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Primary and secondary schools

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Improvolution (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Only a few short entries in listicles and trivial mentions. C F A 💬 19:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rosehill College (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find independent SIGCOV. There are news articles talking about the school but they are about incidents at the school rather than any deep coverage on the school. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and New Zealand. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Secondary schools in New Zealand are generally notable. There will have been in-depth coverage in the 1970s when the school was established, but those records aren't generally online. Schwede66 10:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I looked at Paperspast and didn't find SIGCOV in the first 20 results. The closest thing would be an article on an arson at the school but it's just run of the mill news reporting and nothing that can be usable for an article about the school specifically. Also see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Schools are no longer presumed notable. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Schwede66. The only newspaper covered by PapersPast for this era is The Press in Christchurch, and most likely The New Zealand Herald would have more coverage for an Auckland school. While most of the coverage in The Press is of routine sporting results, there was mention of the MBE awarded to the first principal and a defence against criticism by the second principal, which I've added to the article. I also added the 1998 arson because it follows an arson a few years earlier already mentioned in the article. The other interesting mention in The Press was Boy copies film lynching, but that could have happened at any school so I chose not to include it. I searched ProQuest for details of the earlier arson but couldn't find it, although there are many mentions of the college in it which might be useful to expand the article, and also Newspaperarchive.com. Both of these resources are available at WP:The Wikipedia Library.-Gadfium (talk) 21:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rosehill Intermediate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot find any sigcov of school. Everything I can find is just a trivial passing mention. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reykjavík International School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm unable to locate any sourcing that meets GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing++ 16:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a passing mention of the school in a brief article about a child winning a prize. It does not add to notability and I'm mentioning it for completeness.
This, in Vísir, is significant coverage in a reliable, independent source.
This also looks like decent coverage in a reliable source, Morgunblaðið.
Even accepting both those, we only have the defunct school website, archive here, and the stats report - the former definitely being a primary source, the latter more of a grey area - so not reaching WP:THREE, but will see what others say. Tacyarg (talk) 18:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The criteria for notability requires more than passing mentions. The Iceland Review is a passing mention about a student coming second in a competition. This in Visir is a "puff profile" that relies entirely on information provided by the school and their principal, it has no original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject which is part of the criteria for "Independent Content". Finally this magazine article in Morgunblaðið suffers the same faults - a "puff profile" which relies entirely on information provided by the teachers/school and with no in-depth "Independent Content" from a source unaffiliated with the school. HighKing++ 14:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Topics require in-depth "Independent Content" to meet the criteria for establishing notability and we do not consider information regurgitated from company documents or interviews, etc. Nýr einkaskóli í undirbúningi simply repeats information from the founding docs files on incorporation (says it several times in the article). This story in Timarit is about the school (unsuccessfully to date) looking for a place from which to operate and yes, the school is mentioned, but it contains insufficient in-depth information about the school. This other story in Timarit is reporting on the signing of the contract for the school and reports on who attended, where it is based, the number of students and teachers, the canteen, the subjects and the length of contract - all information provided by the school during this event and no "Independent Content". HighKing++ 14:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parks Junior High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a notable middle school. Being one of ~300 schools per year to have won a National Blue Ribbon Schools Program is not a claim of notability. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St. Joseph's Senior Secondary School, Kanpur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. The 1 source provided merely confirms someone attended this school. LibStar (talk) 01:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palawan National School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Marked as needing sources since 2021. Almost completely unsourced, and the one source provided is WP:PRIMARY to document the mission of the school. Summarizes the routine activities of the school. 331dot (talk) 11:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bukit Bintang Boys' Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unnotable school does not satisfy WP:GNG, some editor decided to remove PROD with no improvements what so ever. N niyaz (talk) 00:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is one example a mission school set up by missionaries in the early days in pre-Malaysia days, not that 'rare' yes, but they are getting there. In the current and foreseeable future of political climate and increasing Islamisation of Malaysia the number of these type of schools are on the decline (462 nationwide, 227 in peninsular Malaysia in 2011 [1] down to 420 nationwide, 191 in peninsular Malaysia in 2024 [2]. [Not that many of these schools have wiki pages written]. These schools have contributed in the Malaysia's early days as a nation to produce current and former leaders/notable persons. [Bukit Bintang Boys' Secondary School] is no exception (see its list of alumni). Not many schools among the 10,000+ currently operating schools in Malaysia can attest to that. Bukit Bintang Girls' School (also was a mission school, but sadly no longer exists) a sister school involved in its founding of BBBSS has its wiki page preserved.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 03:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still stand by my earlier reasoning for this page to remain, being: historical and a pre-Malaysia school that has contributed to the early nation-building.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 03:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The facts of significance you provided deserve a place at article such as Education in Malaysia instead of this school. The school is not inherent of notability because it has early contribution to humanities as a missionary establishment per WP:ORGSIG. The school is not inheritable of notability because it has notable alumni per WP:INHERITORG.
Issue with this article is the history and other notable events sections fails to WP:PROVEIT with reliable sources. Other part could be just WP:MILL content. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sections that doesn't have verifiable/sources should be removed those cases, not an outright entire page removal. It doesn't help the case that the name "Bukit Bintang" is extremely SEO unfriendly as a casual web search with those terms will refer to "Jalan Bukit Bintang, Kuala Lumpur" the tourist spot, instead of the school. There are sources out there but they aren't electronic accessible/one dead trees for the most part/or buried in older web archives.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is just barely some digital traces that remain to this day, eg. mentioned in passing: BBBS & BBGS as major mission schools in the country in its day[3]. C.M. Au Yong (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume removing them would leave nothing much left. A search at https://search.nlb.gov.sg/onesearch/Search?query=%22bukit+bintang+boys%22&cont=newspaper showing newspapers but irrelevant to article. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 04:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Being a mission school does not address the issue whatsoever, 420 or 191 is a big number to start with. Some of the sources cited in the article are also press releases and/or paid materials. And for your information, the enwiki is not for personal blogging and since it is the most spoken language it should be more stricter than mswiki. N niyaz (talk) 14:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Mission schools in Malaysia". The Edge Malaysia. Retrieved 2024-07-23.
  2. ^ "Directory of Christian Mission Schools in Malaysian (2024)" (PDF). Federation of Christian Schools Malaysia. Retrieved 2024-07-23.)
  3. ^ ""A Christian's response to ACIS seminar — Stephen Ng"". www.malaymail.com. Retrieved 2024-07-24.

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Relisting comment: We need to hear more opinions. Also, editors, please sign all of your comments in an AFD discussion so that other editors know whose opinion they are. We shouldn't have to look at the page history to find this out.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(420 or 191) Of that number not many have wikipedia pages (see List of missionary schools in Malaysia), the ones that do is rather incomplete/or not much to begin with (like Ong Kai Jin, has mentioned, not "much left"). They all need significant work. As for personal blogging comment (I have been on Wikipedia long enough to be aware of that, far longer than both of you persons commenting), I agree that some edits need not be in there. (I believe that's because of the comments, asking for school news updates on the article's talk pages).
Remember that most of these school wiki pages are likely came to be/created/edited by students or staff (during their years there). They likely don't monitor the pages unless they are a frequent/semi-frequent contributor with an up-to-date account on Wikipedia, If they aren't regulars they are even more so unaware of Wikipedia's editing/writing article standards. (So that's a really low bar to getting school articles deleted without much contest)
The school's article certainly does not satisfy Wikipedia's definition of 'notability', as it does not have easily verifiable records in the digital age. There hasn't been much coverage on the school in recent years.
I have said all I wanted despite the school's lack of notability according to WP:GNG, the school is notable to the general public in its time of founding among other notable schools of its time along the likes of Victoria Institution, Methodist Boys' School, Kuala Lumpur and should remain like its sister school Bukit Bintang Girls' School. As the school's alumni, I'll say, "Nisi Dominus Frustra". I'm done here, there is only so much one person can do to convince anyone. C.M. Au Yong (talk) 18:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I say that the newspapers of English-medium and Malay-medium in the country lacked representing voice on the development of the schools. See WP:SBEXT. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 11:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, your account although older than ours, your sole purpose of creating that account is to edit the article mentioned which most probably means you have a WP:COI. Also notability CAN NOT be brief, unless the subject receives significant coverage. N niyaz (talk) 09:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A search of “武吉免登男中” OR “武吉免登国中” OR “武吉免登中学” on Google showed some newspapers in Chinese mentioning the school but did not discuss on the school,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and this newspaper in Malay also.[7] Ong Kai Jin (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "人民力量接投诉.国中仍发《连环扣》". 星洲日报 [Sin Chew Daily] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). 2012-01-08. Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  2. ^ "杨美盈:征地包括灵17区及19区排屋.促公布金白大道路线详情". 星洲日报 [Sin Chew Daily] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). 2014-03-19. Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  3. ^ "灵市长:推广环保清洁 放眼30%市民参与3R". 南洋商报 [Nanyang Siang Pau] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). 2017-10-07. Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  4. ^ 刘, 佩明; 卢, 淑敏 (2021-09-20). "雪18岁以下 快来接种 MSU中心至23日 为27校服务". 中國報 [China Press] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  5. ^ "◤新冠又一年◢ 雪18岁以下快来接种 MSU中心至23日 为27校服务". 中國報 [China Press] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). 2021-09-20. Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  6. ^ 张, 慧慈 (2023-11-08). "推介《护航行动》经费补助计划 林鸿泰:鼓励更多学生学习华文". 东方日报 [Oriental Daily News (Malaysia)] (in Chinese (Malaysia)). Retrieved 2024-08-06.
  7. ^ Razali, Safeek Affendy (2016-02-28). "Dua mati, 2 parah kes serangan kumpulan kongsi gelap". BH (newspaper) (in Chinese (Malaysia)). Retrieved 2024-08-05.

Universities and colleges

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Daaru Salaam University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NORG. All sources from it's own website. Cabrils (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Social Sciences University of Ankara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The page was a redirect of a different university so i deleted the redirect and now the page is empty Editor of Universities (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete we have enough unreferenced AI translated garbage as it is. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Other school or university articles

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School or university organisations proposed for deletion

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To check articles which are being proposed for deletion search by date at Category:Proposed deletion or see the summary of PRODs at User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary. It is common to find schools of all types on this list.