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Requests for project input

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Proposed deletion of Marlin-class submarine

The article Marlin-class submarine has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Could not find reliable sources to establish notability.

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If there are reliable sources about this submarine design, some data could be upmerged to the the designer article, DCNS. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom)

1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 17:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Bertrand_Clauzel

Sorry I am new to wiki so apologises if this is the wrong place to ask, I requested peer review following some changes I made to the linked article. LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025

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Discussion on the infobox result and territorial changes of the Granada War

There is an ongoing discussion on Talk:Granada War about the result and territorial changes on the infobox of the article. Feel free to participate. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chyah airstrike#Requested move 6 January 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Behind Enemy Lines (1986 film)#Requested move 19 January 2025

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Discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 23:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments

There are comments at Talk:Al-Faddayn that might be of interest to editors here. -- Otr500 (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments on Notes section

There are comments at Talk:Fourth Fitna, that may be of interest to editors, especially any on the Middle East, Medieval, or Early Muslim task forces. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 8th Military Police Brigade (United States)

8th Military Police Brigade (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Projekt TYTAN

The article Projekt TYTAN has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved almost 15 years. No reliable sources online Google. Not enough information to merge.

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Requested move at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 03:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC

Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. FOARP (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Supermarine Spitfire

Supermarine Spitfire has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision#Requested move 30 January 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Trebizond#Requested move 17 January 2025

An editor has requested that Trebizond be moved to Trebizond (disambiguation), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 05:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Edwin Donayre

Edwin Donayre has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Talk:KN-02 Toksa#Requested move 5 January 2025

An editor has requested that KN-02 Toksa be moved to Hwasong-11, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TCU9999 (talk) 11:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Article bounty: Badush prison massacre

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WikiProject Human rights is posting its first article bounty! Using article bounties, we aim to improve vital articles about human rights. Currently, there are 2 top-importance and 49 high-importance human rights articles that are rated as stubs. Among them is the article Badush prison massacre, which is the subject of this bounty. You are receiving this message because this WikiProject is listed on that article's page. Editors who improve this article may be eligible for various rewards, or "bounties".

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Requested move at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 22:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Talk:War on terror#No mention of ISIS leaders or Presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden

Adding commanders/leaders to infobox not supported by body of article per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for David Irving

David Irving has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Indonesian National Revolution

Indonesian National Revolution has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine § Close up photo of dead body

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine § Close up photo of dead body, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Jr8825 • Talk 20:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC).

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, 2025

Currently, this project has about ~673 76 articles in need of some reference clean-up. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of clean-up, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper clean-up). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

To do

1. Armenian–Azerbaijani war (1918–1920)
2. Battle of Shumshu
3. Battle of the Soyang River
4. Israeli war crimes in the Gaza war
5. Jassa Singh Ramgarhia
6. List of aces of aces
7. List of massacres in Serbia
8. Lushai Rising
9. Maki Mirage
10. Manchukuo
11. Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik False positive (Lilie 2000 link)
12. Mizo National Front uprising
13. Moyuru ōzora
14. Nabatieh Fawka attack
15. Nagorno-Karabakh conflict
16. Nair Brigade
17. Nakajima Homare
18. Nakazawa Koto
19. Nakba
20. Narmer
21. Ngāti Maru–Ngati Tūwharetoa War
22. Nikephoros II Phokas
23. Ninja
24. Noel Malcolm
25. Odjak of Algiers
26. Opsikion ? false +ive
27. Order of National Security Merit
28. Outline of George Washington
29. Pachacuti
30. Parakramabahu I
31. Passage of Humaitá
32. Pasto Campaign
33. Peking Field Force
34. People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan
35. Perseus (spy) False positive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
36. Poljanak and Vukovići massacres
37. Presidency of Charles de Gaulle
38. Presidency of James Madison
39. Prince Władysław's March on Moscow
40. Progonos Sgouros
41. Red Army invasion of Azerbaijan
42. Ridda Wars
43. Samad bey Mehmandarov
44. Sardarilal Mathradas Nanda
45. Siege of Caizhou
46. Siege of Coron (1685)
47. Siege of Osaka
48. Sierra Leone Civil War
49. Skanderbeg
50. Sohrab Khan Gorji (Iranian treasurer)
51. Soldaderas
52. Southern Tang campaign against Chu
53. Southern Tang conquest of Min
54. Spelling alphabet
55. Stratagem of Peshawar
56. Syrian Arab Armed Forces
57. São Paulo Revolt of 1924
58. Sébastien Le Prestre, Marquis of Vauban
59. Tachibana Dōsetsu
60. Takeda Shingen
61. Tambov Rebellion
62. Teragaki Izō
63. Terrorism in Lebanon
64. Tirailleurs indochinois
65. Tokugawa Ieyasu
66. Trần dynasty military tactics and organization
67. Trịnh Kiểm
68. Turkmen Ground Forces
69. Tōdō Takatora
70. Uesugi Kenshin
71. United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda
72. Uroš Tešanović
73. Veselin Misita
74. War crimes in the Gaza war
75. Wartime sexual violence

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 595 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 554 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 489 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 385 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 337 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 307 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 221 articles remain. Boo Boo (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 210 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 133 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 16:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 84 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 102 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Updated list, 76 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

FWIW my experience with these has been that they tend to be the following issues with the following solutions:

• Sfn was copypasted from somewhere else, has no original cite. Solution: replace with either a new reference or {{cn}} tags.
• Sfn has a typo in the name and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo.
• Sfn has an incorrect year and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo if it's an error, add a new reference or {{cn}} tags if the Sfn is to a work missing an original cite. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 05:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

In my experience, about 20-25% of the time, the short footnote is copied from another, related article, without the full citation being brought over. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Could you have a look at Margaret Thatcher? It is on the list but I cannot see anything amiss. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I can't find anything either. Maybe @Trappist the monk: can help here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

At this long-form reference (permalink), replace:

| author={{text|New Scientist}} |author-mask=[{{italics correction|''New Scientist''}}]

with:

|ref={{sfnref|''New Scientist''|1983}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Done. Strange that the error wasn't shown by the script. Then again, the anchor worked, so this was a false positive. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

For some reasons Perseus (spy) keeps being re-added or unstruck, despite not having any errors. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 00:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Trappist the monk took care of it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

@Headbomb:, how did you search the Harv and Sfn no-target errors category to find only military history articles? Gavbadger (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I used WP:AWB's List Comparer (Tools > List Comparer) to get the articles within Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors (List 1, Source:Category, 'Harv and Sfn no-target errors'), then those within Category:Military history articles by quality subcategories (List 2, Source:Category (recurse 1 level), 'Military history articles by quality'). Then once those lists were compiled, converted the second list to their non-talk version (right click on the list, then 'convert from talk pages'), and then used the 'compare' option to get the intersection of both list. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Infobox concern

Hi, I'm kinda new here in Wikipedia and I've been exploring a bit relating to World War II articles. But I have a little concern. The redirecting link which is Fascist Italy was used in infoboxes in World War II battles where Italy is involved in instead using the Kingdom of Italy which was the official Italian state despite under Fascist rule, which Fascist Italy was only used as a common term to describe the Kingdom of Italy under Fascist regime. While other infoboxes, like the Kingdom of Romania used this as a redirecting link instead of the Kingdom of Romania under Fascism during its period which you can see it's quite odd. Thank you for anyone who can respond this. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 21:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the talk page for Fascist Italy, it seems there were a few requested moves on whether it should be Kingdom of Italy under Fascism or not. You can see them linked in the banners at the top of the talk page and you can look at the arguments made for why it was kept. Of course you can create a new requested move yourself if you desire. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 21:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, but I'm talking about the usage of Fascist Italy instead of the Kingdom of Italy in the infobox (Template:Infobox military conflict) as a redirecting link in World War II battles where Italy is involved in. For example, the Greco-Italian War or the Battle of Gazala. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean now. I have no idea why there's that little bit of inconsistency. If you can't find any reasons why its like that, then WP:BEBOLD. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 20:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree, but I'm worried some editors might revert my edit, I already got reverted in my recent edits for the categories of battles involving Italy. Don't you think this needs be on the consensus first? The person who reverted me told me that this needs to be on consensus first before editing an litany of entire pages. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 10:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

US Army Code of Conduct

The Battle of Bamber Bridge article refers to the "US Army Code of Conduct", which is a redlink. However, this cannot be the Code of the United States Fighting Force, which came much later; could it be the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Or something else, like specific uniform regulations? — The Anome (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

I am no expert but as far as I can see the wearing of uniform by US forces in the Second World War was enforced under section 125 of the National Defense Act of 1920. This is referred to in the Army Regulations 600-40 booklet issued to troops periodically throughout the war to specify what should be worn and when (you can see a 1941 example here, page 13 includes the reference to enforcement under the NDA by fine or imprisonment). You can read the relevant part of the NDA including later amendments in this 1942 book - Dumelow (talk) 12:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

So there was a 1955 Code of Conduct --see this reference particularly page 21 (of the original, not the pdf) -- the doc quotes the text, and includes citations and explanatory commentary. AR 350-30 is the original. I'm not aware of whether there was a 1943-era version that predates this, but if I were to hear "US Army Code of Conduct" without other qualification, this is what I'd assume it's referring to. Not sure if that helps clarify anything as the 1955 CoC is mostly about POWs. Perhaps someone was confused about the "responsible for my actions" portion of the 1955 doc and retroactively tried to apply it to 1943? ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

And I should have probably checked before writing that, but what I'm referring to is what you posted above as the Code of the United States Fighting Force (not sure that's the correct common name -- every document I've ever seen calls it the Code of Conduct, hence the confusion).⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

See the text of the United States Articles of War at [[1]]. This was the predecessor of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and was applicable in 1943. None of the "punitive provisions" appear to cover being out of uniform in public during wartime but one or two of the more general provisions relating to conduct might apply. Mutiny is covered specifically. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Bugle suggestion?

Perhaps a new section on 'Selected anniversaries' in military history/historiography. My thinking, such as it is, is that history articles by their nature contain pertinent anniversaries, but there is limited space on the MP. OTD is the only section where anniversaries for in nicely, but of course our material can't be emphasised at the expense of non-MH dates. TFAs are often chosen on account of being anniversarial, but again we don't have a monopoly. Maybe a heading... Did you know that on this day... would look like poaching  :) but you get the drift. Each entry to have a blurb longer than DYK but shorter than FAC. With an image where possible. So for instance this month could have been something like:

Abridged example
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This month in history... Date Blurb Image in 47 BC, the Battle of the Nile was fought between the combined Roman–Egyptian armies of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII against those of Queen Arsinoe IV and King Ptolemy XIII, resulting in defeat for the latter and clearing the way for Cleopatra to ascend the Egyptian throne.+ enhanced blurb Map of the battle 1 February in 1411, the First Peace of Thorn was signed, ending the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War.+ enhanced blurb The 1411 treaty 1 February in 1662, after a nine-month siege, Fort Zeelandia was captured by Ming loyalists, bringing an end Dutch East India Company rule in Taiwan.+ enhanced blurb Surrender of Fort Zeelandia in Formosa by Johannes van Baden 6 February in 1694, warrior queen Dandara, leader of the runaway slaves in Quilombo dos Palmares, Brazil, is captured and commits suicide rather than be returned to a life of slavery.+ enhanced blurb [No image; should an image be mandatory?] 20 February in 1813, Manuel Belgrano defeats the royalist army of Pío de Tristán during the Battle of Salta .+ enhanced blurb Battle of Salta, 1947 painting by Rafael del Villar 6 February in 1862, Ulysses S. Grant and Andrew H. Foote give the Union its first victory of the war, capturing Fort Henry, Tennessee.+ enhanced blurb Bombardment and capture of Fort Henry, Tenn, 1860s lithograph by Currier and Ives 2 February in 1943, the Battle of Stalingrad ends after six months with the Red Army accepting the surrender of the last organized German troops in the city.+ enhanced blurb Friedrich Paulus (left), with his chief of staff, Arthur Schmidt (centre) and his aide, Wilhelm Adam (right), after their surrender, January 1943 20 February in 1950, during the Chinese Civil War, the Battle of Tianquan ends in a victory for the communist People's Republic of China against the forces of the Republic of China with minimal losses to the victors.+ enhanced blurb [No image; should an image be mandatory?]

Issues for consideration might be inclusion criteria—what chronological and geographical spread? Images—would be good but many old events don't have them available. Perhaps use related images such as people? Inclusion based on class—I'd rather not, because FA/GA already get their spot on the MP, but I also accept that there are a million articles for us to choose from. Hey ho. All the best, Serial (speculates here) 13:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I have a version of this set up already, so it would be easy to implement. See User:Hawkeye7 for an example. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: That sounds positive, although that section of your page does currently seem to be empty, unless I'm missing something? Serial (speculates here) 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Am all in favour of new Bugle content. Pinging Ian Rose and Nick-D as the true arbiters of change! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm in favour of this, but to be viable someone/some people need to contribute time each month to write the article ;) @Serial Number 54129 and Pickersgill-Cunliffe: can I please check whether are you volunteering to do this? Nick-D (talk) 09:26, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

@Nick-D: I think P-C and Hawkeye would make excellent Généraux des Anniversaires... "I'm just a grunt"  :) Serial (speculates here) 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I will do it. Here's an example. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

That looks great, thank you Nick-D (talk) 03:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 226, February 2025

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Georgios Papadopoulos sidebar?

I’ve mocked up in a sandbox what a sidebar dedicated to Greek military dictator Georgios Papadopoulos might look like. I considered posting this to WikiProject Greece, but decided Military history would be better. We have such for other dictators, both communist like Papadopoulos’ enemies (Stalin, Lenin, Zedong) and fascistic/nationalistic like Papadopoulos (Hitler and Goebbels too, Mussolini, Amin) as well as other Greek prime ministers so I thought he’d be a good sidebar to have. Is this the right idea? Is there a better place for this? Should this be brought up at all? Star Manatee (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

There's probably a larger discussion to be had around signatures, coats of arms, seals, etc. in these sorts of templates, but I'd encourage you to drop them per MOS:DECOR. To the larger question, I'm not so sure Papadopoulos needs a sidebar. None of those articles are specifically about him (e.g. something like Georgios Papadopoulos and the 1967 Greek coup d'état), and readers might be better served by just reading the table of contents. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 23:29, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

I actually went ahead and started that discussion over at Template talk:Sidebar person#Signatures and seals vs. MOS:DECOR. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 23:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

That’s true. I agree that it’s probably unnecessary, and, on having time to think about it, it’s probably redundant with the Greek junta navigation box - there are only one or two pages in the hypothetical sidebar not in the navbox. Star Manatee (talk) 08:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Squire

I recently made major changes to the Squire article. There had been complaints about the lack of sources going back years. I added sources and some new information, as well as removed some off topic information. I would appreciate it if someone could look over it. It needs work regarding how the information is organized and possible more information could be added from the sources I used. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you. DrGlef (talk) 11:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Lists of commanding officers in RAF squadron articles

Hello, many of the articles on RAF squadrons have long lists of individuals who have commanded the squadron, usually going all the way back to when they were formed often over 100 years ago. Many are only partial lists or unsourced and most names on the lists do not link to an article on the individual, as presumably they aren't notable enough to have one. Examples can be found at No. 1 Squadron RAF; No. 2 Squadron RAF; No. 16 Squadron RAF; and No. 31 Squadron RAF.

Having had a looked some of the project's featured articles on military units, some do include a list of commanders, but this is where units were fairly short-lived, so the number of commanders is reasonable and most of those listed are notable enough to have their own article. For example 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian); 15th Tank Corps; or 70th Infantry Division (United Kingdom). In contrast, the lists in the RAF squadron articles are getting longer and longer as squadron commanders are typically only in post for two years. I tend to think that such lists do not align with Wikipedia:NOTDIRECTORY and Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA, as much of the list content is only there as it has verifiable existence, rather than being encyclopedic.

Would welcome thoughts on removing such lists and perhaps as an alternative have a section on squadron members who achieved anything notable whilst at the squadron like at No. 23 Squadron RAF, or integrating notable individuals/events into the main body of article.

Thanks Thx811 (talk) 22:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree, at squadron level, ie with a wing commander (lieutenant colonel equivalent) as squadron commander, some will go on to meet the notability threshold, and others won't. Corps and divisional commanders who have commanded in combat are pretty likely to be notable in terms of coverage, peacetime-only ones not necessarily. I would convert those sections into "Notable commanders" and include only those who are notable, not every commander. For squadrons with an ongoing existence or that are re-raised the list of notable commanders will need to be monitored because some previously non-notable commanders will reach the point where they become notable. For example, Chris Nickols most likely was not notable in 1996 when he relinquished command of No. 2 Sqn RAF, but he certainly was by the time he became Chief of Defence Intelligence in 2009. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:57, 18 February 2025 (UTC)