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Inclusions when copy & pasting

If I copy and paste article content, including superscript numerals for citations, those superscript numerals are not present when I paste the text into another app.

However if the copied text contains a template, like {{citation needed}}, then the text [citation needed]is included in what is copied.

Why don't we style content so that that the latter kind of text is also not included? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing I'm not sure what combination of browser/OS/text editor you're using, but when I copy and paste out of Chrome, Edge, or Firefox into Notepad on Windows the superscript numerals are present. We could make references unselectable by adding user-select: none; to the references class, but it doesn't appear that we're currently doing that. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
I used Firefox on Android in the case described, coying from mobile. Using Firefox on Windows 11, I too get the superscript numerals included. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing If you want it to work on desktop, you can add the following to your Special:MyPage/common.css:
.mw-parser-output .noprint, .mw-parser-output .reference { user-select: none; }
The .reference covers references, the .noprint covers anything else, such as citation needed tags, that's flagged as non-printable. You could change the latter to .Inline-Template if you want to limit it only to inline templates such as {{citation needed}}. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. It's not that it's what I want, I wonder why we're not doing that for everybody, by default. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
When you say If I copy and paste article content, including superscript numerals for citations, those superscript numerals are not present when I paste the text into another app. you are probably using the use-Parsoid beta feature. I can reproduce this behavior when a page is generated with Parsoid and can't when I turn it off (compare useparsoid=1 and useparsoid=0), using Firefox for Windows. I believe this stems from how the numbers are included in the text in Parsoid (by CSS content). This should change back to the "old" behavior at some point (WMDE is working on references broadly).
The reason references don't do that today, and our various inline templates probably shouldn't, is probably in the realm of "people understand the content is sourced when you include the footnotes" and has become something of a feature of trust. Especially so for the inline template case. See open task at phab:T284607 which also points to a previous discussion about this topic. Izno (talk) 19:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Lowercase italics title

Hello. On UDraw Studio, is the correct method of handling the italicized lowercase title done in this edit? That looks like an intense kludge, but my attempt has an error at the bottom. Then that would be likewise for uDraw GameTablet, once it gets an infobox. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Look at Wikipedia:Page_name#DISPLAYTITLE_conflicts and Wikipedia:DISPLAYTITLE. Near the top of Template:Infobox video game it says:
Polygnotus (talk) 08:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Text color change after hovering on the text of appeared window of a hyperlink

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T382142

Hi, for example for Tim Berners-Lee link, and if we have visited this article at least one time:

  1. After we hover our mouse on the link, a window appears containing his image and some text (first sentences of article)
  2. If we hover on the text, the color of text changes to blue.

This happens only if we have visited this article at least one time. This behavior is not reasonable, and no color change is needed in this scenario. Please inspect. Thanks, Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 09:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

are you sure you are not accidentally selecting the text in the window, instead of hovering ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
@TheDJ Yes. I'm sure. After hovering, color changes. But it happens if we have seen the target of link at least one time. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Well as far as I can remember it is not something that anyone else has reported. Have you tried with different browsers ? Maybe it's a browser extensions you have installed or something like that. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
@TheDJ I tried Google Chrome, Firefox and Microsoft Edge and Opera, and even I sign out of them, and even I installed Opera for the first time, to check the scenario, and even I checked the scenario in another Laptop, but the problem persists. I really surprise that you don't see the bug. Here is a screenshot of the problem:
I had hovered on the appearing window of "World Wide Web" on the article "Tim Berners-Lee", and the color changed to blue, but my cursor is not shown in the screenshot. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 11:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I get same issue in Edge and Chrome. Don't think all the text is supposed to show purple when hover ever? Indagate (talk) 12:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't think so. In my opinion, no color change is needed. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I see this when I use a logged-out, non-private window in Firefox 133 and Chromium 131. Note that in the popup, the entire text is part of a link so that clicking it will take you to the popped-up article. What appears to be happening in this situation is that the CSS 
@media screen {
  a:where(:not([role="button"])):visited:hover {
    color: var(--color-visited--hover,#534fa3);
  }
}
has a higher specificity than 
.mwe-popups .mwe-popups-extract {
  margin: 16px;
  display: block;
  color: var(--color-base,#202122);
  text-decoration: none;
  position: relative;
  padding-bottom: 4px;
}
The former has (0,2,1) due to :visited:hover and a, while the latter has only (0,2,0). Anomie⚔ 14:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Non-Latin module problems

Eyes at Module talk:Political party § For languages not using latin would be appreciated, I am not sure how best to proceed. Primefac (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Restore Appearance pane

How do I restore the Appearance pane when I am not logged in? I clicked "Hide". Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Click the little eyeglasses icon at the upper right, next to "Donate", then click Move to Sidebar. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Wonderful. Thank you, Jonesey95! -SusanLesch (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Image and maybe infobox help for an upcoming TFA

Newly passing a year-long featured article review, Minneapolis is scheduled for TFA on New Years Eve. Thus we have up to three weeks to fix this. Yesterday, Sbmeirow reported a configuration that leaves a big gap of white space under the three photos in §History > Industries develop. (That configuration is: not logged in, Appearance set to WIDE; Firefox, Chrome, and Edge.) On Minneapolis talk, I offered 6 different ways to fix this. He decided to move images around (which now are not in places corresponding to the prose, and two form an MOS:SANDWICH). Can an expert in image use here please tell me which alternative is best? I've begun to think all I have to do is hide the maps in the infobox but Sbmeirow doesn't think so. The last stable version is from December 4. Thanks for any help. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted to that version with the fix applied. No comment on any of the intervening changes, some of which look to have been attempting to "fix" the issue and some of which look to have been adjusting other qualities. Izno (talk) 22:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Well done. Thank you, Izno. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Lua article date info

Hi, how can I get article creation and article last edit dates in Lua? Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 04:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

That cannot be done. JavaScript has access to the API but not Lua. Johnuniq (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
The last edit date is available through frame:callParserFunction('REVISIONTIMESTAMP', { 'Foo' }), though this counts as expensive. Nardog (talk) 06:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way to generate a list of articles where the pointer misses the red outline on the map, as can be seen in this example; Battlefield High School? Abductive (reasoning) 05:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Not easily as a ready made tool yet I think. You would have to query information from multiple sources; Local page, Wikidata item AND OSM relations with a link to a Wikidata item. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I see. It might be easier if one worked on something similar that was entirely within Wikidata. Thank you. Abductive (reasoning) 10:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Mobile view sidebar

On a desktop, the mobile view sidebar does not give a realistic view for interactive content, such as Template:Body_roundness_index

  1. It shows spin buttons for numeric entry fields, which do not show on a real mobile
  2. It does not show a keyboard at the bottom half of the screen when an input field is selected.

Uwappa (talk) 09:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

What is "the mobile view sidebar"? Nardog (talk) 10:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
A desktop will never truly behave the same way as a mobile device, without a LOT of engineering. Also devices have all kinds of differing behaviour, you should NOT assume that content behaves the same everywhere. This is HTML, we are not printing a book, the content is flexible and adapts and you should not in any way expect pixel perfectness. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
It should not be too much of an effort to hide the spin buttons using CSS.
I'm not sure about showing a keyboard, a general CSS statement using pseudo code :focus for input fields might do the trick. Uwappa (talk) 11:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
@TheDJ you should write yourself an essay of the above content just to save you having to retype it any time someone talks about math or layout or.... ;) Izno (talk) 18:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
The same code is sent to your browser/device which just treats it differently. Compare to https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_hide_arrow_number.asp where your mobile device probably also omits arrows/spinner at "Default". Maybe designers of the device thought it would be too small to control and would just interfere with tapping the field to write a number. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Whatever happened to edit conflicts?

Before this recent sudden change from the last two months or so, if I made an edit and someone published an edit to the page while I was making that edit, I would be met with a page where it shows two boxes: the "current revision" of the page, and the "Your text" containing the version of the page that was supposed to be published but was prevented by an edit conflict.

Now, today, this is what happens when an edit conflict happens. I get a page saying that there was an edit conflict, but then all I see is the "current revision" editing window box! I no longer get the "Your text" box anymore, so now whatever I wrote before gets completely lost as a result.

What happened here? — AP 499D25 (talk) 03:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, I just did a test in the sandbox and what do you know, the 'Your text' bit is there allllllllll the way at the bottom of the page. Seriously though, I swear there wasn't anything like that during the edit conflicts I ran into while editing some talk pages and noticeboards earlier! The next time this actually happens I'll post an update and maybe upload a screenshot.
For accessibility reasons, the "Your text" section should seriously be moved to before the "Wikidata entries used in this page" and "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page" bits, since the former is much, much more important when one runs into an edit conflict. — AP 499D25 (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Is "Paragraph-based edit conflict" on or off in Preferences → Beta features? Nardog (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
It's disabled. I've never messed around with beta features before. — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is relevant to the current discussion or not, but I could never figure out how to use that thing. When you hit a merge conflict, in, say, git, the relevant options are generally "accept yours", "accept theirs", or "accept both". In an edit conflict on Wikipedia, the correct option is ALMOST ALWAYS "accept both", and that was the one I could never figure out how to do.
So I would highlight "mine", do Ctrl-C or right-click-copy, then refresh the page and paste it into the appropriate place. But WTF is a merge-resolution tool for, if it can't do that? Was I just too dim to figure out how to make it work? --Trovatore (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
The "Wikidata entries used in this page" and "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page" bits may both be collapsed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Tool to find some text I added in the past

Is there a tool to search for a specified text string added by my (or any specified editor's) edits in any article (including deleted revisions - perhaps searching from most recent to oldest)? (was looking for some article where I thought I had added something somewhere ... but I think this might generally be a useful tool to augment anyone's memory) Shyamal (talk) 03:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

May need to use Quarry. The closest I could find is this. -- Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 05:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Revision text is not available on the replicas. There is no way to get the information being sought here. If the Shyamal has an idea of which article, they could try the Who Wrote That browser extension. Izno (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
@Izno: There is no way to get the information being sought here. There is. Polygnotus (talk) 05:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I made a tool like that, but because I am not an admin I can't see deleted contributions. Polygnotus (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! That seems to be immensely useful - maybe you should consider opening it up somewhere - I should have said content that had been deleted not deleted revisions. Shyamal (talk) 05:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Do you mean WP:BLAME? -- GreenC 18:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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SVG → PNG not rendering transparently?

A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, but it did pique my curiosity: when rendered as a PNG in the article Buffy the Vampire Slayer, why does File:Buffy the vampire slayer.svg have a white background, when the SVG at the commons exhibits a transparent background? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 22:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode support in Template:Infobox television series. The color added should probably match the infobox color in light mode, which is #f8f9fa, but that's still a grey. Izno (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean, except to infer it's not an error with the SVG nor the transparent PNG rendering? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 00:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
It is not an error. Izno (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
The white background color comes from Template:Infobox television series, and it was decided to be added as an night mode fix in the discussion Template talk:Infobox television#Template needs to be updated to support night mode. Snævar (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Quantum Chip

Hello all. Firstly, I apologize that this might be the wrong place to ask this. But, given that there are some good minds here -- I thought of asking nevertheless. Where can I read more about today's quantum chip announcement and how it advances computing? I tried searching for a couple of Wiki articles, but, could not find them. Am I searching wrong? Appreciate any pointers on where I could read how today's announcement advances the topic. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 05:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The correct place is Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing but see Slashdot. Johnuniq (talk) 05:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Template for example article rendering

I'm looking for a template like {{markup}} except without the left wikicode column. Basically it should be able to display the right column of Template:Fake_heading/doc#Example plus the output of {{lorem}} and {{reflist}}.

I was editing to fix dark mode at WP:REPEATCITATION. I thought {{quote box}} was a good idea, because the original text used <blockquote>. However, people said this is misuse, made the distinction It is not making a quote, it is giving an example, and told me to come here to WP:VPT. It's not clear to me the difference between quotes and examples that use <blockquote>, so I'll just draw the line at the presence of {{fake heading}} or {{reflist}}.

Aside from dark mode, the goal was to stop copies of the wikisyntax <blockquote style="padding:1em; border:1px solid #999;"><!--code for display--> from proliferating across at least 3 different pages. Deduplicating repeated wikicode is the purpose of templates. I have also found that dark mode is fixed faster with templates than inline styles.

What template should we use for example article render outputs? 172.97.141.219 (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The raw blockquote should not have been a blockquote either. :) We don't appear to have a good block example template of any sort (obligatory mention of {{xt}} for inline use). Izno (talk) 18:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Divbox}} or {{Box}} may be useful. There are others in Category:Box templates. Some of them may need adjustments to support dark mode. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
should not have been: no wonder I was confused.
A page used the dark-mode-unfriendly {{box}} with {{blockquote}}, which we want to avoid but without it {{box}} swallows newlines absent <nowiki/> workarounds.
I found {{divbox|plain}} to be useful. It is used as a block example template at {{Backmasked-f/doc}} and {{UK-waterway-routemap/doc}}. I struggled with the bottom margin until {{CCIsubst}} taught me to omit the last newline. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Template-smuggled redlinked categories, yet again

The newest run of Special:WantedCategories is an even bigger trainwreck of redlinked class-rating categories again, with the total number of redlinked categories hitting 652 this time, but it's now a completely different problem. Instead of "FM-Class [Project] articles" categories having been left as unemptied redlinks following the categories being moved to "pages", now it's predominantly "FM-Class [Project] pages" categories that never previously existed at the "articles" form at all, and thus can't be resolved by moving or categoryredirecting anything.

There's also a smaller but significant cluster of "NA-Class [Project] articles" categories that never previously existed, and seven instances (across a variety of classes) of the nonsense "[Something something] pages articles" form that obviously shouldn't exist at all. As well, several (but not all) of the redlinks I brought here a few days ago haven't actually been resolved, and are still populated.

Can somebody look into what's causing all of this? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bearcat: We know what's causing this, it's the ongoing activities at Module talk:WikiProject banner and Template talk:WikiProject banner shell, to which you have been directed before. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Nobody's "directed" me anywhere "before", and it is not my responsibility to quietly put up with having to wade through a flood of 653 redlinked categories. If there are "ongoing activities at Module talk:WikiProject banner and Template talk:WikiProject banner shell", then it's the responsibility of the people involved in those ongoing activities to resolve any and all redlinks that result from their activities before they get thrown onto my plate.
Special:WantedCategories has a size limit beyond which it is full and cannot detect additional categories beyond that limit. So template-generated maintenance categories cannot be allowed to accumulate on that list without being resolved, because every time I just let a batch of hundreds of them sit there unblued that's just pushing the report hundreds of articles closer to its size limit. And even cleaning out the categories I can deal with is significantly harder as long as maintenance categories remain there undealt with, because having to scroll through hundreds of these redlinks I can't fix makes it significantly more difficult to find the redlinks I can fix, especially (again) if they're allowed to accumulate rather than being resolved. So it isn't my responsibility to just politely shut my yap and put up with hundreds of maintenance categories I can't fix cluttering up that report — if they're being caused by ongoing banner template changes, then the projects that are implementing the banner changes need to keep redlinks off that report by dealing with them before they land on that report, because they're significantly interfering with an important maintenance task.
And finally, the handful of "pages articles" categories are obviously just an error, rather than anything intended, so that's a thing that needs to be fixed by whoever made that mistake. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
I refer you to this post. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
This is an issue of wikiproject not specifying that they have class assessments that deviate from the global one. An mass message was posted in April 2023, example, that the projects with the redlinks did not act on. Some of those have file classes, like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Assessment, where as others do not like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Technology/Assessment.
I thought about this and came to the conclusion that it is best just to have an exclusion list. The exclusion list would list any deviations from the global classes, so projects get the global classes except where they have exclusions. That requires someone to go through the "/Assessments" subpages of the wikiprojects with those redlinks.
The other option would be to use |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom for projects that deviate from the global classes, either on the basis of redlinked categories or by going through their "/Assessments" wikiproject subpages. Both two methods, the redlink or assessment subpage method, should result in a partial revert of User:Cewbot edits, where the wikiproject classes of the wikiprojects in question where moved to the global one or just removed. Snævar (talk) 18:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about email from new user

Can a user who is not yet auto-confirmed send an email to an editor who has enabled "Email this user"?

This is probably a relatively simple question, but it may be the answer to a question about administrator accountability. Some administrators have (in my opinion, reasonably) semi-protected their talk pages, or asked another admin to semi-protect their talk pages, due to abuse from unregistered editors. The question is how a non-autoconfirmed user can contact such an administrator about an administrative action. I think that if the admin has email enabled, that satisfies admin accountability.

This issue came up at Deletion Review, and will probably go away there because the requesting user has been blocked, but I think that the question is worth asking. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Special:Preferences has a toggle "Allow emails from brand-new users" that determines whether unconfirmed editors can send the user emails. SilverLocust 💬 20:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist weirdness

Hello! I've been trying to watch a category (Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting) for additions/removals (see mw:Help:New filters for edit review/Filtering#Type of change), but the watchlist won't display those edits. The stranger thing is, though, that I can't see an entire 250 entries (without a latest version only filter) unless I turn off the "Category changes" filter. Further, I am able to see the problems on the mobile app.

I'm experiencing the problem on Google Chrome version 131.0.6778.109. Thanks!

     — Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 21:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@DaZyzzogetonsGotDaLastWord: Watchlisting a category in the conventional sense watches for changes to that page. Because a category is just another page in MediaWiki. Add this to your Special:MyPage/common.js file: 
{{subst:iusc|User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer}}
The documentation is over at User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer. Polygnotus (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
@AZyzzogetonsGotDaLastWord: No need for a JavaScript solution these days. There's a setting in the watchlist tab of your preferences called "Hide categorization of pages". If it's unchecked, the watchlist will show category removals/additions. Graham87 (talk) 03:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
@Graham87: Thank you, I did not know that. Downside is that it results in ~146 entries in the watchlist! Polygnotus (talk) 12:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
@Graham87, I have that setting unchecked (meaning do show categorizations in the watchlist) and it still doesn't show categorized pages. It does know there are some, though (it doesn't show a "no results found" message if I filter to only show categorization of pages). – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do not ping on reply. 22:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the recommendation, but I'm trying to get the pages to appear in my watchlist, not just on the category page (I don't really care about what order the pages were added to the category in, I'm just trying to consolidate everything on my watchlist). – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do not ping on reply. 22:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages relating to ships

Hello, I have discovered that disambiguation pages relation to ships (such as HMS Hannibal) are not classified as disambiguation pages and are not being displayed in orange (when you have the "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" gadget enabled). Not sure how to fix this so I thought I'd alert you all here. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

They are not disambiguation pages but Wikipedia:Set index articles so there is nothing to fix. It's working correctly. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Gotcha, thank you! GMH Melbourne (talk) 04:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

[wikibase-conflict-patched] Your edit was patched into the latest version

I encountered this warning message while running wbeditentity. I wonder if anyone can tell me how to avoid it, or who I should ask to get a solution to the problem? Kanashimi (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Transliteration error at Ninurta

Hi. I just chanced upon a Good Article, Ninurta, which now has a red-linked Error on the first line. It's some kind of problem with transliteration, it seems because it's using non-Latin alphabet or characters. It is using the "transl" template and I don't know how to correct it. Would somebody please fix this? ProfGray (talk) 14:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I fixed it by replacing the non-Latin "𒅁" with "Ib (cuneiform)" in the wikilink. Please improve the help text if was not clear to you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
@Jonesey95 thank you! ProfGray (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Template-generated redlinked categories, again

Once again, Special:WantedCategories has thrown up a handful of redlinked categories that are being smuggled in via templates that have farmed their category generation out to modules that I can't edit, and thus I can't fix the redlinks.

  • Category:FM-Class articles — This got renamed to Category:FM-Class pages a few days ago via a CFR discussion, but the {{Category class}} template is still module-farming the old category rather than the new one. Some, but not all, of the pages also have the new category directly declared on them alongside the redlink being carried in by the template, but the redlink is still present on over 500 talk pages.
  • Category:Wikipedia dual licensed files with invalid licenses — This is being piggybacked by the licensing template on an image, but the template itself doesn't directly contain any text enabling that category. Obviously if this is actually wanted, then it should be created by somebody who knows how to create project categories like that (i.e. not me), but if it's unwanted then it needs to go away.
  • Category:Wikt-lang template errors — Autogenerated on test page Template:Wikt-lang/testcases. Again, should be created if it's actually wanted, but needs to be kiboshed if it's not. If it's actually unwanted, then just fixing the errors on that page won't be enough, and it will need to be made impossible so that it doesn't come back in the future. And, of course, since I don't work with wikt-lang template gnomery, I'm not in a position to determine whether it's wanted or not.

So could somebody with module-editing privileges fix these, and/or create the latter two categories if they're actually wanted? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll take care of the first item — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the FM-Class articles categories in Category:Wikipedia non-empty soft redirected categories and see if they can be moved to pages without disrupting the wider category structure for each project? Timrollpickering (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
The FM-Class one is a textbook example of why people absolutely must consider the broadest implications when there is a proposal to rename categories that are (i) part of a system and (ii) generated by code in templates and modules. That is to say: don't action the cat rename until every template, module and associated page is ready to be suitably amended. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, absolutely. This one took me by surprise. But I will try and get the module reworked later today. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Special:WantedCategories is now filling up with this mess. Can someone please either apply the module changes ASAP or else reverse the category name changes? Timrollpickering (talk) 12:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Module was updated 08:28 today, so hopefully you are seeing some improvements now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I see you updated Template:Category class, but overlooked Template:Category class/column and Template:Category class/second row column. I've now updated those and Template:Articles by Quality/up and Template:Articles by Quality/down, but the first of these is still linking to the old category via {{class}} which invokes Module:Class. (E.g. FM links at Category:20th Century Studios articles by quality and Category:FM-Class 20th Century Studios pages.) Perhaps we should instead write a custom line for FM, like you did here[10] for Unassessed. – Fayenatic London 19:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Most articles have now moved but there are a handful where the templates are stubbornly generating the old categories - see Category:Wikipedia non-empty soft redirected categories for the remaining ones. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

And another mess. Category:Low-impact WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages articles is a redirect being populated somehow but I'm not sure what and can't find the relevant text in the templates. Special:WantedCategories shows similar cases, as well as numerous redlinked FM pages categories. We need to stop this mess where categories are populated by code templates that are near impossible to amend but the category names can be easily changed. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@MSGJ: is this a result of your 7 December edit to Module:WikiProject banner? – Fayenatic London 22:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
There are some comments at Module talk:WikiProject banner#Changes for FM-class — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Weird problem with STN Template

Sunrise Izumo makes frequent use of the STN template, which is supposed to simplify the creation of links to train station articles. The template does what its supposed to, but it also inserts a link to a discussion about merging the template! Not sure how I should deal with this. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I think this update by @Primefac: put a comment in the source code that should be in the talk page? -- Verbarson  talkedits 20:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
He says he put it in the source deliberately. See his talk page.
--Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
It's normal to display a notice in articles using a template which is nominated for discussion. See Template:Tfm#Display on articles. {{STN}} is used in 19,600 articles and often many times in the same article, e.g. 54 in Sunrise Izumo and Karasuma Line. That causes excessive notices. I don't think it's possible for a template to detect it has already been called on the same page so we cannot say "Only display the notice at the first call". Maybe |type=disabled should be used in {{STN}} to never display a notice on articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Now it makes sense. How will we know if we are not told? And the disruption is pretty minimal. -- Verbarson  talkedits 23:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
"The service operates in conjunction with the Sunrise Seto service to ‹See TfM›Takamatsu between Tokyo and ‹See TfM›Okayama. The combined 14-car train departs from Tokyo, and stops at ‹See TfM›Yokohama, ‹See TfM›Atami, ‹See TfM›Numazu, ‹See TfM›Fuji, ‹See TfM›Shizuoka, ‹See TfM›Hamamatsu (final evening stop), ‹See TfM›Himeji (first morning stop), and arrives at ‹See TfM›Okayama, where the train splits."
How is that "minimal"? Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 03:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I've disabled the TfM link. Nardog (talk) 05:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
If we want to only display something at the first occurrence of it on a page then what are the options? Would we have to add site-wide JavaScript which hides the other occurrences after loading the page? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Or just don't put a notice of a technical discussion in a place where it's mostly going to be seen by ordinary Wikipedia users. I don't see how this is "normal." I've been reading and editing Wikipedia for almost 20 years, and this is the first time I've encountered such a thing. I guarantee you that 99% of Wikipedia users will find such a notice annoying and distracting. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Notices concerning discussions about articles can be published at the head of the article; they are visible to all readers, but can be ignored by those not interested in WP processes. They don't disturb the flow of the article. It is hard to see how notices of discussion about templates can be published without inserting something into the flow of the article. Should there be an 'I want to see the nuts and bolts' flag that is normally off, but can be set on manually (or configured permanently as a account preference) to enable/disable such notices? -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
This in your CSS will hide tfd notices in mainspace, assuming they all use tfd:
.ns-0 .tfd {display:none;}
We could hide it for IP's and show by default for registered users. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter You could use WP:TemplateStyles and the :nth-child(1n+2 of .tfd){display:none} to make it only show the first tag in a given paragraph. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Looks like MediaWiki can't parse the period before .tfd for some reason, but .tfd ~ .tfd {display: none;} does the same thing (hides all sibling .tfds that come after another .tfd). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
The :nth-child(1n+2 of .tfd) form is not in Selectors Level 3 (a W3C Recommendation) but it is in Selectors Level 4, which is a W3C Working Draft. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

It could also be off for IP's but on by default for registered users?

Primefac's edit was in accordance with WP:TFDHOW step 1, sixth bullet, except that they appear to have specified |type=tiny instead of |type=inline. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
|type=tiny is an acceptable alternative to |type=inline per Template:Template for discussion#Display on articles. But, as Template:Template for discussion#Which type should be used? goes onto say completely disabling, as Nardog has done, is ok if "the insertion of any template is deemed too detrimental to a large number of articles, or if it breaks markup". Nthep (talk) 13:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
off for IP's @PrimeHunter: Have any IPs requested hiding this?
99% of Wikipedia users will find such a notice annoying and distracting The same could be said for compulsory voting in Australia. Similar to what Primefac said, I think people complaining about not being notified pose a greater threat because they could riot and demand the results be overturned.
I requested an edit to make the notification less intrusive. It will be easy to skip over like the other inline cleanup tags and references:

The service operates in conjunction with the Sunrise Seto service to [TfM]Takamatsu between Tokyo and [TfM]Okayama. The combined 14-car train departs from Tokyo, and stops at [TfM]Yokohama, [TfM]Atami, [TfM]Numazu, [TfM]Fuji, [TfM]Shizuoka, [TfM]Hamamatsu (final evening stop), [TfM]Himeji (first morning stop), and arrives at [TfM]Okayama, where the train splits.

172.97.141.219 (talk) 14:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
If we're going to use {{fix}}, could we put it at the end of the template so as to match other inline cleanup templates' usage? E.g.:

The service operates in conjunction with the Sunrise Seto service to Takamatsu[TfM] between Tokyo and Okayama[TfM]. The combined 14-car train departs from Tokyo, and stops at Yokohama[TfM], Atami[TfM], Numazu[TfM], Fuji[TfM], Shizuoka[TfM], Hamamatsu[TfM] (final evening stop), Himeji[TfM] (first morning stop), and arrives at Okayama[TfM], where the train splits.

     — Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do ping on reply. 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
@DaZyzzogetonsGotDaLastWord: {{subst:Tfd}}/{{Tfd/dated}} is transcluded first in the template to discuss, and I wouldn't know how to delay output. Ahecht replaced {{fix}} with templatestyles, saying TfD is not cleanup, but kept [square brackets] while <angle brackets> confuse non-template-editors. I also proposed {{topicon}}. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Does the Japanese Wikipedia allow English edit summaries?

IP tried to ask the Japanese Wikipedia if English edit summaries is allowed but ended up with receiving no consensus. So, i'm gonna mirror his discussion here on the English Wikipedia's village pump. 67.209.130.128 (talk) 03:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia has no authority over the Japanese Wikipedia. We would probably not want Japanese edit summaries here, but we don't have a "help for non-English speakers" page either so make of that what you will. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
It appears to have no filter to stop non-Japanese edit summaries. I suggest that you supply an edit summary in English that is helpful when editing. Without knowing the language, perhaps you can usefully edit images, or numbers on a page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I really wouldn't recommend editing a Wikipedia in a language you don't speak for anything beyond the most perfunctory of edits, e.g. maybe replacing images with technically superior versions. For that, machine translation (perhaps with a courtesy note explaining you don't speak the language) should suffice. Remsense ‥ 论 06:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Unironically unironically the highest quality tip. Thank you. 67.209.130.66 (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
If you log in, Japanese Wikipedia might send you a welcome message - they sent me one some years ago, see ja:利用者‐会話:Redrose64, which includes one line of English:
Hello, Redrose64! Welcome to Japanese Wikipedia. If you are not a Japanese speaker, you can ask a question in Help. Enjoy!
which may help here. I see that an IP has posted a similar question at 04:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Or SWMT. JJPMaster (she/they) 20:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I sometimes perform file moves on Commons, which generates a copy of my edit summary (in English) copied to all languages where the file is renamed pursuant to the file move. I have never had a problem result from this in any language Wiki, including Japanese, where I have some 250 of these. BD2412 T 20:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Fun problem with Improved Syntax Highlighting (beta feature)

Was editing a page (2014 Gaza War) with the Improved Syntax Highlighting beta feature when I noticed that the text I was editing was all purple. Scrolled up to find where the problem started, and it was first completely unnhighlighted, then all purple except for [[where it should be different]], then it was just completely off kilter. E.g. As part of its crackdown and concurrent to rocket fire from Gaza, Israel conducted air strikes against Hamas facilities in the Gaza Strip. I guess that's beta features for you. – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do not ping on reply. 23:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The talk page for that beta feature is mw:Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror if you want to report a problem there. It helps to describe exactly what you clicked on and what you saw. For example, were you using the Visual Editor, and were you editing a section or the whole article? – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you... not sure how I would get syntax highlighting in Visual Editor though... :-) – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do ping on reply. 01:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Phab:T366035 析石父 (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) Please do ping on reply. 21:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirects to anchors

Redirects to anchors don't seem to work.

If I go to Special pages it redirects to MediaWiki at the top of the page. But if I click the link in "Redirected from Special pages" it shows a link to MediaWiki#Installation and configuration. And if I click that link, I get the anchor jump.

Is the failure to do the jump on redirect peculiar to Firefox or do I need to file a bug report with Wikimedia? Or is this a known issue they won't be able to fix?

Thisisnotatest (talk) 03:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

What version of Firefox are you using?
You can find it under help > About firefox. Snævar (talk) 03:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Redirects to a section require scripting to be enabled. Johnuniq (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Works correctly for me. Firefox 133.0.3 (64 bits) @ Windows 11 Home. --CiaPan (talk) 09:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Works for me in Firefox with JavaScript enabled, bot not disabled as Johnuniq said. Does https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-javascript-enabled/ say JavaScript is enabled? What is the url in the address bar after clicking Special pages? With JavaScript enabled and working correctly it should be rewritten to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/MediaWiki#Installation_and_configuration and jump to the section. Without JavaScript the url remains https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special_pages. It does display the MediaWiki article but doesn't jump to the section. This is an effect of MediaWiki using "pseudoredirects" and not real HTTP redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Typing "Template:gl" (lower-case G, lower-case L) in the search box takes me to an unexpected page

When I type "Template:gl" (lower-case G, lower-case L) in the search box at the top of my page (in Vector 2022), and then click Search, I am automatically taken to Template:GL (upper-case G, upper-case L). There is not a redirect at Template:gl, so I do not understand why this happens. I believe that I should end up at this search result page, telling me that "The page "Template:Gl" does not exist., etc."

This also happens if I type "Template:gin", so it is not limited to two-letter names.

I thought that after the first character, case was significant in page names. What is happening here? – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The search box allows very near matches. This query matches "Now try all upper case" or another type of near match. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I suppose this (to me) inconsistent behavior is helpful for nearly everyone, but not for template editors and gnomes trying to investigate and fix specific problems. I find it a bit frustrating that the Search box at the top of the page behaves differently from the Search page. I guess that's why one has a white-background button that is the same height as the text box, and the other has a blue-background button that is taller than the text box. Maybe that will help me remember. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
The big search box at Special:Search always makes a search and never goes directly to a matching page name. The normal search box on every page always goes directly to a page which only differs by captizalition, unless you select "Search for pages contaning" in the dropdown. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Jonesey95, if you append a tilde to any search in the top-right box, it will force a search result page, regardless if a page exists matching your search string or not. This is actually documented somewhere, and not some kind of klugey thing that might go away next version. Try Template:Ambox~ or similar. Mathglot (talk) 09:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Interesting. Strangely, it doesn't tell me that "The page Template:gin~ does not exist", as I might expect, but I'll file that tip away for future use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Data sorting in tables

Hi there, I've created a page List of Neo-Latin authors which has sortable lists.

In the first column, I've added data sorting via either |data-sort="Lastname, firstname"| or with {{sortname|Firstname|Lastname}}, or variations on these. The seem to be outputting to the table, but it doesn't seem always to sort on these values. In particular, cells which have sort values, but do not contain data, are treated as blanks.

It is necessary to have some data-less name cells, because the table contains columns for the author's original names, and their Latin names; but either of these can be absent for different authors.

I've tried adding nsbsp; to make browsers think there is content, in case that is the issue, but that doesn't seem to help. Any ideas? Jim Killock (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@JimKillock: It's called data-sort-value.[11] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Ah great - thanks! Jim Killock (talk) 20:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Cursor jumping

For a month or longer now, my cursor has been jumping to the beginning of my sentence when I'm writing a message in places like the Help Desk or an article's Talk page — but interestingly, not here at Technical Help — and try to type capital letters or certain common symbols such as colons, semicolons, parentheses, quotation marks, exclamation points, and question marks. This happens ONLY when I'm working in Wikipedia, nowhere else.

It's really maddening, because it means I waste a lot of time going back to the start of a line and copying the letter or symbol to pasted back down where I was typing. Can you help me stop this? Augnablik (talk) 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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