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are my articles safe? Still pending for review. sources given. hope for acceptance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponjit1234 (talk • contribs)

It would help if you signed your post (e.g. with four tildes "~~~~" as instructed at the top of this page) so we have a clue as to who you are. Additionally it would help if you provided links to your (presumably draft) articles so, once we know who you are, we don't have to follow a trail of breadcrumbs through your userpages or contributions to figure out which articles you're talking about and where they are. As things currently stand I know of no way to help you. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.14.51 (talk) 17:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Just out of interest, 2.218.14.51, where exactly on this page does it tell newcomers to sign their posts with four tildes? I've looked and I can't find it myself. (This is one of many suggestions for improvements to the Teahouse which I recently suggested on this post on our Teahouse Talk page. You might like to add your views, as I think it would help newcomers if we better guided them to help us to help them (if you follow my logic)). Nick Moyes (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, {{Welcome}} and other welcome templates do mentions signing such posts. However, it realty isn't much trouble to follow the history and the user contributions, so the IP editor's asperity is in my view a bit overdone. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, my bad. I'm so used to seeing the signing instructions on other pages that I just assumed they were on this one too. And I was feeling a bit harried and tetchy last night and allowed that to seep into the tone of my response (which was made before the system added the OP's identity). I am also aware that it is possible, though irksome, to track through the OP's digital trails, but was responding to the apparent assumption that the OP's identifying both their username and the articles in question was unnecessary. Apologies to the OP and to yourselves for the error and the attitude. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.14.51 (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

If Draft:Jalukbari Police Division is one of the articles that you are asking about, then you need to read WP:Referencing for beginners, WP:Notability, and the comments from the two previous reviews before you submit it again. The article is almost certain to be rejected in its present form. Dbfirs 17:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ponjit1234: Your draft article is safe from deletion, and you may - and indeed should - work to improve it before submitting again if you wish. Any draft article not edited for six months is liable to be deleted as we assume by then that the creator has given up on the task. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Question - Changing a birthday

Hello, How to I change a birthday. Someone has created a page on me, but they have my wrong birthday (month and day). How can I change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorchestra (talk • contribs) 15:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Scorchestra. You can find advice relevant to your situation at WP:BIOSELF. In summary:

• Normally you are discouraged from directly editing articles about yourself, and should rather make suggestions on the article's talk page.
• But if information in an article about a living person is unsourced, then anybody may remove it, even yourself. (Do explain what you are doing in the edit summary).
• If the information is cited to an apparently reliable source, this is more problematic. Wikipedia works on WP:verifiability, not truth, and won't change reliably sourced information because somebody says it is wrong. However, personal data like date of birth is generally felt not to be appropriate in an article about a living person unless it has been widely reported (see DOB); so it might be that it should be removed from the article in any case. It might help if you told us which article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Pictures

What are the rules for adding photos and captions and how do I do this? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolverinestudent12 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wolverinestudent12. Adding photos is a complex area of editing. The most important thing to know is that a large majority of photos you find online are not acceptable because of copyright limitations. On the other hand, there are millions of freely licensed photos on Wikimedia Commons which can be used for any reason. You can donate your own photos there. Wikipedia:Images is a good overview with links to various other helpful pages. If you have a more specific question, feel free to ask it here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:59, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Nervous to post updates! How can I do this right?

I work in the tech space and really want to update some of the advancements and applications of my (technical) areas of interests! But I'm nervous because a lot of my reading is from startup/innovation blogs and when I look for more reputable sources for my info, the larger publications tend to lag behind. I've found a mid-way option, where I can write something saying 'Google is doing this cool thing [source] and startups are trying too [no source]. What do you think? Should I add commentary without any source? Or should I wait to add until a big news publication (or the like) as written on the subject? Please help, I 100% don't want to be mistaken for being linked to any of these VCs, accelerators or startups in any way, just want to update what I think is kinda outdated content on my industry... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElPao2 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi ElPao2, the answer is in two parts. Firstly, nothing you can do will break Wikipedia, any edit can be reversed. We have the Bold, Revert, Discuss rule which means you are invited to be bold in editing an article, if your edit is reverted, you have a standing invitation to discuss the matter with the editor who did the reverting. Secondly, keep in mind that Wikipedia is not news, we do not report on topics that have not already recieved in-depth attention from mainstream sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dodger67, okay gotcha, thanks! So to confirm, if something is informative, rather than just a news update, I am encouraged to update Wikipedia with it? What is your advice on sourcing - should I try and put the best-possible source, or is it best to put no source if it links to a company's own announcement or blog (and thus could be construed as marketing)? ElPao2 (talk) 18:24, 11 April 2018 (GMT)

Hello, ElPao2. My advice is:

• Never put any information in any article that you have not found in a reliable published source (and since you have found the source, you might as well cite it; that is not strictly required unless it is controversial, but it is helpful to readers if you do so).
• If possible, use sources independent of the subject. Non-independent sources (such as the subject's own website) are acceptable for some kinds of information - uncontroversial factual data such as dates and locations; but not for anything which might be contentious, or which is in any way evaluative. See PRIMARY for more on this. --ColinFine (talk) 18:53, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

help with reference formatting

Hi, could somebody help me with the references on the page Agrothereutes abbreviatus? I moved a long list out of a taxobox template into the article text and the references were messed up. How can I fix this in the simplest way? Thank you, Zelomorpha (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Zelomorpha: -  Done. Stormy clouds (talk) 19:40, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Help

How do I block people for vandalism? WestVirginiaMountineer (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Blocking should be the very last resort, but there is a process to follow if it comes to that. Check out WP:AIV for policies and procedures on this topic. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 19:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@WestVirginiaMountineer: - you don't. Unless you are an admin, you lack the power to block or ban other editors. If the contributions of a certain editor are particularly egregious, drop a note at WP:AIV regarding their conduct, and it will be investigated. If a block is merited, the user will be blocked. However, beware the boomerang when making such reports. If they can, they will assist you. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@WestVirginiaMountineer: If you see vandalism, please revert it, and warn the user. See Wikipedia:Vandalism#Warnings for how to warn a user to stop vandalizing. RudolfRed (talk) 19:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Your invitation

Good evening. Thank you for the invitation, although it was auto-generated so I don't know who to address personally. I've made a few edits, mostly corrections but a couple are enhancements. I'm a little intrigued by the referencing methods used as there does not appear to be a sitewide standard. Can I request some pointers, please? In Violin Concerto No. 1 (Bruch), I've borrowed a style already present in the article and I'd appreciate feedback on my edits there. Thank you. Fiery Billy (talk) 19:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Fiery Billy, and welcome to the Teahouse. You're right and you're right, there is no sitewide standard, but it is prefered that an article is consistent (we have a similar rule for type of english, WP:ENGVAR). Help:Referencing for beginners may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine. I'll work with what's there till I get up to speed and can see what's best. Thank you. Fiery Billy (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

map

Teahouse/Questions/Archive 753
Today, our Teahouse is located in the wonderful Botanic Gardens in Guwahati! Click the coordinates below to see a detailed map.
Coordinates: 26.1527071°N 91.6611459°E / 26.1527071; 91.6611459

How a map can be added to an article? Ponjit1234 (talk) 09:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello,Ponjit1234, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry you have had a long wait for an answer from us. Firstly, may I just say I am pleased to see you are now either creating articles within your sandbox, or as Drafts - rather than on your userpage. I know you didn't understand this at first, and it must have been confusing to be repeatedly told you were doing something wrong when you weren't sure what to do. (I'm afraid with such a huge encyclopaedia to manage, we do need to have rules that need following, though to a newcomer these can sometimes seem very hidden and mysterious at first. I'm sure you'll soon get the hang of it. (The trick is to listen to others and not repeat an action you've been asked not to do, but you can always politely ask for an explanation. It's also very easy for use more experienced editors to assume everyone else already know of these rules, when they probably don't.)

Now, you ask about inserting maps...These should only go in articles about geographic places. I see that so far you've been trying to draft articles about Indian police forces. I don't think we want maps in those sorts of articles as they could be found via the links you include to the appropriate towns, city or region they are in. That being said, maps are best added to articles about places using the Infobox at the very top of the page.

I confess that I am no expert on the intricacies of Infoboxes but, basically, you will need to add three things to the appropriate Infobox:

• the coordinates of the place (in the right format, of course!)
• the name of an appropriate background map you want to use (I usually look at an existing article of a nearby place and use the map name that that one uses!)
• a caption

If you edit the source for Guwahati, you will see that the very commonly used {{Infobox settlement}} is deployed. (There are alternatives at Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes#Geography_and_place). It requires the following parameters:

| coordinates = 26°11′N 91°44′E

| pushpin_map = India Assam#India

| pushpin_map_caption = Location of Guwahati in Assam

Be aware that other Infoboxes may use parameters labelled: |map=   and |map_caption= -but the effect is the same.

There are various ways to get coordinates for the place you're writing about. One common one is to use Google maps and click on the relevant place and copy down the coordinates that appear on screen - or drop in a pushpin on Google maps and copy/paste the coordinates from in the browser url box. If you notice the pair of two squiggly brackets in the coordinates parameter, this is actually calling up another special template to handle the coordinates. You can see the documentation for this at {{Coord}}. I'm afraid it's not the easiest thing to understand if you're not familiar with GPS coordinates, and the diffferent formats they can come in. But, again, simply looking at how pages on nearby places have handled coordinates can assist. In the demo shown here I simply copy/pasted the url from the browser, replace the comma between the Lat/Long figures with a | character, and it worked perfectly. Our Teahouse is now in a lovely part of the city of Guwahati in India. I hope this may have been of some help - come back if you get stuck. (Addendum: A new support page on Infoboxes has just been set up today. You might wish to ask at WP:IBASSIST if you feel you need further or better technical advice!)

I now have two questions for my fellow hosts to answer: a) I there a really good and clear Help page or section on this topic anywhere? b) Is there a single hierarchical List of map background areas available for reference anywhere? Found it at Template:Location map/List. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)  

How do I make my profile?

Some users have really cool profile pages and I was wondering how do I make mine look like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrlSlasher (talk • contribs) 01:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TrlSlasher. Please be aware that Wikpedia is not a social media site, and therefore, we do not have "profiles". Instead, we have encyclopedia articles and a variety of "behind the scenes" pages such as user pages. These user pages should not be seen as profiles but rather as descriptions of the person as a Wikipedia editor. Please read Wikipedia:User pages for a description of what is appropriate and what isn't. There are plenty of links that will help you build a user page.

All that being said, you have not yet made any edits to improve encyclopedia articles. That is the purpose of this project. I suggest that you contribute productively to the project for a while before trying to create a really "cool" user page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:36, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Youtube/Internet Creator Notability Question

I've noticed that the notability guidelines favor print sources and independent sources, which I generally think is a wonderful thing. What concerns me is how the notability of YouTube personalities is to be determined and measured. Seeing as print publications don't typically write about them, and how personalities may be known online without articles being written about them, how is notability fairly determined? At what point do they become notable enough for an article to be written about them? Coherbia (talk) 03:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)Coherbia

• This is a good point, but ultimately WP:BIO still applies to YouTubers just like it does to anyone else. This means that reliable independent sources need to discuss them in detail. Sure, as you said, many famous ones don't get much media attention at all, but this just means that they aren't notable enough for Wikipedia, even if thousands or even millions of people watch their videos. It probably seems weird, but that's how WP works; reliable sources are the only things that matter for notability. Every morning (there's a halo...) 03:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! That does help clear things up a bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coherbia (talk • contribs) 03:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing a military unit box

Hi Everybody.

I am beginning to make corrections and additions to the 158th Infantry Regiment page.

How do I edit the box on the upper right hand side of the page? I would like to make some additions to the list of notable commanders and add the unit's official patch.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuidado158th (talk • contribs) Courtesy link: 158th Infantry Regiment (United States)

@Cuidado158th: when you see a box on the margin like that, it's called a WP:Infobox. In this case, look for "Infobox military unit" and there will be a series of rows there that you fill out to display in the box. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Deletion reconsideration - person who deleted is now retired

Hi there! I had a question about an article being undeleted. The initial deletion discussion led to the article for Michelle McNamara being deleted and redirected to her husband's page Patton Oswalt. I put in a request for a "deletion reconsideration" for the article and was told to go back to the user who originally deleted the page. I wrote on their talk page back at the end of March. It was not responded to and the user has since retired and added a self-block. User_talk:Coffee#Michelle_McNamara_deletion_and_redirection_reconsideration. What would the next step be? Thanks for any help :) Mvocab (talk) 23:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mvocab:I think the process is to resubmit your request and mention that the deleting admin has retired. RudolfRed (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mvocab. Yes, the administrator Coffee has recently retired in a "blaze of glory", so will not assist you. The article in question was deleted properly as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle McNamara. I am familiar with the topic as I heard her husband interviewed at length on the radio a month or two ago. You can write a new policy-compliant biography and replace the redirect with that new content. An alternative is to write an article about her book I'll be Gone in the Dark, which is probably notable, especially since it is being made into a film. In either case, I recommend a "fresh start" instead of trying to restore the article deleted two years ago. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mvocab: I haven't seen the original, but for anything deleted "fresh start" is usually the best way. I'd suggest using WP:Article wizard and writing it as a Draft so you can get feedback on it. I would strongly advise you take a look at WP:Notability is not inherited so you can avoid any mistake of writing about her as "Patton Oswalt's wife". I mean it's good to mention that she is, but you can't solely focus on how she's famous for being his wife (since we have an article about him himself) so you need to focus on what makes her famous, including any news articles about her (which can include her untimely death), her book, etc. And/or you could write an article about her book, various ways to approach it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Page not made public after a month

Hi there, After submitting a page for review, I am curious as to why it has not been made public despite having numerous external sources. How long is the wait usually? Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnieM94 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@AnnieM94: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that your draft was reviewed and declined, then you made some changes and removed(I assume inadvertently) the template to allow you to resubmit it. I have restored the template so you can resubmit it for review. If you haven't already, please make sure that you have read the comments you were left. Once you resubmit it, please be patient, as reviews are conducted by volunteers and it will take some time. I believe the current wait is 6-8 weeks. 331dot (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnieM94 (talk • contribs)

AnnieM94 I would ask, are you associated with the film you are writing about? 331dot (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

No, just a fan of the film given that it was filmed in my home town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnieM94 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi AnnieM94 you have not yet resubmitted Draft:Scott and Sid (2018) since it was reviewed and declined on 12 March 2018. If you believe it is ready for another review simply hit the blue Resubmit button in the pink template at the top of the page and follow the instructions from there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @AnnieM94: I have accepted your article and made a few formatting tweaks. There is a formatting issue you need to fix though (that I've tagged at top) in that you have a lot of WP:Inline external links. If for example there's no page for actor Jay Q. Smith, you need to either wikilink it anyway (a "redlink") if you expect there might be a page about him someday, or just leave it unlinked. What you can't do is EL it to his IMDB page or something. So either wikilink the name (whether it be red or blue) or leave it unlinked. And you have a couple places that you have links that should be footnotes but you've left them as ELs. That's not egregious enough to hold the article back though, so I've Published it and just marked it so you can fix it (and remove the EL tag once you've fixed things). MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Reference other Wikipedia article in different language

Hi - I just recently added another Wikipedia page in different language as reference but was told this was not a valid reference, any reason for that rule? Just so I understand moving forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EgyptianSnow (talk • contribs) 21:55, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@EgyptianSnow: User generated sources are not considered reliable. This includes Wikipedia regardless of whatever language, especially because that can lead to circular sourcing. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi EgyptianSnow. As pointed out above and at WP:WPNOTRS and WP:UGC, Wikipedia articles are not considered to be a reliable source for any purpose. This makes sense because I can basically go to any Wikipedia article in any language and add, remove, revise content without any real effort .This means that the latest version of the article being cited as a source may not be the same as the one actually intended to be cited as a source; moreover, there's no guarantee that any content added by any editor to any Wikipedia article is not simply WP:OR. Now having said all that, it is perfectly acceptable to cite non-English sources in support of article content found in English Wikipedia articles per WP:NONENG as long as the source meets English Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source. This means it might be possible to use the source cited in these other language Wikipedia articles as sources on English Wikipedia. You have to be careful a bit careful though because not all Wikipedia projects are as rigorous as English Wikipedia when it comes to determining whether a source is reliable; so, a source which is considered OK by another language Wikipedia might not be considered OK here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

List of movies

Can I create a list of all movies of a TV channel ? There is an Indian kids channel which has shown a lot of movies. But it could not take place in the movies section as those are onced shown in that channel (though those have some repeatations). So I want to create a page listing all movies of the channel together. But I had not seen such page never in wiki. So would it be write to create such page?

User:AnkurHow (talk) 3:43 PM, 11 April 2018

Hi AnkurHow. If there was one particular movie which the channel aired for which it received significant coverage in independent reliable sources (maybe showing the movie was controversial in some way), then that might be worthy of mention, but otherwise, I would say no. Just going by the information you've provided above, it seems that such a "list of movies" would not be acceptable per WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. While it might be a fact that these movies were shown on this channel, such content sounds a bit trivial and not really something worthy of inclusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Cannot upload logo on Wiki common

Hello Everyone,

I wrote an article named Kelvin Institute of Technology in the year 2014. The logo of the college is my original work and I uploaded it. But in 2018, it was removed from wikicommons stating that it is violating copyright terms. How to make the system know it is my authorized work and successfully upload it. Thanks in advance. Priyanka Berry 07:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyankaBerry18 (talk • contribs)

Courtesy link: Kelvin Institute of Technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello, PriyankaBerry18 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are the creator and copyright holder of the logo, you would need to follow the procedure described at Donating Copyrighted Materials. Please do understand that this would release the logo for anyone in the world to use in any way, including to create modified versions. If you signed over rihts to the College, then you cannot do this. Usually logos are copyrighted and not released freely, and are uploaded to Wikipedia (not Commons) under a claim of Fair use. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 09:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@PriyankaBerry18: logos are almost always trademarked so you definitely wouldn't want to accidentally try to donate them by submitting to Wikimedia Commons. Instead look at the left side of your screen right now, below the Wikipedia Globe emblem, and about 15 lines down there is an "Upload file" link. Click that, and it will take you to an upload tool, and you select "Copyright but Fair Use" options, click the option for "Logo", type in that you're using it at the article specifically about the company the logo is of, etc. It takes a few minutes to figure out the form, but once you're used to it it takes like 3 minutes. Before uploading the file make sure it's no bigger than 300x300 and is not high resolution; that's because under Fair Use it needs to be just good enough to look non-crappy in the article, but not so good someone could copy it and use it elsewhere like a website or a t-shirt.

Hope that helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi PriyankaBerry18. Just to add that the file you uploaded was deleted by a Commons administrator named c:User:Christian Ferrer. File's which are deleted from Commons or Wikipedia are not gone forever, but rather only hidden from public view. Such files can be restored which whatever issues that led to their deletion have been resolved. So, if you'd like to know whether the file you uploaded can be restored and what things you need to do to have it restored if it can, post a message at c:User talk:Christian Ferrer and ask Christian for help. He will explain what you need to do. You need to realize that Commons only accepts files which comply with c:COM:L; so, if for some reason you are unwilling or unable to to do that for this particular file, then you only remaining option may be to upload the file as non-free content as mentioned above by MathhewVanitas. You need to be sure, however, that the each use of the file complies with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Greyhaven article overwrite

Hi, I've recently started using the vandalism detection tool STiki and tonight it presented me with an interesting little puzzle. There's an article called Greyhaven, which up until a few hours ago was about a progressive rock/metal band from Eugene in Oregon, who formed in 1996. They made one album, the self-titled Greyhaven, and then disbanded in 2000. This evening someone appears to have completely overwritten the existing Greyhaven article with brand new information, changing pretty much every conceivable detail! I can only deduce from this that there is another band called Greyhaven, from Louisville in Kentucky, who formed in 2014, and they happen to have used the same name as the other band. The editor, rather than creating a new page for this band, has chosen to just overwrite the earlier band and pretend they never existed, which I'm sure is totally not cool. It looks as if we maybe need two separate articles to be split off, with disambiguated names of some sort. Mind you, that might be tricky because they are both progressive rock bands so the title "Greyhaven (progressive rock band)" would apply to both of them too! Any advice please? Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:10, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Just so you know, I've taken it upon myself to contact the editor on their Talk page. I hope I have read the situation correctly. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Rodney Baggins, I reverted the article back to its prior state. Thanks for catching that. I too have added a note on the IPs talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I hadn't thought about the possibility of a copyright infringement but yes you're probably right there. As I picked this up via STiki, I now have to classify the edit one way or the other to move it out of my STiki watchlist. As it's been dealt with as a separate issue, I'll just mark it as Innocent so that STiki doesn't muddy the waters with any further notifications, even though the edit wasn't entirely innocent and probably warranted a Good Faith revert if nothing else, but that's already been implemented outside STiki. Thanks again for your help. Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Want to learn more about Wikipedia

Hello everyone! I am new to Wikipedia and would like to contribute here. Kindly help me by letting me know in what ways I can contribute. Thank you! ReeceMay (talk) 06:52, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, ReeceMay. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Community portal which will give you lists of various tasks that need to be done. Please also check out Help:Contents, which is a directory to many help pages. And feel free to ask questions here at the Teahouse any time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:05, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Greetings Cullen328! Thank you for the information and the links you provided. I look forward to help the community. Once again your help is appreciated. ReeceMay (talk) 08:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

you've got it wrong

I am the writer and director of '54' and '54: The Director's Cut'. Your page has so many inaccuracies that it's hard to know where to start, but I just attempt to correct some of them. I can provide press and physical production logs to prove the truth. This is frustrating that this has been wrong for so long and that your page will not allow accurate reporting. I always thought it was the far reach of Harvey Weinstein that kept the page like this, but now that he has been exposed for this type of behavior I'm surprised that I'm not able to correct this. What you have right now looks a lot like fake news to me. Let's fix this asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VincentIowa (talk • contribs) 06:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@VincentIowa: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you are disappointed with your experience. If you are Mark Christopher, you may need to confirm your identity with Wikipedia by emailing the address at the end of the paragraph here. You should also review the conflict of interest policy and formally declare the fact you were involved with making the film on your user page. If anything in any article is incorrect, please post your concerns on the article talk page(click "Talk" at the top of the article page to access). Please understand that Primary sources such as materials from the film can only be used in certain circumstances. Wikipedia is most interested in what independent reliable sources state about a subject. I noticed that you attempted to remove information about the film being given Razzies; that is valid article content. Articles can contain any information found in independent sources, good or bad. We are interested in hearing about anything that needs to be corrected, but it needs to be done in the correct manner.

You may also want to consider changing your username, as your current one suggests you represent the town of Vincent, Iowa. You can change your username at WP:CHU. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

331dot, do we really consider (possible, it's rather ambiguous) placenames Wikipedia:Username_policy#Usernames_implying_shared_use? Companies and orgs, sure, but places? We have users called Stockholm and London. And Earth. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I have seen cases where such a name was a government official or even just a chamber of commerce official representing a certain area. That doesn't seem to be the case here, so I see no need to take any action other than suggesting they consider changing it. There is currently no government official (or even government) that claims to represent the Earth. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, there's Earthgov... ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Question

I have published an article but it has two problems:

1) The title is incorrect

2) It is in English, but it is published on the French Wiki channel

I have looked for how to change these things, but cannot find the information. Can someone direct me to the right pages? Here, by the way, is the page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utilisateur:Dickturner/Brouillon Thank you, D Turner — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickturner (talk • contribs) 09:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

This seems a proper link: fr:Utilisateur:Dickturner/Brouillon. --CiaPan (talk) 09:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

It is published as a user subpage so it's not a huge problem. You can indicate your desire to have the page deleted by simply blanking the page and letting the process run its course, if you would like. If I may interject very quickly, before you attempt publishing the article here, please come to understand editors with a conflict of interest regarding specific topics and also what constitutes original research as well. It is quite probable that you will find some difficulty publishing your article because of your connection to the topic and the possible inability to include independent verification that I fear will befall you. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

About citation as 'Naver"

Naver is one of the biggest search engines in Korea.

Also, it has many service pages and one of the pages is the encyclopedia.

Recently I did many edits, that information from Naver's encyclopedia.

There was much useful information that is not on Wikipedia.

I know that the Naver as 'Search engine' is not allowed in the Wikipedia, but I strongly believe that links from 'Naver's encyclopedia' have reliability.

I hope that users stop deleting my edits, for the reason 'Naver is a search engine'.

--218.235.241.136 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@218.235.241.136: Is Naver's encyclopedia user-submitted like Wikipedia? If so we definitely can't use it, since we need sourcing to specific writers and publishers, not a crowdsourced group of people. And even if it is written by experts, another encyclopedia is a WP:Tertiary source and we need citations to WP:Secondary sources. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The general results of an inquiry to a search engine can never be considered a reliable source. Some individual hits may be reliable but only if evaluated properly. The fact that these hits came from a search engine is of no significance in evaluating their reliability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

This is the only edit by your IP address and we have five million articles so we don't know what your edits actually said. Naver#Naver Encyclopedia sounds like the reliability may depend on where Naver got the information if they say that. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Political positions of Cory Booker

Hi! I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, and while editing political articles I noticed that Political positions of Cory Booker needs to be merged with Cory Booker's biography, according to the notice at the top of the former page (dates back to March 2017). Can this be done by anyone? Thanks! JKen (talk) 16:51, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, JKen, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, anyone can perform the merge, and I'm sure your efforts would be appreciated if you did it. Step-by-step instructions are available at WP:MERGETEXT. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Cordless Larry! I'll give it a whirl. JKen (talk) 11:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

What if

What if I edit an article and the original article editor gets angry or upset also , adding images to articles does multiple editors have the right to remove or revert my edits on an existing articles talk to me more thisDashDog01 (talk) 02:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @DashDog01: can you please link us to the article where you're having trouble? That way we can look at the issue and offer more specific advice. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

DashDog has made hundreds of edits to own User page and Talk page, and several queries here at Teahouse, but has yet to make a single edit to any article. As a direct answer to the question, DD should look at an article's View history to get an idea of the cumulative effects of many editors adding to or subtracting from articles. It's not about any original article editor. No one "owns" an article. All editors are able to revert edits that they believe are wrong or do not add to the value of the article. Each editor is supposed to write their reasons for each edit in the Edit summary, at the bottom of the editing page. View history lists these explanations. In addition to what editors do, there are bots (automated programs) that search for and revert vandalism. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi I edited this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwordigoDashDog01 (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Question about subpage

Hi how do I create a subpageDashDog01 (talk) 12:50, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey DashDog01. You can create a user sub page by adding a "/" and the page name to your user page. So for example if you wanted to create a user sub page entitled awesome sauce, you would create it as User:DashDog01/Awesome sauce. GMG^talk 12:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Orphan Status

Would someone be able to tell me why this article - which I wrote yesterday - has been flagged as an orphan article? Especially seeing as their are multiple links in the article https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Arch_for_Arch

Thanks!Lindsay Clare (talk) 14:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

An orphan article means there are no incoming links from other articles. As you can see here, there's only one other article in Wikipedia that links to it. If you can fix that, you can remove the flag. --Jayron32 14:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

So, you'll need to consider adding a mention, a wikilink and a reference from the article on Desmond Tutu who, I seem to remember the page was about when I viewed your draft yesterday. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Question about removing derogatory information on BLP talkpage

Hello Teahouse,

Recently an editor made a derogatory comment on a BLP talkpage.

Is it permissible to remove comments from a talkpage? Would this qualify as a warning? This editor has made persistent negative edits to a few talkpages including this one, but they recently blanked their own talkpage so as to remove edit warnings.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Tracy_Grimshaw

Thank you for your time! SunnyBoi (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The editor has been blocked indefinitely for using a username impersonating that of a well-known celebrity. They may, of course, return under another guise - so vigilance on these articles may still be necessary. Note that it is acceptable to remove unsupported/derogatory comments left on talk pages, and also that blanking a user talk page doesn't remove their past contributions. These can still be viewed by anyone in 'View History'. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) for updating me, I'm glad to learn about this! That makes sense about the edit warnings still being in the history.

Also thank you to Theroadislong (talk) for doing a rollback on the talkpage, and to Yunshui ^雲_水 for addressing the editor in question.

I appreciate all your help in having resolved this! SunnyBoi (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to plagiarize material from the German encyclopedia into the English encyclopedia?

I found that an article doesn't exist in the English wiki, but it IS in the German wiki. I'd like to create this article in the English wiki, and it would save a lot of time if I just used most of the content and sources from the German wiki. Is this against the rules or otherwise frowned upon? Thx! Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mr. Daniel Plainview: It is allowed as long as you provide the required attribution. See WP:TRANSLATE. RudolfRed (talk) 20:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Understood, thank you for the information. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mr. Daniel Plainview: May I just add to the helpful answer that RudolfRed has given you by pointing out that each language's Wikipedia projects do have their own individual policies and criteria for things like 'notability'? So what is deemed OK in meeting notability criteria in one Wikipedia is not necessarily met on another. You might wish to look at this page for a summary of what 'notability' entails here, although there are lots of subsets of criteria for different topics, like artists, academics, sportsmen etc. It's always best to work on a draft before trying to put an article into the main part of our encyclopedia. You'd be most welcome to come back and ask us to take a look if you wish. Whilst non-English citations are quite acceptable, I think it really helps if you can also provide additional ones in the English language - but this isn't a rule. Google translate is a wonderful thing! Oh, and well done for getting all 15 badges in The Wikipedia Adventure - I hope you enjoyed doing it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mr. Daniel Plainview and Nick Moyes: I must warn you both that while using a machine translation (e.g. Google Translate) can help for a first pass, WP:MACHINETRANSLATION is fairly clear that you should proofread the result. When translating, you need to be comfortable enough in the target language to reasonably proofread the result and in the original language and/or subject to detect blatant translation mistakes. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely. That utterly goes without saying, Tigraan...though I probably should have said it! (Machine translation: Absolut. Das versteht sich von selbst, obwohl ich es wahrscheinlich hätte sagen sollen!) Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @Nick Moyes and Tigraan:, I will take your advice and work up a draft. I am planning to use Google Translate and using that as a working translation and kind of try to clean it up and fix the grammar. It's obviously helpful to have a German speaker take a look too. And thanks! I've been lurking on Wikipedia for years so the "boot camp" adventure thing was helpful to actually try my hand at editing and get my hands dirty. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm glad you enjoyed the 'boot camp' as you called it! Out of interest, can you link us to the German article? Personally, I'd do a Google translate and pop the result into MS Word, then create a draft/sandbox page and paste in all the reference urls from German Wikipedia. Then I'd work through each reference in Google Chrome (which has the inbuilt translation filter) and write in my own words what those references say about the subject, and just using the text in MS Word as a guide to ensure I'd covered key elements and referenced each fact. It's always worth looking yourself for sources, too. But we all work in different ways, I suspect. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)  

when i make changes do i always have to give sources?

.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PANJABI21 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey PANJABI21. As a general rule yes, when content in an article is substantially changed, the change needs to be based on published sources that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability. GMG^talk 16:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

How do I add a secondary source to my article?

My Baan Gaan article needs a secondary source or 5 dozen. --Jtarvin (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey Jtarvin. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it is possible to add secondary sources on this subject, because in looking around a little bit, there doesn't seem to be really any at all. There are certainly other wikis that permit unreferenced content, such as many fan-based wikia sites, but Wikipedia requires content to be referenced, and for subjects to have received sustained in-depth coverage in reliable published sources. Moreover, much of the content currently in related articles like The King of Braves GaoGaiGar is completely unreferenced, and is liable to be removed from the articles if no sources for the content can be found. GMG^talk 16:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Article review

I post about article I edited please review https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwordigoDashDog01 (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DashDog01 (talk • contribs) 13:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, what can I say, DashDog01? After 220 edits to your user page and talk page you've finally made four to an actual encyclopaedia article! Well done - that must be a record, my friend. We don't normally review small changes to articles but, as you ask, I think the flow of your English could be a little better in the two captions, and the paragraph you added on gameplay has a few typos (e.g. "the player as the ability.."). One sentence is overly long, too, I feel. I wonder, is the gameplay based on your personal experience or on a referenced source? If the latter, do please cite that source. Finally, I'm not totally convinced you've correctly licenced your screenshots on Commons, but I'm sure others can advise on uploading commercial software screenshots. You've definitely allocated the wrong category to the two images - the top tier category should be empty of all files. Hope you enjoy productive article editing from now on. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:59, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and please don't link to articles with full external urls - especially to mobile versions. This is a pain for everyone. Just use: Swordigo, i.e. use two square brackets either side of the page title. If you're on a mobile you'll still view it in that format, whereas others won't have to. NickM.

I edited from personal experience I haven't used sources and took the screenshots my self I don't do the copyright image thing I like being originalDashDog01 (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's patently untrue, isn't it? I'm really disappointed. What you've actually done is copied and paste, word-for-word, the text of this YouTube description of the game. This is not acceptable, and you should remove it immediately before someone else does. You may, of course, rewrite it in your own words, without closely paraphrasing the original text. And whilst we don't like YouTube as a reference source, for plot matters it's preferable than none whatsoever.

Well, in so far as you're writing about the plot of a game, no references may be acceptable, if kept short. See MOS:PLOT. But for all other content, users must be able to trace back what you have added to published sources to be sure that you have been accurate, but not simply copied what they've written. So do beware of not adding anything to this encyclopaedia from your own personal experiences, as no-one cares about those - only what other independent sources have written about the subject. If in doubt, leave it out. You might like to wander through this policy page on Wikipedia:Verifiability and Copyright Violation. We all have access to tools for checking for copyright infringements, so do please fix this as soon as possible and be extra careful from now on, please. Be aware that you taking a photograph of copyrighted software doesn't give you the right to claim that image as your own. We do have a thing here called 'fair use' but I'm a little unsure right now how this applies to gameplay images. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Update: After waiting a while for the editor to do it, I have now deleted the copyrighted section from Swordigo, leaving an explanation in the Edit Summary, linking to the copyrighted source. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I swear on my life I didn't not copy and paste anything I dont know wrong with you people always making such assumptionDashDog01 (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2018 And also I hardly ever use YouTube I have use in weeks now so where did you get the idea I would actually copy YouTube text and paste on wikipedia I think it because you don't have much faith in me😡DashDog01 (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Don't be silly. No assumptions have been made - my deletion was based on the evidence. I simply compared the YouTube text description and what you added. Identical! I'm always happy to apologise if I make a mistake, but I can't see one here. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: wasn't the copyrighted text already there, though? It looks like DD01 added some (unsourced, original research) text to the middle of the YouTube copyrighted text. Or am I missing something here? @DashDog01: Note that you can't add anything based on your personal experience to Wikipedia articles, so the text you added wasn't appropriate anyway. --bonadea contributions talk 16:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Bonadea: I believe I may well have been very mistaken, and assumed the section on gameplay, as shown by the diffs cited in this post were added by this user. I will, of course, check again (though must break off too prepare dinner for a few hours). However, I have since found the same text from 2017 used here. Right now I'm not sure which came first. However, I have checked further back in the article's history and have found the same copyrighted text used previously. So, I am recognising I almost certainly have acted very unfairly in accusing this editor (DashDog01), and that an apology will indeed be necessary from me. I will look further into this this evening and offer any apology in the users' post below and on their talk page. (I must go right now - dinner to prepare for the family). I have reverted the copyvio notice from the users' talk page and will communicate with them sincerely in a few hours when I am able to see where I probably made that error.Nick Moyes (talk) 16:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)   

• @DashDog01: It may be that you did not copy it from Youtube, but please don't "swear on your life" that you did not copy it from anywhere. Either you copied the text from the Youtube video, or you both copied it from somewhere else, or the Youtube video (uploaded a year ago) copied it from you, or you both typed in the exact same words by an extraordinary coincidence. The third seems impossible (I have faith in causality), the fourth has such a ridiculously low probability of happening that you might as well play the lottery, and the first two show basically the same. That is not a question of having "much faith in you" - if Jimbo Wales made the same edit, I (and I presume Nick Moyes too) would be frowning or laughing all the same.

Accepting you made a mistake and realizing you should not do it again is a good first step to a productive stay in Wikipedia. Lying against all evidence to cover-up for a copyright violation is the way to a much shorter and much less pleasant stay.

Housekeeping note: I will be requested rev-del shortly. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Please accept my apologies, DashDog01 - as Bonadea noted above, the content was added previously, and actually before the Youtube video. Sorry for that mistake - I would blame Wikipedia's poor display of what changed in an edit, but I am supposed to be aware of such limitations and check more carefully. Presumably Nick Moyes will also apologize, considering that Wikipedia's text predates Youtube's and hence no copyvio occured on Wikipedia (from you or anyone else). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I will indeed, Tigraan. I have already left a brief holding note on the user's page, and recognise how extraordinarily frustrating and upsetting it is to have unfair accusations levelled against one, as it now appears I have done to this new, and possibly, young editor. I will be looking into where and how I made that error and contacting the editor, DashDog01, in full, later tonight. I am very grateful to Bonadea for bringing the injustice, that I appear to have been responsible for, to light. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Unable to create a user page

Hello - I am trying to create a user page. I have done the search and received the message that the user name is available. Then I am welcomed (with this user name as if it does exist now), then I am told that this name does not exist. I am in an endless loop. Can you help me create my user page. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paoloneutrino (talk • contribs) 17:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi! It looks like your user page does exist. Here is a link to it: User:Paoloneutrino. Does that answer your question? By the way, please sign your posts on pages by typing ~~~~. That way we know who made the post. :) -- kewlgrapes (talk, contribs) 17:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

edit conflict- Dont worry, you do exist!- I started off your user page and your talk page for you just to break the loop of confusion. There is also a few links on your talk page which may come in handy for you as well.Curdle (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Looking for a confirmed editor to change an image

I am not a confirmed editor and we need to change the image for the wikipedia page for Abi Ann (singer with current image brown hair/red outfit). This needs to be changed to her facebook artist page image.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tally.bevis (talk • contribs) 21:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tally.bevis: We can only use freely licensd photos on pages of living persons. If the photo you want to use is freely licensed (usable for any purpose, not just Wikipedia), then it can be uploaded to commons [1] and used in the article. Otherwise, not. RudolfRed (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tally.bevis: I'm puzzled by your phrase "we need to change". Who are "we", and what is the "need"? Wikipedia is not part of any publicity promotion. I note that you have not declared any conflict of interest or paid editing. Dbfirs 21:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

We're part of Abi Ann's marketing team and by her request, she would like us to update the photo on her page to match her Facebook profile photo. I understand why the photo was flagged and removed due to copyright violations, but we do have permission from Abi Ann to use that photo on her Wikipedia page. What would you recommend is the best course of action to have the photo uploaded without being removed? I am new to the editing process, so if there's something I'm unintentionally missing, I would like to know so we can have this resolved as soon as possible.

Thank you! Tally.bevis (talk) 17:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Bibliography for an English author

A draft that I submitted concerning Constance Savery was criticized in part for its bibliography. I modeled it on a published article and seem to have made a bad choice. Can you recommend a better model? Thank you. Anobium625 (talk) 20:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The bibliogaphy doesn't seem too bad. But the reference list is very odd. Most of the "sources" you cite are novels by the subject and by other authors; these, of course, say nothing about the subject, and anyway being works of fiction are not reliable sources. I have improved the way the obituary in The Independent is cited. That is a good reliable source, which you could cite for more than just her date of death. Maproom (talk) 20:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Link to Explicit Porn images

When researching the McLaren MP 4/4 (race car), the 2nd para. has content saying: "all but one pole position in the 1988 season.[3]" The Link 3 was supposed to be racing Stats but I was taken to XXX Porn instead. I tried to edit the page and remove the link but I'm not sure how to do that. Porn doesn't belong here IMO..... Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lturn9 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lturn9, I wasn't getting any porn when I clicked the link but the link was dead and came up 404. So have rescued it with web archive. Thanks for bring it too our attention. NZFC^(talk) 22:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)