User talk:Tony Holkham/Archive 1

Archive 1

April 2013

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Mona's Queen (1934). Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. Alexf^(talk) 12:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Sorry Solarra but this last warning is unwarranted. Edit in question was not vandalism. -- Alexf^(talk) 14:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, sorry friends :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀}

Thanks, both. I have asked the question (should have done in the first place...) on the article's talk page Mona's Queen (1934). Tony Holkham (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome! Sorry it's not bitter

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Thanks, you have done there what I intended to do; something went wrong with my pop-ups, which also accounts for the somewhat cryptic edit summary. I hope you enjoy being a Wikipedian! RolandR (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Haslemere Educational Museum

Hi, I'm Jrcrin001. Tony Holkham, thanks for creating Haslemere Educational Museum!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. I know you just started this article. Take a look at Natural History Museum, London and add some related categories and an info box. You are off to a good start, keep working at it!

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Jrcrin001 (talk) 03:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for comments on Haslemere Educational Museum - I made a silly mistake in the small hours by creating the article directly and also from the sandbox - still learning. Looking forward to developing the article and will make any other comments on Talk:Haslemere Educational Museum. Cheers! Tony Holkham (talk) 10:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Pembrey Airport

I have admired some of your editing and use of English. Could you look at "Pembrey Airport" page? It seemed to me to be more promotional than Wiki. I have tried removing some of that, but I feel more radical surgery is needed. What I did was likely wrong. I am new, and instructed to be BOLD. The "RAF Pembrey" page covers the history. By the way I am hopeless at CapiTaliSatIon and spelling. SovalValtos (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comment, and hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia as much as I am. I'm fairly new myself in terms of experience, but learning all the time. As far as Pembrey Airport is concerned, I have noticed that it often happens that information gets duplicated across related articles, and I don't believe it matters - people use Wikipedia as a quick reference a lot of the time (I do) and don't want to navigate through a lot of "see alsos".

Yes, be bold, but if you want to make major changes to an article it's worth mentioning it first on the article's talk page - that way, anyone who is watching the article will feel included and will probably be supportive. I usually do that, and leave it a couple of days to see if anyone's interested; if not, I make the change. It's a good idea to watch any article you edit, at least for a short time.

There is a spellchecker in the editing window. As for Capitalisation, don't worry about it. By the way, you don't need to put the 4 tildes in the edit summary box, only the edit window. Let me know if I can answer any questions. I'll have a look at Pembrey Airport now. Tony Holkham (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for quick response. "See also" point taken. Moderating influence of mentioning on "Talk" and "Watching" taken on board. However hijacking for commercial interest stiffens my sinews and summons up my blood, so I might not be able to resist an immediate intervention. You are more likely to come across me as adding images to pages from your old stamping ground.SovalValtos (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough! Trouble is, for Pembrey Airport, there's not much out there to cite, so picking from commercial data is sometimes inevitable. By all means re-write in a more encyclopaedic way.

You'll see I've undone your edit on Churcher's College for the reason given; hope you'll think that's fair. If not, suggest we discuss on the Talk:Churcher's College page.

You should also indent paras on talk pages using the colon - easier to follow discussions.

By the way, you might be able to answer my comment on Talk:Tilford as I see you're interested in cricket... Tony Holkham (talk) 23:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure about putting tildes in edit window. I tried it on Tilford with the newly found signature and datestamp button, with unintended consequences.

I think that the lack of non commercial references to cite for Pembrey Airport lead to the conclusion that it is best not written about, rather than using advertising. SovalValtos (talk) 10:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I see the prob. I should have said only TALK page edit windows, not the main article edit window, sorry. Each talk page section is a conversation, hence the need for indentation and identification. You never need the tildes in the edit summary box.

The question of commercial information will run and run. My view is that the main aim should be to look for alternative citations rather than just deleting information. As long as everyone knows exactly where the info came from, they can make up their own minds whether it is neutral or biased.

Impressed with your many edits in such a short time. Wikipedia needs high-volume editors. Always take care, though, to consider edits in advance and use talk pages - that's what they're there for. Have fun. Tony Holkham (talk) 10:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Tenby

Thank you for the Tenby tidy. I thought I might have been too drastic and so left a few words. How did it get to be as it was? SovalValtos (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Don't think you were drastic enough - seems quite heavy reading to me with too much complex explanation of technical aspects. Some of Wikipedia's RNLI articles seem to be taken straight off RNLI websites which aren't themselves always easy to read. If I were you I would rewrite it substantially - be bold. Sorry, didn't understand your question: "How did it get to be as it was?". Tony Holkham (talk) 19:12, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I only re did one section. That was hard work, trying to understand and to keep the original sense(?). "How did it get to be as it was?", was more a cry of despair than a question. I am not sure I want to take on a project amending all RNLI entries yet. I am still feeling my way at editing, finding what response there is to interventions, if any. SovalValtos (talk) 19:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The way I do it is (a) look at the talk page and see what current interest there is, (b) look at the edit history, ditto and if there's no recent interest, go for it. If there is recent interest then I give my opinion on the talk page, wait a few days and see what happens. If still no input, do what you think. If you follow that process as a general rule, "interventions" are unlikely to be a problem. Wikipedia is about consensus.

Not suggesting you tackle all the RNLI articles!! This one, though, does need work. If you want any input from me, just ask - I'm very familiar with the RNLI as I wrote one of their regional magazines for 5 years.

And don't forget you can use your sandbox (a tab on your user page) to experiment without touching the article. Just click the article's "edit this page", select the content, copy, then click "cancel at the bottom, then paste it into the sandbox and play around with it. You can use the reverse process when you're happy with it. Just make sure you retain anything in curly brackets {{. Tony Holkham (talk) 20:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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I was wanting to thank you for the new page and have spent the morning trying to find how the 'thank' system works, so far with only partial success. So here are my thanks. The reason for moving (not deleting) Derllys Hundred, is that the guidance I have seen, suggests the Lead should refer to material below in the Body, rather than introducing new. I was not bothered about the lack of ref, but as I had never heard the term 'Derllys Hundred' before, my research got me to the page you have now introduced as the ref. I did not find it very imformative. SovalValtos (talk) 12:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I mistook your move for deletion, so apologies for the sharp response.

If you want to thank someone for an edit, go to "difference between revisions" and click on "thank". Or, as you have done, leave a message on the editor's talk page, or the article's talk page.

Creating a new article is a delicate process and you may not have realised I only started it last night. It's always a good idea to look at the page's history and talk (if any) before making an edit.

GENUKI is a good source to use because they add citations themselves, so you always have an original source. Without GENUKI, Wikipedia would be the poorer in terms of the history of places.

It's fine to track another editor's contributions (some editors don't like it, but that's their problem...) so you can contribute yourself, and I see you have made many helpful edits on pages I'm watching. However, statements in the lead do not normally (in my view) need to be cluttered with citations as it spoils the flow. You were quite right to spot that it was in the lead, and not in the body, but as I have only just created the article I will be putting things like that right as I work on it. Long way to go.

All the best Tony Holkham (talk) 12:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I did know it was a new creation and can understand sensitivity to early edits. Now you have created it I hope you don't mind me editing. I am not yet, at 7 weeks of editing, up to creating an article.

I quite agree that statements in the lead do not need to be cluttered with citations, the citations should be in the section of the article that the lead is sumarising. So far there is nothing about Derllys Hundred in the body to be sumarised. Whether it should go in History, Governance or Location is a matter for judgement.

You are quite right I do look at three editors' contributions regularly. It is a good way to learn. This time I have learnt from you how to layout sentences in Talk by using the same number of colons again.

Like this! SovalValtos (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Of course I don't mind - nobody owns articles on Wikipedia.

Information about hundreds, commotes, APs, CPs, communities and the like are a minefield, and I guess they should go in history, as most of them are archaic concepts.

Glad you're enjoying editing. There's nothing to stop you creating an article on a notable subject (use the sandbox to put your thoughts in order) - Wikipedia is littered with red links that you might want to consider. Go for it. If you want to see how an article looks in format, click on "edit this page" on any good article, copy the text into MS Word (for example) where you can study the layout and syntax at leisure, then click "cancel" so you don't change the page you are studying. Let me know if you need any help. Tony Holkham (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Rocks and Islands

Hi Tony, I declined your various speedy deletion requests as the articles in fact do have content. As geographical features they most likely would even pass an AFD. They are also interwikilinked to another language wikipedia. What you could do though is take those smaller items out of the Pembrokeshire template. Agathoclea (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Understood, and thanks very much for the explanation. Tony Holkham (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry the above message was sitting on my browser for some time otherwise you would hae had it earlier. I have seen you editing around Pembrokeshire articles recently. Your efforts are much appreciated. Agathoclea (talk) 12:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm enjoying it enormously; still learning though. Thanks again...Tony Holkham (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The old trackbed at Cardigan

Hi Tony. Thanks for your recent edit regarding the trackbed between Cilgerran and Cardigan (through the Teifi Marshes and Wildlife Park). We didn't know about it, the entrance at the Cardigan end being easily missable, but thanks to your edit we sought it out while we were down there this weekend. A glorious walk in the sun! I also took a couple of pics of the tractor and landrover at Poppit lifeboat station - another of your interests - and have added these to that page. Came home with considerable suntan! Regards. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 17:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

It is brilliant, isn't it, and peaceful, and plenty of insects (which I have a passion for), and not that well known. I'll add it to Pembrokeshire Coast Path#Offshoot trails. There's another round Cilgerran Gorge but haven't done it myself. One day soon, prob. All the best... Tony Holkham (talk) 19:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Missing?

Don't know whether you'll see this, SV, but you seem to have gone missing since 27 June and I'm hoping you're on hols and not put off editing by the hidden agenda of some editors who just love discord. Contact me by email (left hand column) if you want. Otherwise, hope to see you back soon. Tony Holkham (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Wales Barnstar
		For taking the time and care to update articles of Welsh interest - particularly Pembrokeshire - to a high level. Diolch. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

How lovely! I'm quite taken aback. Thank you VERY much. It's a fascinating area and I'm enjoying finding out more about it through editing. Tony Holkham (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for fixing the article at St Davids Lifeboat Station without rancor. Bearian (talk) 15:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, thank you! Diplomacy is not my middle name, but editing Wikipedia is such a pleasure. Cheers! Tony Holkham (talk) 15:46, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Roads fan?

Hi Tony Holkham, I've noticed you have improved several road articles recently. You might like to consider adding your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_Roads#Members, more contributors are always welcome! It gives a useful reference on which articles are most in need of attention (ie the higher-importance, lower-quality end of the table). Cheers! Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 10:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Baldy Bill, I'll probably do that, though I've only tended to edit those roads I know well, and hoping I'm editing in the "right" way, and trying not to make them read like a gazeteer or just a list of links to places on the route. Trying to find any history, though the most interesting part to me, is difficult. Any tips on that aspect? Cheers... Tony Holkham (talk) 10:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Tony I just realised that I had never answered your question. I tend to lean very heavily on google searches, particularly the technique of enclosing all or part of my search in quotation marks to match exact phrases; or sometimes finding the archive section of the local authority's or local newspaper's website and searching there. The SABRE website is also a good place to start looking for snippets but caution must be used because this is also a wiki. It is accepted as a low-grade citeable source because it is edited by people with knowledge of the subject but should never be the only cited source in an article; again putting the SABRE text into google will sometimes throw up a more reliable source. Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 22:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

A477 road

Hi Tony, just a courtesy note to let you know that I've partially reverted your edit to the Route section of the A477 road. Such material has been the discussion of deletion discussions in the past, and the junctions are summarised in a standard format within the infobox. Junctions with B-roads are not normally included in the list, nor is the type of junction (unless the junction is notable in its own right eg Gravelly Hill Interchange). The relevant Wikipedia policy guidance is WP:DETAIL, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NOTGUIDE. Thanks for your enthusiastic support of UK roads! Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 21:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Understood, and thanks. I'll try to take it all on board. I'm very interested in helping to develop roads articles - I checked the talk page before adding to A477 road, and wasn't aware of any deletion discussions as I haven't done much road editing. Thought A40 road was a good guide (I may not be right about that), which does give a great deal of info. Any guidance you can give on how the lesser A roads such as the A477 road should be developed (if at all) - I'd appreciate it. Cheers... Tony Holkham (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

(if at all) - no, definitely go for the improvement every time. Having edited scores of road articles does not make me more right than you, and WP is all about consensus and communication which is my rationale for leaving the note in the first place, many editors would just slap the deletion on without any seeking consensus. I don't refer to specific discussions on the A477 article but on roads discussions in general which are often accused of WP:CRUFT. I don't have time just now to look up the various roads discussions I happened upon a couple of years ago but they are there somewhere for the finding. The key to the process is to try and gauge what the "average" reader expects to see in the article, as one editor pointed out recently some of the people who read roads articles are against cars and road development. The A40 article is overdetailed and underreferenced which is what makes it miss out on a B-class rating; there should ideally be at least one quality reference per section but it could be the reason there aren't more references are that not many publications actually write in detail about the route and history of an individual road... thereby bringing into question the notability of the content (although being an "international" road it warrants a more detailed article than the A477, but definitely needs making a bit more concise, I'd say about a third less words). Although I disclose a vested interest A381 road has been independently assessed as B-class and is probably at the maximum level of detail warranted by a county road, noting that there are references in most paragraphs. Hope this is useful to you, and that the roads articles will continue to improve faster than our elected bodies improve the roads themselves! Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 20:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I've just read A381 road and thought it was good, so thanks for that and for your comments, and amen to your last comment. I take your point on the A40 article, too.

I'd be interested in your opinion of B4329 road (a well known tourist attraction in this neck of the woods) which I thought notable enough for an article, and the A478 road which I've been trying to improve, and how they measure up. Not sure how the classification works, though (they are both stub class). Thanks again...Tony Holkham (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Criteria are no secret: Roads-specific criteria - Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_Roads#B-class_drive, general criteria - Wikipedia:Quality#Grades. Will have a look at those articles in a bit :) Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 20:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts on B4239 - a nice informative article. As you've asked for my review I hope you won't mind me dissecting your work and also hope that this doesn't appear overcritical, the bits I don't mention basically carry praise!

• Lead section - would be useful to have a stronger indication of the road's fame as a tourist route. I've adjusted the length and provided a reference to the fact. B-roads have generally been deleted as non-notable unless well-known. Have any motoring or lifestyle magazines published any articles in appreciation of the road?
• Route section - is falling slightly foul of the WP:NOTGUIDE thing I alluded to in the edit summary on A477 road; the elegant prose reflects your standing as a professional author but is a bit too descriptive for Wikipedia; for example, "Sheep and ponies graze on the moorland in the warmer months and skylarks can be heard" for me conjures up a nice mental picture of the surroundings but it would not be considered notable as it would be true of much of rural Britain. Also the section really does need some referencing as another editor has the "right" to wipe the lot with no comeback as it is an unreferenced statement.
• Infobox - most route articles use an infobox to save on prose which especially helps readers on tablets and smartphones as it groups core information in a universal format. The syntax can be copy-pasted from Template:Infobox_road.
• Images - as on a display there are quite a lot of images compared to the amount of text I feel they could better be grouped into a Gallery section at the end, per Wikipedia:Gallery#Image_galleries.
• Verifiability - My advice has to be not to let your local knowledge cloud the encyclopaedic process. Bizarrely, per the core WP policy of WP:NOR, an edit made by someone who has never driven the road but has read a guidebook on it overrules an unreferenced edit by someone who has driven it. I had the same problem with the A381 as it is in the county where I live; I had to find published sources for local knowledge, and ended up removing some material from the draft because I couldn't reliably source it. I have also added material to articles on subjects I know little about when checking spurious claims, when I have found a reliable source I have either verified or corrected the claim and sometimes found something else pertinent in the source to enhance the article. Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 21:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

A478 road - looking good now, just the referencing needs attention. I'll add a ref for the length as a starting point. Another thought - from google maps it looks like the road originally ran to central Cardigan - if there is a ref (eg council archive) from when the bypass was built it would be good to put this in the history section. Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 21:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent stuff, and thanks for taking the time to review the articles. I don't want to belabour the points, but a couple of things on B4329 -

(1) I understood galleries were discouraged in favour of illustrating the text and

(2) as far as the route is concerned, the list of (or prose about) the places a road passes through is not open to debate - a specific (eg OS) map will verify them, but I'm finding it difficult to reference in any other way. Many of the features I include (apart from the skylarks!) are marked on the OS map - will that be enough, with perhaps grid refs?

Hope I'm beginning to see roads articles in a more encyclopaedic light, so will see what I can do to improve these and others after some digging. All the best... Tony Holkham (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Please keep your digging to the B4329 and fill in the holes on the B2070.SovalValtos (talk) 11:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Liphook Photos

A problem seems to have developed with photo links. I will not interfere SovalValtos (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

It was strange, and I've never seen it before, but it seems to be OK now, all on its own. Cheers.... Tony Holkham (talk) 20:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Maybe just a computer moment. A separate subject; should new subjects start on new lines? In Sport, golf would have a new line, in Attractions Carnival SovalValtos (talk) 11:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I haven't looked for a guideline on this, but my take on it is that if there's not too much to say on a subsection, then it looks better in one paragraph, otherwise it gets a bit "list-like" and doesn't flow. I suppose it's a toss-up between list and narrative styles; I tend to go for the latter but it's not necessarily the "right" way, of course.

Incidentally, what do you think of the history sections? They seem a bit wordy to me (as well as short on citations). Tony Holkham (talk) 12:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I will try to look at the History later. Tuppe made me scratch my head. The context did not suggest anything to do with sheep. My old SHorter OED did not help either. Typo? SovalValtos (talk) 13:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

This discussion copied to Talk:Liphook Tony Holkham (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Lifeboat station fleet table format

Copied from Talk:Happysailor

Hey Tony. Heres some info that should help:

For dates, you need to use the en dash (–) without spaces. (i.e. 1978–1994) - you can find it in Special characters/Symbols next to m³ in the table.

For class's, you use {{Lbc}} to give Trent-class.

For ON No's, it looks better if you put ON on each line (i.e. ON 1126)

For Op. No's, just 47-12 for 'big' boats, but actually D-752 for inshore boats.

Names should obviously be in italics, and if they have their own article, you link it via the name.

For other style stuff, class's should always be styled as: Mersey-class, or if you're linking it you can use the {{Lbc}} shortcut (Mersey-class)

Easy links to lifeboat articles can be done using the {{RNLB}} shortcut. (i.e. RNLB Keith Anderson (ON 1106))

This ensures that styles are consistent across Wikipedia. I've edited the first last line on the tables in that article so you can see it to do the rest of the table. - Happysailor ^(Talk) 23:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

SFHG

Notability isn't just down to the organisation, it also requires the article to show it by reference to independent sources. Nearly all the sources you cited are published by SFHG. I hope you have some independent info. Bazj (talk) 13:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

To editor Bazj: I take your point, though 4 of the 7 refs cited are from independent sources. I am looking for more, hopefully in published works. Give me a day or two, if you can. Cheers... Tony Holkham (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have looked deeper. I've marked the article as patrolled so it should be safe. Even so, the more the better. Regards, Bazj (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I've found three or for more refs which I'll add later. Your input's appreciated. Best wishes... Tony Holkham (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

BNA & Farnham Herald

Having found out what the BNA was, I had a look to see if the Farnham Herald was on. I think the answer is no. I intend to visit Farnham Museum and library, both of which may have micro film archive. A friend used to visit a newspaper archive in (I think) Hendon to read what I thought were hard copies. I never went. Free BNA via WP would probably be wasted on me as I suspect there are others more diligent, active and deserving.SovalValtos (talk) 11:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

BNA are adding more every week, so probably only a matter of time... the archive used to be in Collindale. Tony Holkham (talk) 12:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for creating Aberystwyth Lifeboat Station. Microchip08 (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

To editor Microchip08: Thank you very much! My favourite tipple. The more I do on lifeboats, the more I realise how much there is to do. But it's great fun. Cheers! Tony Holkham (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Coast Path

There is another vague section at the north of Borth (Ynyslas) where the connection to the next section north is undefined. I spent a while trying to find out, but gave up after dead links etcSovalValtos (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

There isn't a Gwynedd Coast Path article or, as far as I know, a Gwynedd Coast Path. After the north end of the Ceredigion Coast Path there is only the Llŷn Coastal Path, which says it takes in part of Gwyndedd, but only from Caernafon northwards. The crossing over the Dyfi (I.e. between Ceredigion and Gwynedd) nearest the coast is at Machynlleth. According to the map in Wales Coast Path#Component sections, the Llŷn Coastal Path's southern end is in Machynlleth (which is just in Powys). Confusing, or what? Probably needs some discussion on Talk:Llŷn Coastal Path (if anyone's watching it, that is). Tony Holkham (talk) 13:49, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

It might be worth a phone call or two. Authorities are being shuffled and renamed. Interactive maps being referred back to old site. I am not even sure that a continuous path exists. Towns are a grey area as well as the Dovey/Dyfi gap.SovalValtos (talk) 19:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Tony Holkham (talk) 10:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Did you know

The St John marine division/lifeboat(s) might be worth working up for a "Did you know". Which page would be best I am not sure.SovalValtos (talk) 12:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK and GA are not aspects of WP that I would be interested in pursuing (sounds like hard work to me...), though as you say might be worthwhile. Which page? I don't know, either! I had a brief look at them, and would imagine some effort needed. Tony Holkham (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Someone must find DYK fun. Count me out as well. Effort is not effort when one is enjoying work! I have been interested in the niches editors find in Wiki.SovalValtos (talk) 02:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Silver Medals

Worth a look http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/royal-national-institute-for-the-preservation-of-1-c-gmef9f5o8x?afRedir=true

from page https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/RNLB_Mary_Stanford_(ON_733)SovalValtos (talk) 00:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

FindMyPast access

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New user at Beacon Hill Suggestion

Could you great Skeletonarcher who has arrived in the appropriate way? I do not know how to do it.SovalValtos (talk) 07:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos:

I use this format - Just copy (in edit mode) the text below and paste into Skeletonarcher's talk page (I've substituted your name)

Welcome

Welcome to Wikipedia, Skeletonarcher!
Thank you for your contributions. I am User:SovalValtos and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page (linked here)

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• Introduction
• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page
• Help pages
• How to write a great article

Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) – that will automatically produce your username and the date.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. (and sign)

Tony Holkham (talk) 10:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Tony for the above, but I do not feel I can contribute positively in that way, partly because of my inexperience and incompetence so would not want to say I had been editing for some time and imply I knew more, but I am better one to one rather than in writing. Please could you do it? My gut feeling was that here is potential to be encouraged.SovalValtos (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: I don't think you're being quite fair to yourself, but yes I'd be happy to do it. Tony Holkham (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Mick Schumacher

Thanks alot for tidying, that looks much better. regards --Pitlane02 talk 11:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

A pleasure. I didn't realise he had been racing for some time. All the best. Tony Holkham (talk) 11:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Until yesterday, me too. But yesterday the international press is detonated. ;-) regards, --Pitlane02 talk 12:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I've picked up two stories in the British press today that I'll add to the article. Tony Holkham (talk) 12:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Reply to deleted

Not good. Anything other than the simple standard font is another obstacle for early users to overcome. Additionally 'Talk to me' sounds a bit like a porn site hostess. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it ,is a good version though. There was an edit conflict as you deleted your testSovalValtos (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't follow (early users?, and especially the bit about porn site hostess). Please explain. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk to me) 13:50, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

For early user, read an editor new to Wikipedia. I found when I was a very new Wikipedia user and editor that anything other than the standard font and colour in a signature was confusing. In fact some of the changes from 'Talk' as the second part of the signature were so odd that I did not realise that the new text might lead to talk. I am finding it difficult to explain about the phrase 'Talk to me', it just looked a bit like a hooker's chatup line, eg I'm Cindy - talk to me, rather than a link to a Wikipedia editor's talk page. Also a demand rather than a polite request. I am likely over sensitive.SovalValtos (talk) 14:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: Thanks, and noted. But you must get out more... ;o) Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Heath Pond, Petersfield, 060905 lake boats b&w (Tony Holkham).JPG

Thanks for uploading File:Heath Pond, Petersfield, 060905 lake boats b&w (Tony Holkham).JPG. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information.

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 Done Uploaded properly now. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

ANI

The page I referred to was WP:ANI or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. I would not advise reading for too long. SovalValtos (talk) 05:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Phew. Good advice. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:59, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S. WP:EL/P was useful. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Salty source

I am not quite sure where this might be used but it might be worth being aware of (if you were not before) http://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/utilities/action/act_download.cfm?mediaid=44071&langtoken=eng I was looking for a ref on hills and bends on the A475 and thought that "caravans" as a search term might help.SovalValtos (talk) 19:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what to make of it. It's undated so possibly not of use, except that it seems to give some sort of priority when it comes to gritting/salting. The whole of the A475 is covered under different routes. Thanks. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

This is where the pdf came from. http://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/English/Resident/Travel-Roads-Parking/Highways-During-Winter/Pages/default.aspx SovalValtos (talk) 06:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For all your work on the Digital inheritance article! :D — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jeraphine Gryphon: Thank you - how kind. Not finished yet, but hopefully a little clearer (to me, anyway!). Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Community

I nearly missed the link to community (cymuned) in your Rudbaxton page. Not being familiar with the specialist meaning of the term, I could not understand why it was being used. Having seen the link things are clearer. I think it would be helpful in other Welsh articles to point the link. I am not sure that just adding (cymuned) piped, as I have done, is enough, but it may be. What do you think? It would be useful to have a common method of indicating community has a special meaning in Wales before changing other pages.SovalValtos (talk) 05:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

We don't need to explain "community" to Welsh WP readers. As for readers from the rest of the world (apart from England, where civil parish is the local government area), they can get the definition from the blue link. I think your change is unnecessary and the implication is that we should make the same edit for the hundreds of other communities in Wales and the thousands of village and other articles where community is mentioned. You could, though, raise the question on the WikiProject Wales.

By the way, I was going to expand on the "other buildings in Rudbaxton (see my comment here) but I see I was wrong to assume "mansions" (a common term in Pembs, round here, anyway) were included. Which leads me to a question of my own - I suppose I should know, but what does "ce" mean in your comments? Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Simple answer first; ce stands for copyedit. See Wikipedia:Basic copyediting, How to do basic copyediting, step three.SovalValtos (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Not listed in abbreviations. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Edit summary legend. I had not come across either list until now! SovalValtos (talk) 11:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the Wikipedians are encouraged to write accurate and detailed summaries camp, though I don't always stick to it. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Another Barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your recent efforts with Welsh place infoboxes. They really improve articles! ♦ Diolch am y gwaith caled! ♦ Hogyn Lleol (talk) 10:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr, User:Hogyn Lleol. I'm learning more about Sir Benfro every day, and finding it more and more interesting. But such a lot to do - just look at all those red links on List of places in Pembrokeshire ...! Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Commons categories for Tregwynt Comment

I have tried to create a category for Tregwynt village in commons and I think I have succeeded. It takes me a long time to assimilate all the help pages. I found again the useful advice from User:Jameslwoodward concerning Beacon Hill. In the short term it would be useful if you could help with the tree hierarchy. Tregwynt Hoard should be subsidiary. Granston above. I am not explaining this well at all. I have also created a page for Tregwynt in commons which I probably should not have done. The final aim was to add links to commons in the Granston en page. SovalValtos (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think I can help; my occasional dips into commons (apart from getting individual pics) have created a muddle. It doesn't seem to work like WP, so I'm probably not going to be able to invest time understanding a different system. Good luck! Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I am almost there, perhaps the fly I cast in Jim's direction may bear fruit. Once I have done this sort of thing three or four times I am usually quite solid. An intention was to add commons links to the village pages in Pembrokeshire. The Crosswell well and Inn image that you rightly changed being inspiration. SovalValtos (talk) 10:32, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Commons categories for Pembrokeshire villages are sadly lacking (pics may be categorised under Welsh or English names, of course). Anything you can do will be a huge help. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement. I only added two images to commons Tregwynt as placeholders. There a clearly more that could be there, but until I understand the structure it might be a waste of effort to add them. Bringing commons categories up to date to reflect and balance "Your Creations" in Pembrokeshire seems well worthwhile! SovalValtos (talk) 10:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I rise to the fly cast in my direction. How can I help? It's better, by the way, to drop a note on my talk page there -- it may be a week or more between my visits to WP:EN to see pings here. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 15:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift reply User:Jameslwoodward With TH's permission it would suit me to keep the exchange here. No hurry, so I am happy to wait for your forays to WP:EN . Just taking one step at a time, could you illustrate by example how Tregwynt Hoard is added to Tregwynt in commons at a lower level? SovalValtos (talk) 17:44, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Simply type "Category:Tregwynt Hoard" (without the quotes) into the search box at the upper right. The resulting page will tell you, "You may create the page Category:Tregwynt Hoard". Click on the red-link "Category:Tregwynt Hoard" there and you will get a large blank edit box. Type [[Category:Tregwynt]] into the edit box and click on "save" and you're done. You should also add any other categories to Category:Tregwynt Hoard that are unique to it and not in its parent. The same process works on WP:EN and Commons, and elsewhere on WMF projects. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 11:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

But the category "Category:Tregwynt Hoard" already exists, so the above does not achieve the wanted result. it is just that it should be the child of "Category:Tregwynt" rather than the parent. How does one change it please? SovalValtos (talk) 12:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Beginning to get there today, so I will ask again when I get muddled. SovalValtos (talk) 06:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I have made a mistake in creating a category "Category:Hill Mountain Pembrokeshire" without the comma after Mountain. It would be good if it could be corrected without damaging the various links concerned. If an editor can help by making the correction it would be appreciated. It is beyond me at present. SovalValtos (talk) 01:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not even sure I have done right by adding Pembrokeshire to Hill Mountain; maybe instead a disambiguation page is needed in commons? Again beyond my experience to know which is best. Meanwhile I am getting dangerously bold in manipulating categoriesSovalValtos (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Feel you need to take this to Commons (do they have a teahouse?) or Jim to resolve as I don't even understand the question, let alone the answer........ What you are doing seems to be very helpful, though, on WP-en. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:17, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

At this stage it might be best to transfer the dialogue to my talk page, as it is turning into a mentoring session on using commons. Would Jameslwoodward be prepared to help further please? SovalValtos (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

You know, gentlemen, it would be better to discuss Commons problems on Commons, rather than here. However:

You seem to have sorted out the Commons Category:Tregwynt Hoard.

I'm not sure that Category:Hill Mountain, Pembrokeshire would be correct -- I think we would prefer Hill Mountain (Pembrokeshire), although since there does not appear to be another Hill Mountain, I think that it could stand alone. Corrections of that sort of error are easy. You first create the new category, with the same body as the old one -- categories, description, etc. -- and then use Cat-a-lot to move all the files that are in the old category to the new one. You then add {{speedy|empty category}} to the old one. If you don't know Cat-a-lot, you should. See Commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 10:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Agreed best to transfer to commons now. If TH could leave this here for a while whilst I transfer it, that would be helpful. JW I have followed in the wake of TH's article creation working on some aspects of his articles where I can contribute. Hence our frequent exchanges. SovalValtos (talk) 11:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Whilst

I am sorry to see you disapprove of whilst, though you have tactfully turned your blind eye when I have indulged my partiality. Whilst 'what time' is an alternative used by Evelyn Waugh and Stephen Roskill amongst others, you might find that even more archaic. It is a regular part of my daily language. SovalValtos (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Was this message intended for me, or someone else? I don't think I disapprove of any English word. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

See most of the way down under the style section on your homepage. SovalValtos (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Can't remember where I got that MOS list from now, but I know I lifted it from somewhere. I don't necessarily agree with everything in it, but it's a useful set of reminders... Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks, Tony! Still learning the ropes here. Will ping you if I have any questions. Vijay.singularity.krish (talk) 21:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Category:Welsh Landscape Collection

I have just come across some additions of historic images from the commons Category:Welsh Landscape Collection in pages I watch. They look very useful. Quite how one finds the one required I am not so sure. Maybe a simple search in commons if the name of the place is in the caption? Two editors concerned are User:Jason.nlw and User:Deins101. Perhaps they could liaise with you over Pembrokeshire pages? SovalValtos (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: That's very interesting; thank you, I shall have a look when I have a minute. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: To editor Tony Holkham: Hello both. These images were added as part of a 'Pic-a-thon' event at the National Library of Wales, co-ordinated by myself as Wikipedian in Residence. The aim was to use images from the Welsh Landscape Collection to illustrate articles of Welsh interest. Most of the images in this collection have place name categories attached so they should be fairly easy to find. Although We just decided to go through them systematical and check if related articles needed images or not. With over 3000 images in the collection there are still lots of great images not yet utilized, and I would be happy to work with you guys to make more use of the collection, just let me know what you need. Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jason.nlw: Having the images categorized and with a commons link in each Wikipedia page seem more important than immediately adding the images to pages. In many cases their place will be justified on a page but in others not. I have added quite a few commons links, but not systematically. User:Tony Holkham has done a lot of work on settlements in Pembrokeshire, but has been having a break since the spring. SovalValtos (talk) 11:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos:Thanks for the message! And thank you for your work in adding Commons links to Wikipedia pages. We were careful only to add images where we felt they complemented an article, and I want to avoid adding images just for the sake of it, if at all possible. I take your point about the Commons links, but I also have to consider the importance of making the most use possible of the institutions donations to Commons, as this is a top priority for both the Library and Wikimedia during my residency. This was the first 'Pic-a-thon' we have held (we have done lots of Edit-a-thons) so it's just interesting to gauge the impact and effectiveness of the event, from everyone's perspective, so thanks again for your feedback. Keep in touch! Jason.nlw (talk) 12:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, both To editor SovalValtos: and To editor Jason.nlw:. I have copied this discussion to Talk:Wales where it will be more obvious. Add any further comments there, please. Looking forward to going into this in more detail asap. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Attack pages

Hi, I have been going through some really old drafts, and I noticed a few pages such as Draft:Blaine Willams and Draft:Jacob Andersen that you blanked with the summary "removing offensive BLP content" (or something similar). First off, thank you for doing that, obviously this is a serious concern and the content should not be visible. However you should also tag it for speedy deletion under the WP:G10 criteria. To do this, just add {{db-g10}} or {{db-attack}} at the top of the page. You can also use Twinkle to request speedy deletion.

Your edits to those pages were from many moons ago, so I'm unsure if your practices have changed, but I thought I'd let you know nonetheless. Thank you!! — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

To editor MusikAnimal: I vaguely remember the drafts. I've noted your advice should I encounter anything similar again, but I don't go looking for it as I'm concentrating mainly on people and places in Pembrokeshire at the moment, but thanks and regards, Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Tnx for the catch

   ... You probably see how i let it happen; i'll try to stay more alert.
--Jerzy•t 14:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jerzy: Easily done, easily fixed. All the best, Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

West Midlands Search and Rescue

I've reverted your changes to West Midlands Search and Rescue as this is not the correct way to move a page. Wikipedia has a process called requested moves for situations like this. There is no evidence to suggest that the name of this organisation has changed, Thanks! Jeni ^(talk) 01:25, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jeni: I don't see a problem with what I did - I was just about to add a ref [1] to show the name change but your edit conflicted. I had to do the change in the way I did because both names already existed, and just needed swapping. Please reconsider. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, there is no circumstance where a copy and paste move is an acceptable way to move a page. I'm voicing my opposition to this page move, the only way to legitimately move this page now is to start a requested move discussion. Jeni ^(talk) 01:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Please explain - I didn't think a page could be moved to a name that already existed. Ta Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Technically no, the average person can't move a page somewhere that already exists, however - in uncontroversial cases, you should place {{Db-copypaste}} on the target page and wait for an administrator to come and delete it - at that point, the original page can be moved. However, in this situation, there is no source to show that they have changed their name - a move would be inappropriate without starting a requested move discussion first, generating a consensus to move and allowing an administrator to make the final call.

Copy and paste moves should never be done as they do not preserve the edit history, which violates the CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing of Wikipedia Jeni ^(talk) 01:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jeni: Thanks for the explanation. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Clovelly RNLI

I came across the Clovelly page via a convoluted route. Having made some edits to it I found that there was little about the harbour, and even less about the lifeboat station. I know it is off your territory but would you consider creating an article about the RNLI station? There is not one yet. There seems to be much useful source. SovalValtos (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd love to. The RNLI anywhere is of interest to me. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

And now for 2016

A view of Lake Bondhus in Norway, and in the background of the Bondhus Glacier, part of the Folgefonna Glacier. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

What a magical picture, thank you. I went to Norway once for a business meeting in Oslo and was captivated by the quality of the light. I'd love to go back again one day. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Eglwyswrw

Good morning Tony,
Whilst watching BBC Breakfast earlier today, this from the Daily Mirror was featured in the newspaper slot [2].
I must add that I do not subscribe in any way to looking at this newspaper
Might it be worth adding to the article? I'll let you be the judge of that.
Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. Made me laugh, especially the attempt at pronunciation. Strangely, at this very moment (to paraphrase another, more famous, Tony), it is raining not in Blaenffos. All the best, Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Clovelly Lifeboat Station

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Contest

Hi. You or anybody can help draw up the lists of core articles, hotlists of really wanted/important articles and missing articles in general. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing article hotlist was intended to be the hotlist of the important/high demand articles which we will give extra points to people for for tackling, but if you want to add a full list of missing villages and you don't think most of them would be worth extra points you can create it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing articles, which can include all the missing articles which anybody wants to list there. Try to keep it organized by topic and sub divide it by county though if you can! You can add rivers, mountains, whatever you want! The more missing articles the better I think, gives people more choice and invites people to start them. If you think an article is important or really needed enough to be given extra points, add it to the hot list rather than general article list. Long term this is a good thing for Wales anyway, and we can see a fair bit of what is missing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:29, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess if we really want all those remaining Pembrokeshire villages started we could giv e a bonus to any editor who creates a minimum of say 10 new articles on them, but the entries would have to have a minimum of 1.5kb of readable prose. The important thing I think now is for all WP Wales editors and others to be quite vocal about what they want to see improved. If you higlight certain things you each really want to get done I can give bonus points to people who tackle them. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

To editor Dr. Blofeld: I fully understand. Thanks. The bigger the lists the more choice, and the less chance of two or more people working on the same article offline to upload on 1 March! Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Cheers for adding the villages, fele free to also add listed buildings to Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing articles. [3] That might help get them started!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Cenarth Bridge and Old Bridge, Pontypridd

Hi Tony,

I thought "holes" in bridges were unique, how wrong I was...have a look at File:Bridge, Coursan 02.jpg in France. SethWhales ^talk 20:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

That's a surprise. I knew they were rare, but France... Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

And see Bridge of Arta (Greece) and Pont du Diable (Céret) (France again). I must look at Arch bridge to see if the technique is mentioned; if not, maybe it should be. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: And see Anji Bridge for the oldest (though not circular perforations). Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: This just shows how little I really know....but then again Wikipedia does this to me all the time (thanks for the information). SethWhales ^talk 09:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: Me, too. I hadn't ever given much thought to bridges before, so thanks for Cenarth Bridge! Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:44, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I noticed that you changed the image on the article. Yes the image does look "a little more cheerful", however the reason why I chose this image instead of this image was that it showed the 3 arches. This image isn't so bad, and this image is just the same as the original. If the image you selected included the 3rd arch to the left, it would be perfect, but it doesn't. In the article, it says that it is a 3 arch bridge...but apart from the old print image, the viewer cannot see a 3rd arch...your thoughts. SethWhales ^talk 14:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: I hadn't seen this image before, and I think I like it the best because it shows the holes and arches very clearly. I chose this image because it shows more river and less car park and it's lighter in tone. Comparing all four images, I think both of these should go in, with the former in the infobox as the clearest representation. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:47, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: Yes the image does clearly show the 3 arches and the 2 holes. Do you want to make the edit? SethWhales ^talk 15:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: Yes, happy to. Will also mention the point that the river does flow under all three arches sometimes. We need a pic of that, too! I'll try to get one sometime (only 5 miles away). Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:36, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: I didn't know you lived so close. SethWhales ^talk 16:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, taken lots of pics and video of the falls, and even seen a salmon - rare these days. I live in Blaenffos. Yet to photograph the river in full flood, but I was there a few days after the car park was completely washed away a few years ago. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Old Bridge, Bridgend and Pont Aberarth

Hi Tony,

I have just added 2 new bridge articles: Old Bridge, Bridgend (today) and Pont Aberarth (15 Feb). Feel free to add/amend edits. SethWhales ^talk 23:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

To editor Seth Whales: Been over the latter enough times, you'd think I'd have noticed it... must keep my eyes open. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:18, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Penffordd, Pembrokeshire

There is another Penffordd about 2 miles northeast of Tregaron. 51.233 -3.900 SovalValtos (talk) 22:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. There are many around Wales, but this is the first to have an article. I guess I could have called it Penffordd, Pembrokeshire. Maybe later. Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:28, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

This and the Tregaron one are the only two that came up in my map search. I think it would be as well to title this one Penffordd, Pembrokeshire. That is what I have been trying to do on commons, but got muddled, so I will have another go there later. It looks really wee; three houses? SovalValtos (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

More muddle, I was looking at the one at 51.958 -4.907 , also Pembrokeshire. SovalValtos (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: How do I look at this one (51.958 -4.907)? If it's in Pembrokeshire, I don't know how to use the coordinates online. Is it near somewhere else? Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I've got it, near Trecwn. Not a village. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:00, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Moved page. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Commons link now in place. I think commons can be slow updating at times. SovalValtos (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Welsh Newspapers Online

The link you added to Penffordd is the first time I have seen this, and anyone can use it! It looks like great care is needed in choosing what to accept of their transcriptions which seem to be done by a program. Reading the scan for confirmation of spelling and punct. SovalValtos (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

It's very time-consuming, but a wonderful pastime, and very useful for filling out the history of the smaller settlements. Unfortunately for me, in the case of Welsh newspapers, many of the articles are in Welsh, but it is possible to enter the text in Google translate and get a reasonable idea of what the article is about. What a shame the British Newspaper Archive is not free, though I did get free access through the Wikipedia Library for the past two years. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Women in the RNLI

Hi there, Tony

I'm very new to Wikipedia editing but have a vested interest in RNLI articles because I'm the RNLI Social Media Manager - we're holding an edit-a-thon today and I'd be really keen to add a 'Women in the RNLI' section to our main page. Could you advise on whether this is likely to be approved and the best way of going about it? I'd really appreciate your guidance and experience.

Best wishes, Becky Steeden

Hi, Becky. I've left a welcome message on the talk page of User talk:rainbowll22 - I'm guessing that's you. Please sign any messages on talk pages with four tildas (~~~~). It's great news about the RNLI editathon; Wikipedia needs more editors.

Wikipedia works largely by consensus, so added information (which obviously must be backed up by reliable sources or it won't last long) will be seen by anyone who watches a particular article, and eventually (!) an agreed text comes to pass. On your point about Women in the RNLI (I'm all for recording something, somewhere), see Talk:Royal National Lifeboat Institution.

Since you have (as an employee of the RNLI), what is known in Wikipedia as a "conflict of interest", it would be a good idea to mention this on your user page. It doesn't exclude you from editing on RNLI matters, but it's best that other editors know.

Let me know here if you have any general questions about Wikipedia editing, and I'll do my best to help. Incidentally, I edited the London and South East Compass edition for several years. Did we meet at the London office? Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Tithe maps

The National Library of Wales has a "Cynefin: Mapping Wales'sense of Place" project [4] to digitize tithe maps. Some maps can be seen on their site, for example [5] which might interest you.

The National Library of Scotland is further advanced in that they are already making available many old maps in digital form, already done are one inch and six inch and they are working through 25 inch where they started with Scotland (naturally) and are now working up England. Sorry if I have mentioned this before.[6]. No 25 inch scans as yet for Wales. The 25 inch are a fascinating resource which at least cover some of your other haunts.SovalValtos (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Kind of you, thank you. I remember looking at tithe maps in W Sussex Record Office in the 80s (researching family history) and barely being able to tear myself away. Digitisation is going to be a huge benefit to WP, geographically. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Royal National Lifeboat Institution

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The Anglesey/Gwynedd Challenge

Planning on runnng this without prizes on June 13-20. If you're interested in contributing put your name down at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon. We'll do one for Pembrokeshire later in the year, hopefully with prizes ;-) Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

To editor Dr. Blofeld: Sorry, no can do this time - busy with non-WP things for a while. Hope it goes well. I'll certainly try to contribute to a Pembs one, if it's not too soon. Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

No worries, enjoy the summer!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

If only... Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Newspaper source

I am trying to check the source used in this

Lyons was appointed Headmaster of Witham Hall School in 1961, two years after the foundation of the school. Witham Hall flourished under Lyons's 29 year leadership, the number of pupils increasing from 20 at the time at which he started to 150 by the time he retired, by which time the school had become a feeder school for Eton College. There is a school house at Witham Hall, Lyons, named after him and his wife.

Do you have access to the Rutland and Stamford Mercury for 2007 to check? There might be an easy link via Google but I have failed to find it.SovalValtos (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say I probably can't help. A fairly extensive search did not turn up anything except links back to the WP article. The newspaper is not listed on BNA as having been digitised, and in any case BNA subscriptions are no longer available through the WP Library. You could go to WP:LIBRARY (where you can also ask a question), or try Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources. Other than that, I would contact the paper (Stamford Mercury Group/Johnston Press?) [7] itself. I'll keep looking for a little longer. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for trying and sorry to interrupt your usual work. The problem arose as I was dubious about the original use of the source and then further material was added which also needed checking. Obituary notices of the sort inserted by the family were available on the paper's website, but this might refer to an editorial article. I might ask on talk for a brief quote of the source to see what transpires. I had four days in Wales recently with the intention both of seeing more and taking photos. Not many photos done; one of St Davids lifeboat houses uploaded. [8]. Someone I met there said it was the most expensive station ever built mentioning £15million. One highlight of the trip was seeing a flooring slate six feet by four feet in Dolgoch bunkhouse (east of Tregaron).SovalValtos (talk) 08:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I hope you can track down the obituary, which was written in the year after he died. I notice the obit has been used in a number of articles, so it should really be made available. Contacting the paper is probably the only option. You are too modest in the placement of your excellent photo of the St Davids lifeboat stations - it should go in the info box. £15m does not surprise me, given the topography they had to deal with. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Pembrokeshire

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All the best for 2017!

Hello Tony Holkham,
Enjoy the Winter Solstice and the Christmas and holiday season.
Thank you for all your good work during 2016 in maintaining, improving and expanding Wikipedia.
All the best for 2017! Cheers, — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  16:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Gareth, for your kind message. Medical and other concerns have had the unfortunate side-effect of writer's block for a while, but I hope a good dose of the weather in your pictures will put me back on the path. Bring on the snow... All the best. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Cwmcych

I have been living in Cwmcych for some 16 months now. The old Fox and Hounds pub has become a private residence. As for the matter of new properties built in the 1970s, I see no signs. Many properties have been modified over the past decades, but I have not seen any completely new builds.

On the topic of the Glaspant Diary 1896, I am not aware of an online rendition. Personally, I have a print copy obtained through Amazon.

MichelleHenderson (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

I understand. The source may be wrong, of course, but Dyfed Arch Soc is usually pretty accurate. Perhaps they see Cwmcych as a bigger area than the actual hamlet. Anyway, it's worth checking out and if DAS is wrong, then they'd probably want to amend their page.

The Glaspant Diary I tracked down on Amazon. If you have a copy, can you quote the relevant page number(s) and I will add it to the article?

Glad you're on WP - it desperately needs new editors, especially for Wales. I have been concentrating on Pembrokeshire for some time, and there's loads more to do. Let me know if you need any help. Best wishes (from Blaenffos) ... Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:54, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I was pleased to see that you started an article about Cwmcych, given its size. There is history here, but little seems to have been captured in written words. I will see what I can pull out of the Glaspant Diary in due course. You may well be right about the area covered in the DAS source, nevertheless all the buildings here and in the nearby hamlets appear to have history.

MichelleHenderson (talk) 23:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Not everyone agrees, but I see WP principally as a repository for all the history and geography that is scattered online, especially in old newspapers and out-of-print books. See List of places in Pembrokeshire for the places yet to have articles. As for closed pubs, well... there were five in Blaenffos once. If you have a date for the Fox & Hounds closure, or better still a newspaper article, that would be useful.

I'm copying this discussion to Talk:Cwmcych for completeness. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Fix on a page

Hi User:Tony Holkham, can you add some info to Maiorana article please, and the links might have to be removed, I don't want to make mistakes on article, but I'm fair sure you can help, thanks if you can.--Theo Mandela (talk) 22:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pembrokeshire

The article Pembrokeshire you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Pembrokeshire for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ykraps -- Ykraps (talk) 08:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

pembrokeshire

hi, r.e. pembrokeshire, have you seen the discussion in talk:enclosure, currently it's 7 supporting a move , vs 4 saying keep it. there's a strong argument that enclosure is too general a word to be claimed by any one domain. In my renaming, i've found many instances where it's used for other purposes, and already linked eronesouly to enclosure (legal)/enclosure of common land. My thinking was that the redirects can easily be renamed later, but going to enclosure, i'm not damaging the current structure in any way.. whilst making a rename easier. MfortyoneA (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I have read it now. I think (in the case of Pembrokeshire, anyway) that your edits are pre-emptive of the outcome of that discussion, whatever it may be. Shall we wait and see? Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

User:Tony Holkham Further discussion is on the page [[9]]SovalValtos (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Pembroke - description and accuracy

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the message re parishes. Many of the articles contain inaccurate information and confuse the administrative and religious use of the term. Many of these articles are not updated regularly.

All of the amendments are accurate and are clearly described and justified. Could you restore my amendments?

Cheers :) 109.148.55.157 (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree that many articles are not updated regularly, and that some Wikipedia users may be confused. However, in general, there is no harm referring to places as parishes when they are, even if they are not governed as such any more. That's why I have reverted some of your edits, especially those in which you have deleted references (which are sadly lacking in many cases anyway). I think you should not be in such a hurry to make so many wide-ranging changes without perhaps discussing them on the articles' talk pages. Granted, that takes longer, but is more in line with Wikipedia's method of working.

A further comment I have is about a phrase you use: Standard Wiki description; it's not one I recognise.

I don't agree that all your amendments were accurate, clearly described or justified, but I will look again at the reversions I made, though I did give them some thought at the time, so I may not want to restore them. I am not the arbiter of these articles, however, and I have no problem with your opinion; Wikipedia works by consensus. As you probably realise, I have a special interest in Pembrokeshire (it's where I live), so I hope you will understand my wish to take things slowly and in a more considered way.

Have you considered registering? There are some advantages to doing that. Wikipedia needs more editors. Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:32, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Goodwick

Hi Tony, The Kindle book is definitely available in Amazon - found it there myself and located it again today. Amazon ASIN: B07345LDJ4. Regards, Hank

To editor Hank2011: Got it - thanks, Hank

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Great work

Thank you Tony, for your recent revisions on my favourite county in the British Isles. All much appreciated. Hope you have a lovely weekend. Cheers! Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 10:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

To editor Gareth Griffith-Jones: Thanks, Gareth, I'm enjoying getting to know my adopted county. In the back of my mind is GA status. I didn't enjoy last year's review, but took it on the shin (sic), especially since Carmarthenshire is a GA with a much lighter article. I know jealousy is unseemly, but we're all human. You have a good weekend, too. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:43, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Heddwch ac ewyllys da

		Compliments of the season Wishing you all the best for 2018 — good health, sufficient wealth, peace and contentment
		Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 18:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Gareth, and the very same to you! Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah,ha. Another Monet ... and snow! I like it! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 19:42, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Good morning Tony! May I ask a favour? Could you look at User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones#Reassessment and add whatever you feel would be helpful. Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 09:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

editing WP

[10] ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 14:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pembrokeshire

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Thank you, Tim riley for taking on this review. I nominated the article more than a year ago and it failed for a number of (now obvious!) reasons. Since that time, I and other editors have worked hard to bring the article up to the standard that I hope will stand a better chance of GA and I look forward to seeing your review. Regards, Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:20, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I've left my comments on the review page. As there are quite a few queries I would ordinarily have put the review on formal hold for a week to give you time to deal with them, but as you were so prompt in addressing my initial comments I shan't bother putting it on hold unless you would prefer me to do so. Tim riley talk 21:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pembrokeshire

The article Pembrokeshire you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Pembrokeshire for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 12:21, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations Tony!
Very well-deserved award. You must be feeling proud and, with all that "burning the midnight oil", exhausted.
I am delighted and glad to have been involved. Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 13:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. The midnight oil was worth it. Dolly helped. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Congrats / Llongyfarchiadau, Tony!. Our favourite part of Wales after home up north! All that hard work was worth it; you should rightly be chuffed. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr, Hogyn Lleol. There was a lot of work involved, and not just by me, but I'm glad to have completed it at last. I wonder what's next? Cheers, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiki: Label

Hi Tony,

Thanks for bringing to my attention that one or two of the sources I cited were too "commercial" to be considered valid. I assure you it was not my intention to spam the article. I will be more cautious of this in the future!

Kind regards,

Tnetrpm (talk) 20:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

And thank you, Tnetrpm for responding. The Label article is trying to be all encompassing, but it's very difficult to find reliable references. I hadn't looked at it for a while, but will try to find time to do so soon.

All the best, Tony

Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Happy St. David's

The leek is one of the national emblems of Wales, worn along with the daffodil (in Welsh, the daffodil is known as "Peter's leek", Cenhinen Bedr) on St. David's Day. According to one legend, King Cadwaladr of Gwynedd ordered his soldiers to identify themselves by wearing the vegetable on their helmets in an ancient battle against the Saxons that took place in a leek field. Cheers!‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 15:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

References

Thank you, Gareth, and the same to you; my middle name is David because I was due to be born on St David's Day (my mother knew about these things), though I was born a few days early. But what I want to know is: why are next door's daffodils flowering before mine? This and other questions need answers! Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Just for you ... ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 12:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gareth. Smiling from ear to ear. And the sun has just come out, too. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:31, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Redhill High School addition to Clynderwen page

This conversation has been copied to Talk:Clynderwen, where any further input should be made

Dear Mr Holkham,

I believe you may have removed this addition which I made today to the page. This addition was a genuine one as the School will be opened in September (planning was granted yesterday). We would like to post it again - can you indicate if this is acceptable to you?

Kind regards,

Alun Millington Redhill High School — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:B7B1:9400:1CF4:4888:9228:E817 (talk) 22:09, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alun - I did realise it was a genuine edit; however, as I said in my edit summary, it hasn't happened yet and there was no source (reference) to support it. A reliable source would be something published independently - perhaps a newspaper article on the granting of planning permission? Wikipedia aims to provide independent sources for all its content (doesn't always happen, but it should!). I hope this makes sense. If you find a source and need any help with formatting it, let me know.

By the way, please sign any messages on talk pages with four tildes - this records your username, date and time. Best wishes, Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:28, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

2A02:C7D:B7B1:9400:1CF4:4888:9228:E817 - Alun, I see that the planning application for Clunderwen House, while supported by PCC, is not yet approved (see here). I'm happy to leave your edit in, though, as it is of interest to the village's article. Another editor may, though, have a different view, as Wikipedia would not normally cover future events. We shall see. Regards, Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello Tony Holkham. I noticed a recent edit of yours on my watchlist where you removed a template for giving strange results.[11] I'm glad I did notice it because it alerted me to a problem that I will work to resolve. The surname page it listed was a redirect to the name page and the template currently only looks to see if the page exists. I will see about adding code to preclude its listing redirects in the future. Thank you for your diligence in noticing this and correcting it. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 00:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, John Cline. It was more by luck than judgement (a late night random wander through the encyclopedia) - I only noticed it because of the apostrophes in the plural of "title", something that usually catches my eye, and I saw no way to change that. I'd like to have fixed it myself but if code is involved I am afraid I would probably have made a mess of it. All the best, Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

National Library of Australia

I have come across this [12] resource for searching Australian newspapers and more. I thought of you and your onetime use of the BNA. Even searching on Pembrokeshire brings up a plethora of results. The benefit of an Australian source for a British subject is obvious. I hope it might help if you are not already familiar with it.SovalValtos (talk) 08:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

SovalValtos - that's kind; thank you. I wasn't aware of it. I am still signed up to BNA and I am still picking up interesting pebbles on the endless beach of old newspapers: such a distraction, but such a pleasurable pastime. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Christianity Barnstar
		Dear Tony Holkham, I award you The Christianity Barnstar for all your hard work in WikiProject Christianity-related articles, especially your creation of Old Mortuary Chapel, Carew. Keep up the good work! Your efforts are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk 00:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Anupam - that's very kind of you - thank you. My wish (eventually!) is to see articles on all the listed buildings in Pembrokeshire, many of which are churches. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...

	... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi! That is Welsh and translates to: Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019! Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia. Sincerely, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
	Diolch yn fawr, fy ffrind. I'll drink to that! I've discovered a local newsletter that has Welsh and English in side-by-side columns; it's going to be a great help. Especially if I want to write about coracles... Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you! ;-))

		The Geography Barnstar
		Dear Tony, Thank you for your excellent stewardship of, and insightful contributions to, the article on Pembrokeshire, and for your courtesy towards your editorial colleagues. Your admirable dedication is much appreciated. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 23:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

How kind of you, Patrick; Pembrokeshire is such a special place, so it's a pleasure to edit on it. I hope 2019 is good to you. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Circuit of Wales

I didn't add your revert into the body as I have already (about a year ago) rough drafted and fully sourced (I do not favour use of contrived cite templates) considerable expansion, and keep adding to it, so this would have to have been changed/incoporated. This, I expect, will not be well received by the pro-Wales brigade. I should get on with it (can't even remember where it is).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Rocknrollmancer, for your message, which I must admit I don't fully understand; I just try to keep articles tidy (I don't use cite templates, and have absolutely no idea what the "pro-Wales brigade" is...). I think I was right simply to undo an unsourced statement, for the reasons I gave in my edit summary. If you have more to add to the article I'll look forward very much to seeing it (and hope to be one of the spectators at the first event there, if that ever happens!). Regards, Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:31, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I was referring to your (semi-talk) edit comment ...and format ref thus: {{cite news|url=https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/16971530.door-left-open-for-development-on-ebbw-vale-circuit-of-wales-site/|work=South Wales Argus|date=9 October 2019|title=Door left open for development on Ebbw Vale Circuit of Wales site|accessdate=2 February 2019}} when it was already adequately formatted thus [https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/16971530.door-left-open-for-development-on-ebbw-vale-circuit-of-wales-site/ Door left open for development on Ebbw Vale Circuit of Wales site] ''[[South Wales Argus]]'', 9 October 2018. Retrieved 2 February 2019.

I can see its kick-started some more changes that I will need to pore-over...little time, unfortunately. I last wrote about this around the July-ish heatwave after reading about it outside - normally saved as a draft webmail accessible from any device, or as a Word document on my groaning 14 year old Toshiba (different keyboards slow me down). rgds,--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Your self-important vandalism has got to stop,.

How dare anyone touch your precious articles. How dare blatently factually incorrect and unreferenced statements be changed into factually correct and referenced material. How dare anyone make include context rather than have a series of disconnected bullet points. How dare anyone include a link to an unwritten article, that might encourage someone to write a new one (heaven-forfend the idea that the people who created the site in the first place invented the concept of redlinks for that very purpose).

Seriously, get over yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.1.159 (talk) 13:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

80.5.1.159 You clearly don't grasp how Wikipedia works; it is a collaborative effort, often requiring prior discussion of significant changes. If you cannot engage with other editors other than in an adversarial way, and in view of your outburst above, ridiculously accusing me of vandalism, I see no option but to refer your comprehensive and often confusing unilateral editing for independent administrative perusal. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Petersfield

Hi Tony,

Do you know Petersfield at all? I've lived here since I was three. I have recently been elected Secretary of the Petersfield Historical Society. The section previously discussed, the notable people, is in my honest opinion not very good. I would like to sub divide it using the approved === === style. I am not ready to start referencing this section yet. I am doing as much background work as I can in between my job and my family duties. Any suggestions as how to proceed with the actual layout would be gratefully appreciated. I note you too are interested in Anglican history. Well our vicar before last before last is now the Bishop of Lincoln- would he warrant a mention? Kind regards MatthewBashereyre (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Matthew - Bishop of Lincoln mention -  Done

Matthew - thanks for your message. I do agree there is quite a bit of improvement needed for the Petersfield article, and I'm sure you're the one who can do it, as you are "on the ground", as it were - I have made some edits, but I know there is more to do. There's no reason why the notable people section shouldn't be sub-divided. Sometimes, if there are enough, I see there are "List of people from..." articles. I'll do what I can to help with sourcing (found one today). If the Bishop of Lincoln has a WP article (I haven't looked), then yes, he should be included.

I am interested in the Petersfield article because I went to Churcher's College in the 1960s, and also lived there from 2006-10 (and was married in the old College) before I moved back to where I live now, Pembrokeshire. So, yes, I know Petersfield very well. Coincidentally, my grandfather was a torpedo PO onboard HMS Acasta, the destroyer that went to help HMS Shark, Loftus-Jones's ship. It's a small and curious world, isn't it?

I'm not interested in Anglican history per se, but in churches, and the history of the parishes they represent. There's a great deal online about them, and many are listed buildings. Sadly, many have fallen out of use, meaning that history may be lost. It's one of the aspects of Wikipedia that I love. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

P.S. No, I don't think anyone has more user-boxes than you! Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:38, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Independent lifeboats in Britain and Ireland

Your gentle touch might help a new editor on the above.SovalValtos (talk) 10:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, SV; it looks like a one-off. I'll add it, referenced properly. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:00, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	Thanks for your hard work. Doug Weller talk 20:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Doug; I think most of the hard work was done by Rodney, but I'll happily take a little of the credit! All the best, Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hard work indeed.[13] Well done, Tony! Hope your back is on the mend. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Cheers, Gareth. The back will take it's time; just have to not be too energetic - suits me... Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Great videos esp Dire Staights' Walk of Life which follows your superb choice, I have all their CDs. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Card Platform

Have you seen [14] as an extension of your sources?SovalValtos (talk) 07:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Funnily enough, SV, just yesterday. But not very thoroughly yet. Cheers, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:25, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Permission to update page

Hello, I updated the template earlier today so please check this, with regard to whether members of the Marketing Department at Bishop's Stortford College are paid to update the page. Sarah Gowans (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Gowans - trying to keep this all together, I am responding on your talk page. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help, much appreciated. I think it's all sorted now.Sarah Gowans (talk) 07:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, Sarah Gowans. A little friendly advice, if I may - the College article badly needs reliable and independent inline references, as there is always going to be understandable resistance to adding more facts until this is done. All the best with it. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:56, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Tony, we will endeavor to add independent links but we are limited. One source will be our archive website, but this isn't exactly independent, another might be the town's history group. Alumni are less problematic. Will links to newspapers, periodicals and journals help with verification if we add links to those please? Sarah Gowans (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Sarah, if you go to your talk page, and the welcome message, under "Policies and guidelines" the first five items are particularly relevant, and it's a good idea to read those. There are examples of what are, or are not, good sources. Use the article's talk page to get help with referencing or anything else to do with the article, or ask me for help if you need it. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, we have received a message saying we may be blocked from editing. Can you please explain further what the issue is? I have just made a lot of additions to the College page and don't want to lose them...Thank you. Sarah Gowans (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Gowans - I will respond on your talk page. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I have spent the whole morning carefully adding content to the page, only to find it all removed. This is obviously frustrating, especially when it isn't clear what we need to do and when we thought the issues had been resolved. Can you add in what you removed earlier? I hope we can resolve this asap so that we can improve our page. Thanks Sarah Gowans (talk) 12:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Gowans - You do need to read the messages left for you, e.g. above, where I said this would be discussed on your talk page. By the way, referring to the article as "our page" implies ownership of the page; that is not the way Wikipedia works. To be clear, I did not remove anything from the article. I'd also like to remind you of the help offered in April here, which wasn't taken up. We are trying to help, but you need to familiarise yourself with policies and guidelines, otherwise it will continue to be frustrating. Regards, Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Body on the Cleddau Bridge?

Are we to watch the Welsh remake? He was unfriendly, and I have noticed similar retorts from him many times. Hoping you have a great week! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Nah. Sometimes it's best to walk away. I just set myself up on Wicipedia instead. You have a good week, too (a little autumnal here today). T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I noticed. I'm very impressed. Heatwave starts tomorrow. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, no! Not another heatwave! Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Well done Justine Cross! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

New editors

You are better than me at what I consider one of the more important things we can do. That is welcoming new editors. Even one retained can be more valuable than the total of one's own edits. The editors who welcomed me or praised my photos early on I still value for their guidance. I try to give a welcome before a warning for registered editors, allowing a pause before their first warn. I have little idea as to how the warning bots work but they seem to be slower than those watching watchlists. Problem IPs I often do not bother even warning first time unless I see a pattern. Wandering IPs are a pest. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 09:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your confidence. No doubt you saw me in two minds over the Fernhurst edits last night. Sometimes it is difficult to judge (if it is for us to judge) whether an editor is someone who is here to improve the encyclopaedia, or just one article, or just push a single point. I thought twice about my advice, although it can still be read, to see what happens today. I am more wary of offering advice these days. By the way, you can always insert the welcome message at the top of the talk page, where it would probably be appreciated more; I don't think there would be anything wrong with that. I hope it is not too hot where you are; we have a cloudless sky, but a cool breeze. Best wishes. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Just to close this, SV, the editor in question is experienced on Welsh Wicipedia (where things are very, very different, I am seeing), but rarely edits on enWP. But thanks for reminding me of the importance of welcoming, and your ever-appreciated wise words. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

responding to your message today

Hi Tony,

With regards to your confirm, I work for the University and am simply updating their Wikipedia page. I am new to this so in the process of learning how to source further copy I write.

I hope this clarifies things?

Thanks.

copied to User talk:Kirsty at ChiUni. Please discuss there. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Beacon Hill

While its not in the town of Haslemere it is in the civil parish of Haslemere and its standard to include in the lowest level, see WP:DIFFUSE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't follow, but not fussed if you really want it in. I doubt readers take a lot of notice of categories. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Mynydd Preseli

Hi Tony

Just thought to drop you a line out of courtesy as I know you've a particular attachment to these hills and my restructuring of the article just now was substantial. It won't be the last word - never is on Wikipedia - do change things about if you think I've muddled things at all - my intention was to make it easier for the reader to alight upon the material they might be looking for and so often articles grow and material that might best belong in one place ends up in another - of course some material is 'cross-curricular' and could comfortably fit readily into two or three sections.

all best wishes from another editor with a deep and abiding interest in Welsh landscapes

Geopersona (talk) 10:56, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Geopersona - thanks for your kind message. I haven't digested the changes yet, but I'm sure they will be reasonable, as I know you are. I try not to "own" articles, but I do have a particular interest in this one. Sad to lose the word "mountain", though...

Best wishes. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Tony - 'hill' for 'mountain' was just for consistency. The word mountain is used rather more widely in the Welsh context than it is in most other parts so I quite understand what you are saying! Of course, going the other way, the Scots will talk of going 'on the hill' when they mean going up what you and might call a 'mountain' every time! Anyway so you know, I'd not intend to be precious about this . . . cheers Geopersona (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

PS - I feel ownership for various articles I've created and so am affected when other editors do things to them that I'd have not but, like you, try not to own them to the extent that WP deplores in this extraordinary collective enterprise we're signed up to.

Geopersona - since mountain is widely used for hill in Wales, my preference would be for Preseli Mountains (incidentally, the range was called, e.g. in 1819 OS, "Precelly Mountain", which may explain Wicipedia's "Mynydd Preseli"), but I suspect I would be in a minority there, despite many Welsh organisations using "Preseli Mountains" as well as "Preseli Hills". And Countryfile, for example, refers to "Preseli Hills, a mountain range...". Ah, well. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Tony - you picked up on the redlinked glacial meltwater channels - I was myself surprised that no such article existed but see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Geology#Glacial_meltwater_channels - hopefully its redlink days are numbered!

Geopersona - I did try to find something appropriate, but decided to leave it to those who know geology, which I don't. (Are you forgetting to sign your comments?) T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge

Would love it Tony if you put your articles up here! I'm so glad you're still active here! I expanded Uzmaston yesterday! I was thinking of running another contest this autumn for the UK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Great to hear from you, Doc. Yes, remiss of me. I have created a few and de-stubbed a few more, so I'll go back and see what I can add for the 10k. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:51, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Database of quarries and surface mineral workings

I came across this when working on the Cardigan article; [15]. It has a much wider coverage than Cardigan with much in Pembrokeshire see page80. Beware though if your connection is slow as it is a very large article 54MB. It is useful as a source for position type and other detail as well as being a good read.SovalValtos (talk) 12:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

SV - thank you; looks very interesting and I will have a close look soon. I am fortunate in having a decent connection, but Wales as a whole is in a sorry state, connection-wise. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I was hoping this would lead to WP:RS for the location, status of quarries etc whether active or closed and the minerals concerned. I have not been able to find the individual extraction site detail I hoped for so far. I am sure it is about, if not as easily accessed as the wonderful National Library of Scotland map resource. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I have (so far) not found much that I would add to articles, though the study could be mentioned in relevant geology sections as being a comprehensive study written for non-geologists, and in that respect it is helpful. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

ISBNs

Dear Tony,
I hope you are keeping well? All is well here, apart from repeated bad colds, but now on the mend!
I have just reviewed Bibliography of Welsh history, since it has been stable for a few months now, and I wanted to wait before applying ISBN hyphens (and, indeed, ISBNs themselves) where they were missing. While I was at it, I also took the liberty of reformatting most entries so that all their 'cite' parameters were coded in the same order, as this might make it easier for other editors, especially if they fish them out for insertion into other articles. I hope you will approve of all this (largely unnecessary) work, but I thought it might help, as I was already editing there for some other purpose; ISBNs, in this case.
Also, on a related matter, I am copying below a section from my talk page of our exchange about ISBNs earlier this year; this way, it will be close at hand for you as a future resource. I did this because I will be archiving my 2019 talk page early next month. However, if you won't need this guidance anymore, then of course feel free to delete this section from your talk page.
Please keep well, Tony, with my seasonal best wishes.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 17:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

[Start of section copied from Pdebee's talk page:]

Patrick, I am still unsure where to put the hyphens in these numbers. Can you advise (specifically, Petersfield#Further_reading, please? Sorry if I'm being dim. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Dear Tony,

No problem at all; I have just updated it in the article itself, to: 978-1-4456-7261-8. I always consult the "Pattern for English language ISBN numbers", and here is how it works, step by step:

1. Look at the first digit after "978" (which is the prefix of all isbn-13 numbers); that first digit will always be either '0' or '1' for books published in English) and place a hyphen immediately after that single digit: 978-1-445672618.
2. Since that digit was '1' in your case, you will need to consult the columns nested under the heading: 1 – Registration group element (on the right hand side of the table).
3. Now look at the next few digits after the '1' in the ISBN number (i.e. '978-1-4456...') and consult the From and To columns (under the heading 1 – Registration group element); by scanning down the rows in the From column, you can see that 4456 fits in the range from '1-3980-xxxx-x', to '1-5499-xxxx-x' in the To column. Therefore, your ISBN number should have a hyphen after the 4th digit; so, place another hyphen there: 978-1-4456-72618.
4. The remaining 5 digits in that row's range (i.e. '1-3980-xxxx-x') show clearly that the next hyphen will go after the next set of 4 digits: '978-1-4456-7261-8', i.e. just before the check digit.

That's it! I hope I made it clear enough with this example; if not, then please don't hesitate to ask again, Tony. Basically, it is a case of 1) first selecting which part of the table to use (depending on either '0' or '1'), and then 2) finding the range within which the next few digits will fit, using the 'From' and 'To' columns. Once you've located where there is a fit, then you will see where the hyphens need to be inserted. Hope this helped.

With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 16:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that; I'll try to get my head round it! I wonder why Google books don't hyphenate, though, as it's clearly important... Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

[End of section copied from Pdebee’s talk page.]

That's very thoughtful of you, Patrick, to put this here, and thank you for your good wishes, which I return wholeheartedly. I am rather hors de combat currently, but looking forward to more editing in the New Year, which can't come soon enough... Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

TH your edits whilst hors de combat are of a stature and lasting value that the rest of us can only envy. Thank you for your patience and support this year and best wishes for a swift and safe arrival in the New Year. A SovalValtos (talk) 20:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

So kind, SV. And the same to you; you are a pleasure to work alongside. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:30, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear Tony,

I’ve just realised that it might appear to other editors that I (rudely) ignored your message above; so I am leaving this short post simply to state that we communicated via email the same day. And, since I’m here now (), I hope your recovery is making steady progress, Tony, and I send you my very best wishes, as always. Feel free to send me another email whenever you feel like it; it will be good to hear from you.

With kind regards for now;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 12:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Patrick - No one in their right mind could accuse you, possibly Wikipedia's most polite editor, of being rude, but thanks for your kind message. I am still preoccupied with health matters and in some respects still bumping along the bottom, but going generally in the right direction, I hope. They said it might take a year to get back to (what I call) normality; it looks to me as though that will be the case. I am hoping the Pembrokeshire spring, when it comes, will have some added benefit. Thanks again, and the best to you, as ever. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply to the above, Tony, and for your kind words. Yes, I am sure you're right that the return of spring in exactly eight weeks' time will do wonders, as I too am looking forward to long, warm, sunny days again! Please keep following doctor's orders and, until you're back here, feel free to write to me via email any time you feel like it.
With my very best wishes for a steady recovery, and kindest regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 17:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, Patrick. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Welsh People: revision history

ah cool thx TheOneAndOnlyMuffinCat (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Your help desk question

Did you find a answer to this question? I don't know whether WP:VPT would be the place to ask.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Vchimpanzee - very kind of you to suggest that - thank you.  Done here I would like to know the answer, but I suspect it would not be possible. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks, Doc -  Done - put on WikiProject Wales. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Kosack and Deb are contributing but I'd hoped to see you, Ham and Fruit monkey. Sionk is most welcome too but he (obviously) dislikes me. Did Saint Dyfnog earlier!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Great to see you, hope you're feeling better. All entries will go on the challenge so don't worry about adding them to the 10k challenge ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Doc - a little better; it's the lack of sleep that gets you. Thought I'd better get it in gear, though, before the end of the month. Tempus fugit. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your email...

Dear Tony,
Just to let you know that I didn't see your email until yesterday (grovel, grovel), but replied to it at once. Welcome back!
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 18:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Patrick. Easing myself back in gently with some modest contributions. I've missed it. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Lasiocampa quercus info

in response to your request on [16] "article and task requests", please check out the Fauna Europaea entry at https://fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/taxon/962668a0-71b8-47ec-a0eb-d2cd1254db4b and the Lepiforum.de entry at http://www.lepiforum.de/lepiwiki.pl?Lasiocampa_Quercus. These two websites are invaluable resources of moth information.

hope this helps. HKmoths (talk) 07:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Reassessment of Wales

Hi Tony, I've seen your attempts to trim the Wales article. Having scanned through it, it does feel a bit bloated in places. Personally I feel the section 'Composition of the Assembly' to be redundant. It is a history of the elections so far, and probably does not help anyone understand Wales much. The present leader is on the infobox, but the rest seems like waffle. What are your thoughts? FruitMonkey (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

FruitMonkey - agreed. I think a huge amount could be cut from the article. Do please join in! I think it's a shame someone forced a GA reassessment when there's a much simpler way of bringing the article up to date. Cheers, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:16, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Tony. It is a shame. Just disruptive and aggressive behaviour. Hope you are feeling stronger. With my best wishes, Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. Now the reassessment has been triggered, I guess we have to respond, though I can't see what the tag-bomber's interest is in Wales, all of a sudden. Not much advancement in my recovery as all diagnostics cancelled and treatment is on hold. Hopeful of some improvement eventually. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:08, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

That is not good. You must push for an assessment. Keep safe! Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 13:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

GP & I juggling medication continuously - probably the most fun to be had at the moment... Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Who would have thought that we would be suffering this dreadfully frightening existence five months ago?! Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

We could do with a Welsh Debloatathon at some point, sort out all of those bloated inconsistently sourced core articles!† Encyclopædius 14:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thankyou for your Pembrokeshire-related contributions over the years, if only we had an editor like you for all counties of Wales! † Encyclopædius 14:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

How very kind of you, Doc-no-more. Give me time, eh?? But seriously, it has been, and I'm sure it will continue to be, a pleasure to write about this beautiful area. Best to you and yours. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hear! Hear!
Best wishes to you and Tony, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. I don't know whether I could ever be tempted very far away from writing about this area, until it's finished (I am aware of being just a little possessive about it from time to time); by then, I will be 127 years old and (if lockdown is not over by then) tripping over my own hair. :0) T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ha, ha! Oh, I think we will be in lockdown of some fashion for the rest of our days. Long live Wikipædia! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tony and other Wikipedians I hope it's ok for me to add my thanks here for the very warm welcome and helpful advice from Tony (and the rewording on Gumfreston) it's very encouraging to a new editor! I look forward to helping in any way I can and to learning from you all. Faktoj gravas (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Of course it's OK, Faktoj gravas; always appreciated. Good luck with your editing; lots to learn and lots to do! T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Merge of Laugharne and Laugharne Township

Just a heads up on your suggestion of 6 years ago! Sirjohnperrot (talk) 06:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tony, I'm Phil. Delighted to see your support for the above long-overdue merge, it proved a key contribution in getting it over the line. As a new editor I find your user page particularly helpful, thank you very much for the many insights and well targeted advice on policies. It seems we share a birthyear and also an interest in family history - "the science of fools with long memories"  :-) In my case it's that of my wife, whose earliest confirmed ancestor was from Laugharne (which is sadly where the evidence trail seems to have petered out.) I noticed that the quality rating for its article is currently on the lowest rung and thought I might have a go at gradually improving it, taking full account of your 'Aiming for B' and "Style" guidance. As the author of numerous articles on Welsh villages etc yourself perhaps you could recommend one of those, or possibly other examples from the Wales Project list, to follow as a model of good practice during my apprenticeship! Sirjohnperrot (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Phil. Virtually any article can be improved, so I recommend going wherever your interest takes you. Part of my "apprenticeship" was to work on the village where I live and by doing that learn about referencing and formatting. I probably went OTT with quantity, but learned a great deal. If you want to improve Welsh villages you could do no better than look for stub articles e.g. in Pembrokeshire and expand those. Another way to do it is look at Lists of places in Wales and look for red links. Dip into Wikipedia guidelines often, where you will learn much.

As far as genealogy goes, my family research stalled in the 18th century (bricklayers didn't leave much of a mark in written history!), but my interest in the name goes back to the Norman conquest.

Good luck. If I can help in any way, just ask. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:08, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Narberth Forest

Is an article indicated for this subject? A combination of Canaston and Minwear. Maybe as an alternative a more general article on forests in Pembrokeshire?? If so I think you post on a Wales project page. A starter source is [17].SovalValtos (talk) 01:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

There is a little in the Pembrokeshire Agriculture section. Would that be a better place?SovalValtos (talk) 01:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

SV - Possibly there is an article. Good idea to suggest at Wikiproject Wales. It's not something I would be interested in creating, but you have made a start, so continue? Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I need more experience before creating articles. Incidentally, I see you have come across a new editor on RNLI who is trying to run before they can walk. Copyvios with images seems to be a particular problem.SovalValtos (talk) 01:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

There's no better experience SV than doing (someone said). Yes, new editors: sometimes they engage; sometimes they leave. Who knows which? Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hampshire County Council coat of arms

Hi Tony

Thank you so much for leaving a message. I work in Corporate Marketing at Hampshire County Council. The image of the Hampshire County Council coat of arms that features on a number of Wikipedia pages IS NOT the approved version of the coat of arms. I've tried to find the source and it looks like it has been uploaded by User:Fenn-O-maniC - this is not work officially commissioned by Hampshire County Council and we do not want it being circulated online as it misrepresents Hampshire County Council.

Please have it removed from all instances it appears, including wiki-Heraldry and Wikimedia Commons.

My email is corporate.marketing@hants.gov.uk if you wish to verify my comment.

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Julia Gavin Julia.gavin@hants.gov.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Gavin at Hampshire County Council (talk • contribs) 16:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Julia Gavin at Hampshire County Council thanks for your message - Discussion moved to Talk:Hampshire. Please comment there, not here. Ta.
Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:46, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tony, we have no objections to the Coat of Arms created by Fenn-O-maniC, as long as it is clearly labelled either a depiction or a representation of Hampshire County Council's Coat of Arms in the title and subtitle. Kind regards, Julia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Gavin at Hampshire County Council (talk • contribs) 13:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

A new one on me, but delicious. I admit to having a sweet tooth. Thank you! (BTW, couldn't get your username to show; how do you type it?). T Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Temporal notability

Hi Tony Holkham, I noticed your recent "keep" vote at Afd/Tom Rees, and I agree with it; but not for the reason you gave. You said, "Notability is temporally relative", but that's not so; Notability, once achieved, is forever. That doesn't mean that consensus can't change whether they were ever notable in the first place, but not because of the passage of time. Just thought you'd like to know. Happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, Mathglot. I probably used the wrong word, which may have been read as "temporary", but I was making the point that just because the man lived a long time ago, he was just as notable as a "modern" hero. That's all I meant by "temporally" (i.e. in respect of time). Glad you were for keeping the article, too. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Church of St James and St Elidyr

Tony - have sent a mail. KJP1 (talk) 22:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Archive 1

Scarlet and the Black page

You changed back my edits to the Scarlet and the Black movie page. The German commander of Rome WAS Herbert Kappler. Your information is incorrect. I am watching the movie right now and Kappler is mentioned multiple times. In fact the page already mentions him and your edit makes no sense. Please check your facts and you'll see you've made a mistake. Judas2610 (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Judas2610, I disagree. SS-Obersturmbannführer Herbert Kappler (his real name) was the officer in command in Rome. SS-Obergruppenführer Max Helm (representing Karl Wolff) was in command of Italy. He appears briefly in the film. The original article was correct. Kappler was a real person, whereas Helm was based on a real person, as the article explains. Helm was not based on Kappler. Kappler was based on Kappler. Please change it back. Thanks. Superb film, though; one of my favourites. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Judas2610, I have restored it. Please be civil in your edit summaries. Thanks. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I thought I was civil. Apologies if it came across as not being so - not my intention. Be well. Pat Judas2610 (talk) 19:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I was probably being a bit tetchy anyway. Stay safe. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Haslemere

Hi @Tony Holkham: I am in the final stages of my work on the Haslemere article. I have a few more things to add, but nothing major. I have left a note on the talk page asking for some help with a few issues that have arisen. I know you are busy with your house move, but I would very much value your input into that discussion, especially as you have significant local knowledge. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 21:24, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mertbiol: - Removal deadline is looming, but I will do what I can. See Talk:Haslemere. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Dear Tony,
Merry Christmas and all very best wishes to you for a Happy New Year in 2022, in good health, joyfulness, and a sense of achievement, including here at the Wiki!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 10:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Seconded.SovalValtos (talk) 10:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both, very much, and the same to you. Best, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

RNLB Mary Stanford (ON 661)

I am concerned that there may be copyvio in the article, either from the RNLI [18] or from the book 'Mary Stanford" Disaster: The Story of a Lifeboat, November 15, 1928' by Geoff Hutchinson. The text of the book I have not found online to check; maybe you have access to a copy? The RNLI text may not be copyright but [19] suggests it is. Might you have time to investigate and possibly re-write before a possible copyvio is reported? Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 13:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

It isn't possible to tell where the text comes from as it is mostly unsourced. If it comes from Hutchinson, that's still in copyright. The best thing is if I tag the article and note on the talk page that unsourced text may be removed, which may prompt interested editors to do something about it. I don't have access to Hutchinson's book, and I am editing at a very low level at the moment. Best, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

De-linking redlinked taxa

Like I said on the WikiProject page, this one's pretty situational. However, there is an issue with overlinking redlink taxa that should not be linked. Leave anything in taxoboxes alone, that's too complex to fully explain here right now. There's stuff I'd personally delink that's not covered by the below, but that's because I know exactly why I'm doing so. Without that level of personal judgement, however, it's better to play things safe, so the list below is on the safe side of things. (meaning it'll see you ignore some stuff that can be removed, instead of seeing you remove some stuff that should've been ignored)

To start off, to avoid repeating myself ten times or so: handling redirects depend on target. Blue links that redirect to the page they're linked from should obviously be de-linked; blue links that redirect to a different page should just as obviously not. With exception of self-redirecting stuff like the above, and some subspecies, blue links should remain in place.

• Superfamilies (stuff ending on -oidea) and higher taxa: Needs sufficient taxo-judgement that I'd say keep in place
• Families (stuff ending on -idae): Major rank, keep in place
• Subfamilies (stuff ending on -inae): Generally, keep in place. Exceptions:
  • Subfamily of a family that only has one subfamily: If red-link, de-link. (But only from the parent taxon's article, because ideally, someone would come along to create those as redirects to the relevant section of the family article at some point and no one's gonna like having to re-add dozens to hundreds of links after that's happened)
  • Subfamily fully covered in the family article (including a full list of genera): if red-link, de-link (But only from the parent taxon's article, because see above)
• Tribes (stuff ending on -ini): Generally, check the relevant subfamily article. If it fully (including a list of genera) covers the tribe(s) in question, red-links can be removed from said subfamily article. (But not from elsewhere, because once again, ideally, someone would come along to create those as redirects to the subfamily article at some point)
• Subtribes (stuff ending on -ina): Almost never need their own articles (but exceptions do exist). When they do, those articles will usually exist already. If fully (including list of genera) covered by an existing parent/grandparent taxon article (subfamily or tribe, depending on which exists), delink from the nearest existing parent taxon's article only (see above)
• Genera: Leave links to genera be, red-link or blue.
• Binomials/species: keep these. While an argument can be made we might not need articles for each of these, that's a discussion that's far from settled and unlinking them en masse is going to cause disruption more than it's going to help. (See below for the one exception, though)
• Trinomials are subspecies and those should almost never be separate articles. There's a handful of notable subspecies, but the overwhelming majority of them should be covered in the article of the species they're a subspecies of. When you see such links: if they're red, remove. If blue and they lead to a "[trinomial] is a subspecies of [binomial] in the family [family]" + infobox type sub-stub, WP:BOLDly redirect them to the species article (& unlink such links from the species article because looping links are useless). If a more substantial article, however, keep in place.

Species exception: monotypic genera. A genus with just one species should not have a separate article for the genus and the species, they should both be covered at the same place, and that's usually the genus-level article. (but see WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA for exceptions regarding vernacular names & disambiguation) Monotypic taxa covered at genus level thus do not need the species to be linked, because that species should not be an independent article but simply a redirect back to the genus, and self-loops are not useful. However, do not assume that because only one species is listed, the genus must thus be monotypic: that pretty often isn't the case. Only remove species-links from monotypic genus articles that explicitly state "monotypic", "its sole species", or similar somewhere in the actual prose.) AddWittyNameHere 17:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@AddWittyNameHere: Thanks for this. I will assimilate. All new to me, but I guess it will sink in and I'll do what I can. Your explanations have been very helpful. Cheers! Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

You're very welcome. It's not a major priority to delink that stuff, just something no one generally gets around to because of how many of such gnomish tasks there are + the number of articles in the WikiProject, so it's one of those things best done when already at the article for some other reason. (Lepidoptera has a lot of tasks like that) And yeah, I figured it was all new to you, hence why I typed out the halfway-to-essay above: explanations that assume a base level of knowledge that may not exist make things more not less confusing, especially in an area as jargon-heavy as taxonomy.

If you come across some Lepidoptera issue with no clue how to fix it, or see something done on a lot of pages that seemingly makes no sense and you'd like to know "hey, is that the way it should be done, and why?" or just generally want to get an idea of "hey, what would Witty do when they came across this article", you're always welcome to toss them over my way or ask my opinion. If I'm around, I'll take a look and/or type up an explanation. :) AddWittyNameHere 09:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks again. I have other interests, but Lep has always been one ever since I developed an interest in entomology pre-teens, and I'd like to do more on this topic on WP. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, Lepidoptera are fascinating. (And the WikiProject really could use more editors, so I'm glad to hear so!) Best wishes to you as well. AddWittyNameHere 10:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Reassessing

Thanks again for the reassessing efforts! Just wanted to note that articles like Eriogaster lanestris can be safely nudged up to C (in this specific case, I'd even argue B), when you come across them: no major issues, all the major points (appearance, behaviour, life cycle, distribution and habitat, interactions with humans (for species with actually notable interactions, like agricultural, medical or cultural significance), etc.) covered, decently referenced. AddWittyNameHere 20:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC) P.S. Missed it during my previous check of your reassessment and came across it today, hence the late note.

Westwood page

Nice one tony good job WikiEditor Lennon (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that WikiEditor Lennon. I'm a fan. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Dear Tony,
I hope you are keeping well and in good cheer? All is well here, and I feel very lucky to be one of your colleagues and to be able to enjoy working with you, even if only occasionally. I look forward to more of it in the coming year, should our paths cross again on some article or other.
Until then, I send my very best wishes to you and yours for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in 2023, in good health, joyful spirits, and a sense of achievement in all that you do, here in Wikipedia and in real life.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 11:57, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

How kind you are, Patrick, and I reciprocate wholeheartedly. With thanks and very best wishes.

Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year...

... to all my WikiFriends, especially Gareth, Patrick, SV and whoever may be tuned in here. Mine has started with a dose of Covid, so the only way is up! Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Thankyou for the kind public greeting, best wishes for a speedy recovery! Lot of it about at the moment, half my family are down with it but thankfully (in this context at least) they live far enough away to not have seen them in person. Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 13:57, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth Sombart article

Hi Tony. I saw an article you created years ago entitled Elizabeth Sombart. I was in London in February (2023) and heard Sombart's performance with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. I saw that she had a Wiki article created by you and I became motivated to expand it. To start, I made a photo of her and uploaded it. Sources about her early life are scant and I've become discouraged. Presently the article is a mess. Would you take a look and maybe jump in and give me a hand with it or at least give some guidance? Regards, Eagledj (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Eagledj: I created the article from French WP. See my reply on Talk:Elizabeth Sombart. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Godalming.

Hello. It now needs, please, to be removed from Alan Bromlys's main page, too, as it states ' Godalming ' there, as well, and has remained unchallenged for a very long time. Thanks. H. Heath St John (talk) 02:41, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

With Alan Bromly not living, I don't think it matters for now. It depends whether either of the references state his birthplace, but as they are not online, someone would have to go to a library! Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks.

All I'd say in conclusion is that it sbhould be either accepted, or not.

If allowed or disallowed, it should be consistent.

At present, it leaves it possiblty true, possibly untrue, which, if allowed, makes Wikipaedia a place of unconfirmed speculation, like any gossip you might chance to hear.

Well, there you are. Not a profound summary, I know, but it's on the record.

Thanks. Heath St John (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

You are correct of course. I, like many editors, tend to let these things slide as part of the "work in progress" ethos. I will try an online search on the gentleman. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Heath St John (talk) 15:40, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Second Battle of St. Michaels

Hello Tony Holkham: Thank you for your interest and corrections in the Second Battle of St. Michaels. Here is my non-Wikipedia version of the "battle". British Rear Admiral Cockburn wanted to capture some deserters. He needed to punish them because discipline was a problem. British Colonel Thomas Sydney Beckwith's force was there simply to prevent American troops at St. Michaels from interfering. Cockburn was unable to find the deserters, but captured a few militia men that he later paroled. Beckwith did his job by preventing American interference. The Americans, after observing the withdrawal of Cockburn and Beckwith, thought they had prevented an attack on St. Michaels and driven away the British—a "victory" for the Americans. All of this seems obvious to me, but I could not find anything to cite. Instead, we have an American interpretation of what happened. TwoScars (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@TwoScars: Thanks for your message. I can see that the event could be seen from different perspectives but, as you say, without sources it's difficult. It might be worth trying again to engage on the article's talk page, but with fewer than 30 watchers, there may not be much interest, but you never know. All the best, Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hi, just regarding your revert here [20], could we maybe then use a different term than "national identity" ? I'm not sure to which bit you're referring later on, because there's no mention of "national identity" until Tryweryn in 1965? Yr Enw (talk) 06:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Yr Enw - this belongs in Talk:Wales, so that other editors interested in your question can see it, so I have copied it there and will answer it there. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings!

Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, and the same to you Doc. Just moved house (took 6 months), so hope to be able to do more next year. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

That's a long move! :-) ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, Doc, it was via north Hampshire; we actually left Pembrokeshire in Nov 2021, very reluctantly, and it has taken two years to get settled. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Glad to read on my Talk that you have at last got the move behind you, Tony. All the best for 2024!
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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CCI

Hi Tony - great to see you. I'll leave Pages 1861 to 1880 to you or we'll edit-clash. It would be nice to clear this on St David's Day! KJP1 (talk) 12:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll do my best. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm now going down Pages 1761 to 1780 - we'll meet somewhere! KJP1 (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Not sure how much I will get done as other things wanting my attention, but will press on for the moment. ;o)) Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries, really appreciate the help. The end is definitely in sight! KJP1 (talk) 14:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Got to break off now, but will continue later if there's still some to be done. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hugely appreciate it. I think there are only five entries left, which should be done before you're back! KJP1 (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

We're done. Really, really appreciate your help. KJP1 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

And on a different note entirely….

Just wanted to offer a belated congrat.s on your GA for Pembrokeshire. Casting about for something new to get my teeth into, I looked at the county article for my own adopted county, Monmouthshire. Although some editors have done some good work, it’s not in great shape, with big chunks missing which I would have expected to see; Economy, Transport, Demographics, etc., etc. So I thought I would see how other Welsh Principal areas were handled, and came across Pembrokeshire. It’s a model! - and I’m not surprised it’s the only PA GA. I hope you will take it as a compliment if I shamelessly nick the structure, with proper attribution of course. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

KJP1 - Thanks for your kind comments, and good luck with the GA quest. It's hard work and close collaboration, but nice to enjoy the process, and a source of pride to be involved in it. Not sure I'm up to it for the future, as I have been editing much less of late, but who knows? I'll be interested to see how Monmouthshire goes - it's not a county I know that well, but have driven through it many times. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Lifeboats & Ojsyork

Dear Sir I am troubled by your comments while discussing lifeboat names, or unnamed.

I only started updating in November. Most lifeboat pages were found missing or needing up to date information, so I grabbed the bull by the horns, and started making updates. The most significant thing I have done, is rearrange fleet tables so they are all the same format, and added a whole section of Station Honours for nearly all pages.. I have added missing boats, ON numbers, class types etc as referenced by the LBES handbook, and added info such as 30-foot Self-righting (P&S), taking great care to maintain format. I do not wish to upset anyone.

Having not made any significant contribution for 5 years, this chap seems to have taken umbridge at my attempts to make updates.

I have had updates completely rewritten after just 12 minutes. I have suddenly found pages and tables rearranged while I'm mid edit. He has been trailing me around all the South West sites, making a point of changing every addition I have made, changing Unnamed to (No Name), changing class type to whatever he chooses - I believe the latest one is 'Standard Lifeboat', and making all tables sortable - even ones with only two entries. He is deleting entries to valid pages, such as 35ft 6in self-righting lifeboats. And in one case, he created a whole history of gallantry, so he could delete my Station Honours entry.

I'm not well acquainted sufficiently with Wiki to be able to raise a fuss and say vandalism.

I'm not a bad guy. I'm really very reasonable and care about what I do. I have now created a further 12 station pages, one on Steam-class lifeboats, one on Civil Service lifeboats, and created or amended all the D-class pages.

So please don't judge me by my profile notes, which are borne of the absolute nonsense I have endured from a fellow member of the group after only days into editing. MartinOjsyork (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork - I have read some of your discussions and remarks with (and about) other editors as a result of following some of the articles you have edited. Your repeating some of the difficulties here on my talk page only confirms my initial instinct not to join the discussion and increase the wordage. Thank you for the articles you have created, and good luck with your editing. If I may offer one piece of advice, it would be to remember above all else that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and that may sometimes require us to compromise. I think that's key to happy editing. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and advice.

Martin Ojsyork (talk) 11:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)