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List of Michelin starred restaurants in Mexico has been promoted to Featured list status (kudos, User:Tbhotch!), so this is the best model we have for similar lists.

Here are some of the shorter lists that might be easier to promote to FL status:

--Another Believer (Talk) 17:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: I know you like to work on promoting Featured lists, if you're looking for any candidates. No worries if you're not interested! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm grateful that you thought of me @Another Believer. However, none of these lists particularly peak my interest. I do like the idea of doing sets of articles, but I'm Canadian. So, x in y state lists aren't something I feel drawn towards. I have so many other things I'd rather be working on / towards, but please do feel free to ping me with any other future ideas! I'm also always open to collabs :) Hey man im josh (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh Sounds good! We do have List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Toronto and List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Vancouver :p ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Tasks

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Here are some ideas for an open task list that we could put on the main page:

1. Agree on a format for the list/tables for Michelin list pages. Should the columns be Name || Cuisine || City/Neighborhood (neighborhood where applicable) || Year(s) in that order? Should cuisine precede city/neighborhood or vice versa? I like the idea of having cuisine included in the list but it's inconsistent among articles. A few lists include the head chef. I'm inclined to remove the head chef from the list page as that can change as the chef isn't always the owner and that information might be best suited for the individual article.
2. Based on the above decisions, update the list pages for consistency
3. Create lists for regions that do not presently have a page. We could start gathering the list of regions that are presently missing and work towards creating. Some regions (such as France) given their long history with Michelin will be difficult to create a complete list but we could start with the current ratings for 2023/2024 and then improve the list.
4. Nominate or improve the 3-star restaurant articles for Good Article status (then work towards Featured Article) particularly the restaurants with a long standing of 3 stars; The French Laundry, Per se (restaurant), Masa (restaurant), Le Bernardin, and Alinea (restaurant) are a few that come to mind.
5. Find images for existing articles.
6. Create {{WikiProject Food and Drink/Michelin Guide task force}} banner.
7. Apply WikiProject banner to relevant lists/articles talk pages.

Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One follow-up on list format, what are the thoughts on color coding the first year on the list (See NYC)? I find this redundant along with color coding to indicate rating (See Mexico). Thoughts?
Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, we focus on English Wikipedia, but at some point it'd be nice if we could do some translation work, too. Are there places where we can request to have Good articles at English Wikipedia translated into other languages? Perhaps there are quality articles at other language projects that should be translated into English? Just thinking out loud. Thanks for starting this brainstorm discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created the open task list which I'm sure will expand. Feel free to edit as you see fit to add/remove/complete. Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Expandinglight5 I think User:Tbhotch is working to add articles to Category:WikiProject Michelin Guide articles. What about a template inviting others to join the project? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a great idea. Is there an easy way to find the original creators of various Michelin articles and other significant contributors to Michelin-related articles to see if they would be interested? Expandinglight5 (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about an "easy" way -- I think we just have to go digging! I did already invite the creator of the recently AfC-accepted List of Michelin starred restaurants in Wales. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Seefooddiet is working on the South Korean list. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:32, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's true. I'm aiming to finish the currently starred restaurants, and may or may not get to the ones that aren't currently starred.
Btw I was wondering if I should be following any style things you guys are doing. See Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants in South Korea for my work so far. seefooddiet (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re: List order, I've been going Name || Location || Cuisine || Year(s) in the lists I've created/edited, but let me know what you folks prefer and can make edits to change those lists if we prefer cuisine before location. Dtmich24 (talk) 00:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of Michelin-starred restaurants in South Korea uses Name || Cuisine || Location || Year(s), but I'm happy to assimilate to your ordering if others agree. seefooddiet (talk) 08:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed there's no right or wrong but I was also doing Name || Cuisine || Location || Year(s). Expandinglight5 (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, let's go with Name || Cuisine || Location || Year(s) on the lists. I'll make adjustments where needed - feel free to do the same if you come by any lists in other orders. Dtmich24 (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please be sure to keep List of Michelin starred restaurants in Mexico in full compliance with our preferred standards and style guide, since this is our only Featured list to use as a template. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Importance

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I was asked at Template:WPFOOD if there would be an importance rating. I didn't add it because foodservice excludes it (and I personally hate them as they don't work in large projects). I assessed all the articles. There are 100 purged pages at the moment but the total number of pages is around 1000, and I'm missing 300 head chefs, which makes this task forcé a small one. Before I continue purging more pages, which I can do by adding an importance scale, shall this project have importance rankings?

I thought that a good criteria would be:

  • Top: Michelin Guide, related people (founders, critics, editors) and "List of" pages.
  • High: Any current or historical three-star restaurants and chefs
  • Mid: Any current or historical two-star restaurants and chefs
  • Low: Any current or historical one-star restaurants and chefs
  • NA: the usual non-articles.

Any thoughts? (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a good idea but given the project just began and we have a very small task force at the moment, I wonder if it's practical. Expandinglight5 (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tbhotch I think this plan makes sense, and would recommend you go ahead with it. Even if the task force is small, this sorting can be done over time. seefooddiet (talk) 08:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd need some sort of consensus to request a change to that page. (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you make the post there I can back you up. seefooddiet (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it requires a more solid consensus than three opinions. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of "Michelin starred" restaurants

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English is not my native language but,shouldn't these pages and categories be titled List of Michelin-starred restaurants? Like List of Michelin-starred restaurants in New York City? (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I, too, have noticed the inconsistency of "Michelin starred" vs. "Michelin-starred" vs. "Michelin Guide starred" vs. "Michelin Guide-starred" throughout the project. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would propose Michelin starred instead of Michelin Guide starred as I've never heard them described as Michelin Guide starred either in speech or in writing. As for the hyphenation, I believe Michelin-starred is correct as it is a compound adjective of restaurant.
Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 prefer we work to use "Michelin-starred" consistently ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you want American English for a French guide? The Banner talk 10:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
? Is "Michelin-starred" not valid in British English? Seems like it is valid per [1] seefooddiet (talk) 02:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

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Resolved

Anyone able to easily move Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants and subcategories appropriately, or, do we need to start a move discussion? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are handled at speedy. I'll do it in a while. (CC) Tbhotch™ 00:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The categories are now tagged and they will be moved within the next 72 hours. (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! We can mark this section as resolved once the categories are moved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw a lot of corrections on this category. Does anyone know if the speedy job is complete? Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's missing a few. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the categories have all been moved. Shall we consider this issue resolved? ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've uncollapsed the entire category tree and I think we're set here. Marking as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lists

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Resolved

Anyone able to easily move Lists of Michelin starred restaurants and all of the entry lists, for consistency, or do we need to start some sort of move request? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Expandinglight5: Would you say the lists are currently consistent and appropriately named? If so, I'll mark this section as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I believe they are all corrected and consistent. Expandinglight5 (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, thanks for your help here! ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

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I've submitted a request for a barnstar for this task force :)

---Another Believer (Talk) 22:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing! I thought I came across a page once that was specifically for requesting new barnstars, but I can't find one now. We'll see if anyone bites! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bib Gourmand list

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In the draft space: Draft:List of Michelin Bib Gourmand Restaurants in Canada

Curious, should we create similar lists for other countries?

---Another Believer (Talk) 15:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on the fence. My concern about Bib Gourmand lists is although some Bib Gourmand-rated restaurants may be notable, most are not and the question it would raise is "are we turning Wikipedia into Yelp?" FYI, the United States has nearly 400 restaurants with a Bib Gourmand rating. In addition, does that leave the door open to adding other ratings such as the Plate or Green Star rating? My opinion can be swayed and if others feel strongly about including them I think it's fine. If we do move forward with Bib Gourmand, can we create a Bib Gourmand symbol similar as to what's available for a Michelin star rather than having a green check mark?
Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I was a little iffy on whether it meets the criteria for a page, which is why i've kept it in draft space and haven't submitted it for review. I agree about integrating the 'Bib Gourmand' symbol into Wikipedia like for the stars - wasn't sure how to do that so I had the green check-mark as a placeholder. Dtmich24 (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Expandinglight5@Dtmich24 Is File:Michelin Bib Gourmand.png helpful? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Throw it into the draft space and let's see how it looks.
As for the decision on the Bib Gourmand lists, maybe we park it for a while until the task force has more members that can weigh in? Expandinglight5 (talk) 01:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I just went in and integrated the Bib symbol on the draft page lists.Dtmich24 (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that logo copyrighted? (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section in parent article

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Related Bib Gourmand currently redirects to Michelin_Guide#Bib_Gourmand, which has three sentences based on two Michelin-published sources. We should add to our task list expanding this section, based on non-Michelin sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FL Nomination of List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Las Vegas

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I've worked a bit on this page and I think it's suitable to be nominated for a Featured List. Let me know what you think. Expandinglight5 (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend a key and some additional reference formatting, per List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Mexico. You might take a look at this list in more detail, as well as the feedback received during the FL review, just so you know what to expect! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I agree the references need some work. I'm not familiar with the bot tools but are you familiar with one that can review and correct the reference formatting?
Perhaps some other images could be added?
I saw the key and it seems overly redundant to have a key stating that a column with one star means it was awarded one star...and if it's shaded in a certain color, it was awarded one star. What do you think? Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone back and reviewed this and I think the key does add value though I think the colors are redundant. I've added the key excluding the color coding. Expandinglight5 (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The color coding might be for accessibility purposes. Perhaps Tbhotch knows. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the colors were added for accessibility purposes as screen readers won't read the stars or read the file as "Michelin star" once, twice or thrice. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for explaining. I'll work on revising. Expandinglight5 (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any strong opinion as to whether the key should go above or below the list? I'm seeing some inconsistencies. Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought below looked cleaner, but I'm fine with it being above if that's the preference or if that's more suitable for accessibility purposes! Dtmich24 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right. Anybody else? Expandinglight5 (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would think a key would be presented first, for accessibility purposes, but I'm not sure and will yield to consensus. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should the key only show relevant ratings? If the list only contains 1-star ratings, should the key only show 1 star and hide the other two? Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help identifying missing lists

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We need to create a list of missing lists needing to be created! We might start by reconciling Michelin_Guide#Guides ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a heads up I've started drafts on the Nordic countries next. I'll chip away at it over the coming days/weeks. Dtmich24 (talk) 02:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
👍 Like --Another Believer (Talk) 02:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drafts

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For tracking purposes:

Feel free to add to this list, or strike once taken live! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just submitted those 5 for review to go live - I have three years of data for each list (2022-2024) Dtmich24 (talk) 19:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dtmich24: All have been moved into the main space! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Dtmich24 (talk) 01:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Was considering starting a merge request to have these all listed at List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Nordic countries, as that's how these are classified by Michelin. Thoughts? Utopes (talk / cont) 01:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm good with that if others are as well. We could format it similarly to List of Michelin-starred restaurants in England so that each country is a sub-category on one page. Dtmich24 (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of the pages matching the publications but I think it's fine to leave separate articles. It's probably worth noting on the articles in the manner they are published by Michelin. Expandinglight5 (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the standalone lists are fine. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll move the above to the task list and then we can archive the above Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Green stars

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Green Star

I made a post here: Template talk:Michelin stars. Currently the template doesn't support Michelin Green Stars. I believe it could/should seefooddiet (talk) 00:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, it would be good to denote green stars. Maybe we add the Bib Gourmand image into the template as well? Versus using the separate image we discussed in the Bib Gourmand thread on this page. Dtmich24 (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Potentially, although Bib Gourmand maybe merits a separate template because it's not a "star"? Not sure if it's an important distinction. I'd support either adding to this template or creating a new one. seefooddiet (talk) 01:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added the green star, refer to Conchas de Piedra as an example. Regarding the Bib Gourmand image, it is a potential copyright violation. (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch on Bib Gourmand, didn't think of that. seefooddiet (talk) 20:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And on the topic of Green Stars as well, now that we have the template what are folks' thoughts on including that in the various 'List of Michelin-starred...' geographic lists? Makes sense to include the green star where applicable in the chart rows? In a separate table on the page? Or not at all? Dtmich24 (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A Green Star is not what is meant when referring to a "Michelin-starred" restaurant. If doing a Michelin-rated or Michelin-reviewed list then I suppose all of the ratings would apply. Expandinglight5 (talk) 02:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Related question, is it possible to receive a green star but not a regular Michelin star? seefooddiet (talk) 02:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Some restaurants only have a green star some only have a Michelin star and others have both.
Expandinglight5 (talk) 02:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Then maybe if an article was "List of Michelin-rated" it could include bib gourmand and green stars as well. seefooddiet (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but I would question WP:Noteability and possibly confusing. Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Style Guide

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Michelin Guide task force/Style Guide

I started the Style Guide for list pages. I created the first version of the style guide for list pages but have yet to create a format for Restaurant articles or Chef articles. I think this is a good starting point but I'm sure many users can add and improve to the guideline. Please feel free to add/change/revise as necessary or post any discussion items here on the Talk page. Expandinglight5 (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Expandinglight5 Thanks for starting a new page. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dinner by Heston Blumenthal

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See also: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Dinner by Heston Blumenthal/1

The article alert page is not working properly but Dinner by Heston Blumenthal is at GAR. (CC) Tbhotch™ 08:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bummer, but the article was promoted 12 years ago and definitely needs some work. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tbhotch Thanks for improving the entry! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming Michelin Guides

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Just for tracking purposes, here are upcoming Michelin Guides which I am aware of. If anyone sees any others, feel free to add to this list:

Dtmich24 (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Drag Race, there are two sections at the top of the talk page that do not get archived because they are used as helpful checklists by project members for ongoing tasks. This calendar strikes me as something we might want to 'lock down' at the top of the page, and continue to update over time. What do others think? Not required, just an idea. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good idea. Given the number of markets Michelin is in which is expected to increase, I suppose a calendar could become cumbersome. Perhaps specific dates over the next 30 days and the remaining items by quarter of expected updates? Maybe we could review a draft and see how it looks before adding? Expandinglight5 (talk) 21:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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Just a 'thank you!' to all who have supported this project so far. It is so nice to see new lists and restaurant articles being created, more consistency among pages, and collaboration across the board.

Thanks again and keep up the great work! Happy editing, --Another Believer (Talk) 19:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this was a great idea. Thank you for creating the project. I don't know how this compares to other Wikiprojects but it feels like a lot of progress has been made in a short period of time especially since there are only a few members to date. Expandinglight5 (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Heads up!, List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Mexico will be featured on the Main Page:

Congrats to Tbhotch! Hopefully the first of many Michelin-related Main Page appearances. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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