Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Featured log/June 2017

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Wipeout

Wipeout series

10 articles

Wipeout

Wipeout 2097

Wipeout 64

Wipeout 3

Wipeout Fusion

Wipeout Pure

Wipeout Pulse

Wipeout HD

Wipeout 2048

Contributor(s): Jaguar

It's finally done. This is a project I never really thought about doing till the last minute. It all started when I brought the first Wipeout to GA status back in autumn 2014, and then I got to doing them roughly in order throughout the next two years. With the final one given the green stamp yesterday, this should be good to go. It's been a pleasure. --JAGUAR  20:40, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Comment An article for Wipeout: Omega Collection also exists, so that should either be listed for peer review or redirected. Also the current scope of the topic would probably need the inclusion of the soundtracks. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that. There's virtually nothing on it yet, but I will of course get it promoted to GA once it comes out in the summer (although the release date is not yet confirmed). I don't know what the procedure is for upcoming titles—is it a grace period? The soundtracks shouldn't be included as they're not video games and could even be redirected themselves as I pondered bringing them to GA but found virtually no reliable sources to warrant an expansion. JAGUAR  11:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Reviews are recommended for games or products that aren't released yet. I suggest checking out the criteria page. GamerPro64 14:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

2c of the criteria states ...must have passed an individual quality audit that included a completed peer review, with all important problems fixed. I'm not sure how that applies here as the Omega Collection is a two sentence stub and is unlikely to be expanded until its release later in the year. I'm open to alternatives. JAGUAR  22:17, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Comment Support: I'm not sure what the standard procedure is, but considering that Omega Collection hasn't even been released yet I don't think that should render this topic ineligible. If it's a problem just redirect it until it gets released. I'd redirect or even PROD two of those three soundtrack articles regardless of whether soundtracks fall under the scope of the topic or not. Wipeout 2097: The Soundtrack appears to have some notability due to the AllMusic review, but not enough to warrant its own article. Why don't you merge it as a sub-section of Wipeout 2097? That would satisfy any concern for this nomination, but regardless I think it would be more appropriate anyway. Also just a minor issue that should be easily fixed - there's an open citation request at Wipeout 2097. Freikorp (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I've removed the unsourced sentence. It was one of my very early GAs after all! I'll check out the soundtracks, but I wouldn't worry about including them in this topic as they're not relevant. Final Fantasy has its own topic for music for example. I think they might be better off as subsections of their respective articles, I'll check it out. JAGUAR  22:17, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy to support this as it is, but I would prefer to see those soundtracks merged as sub-sections. Freikorp (talk) 03:33, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I've merged the soundtrack articles. The music sections in their respective articles should cover it as it turns out there aren't any reliable sources for the soundtrack themselves. JAGUAR  21:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Redirection/PROD was not discussed on the article/Talk pages first, so I am objecting to it here and now. Please go through proper channels now that the change is no longer unanimous. Thanks! SharkD  Talk  23:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Armbrust, Freikorp, GamerPro64. SharkD  Talk  23:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I would support a merger, BTW. SharkD  Talk  23:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I didn't realize Discogs.com wasn't considered reliable, so never mind. SharkD  Talk  23:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

• Support. Nice work! I think the Omega Collection should be merged into the series article, at least until some substantial detail is released, but the topic is complete either way. Good call on merging the soundtracks.  czar 04:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
• Support igordebraga ≠ 01:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 19:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Main Fire Emblem series

Main Fire Emblem series

13 articles

Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light

Gaiden

Mystery of the Emblem

Genealogy of the Holy War

Thracia 776

The Binding Blade

Fire Emblem

The Sacred Stones

Path of Radiance

Radiant Dawn

Awakening

Fates

Contributor(s): haha169

Many talented editors have brought all of these articles up to Good Article status. They are all quality articles and each one fits the GA criteria, so this topic fits the GT criteria. --haha169 (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Did you contact the editors who brought these articles to Good Article status about this nomination? GamerPro64 16:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

No I did not, and I didn't realize that it was a requirement until now. I've identified two who are still active, ProtoDrake and IDV, and leave a message on their talk page. --haha169 (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• I've said this before, but I still think it makes more sense to create a topic that includes all Fire Emblem games considering there are not that many of them. There are two remakes, both of which already are at GA, and two spin-offs (Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE and Fire Emblem Heroes), one of which is close to GA already.--IDV^talk 07:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Since you're one of the main contributors to making these articles, do you think the nomination should be closed? GamerPro64 16:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
    • ProtoDrake is the main contributor, I only helped with some copyediting etc and taking two of the articles through GAN. I think it makes sense to get Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE and Fire Emblem Heroes up to GA and including them in the topic, but I don't feel I have more say in this than any other editors.--IDV^talk 16:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• • • • I'm alright with it as it stands. These are the mainline titles, and they're all GA. Trying to bring all the games under a single banner will drag this nomination out indefinitely, particularly as there are three known Fire Emblem games that will release in the near future. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
• 👏👏👏 ProtoDrake did much (almost all?) of this on his own, and deserves a ton of credit. I disagree with the scope of the topic. "Main Fire Emblem series" is not independently notable but the series is, hence why we have an article on the series but not on the "main games". Scope should include Heroes, Echoes, the remakes with their own articles, etc. I don't think Tokyo Mirage should be included—there's a difference between a spin-off that uses characters/elements from the series and a spin-off that is a minor release perhaps not in the main releases but still in the series overall. Consider closing this nom until the other articles are ready/reviewed, and please verify with the main contributor (ProtoDrake) before nominating on their behalf. (Also FT intro paragraph should be expanded.)  czar 17:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Czar: What are your thoughts on Marth (Fire Emblem)? It would be the only remaining FE article after FE Heroes and the remakes.--IDV^talk 22:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I would choose to cover him as Ness is covered in EarthBound#Ness, which is to say that the character was made popular by Super Smash Bros, is known for this association, but there is little to say about that in any depth. The Ness section puts succinctly the most important details about the character and its affiliations without descending into the in-universe (Wikia-style) detail that haunts the current Marth article. I think someone could make a case for keeping it, as it's in that gray area, but I would just ask what benefit there is to see in coat racking for the in-universe detail when everything that needs to be said can be said within the character/plot section from one of Marth's games or the series article. If the article is kept, I'd include it within the topic scope (all independently notable elements of the series). czar 23:15, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• The current intro does not explain how the articles are linked together. Nergaal (talk) 10:06, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Wording may be better, but I've changed it to say: "...the series consists of twelve games plus two remakes and a spin-off game across multiple game systems." --haha169 (talk) 12:33, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
• Needs a book, but looking good so far. Jclemens (talk) 03:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not very familiar with books, but I found this: Book:Fire Emblem already made. --haha169 (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
    • Fixed that for ya. And having helped another Nintendo series get a (currently demoted) GT, think I'll Support your nomination. igordebraga ≠ 02:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
• Director Comment - Only one Support has been made for this topic. This nomination needs more discussion for a consensus to be made. GamerPro64 17:21, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support --PresN 01:19, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support a bunch of nice plus signs a good topic make! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 15:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Supplementary nominations

1. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Main Fire Emblem series/addition1