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Add Allen Klein

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An extremely controversial manager. Associated with Sam Cooke  5, The Beatles  3, and The Rolling Stones  4.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 23:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. "one of the most powerful individuals in the music industry during his era" Makkool (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. 49p (talk) 02:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Leopoldo Galtieri for Javier Milei

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Not swapped 1-1. No new votes in 138 days. Makkool (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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There's little of note in Galtieri's biography besides the Falklands War, which is already a vital article, so there would be overlap. Milei, the current president of Argentina, got international notice as part of the recent international trend of right-wing leaders. Cambalachero (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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  1. As nominator Cambalachero (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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  1. We now subject world leaders to the "head of lettuce" test. Revisit this fall when he has served a year. pbp 17:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Anton Pannekoek

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Managed to be a major figure both in astronomy and Marxist theory, I think he could go in either section in terms of position,

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 21:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. --Thi (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support addition to astronomy section. Going by Google Scholar results, out of 11,200 total results, he is referenced in relation to astronomy 7,740 times, while he is referenced in relation to Marxism 1,270 times. His influence on astronomy is a lot greater than his influence on Marxism, what with his ideas on council communism being a lot more niche compared to other tendencies. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Talha ibn 'Ubayd Allah and Sa'id ibn Zayd

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To make up for my recent requests, let me advocate for the addition of these guys. There are the only people who were a part of the ten to whom Paradise was promised who are not on here. In comparison (which is admittedly imperfect since the whole ten list is strictly a Sunni thing), we have all twelve Apostles on here, plus Matthais.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Casualties of the September 11 attacks

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Or just move it to history. I hate to remove an article based on how it fits into this project, but this one just sticks out like a sore thumb being on the people pages. Even the articles based on a group of people don't really resemble what is essentially a statistic page.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Seems way too specific. 49p (talk) 06:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Budai

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AKA The Laughing Buddha. Favorite subject for East Asian artists and the reason why a lot of Westerners picture the founder of Buddhism as a fat Chinese man. (Nominating him here since the general consensus appears to be that he was originally an actual Chinese monk who later got deified.)

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 08:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Nehru–Gandhi family and/or remove Kennedy family

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The former is clearly more vital than the latter, IMO. A removal may be in order given how both are just glorified lists at the minute, but I reckon more could be written of them. J947 ‡ edits 04:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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Support addition; oppose removal
  1. Tentatively, as nom. J947 ‡ edits 04:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 12:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Murderer clean-up

Before subsection quotas were abolished there was a supported proposal to reduce the number of spaces under "Murder, serial killing, mass murder" in favour of those responsible for more societally impactful crimes (such as assassination, crimes against humanity and terrorism). While this was rendered moot by the removal of quotas, I still think the murder section needs to be cleaned up as it has quite a big US bias and also many of the spree killers also have the sprees they were responsible for listed under history, which makes a better case for cleaning up spaces here.

Remove Gameel Al-Batouti

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Aside from anything else, it doesn't even seem clear, nor is there any way to conclusively determine, whether he deliberately caused deaths or not. I suppose EgyptAir Flight 990 could be listed but I'm not sure how much it stands out compared to other plane crashes.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Martin Bryant

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Port Arthur massacre (Australia)  5 is already listed.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Seung-Hui Cho for Virginia Tech shooting

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Based on the principle of the vent itself being more important than the person who is solely notable because of it.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Belle Gunness

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Not among the most well-known serial killers. The article does say that "some sources speculate her involvement in as many as 40 murders making her one of the most prolific female serial killers in history", but that is well, speculative.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Richard Hauptmann

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Lindbergh kidnapping  5 is already listed, and he is not known to have been responsible for any other murders.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Richard Hickock and Perry Edward Smith

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These two are seemingly only listed for their involvement in a murder case which inspired the writing of In Cold Blood  5, which was influential on the True crime  5 genre. The book is already listed and their actual crime doesn't seem to stand out on a broader level.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Andrew Kehoe for Bath School disaster

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Same rationale as Seung-Hui Cho.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Marc Lépine

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École Polytechnique massacre  5 is already listed.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Earle Nelson

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"considered the first known serial sex murderer of the twentieth century". Other than that doesn't really seem to stand out compared to other serial killers.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Stephen Paddock

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2017 Las Vegas shooting is already listed.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Jane Toppan

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Doesn't stand out compared to other serial killers.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Pedro López (serial killer)

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One of the most prolific serial killers in history, and is second only to Luis Garavito  5 on List of serial killers by number of victims.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Howard Unruh

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Initially didn't propose this as I was under the impression it was relatively well-remembered, but the low number of interwikis and pageviews compared to many of the others here indicates otherwise.

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  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 22:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Not that important Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove AXXo

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Unknown individual known for movie rips. Extremely popular during the era, but I feel like there are other groups and people known for piracy that aren't included. We don't include Razor 1911 which has been software cracking since 1985 compared to aXXo whose career is from 2005 to 2009.

Support
  1. per nom. I would support a swap for Razor 1911 if that gets enough votes. 49p (talk) 05:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 08:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. pbp 13:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Islam Makhachev

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Good fighter but way too early to tell if he will be vital. He is only 32. Nothing on his article suggests any lasting vitality. He is overshadowed in almost every way by his trainer Khabib Nurmagomedov  5. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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  1. as nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Recentism. starship.paint (RUN) 01:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Too many MMA personalities pbp 07:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. In my opinion, he will become vital in a couple years. Just not now. 49p (talk) 07:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
    I agree. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Anonymous (hacker group)  5

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Popular for their cyberattacks and prescene in the 2010s. Quite literally listed as "100 most influential people" per Time magazine in 2012 according to the article. I don't think this one needs much explaining, considering we also include LulzSec  5.

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  1. 49p (talk) 06:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Important enough, if needed we could swap with Lulzsec. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Plenty of real-world influence.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 08:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Iostn (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  7. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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I WILL say this, though: making the TIME 100 just once isn't a good criteria for inclusion. We don't even have all the TIME People of the Year. pbp 13:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I made this late at night haha. I was trying to say that the group itself has undoubtedly enough influence in the real world. not just because it's specifically in "time 100" 49p (talk) 14:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
We likely will never have the 2006 Time Person of the Year :) Aurangzebra (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Caroline Lee Hentz

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Only claim to vitality is writing a somewhat famous anti-Tom novel. She did not start the short-lived anti-Tom movement and Anti-Tom literature is not listed as vital. Only 6 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Lars Hall

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Stub (as in three sentences) on here and on Swedish Wikipedia.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Not every Olympic gold medalist is vital. Ping me if anything more substantial is found. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Philip Farkas

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Only five interwikis and no RYM page.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Matt Mattox

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Stub. Only has seven interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Hard to convince myself he is more notable than Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, which isn't a VA. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Johann Christian Fischer

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Do we really need an oboe player?

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I think we do to be honest, and he's not crazy obscure. J947 ‡ edits 05:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Sai Baba of Shirdi

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This is the guy who Sathya Sai Baba  5 claims to be a reincarnation of. Seems like he was a very popular religious figure in India for both Hindus and Muslims (although note that it's not clear what religion he actually belonged to), his article is B-tier, he got 35 interwikis, and he's rated high-importance in a lot of WikiProjects.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Josef Gusikov

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A while back, I moved the klezmer musicians from the non-European art music section to the popular music section. (I don't know why that genre got placed there either; I have never heard anyone refer klezmer as a form of art music.) This has resulted in Gusikov here being the only person listed under popular musicians to predate recorded music. By a couple of decades actually. Since he only has nine interwikis, I suggest we just remove him.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Leonid Brekhovskikh

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Just five paragraphs (of which only three are actually paragraph-length) and four interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Not even 100 pageviews in the past month Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Tao Lin

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We still have way too many authors from the U.S. and Canada, and this guy does not seem to have had any amount of influence.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Harry Glicken

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Hate to remove a featured article, but he only has six interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. No indication of vitality. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. His mentor David A. Johnston  5 was much more vital than him. Makkool (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Bruce C. Heezen

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Stub. He did worked with Marie Tharp  4 and he does have a ship named after him, but I'm not sure if his article can be improved.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Low pageviews Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Nicolas Appert

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Known as the father of food science. Invented airtight food preservation, has 84 interwikis, and is the only person rated top-importance in the Food Wikiproject.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Solomon Linda

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To make up for the drastic cuts I was proposing for the African music section, here's the original singer/writer for The Lion Sleeps Tonight  5.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Yoshiko Yamaguchi

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She's the only Seven Great Singing Stars we don't have on here. I understand the unusual conditions regarding her, but she has the second highest amount of interwikis amongst the seven.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Tunka Manin

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I hate to say this, but I think the Ghana Empire  4 is just going to have to be one of those countries where we don't list any of its leaders. Only three paragraphs and three interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 05:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove John Luther Long

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Wrote one decently popular short story that inspired a few other works. I could maybe see including the story, although even that would be a stretch, but this guy has no reason to be on the list, especially when we have this many modern American/Canadian authors. Only 8 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 05:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove KondZilla

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I do want someone to represent funk carioca, and he does look like he has a pretty big YouTube career, but he only has four interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 05:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support swap with Brazilian funk. The Blue Rider 10:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Not really convinced by judging this solely on interwikis, especially for someone from a Global South country which don't normally get the same level of cultural attention internationally. That aside, having the third largest music YouTube channel shouldn't be dismissed. Iostn (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Anangabhima Deva III and Suhungmung

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Both figures have only three interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 05:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Gyalsey Tenzin Rabgye

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Stub. We also have Ngawang Namgyal  5 on here, who is probably the only Bhutanese figure we need for this period.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Low page views, and ruler of a country that to this day has a population of under a million Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove The Great Lester

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Stub. Only has three interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 02:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Dua Lipa

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For basically the exact same reasons as why I proposed Billie Eilish for removal from this list. Beyond some listings from blogs, a few awards, wax statues and an increase in rates of babies named after her (how the hell are these considered "legacy" / "impact"??), she's had no proven long term impact on the music industry yet and her career only spans a decade. This listing is blatant WP:RECENTISM in a section currently over quota. Same as with Billie, if this impact changes in the future, we can always revisit.

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  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 01:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom 49p (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Elliot Page

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Although Page has not won an Academy Award/BAFTA like some other actors listed, Page is unarguably one of the most notable transgender actors and beats plenty of other listed actors in terms of notability.

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  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 04:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Regardless of how much work he has done since coming out, I think that just adds another dimension to someone who was already influential beforehand, regardless of wherever they were selected for an award or not. Iostn (talk) 17:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I am tentatively here because I feel that he hasn't done a huge amount since publicly coming out in 2020. Most of his success was when he was not yet publicly transgender. starship.paint (RUN) 14:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per starship.paint. I can see him becoming VA5 at some point but not just yet. Aurangzebra (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Gosamaru

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Barely a start article. Only three interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Stephen Rodefer

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One interwiki.

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  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 17:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 18:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. No indication of vitality. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 11:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Ned Brooks

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Only listed as the second-longest tenured moderator of Meet the Press. That claim is unsourced, the longest tenured presenter is also only VA5, and this man does not seem to have had an influence on anything.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Roger Williams (soldier)

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Only one interwiki.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Does not seem important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Noël Jourda de Vaux

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Only four interwikis.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add IShowSpeed

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Undoubtedly the most popular 2020s internet live streamer. Has a whopping 82 interwikis, even more than other significant YouTube/internet personalities like MrBeast  5 and PewDiePie  5.

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  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 19:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. A bit recent, but he is the most famous and prominent streamer of this decade so far. We can remove him later if he's overtaken or fades into obscurity, but at present he's an obvious addition IMO and would be one of the best picks for expanding the internet personalities section. λ NegativeMP1 19:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Who? This decade has 4 years, so not that impressive of a feat if that statement is even true. The Blue Rider 21:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    We list other internet personalities like Jeffree Star, who are objectively far less notable. Just because you personally don't know this person doesn't make them any less notable. B3251(talk) 22:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    Two wrongs don't make a right, Jeffree Star should be removed. This YouTuber is a fad; plus being popular alone isn't a strong enough reason for inclusion, it needs to have some sort of impact. Also, that sentence can very well be reversed, just because you know him doesn't make him any more vital; if you go ask the average person who this YouTuber is they will look at you clueless. The Blue Rider 22:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose. I do know Speed and I am aware of his popularity but he has not done anything to demonstrate his longevity just yet nor has he been particularly influential to mainstream culture. I don't agree with the sentiment that we should add him now and remove him if he fades into obscurity because streamer longevity is notoriously hard to achieve. Take Adin Ross for example: at his peak, he was extremely popular and was regularly doing streams with big name celebrities; now, he barely makes a blip on the radar. We also don't follow this pattern in other categories where it would make a lot more sense e.g. we don't automatically add the soccer player who wins the Ballon d'Or even though they have more cultural and global influence and cross-generational appeal than streamers do. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    If we must include more Internet personalities, I would rather have Kai Cenat who is the most-subscribed Twitch streamer of all time, won the 2023 and 2024 Streamer of the Year awards, and popularized the terms rizz and gyat whose use has spread outside of the streamer-sphere. Fwiw, I would also support removing Jeffree Star. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    I would also support adding Kai Cenat. Not many streamers have accidentally started a riot. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add System of a Down

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Surprised they aren't listed, probably one of the most well known and influential metal bands of the 2000s. Their album Toxicity was a major hit, especially the lead single "Chop Suey". They've also had numerous other popular songs across their other albums. Certainly they are a lot bigger and more well known than some of the other acts listed at this level. Maykii (talk) 02:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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  1. as nom. Maykii (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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  1. pbp 03:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. You need a more convincing rationale to demonstrate how these guys are V5 worthy, a level that should only have the few hundred most important musicians and bands. Them being "a lot bigger and more well known than some of the other acts listed at this level" really doesn't mean anything when a lot of those acts are probably subject to removal themselves. I don't even see how these guys are more important than the recently removed Bring Me The Horizon. λ NegativeMP1 04:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per NegativeMP1. There are too many popular musicians and we can only really list the really elite ones. starship.paint (RUN) 09:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Rage Against the Machine is a better pick imo. I don't think that many people would agree tho 49p (talk) 15:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Andrew Neiderman

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We have too many recent American authors, and this article does not show any evidence of vitality other than a couple minor film adaptations. Only two of his books even have articles, and neither of those articles have any interwikis.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 13:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 14:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Giannalberto Bendazzi

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I looked through the "art historians and critics" section and there are currently listed six film historians or theorists. Of them, three are animation historians. If you'd also think that's excessive, we could cut at least one of them. Bendazzi's recognition seems to come from one book Cartoons − 100 Years of Cinema Animation, which "has been considered the definitive work on the subject for animation students and scholars." Jerry Beck  5 and John Canemaker  5 seem to have had a much more broad output and could be considered more vital than Bendazzi.

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  1. Makkool (talk) 13:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Seems also less vital than the not-listed Michael Barrier. I've heard of Barrier, Beck and Canemaker but not of Bendazzi (who also has the fewest pageviews, at ~3 a day).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 09:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Bill Monroe (journalist)

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Above, I nominated Ned Brooks because all he had going for him was being moderator of Meet the Press for a long time. This guy had an even shorter tenure and similarly has no other reason to be on the list. Only 5 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 11:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Jeff Kinney

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I know there's been a push to remove American authors but he is the author of the 4th best-selling book series of all time, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, and we list the other 4 authors in the top 5 (J. K. Rowling  5, R. L. Stine  5, Erle Stanley Gardner  5, and Stan and Jan Berenstain  5). Diary of a Wimpy Kid has spawned a media empire complete with live-action and animated films, video games, and even a musical and the books have been republished in 56 languages across 65 different editions. He has 41 interwikis and the Diary of a Wimpy Kid series has 37.

If we do need to remove someone, I've noticed that we list a decent amount of authors who are also famous for some book series that spawned a large empire but to a lesser extent than Diary of a Wimpy Kid. For example, we list Jeff Lindsay  5 who is famous for the Dexter book series that was developed into the much more famous TV show of the same name. Seems like Kinney beats this guy on every metric: more interwikis (41 vs 28), more notability for the authored book series (I bet you that most people don't even know Dexter (TV series) originated from a book series), and more book copies sold. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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  1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom 49p (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. support per nom., but should we list him with illustrators or writers? Maurice Sendak  5 is currently with writers, but I'm thinking they could be either way considered to be vital for illustrating or writing. Makkool (talk) 14:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
    Good point. I personally have no strong preference but I slightly lean authors since Diary of a Wimpy Kid is a bit more verbose than straightforward illustrated books like Where the Wild Things Are. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
    Yeah, I think they are categorized as chapter books in book stores and libraries. I'll go ahead and move Sendak to illustrators. Wilhelm Busch  5 is already there, and he's another author whose works have greater emphasis on pictures. Makkool (talk) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Would rather list the book series. J947 ‡ edits 07:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Same.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Jeffree Star

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Removal was suggested above.

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Obscure figure with almost zero impact on society. The Blue Rider 13:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Freddy Schuman

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Seems like a cool guy, but that doesn't make him vital, zero interwikis. I don't think being a "superfan" of something would ever be enough on its own to warrant being here.

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 03:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 13:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Not vital Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Harold Russell

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He's a hero, he's in one famous movie, he's NOT VA5 pbp 01:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. pbp 01:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 09:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Not that vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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French women additions

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At the 2024 Summer Olympics opening ceremony, ten women were honoured as vital figures in French history. Of these, five are already listed as level-5 vital articles, the other five are not. As such, I thought I'd take the opportunity to propose the addition of the five missing entries to our list of vital biographies. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Jeanne Baret

The first woman in history to circumnavigate the globe, Baret worked on the ship of Louis Antoine de Bougainville  5, who described her as an expert botanist for her time. Several plant species and a mountain range on Pluto are named after her. Proposing for addition to explorers list.

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Alice Milliat

A pioneering figure of Women's sports  4, Milliat was the main organiser of the Women's World Games and her lobbying efforts accelerated the inclusion of women at the Olympic Games  3. Proposing for addition to the Olympics section of the sports figures list.

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Paulette Nardal

One of the founding authors of the Négritude literary genre, Nardal provided a platform for black intellectuals to publish their works and cultivate global solidarity among the African diaspora. She was also a major figure in transnational feminism and held several high-ranking positions in the United Nations. Proposing for addition to the Caribbean section of the writers and journalists list.

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Gisèle Halimi

A lawyer that defended people involved in the Algerian and Basque independence movements, and chair of the Russell Tribunal, Halimi was a leading advocate for women's rights to contraception and abortion in France. Proposing for addition to the Modern European jurists section of the philosophers, historians, political and social scientists list.

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Simone Veil

A magistrate by trade, as Minister of Health, Veil promulgated the legalisation of abortion in France. She was also the first woman to serve as the President of the European Parliament and later served as president of the Fondation pour la Mémoire de la Shoah, was elected to the Académie Française and served on the Constitutional Council of France. She received an OBE and received the highest cross of the Legion of Honour. Proposing for addition to the contemporary France section of the politicians and leaders list.

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Wallace Fard Muhammad

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Again, making up for my recent proposals. Considering that the Nation of Islam has its own separate subsection for their figures, we should probably have its founder.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Seems pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Definitely important as Louis Farrakhan, or Elijah Muhammad. 49p (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Film scholar additions

There is under-representation in art historians of scholars and historians focusing on film. I feel these could be essential names to list, to have more balance between different art forms in that section.

  1. It is worth noting that it may seem like film scholars are under-represented simply because film theory as an independent field is a relatively novel concept but there are many prominent film scholars we list whose primary contributions are in other domains e.g. François Truffaut  4 who was foremost a director and Gilles Deleuze  5 who was primarily a philosopher. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  1. Yeah, that's correct. We also already list Sergei Eisenstein  4 and André Bazin  5 who are prominent, and the latter is represented in the art historians and critics section. I think with the space we have, we can list some more. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Add David Bordwell

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Not enough interest, no votes in over 90 days. Makkool (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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His book Film Art "is still used as a seminal text in introductory film courses". 14 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Neutral
  1. Going to reserve judgment on this one but it's worth noting that we don't include seminal textbook authors in other more noteworthy fields. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    His article also mentions that he has written "influential articles on theory, narrative, and style". He seems to be an important figure in academic film studies, at least in North America. Don't know if his scholarship is read in Europe for example. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Laura Mulvey  5

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Pioneering feminist film analyst. "Helped shift the orientation of film theory towards a psychoanalytic framework" and introduced the concept of "male gaze".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. makes sense Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Vito Russo

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Not enough interest, no new votes in 90 days. Makkool (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Queer film theorist and author of The Celluloid Closet, "'an essential reference book' on homosexuality in the US film industry".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Manthia Diawara

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Not enough interest, no votes in over 90 days. Makkool (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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African film scholar who "contributed significantly to the study of black film".

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Starhawk

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Not enough interest, no new votes in two months. Makkool (talk) 06:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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An influential proponent on Neo-paganism in the public eye. List under Religious figures.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Meralda Warren  5 with Margaret Mahy

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Not swapped 1-1, adding Mahy 2-0. No new votes in three months. I might start a new proposition just for adding Mahy. Closing this for now. Makkool (talk) 06:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Meralda Warren is a local writer from a tiny British Overseas Territory. Her Wikipedia biography tells more about other things she has done than her writing career. On the other hand, Margaret Mahy was an acclaimed children's author from New Zealand with major-award-winning books. Currently we don't list any children's authors from NZ.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support addition per nom. She has won several major awards and written over 100 books. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal Her having more importance than just being an author is a point towards keeping, not a reason to remove. Her article does a pretty good job of showing importance, and there are plenty of authors from the U.S. and UK who have nothing going for them besides writing a few somewhat popular books that we can remove first to meet the quota. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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US actors removals

These were suggested above in the Casey Affleck / Jared Leto proposal, which just passed. I'll open them up for discussion, where we could also test the criteria to include an actor in V5. Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Remove Rami Malek

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Could he be too recent new actor where it's not clear if his career will be vital? He's an Academy Award winner though.

Support
  1. I think there should be more than one Academy Award to be automatically vital. Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Forest Whitaker

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An esteemed character actor, whose also an Academy Award winner. Although most of his acclaim is from a role in one specific film, The Last King of Scotland.

Support
  1. I think there should be more than one Academy Award to be automatically vital. Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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  1. He's a prominent black actor. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Zac Efron

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Star of a hit franchise, High School Musical, and now has a career doing character roles. No major awards.

Support
  1. No basis for vitality Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Is High School Musical even vital? SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. pbp 02:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Chris Cooper

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Another esteemed character actor, who's an Academy Award winner.

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  1. I think there should be more than one Academy Award to be automatically vital. Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. As the person who first brought this up Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove James Franco

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Golden Globe winner, but his career seems to have petered out because of sexual misconduct allegations.

Support
  1. Only an Academy Award nomination. Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 02:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Seth Rogen  5

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Golden Globe nominations. Has starred in popular comedies, but it might be too early to say anything about his legacy in film comedy.

Support
  1. Support for now Makkool (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. He is way too big to be removed. SailorGardevoir (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Woo Bum-kon incident  5

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Not removed 2-0. I'll move it instead to History as the article is framed as an event now. Makkool (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Article was moved from Woo Bum-kon and rescoped to be event-based and not a biography. It is now no longer fit for its section which is of criminal biographies. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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  1. This just brings up the question: does it really make much difference how the article is framed, if its still focused solely through the lens of its perpertrator (and I'm not sure if that page should've been even moved to start with, if reliable sources are just naming the events strictly through that lens anyway)? For example, if we list a murder case of someone who is only known for being the victim of that particularly murder case, should that be under the victims section? Iostn (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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