn't it be included? Gumshoe2 (talk) 19:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- So you think the history of a 400-year-old institution should include this year's percentage of A's? EEng 21:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest we continue this at the harvard talk page Gumshoe2 (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- So you think the history of a 400-year-old institution should include this year's percentage of A's? EEng 21:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It seems like the context you want was already provided by the previous sentence on the page. The sentence I added to the page was simply-stated and factual information. Of course various people may disagree about whether it is a positive or a negative fact. So why shouldn't it be included? Gumshoe2 (talk) 19:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Notice of ANI that mentions you in passing
Greetings, FYI I filed a request at WP:ANI titled "CIR-based community-imposed site ban re: RTG". In providing a basis for my request I mentioned you and your prior dealings with this editor. Your input at ANI is optional, i.e., invited but not specifically requested. Thanks for reading. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Bah. Floating space monkeys are people too, you know!! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's been a while since anyone made a pass at me. Incidentally, you must have completely exhausted yourself preparing that report; just to lighten your load next time, it's not necessary to notify editors who are merely tangentially mentioned in a report. EEng 14:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Too true. These days there's no way you're gonna get away with throwing monkeys at a wall and seeing what sticks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Eeng, I thought the expectation was to always alert other eds when you mention them, regardless of venue? It's how I would like to be treated, so.... but thanks, you're right, I find documenting long running low intensity problems of that sort to be hard, since the community seems to ignore them if you don't paint the whole picture. And sometimes even if you do... NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, it's not a problem, just trying to (as I said) lighten your load next time you write a 100K ANI report. (I was amused that you quoted my "Uh oh". That was a very complete report.) The rule (as stated in the box at the top of the ANI page) is to notify anyone you are "reporting", which presumably means the person(s) at whom you are trying to direct the community's wrath. Notifying others (who will probably be pinged, depending on the technique by which you mention them, and on their preference settings) is probably optional, and in fact I could see an argument that pinging all the person the reportee (if that's a word) has tangled with might be seen as canvassing. In practice, though, I've never seen anything like any of these questions be a real issue. EEng 18:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- so true and too funny!
"...very complete report..."
thanks for the laugh NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- so true and too funny!
- Just to be clear, it's not a problem, just trying to (as I said) lighten your load next time you write a 100K ANI report. (I was amused that you quoted my "Uh oh". That was a very complete report.) The rule (as stated in the box at the top of the ANI page) is to notify anyone you are "reporting", which presumably means the person(s) at whom you are trying to direct the community's wrath. Notifying others (who will probably be pinged, depending on the technique by which you mention them, and on their preference settings) is probably optional, and in fact I could see an argument that pinging all the person the reportee (if that's a word) has tangled with might be seen as canvassing. In practice, though, I've never seen anything like any of these questions be a real issue. EEng 18:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
80 posts ?
EEng..I don`t understand what you meant by " says the IP who has made 80 post " I may have quoted you incorrectly word for word but it`s essentially what you said..I just don`t get..what is that supposed to mean ? Why did you say it ? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks 2600:1702:2340:9470:C66:8450:D2FC:FDCF (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- My comment here [91] was intended to highlight the fact that you were dispensing advice along the lines of "Behavior X won't get you very far on Wikipedia" to an editor with literally 500 times the editing experience you appear to have. EEng 23:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Why didn`t you just say that instead directing a borderline personal attack at me ? this guy who is constantly referring to himself as "we" isn`t exactly endearing himself to others..I was just trying to point that out 2600:1702:2340:9470:C66:8450:D2FC:FDCF (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- "We" (meaning Wikipedia – ""We do this", "We don't do that") is appropriate when explaining the project's fundamental rules and practices on which there's no debate whatsoever. When there's a living accused person, or likely to be one later, "we" don't label a death murder without an official determination on that point. As Stephen Leacock put it, "Newspapermen learn to call a murderer an alleged murderer and the King of England the alleged King of England to avoid libel suits." EEng 02:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- You could have just said that..actually if someone had said that from the beginning I`d have never said a word..I don`t appreciate the condescending attitude toward me regarding my 80 edits..the "we" thing was just plain obnoxious the way it was used..do not include me in your group because it suits your purpose..
- Can you at least explain the red links to me ? Some lead to page does not exist other to editors with 100`s if not 1000`s of edits..it`s confusing..
- The alleged king of England ? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:2340:9470:4E4:5FFD:55DC:40F2 (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I don't know what red links you're talking about. My very strong suggestion to you, if you want to contribute to the project, is that you create an account, which will give you credibility. If you have further questions about how Wikipedia works or how to edit, the Teahouse is a great place to ask. EEng 20:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- A redlinked user name just means the editor hasn't created their user page yet. —valereee (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- 80 edits? I'm surprised you're not already gon. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- "We" (meaning Wikipedia – ""We do this", "We don't do that") is appropriate when explaining the project's fundamental rules and practices on which there's no debate whatsoever. When there's a living accused person, or likely to be one later, "we" don't label a death murder without an official determination on that point. As Stephen Leacock put it, "Newspapermen learn to call a murderer an alleged murderer and the King of England the alleged King of England to avoid libel suits." EEng 02:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Why didn`t you just say that instead directing a borderline personal attack at me ? this guy who is constantly referring to himself as "we" isn`t exactly endearing himself to others..I was just trying to point that out 2600:1702:2340:9470:C66:8450:D2FC:FDCF (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Today in translation humor
I was just taking a stroll by fawiki (to remove some cross-wiki spam), when I tripped their abuse filter. Apparently Google translate thinks that their phrase for "abuse filter" is more properly translated as "sabotage factory" (see, for example, w:fa:ویکیپدیا:پالایه_ویرایش. I vote we call the edit filter the sabotage factory from now on. GeneralNotability (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Also fawiki has a user group called "Eliminators" (admin-light, I think). Maybe I should just move to fawiki... GeneralNotability (talk) 17:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Is there a f-f-s-wiki? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sounds like something from a novel about the dystopian future. There'd "Lawgivers", "Eliminators", a "Sabotage Factory" (for some reason) and so on.Actually, I figured out the factory. My translator's giving Sabotage refinery where I think you're getting Sabotage factory. So I think it goes mw:Extension:AbuseFilter -> refinement:sabotage -> sabotage refinery -> sabotage factory. No idea where eliminators came from, but whatever they are we should have them here for sure.
- I see also that regular expressions comes out (after a round trip into Farsi) regular phrases, and this gives me an excuse to tell a story. When my advisor – who for 50 years almost single-handedly created and nurtured the computer science program at <name of breathtakingly prestigious institution of higher learning redacted> – finally announced that he would retire someday (though he didn't say when exactly) there was a big celebration. I mean, not a celebration because people were happy he was retiring, but a celebration of CS at <prestigious institution> in honor of him.Somehow I got the responsibility of creating a <my advisor>-themed crossword puzzle for the program booklet – you know, something fun. I really got into it, and even if I do say so myself it was terrific. Much of it was lofty and inspirational. For example, one answer was the name of his wife, who happened to be the director of undergraduate admissions; the clue was "She supplies the fires to be lit". But other items were, shall we say, more earthy; for the answer "RE" (which in computer geekery means "regular expression") the clue was "Visage of those who get enough roughage". Whether my advisor ever worked this puzzle I do not know. EEng 23:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm truly honored! Thank you, EEng! --Bsherr (talk) 20:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- It is I who am honored to work with so many easily confused editors. EEng 03:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Personal attack by EEng. Thank you. Guy Macon (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- As usual, I missed the dramah because I was busy working on articles (specifically rescuing a draft so it wouldn't be nuked) .... typical Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Ritchie333: Sucha set of priorities. What is Wikipedia coming to? You'd think we were here to write an encyclopedia. 😜 --Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)[FBDB] Personally I think the idea about WMF handing out meds has definitely got legs. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- This was terrible editing advice, though. Where does E think haiku closes and burma-shaves come from? Lev!vich 16:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- A warped imagination, of course. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly! They come from Turbo Mind Warp and similar varieties. Lev!vich 17:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- So rude! That EEng's a real skunk, bro. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Calling EEng a "real skunk" is not a personal attack. But calling him a "fake skunk" would be. And if you smoke too much, you might call him a "skank funk". And think that it's funny. Anyway, EEng, there's deodorant for that, bro. And better to stick with edibles. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, Trypy. Your science-based explanations are always immaculate! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC) ....and how your fans really see you...
- Trippy, indeed. The guy in that video was my PhD thesis advisor. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, Trypy. Your science-based explanations are always immaculate! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC) ....and how your fans really see you...
- Calling EEng a "real skunk" is not a personal attack. But calling him a "fake skunk" would be. And if you smoke too much, you might call him a "skank funk". And think that it's funny. Anyway, EEng, there's deodorant for that, bro. And better to stick with edibles. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- So rude! That EEng's a real skunk, bro. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly! They come from Turbo Mind Warp and similar varieties. Lev!vich 17:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- A warped imagination, of course. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- The whole civil issue is one that needs to be TNT'ed and rebuilt because it is the policy that is wholly dependent on the whims of the corrupt administration. While I agree with the outcome of the ANI here, that saying "your edit is X" is not the same thing as saying "you are X." I was blocked for saying, "Your edit is X" because an admin said, "if you say an edit is X, that means the person is X" and I was blocked for a personal attack.Sir Joseph (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Phew! What a relief that you never moved on to Os! [92] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123: "You know that's how the story goes" --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well AFAICS you were blocked once for
Jimbo should have blocked you for longer. You are not an asset to this project
[93] and once forSo in other words you're not interested in the truth, you're just interested in being anti-Israel
[94]. Those are personal attacks -- not the worst by far, but still personal attacks. And context matters. EEng 21:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)- And context matters. Amen. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't referring to that one. I was referring to a block by El_C. And, I am also TBANNED right now for calling out an edit, not an editor, yet the discussion didn't make that distinction. And with El_C, the distinction wasn't made at all, because if I say, "your post is idiotic" then that means you're an idiot for posting an idiotic post. Which I think is incorrect, because even smart people can post an idiotic post once in a while. Sir Joseph (talk) 23:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- As mentioned earlier, context matters. EEng 03:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't referring to that one. I was referring to a block by El_C. And, I am also TBANNED right now for calling out an edit, not an editor, yet the discussion didn't make that distinction. And with El_C, the distinction wasn't made at all, because if I say, "your post is idiotic" then that means you're an idiot for posting an idiotic post. Which I think is incorrect, because even smart people can post an idiotic post once in a while. Sir Joseph (talk) 23:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- And context matters. Amen. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well AFAICS you were blocked once for
Special K
Thanks for setting up the redirect for the Mathematicks professorship entry. Robma (talk) 10:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- My pleasure. Perhaps you will enjoy Andrew Gleason, which my friend David Eppstein and I whipped into shape some years ago. He was a wonderful person and after all these years I still miss him. EEng 18:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Francis Schonken: Please don't template the regulars, it's rude. Paul August ☎ 14:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Edit-warring on a guideline is far ruder, and far more destabilising on top. EEng should know better than to try forcing a guideline rewrite by edit-warring. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Francis Schonken: Whatever sins EEng may have committed, does not justify you being rude to him. Paul August ☎ 15:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul August: this is of an incredible rudeness, after I already replied to you. Stay off my talk page, thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Francis Schonken: I left that message on your talk page, because I hadn't notice that you had also left the same message here on Flyer22 Frozen's talkpage as well. I thought that also warranted pointing out. I'm sorry you thought my messages to you were rude, that was not my intent. I think it's important, when we see editors not treating each other as well as we might to point that out. (EEng can vouch for that.) And I don't think doing so is rude. Paul August ☎ 15:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oh and for the record, I hadn't seen your message to me above when I left my message on your talk page. Paul August ☎ 15:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Francis Schonken: I left that message on your talk page, because I hadn't notice that you had also left the same message here on Flyer22 Frozen's talkpage as well. I thought that also warranted pointing out. I'm sorry you thought my messages to you were rude, that was not my intent. I think it's important, when we see editors not treating each other as well as we might to point that out. (EEng can vouch for that.) And I don't think doing so is rude. Paul August ☎ 15:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- There are two magic words one should please try to use. They are "please" and "thank you". Thank you. runs to avoid being struck by flying objects --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Edit-warring on a guideline is far ruder, and far more destabilising on top. EEng should know better than to try forcing a guideline rewrite by edit-warring. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- I see a certain irony in using a template to ask a Knight Templater to not template the regulars, however, I seem to be missing the rudeness. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Uh ... whose rudeness are you missing? Frances'? Mine? EEng's? Paul August ☎ 16:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- More irony. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- I see a certain irony in using a template to ask a Knight Templater to not template the regulars, however, I seem to be missing the rudeness. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Francis Schonken: I personally don't mind getting templated, because it tells me right off who I'm dealing with. None of us needs instruction or reminders about appropriate behavior, certainly not from you. But you need some. When someone puts a lot of work into something via localized, bite-sized changes, it's incredibly rude and dismissive to simply revert it all at once with meaningless edit summary like
too many changes that seem counterproductive on first sight, were never discussed, or are far from getting talk page consensus, or any combination of these rationales
[95]].
- As I responded at the time [96]:
"too many" is not a reason to mass-revert multiple changes, nor is that they "seem" counterproductive "at first sight", or "were not discussed". They can't ALL be unhelpful. Feel free to give them a second look (i.e. actually look at them) and revert or build on individual changes selectively, with actual reasons. But mass reversion of multiple others' work because you don't want to take the time to review is not OK/
- But of course, instead of doing any actual work, you came here to leave your idiot template. EEng 19:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- We need something like a swear jar for every time someone skirts NPA by calling an edit "idiot:. point of order, needs an "ic" at the end. not agreeing with the description. just a once upon a time English major --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- (Slightly o/t, and asking EEng's indulgence): Deepfriedokra, nah, and I'm sure you're not a descriptivist, and you have to admit, "idiot template" is much pithier, has better meter, and fits the tone better here, so I'd argue it is "correct". OTOH, if you want to propose an "irony jar" (as you previously alluded), you can sign me right up. Mathglot (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Indulgence? You'll be needing a priest for that. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- (Slightly o/t, and asking EEng's indulgence): Deepfriedokra, nah, and I'm sure you're not a descriptivist, and you have to admit, "idiot template" is much pithier, has better meter, and fits the tone better here, so I'd argue it is "correct". OTOH, if you want to propose an "irony jar" (as you previously alluded), you can sign me right up. Mathglot (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- We need something like a swear jar for every time someone skirts NPA by calling an edit "idiot:. point of order, needs an "ic" at the end. not agreeing with the description. just a once upon a time English major --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Francis Schonken, leaving that template here was rude. Calling Paul August "rude" for appropriately and respectfully requesting you not template the regulars was risible. Hijacking EEng's talk page to air your misplaced grievances about rudeness is rude. Henry II's quotation comes to mind. Mathglot (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Mathglot: Taken in context, that's out of contect. One might reply "Peace on Earth to men of good will. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Deepfriedokra, Don't understand. Indented reply target misunderstanding, perhaps? Mathglot (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I moved the end brackets now; is that what you meant? (And now I feel we're on the verge of hijacking EEng's TP; withdrawing... Mathglot (talk) 21:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Mathglot: Taken in context, that's out of contect. One might reply "Peace on Earth to men of good will. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Indent as thou willst shalt be the whole of the law. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- While it's fun indeed, I'd actually appreciate it if people would focus more on F.S.'s mass reversion without giving a cognizable reason (linked in my rant above) than on the templating. (Though both are symptoms of valuing form over substance, of course.) EEng 21:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'd love to see someone create Template:Idiot. Maybe with Trump's photo on it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Somebody did, on 7 August 2005. Its content was, verbatim, "The last person who edited this page (not including me!) is a BIG FAT IDIOT!". It was deleted four minutes later. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Before my time here – I shoulda' checked the page history. Well, at least there is Template:Idiot Box. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Somebody did, on 7 August 2005. Its content was, verbatim, "The last person who edited this page (not including me!) is a BIG FAT IDIOT!". It was deleted four minutes later. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
ANI notification
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Timrollpickering (talk) 23:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome! EEng 00:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- As a fellow relic it is glorious to be a notable part of the past as well as a beacon to the future. Cheers and enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 23:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Help?
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Hi EEng, I came across this carving while visiting a church in Derbyshire recently. Wondered if you could help me to work out what's going on in it, I can't quite make it out. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 11:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Blowed if I know.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well, that sucks! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tryptofish, yes, it's frustrating isn't it? I just can't get my head around it. They say two heads are better than one - if only someone would be willing to donate theirs to help solve this conundrum, it might give me some relief. GirthSummit (blether) 20:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. That sort of thing can be very hard to swallow. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tryptofish, yes, it's frustrating isn't it? I just can't get my head around it. They say two heads are better than one - if only someone would be willing to donate theirs to help solve this conundrum, it might give me some relief. GirthSummit (blether) 20:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well, that sucks! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Why don't one of you post that image over at meta:Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct#The_problem_of_the_"untouchable"_'jester' to show those killjoys what clean, harmless fun we have here at enwp? EEng 20:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Because he jest shouldn't be touching him that way. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- any help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, I'm afraid not - you've got the right church, but the carvings aren't mentioned in the listing. I've checked Pevsner, but he doesn't shed any light either. If I go there again, I might see whether I can gather any oral accounts to satisfy my curiosity, but of course that would be OR for our purposes. GirthSummit (blether) 00:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not many can handle hardwood with such mastery; clearly, a devotional work. I can't quite make out what's happening on the backside though. Lev!vich 00:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- this has a pic, perhaps a trace? Ceoil perhaps? Peter? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not many can handle hardwood with such mastery; clearly, a devotional work. I can't quite make out what's happening on the backside though. Lev!vich 00:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- I realize you posted here looking for help but I'd say it's at the church itself that you'll find the succor you need. EEng 01:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough, and thanks anyway. In an entirely unrelated note, I was thinking about creating a list of all of Zeus's mortal lovers. I started out with high spirits, but I'm afraid that my enthusiasm rather fell at io. Such is the nature of editing here I suppose. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 01:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Jimbo has mortal lovers? EEng 02:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Looks to me like it's a bishop blessing someone, possibly a Confirmation. Not sure about the person behind, but bishops usually have a companion of some sort. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I'm sure you're right, thanks. Some nice pics there Gerda Arendt, you have a knack for finding interesting stuff. GirthSummit (blether) 10:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, a companion of some sort. EEng 18:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Looks to me like it's a bishop blessing someone, possibly a Confirmation. Not sure about the person behind, but bishops usually have a companion of some sort. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Jimbo has mortal lovers? EEng 02:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough, and thanks anyway. In an entirely unrelated note, I was thinking about creating a list of all of Zeus's mortal lovers. I started out with high spirits, but I'm afraid that my enthusiasm rather fell at io. Such is the nature of editing here I suppose. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 01:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, I'm afraid not - you've got the right church, but the carvings aren't mentioned in the listing. I've checked Pevsner, but he doesn't shed any light either. If I go there again, I might see whether I can gather any oral accounts to satisfy my curiosity, but of course that would be OR for our purposes. GirthSummit (blether) 00:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- In the words of the deathless Tom Lehrer [97]:
- When correctly viewed
Everything is lewd.
I could tell you things about Peter Pan
And the Wizard of Oz—
There's a dirty old man!
- When correctly viewed
- EEng 18:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Crikey - when you said deathless, I thought you meant 'will be remembered forever'. I hadn't realised he was still alive, that's cheering. His Irish ballad was was always my favourite, my dad used to sing it to us in the car, thirty plus years ago now... GirthSummit (blether) 14:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- My friend Andrew Gleason (himself gone now – and we will not see his like again, I'm afraid) told me many stories about him. Apparently he's as fun in person as you might imagine. See [98] [99] [100]. EEng 16:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Crikey - when you said deathless, I thought you meant 'will be remembered forever'. I hadn't realised he was still alive, that's cheering. His Irish ballad was was always my favourite, my dad used to sing it to us in the car, thirty plus years ago now... GirthSummit (blether) 14:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Acronyms are the spice of life
Why do we have WP:CURLY and WP:MOE but not WP:LARRY? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you put "Template:Larry" into the search box, and let it offer suggestions, there are a bunch of them, for persons with that first name. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Do you realize the insult to Shemp you have placed on the most watched page in Wikipedia? O3000 (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Quick, someone write a page called Wikipedia:Let admins readily revert you.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 12:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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If you do not like his postsJust what bothers you the most?If you do like, drink a toast,To the jokester with the most!Burma-shave --Deepfriedokra (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC) |
No new posts?
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How am I to be entertained? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- You've got it bad. Try reviewing the archives. Maybe that'll hold you. EEng 18:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Commons is not Wikipedia
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Because of the way Commons media are embedded into pages on other projects, Commons needs to work differently to other projects. They do not necessarily follow the policies of Wikipedia or other projects. Please stop citing Wikipedia policies on Commons, where those policies do not apply.
(Posted here because of this: “If you want to contact me, drop a line at w:User talk:EEng. I'm here very seldom.”)
Brianjd (talk) 12:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- You mean policies like Use common sense? I realize that's a foreign concept at Commons, common sense being in such short supply over there, but I venture there so seldom that I keep forgetting. EEng 16:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- At Commons, we have a c:COM:NCS policy. Any context for the popcorn-eating TPSs around here, or nah? —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I cropped out a vase (see File history at the bottom of c:File:Congresswoman_Pelosi_meets_San_Francisco's_District_Attorney,_Kamala_Harris;_March_30,_2004.jpg) and got accused of "vandalism". You can imagine my reaction [101]. EEng 17:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Brianjd, what is the Wikipedia policy that EEng has been accused of mentioning on Commons? If it's WP:VANDALISM, you yourself said,
EEng said that good faith edits are never vandalism, which matches my understanding of the word “vandalism”
. P-K3 (talk) 17:22, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Brianjd, what is the Wikipedia policy that EEng has been accused of mentioning on Commons? If it's WP:VANDALISM, you yourself said,
- I cropped out a vase (see File history at the bottom of c:File:Congresswoman_Pelosi_meets_San_Francisco's_District_Attorney,_Kamala_Harris;_March_30,_2004.jpg) and got accused of "vandalism". You can imagine my reaction [101]. EEng 17:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- At Commons, we have a c:COM:NCS policy. Any context for the popcorn-eating TPSs around here, or nah? —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
What are you, some sort of anti-vaseite? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:21, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm unpleasantly reminded of an incident some years ago, when I found the culture at Commons to be even more problematic than that here at en-Wiki (which, in my current state of mind, is really saying something). An en-Wiki editor got blocked at Commons over what was basically a mis-communication, and vented at the Commons admin over the admin not having understood something that they should have understood. In return, the en-Wiki editor was called a "racist", and when I pointed out that this was an inappropriate thing to say, I was threatened (unsuccessfully) with a Commons block myself.
Facepalm. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Obviously you're just not mellow enough to let that little jibe fly. </sarc>--WaltCip-(talk) 22:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, yes! Mellow! As I understand that, they use the phrase "be mellow" to mean "don't disagree with me". --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Obviously you're just not mellow enough to let that little jibe fly. </sarc>--WaltCip-(talk) 22:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm unpleasantly reminded of an incident some years ago, when I found the culture at Commons to be even more problematic than that here at en-Wiki (which, in my current state of mind, is really saying something). An en-Wiki editor got blocked at Commons over what was basically a mis-communication, and vented at the Commons admin over the admin not having understood something that they should have understood. In return, the en-Wiki editor was called a "racist", and when I pointed out that this was an inappropriate thing to say, I was threatened (unsuccessfully) with a Commons block myself.
@Tryptofish:, "They call me Mellow Yellow, (quitely rightly)". "I'm just mad about Saffron, she's just mad about me."..."Electrical banana, Is bound to be the very next phase." "Donovan - Mellow Yellow Lyrics | MetroLyrics". www.metrolyrics.com. Oh, 1966...hit them with a mellow banana. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 04:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Electrical banana, Is bound to be the very next phase
– Huh. Maybe Donovan was an electrical engineer. See Polyphase_system#Higher_phase_order. Never thought of that. EEng 05:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)- I guess that's what happens following a botched vase-sectomy. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Whoa...colour me fazed! Mellow Yellow Electrical Banana, or somesuch, sounds like a good name for LSD, back in the day. Nowadays, we must be concerned about our Mings...er, minds. Higher phase order sounds like something from Star Trek. Kirk to Scotty: "Shift us to higher phase order!" Scotty: "Aye, Captain, 'tis faster than warp speed!" Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
@Pawnkingthree: User talk:EEng#Commons is not Wikipedia was originally a level 2 heading, but EEng demoted it to a level 3 heading. I was not referring to the most recent incident, already described here by EEng, but rather previous sections on the talk page regarding similar incidents. Brianjd (talk) 14:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think common sense is specifically banned on Commons, but I forget the link. But it was foolish not to upload the crop as a new image, which should be done in all but exteme(ly useless) cases. Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, just because you're a fine-arts junkie and all into vases and stuff. But I'm afraid even your criterion of extremely useless is not going to save us – check out c:User talk:EEng#Photo_cropping. (Ouch – I did unthinkingly cite some WP guidelines there.) EEng 21:33, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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- “Break a vase, and the love that reassembles the fragments is stronger than that love which took its symmetry for granted when it was whole.” --Derek Walcott. --GRuban (talk) 21:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Not of the image just above it, it isn't. TRYP
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- You know about {{CSS image crop}}, right? No need to change the image on commons when you can just use the part of it that you want here. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- That always seemed problematic to me, since if the image at Commons changes in some way then your article suddenly displays a closeup of the person's shoulder. EEng 22:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe that's one reason that commons prefers significant changes to images to be done as a new upload? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Except even any change can screw up the CSS image crop thing, and they do allow some changes (even if no one can seem to explain what those allowed changes are). So as usual it's all a house of cards with half-baked rules not-solving the problem. EEng 22:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- All you had to do after you cropped it was click on "save as new image", but no, you had to devase the original. 😂 Atsme Talk 📧 17:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Except even any change can screw up the CSS image crop thing, and they do allow some changes (even if no one can seem to explain what those allowed changes are). So as usual it's all a house of cards with half-baked rules not-solving the problem. EEng 22:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe that's one reason that commons prefers significant changes to images to be done as a new upload? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- That always seemed problematic to me, since if the image at Commons changes in some way then your article suddenly displays a closeup of the person's shoulder. EEng 22:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you!
I appreciate the attribution--it seems I am finally a real Wikipedian! Feel free to use to your heart's content. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 04:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Think nothing of it. Imagine – with a mere wave of my wand I can grant any peon immortality. EEng 05:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm sorry but you misspelled the correct word - it's not immortality - remove the "t" - surely it was a slip of the left index finger. It happens. 😂 Atsme Talk 📧 21:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Phineas Gage
You are displaying serious WP:OWNERSHIP issues here, the history off that page is just you reverting editors who have made changes. Do I need to raise this at ANI or are you going to slow down and start co-operating? GiantSnowman 10:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think everyone knows that an ANI thread of that nature will consist of a lot of hostility with no resolution. My advice is, instead, to have an RfC about any content disputes, and to expect all editors to accept whatever consensus emerges from that. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Interesting. In your contemplated complaint will you be supplying diffs, citing guidelines, and addressing the merits of the edits themselves (as I have been doing), or will you make accusations without evidence, claim that guidelines say the opposite of what they say, and mindlessly assert that what you happen to have seen in other articles is the way every article has to be (as you have been doing)?
- You made three edits yesterday. Two were directly contrary to guidelines and completely inappropriate:
- In this edit [102] you removed the subject's middle initial from the infobox header, justifying that change (after I reverted) with the incorrect statement that "we use name of article" [103]. In fact, Template:Infobox_person provides that
If middle initials are specified (or implied) by the lead of the article, and are not specified separately in the
|birth_name=
parameter, include them here. - In this edit [104] you used a script to change the established format for access dates in references (in violation of MOS:DATERET), remove a hidden note intended for future article improvement, and alter direct quotations. Apparently you failed to review the script's changes before saving; Tsk tsk.
- In this edit [102] you removed the subject's middle initial from the infobox header, justifying that change (after I reverted) with the incorrect statement that "we use name of article" [103]. In fact, Template:Infobox_person provides that
- In the third edit, you changed the article's opening from
- Phineas P. Gage (1823–1860) was ...
- to
- Phineas P. Gage (July 9, 1823 – May 21, 1860) was ...
- This is a matter of editorial discretion; MOS:BIRTHDATE endorses both approaches (given that the full dates are given both in the infobox and in the article text proper). The article has long been the way it is, I think it's the better way, and have explained why [105]. You boldly changed it and I reverted, but instead of giving reasons you simply restored your preferred version with the meaningless statement that your approach is "standard for ledes" [106], by which you apparently mean that's what you've seen in other articles so that's the way it has to be, as if the guideline doesn't exist. Any actual... ya know, reasons for your change? I seem to recall your fellow admin David Eppstein addressing this question at some point, so perhaps he will have some comment.
- On top of everything else, in violation of WP:MINOR you marked all three edits as minor, which none of them were. I would have thought though that an admin with such an extensive record of script gnoming and creation of literally thousands and thousands of stubs on soccer players would know better.
- Your kind of blind minsitrations perhaps, on average, improve typical ill-developed junky articles that have grown by hook or by crook without careful attention by experienced editors, but when you run into a highly developed article you should think twice to be sure you know what you're doing – not just close your eyes and hit <SAVE>. Our esteemed fellow editor Beyond My Ken put it very well [107]:
The flip side of "ownership" is the problem of editors who come to an article with a particular agenda, make the changes they want to the page according to their preconceived notions of what should be, and then flit off to their next victim, without ever considering whether the page really needed the change they made, or whether the change improved the article at all ... Their editing is an off-the-rack, one-size-fits-all proposition, premised on the idea that what improves one article, or one type of article, will automatically improve every other article or type of article ... Wikipedians should worry more about those who hit-and-run, and less about those who feel stewardship towards the articles they work so hard on.
- I look forward to your ANI complaint. Should be fun. EEng 17:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- P.S. The foregoing was mostly for the record. What would really happen at ANI, I humbly predict, is that someone will point out that you've made no attempt to discuss, after which someone else will, if we are lucky, add a Burma-shave:
NEW AN/I THREADPROBLEM ACUTE!CLOSED WITHOUT ACTION"CONTENT DISPUTE"Burma-shave
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Himla_med_%C3%B6gonen.gif)
Are GiantSnowman and/or TheRamblingMan (indistinguishable in this specific behavior) still going around using automated date-conversion scripts? The only way I found to keep them at bay was to use a very specific use-date template for all articles I create. (That is, if you really want numerical archive-date and access-date, add the highly-obvious parameter |cs1-dates=ly
to the {{use mdy dates}} template.) GiantSnowman's alteration of three direct quotes in the pursuit of date standardization shows the danger of unchecked scripts for this purpose. Anyway, I totally agree re the point you actually mentioned me for: that year ranges can be adequate in the lead sentence even when more precise dates are known, as long as those dates are expanded later. MOS:BIRTHDATE "if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context". —David Eppstein (talk) 18:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Dinner_at_Cracker_Barrel-_unsweetened_iced_tea%2C_fried_apples%2C_fried_okra%2C_chicken_%27n%27_dumplins%2C_country_ham%2C_hush_puppies%2C_macaroni_and_cheese%2C_fried_fish%2C_biscuits%2C_corn_bread.jpg/220px-thumbnail.jpg)
- I certainly don't want to dash anyone's hopes, but after a look at it, it does seem to me that MOS:DASH indicates that chapter and page ranges should be done with n-dashes rather than hyphens. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Dash it all! ANother MOS dust-up? Where will it all end? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Great Ghu! By the color purple, sacred unto Ghu, who is Great. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:01, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- So there actually was something called the Hyphen War! I love it! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- But what did the Goo Goos have to do with it? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but what concerns me most is the possibility of a cross between Deepfriedokra and Fish and karate - all kinds of visions swirl around in my head such as fried fish served on a platter with breaded okra - but in order to enjoy that meal, you have to know karate to fend off the opposition. Atsme Talk 📧 21:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Why Atsme, you used hyphens when you should have used n-dashes! (And I can vouch that my brain has been fried for a long time!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ahem...A man eating fish was miraculously saved by a hyphen from a man-eating fish. Your safety was my only concern. Atsme Talk 📧 22:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Why Atsme, you used hyphens when you should have used n-dashes! (And I can vouch that my brain has been fried for a long time!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You see me here a veteran of a thousand hyphen wars. My energy's gone at last and my armor is destroyed. I've used up all my weapons, and I'm helpless and bereaved. Wounds are all I'm made of. apologies to Blue Öyster Cult --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- I rarely get this opportunity...if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...what better fit than now? Atsme Talk 📧 22:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Never let it be said that Star Trek fans have a sense of humor
Sigh... —David Eppstein (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
- Mr Spock was our first clue back in the day:
"May I say that I have not thoroughly enjoyed serving with Humans? I find their illogic and foolish emotions a constant irritant."
Atsme Talk 📧 23:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)Facepalm --Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Infobox image syntax
Re Jean Berko Gleason, please remember to WP:AGF. What Dhpage and I both did in this article was to fix the image syntax so that the article is not listed in Category:Pages using infoboxes with thumbnail images per the documentation there and at WP:IBI.
The current version of the article is listed in Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax and is susceptible to being fixed again, although this category is not currently addressed as attentively as Category:Pages using infoboxes with thumbnail images.
I would appreciate it if you did not disparage editors acting within consensus with edit summaries like "pay attention" or "you f***ed it up".
If you feel the image needs to be displayed in a non-default ratio, you should ask at {{infobox academic}}
for support of |upright=
. MB 03:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- AGF means I'm supposed to assume you're trying to help, and of that I have no doubt, but at the same time WP:CIR says that I don't have to blindly pretend you know what you're doing, which you don't.
- I made an editorial decision that the reader's experience would be improved by adding
|upright=
to adjust the size of the image [108], though in doing so I unthinkingly used|thumb=
instead of (as called for by WP:IBI) using|frameless=
– sorry, force of habit. - Instead of simply correcting thumb to frameless (as – I repeat – called for by WP:IBI, which you are citing) you mindlessly reverted my change [109]. So, yeah, you didn't (as your edit summary claimed) "fix" anything; instead (as I said [110]) you
fucked it up
. - I realized my mistake and reinserted the size adjustment using frameless [111].
- And now you're here telling me that the article
is listed in Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax
(apparently one of those categories gnomes use to give them something to do so they can feel useful) and therefore issusceptible to being fixed again
. In other words, apparently having nothing useful to do, you plan to spend your time "fixing" something that isn't broken, and in fact is in complete compliance with the guideline you yourself cited: WP:IBI. - And after all that you've got the nerve to suggest that if *I*
feel the image needs to be displayed in a non-default ratio
then *I*should ask at
. No, if *you* want to clear your stupid categegory then *you* ask at{{infobox academic}}
for support of|upright=
{{infobox academic}}
for support of|upright=
, after which *you* can go around removing|frameless=
(or whatever floats *your* boat) without messing up the appearance of the articles involved.
- I made an editorial decision that the reader's experience would be improved by adding
- In the meantime don't fuck with what the reader sees just to clear your stupid misbegotten category. Productive editors have precious little tolerance for this kind of mindless gnoming. Got it? EEng 05:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- P.S.: WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_October_5#Category:Pages_using_deprecated_image_syntax.
- No answer. Huh. EEng 06:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Might still be scrolling? Lev!vich 07:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- When I get around to it I'm gonna squash you like a bug. EEng 07:07, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Might still be scrolling? Lev!vich 07:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- No answer. Huh. EEng 06:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- fwiw Special:Diff/982135565. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Most kind of you. I'll leave it to MB to alter the article to take advantage of it, thus notching down that silly list by one. EEng 18:11, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speaking of the list, I don't know why, if the issue matters that is, we don't just unleash a bot on it. It could take care of most cases without issue, where alternative parameters exist. 86,514 pages is way too much for human review - and for something that can be automated is likely a great waste of peoples' time. Seems like a task designed for the machines, as long as one pays the server bills
and gives it some thanks. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)- It's simpler than that. AFAICS, it used to be that there was only an |image= parm in infoboxes, so the way you sized the image or added an alt was to use the extended image syntax in that single field. At some point someone got it in their heads that this was undesirable in some way (in just what way no one seems to know), and began adding separate |image_size= and |image_alt= parms to the infobox templates, so that you wouldn't need the extended image syntax. (Again, in what way it helps anything to not use the extended image syntax isn't clear.) But they didn't do this to all infoboxes, so in infoboxes that hadn't been augmented you still had to use the extended image syntax.Meanwhile, some do-gooder got the idea to create this "Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax", implying that there's something actually wrong with using the extended image syntax, so that other do-gooders (as seen above) get the idea they should seek out and kill its use even where that removes function such as image size. It's all a complete waste of time. Until someone can explain why not, the extended image syntax was, and is, fine. It did, and does, what's wanted. It can just stay. No one needs to do anything. No infoboxes need new parameters. No category is needed. No bot or human review wanted. Complete waste of time. EEng 18:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Especially since the existence of convenient parameters to size images by absolute numbers of pixels encourages editors to do so, inappropriately, when they should be using upright= relative sizing. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- EEng, I share your feelings about this. Over time, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with the let's-police-technical-details-that-have-no-value-for-our-readers mentality that has become a part of Wiki-culture (especially in templates and categories). If I wanted to be charitable, I would note that we have a lot of editors who are on the spectrum, and who are drawn to these things. (And before anyone blows a gasket, I hasten to add that I have no idea about, nor am implying anything about, the editors in this dispute. Also, there are many on-the-spectrum editors whose work I appreciate very, very much.) But I wish those editors would stick to tasks that are actually helpful to our readers. And, regardless of the underlying reasons for any editor's work, there is too much pointless creation of distractions for editors who actually want to contribute content, and too much tolerance of it. Worse, the trivia police tend to revise guidelines that no one else pays attention to, and then they say "but look what the guideline says!". Sighs loudly.
- And as I ponder this annoyance, I also want to formally and officially apologize to you for that time, years ago, when I gave you a hard time over the formatting of the Gage page. In hindsight, I was wrong. What matters is what our readers see. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Since in literally 5 minutes I'll be getting in the chair for a root canal, that's a particularly well timed bit of pleasant news. EEng 22:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's me: pleasant as a root canal! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Don't sell yourself short:, I'm saying you're better than a root canal. EEng 03:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Very few people would agree with that. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Don't sell yourself short:, I'm saying you're better than a root canal. EEng 03:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's me: pleasant as a root canal! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)I think it's a mixed bag, generally speaking. The difference between infoboxes using
|birth_date=
,|BirthDate=
or|DateOfBirth=
doesn't matter either to the readers - the output is the exactly the same. But it's a slight pain in the ass if every other infobox uses a totally different parameter name and doesn't support the aliases. That's one area that should probably be kept consistent, so editors don't need to waste time reading docs after their chosen parameter doesn't output anything. Considering 'value for readers' is a hazy line; taken literally it's likely the majority of wiki-activity isn't productive, including most work on Category:Wikipedia backlog and various tracking cats, project-space pages, discussions, essays, templates, cats, etc. And maybe it isn't, since no matter what area of the wiki people stop working on (maintenance, administration, or others) the project always keeps going, apparently without novel noticeable issues. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Since in literally 5 minutes I'll be getting in the chair for a root canal, that's a particularly well timed bit of pleasant news. EEng 22:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Especially since the existence of convenient parameters to size images by absolute numbers of pixels encourages editors to do so, inappropriately, when they should be using upright= relative sizing. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's simpler than that. AFAICS, it used to be that there was only an |image= parm in infoboxes, so the way you sized the image or added an alt was to use the extended image syntax in that single field. At some point someone got it in their heads that this was undesirable in some way (in just what way no one seems to know), and began adding separate |image_size= and |image_alt= parms to the infobox templates, so that you wouldn't need the extended image syntax. (Again, in what way it helps anything to not use the extended image syntax isn't clear.) But they didn't do this to all infoboxes, so in infoboxes that hadn't been augmented you still had to use the extended image syntax.Meanwhile, some do-gooder got the idea to create this "Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax", implying that there's something actually wrong with using the extended image syntax, so that other do-gooders (as seen above) get the idea they should seek out and kill its use even where that removes function such as image size. It's all a complete waste of time. Until someone can explain why not, the extended image syntax was, and is, fine. It did, and does, what's wanted. It can just stay. No one needs to do anything. No infoboxes need new parameters. No category is needed. No bot or human review wanted. Complete waste of time. EEng 18:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speaking of the list, I don't know why, if the issue matters that is, we don't just unleash a bot on it. It could take care of most cases without issue, where alternative parameters exist. 86,514 pages is way too much for human review - and for something that can be automated is likely a great waste of peoples' time. Seems like a task designed for the machines, as long as one pays the server bills
- Most kind of you. I'll leave it to MB to alter the article to take advantage of it, thus notching down that silly list by one. EEng 18:11, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hive mind to the rescue
One of you (talk page stalker)s will know this... Within the past few months I told a story about a school board meeting when I was in high school. It wasn't here, but I can't think of where. Might have been a user talk or article talk or WP talk. Anyone recall? EEng 05:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I vaguely remember this! Something about not decorating biographies with photos of replacement school buildings for a school with different buildings that the student had attended? But I don't remember where, either. It doesn't seem to have been my talk. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Funny how the mind connects things. That would have been a discussion with Cullen328 re Kamala Harris, and your recollection seems right, but I think the discussion branched off somewhere else, which is where I made the post I'm looking for. EEng 05:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I remember reading your anecdote. Something about how brilliant you were in arguing your case before the school board, even though "the man" tried to get you to shut up. In the end, everyone recognized how right you were. But I do not remember the exact context. We tangled a bit about the childhood of Kamala Harris. I had been in Berkeley and had taken photos of her childhood home (remarkably unchanged) and the school she had famously been bussed to. You were quite harsh about my school photo, saying that any ignoramus (not quoting precisely) should know by the characteristic California school architecture that the school had been completely rebuilt since Harris attended, and that my photo was ignorant crap. I tucked my tail between my legs, slinked off, and did not object to removal of the photo from the article, since I was clearly up against a more formidable intellect. Anyway, I hope this helps refresh your memory. Always happy to try to be of assistance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
slinked off
– Surely you mean slunk off. (Dig – dug; cling – clung; sling – slung; slink – slunk.) I too am always happy to be of assistance. EEng 09:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)- Do you have any amusing images about pedantry? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Let me check my files: peddlers... pediatricians... pedicabs... Wow! Nothing on pedantry. I've got pederasty – will that do? EEng 05:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please refrain for the benefit of all of us, although your never-ending helpfulness is charming. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Let me check my files: peddlers... pediatricians... pedicabs... Wow! Nothing on pedantry. I've got pederasty – will that do? EEng 05:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have any amusing images about pedantry? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I remember reading your anecdote. Something about how brilliant you were in arguing your case before the school board, even though "the man" tried to get you to shut up. In the end, everyone recognized how right you were. But I do not remember the exact context. We tangled a bit about the childhood of Kamala Harris. I had been in Berkeley and had taken photos of her childhood home (remarkably unchanged) and the school she had famously been bussed to. You were quite harsh about my school photo, saying that any ignoramus (not quoting precisely) should know by the characteristic California school architecture that the school had been completely rebuilt since Harris attended, and that my photo was ignorant crap. I tucked my tail between my legs, slinked off, and did not object to removal of the photo from the article, since I was clearly up against a more formidable intellect. Anyway, I hope this helps refresh your memory. Always happy to try to be of assistance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Funny how the mind connects things. That would have been a discussion with Cullen328 re Kamala Harris, and your recollection seems right, but I think the discussion branched off somewhere else, which is where I made the post I'm looking for. EEng 05:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Y'all clearly do not know how to use the Wikipedia search function: [112]. -- Softlavender (talk) 07:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it. Thanks! EEng 09:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Stink, stank, STUNK! --Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:09, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- That link to the earlier discussion makes for interesting reading. So EEng has had a "career as an irritant". And here I always assumed that he did it for free. So, Mr. Know-It-All, your high school principal "kept a tarantula in his office named Harriet". What a strange name for one of his offices! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- No kidding, when I wrote that I thought, "Which one of this bunch is going to call me on that?" EEng 21:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, Cullen328, maybe Tfish has an amusing image on pedantry. EEng 05:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- All I want to know now are the names of your principal's other offices. I am hoping that at least one was called Vampire bat. I am in an October mood. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- He had just the one. One day I asked the school psychologist, who was an accomplished calligrapher, to make a little placard: Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate, which I then glued to his (the principal's) door. I understand it stayed there until he retired. It was an unusual school. EEng 05:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- And I imagine that you made it particularly queer.[FBDB] So for that image you want me to find, do you want a photo of me teaching, or of you teaching? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I just remembered something else. Somehow I came into possession of the guts of a little music box, like this
, which played <click here>. One day I got into his office and screwed it to the back of his desk next to where he sat. He loved it. He'd crank it for students in hot water. EEng 20:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- I just remembered something else. Somehow I came into possession of the guts of a little music box, like this
- And I imagine that you made it particularly queer.[FBDB] So for that image you want me to find, do you want a photo of me teaching, or of you teaching? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- He had just the one. One day I asked the school psychologist, who was an accomplished calligrapher, to make a little placard: Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate, which I then glued to his (the principal's) door. I understand it stayed there until he retired. It was an unusual school. EEng 05:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- All I want to know now are the names of your principal's other offices. I am hoping that at least one was called Vampire bat. I am in an October mood. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- That link to the earlier discussion makes for interesting reading. So EEng has had a "career as an irritant". And here I always assumed that he did it for free. So, Mr. Know-It-All, your high school principal "kept a tarantula in his office named Harriet". What a strange name for one of his offices! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Stink, stank, STUNK! --Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:09, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it. Thanks! EEng 09:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Gag edit?
Was reading through ANI and was a bit baffled by this edit you made... was it supposed to be a gag on the weird images they had uploaded? MrAureliusRTalk! 03:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed. Funny thing, there was a time that someone or other would step in to say we're supposed to give Trump the benefit of the doubt because, oh, maybe he's just pretending to be a deranged sociopath. People seem to have gotten over that.Meanwhile, in other news (since we're on the subject), the more severely mentally challenged of the stable genius's two older sons turns out not to know what a vaccine is [113]. Now to be fair, a lot of people don't know what a vaccine is, but most would have the sense not to go on network TV blabbing about it without at least looking in a dictionary first. Of course for that you need to be able to recite the letters of the the alphabet in the right order. EEng 06:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- I demand that you stop violating WP:BLP. Wikipedia is about venerability, not truth.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sure venereal ability is in there somewhere among the sur-reality . --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- I demand that you stop violating WP:BLP. Wikipedia is about venerability, not truth.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Caption competition
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We can have a pretty good guess what these two are thinking about each other, but what exactly? I'll start off with "Free image? Only dumb people give away work for free, that's like the stupidest idea in the world evaaaaaaaah" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- I honestly don't get what you're saying, but I'll just note that the file description for that photo says
President Donald J. Trump participates in a pull-aside with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern
. I don't know what a pull-aside is and, frankly, with Trump in the mix I don't want to know. EEng 13:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC)- Well we had a similar caption competition upthread, which Girth Summit won, so I thought there was demand for another one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Yapperbot, I've asked you several times to cut out the unwanted advances. I'm not into computer sex. EEng 02:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I prefer fish to fire
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Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. |
--Izno (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Izno is too kind to link to my psychotic outburst at [114]. EEng 21:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Perfectly understandable, and nothing that a good drink cannot ameliorate. And, of course, all discerning editors have a liking for fish. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- You ever try mixing cold wet fish and hot dry fire? Disgusting! Some psychotic discerners swear it's better that way, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- I hate it when I get all justifiably righteous and it turns out I'm neither justifiable nor right. —valereee (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- You ever try mixing cold wet fish and hot dry fire? Disgusting! Some psychotic discerners swear it's better that way, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Perfectly understandable, and nothing that a good drink cannot ameliorate. And, of course, all discerning editors have a liking for fish. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Izno is too kind to link to my psychotic outburst at [114]. EEng 21:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
All animals are equal, but some animals ... No, really, all animals are equal
WMF's meta:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review provides:
In all Wikimedia projects, spaces and events, behaviour will be founded in respect, civility, collegiality, solidarity and good citizenship. This applies to all contributors and participants in their interaction with all contributors and participants, without distinction based on age, mental or physical disabilities, physical appearance, national, religious, ethnic and cultural background, caste, social class, language fluency, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex or career field. Nor will we distinguish based on standing, skills or accomplishments in the Wikimedia projects or movement.
(Bold boldly emboldened.) (talk page stalker)s are encouraged to join a discussion of that last bit: meta:Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct#Nor_will_we_distinguish_based_on_standing,_skills_or_accomplishments_in_the_Wikimedia_projects_or_movement. EEng 14:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm keeping my nose out of that discussion, but a shout-out to ProcrastinatingReader and Tryptofish for excellent posts. EEng 02:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed.
But of course fish are actually superior to some other animals. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just remember, you can tune a filesystem but you can't tune a, well, you know the rest. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I just posted because the inclusion of 'skills' seemed very weird. I certainly don't think we should give people a by because they're skilled, but this possibly could be interpreted to say that we can't ding them because they're unskilled. Am I being obtuse? —valereee (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well personally I think I deserve a by. I've had plenty of gays and it's time for a change. EEng 00:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure why I was pinged. I'm not bi. Although there was that one time in college. —valereee (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not buying it either.
- Bold boldly emboldened the range
- Inclusion of 'skills' does seem strange.
- So if you can't ding them
- Neither should you ping them.
- While with your nose out
- You can still give a shout-out.
- (No you are not obtuse
- On the filesystem use.)
- And EEng deserves a sex change.
- --Tryptofish (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's hard to know what to say. EEng 20:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- These are difficult times. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's hard to know what to say. EEng 20:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not buying it either.
- Not sure why I was pinged. I'm not bi. Although there was that one time in college. —valereee (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well personally I think I deserve a by. I've had plenty of gays and it's time for a change. EEng 00:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- I just posted because the inclusion of 'skills' seemed very weird. I certainly don't think we should give people a by because they're skilled, but this possibly could be interpreted to say that we can't ding them because they're unskilled. Am I being obtuse? —valereee (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just remember, you can tune a filesystem but you can't tune a, well, you know the rest. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed.
- I'm keeping my nose out of that discussion, but a shout-out to ProcrastinatingReader and Tryptofish for excellent posts. EEng 02:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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- I just hope there's been no WP:HOUNDING or WP:BITEY behavior going on in that discussion.[1] EEng 16:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
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- ^ Note: Recycled joke.
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Thank you for finally shortening the United States Senate section on the Joe Biden article. Username6892 (Peer Review) 01:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC) |
- Well aren't you sweet! There's more to do but I pooped out. EEng 01:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Remarkable
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You are showing remarkable restraint at Talk:Joe Biden. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- But it ran out on Kamala Harris (see esp. the collapse box). EEng 11:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Good god, you and Fowler&Fowler are both completely mad. [Reaches for wordsmyth.net.] Around the bend. Batty. Cuckoo. Mental. Suffering from rabies. Bishonen | tålk 15:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC).
- I'm not going to get involved in the actual thread because I don't care, but I take issue with
because readers not mentally defective, from whatever geography or culture, will know without being told that an American vice-president-to-be is (duh!) an American politician
. You know and I know that the US has the "native born" clause, but there's no reason for readers elsewhere to know that and in most countries it's not wildly unusual for politicians to be citizens of other countries owing to the complex rules governing who got what citizenship when the British, French and Portuguese colonial empires collapsed. (Until a couple of years ago Boris Johnson was a US citizen, there was a minor diplomatic incident recently when UK government minister Nadhim Zahawi was banned from entering the US owing to his Iraqi citizenship; and you have people like Claire Hanna who serve in the British parliament without even a dual let alone a sole British nationality. I'm sure the same is true in every other former colonial power and most former colonies, as well—probably half the adult population of Macau and Hong Kong are officially Portuguese or British citizens.) ‑ Iridescent 16:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)- I get both sides. I also have an extreme aversion to lecturing people on grammar. I was taught that it’s something you should never do to an adult as correcting grammar is something that you do to children, so when doing it you’re effectively treating someone like a child. It’s basically one of the rudest things you can do in English. Anyway, all that to say, I get why you’re pissed off (I see MelanieN commented on it, so I’ll ping her for my take here 😅.)On the merits, I actually disagree that “we do this for everyone” is a bad argument. Consistency of style on major articles helps us create a house voice of sorts, which in turn makes us seem more professional and helps the reader know what to expect in an article in terms of structure. Consistency is more reader friendly.That being said, if I had to build the entire system from scratch I’d dump it for largely the same reasons you (EEng) are describing. Ignoring the citizenship context, of course a member of the US Senate and VP-elect is an “American politician”. In the cases Iri is describing, I’d actually argue fairly strongly that commonwealth nationals serving in the Parliament of the United Kingdom are British politicians even without citizenship in the UK/colonies or nationality: if they’re elected by the British public to serve in a British political body, they are a British politician regardless of nationality/citizenship issues. They might be a Canadian or Aussie or Bahamian as well, but that wouldn’t change the fact that they are also very much serving as a British politician. The question of their citizenship in such cases would be worth mentioning, but I’d see that as something to do in cases where such issues arise. Also, on the Hanna topic, I get why calling an Irish person a British politician might not be ideal, so skirting around it by not mentioning anything in the lead seems the most diplomatic way.TonyBallioni (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not going to get involved in the actual thread because I don't care, but I take issue with
- Good god, you and Fowler&Fowler are both completely mad. [Reaches for wordsmyth.net.] Around the bend. Batty. Cuckoo. Mental. Suffering from rabies. Bishonen | tålk 15:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC).
Memory?
I've wanted to ask this for a while now. But... Special:Diff/987768637. And your various other edits where you pick a time in an obscure 4,000 view video or a two-sentence quote from page 386 in some text. Is there some special bookmarking app I don't know about, or some memory pill, or what's going on here? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- You mean stuff like this [115]? Believe it or not I carry it all around in my head (see right); when I was in college the dean said I was a "coal mine of information". It all started after I was struck by lightning at 5 years old. Modern science has failed to explain it. But don't worry – I am sworn to use it only for good, never for evil. EEng 06:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Well, that certainly brings a whole new meaning to "electrical engineering"! Somehow, I envision that it hurt the lightning bolt far worse than it hurt you. (The dean, however, may have been thinking about black lung.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Jarndyce and Jarndyce
I want to thank you more emphatically than with just a one-click "thanks" for bringing up Jarndyce and Jarndyce on ANI.[116] It made me very happy. Bishonen | tålk 15:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC).
- Glad to oblige, though I was ensnared in just such a case so my feelings are more mixed. EEng 20:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Template editor right
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Hi EEng—I see that David Eppstein recently granted you template editor rights. Your edits at {{Talk header}} were a serious breach of WP:TPEBOLD; it is not at all acceptable to just go ahead and modify a template with 500,000 transclusions just since you think you can improve the wording. Please familiarize yourself with the expectations for editing template-protected pages, or you are likely to lose the right. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:44, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Atsme: I thought template-editors worked from this set which really isn't a stack. Just sayin'.
davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Could we have a reason for the revert over procedural threat. This is a respected editor with thousands of template edits.--Moxy 🍁 21:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
For those playing along at home, this regards the series of edits starting at [117].
Sdkb, my vague recollection is that past interactions with you have been perfectly pleasant, and I'm sure that will continue, but right now you need to calm down and read the very guideline you're citing. TFEBOLD has nothing to do with anything here because it's about disputes, which this isn't – except to the extent that you've chosen to create one by pretending that every change requires prior consensus, which as we're about to see is false.
The applicable guideline is actually WP:TPECON, which gives a detailed outline of the kinds of template changes that require prior discussion – none of which even conceivably applies here – and then specifically calls out "copy-edits of any sort" as among "changes that can almost always be made unilaterally". So contrary to what you claim, editors can in fact (as you put it) just go ahead and modify a template with 500,000 transclusions just since you think you can improve the wording
, because that's what copyediting is. In sum, you have (a) raised a completely specious procedural objection to my changes but (b) given no substantive objection to them whatsoever. Got any? EEng 23:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- "For disputes, seek..." —David Eppstein (talk) 23:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'll add that link to the template now. EEng 00:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)EEng, I've had pleasant interactions with you in the past as well and I'm sorry to have to give you such a harsh warning off the bat, but TPE is a highly advanced right and it's your responsibility to familiarize yourself with the requirements. Your edits gave me concern that you are not approaching template editing with due caution and respect for consensus, and your reply here reinforces that concern.
- TPEBOLD was the shortcut I intended to cite, specifically the
The normal BOLD, revert, discuss cycle does not apply
line, given that you prefaced one of your edits with the summaryBOLD EDIT:
. That section continues by reiterating the point that any edit that might be controversial should be discussed first; your edits were clearly in that category, given that the definition of an uncontroversial edit is one that could not be disputed and I dispute that your edits were an improvement. Regarding TPECON, the lineCopy-edits of any sort. (Just be sure you're right!)
reads to me as clearly referring to grammatical fixes, not things likethe addition of theyour edits. If this were a template with a few thousand transclusions, things might be more flexible, but at 500,000 transclusions, it's very clear that prior consensus is expected for that sort of edit.Ask questions, get answers
sentence - More generally, I very much understand that there's a learning curve when you're beginning something new, but especially given that David Eppstein granted you the right despite your not meeting the WP:TPEGRANT criteria, this was your chance to show your willingness to take in constructive feedback, and I'm not seeing that here. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm. TPECON is just a rough guide. The idea is generally that allowing the opportunity for discussion is preferred when editing high visibility templates, but it comes down to ones best judgement on the changes really. It also slightly backfires sometimes because many times nobody cares enough either way, or instinctively prefers the status quo, so stuff remains shit. I think you, too, have had experiences with this. I don't have much of an opinion here, other than to say either way I don't think it deserves an overly hard spanking - after all, a new admin recently made a bold change on the Main Page and got less for it.As for the change itself, I think it's an improvement in the wording. More generally, EEng has a certain eloquence with words that I think is useful in the template namespace, so I'm glad he's a template editor. Hopefully for his next trick he turns his talk page purging into a bot to more broadly
blankclean up the talk page banner mess. In the meantime, perhaps it's worth popping these now-reverted changes onto the talk to discuss? As I say, I think they are clearer. That may be the productive way forward. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC) - BTW, I must say this talk page is loading faster than usual. Have you been doing some archiving recently? If so, I'm very disappointed. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- I was planning to invite Iridescent to comment on something, and they're always complaining about load times so I thought I'd make at least a token effort. EEng 09:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Let's see ...
- I understand that WP:TPEBOLD is what you meant to reference, but that doesn't make it any less inapplicable, because it's an injuction against abusing the TPE right to gain the upper hand in disputes, which has nothing to do with what we're discussing. The issue here is when to get prior consensus, and that's covered at WP:TPECON.
- Copyediting may read to you as grammar fixes only, but it's not. See Copyediting.
- There was no
addition of the Ask questions, get answers sentence
; I simply gave the existing sentence its own bullet. [118] - The fact that I drew attention (by calling out BOLD in the edit summary) to my one edit which was even arguably substantive [119] does not mean I thought it would be controversial. I didn't and I don't.
- Your reasoning is entirely circular: I shouldn't have made the edits because they're controversial; they're controversial because you disputed them; you disputed them because I shouldn't have made them. Like it says at WP:TPEDISPUTE:
A template editor should not revert the edit of their peer on a protected template without good cause, careful thought and (if possible) a prior brief discussion with the template editor whose action is challenged. It is the responsibility of the reverting template editor to demonstrate their revert is not out of sheer reflex.
- So one more time: do you have any specific objections to the edits themselves (other than your mistaken comment, addressed above, about the "Ask questions, get answers sentence")? Otherwise, as you can probably tell by the other comments here, you're beginning to look silly by continuing to harp about process instead of discussing substance, and your feedback, though well-intended, is misguided.
- Instead of blindly mass-reverting to make a point you should have built on or adjusted what I did, or selectively reverted. For example, you can't seriously be suggesting that the template should continue to tell readers where to go to find disputes (
For disputes, seek dispute resolution
), the absurdity of which Eppstein has so succinctly illustrated above. - EEng 09:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- You are right regarding the "ask questions" sentence; I misread the way it displayed in the diffs and I apologize about that. I think the point holds up with other examples, but I'm going to strike that, as well as
serious
at the top as a gesture of goodwill. I still urge you to be more cautious, though, especially when you're editing a template that appears at the very top of roughly 1 out of every 6 article talk pages on Wikipedia, and to seek discussion first next time. - The specific objections I have to the edits is a separate discussion to the procedural one here, and I wish editors would not mix them as it benefits neither. A discussion on the talk page was just opened, and I'll participate there. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- I appreciate the strikes and so on, but still this thread has been a complete waste of time. You should have just commented on the edits and saved everyone all this distraction; if you wanted to say, in opening such a discussion, "might have been better to have have discussed these changes first", that would have been fine. The high transclusion count, where those transclusions are outside article space, is of no significance unless you think the result is affirmatively objectionable, not just capable-of-being-improved (and I'll not that most participants at the talk page seem to think that the changes were improvements on balance over the old text, so in point of fact it would have been better for you to have left them while further improvements were discussed). EEng 07:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- You are right regarding the "ask questions" sentence; I misread the way it displayed in the diffs and I apologize about that. I think the point holds up with other examples, but I'm going to strike that, as well as
- Hmm. TPECON is just a rough guide. The idea is generally that allowing the opportunity for discussion is preferred when editing high visibility templates, but it comes down to ones best judgement on the changes really. It also slightly backfires sometimes because many times nobody cares enough either way, or instinctively prefers the status quo, so stuff remains shit. I think you, too, have had experiences with this. I don't have much of an opinion here, other than to say either way I don't think it deserves an overly hard spanking - after all, a new admin recently made a bold change on the Main Page and got less for it.As for the change itself, I think it's an improvement in the wording. More generally, EEng has a certain eloquence with words that I think is useful in the template namespace, so I'm glad he's a template editor. Hopefully for his next trick he turns his talk page purging into a bot to more broadly
Limerick, Harvard, FBDB
You might find Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Margaret Harwood amusing... —David Eppstein (talk) 21:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Margaret Harwood
Feel free to use the limerick! I might tweak it a little bit - do feel the last line could be punchier, but go with the version you like best. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 23:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well you do realize "suck it" resonates with a well-known earlier work. EEng 23:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- True, which is the upside. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 01:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Every once in a while I'm struck by the fact that this has to be the filthiest user page on the project. EEng 04:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if we could get away with the limerick if we made this the April 1st POTD? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 11:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Smart. It might work as "truthful whimsy" -- see Wikipedia_talk:April_Fool's_Main_Page#The_Ground_Rules. Perhaps the entirety of the text/caption for the image could be simply and only the limerick, with the link behind it taking the reader to the article. But the article needs work, really it does. I'll be happy to help but with the Harvard Archives closed it may be tough to do a good job. That's unfortunate, because my spidey sense tell me that [120], being a scrapbook by alumni, might have interesting biographical details. By the way [121][122][123][124][125]. (She apparently spent a lot of time at the beach.) EEng 13:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if we could get away with the limerick if we made this the April 1st POTD? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 11:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Every once in a while I'm struck by the fact that this has to be the filthiest user page on the project. EEng 04:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- True, which is the upside. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 01:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Here, have a sticker, funny man
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Two years ago, I came to EEng's userpage to steal memes and replace them with pictures of Ned Kelly. Over time I realized this user is a vanguard and upholder of our most important value here: the common man's right to defy figures of authority by throwing banoffee pies at their portraits. Thank you for keeping Wikipedia sane and free. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 06:31, 30 November 2020 (UTC) |
- And I, in turn, want to say thank you for the opportunity to learn, for the first time, of banofee pies! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Discussion of guidelines for short descriptions
There’s a new proposal to add dating recommendations to the guidelines for short descriptions. Short descriptions are a prominent part of the mobile user experience, but the discussion so far has had relatively few voices. Since you are a top contributor to one or more Manual of Style pages, I thought you might be interested. Cheers —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 01:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Well, personally I've always found the ol' dinner-and-a-movie the best bet. Museum and concerts can be good too. Unless you were introduced by a friend, make sure someone knows where you're going and when you expect to be home. See also [126]. EEng 03:05, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
This is going to slip under the radar for you
But you have relatively high visibility, at least where Wikipedia subject matter is politically sensitive. Because every change here is more or less permanent, the ship has already sailed, but I urge you to consider the fact that Wikipedia is somehow the most reliable source of consolidated information on the Internet. I get the jokes, the cynicism, the memes, all that, but you are providing an extremely transparent, highly visible profile of personal bias. The best practices for information sourcing on Wikipedia provide some protection, but they're not bulletproof. An explicitly partisan affectation by the editors undermines the mission of objective truth, and aggravates the environment in which objective truth is a matter of partisan contention. IRSpeshul (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- (
Buttinsky) ... but your special user page also has explicitly partisan affectations:
I like Firefly, classical music, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, hookah tobacco, good liquor, guns, and math.
Levivich harass/hound 05:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)- grr, maths ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 07:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- See that's the problem with these extremely transparent, highly visible profiles of personal bias: look how aggravated the environment is getting. I'm not one to get into an argument about mathism with a mathist (or, as I believe they prefer to be called, "mathematician"), but we have a lot of articles about math, and we don't want to give the impression that we tilt pro-mathian or are some kind of math-wing website. Levivich harass/hound 07:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- So you're just going to keep calling PR mathist when they've clearly expressed a preference for mathsist? —valereee (talk) 12:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Woe to anyone with a lisp. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- So you're just going to keep calling PR mathist when they've clearly expressed a preference for mathsist? —valereee (talk) 12:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- See that's the problem with these extremely transparent, highly visible profiles of personal bias: look how aggravated the environment is getting. I'm not one to get into an argument about mathism with a mathist (or, as I believe they prefer to be called, "mathematician"), but we have a lot of articles about math, and we don't want to give the impression that we tilt pro-mathian or are some kind of math-wing website. Levivich harass/hound 07:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- grr, maths ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 07:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- (
- I disagree 100%. Everyone has biases. Neutral editing means putting your biases aside when editing (when editing content, anyway), not pretending you don't have any. EEng 06:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also the original comment comes off as being much like the people who say "I don't have an accent, it's only those people in [other country/other part of same country/other side of tracks in same city] who have accents". Which is to say, un-self-aware. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm automatically against anyone who implies I have biases. --A D Monroe III(talk) 03:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Biased against them? —David Eppstein (talk) 05:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm automatically against anyone who implies I have biases. --A D Monroe III(talk) 03:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Also the original comment comes off as being much like the people who say "I don't have an accent, it's only those people in [other country/other part of same country/other side of tracks in same city] who have accents". Which is to say, un-self-aware. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
In the interest of full disclosure...
I am linking to this diff instead of letting you discover it on your own. I know you like a nice blend of irony, useless gnoming, and a nicely worded edit summary, perhaps with a splash of vermouth. (BYOV.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh WOW, man! So meta! EEng 08:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Peer review
You probably think there's no real truth except what you read in the papers? Look deeper. If someone (me, for example) disagrees with you they may be making an objective (not subjective) observation.
Your group of administrators are behaving like peer reviewers but you aren't treating the matter as factual. You are one level removed, and probably emotionally vested in your viewpoints. That is Cognitive Dissonance and it's very hard to get past. Are.u.sure (talk) 06:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Between you and Andrew Sullivan my opinion of Oxford grads has declined substantially over the years. EEng 13:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Well there's Emma Watson. Or was that Hogwarts -- I get them confused. O3000 (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I resemble that remark. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- And stop calling me illiterate. My mother and father have been married for 45 years. EEng 11:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
George Floyd
'I have been asked to summarise the changes I have asked for.
Title change from Killing of George Floyd to Death of George Floyd References employing killed such as was killed changed to suitable alternatives such as died The facts of the autopsy don't support emphasis on Derek Chauvin's knee. Please shift the emphasis towards those suggested by the autopsy findings A summary of the autopsy results to be placed near the topAre.u.sure (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC) The link: https://m.startribune.com/hennepin-county-commissioner-challenges-reappointment-of-medical-examiner/571146502/ strongly points to attempts to politically manage this case. The article should cover this aspect and downplay the other narratives. I look forward to seeing these improvements.Are.u.sure (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)' Are.u.sure (talk) 04:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- You've been blocked from the Floyd articles and their talk pages for a reason, and continuing your crusade on people's talk pages is going to get you blocked completely. You need to accept what a dozen experienced editors are telling you: you're making a fool of yourself and wasting people's time. If you can't bring yourself to direct your efforts to less fraught topics then Wikipedia can't use you. EEng 06:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Configurable order of references
Hi EEng, as we discussed similar means in the past, this might be interesting for you: [127] Cheers --Matthiaspaul (talk) 13:37, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Matthiaspaul, I keep meaning to get back to this to continue the conversation, but I need some quiet time. Remind me if you get impatient, because I don't want to lose this opportunity. EEng 00:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Don't worry, I'm busy as well and have a huge backlog. I don't expect this to be implemented soon (although this certainly would be great, even if only partially implemented), but the idea and variations on it are on record now and therefore easy to refer to in other discussions.
- --Matthiaspaul (talk) 01:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- We all definitely need some quiet time! I hope that all is well with you, EEng. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Happy hols
When I was a teenager (back in the day), I had a friend called Denis who had a paper round. He used to complain about how much he hated one customer, who had a subscription to the Sunday Times (famously heavy with loads of glossy pull-outs), because they were the only household he delivered to on a particularly long street, and they lived right at the end of it so he had to go all the way down there, deliver one paper that earned him about 5p, then come all the way back to carry on with his deliveries. For some reason, as I scrolled down to the bottom of your talk, I thought of Denis for the first time in years.
Anyway, back on task: I don't have any beautiful pictures, coloured backgrounds or fancy code in curly brackets to deliver, they were all too heavy to carry all the way down here, but I do have a plain-text message: I hope you have a splendid holiday season, doing whatever you like (and are allowed) to do. May 2021 be different. All the very best to you and yours. GirthSummit (blether) 19:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- For a moment I thought the heading was Happy holes but then I looked again and was disappointed.I'm sure Denis would have felt better about it if, instead of being paid a pittance, he was making those delivery for nothing – bringing a ray of sunshine into the life of a forgotten shut-in, as you're doing. EEng 22:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- I promise you are not forgotten by me. Let's all hope for a new year that will be better than the stinker that is coming to an end. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Best wishes for the holidays
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Seasons greetings. Hope you and yours are safe and well during this rather bleak period, though I think we will get through it. Best. Ceoil (talk) 02:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC) |
- Thank you for taking the time. Listen, I have a question. I've always wondered what Ceoil means. Did you used to copyedit paintings, or what? EEng 19:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
- Its the Irish for music, sometimes or not spelled with an "i", depending from which part of the country your from. Best enjoyed with crack.[128][129] - this combination of words being a very common banner above pubs, and not what ye Americans might think. But "Ceol, Caint agut Craic" means "music, talk and banter". Yes, I know, too many jokes :) Ceoil (talk) 02:26, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, well, it's the i that threw me off. Otherwise I'd have recognized it immediately, of course. EEng 03:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, well. ps, might tap you in a few weeks to look at Funerary art in Puritan New England - it's a bit underwritten just yet, but seems something you might know a few things about. Ceoil (talk) 03:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- While I do live in the area, and find these objects interesting (delighful?) I don't think I have anything to contribute per se, but of course I'll be happy to copyedit. I still remember, after many, many years, finding one such inscription:
I once did standTime was I stood as thou dost now / and viewed ye dead as thou dost me. / Ere long you lie so low as I / and others stand and gaze at thee.
- I wish I could remember where because a photo would be great for the article. EEng 04:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- While I do live in the area, and find these objects interesting (delighful?) I don't think I have anything to contribute per se, but of course I'll be happy to copyedit. I still remember, after many, many years, finding one such inscription:
- Yeah, well. ps, might tap you in a few weeks to look at Funerary art in Puritan New England - it's a bit underwritten just yet, but seems something you might know a few things about. Ceoil (talk) 03:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, well, it's the i that threw me off. Otherwise I'd have recognized it immediately, of course. EEng 03:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Its the Irish for music, sometimes or not spelled with an "i", depending from which part of the country your from. Best enjoyed with crack.[128][129] - this combination of words being a very common banner above pubs, and not what ye Americans might think. But "Ceol, Caint agut Craic" means "music, talk and banter". Yes, I know, too many jokes :) Ceoil (talk) 02:26, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Its incredible how bitter some of them are. But yeah, not delighted with the photo offerings there atm. Would have been in CT this x-mass, but plague. Plan to revisit southern Maine maybe this summer, all going well, so might take some pictures. A stone that stands out, from first visit to Maine c 2013 was an 1780s? headstone that read, basically, "ye all laughed at me when I was alive, but then ye all died much younger than me, and look at me now, and the size of my fucking tomb." Ceoil (talk) 04:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Lexington Epitaths A copy of epitaphs in the old burying-grounds of Lexington, Massachusetts, Brown, Francis H. (Francis Henry), b. 1835; Lexington Historical Society (Mass.), 1905, page 39, Ebenezer Fiske, findagrave.com, Old Burying Ground. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 04:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you davidwr. Ceoil (talk) 04:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, thanks. That is exactly the one; I even remember the stone. I was actually going to say Concord, because a friend in college was a docent at Minuteman National Park and gave us a tour. That tells me I've been carrying that around in my head for 42 years. The human mind is amazing. But I still can't remember where I put my glasses. EEng 05:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you davidwr. Ceoil (talk) 04:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Lexington Epitaths A copy of epitaphs in the old burying-grounds of Lexington, Massachusetts, Brown, Francis H. (Francis Henry), b. 1835; Lexington Historical Society (Mass.), 1905, page 39, Ebenezer Fiske, findagrave.com, Old Burying Ground. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 04:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
H-index
Good morning, and Happy New Year!! Quick question - what is a respectable Google Scholar h-index relative to notability? Atsme 💬 📧 13:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- In Hartford, Hereford, and Hampshire, h-indices hardly ever happen./ I'm not really the right person to ask, but see WP:Notability_(academics)#Citation_metrics. EEng 17:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Atsme, I believe in part it depends on the field. Researchers in some fields have much higher h-indexes than in other fields. —valereee (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- True, but the bottom line remains that h-index is, at best, of very limited use for AfD. EEng 19:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Agree. See H-index#Comparing_results_across_fields_and_career_levels. There's no universal h-index that's acceptable – they vary very widely across fields. For humanities especially, reviews of publications and other WP:NPROF criteria are much more commonly used at AfD to establish notability than h-index. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you to all for your input. I vaguely recalled former h-index discussions which have remained dormant in my memory (what's left of it) for some of the reasons I've read above; i.e., qualifying factors. Worse yet, I can still feel the effects of the fireworks, and the after-ring is louder than my tinnitus. 🧨🎆🎇 It has nothing to do with the celebratory liquid that flowed past my lips last night - or was it this morning? 🍸🍹🥂🍾 That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 🤕 Atsme 💬 📧 21:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Agree. See H-index#Comparing_results_across_fields_and_career_levels. There's no universal h-index that's acceptable – they vary very widely across fields. For humanities especially, reviews of publications and other WP:NPROF criteria are much more commonly used at AfD to establish notability than h-index. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- True, but the bottom line remains that h-index is, at best, of very limited use for AfD. EEng 19:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Astounding
I thought I might alert you to this. It's not a particularly exciting case, but maybe you'd find it more funny. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 21:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just don't stare at it for too long, lest one get conjunctivitis. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- What's wrong with you? Conjunctivitis is when you write a long sentence and it goes on and on and you use and and/or or a lot. EEng 07:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- There's nothing wrong and/or not right or not and right and/or write as well as wrong and/or not right or not and right and/or write in the conjunctive or if it were Led Zeppelin the way to stare at the conjunction while nonetheless a lot and see also Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu. And you can quote me on that. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- What's wrong with you? Conjunctivitis is when you write a long sentence and it goes on and on and you use and and/or or a lot. EEng 07:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just don't stare at it for too long, lest one get conjunctivitis. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I always welcome WP:ASTONISHME contributions, but this case seems borderline on the
reader likely already knows
score. At least I think it's borderline. Not sure. I guess definitely borderline. Maybe. But anyway, I think we can avoid that question once we realize that WP:ELEVAR is also in play – sayingthe planets
, when we could just name them, needlessly makes the reader jump through a little hoop. Take a look at what I did. EEng 07:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)- Fair point, and I like what you did! Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ovinus, current events divert me, but if I don't get back to Talk:PGage by, say, two weeks into the Biden administration, please ping me again. EEng 05:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Current events divert me too... looks like 2020's devilish spirit persists. I'll remind you appropriately. Ovinus (talk) 08:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ovinus, current events divert me, but if I don't get back to Talk:PGage by, say, two weeks into the Biden administration, please ping me again. EEng 05:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Fair point, and I like what you did! Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Your recent edit
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DFO, stop floundering around. --Tryptosoul
You're welcome --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- How dare you make jokes when the news is so serious! For those not paying attention, DFO refers to [130]. EEng 10:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- And all this time I've been using a clothes dryer. Seriously, making jokes gives me a break from pontificating elsewhere. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
File:FBI grid of suspects wanted in 2010 US Capitol attack.jpg listed for discussion
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A file that you uploaded or altered, File:FBI grid of suspects wanted in 2010 US Capitol attack.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. BeŻet (talk) 14:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be 2021 . . .? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Time machine [131]. EEng 20:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) A time-travel convention? When can I buy tickets? Are we taking the Delorian or the train?
davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- I looked at the image out of curiosity, and if I were to !vote on it, which I won't, I'd say delete purely on grounds of extreme ugliness. If I were discussing people in a serious setting, I would never judge them based on what they look like, but for the purpose of my comment here, ewwww!, talk about human garbage! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) A time-travel convention? When can I buy tickets? Are we taking the Delorian or the train?
- Time machine [131]. EEng 20:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be 2021 . . .? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Cage, Gage, Shiiiit!
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... nice!! --Sandwichmaker123
I don't know if you have access to Netflix, but they have a new comedy series hosted by historian Nicolas Cage, called The History of Swear Words. Episode 2, examining the topic of "Shit", includes a segment about Phineas Gage. I think it's not very accurate, but... --Tryptofish (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- H.M., eat your heart out. EEng 20:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Historian Nicholas Cage? Stealing the Declaration of Independence and discovering a secret message on the back from the Illuminati does not make one a historian. Mgasparin (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I meant it as a joke, but it appears that my skills in that regard don't amount to much online. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well for what it's worth, I think it's funny now, but when I first read your comment above (without clicking on the link), I just assumed that there must actually must be a historian with the same name. Paul August ☎ 22:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I meant it as a joke, but it appears that my skills in that regard don't amount to much online. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Nicolas Cage ... Phineas Gage. MORE THAN A COINCIDENCE??? EEng 00:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
The Dragonslayer Barnstar
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The Dragonslayer Barnstar | |
I am pleased to award this barnstar to you in recognition of your glorious dragonslaying efforts. Although I actually constructed this for you years ago, I didn't award it to you at the time because I felt that it may not have been appropriate. But, in a world gone mad, I ultimately decided to follow the advice of the eminent scientist E. Lathrop Brown. Please consider this a testimonial in appreciation of your commitment to bring a bit of light and laughter to this dreary place. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC) | ![]() |
- (talk page stalker) As long as he's just slaying dragons and not fire-breathing lizards we are okay. If you do, 'zilla may sic a sushi on you. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Some people think it's spelled sick so maybe you should write sic [sic]. EEng 02:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice ...
...quote. Paul August ☎ 22:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
"Do not laugh"
If you want to make someone not not laugh, say do not laugh. I didn't not laugh, but I did revert the change - it is possible that the editor dug up the old newspaper article and expanded the section using it, but given the context, I am suspicious. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- How the guinch stole Christmas? EEng 14:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Early days
A bit of humor about encyclopedias. 😂 Atsme 💬 📧 16:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Um, can you cue us up to the relevant bit? Meanwhile, here's some other humor about encyclopedias [132]. EEng 21:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I no longer know how to speak English
I was about to actually revert you (ha!) because "an unable president" has got to be the worst of all worlds, and I was going to say in the edit summary that "unable" is an adverb not an adjective. But I looked it up, and unable is listed as an adjective, apparently in every dictionary, although some note "not before noun". This is blowing my mind. I thought "unable" always modified a verb, or acted as a "helping" verb, almost always accompanied by the preposition "to", and almost always modifying the verb "to be" (is unable to, was unable to, has been unable to...). I thought that's what an adverb was. But turns out it's an adjective, even though it never modifies a noun (The unable car? The unable tree? The unable president?). Help me. Levivich harass/hound 22:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to help you, but I'm unable to. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Unable? Are you sure you didn't mean disabled? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Since posting this I have now learned about predicative adjectives. Who could have predicatived it. Levivich harass/hound 22:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- No prevarication. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- I just figured it out: disable president! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
This gem I found on an article that I can't fathom actually had this on it
Happy New Year! I really feel like it belongs in an exhibit of some sort. I instantly thought of you.
All the best, Double Plus Ungood (talk) 02:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Double Plus Ungood, you refer, of course, to the fact that the compound adjective longest-serving is missing it's hyphen. Shocking. EEng 03:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- No u. Ur a compound adjective, EEng I actually didn't even notice the mistake. wow. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 03:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- That photog should get a Pulitzer for snapping the shot just a split-second before the sniper pulled the trigger. EEng 03:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- No u. Ur a compound adjective, EEng I actually didn't even notice the mistake. wow. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 03:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Your complaint
What exactly should I stop in History of photography? You seem to be complaining about a line I wrote when I edited an article years ago. I'm not sure which article I then used, but it was from an art historian who seemed qualified enough, and was also mentioned in another wikipedia article. It was apparently not good enough for you, so you removed some content I wrote, but apparently not all. I didn't care enough to put this back or to discuss it. Your whining about this only feels like an invitation to put this back in. Let's forget whatever I used as a ref then. Is this Taylor and Francis ref good enough for you: [133]? I could also look up whatever books included this concept, but if you just intend to remove everything that doesn't agree with you, please let me know in advance.Joortje1 (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- The idea that the Shroud of Turin is some kind of photograph has been thoroughly debunked. Here's what an actual scientist -- an expert on the history of photography -- said about it [134]:
Such claimants tend to draw upon the wisdom of hindsight to project a distorted historical perspective, wherein their cases rest upon a particular concatenation of procedures which is exceedingly improbable; and their 'proofs' amount only to demonstrating (none too faithfully) that it was not totally impossible ... The assertion that photography was the secret production of an isolated artistic genius may offer a compelling drama to those eager for sensation, but it belittles the practice of science ...
- So yeah, unless you have multiple, expert sources for this outlandish claim, I'll keep removing it. (Hint: Workers who publish their work through vanity presses don't count as scientific experts.) EEng 17:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) But how about the famous Turd of Brooklyn?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- What an insult to Brooklynites! He's from Queens. Unfortunately not Flushing. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- And hopefully on his way to Rikers. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- What an insult to Brooklynites! He's from Queens. Unfortunately not Flushing. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Now, now, Martin, no need to call him a turd. He'll be out of office once Joe Biden gets sworn in tomorrow. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, what a relief. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- If I may recycle something I learned at another editor's talk page, had the US been a monarchy, this could have been a royal flush. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, what a relief. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) But how about the famous Turd of Brooklyn?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
And now a word from the guy who just fell off the stool at the end of the bar
You guys hear the one about Trump and the sheep caught in a fence? Of course you didn't because you'd actually have to interact with "working-class" regular joes in a "personal" social situation somewhere "locker room humor" and "guy talk" are "permitted" and then you'd still have to "make friends" with MEN instead of hanging out with "males" and pretend to like them! BADABING!
You males/females can surely take jokes as well as you make them, right? I'm sure you can and that means you're not liking me right now because your "jokes" are about as funny as one would expect from "jokesters" that don't even have the sack to TELL JOKES on a "talk page" despite being the "Untouchables" of the Wikipedia World. Or at least English Wikipedia, anyway. And in "talk space". And on the "largest" but yet "loneliest" talk page in the whole history of the "community".
The last place anybody really "important" and "powerful" around here will ever need much less want to be and therefore catch the little males trying to act like big men in their "locker room" where they share "jokes" via Wikimedia image files and hyperlinks to online social media like YouTube and pretend to like other "editors". Or at least other "socks".
And here you are still "joking" about an ex-president so stupid and crooked and vile and hateful and racist and everything else "intellectuals" and "academics" so "liberal" and "tolerant" and "mature" and "ethical" and "respectable" in THEIR personal lives and professional "careers" just can't STAND in a "politician" they HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE THEIR EYES AND EARS AND TYPING FINGER(S) (index only, I'm guessing) and their MINDS AND "MOUTHS" off DONALD JOHN TRUMP FOR 20-25% PERCENT OF THEIR WIKIPEDIA "TENURE". Oh yes. Are you "guys" ever glad HE'S out of the "public sector". I wonder how TWITTER'S "bottom line" is liking "Biden". You know him, right? Got any good jokes about Biden beating Trump who beat Hillary who beat...Bernie Sanders yet? Better get on the Biden Bandwagon. He's your BOY!
Ah the delicious irony and no-jokes-necessary for the comedic timing and native humor of "intellectuals" and "academics" that a "generation" or two ago "grew up" (that just means got taller) and went off to "college" (and not a mile or a minute farther from Mommy and Daddy than absolutely necessary so they could still walk Junior to class the first day or at least "stop by" his dorm room...for the weekend) and plumb forgot to GO HOME pretending to hate a northeast Democrat "globalist" billionaire limousine liberal "white nationalist" lifelong New Yorker big city boy that insists on "Donald" that mopped up the floor with Hillary by going straight-up SAUL ALINSKY on the "Clinton machine" 0for "Sleepy Joe" the Blue Dog of Delaware.
And having to act "happy" about it here in the "locker room" or just ignore the unintended consequences of that laughable "Democratic" primary "election" process (minus the "caucuses" where "consensus" creates the "final count") where "winner takes all" starts and WINNING A PRIMARY ELECTION "DEMOCRATICALLY" DOES NOT GET YOUR NAME ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO "WIN THE PRIMARY" EVEN IF YOU LOST "SEVERAL STATES" AND "ELECTED OFFICIALS" AND "ELECTION OFFICIALS" AND "JOURNALISTS" CAN'T FIND "EVIDENCE" OF "ELECTION FRAUD" ANYWHERE AS/AFTER MILLIONS OF "AMERICANS" HAD/HAVE THEIR PRIMARY VOTES "COUNTED" BUT NOT "COUNT" AT ALL UNLESS THEY VOTED "BIDEN" IN THE "PRIMARY". "DISENFRANCHISING" EVERY SINGLE NON-BIDEN PRIMARY VOTER AND ALL TO "PROTECT DEMOCRACY" FROM A LAME-DUCK LIBERAL AS THE DAY IS LONG "REALITY SHOW STAR" THAT'S A HUGE THREAT TO???? WHO EXACTLY BESIDES AN IRANIAN "GENERAL" OFF THE RESERVATION TRYING TO CONDUCT A "COUP" AND MILITARY "INSURRECTION" IN "WMD-FREE" IRAQ DID "TRUMP" POSE AN "EXISTENTIAL THREAT" TO AS PRESIDENT AGAIN?
I'm sorry. I got serious during "happy hour" and started "yelling" posting in "all caps" and we all know where and when that sort of communication stared being described as "offensive" and even "hate speech".
I wonder if "young people" on college campuses see the "irony" in being "taught" that all caps on a screen where the "hate speech" gets erased every time an "app" is closed is YELLING and that YELLING is BULLYING and BULLYING is VIOLENCE while actually yelling and screaming inches from and straight into a stranger's face "on the street" without knowing a thing about him or her except that he or she is facing them and therefore MUST be on the "other side" is just "free speech" and "peaceful protest" and "civil unrest".
Got any mpegs or jpegs or pithy little witticisms or better yet some double entendres or personal anecdotes or "tongue in cheek" references to historical events "analogous" to something you'd "like" to see happen to "Trump" or maybe "the right" as a whole?
Or are you saving those for "Harris"?
I sure hope you folks do all your Wikipedia "volunteer work" on your own time, internet-enabled devices and internet access and have the receipts in your names - in the real world names - to prove it and don't live in "public housing" and never, ever take your paid job "work" home with you or your "charity" home "work" to your "workplace(s)" with you. Cause I got a feeling your "jokes" get much worse and and a lot more "graphic" and the "images" don't exist online or at least on the "light web" to make them "sight gags" and I don't think you have any of the necessary resources to "Hillary" your way out of public records requests that won't and can't be made so that records requested are "responsive" unless the lparty "requesting" them knows knows what is there to "respond" so the right "request" is made.
Ever heard of "Jeopardy"? Ever wonder why anyone would name a "quiz show" that forces the contestant to do all the talking "under duress" would be called "Jeopardy" and have most "duress" and the highest "paydays" - potentially - by far? And a 50/50 "chance" of "losing it all" on the final question "bonus round" going in as the "leader"?
Probably because they had experience with subpoenas, grand juries, discovery, the "hot seat" etc. And "personal communications" on "public property" including devices without "paper trails" that still produce "public records". And the "documentation" that they are "work-related".
Remember old Sleepy Joe xoesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor, too.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuckslur (talk • contribs) 14:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Biden - the oldest first-term U.S. president
If you think the fact that Biden is the oldest president in US history is "idiocy" and "trivia", why don't you remove the same fact from the article about Donald Trump? I think consistency should be one of our goals here. Felix558 (talk) 03:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Felix558, it belongs in the article somewhere (and without looking, I'm confident it's there); the idiocy consists in thinking it belongs in the already-very-overburdened lead. I encourage you to get it removed from the lead of the Trump article as well. EEng 03:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- EEng#s While you are obviously entitled to discuss this matter, you are not entitled to make unilateral changed, especially when you see that most users disagree with you. You seem to be in the minority and most users think that the media coverage and discussion about him being the oldest is such that it merits inclusion. Please discuss before you unilaterally remove it again. I not, I will have to report you to the edit-warring pageEccekevin (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Eccekevin, report away. The longstanding lead (at least back to late November [135] -- I didn't check further than that) does not include this, and you're attempting to force it in because you misunderstand the nature of the Wikipedia consensus process. EEng 20:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- What does it matter what the lede was in November? He's only been president since yesterday.Eccekevin (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- He was on track to the be the oldest president since the moment he was elected; the fact that he took office yesterday doesn't make this suddenly some new and amazing fact no one thought of before. EEng 20:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- 'on track' means nothing. Yesterday, he became the oldest sitting president in the 230 year history of the United States. Clearly, most users think it deserves a mention, especially given the media and online overage around his age (as a reminder, Wikipedia is based on sources, not opinions).Eccekevin (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Consensus is about reasons, not headcounts. And as demonstrated at the article talk, if we used a count of sources as the criterion then we'd be putting the rescue dogs in the lead as well. EEng 00:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wait, the rescue dogs aren't in the lead? OMG, he broke his foot on one of them! Possibly while naked! Clearly that's lead territory. —valereee (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC) —valereee (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- In fact, in many jurisdictions dogs are required to be on the lead. While you're here, V, you might pop over and have a talk with Eccekevin about BRD. EEng 01:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC) P.S. And don't think I forgot about you-know-what. Right now I'm working on User:Levivich/Seussipedia
- Wait, the rescue dogs aren't in the lead? OMG, he broke his foot on one of them! Possibly while naked! Clearly that's lead territory. —valereee (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC) —valereee (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Consensus is about reasons, not headcounts. And as demonstrated at the article talk, if we used a count of sources as the criterion then we'd be putting the rescue dogs in the lead as well. EEng 00:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- 'on track' means nothing. Yesterday, he became the oldest sitting president in the 230 year history of the United States. Clearly, most users think it deserves a mention, especially given the media and online overage around his age (as a reminder, Wikipedia is based on sources, not opinions).Eccekevin (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- He was on track to the be the oldest president since the moment he was elected; the fact that he took office yesterday doesn't make this suddenly some new and amazing fact no one thought of before. EEng 20:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- What does it matter what the lede was in November? He's only been president since yesterday.Eccekevin (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Eccekevin, report away. The longstanding lead (at least back to late November [135] -- I didn't check further than that) does not include this, and you're attempting to force it in because you misunderstand the nature of the Wikipedia consensus process. EEng 20:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- EEng#s While you are obviously entitled to discuss this matter, you are not entitled to make unilateral changed, especially when you see that most users disagree with you. You seem to be in the minority and most users think that the media coverage and discussion about him being the oldest is such that it merits inclusion. Please discuss before you unilaterally remove it again. I not, I will have to report you to the edit-warring pageEccekevin (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, Biden is getting older, while ya'll argue here & at the Biden page. GoodDay (talk) 01:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, we're all getting older. As for arguing, I'm still waiting for any actual arguments over on the talk page. EEng 01:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that he is the oldest has specifically made headlines across national and international publications is an excellent reason.[1][2][3][4][5][6]Eccekevin (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Same for Biden's dogs [136]. EEng 01:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- That is a false parallelism. People.com, CNN, and Countryliving(UK) are not really the same standard as all the national and international newspapers listed above. Please find a better argument.Eccekevin (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Somehow you missed WSJ, Reuters, NBC News, NPR, USA Today, and CBS News -- and those are just from the first two pages of results. Any more objections? EEng 03:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Those are in the 'Entertainment'. 'Celebrities' and "Animals' sections, not politics. Very different tone and importance. Not all sources are equal. But if you want to argue for its inclusion, don't let me step in your way. That is not what this discussion is about, this seems like whataboutism. Eccekevin (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- The sources are reliable, which is what matters, and you've got a couple of "Style" section links in there yourself. And you misunderstand WP:WHATABOUTism. EEng 03:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Those are in the 'Entertainment'. 'Celebrities' and "Animals' sections, not politics. Very different tone and importance. Not all sources are equal. But if you want to argue for its inclusion, don't let me step in your way. That is not what this discussion is about, this seems like whataboutism. Eccekevin (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Somehow you missed WSJ, Reuters, NBC News, NPR, USA Today, and CBS News -- and those are just from the first two pages of results. Any more objections? EEng 03:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- That is a false parallelism. People.com, CNN, and Countryliving(UK) are not really the same standard as all the national and international newspapers listed above. Please find a better argument.Eccekevin (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Same for Biden's dogs [136]. EEng 01:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that he is the oldest has specifically made headlines across national and international publications is an excellent reason.[1][2][3][4][5][6]Eccekevin (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- In the midst of this? I just discovered that my country's governor general has resigned. GoodDay (talk) 04:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- My deepest condolences, GoodDay. But while you're here... should the lead of her article say she's the oldest governor general ever? EEng 04:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- In Payette's case, the "crankiest governor general ever". GoodDay (talk) 04:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- So in what passes for a constitutional crisis in Canada, Richard Wagner gets to stand in as the person who does nothing until a proper replacement can be found? I'm jealous. If only US politics could be so boring. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Canadian media tries to make it sound like a constitutional crisis, but it's quite a non-event within Canada. I in favour of the abolishing of the office. GoodDay (talk) 04:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Peter, Josh. "Joe Biden will become the oldest president in American history, a title previously held by Ronald Reagan". USA TODAY. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Happy birthday, Joe: 78-year-old Biden will be oldest US president to enter office". the Guardian. 20 November 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Birthday time: Biden turns 78, will be oldest U.S. president". AP NEWS. 20 November 2020.
- ^ Zak, Dan. "Joe Biden, 78, will lead an American gerontocracy". Washington Post. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ Diaz, Johnny (18 January 2021). "Biden Is the Oldest President to Take the Oath". The New York Times. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
- ^ "Biden to Become Oldest President Ever at Inauguration". Bloomberg.com. 19 January 2021. Retrieved 21 January 2021.
Mittens
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So ... have we got enough sources to write Bernie Sanders mittens photograph yet? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- The cat and his kittens
- They put on their mittens,
- To eat a POTUS pie.
- The poor little kittens
- They lost their mittens,
- And then they began to cry.
- And lo, it was DYKed.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:26, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Could I be the first to congratulate you on creating a Talk page that's over a million bytes long? To be precise... 1,000,290 bytes!! Wow. Nice work. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'll save my praise until the page reaches 1 MB (1,048,576 bytes). Mixing decimal and binary units is highly distasteful. You end up having to use words like "mebibyte". *shudders* nagualdesign 01:28, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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Uncivil comments
I am sad to write that today when asked by an uninvolved editor to review this dispute, I unfortunately noticed some problematic comments on Talk:Joe_Biden/Archive_14#Infobox.
So, do you actually believe that it's not possible to find a published reliable source for Biden's chairmanships and so on, or are you just being difficult? EEng 13:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
In attacking the personal motivation of another editor, this does not assume good faith, which is required of all editors. Surtsicna challenged unreferenced material in the infobox, and the sources provided by other editors in the discussion did not verify the challenged material. WP:UNSOURCED says that the burden of adding sources is on editors who want material added. Surtsicna has no obligation to lift a finger to find a reliable source, and whether they believe that task will be easy, hard, or impossible, the requirement for editors who want the material added to provide sources remains. These dates are not obvious or well-known facts, and this type of information often needs correcting by fact checkers, so that challenge is completely legitimate, even if that editor would also prefer the material be removed for other reasons. The above response only serves to antagonize the other editor, making them less likely to contribute to the project in the future, less likely to be agreeable to your suggestions, less likely to help you, more likely to respond in an negative and unproductive way, less able to think clearly, and more likely to prolong your dispute. More productive responses in this context include:
- Providing the requested sources, which you actually did the next day after another go-round.
- Agreeing that the challenged material should be removed.
- Asking for more time to find the requested sources; Surtsicna was willing to leave the material in place with citation-needed tags in the meantime.
- Proposing that different text be added.
- Saying nothing, which would be far better than responding with a personal attack.
To be blunt, seriously believing that there aren't complete and definitive sources for the chairmanships of Senate committees brings into serious question your competence to edit this article. Seriously. Did you even try? [35] EEng 05:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Given that the sources provided by another editor failed to verify the challenged material, a reasonable inference is that it might be hard to find such a source. (Though that did not turn out to be true in the end.) As I pointed out earlier, Surtsicna had no obligation to try to find such a source, and it is unfair to conclude that failing to identify the requested sources when that burden does not fall on this editor is a demonstration that this editor lacks the skill to do so. There isn't even a requirement that editors who do the useful work of challenging unreferenced, unobvious material have any familiarity with sources relevant to a topic. Attacking the competence or intelligence of another editor in this way is unacceptable. Productive responses to errors by other editors include fixing partial errors, reverting large errors, politely pointing out mistakes on talk pages, and allowing that even the most brilliant people make mistakes sometimes. If an editor is chronically and grossly incompetent, eventually it will be worth discussing that as a problem, but not until these more productive responses have not worked, and not in an uncivil fashion. Verbal abuse is not a productive way to notify volunteers about their mistakes, and verbally abusing a volunteer over a mistake they haven't even made, which is what happened here, is even more demoralizing.
I'm considering pinning a little box to the top of this page: "It has been X hours since Surtsicna falsely claimed that everything in an infobox needs to be in the article as well." EEng 15:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
This is another unacceptable comment which is snarkily attacking another editor. Assuming good faith on the part of two editors who have completely opposite interpretations of a guideline leads me to conclude that either one has made an honest error, the guideline is unclear, or there is some other complexity yet to be uncovered. A productive, AGF response might be to quote the part of the policy you are relying on, explain your logic, and ask the other editor if you are missing anything. Another AGF response might be to ask the other editor to quote the part of the policy they are relying on, or to clarify their reasoning if they have already quoted. In this case, if you had done either, I think you would have found that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes has two sections which say different things about the disputed question. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says that infoboxes should not have any facts which are not in the text of the article, and WP:INFOBOXREF (which you quoted) encourages that but implies that there will also be some cases where editors do legitimately decide to include facts in the infobox but not the article. Instead of identifying this contradiction and bringing it to the attention of other editors for resolution, your response instead demoralized an editor who is being productive and trying to build consensus and improve the reader experience, whether or not you or I agree with that editor's suggestions.
(added) I should also note that one of your comments cites WP:CIR, which specifically says in WP:CIRNOT not to label someone as incompetent, as this is a personal attack.
I hope that in the future instead of tearing into other editors, you can express disagreement in a more productive and civil manner. I hope that you will use the "assume good faith" guideline as a reason to stop and calmly consider the possible legitimate reasons for an editor's actions, including miscommunication and that you yourself might not have a complete picture. I usually find the latter is true for myself. You are clearly a smart person and like the rest of the community of volunteers I'm trying to keep motivated, have many valuable contributions yet to make. Thanks for reading, Beland (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have popcorn, will share. -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 07:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mmm... Salty. Thanks, Roxy. nagualdesign 09:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Think of your blood pressure. EEng 17:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mmm... Salty. Thanks, Roxy. nagualdesign 09:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh dear. All of those examples look relatively polite for EEng. Poor Surtsicna, must feel crushed? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Beland, I'm sad you wrote too. Mostly TLDR, but in passing:
I think you would have found that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes has two sections which say different things about the disputed question
– No, actually,I would not have found that, as you yourself discovered after posting here (see [137]), although you strangely omitted to return here to post the traditional Oops! My bad! Maybe next time you should more carefully consider thatyou yourself might not have a complete picture
.- Surtsicna was told over and over and over and over and over, with links to the guideline and/or quoting it, that not everything in an infobox needs to be in the article. Nonetheless he or she stubbornly insisted on repeating that idea. And repeating it. And repeating it (in multiple threads, as I recall). AGF doesn't require us to close our eyes to what is obviously either a CIR failure or just plain willful blindness.
- My comments about the chairmanships weren't about whether sources were in the article, but rather whether they exist at all. Surtsicna said
I do seriously believe it is not possible to find published reliable sources about all these people preceding or succeeding Joe Biden in the given date ranges
, and I said (yes)To be blunt, seriously believing that there aren't complete and definitive sources for the chairmanships of Senate committees brings into serious question your competence to edit this article
, because that's true. And, frankly, if you can't see how absurd it is to imagine that there aren't definitive sources for Senate chairmanships, then you aren't competent to be sticking your nose into this matter. Really. specifically says in WP:CIRNOT not to label someone as incompetent
– No, it says it'sgenerally inadvisable
to call a person incompetent. I applied my judgment. And look! It worked: [138]! Too bad S., like you, was unable to bring himself/herself to come out and say, "Oh, now I see. I guess you were right. Sorry I didn't read more carefully."
- Surticna's wasted a lot of editor time. You're on your way to doing the same. EEng 17:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- I had a "CIR failure" once. But it turned out I had just been pigging out on salty popcorn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Where in the world do you get this stuff????
- I find an encyclopaedia always comes in handy. Little Brown (Jug) 123 (talk) 11:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- Where in the world do you get this stuff????
- I had a "CIR failure" once. But it turned out I had just been pigging out on salty popcorn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- You are correct that I misread MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE; perhaps Surtsicna and I made the same mistake. I didn't mention that here because I wanted to read your response first. As you can see, Bondegezou used a productive technique to resolve the disagreement over the interpretation of that section, by quoting the part that I had missed. This resulted in two improvements to the section; I clarified the sentence I had been relying on, and RexxS noticed that one of the examples was outdated and updated it. The suggestions I made above include conversational techniques that I hope would have helped you and Surtsicna resolve your disagreement more quickly, if you are concerned about not wasting time, and would have entirely avoided this one. Frankly, I'm more concerned about the editor time we are losing when editors are uncivil to each other and some of them stop editing entirely. My concern is not about who is right or wrong, as you were clearly correct in your interpretation of this guideline, for example. I am much more concerned with your language and your treatment of other editors. In response to this complaint, you might have said nothing, or you might have defended the correctness of your position without implicating matters of civility, or you might have apologized for your words and promised to be more civil in the future. Instead, you have demonstrated that you aren't interested in adopting more productive conflict-resolution techniques, especially when you defended your behavior as having been effective, and labelled yet another editor as incompetent. Given your continued incivility, and because you have been blocked for disruptive editing before, you are blocked from editing for one week. Please reconsider your commitment to civil discourse. -- Beland (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's the dumbest decision I've seen for a while. Shame on you, Beland. Feel free to block me too. I've had quite enough popcorn for the time being. nagualdesign 21:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Purely punitive. Tsk. Blocking user should be admonished. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- EEng, I've just advocated against this block at Beland's talk page and at AN. Now I'm going to say to you: please be nicer to people who are being dimwitted, as the person at the Biden talkpage was being. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's the dumbest decision I've seen for a while. Shame on you, Beland. Feel free to block me too. I've had quite enough popcorn for the time being. nagualdesign 21:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
More blocks for your collection
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Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid? Well, now that you're you can collect blocks with adult letters. They're not only stackable, they're reusable. I swar!! Can't I leave you alone even for a minute without you getting in trouble with the Wiki police!? ![]() ![]()
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- "Blocked Talk Page?? Easy.... just call DynoProd!" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Intent to unblock. Thank you. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Unblocked
Hi EEng, I’ve unblocked you per the thread linked above. Hope you have a good week ahead. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Common sense prevails. nagualdesign 22:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Shucks. Anyone need any of this 8 pounds of popcorn I got leftover?? Enjoy, pop-(corn)-pickers!!. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- For the record the AN discussion is here [140]. The closing summary reads, in part:
EEng has been unblocked by overwhelming consensus, Beland is reminded of the dangers and standards of adminship as well as the nature of blocks
. Whether that admonishment sank in is open to question, though [141]. The alert reader, on encountering an admin who deletes uncomplimentary messages without archiving them [142], might wonder what else is being hidden. EEng 08:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)- Yes, I do accept the unblock and the reason for it. I have always deleted all my incoming user talk page messages without archiving when I'm done with them, except for the compliments. So you might say everything is being hidden, or nothing...as it used to say there, if anyone cares they can look in the page history. -- Beland (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The question isn't whether you
accept the unblock and the reason for it
; you don't have a choice since the score at AN was Endorse block – 0, Overturn egregiously wrongheaded block and severely trout the admin who imposed it – 20. The question is whether you'll be able to adhere to thestandards of adminship as well as the nature of blocks
in the future; time will tell, I guess.As for not archiving your talk page, well,I have always deleted all my incoming user talk page messages without archiving when I'm done with them, except for the compliments
(italcis added) is nothing likeeverything is being hidden, or nothing
– rather, it's I feature the good stuff and hide the bad. One of the reasons I delay archiving is to dramatize that I fear no scrutiny. You are, of course, joking in your implication thatlook in the page history
is any kind of effective way to find and review past threads. EEng 02:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)- Yes, and I also "hide" the neutral and the boring. The compliments are mostly for myself, to keep motivated when I'm having a bad day. I was inspired by the famous line, "Keep your old love letters, throw away your old bank statements", which used to be quoted on my user talk page. Back in the day before pings, I would actually move conversations to the talk page of the other person so all of it would be in one place and they would get notified about my reply. That would leave nothing on my talk page to archive in some cases. I guess looking through the page history is more annoying than reading archives, but when I started doing it I didn't imagine anyone would actually care about old messages about article updates and bots and Wikiprojects and editing mistakes. If you're saying distant-past-me was planning ahead so if someone said something bad about my rarely used admin powers in ten years I'd be able to delete it and make it harder to find, OK. If I'm making myself look better by doing this, then well, great. Who doesn't like to look better. It sounds like you're angry at me, and I can see why you would want to try to trash the reputation of someone who makes you angry. I applaud your embrace of transparency, though personally I find this page unmanageably long.
- You previously wrote:
even when the truth is rubbed in your face over and over, and even after a score of editors vociferously denounce your judgment as completely out of calibration, you're either incapable of absorbing it or just can't bring yourself to acknowledge it.
You seem to have been expecting a personal message from me saying "oh hey, I messed up, sorry" or something. It's not something that's really required to resolve this case; the block has been reversed and admonishment has been delivered to everyone that needed one, including me. I do see why the overturn was in line with Wikipedia policy, though there also seems to be consensus that the existing system has not resulted in a culture of satisfactory civility. Not saying my solution is better. Though I've never seen the district judge apologize to a defendant when an appeals court overturns a sentence, sure, here in a less formal setting someone might do that anyway just to be friendly. With due respect, in this case, your past hurtful insults and continued insulting tone make it extremely difficult to feel a desire to be friendly and go out of my way to say nice things, though I remain committed to being civil and not unfriendly. Though I don't expect much more than to be insulted for having said even this, I bring it up in the hope that in the future it will help you more accurately understand interactions with other people, and as an example of how gratuitous incivility has negative consequences. -- Beland (talk) 04:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)- Do you never post anything under 1000 words?
If you're saying distant-past-me was planning ahead so if someone said something bad about my rarely used admin powers in ten years I'd be able to delete it and make it harder to find, OK
– No, I'm saying today-you doesn't care about transparency, whether in your administrative work or general editing.admonishment has been delivered to everyone that needed one, including me
– Actually only you.It sounds like you're angry at me
– Not in the slightest. You've provided amusement to the masses while contributing a beautiful illustration of my longstanding thesis that 97% of admins do important work in return for little recognition, while the other 3% are simply bossy, preachy, hypocritical, and/or just plain out of their depth. It is interesting to note how densely my block log (which – I guess I need to point out since you seem unable to read a block log – consists largely of overturned blocks and a joke block) is studded with the names of admins who are no longer admins – something you might want to think about.You seem to have been expecting a personal message from me saying "oh hey, I messed up, sorry" or something. It's not something that's really required to resolve this case
– And therein lies the difference between us. When someone else is screwing up, I try to tell them so in terms matched to where they're coming from, the history of their receptiveness, and so on; and when I screw up – if I've caused trouble or inconvenience – I apologize. That's civility far more than your prissy parsing of posts for forbidden words and phrases. You, on the other hand, are so committed to your empty, formal civility that you can't even bring yourself to hurt your own feelings by acknowledging your mistakes.help you more accurately understand interactions with other people
– I require no advice from you on how to win friends and influence people. You stick to gnoming character codes and let us adults police our own interactions.
- EEng 17:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
how to win friends and influence people
A reference to the book? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)- Nah. Another work of art, surely. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Do you never post anything under 1000 words?
- The question isn't whether you
- Yes, I do accept the unblock and the reason for it. I have always deleted all my incoming user talk page messages without archiving when I'm done with them, except for the compliments. So you might say everything is being hidden, or nothing...as it used to say there, if anyone cares they can look in the page history. -- Beland (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Brainstorming for a contemplated TV ad (contributions gratefully accepted -- feel free to edit directly)
- Inspired by [143]. With enough material an amusing essay may be possible.
"The blather control aisle – so embarrassing! If you're a Wikipedia editor struggling with incompetence issues, now there's a better way. We home-deliver blather control products directly to you in plain, unmarked boxes ..."
- ...directly to your user page in plain unmarked mboxes... davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's the spirit! But mboxes might be too hackerish. Maybe plain unmarked userboxes? EEng 05:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
"The blather control aisle – so embarrassing! If you're a Wikipedia editor struggling with incompetence issues, now there's a better way. We home-deliver blather control products directly to you in plain, unmarked userboxes. Or, if other editors complain you're full of hot air ..."
- See also the discussion of "piss off", below. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- "You are not alone. This problem has a name: WikiLeaks. Minor leaks can be controlled by using appropriate garments, and padding can be added as needed. Normally, this kind of output is directed to the WP:CESSPIT. However, some WP:DICKS have leaked all over the internet, causing the internet to blow up. Should this happen to you, please call for a WP:MOP." --Tryptofish (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- "But now there's help: WP:Authority control." --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- <rubs hands gleefully> Now we're really getting somewhere. And to think I worried this might just poop out. Perhaps we're moving in the direction of something like User:EEng#Computer porn. EEng 22:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I just couldn't control myself. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
I joined the 300+ club and all I got was...
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Sorry, EEng, forgot a shout out back in August when I, myself, reached that milestone (diff). Felt like it was a bit of a pyrrhic victory (the 300 Spartans, to be specific), but I know you're not one to be weighed by earthly things... Anyway, how about I image macro you, for once! El_C 21:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ooh, usage of Template:External media noted for further spammage! El_C 15:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- In all sincerity, what's the 300+ club? I haven't got that many blocks yet. EEng 00:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm taking seriously the "in all sincerity" part, so just in case you were actually asking, he means the number of talk page sections. And if you actually knew that all along, never mind. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- The inquiry was sincere, and thanks to you I am now unriddled. EEng 03:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, maybe someday, I'll be unriddled too. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, I do hope so. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, maybe someday, I'll be unriddled too. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The inquiry was sincere, and thanks to you I am now unriddled. EEng 03:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm taking seriously the "in all sincerity" part, so just in case you were actually asking, he means the number of talk page sections. And if you actually knew that all along, never mind. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's okay, I can help make that happen for you! El_C 00:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ahem. I think you'll find they were actually Epirotes not Spartans, as such. Plutarchivans123 (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Martin, you're a true classic! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ahem. I think you'll find they were actually Epirotes not Spartans, as such. Plutarchivans123 (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- In all sincerity, what's the 300+ club? I haven't got that many blocks yet. EEng 00:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
"Undesysoppables"
Having managed to provide evidence that led to a desysop, I'm not sure "undesyoppables" is really a thing. Of course I think the recent block was heavy-handed and ill advised, but it didn't last very long and was swiftly overturned. It's not like anyone's running around blocking "content creators" left, right and centre, is it? (Or is it?) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Editing closed discussions
Hi there. I recently reverted one of your edits to that closed discussion at WP:AN and Levivich reverted me back, saying it was not a rule
. Would you mind moving that file to outside the archive box? It would be really appreciated, thanks! Sdrqaz (talk) 17:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- No I won't, because the external media box can't perform its function except in the place I put it. What's the big deal? Leave it alone. EEng 17:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- I must admit I found that (somewhat appropriate) 12-second clip quite hilarious. But let's face it EEng, that thread... is worse than that, it's dead, Jim! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Will you two shut up! People are trying to sleep! El_C 18:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- "Some of us have civility standards, you know!!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Will you two shut up! People are trying to sleep! El_C 18:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- I must admit I found that (somewhat appropriate) 12-second clip quite hilarious. But let's face it EEng, that thread... is worse than that, it's dead, Jim! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Tryptofish throws a temper tantrum
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You've been subjected to a certain amount of... whatever, over the past day or so. So I figured I'd tell you about something ridiculous that I encountered on-wiki today, in the hope that it will bring a smile to everyone here. (I'm not looking to give the guilty party a hard time. Just let it pass.) But (as Atsme will well remember), a little while back I created a fake "user warning" template that is based upon The Wikipedia Pissoff AwardTM, which everyone can feast their eyes upon here. Clearly this is very serious bizness.
So today, I made this revert: [144]. What I reverted was an editor making it look like this. Note the "documentation" at the bottom. Which made it into a "real" user warning template. Which set off a bot to "subst:" it where it occurs.
I'm picturing some earnest editor seeing the "uw" part of it and deciding that it just absolutely had to be properly set up as a user warning, with level 1, level 2, and so on. Either that, or they out-smarted me, and hoisted me by my own fishy petard by duly following the instructions, and pissing me off! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Gesto%2C_David_%C4%8Cern%C3%BD%28socha%C5%99%29%2C_21.10.2013%2C_Praha_%28cropped%29.jpg/130px-Gesto%2C_David_%C4%8Cern%C3%BD%28socha%C5%99%29%2C_21.10.2013%2C_Praha_%28cropped%29.jpg)
- 😂 Atsme 💬 📧 23:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- I like that it had an |escalate_to= parameter. The sequence should be piss off, bugger off, fuck off ... EEng 00:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I have lighthearted stuff to relate! An astrophysicist who's fucked up pinging like ten times in various places, and it's killing me I can't say to her, "It's not rocket science." —valereee (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well, you know "it's not exactly brain surgery" either, is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Tame assassination
Ben Franklin once wrote:
What was the practice before this in cases where the chief Magistrate rendered himself obnoxious? Why recourse was had to assassination in wch. he was not only deprived of his life but of the opportunity of vindicating his character. It wd. be the best way therefore to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused.
A Cornell Law professor suggests:
Franklin, recognizing that presidents might sometimes “render [themselves] obnoxious,” recommended a formal, constitutional mechanism for bringing them to justice instead of what he saw as the inevitable alternative: assassination. Or, to put it differently, impeachment was an attempt to domesticate, to tame, assassination ... I suggest that, in the context of presidential impeachment, we accept Franklin’s provocative invitation—an invitation that scholars have thus far ignored—to view impeachable offenses as (what might otherwise be) assassinable offenses ... These heretofore unexplored connections suggest that assassinability may appropriately provide the substantive criteria for impeachability. But assassination as a means of executive removal has significant drawbacks. It is politically disruptive; it carries a high risk of irreversible error; and it is, of course, violent.
Thought you'd find this amusing. Levivich harass/hound 20:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- An eloquent reminder that justice does not consist in giving the guy what -- truth be told -- he richly deserves. EEng 01:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Help?
Hi. I have a question. I am having various issues with an editor, but the one I am writing you about is in particular this - he deleted my comment on an article talk page.[145] Used Twinkle. No edit summary. I explained there was this was not proper. He just reverted that.[146] I see you are an expert in this rule. What can I do? Thanks.--2603:7000:2143:8500:14B6:711A:E2C2:19A9 (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- I've restored your post and warned the user who removed it not to do that again. Let me know if there are other problems. EEng 02:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- So kind of you. Much appreciated. This sort of thing is so frustrating - and on valentines day no less. 2603:7000:2143:8500:11C4:EABB:5D65:42AE (talk) 06:13, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Was the north facing photo talk page closed to prevent people from hurting my feelings, in part?
Your comments on Cullen's talk page sounded kind, so I thought I might try to talk with you. It seems that Magnolia677 had been being ironic when he said he liked the idea. If so, I totally fell for it. I would like to talk with Cullen to ask him why he (if it was him)closed the discussion (I thought it was productive), but I'm not sure whether he would welcome that. What do you think? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- User:Arctic Gazelle, sometimes enthusiastic new editors get into Wikipedia's "behind-the-scenes" areas before they have a good grounding in why a lot of things are done the way they are. (That's not to say that everything is the way it is for a good reason, but a lot of it is.) In this case, you're going against a very important principle which I, your humble correspondent, elucidated years ago at WP:NONEEDNORULE. We like to give editors who are working on a given article as much freedom as possible to fashion the article according to what they think will best serve the reader's understanding; to go against that that -- to make a rule saying that all X must be Y -- there needs to be a really good reason. You weren't understanding what other editors were telling you, and when that goes on for a while people begin to feel their time is being wasted, and then comments can turn harsh. It can be very disheartening to be on the receiving end of that, and and since you're a new editor I wanted to help avoid it. My advice is that you spend a year doing the everyday work that is Wikipedia's lifeblood: fixing errors, adding content, locating sources, participating in article talk-page discussions about directions to take the article. After that start looking around behind the scenes at guideline and policy pages. Good luck, and happy editing! EEng 22:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if I am not as humorous as you would like in this post. I went to the Help Desk to ask where I should post my idea and one of the suggestions was to post it in MOS, which I did. Then someone suggested moving it to the MOS for images, and I authorized that. I did not authorize the change in the title, and that made my proposal look much more extreme and finalized than it had. I don't think I did anything bold, let alone wrong. I just followed the instructions I was given at the Help Desk.
- I was perhaps helped by your remark about 'behind the scenes'. It seems like I was sent to something like a supreme court of Wikipedia. I read that article about 'no need, no rule' as well as several that it linked to. I learned a lot, and not just about Wikipedia, but also about why a supreme court might refuse to hear a case, which had previously puzzled me.
- I finally got Magnolia677's pun, on the tenth reading or so. A paling is also a post. Clever. I find it all the more puzzling that someone that intelligent would fail to at least find my idea interesting.
- Another thing I learned is what it must be like to get an unnecessarily harsh rejection letter from a publisher. Arctic Gazelle (talk) 00:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- "Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted." EEng 02:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- User:Arctic Gazelle, sometimes enthusiastic new editors get into Wikipedia's "behind-the-scenes" areas before they have a good grounding in why a lot of things are done the way they are. (That's not to say that everything is the way it is for a good reason, but a lot of it is.) In this case, you're going against a very important principle which I, your humble correspondent, elucidated years ago at WP:NONEEDNORULE. We like to give editors who are working on a given article as much freedom as possible to fashion the article according to what they think will best serve the reader's understanding; to go against that that -- to make a rule saying that all X must be Y -- there needs to be a really good reason. You weren't understanding what other editors were telling you, and when that goes on for a while people begin to feel their time is being wasted, and then comments can turn harsh. It can be very disheartening to be on the receiving end of that, and and since you're a new editor I wanted to help avoid it. My advice is that you spend a year doing the everyday work that is Wikipedia's lifeblood: fixing errors, adding content, locating sources, participating in article talk-page discussions about directions to take the article. After that start looking around behind the scenes at guideline and policy pages. Good luck, and happy editing! EEng 22:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#Facing north should be preferred is one of the best-illustrated threads of the year. Levivich harass/hound 20:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course it was me who closed that discussion, which is why it has my signature. The reason that I did so is that the chance of your proposal being accepted is zero, and it is a waste of time to keep discussing it, Arctic Gazelle. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- As an amateur photographer, I feel the best orientation for a picture is the one with the most favorable lighting. Generally, this means with the sun at my back and always with the sun not blazing into my lens. Of the thousands of photos I've shot, less than a dozen indicate a direction in the name or comments. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Was it a completely new idea? Have you seen the idea before? Has it been discussed and rejected before? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe seen before here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmZzGxGpSs —David Eppstein (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Love it...but it makes wonder how you knew about that cartoon, David. Atsme 💬 📧 16:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe he was one of the 38 people who read Dr. Seuss's Guide to Wikipedia. EEng 16:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I was hoping he'd admit it without any coaxing, which would provide a bit of ego stroking for those of you who worked so hard putting that presentation together. I mean, seriously...someone the caliber of David reading Dr. Seuss because of the work you & Levivich invested...well, it speaks volumes about your talent!! You deserve a stroke or two. (don't look a gift horse in the mouth). Atsme 💬 📧 20:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the real answer is "from having had kids". —David Eppstein (talk) 06:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I was hoping he'd admit it without any coaxing, which would provide a bit of ego stroking for those of you who worked so hard putting that presentation together. I mean, seriously...someone the caliber of David reading Dr. Seuss because of the work you & Levivich invested...well, it speaks volumes about your talent!! You deserve a stroke or two. (don't look a gift horse in the mouth). Atsme 💬 📧 20:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe he was one of the 38 people who read Dr. Seuss's Guide to Wikipedia. EEng 16:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Arctic Gazelle: While I honestly don't intend to be mean, it was, frankly, a really dumb idea, and if I were you I wouldn't harp on it any more, lest you attract unwanted attention from people looking for presumed troublemakers. Perhaps it wasn't intended to be quite as dumb as it sounded, and you meant to propose something different than what you proposed, but it is indistinguishable from trolling. It's "we should start every article with the letter Q"-level silly. We wouldn't discuss that for long just because it's a completely new idea, no one's seen it before, and it hasn't been discussed and rejected before. It is not important for 99.99999999% of readers (I'll assume good faith and say that 0.00000001% is you) to know whether Kasparov was facing N, S, E, or W. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- You sure know how to greatly intimidate someone safely. I learned a lot from you. Thanks for that. I am puzzled that someone so intelligent would not find my idea interesting.
- Maybe you are right (I could take it as a compliment) that I am the only one who would care which way Kasparov was facing during a chess match. But I would suggest that if that is true it is because others have not spent years thinking about visualization and it's role in understanding and memory.
- Also, I wonder what percentage of people would be grateful if they were to read that Kasparov was facing due east, or whatever the direction was? Conversely, how many people lay awake at night worrying about the fact that there was no encyclopedia that anyone can edit, before Wikipedia came into existence?
- My original title for the proposal was only that orientation of photographs should be made known somehow to the reader. That surely is not all that absurd? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 00:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe seen before here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmZzGxGpSs —David Eppstein (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Was it a completely new idea? Have you seen the idea before? Has it been discussed and rejected before? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- As an amateur photographer, I feel the best orientation for a picture is the one with the most favorable lighting. Generally, this means with the sun at my back and always with the sun not blazing into my lens. Of the thousands of photos I've shot, less than a dozen indicate a direction in the name or comments. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course it was me who closed that discussion, which is why it has my signature. The reason that I did so is that the chance of your proposal being accepted is zero, and it is a waste of time to keep discussing it, Arctic Gazelle. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/MBV_2008.jpg/170px-MBV_2008.jpg)
- Maybe it's a feng shui thing? EEng 16:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'll let you know. Pass me those crampons, would you? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Pardon my ignorance, but is a crampon a tampon for when you have cramps? That's the only thing I can think of. EEng 16:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Quite possibly. Lighting is crucial. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- That sounds very uncomfortable! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh no! Now we've got an earworm to go with this semantic wormhole!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- That sounds very uncomfortable! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Quite possibly. Lighting is crucial. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Pardon my ignorance, but is a crampon a tampon for when you have cramps? That's the only thing I can think of. EEng 16:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'll let you know. Pass me those crampons, would you? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but some of us are desperate to know if Deep Blue was facing Leicester. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe it's a feng shui thing? EEng 16:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Well, now. Where sheep're concerned, the question is really was Harold flying into the wind. Very important at take-off. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- How did we go from crampons to Monty and even further backward to Orville & Wilbur? They aren't the only ones who were high fliers considering this monumental moment in time.
Atsme 💬 📧 20:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you sure that they're the right brothers? In any case, I've brought the popcorn. (Just don't pig out on it!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did someone mention Orville?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- But we've had more than enough about The Donald! To the point that it's driving me daffy! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- At least it's not driving you Taffy. Some of us are historically north facing. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- But we've had more than enough about The Donald! To the point that it's driving me daffy! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did someone mention Orville?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you sure that they're the right brothers? In any case, I've brought the popcorn. (Just don't pig out on it!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Could have been worse
It could have said: "He was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross and born to Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (1888–1969) and Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy (1890–1995) as the eldest of nine children."
I just re-read that, it sounds even creepier the second time around. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- For those playing along at home, the reference is to [147]
I had a momentary lull in my day
So what better time to make use of it than on a Friday when WP is relatively quiet? I made us a little something to add to our dramah artillery. Atsme 💬 📧 18:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Complaints_take_a_number.jpg/290px-Complaints_take_a_number.jpg)
- [148] EEng 19:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, but any chance of putting a white outline around the lettering to make it more legible? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do. Atsme 💬 📧 19:44, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, but any chance of putting a white outline around the lettering to make it more legible? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- refresh the page, if you have an ample amount of spare time. 😊 Atsme 💬 📧 20:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Much better. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Is Bonaire in the (hand)-Grenadines? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Come to think of it, grenadine can be an ingredient in many a momentary lull. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Important question
Do you canoe? --WaltCip-(talk) 13:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Um, is this some kind of code language? EEng 18:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for the cryptic inquiry. In all seriousness, just hoping you're doing well and that Wikipedia isn't frustrating you too much.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate your asking. Well, there's the lonely death of my colleague, mentioned elsewhere on this page, and an aunt of my boyfriend who similarly died alone in a hospital in Brazil. So we can add Jair Bolsonaro to the list of sociopathic fucks joining Trump and his family, Stephen Miller, and rest of their gang of criminals and sadists in hell. Other than that it's all sweetness and roses on my end, and I trust all is well with you too. EEng 17:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- And he's not even got lovely blond hair. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate your asking. Well, there's the lonely death of my colleague, mentioned elsewhere on this page, and an aunt of my boyfriend who similarly died alone in a hospital in Brazil. So we can add Jair Bolsonaro to the list of sociopathic fucks joining Trump and his family, Stephen Miller, and rest of their gang of criminals and sadists in hell. Other than that it's all sweetness and roses on my end, and I trust all is well with you too. EEng 17:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for the cryptic inquiry. In all seriousness, just hoping you're doing well and that Wikipedia isn't frustrating you too much.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Or do you canoo?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I can ooh, for what it's worth. nagualdesign 18:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- More tea, vicar? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Typhoo Tea? I tasted that once, and it wasn't "ooh" (much less neo-orgasmic "ooh"). More like "eww". Score one for the US. (Just don't mention Bud.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I guess you're more of a tips man. [149] Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- (1) I'm a fish, not a man. (2) I actually never heard of PG Tips until now. I can't make up my mind whether that sounds like a name for the other kind of tea, or whether it's the name of a rapper. Procter and Gamble, maybe? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Heathens! It's Yorkshire Tea or nothing. Well okay, maybe coffee. nagualdesign 20:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- For the dogs. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- How very dare you!!! If you continue to denigrate the good name of Yorkshire Tea I'll report you to ANI! [FBDB] nagualdesign 20:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm just a YT. Don't you know, the Americans have been revolting for many years![FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- RIP Rush Limbaugh. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think you may have confused it with this. (warning about link!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Some things really don't require illustrations. nagualdesign 22:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think you may have confused it with this. (warning about link!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- RIP Rush Limbaugh. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm just a YT. Don't you know, the Americans have been revolting for many years![FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- How very dare you!!! If you continue to denigrate the good name of Yorkshire Tea I'll report you to ANI! [FBDB] nagualdesign 20:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- For the dogs. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Heathens! It's Yorkshire Tea or nothing. Well okay, maybe coffee. nagualdesign 20:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- (1) I'm a fish, not a man. (2) I actually never heard of PG Tips until now. I can't make up my mind whether that sounds like a name for the other kind of tea, or whether it's the name of a rapper. Procter and Gamble, maybe? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I guess you're more of a tips man. [149] Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Typhoo Tea? I tasted that once, and it wasn't "ooh" (much less neo-orgasmic "ooh"). More like "eww". Score one for the US. (Just don't mention Bud.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- More tea, vicar? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Broken_window_large.jpg/170px-Broken_window_large.jpg)
Nothin' new -- DrainLowe123
Then again Windows tend to be broken most of the time. --Tryptofish456
- No Bullock's? Bull! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Please, for the love of God, YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN. I'm begging you. EEng 00:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's wall-to-wall bastards...... nagualdesign 00:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123: Ahem, it's rest in pieces. @EEng: Shucks, mister. We done told ya we got nowhere else to play. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's wall-to-wall bastards...... nagualdesign 00:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Please, for the love of God, YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN. I'm begging you. EEng 00:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- No Bullock's? Bull! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Er, I guess I should consider this
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png)
?--WaltCip-(talk) 00:22, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Don't know if you saw this; I'm dropping this here after reading your comment here. Take care, Drmies (talk) 18:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- The direction that's going in is, I'm sorry to say, the one I'd recommend, so I don't think my input is needed. EEng 19:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Route_1_%2C_Between_Vik_and_Kirkjub%C3%A6jarklaustur_-_panoramio_%287%29.jpg/150px-Route_1_%2C_Between_Vik_and_Kirkjub%C3%A6jarklaustur_-_panoramio_%287%29.jpg)
Quick straw poll, does MOS:OVERLINK in your opinion discourage wikilinking reissue in articles? (Context here). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
PS: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#EEng's talk page size. Maybe I'm having a bad day but if I'm struggling to write the above sentence without my browser timing out, I think we at least should discuss it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Talk page reissue for radical repackaging reasons required? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm happy to set up archiving on this talk to match mine, which is : threads are archived 21 days past the last comment, individual archives have a maximum size of 70K, no archiving takes place until there are more than 10 threads on the page. As I said on the other thread, it's not a question of "getting off your back" as just that I can't read this page on my phone and feel somewhat left out. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ritchie, you know I like you very much, but I think you are having a bad day. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm happy to set up archiving on this talk to match mine, which is : threads are archived 21 days past the last comment, individual archives have a maximum size of 70K, no archiving takes place until there are more than 10 threads on the page. As I said on the other thread, it's not a question of "getting off your back" as just that I can't read this page on my phone and feel somewhat left out. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Reading through the (now closed) ANI thread I was surprised that this talk page crashes an iPhone. I thought they were supposed to be good. I'm using an old HTC One running Android 5 (circa 2014) and it loads without any issues. Same goes for my ~12-year-old laptop. nagualdesign 21:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am half expecting an admin to just jump in, archive the talk page, which would then trigger a revert and a complaint from EEng, which would then lead to EEng being blocked. That's how this usually works, right?--WaltCip-(talk) 21:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Admin misapplies WP:BOLD, ends up banning editor. Sounds about right.
nagualdesign 22:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Indef Threesie now, I say. And cut out the middleman. Block 'em up, I say... it's the only wiki language these Admins understand!! COVID-19 cab driver123 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not an admin but if the talk page archiving is really an urgent issue (and one doesn't want to just take the lazy {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}}) and if we want to avoid a test case for the suggested desysop policy I'll volunteer my poor self: can't be much worse than waiting 6 months for... :) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- I keep wondering if the slow loading times aren't really a symptom that something's wrong with how the server processes the wikitext before sending it to the browser, or in how the browser scripting for wiki edit windows work, or something like that. These files really aren't that large, by modern internet standards. So why are not-that-large files so noticeably slow? It would be more helpful to track down and fix the slowdown than to keep complaining that everything's too slow and making people work around it by moving their messages to inconvenient archives. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Good point on the technical issues. But removing old discussions and moving them elsewhere also has the benefit of helping keep track of which matters are current and which ones have been resolved. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's for EEng to decide how to organize his old talk archives and which ones he thinks are worth keeping on the current page. Listing reasons why you think he should do it a certain way is, at this point, kind of pointless. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Good point on the technical issues. But removing old discussions and moving them elsewhere also has the benefit of helping keep track of which matters are current and which ones have been resolved. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- I keep wondering if the slow loading times aren't really a symptom that something's wrong with how the server processes the wikitext before sending it to the browser, or in how the browser scripting for wiki edit windows work, or something like that. These files really aren't that large, by modern internet standards. So why are not-that-large files so noticeably slow? It would be more helpful to track down and fix the slowdown than to keep complaining that everything's too slow and making people work around it by moving their messages to inconvenient archives. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not an admin but if the talk page archiving is really an urgent issue (and one doesn't want to just take the lazy {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}}) and if we want to avoid a test case for the suggested desysop policy I'll volunteer my poor self: can't be much worse than waiting 6 months for... :) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Admin misapplies WP:BOLD, ends up banning editor. Sounds about right.
Late to the party, again
I frequent DGG's talk page as well as EEng's talk page. I enjoy both—usually, but not always—for different reasons. Both show an amazing amount of patience and forbearance (in different ways). I have no problem with length at either tp—perhaps because I use an iPad most of the time; I'll likely never buy an iPhone again—the iPad is so much cheaper and more useful. As far as possible bandwidth issues, perhaps it would be possible to add anchor points in the talk pages and index the points on the user page. On the other hand I always carry a camera bag that easily accommodates an iPad in a slot.
I find talk pages that are archived every day or two much more problematic, or worse, just blanked that often. — Neonorange (Phil) 05:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I thought the table of contents does that. But perhaps you mean chronological points by month or year in addition which would lead to the start of a group of sections? --it might make sense for the most recent month or two--this is the first time I've heard this suggested, and I am going to try it tomorrow. DGG ( talk ) 07:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- But my talk p. just worked fine on my iphone xr, --but that's using my 50 MB home wifi and being 10 feet from the access point. instantaneous access to the table of contents and then to each section. DGG ( talk ) 07:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Special Barnstar |
I just want to say that I like how you spend time on the project instead of archiving your talkpage. [FBDB] -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
- Well I feel it's the least I can to do make up for all the man-hours lost to the project because of editors sitting waiting for my talk page to load. EEng 23:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- "fo shizzle ma dizzle". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Technical Barnstar |
For the invaluable technical contribution of "archiving your talk page" SubjectiveNotability a GN franchise (talk to the boss) 13:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
- Yay!! Maureen O'Hara's got nothing on you, EEng. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is very disruptive, I'm very upset. The large amount of archiving resulted in a large number of changes on my watchlist. As a result, my watchlist suffered a severe outbreak of hives.[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 16:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Haiku bot
First of all: holy shit the page loaded in under ten seconds! All right! :-D
But more importantly, you'll recall the ANI haikus of years past. Today, I learned that there's a bot on reddit called "haikusbot" that goes around detecting haikus in other people's comments and pointing them out. I was reading this /r/madden thread (don't judge) [150] and someone wrote:
Did they fix this game, or is it the same trash they shit out every year?
...and the bot posted:
Did they fix this game,
Or is it the same trash they
Shit out every year?
- haterrage
I detect haikus. Sometimes, successfully. Learn more about me
What a brilliant use of technology! Wikipedia needs this. ANI needs this. Levivich harass/hound 16:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)