User talk:Sadads/Archive November 2010- April 2011

Ernest T Cragg Article Suggestion

Thank you very much for the suggestions and pointer to WP:Lead - I had not been familiar with that.

I actually have a lot of things I want to do both to that article, and Edward "Porky" Cragg I spent several days at the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwell AFB and have copies of the unit histories for their units. Since Wikipedia does not allow original research, I am planning to "do the research" in my family web sites, then reference it in the Wikipedia articles. Do you think that would be acceptable?

The big problem T I M E

thanks again

ed Ecragg (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes personal websites are fine, but it depends on what level of reliability is evoked by your credentials (See WP:IRS). It may be a fine external link, but I am not sure if your website will be an appropriate reference. However, if you host copies of original documents, those may be adequate for improving factual statements within the articles, Sadads (talk) 17:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

Hi, you are doing some great work here. I'll assist where I can. --Martin (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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Anthologies

Hi Sadads, User talk:42and5 has made mass adds to many poets pages of anthologies that they have been included in. I wondered if you have roll back rights. Thanks Span (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I will take a look, Sadads (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheers. Span (talk) 21:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, Sadads (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Lovely. Thank you. Span (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Quicksilver

Hey Sadads - I just wanted to give you a heads up that I'll be doing some rewriting of Quicksilver. Don't have a lot of energy or time for it at the moment, but the paraphrasing should be scrubbed out, so I'll be hacking at it slowly - in case you were wondering. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, I will keep an eye on it, and help you where I can. In two weeks, I can do a serious amount of work on it, but until then I am kindof swamped, Sadads (talk) 06:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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Jab se you have loved me

This page meets all criterion to be in Wikipedia.

It is a wonderful book, published by one of India's largest publishers. It is not self-published and is becoming a popular book with young people.

Check it out at India's largest online bookstore www.flipkart.com. Type Jab se in the SEARCH field. Note the ISBN too.

Regards, Deep Kishore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepkishorewiki (talk • contribs) 07:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually it doesn't, as the nominator at the deletion review points out, that book does not meet the WP:Notability (books) criterion, please provide sources to help prove notability if you believe it is in fact notable, Sadads (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Peer Review for Life at the Bottom

Hey, I just started a peer review for the article Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass, which you can find here. As you are listed under the volunteers section as a generalist for Language and Literature, if you have the time, could you take a look at the article? Thanks. Silverseren^C 02:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Peer review of WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms articles

Would appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on how Benty Grange helmet and Pioneer helmet could be improved as you obviously have greater expectations on content than I would have thought appropriate for encyclopaedic content and would appreciate some guidance there. Thanks for your help so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathandbeal (talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I would make sure you read WP:Verifiability. Sometimes, content doesn't have enough scholarship to adequately go beyond very basic information. I am mostly looking for a little broader sense of the artefacts and their importance, for examples see Meyrick Helmet and Mahiole for examples, but note neither of them are more than C or start class. You might also want to talk to WP:GLAM/BM about getting a curators support in further researching the items at the British museum. They have a very close connection to Wikipedia, and would likely be more than supportive of getting you more information about the artefacts. Sadads (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Purge (novel)

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Sorry

Sorry for snapping. I edit conflicted you and am annoyed at spending so much time cleaning up a mess that someone else made. Anyway - it would be very helpful if you could chose any article listed on this page, start pulling up the sources in gbooks and checking for copyvio. If you find it, then remove, reword, or add quotation marks and in-text attribution, and document what you've done on the talkpage. I haven't had time to set up my own subpage, and am logging off for a time. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Didn't feel like I was snapped at, but definitely appreciate the time you are putting in. Will take a look at the collaboration user page that you point, and do a little bit of work on it. Sadads (talk) 19:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Purge (novel)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Orphan Tags

Thanks for your work on removing them. I've done it to those I run across on the NRHP, but a general pass is a good thing. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 11:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

We have started working on it as part of the backlog reduction drive at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs, and I am automatically clearing the articles that have more than 3 links that way the backlog team has a more accurate sense of how many we have to unorphan. We can always use more help, feel free to sign up at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs/Participants and progress, Sadads (talk) 15:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I have to ask -- why stop at 3? Many of the NRHP articles have only the one certain incoming link from the state, city, or county list. Policy says they are not orphans and I've long wondered why they should have the nasty message at the top, as if they were somehow not worthy. Yet buildings that are notable for their architecture are unlikely to have any other logical links in.

I spend almost all of my time now as an Admin on Commons. We are woefully behind there, so it's unlikely I'll do a lot on WP:EN for a while. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 15:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB removes the orphan tag by default at 3 links. However I feel that that the more incoming links the more likely someone who is reading a Wikipedia article will click into it and read it and decide they can expand it. Unorphaning articles increases the likelihood of exposure of the article and in turn the likelihood that someone will edit it. The more links the more traffic. Three is a good minimum because it ensures that the network of links is not linear but through a network to multiple more-linked pages (again increasing likelihood of exposure). One link is a little weak, tending to lead to linear paths to articles. Ideally I would write a navbox for each article which would create a network of 20+ articles that interlink and share traffic. I can't do that with topics I don't know very well, but for WP:Novels articles I write them all the time, and its really effective in increasing traffic.Sadads (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

That's fine theory, but it doesn't work well for NRHP sites. Take, for example, A. C. Smith & Co. Gas Station. It is on the National Register because it is a typical gas station of the period. There is nothing else notable about it and it is unlikely that any article (other than National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts) could be appropriately linked to it. In a smaller city, one could imagine a list of NRHP sites in the city article, but that would just duplicate the existing list here.

There are roughly 80,000 NRHP sites. There are about 500,000 Listed Buildings in the UK. Policy says that all of them deserve articles, and about half the NRHP sites actually have them. 24,000 of them are stubs and are unlikely to get much beyond stub status because there simply isn't much more known about the building. Many of these will, like the gas station, have no logical inbound links beyond the regional list. Is it really appropriate to put a "second class citizen" tag on thousands of articles when there is no logical way out of the paucity of links and it is unlikely that anyone is going to put in the time anyway?

And, by the way, I, for one, would rather see editor time going into stubbing out the remaining 44,000 NRHP sites that don't have articles, so that when a user goes into a list of sites in an area, he or she can get a little information on all of them. Why discourage that by putting an orphan tag on someone's work? . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 17:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Guo Yi

Please be careful; you were linking bunches of "Guo Yi" that were not the same Guo Yi that you were trying to link to. --Nlu (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, thank you for fixing them, Sadads (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

E De people

No problem - I just felt a little quippy. Ergative rlt (talk) 20:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks to you too for finishing off the review so quickly! I didn't even know it started! Derild4921Review Me! 23:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. I hadn't realized that that had drug on so long! I would have come in to help push it through. Sadads (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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GameLab

Could you please create the article before making redirects to them? Broken redirects qualify for speedy deletion under criterion G8 (apologies if you already knew that). --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 14:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion contested: Haloga

Hello Sadads, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Haloga, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. ǝɥʇM0N0^farewell 03:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool

Hi! I noticed that you've been adding several articles to the Article Feedback Tool pilot list. I think it's great that you are interested in being involved with the pilot but I'm going to have to ask you to stop. The articles you added the tool to are not good candidates for the "Additional Articles" list, so I'm going to remove them from the category. If you like, you can join in our discussion about it at mw:Article feedback/Public Policy Pilot/Additional Pages.

Thanks!--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was just messing around with the tool, tell me if you need help for a broader deployment, Sadads (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries! We'd be happy to have you help out, if you like. We have a workgroup page on MediaWiki.org where we are doing our planning and discussion. I believe Howie is planning to start a drive for finding more of our "additional pages" - and I know several of the ones we've identified haven't been added to the category.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Oops. I fixed the link.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Sadads. It would be great if you could be involved. As Jorm said, right now we're selecting more article to deploy the tool to. There are two other folks helping out: User: Pjoef and User: Fetchcomms. Check out this section of the workgroup page -- hopefully the three of you can work together! Howief (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Right now I am a little busy, but maybe towards the end of the month I can take on a responsibility, Sadads (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Novels!?

Careful with AWB there, sonny -- you just tagged Embracing Defeat, a Pulitzer-winning nonfiction work, as a novel! Jpatokal (talk) 09:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It was tagged as an article within the scope of WP:Novels (I removed it, see this diff). Sorry about that, but people need to be a little more careful about what project they put articles in! Sadads (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Planet killer deletion

You put the following notice on my Talk page: "A discussion has begun about whether the article Planet killer, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted". I'm curious as to what metric you used to obtain my name, since I don't think I've ever seen, much less contributed, to that article before, and my username appears nowhere in the article history. I think you'd better double-check. If you've sent out such notices to people who are not involved with the article, it may be that you've also failed to notify people who are involved.RandomCritic (talk) 15:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I invited everyone who participated in the original deletion discussion in 2007 (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Planet_killer) because all of the major early contributers were either IPs or their accounts are gone, Sadads (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

VWBot

I appreciate your constructive criticism of comparing my bot to a vandal. Perhaps you would like to pitch in at WP:CCI so that there's no need for automation? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

There may be need for animation, but the current animation is very clunky and is causing an overt amount of work for other users. Perhaps some sort of tag and backlog that isn't as intrusive as the current Copyvio tag. Something to the effect of "This page was edit by User:Example, who had a considerable history of copyright violation. Please examine this article for any possible .." This would do the same thing, without the blatant destruction of content your bot is doing now. Sadads (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I feel obligated to point out that the work has been caused by Pohick2/Accotink2 - they are a known repeat infringer and all of their edits have to be checked for copyright violations, the question is who checks them and when. What's your opinion of a tag like this one used previously? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

That one takes over the page when we are not at all sure whether the user did in fact violate copyright. I would prefer that above the text of the article, not hiding it.Even if that means we have a backlog that doesn't always get rapid attention, at least we are making very clear that we don't mean to have copyrighted material displayed and that if anyone finds objections, they should in fact remove it. I know it is not the ideal solution, but at least we aren't destroying content that we don't have a clear verdict on. I think it was very different in the case of User:Susanne2009NYC, who was very clearly using paraphrase materials, and even she did constructive edits along side. Accotink2 did a lot of very good and constructive work, and a finer toothed comb for articles that he created should be our major concern, not reverting everything that he worked on, Sadads (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to address your points in reverse order here and more generally than just the Accotink2 situation, if I may. I agree that a fine-tooth comb for those editors who have contributed good edits as well as copyvios is certainly preferrable because we would like to keep any clean edits, but the issue is that the backlog is rapidly growing and not enough editors are willing to actually spend the time and effort required to clean up copyvios, even when they are tagged. Do you honestly feel that tagging a page for a likely copyright problem will result in serious action being taken to uncover copyright problems beyond what already occurs by listing an article at WP:CCI? Even active articles with tens of thousands of viewers have copyright problems tagged for months with no action taken: see here for example. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Your backlog is not the only backlog that has difficulties, BLPs and Orphaned articles are very good examples. Backlog is good though, that means we are admitting to our problems, even though we will never have the manpower to make everything perfect. For CCI in particular, as long as OTRS is responsive to issues about copyrighted/problematic content from outside communities, I don't think a large backlog is exactly a problem. I think right now its more a matter of admitting our faults and reaching out to larger communities, and getting more people interested in Wikipedia in general and not worrying about fixing every mistake immediately.

Have you considered a semi-automated screening tools, instead of a pure bot. Perhaps something like Wiki Cleaner for dabs or AWB. I have a lot of success screening articles manually with AWB for orphaned stuff. It's a matter of bringing attention to your backlog, not hoping that people will show up and then doing massive and destructive automated edits. I am sure if you ran some large scale drives like BLP you could rally more interest. GOCE has also had a lot of success with that. I mean, I haven't seen anything in Signpost about CCI's activities ever. Perhaps get your CCI cases on the Arbitration report? That might get more people interested in your process, especially people that have had problems/interest in particular editors or their activities. Right now it feels like a backcorner operation that you only hear about when some user undergoes an investigation and gets banned and you happen happening to be watching a related page. I think more visibility is really important for you guys to get any success without being destructive with bots.Sadads (talk) 20:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand how semi-automated tools would help. Any chance you could be more specific about that? As far as a drive goes, organizing a group of people is not really my forte, but that's something I'll bring up for the project, thanks. While the wikiproject has been mentioned before, when I looked I couldn't find any mention of CCI until this week's Signpost. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest some type of tool that moves through the tagged backlog and identifies the tagged contributions of the said editor and gives the screening volunteer a chance to make a decision based on the changes whether to revert or not, or tag for some other form of manual clean up. This could function kindof like AWB which allows you to do automatic changes however the user has to review each change before clicking save. Also WikiCleaner has a similar interface, but is focused on a particular backlog disambiguating links, I think could be a model for some type of Copyright screener that actually goes back and distinguishes which content comes from the CopyVio editor's contributions, Sadads (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the idea has possibilities, it will take some planning to figure out how best to set it up that would really help beyond going through CCI listings with Twinkle or the like, but I'll definitely look into it. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

It really could just be a variation on your current bots functions with a very human orientated GUI which you could refine to make a little more effective at actually finding copyvio, Sadads (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense, I'm not sure why I wasn't getting that before so thanks for explaining it in detail. Redesigning the code to actually find copyvio (at least by ruling out more non-copyvio elements) is what I'll be working on next for the fully automated task. Getting a robust and user-friendly GUI which displays those results would be the real trick then to a semi-automated tool after those refinements are made as it's been a few years since I wrote code for anything besides command-line interaction for personal use. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Night Thoughts of a Classical Physicist

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Assessment

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links to country-names

Hi, I noticed your post at Ohconfucius's page. WP:MOSLINK generally discourages such commonly known links as the anglophone country names, common European countries, Russia, China, India, Japan and the like; and also to continents and other huge geographical features. That is, unless there is a particular point to linking a whole article. Generally, a more specific link, if it is required in the context, can be found by section-linking or linking to a daughter article. What particular example did you have in mind? (I've watchlisted this page for your convenience, or respond on OC's?). Tony (talk) 10:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I think there could be something to disambiguated those links to be more specific to the context of the article. For example if it were "American writer" which happen to be the one that came across my watchlist [1], he should be linking to List of American writers not removing the link. Also, in the case of novels, I don't think it really hurts because nationality is very descriptive of them, and it is alright to duplicate links that are in the Infobox in the prose. Last night I didn't realize that there was a link in the infobox, but again the prose and infobox can have the same link in them (See Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Repeated links). Maybe we should get the AWB people to have the duplicate link finder ignore infoboxes.... Anyway those are my thoughts at least, Sadads (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think there's consensus that a link in an infobox can be repeated in the lead or elsewhere without the normal concern for avoiding (or at least rationing) repeated links in an article. Same can be true of tables. But the "List of ..." example is a bit of a problem (I just saw one to List of Russian novelists, piped to "Russian"). Readers are just so unlikely to click on a nationality that the more specific (and useful) link is largely wasted. This is why many editors prefer to place such a link either in full, unpiped in situ (although it's often awkward to work it in this way), or in the "See also" section (my usual preference if (i) fails). People are much more likely to click on the unpiped version rather than on a pipe that discards specific information. I do believe that linking and piping is an unrecognised art, and can be as interesting as making prose good. Tony (talk) 16:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• I guess it's a question of approach, whether to leave links such as [[United States|America]]n [[authors]] in place or remove them in the hope that someone will replace them with more a suitable/specific one such as [[List of American writers|American author]]. I feel that such generic links are next to useless simply because they add little or no value for the reader, and are better done away with; some argue that it helps 'build the web', but the truth is that nobody is likely to click on these anyway. However, I would concede it may indeed be better to remove these manually or at a lower speed, but replacing them in the fashion you suggest is quite laborious with AWB, negating most of the reason for using the tool. That was why I chose to remove it cleanly in that case, although I have in the past and continue to 'improve' links in the manner described. If we are to succeed in building a culture of 'smart linking', I suggest let another person put a better link on it, in the manner of the 'teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life' philosophy. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I would think the traffic to United States would deny that point [2], that hardly anyone uses those links. I would think the overlinking of United States, makes it that much more valuable of a hub for United States topics, because people can go there and find links to more general subarticles on the topic. For example, I would hardly think Federalism would [http://stats.grok.se/en/201012/Federalism get nearly as much traffic it wasn't on the tail end of the overlinking to the US article, Sadads (talk) 02:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

You may well be correct. However, with the current state of technology, your assertion cannot be proven. Knowing as we do that search engines are very strong drivers of net trafic, one may be able to assert strongly that it may be as much, if not preponderantly, due to the top billing at search engines such as google and Yahoo!. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Ditto for Federalism at Google and Yahoo!. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject Dacia

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Mentor Help!

So per the usual I spent the entire week on my paper, and have devoted little to no time to my wikipedia project. I'm working on it now, and even the intro para is giving me trouble. For some reason not all of the text I typed is showing up. Any ideas? IR393.awc211 (talk) 1.37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

A problem I ran into at JMU was students were just using the edit section buttons and not using the main edit button near the search bar, thus not actually writing stuff in the lead section but actually in the first section with a section header. Also, make sure that you aren't refreshing the page any time you do an edit (that can clear the text you have entered). Otherwise, I can't see any reason why your edits would have that problem. The history shows all of your edits staying.

Another thought though, while you were editing this article you removed a lot of the ref tags from previous authors. Generally we try to preserve as many references as we can when we are editing wikipedia articles unless of course the source isn't reliable or we find that the source does not support the information we are finding in the article or the information doesn't belong in the article. Also, I noticed you are using parenthetical citations, that is fine, however, the books shoudl be up in the Bibliography section and we really do prefer using the <ref> Reference text </ref> syntax for creating the references. If you don't make that change I am almost 95% sure that someone else will, so it's better not to create the work for other people, Sadads (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand not erasing the references already in place, but I tried by best to edit some of the sentences so that they were together. The references were repeated so many times in a row that I deleted some of them. And I know my parenthetical citations aren't okay- it was just so early in the morning that I needed to go to sleep. I'll be working on fixing them and try to integrate the citations that I deleted back over the next few days; I know it's my responsibility, I'm not planning on having someone else clean up my mess. I also wrote on the talk page of the article so people would understand I'm not just abandoning it how it is. However, is there a ref page on wikipedia that you can recommend? I found a variety of slightly different articles telling me how to cite things, but correct templates would be a huge help. Thank you! IR393.awc211 (talk) 13.18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The full citation style is really flexable, and if you want to see some of our "correct" use of templates see the documentation at Template:Citation or the various specific ones (Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book and Template:Cite journal). The footnote style for what you are doing is fine the "Author, Page#" format that you use in the parenthetical citations, so you may just have to replace the parenthesis with the ref tags. (And just to clarify, I was guessing you hadn't abandoned the article, but I wanted to make sure that you knew what the convention was even though we technically accept parenthetical citations), Sadads (talk) 06:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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request for assistance

One of my adoptees is looking for help uploading a photo to commons. I've done absolutely nothing with that before and therefore don't feel comfortable trying to walk him through it. Is that something you would be able to do? PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 21:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I can try, but you may want to direct him to File:Licensing_tutorial_en.svg and #5 on File:EarlyWiki2.pdf, which give advice and process information, and if there are still any questions, you can direct him to me. Also, FYI, we have a set of resources for Campus Ambassador and Mentoring use at WP:Ambassadors/Resources which may be useful for you in the future. Sadads (talk) 03:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

One of talk page stalkers has some experience with it and has replied to his questions. Thanks for the links! PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 15:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you know what the status is of the Jan 2 meetup?

I haven't heard anything solid about a time and location and its only a couple days away. --Kumioko (talk) 17:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

No clue, I am going to put out an e-mail today methinks, Sadads (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way I don't think I mention that I created a project page for the Library of Congress. Not sure if you were one of the folks working on that but I thought I would let you know anyway. There is a link on the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject United States. --Kumioko (talk) 17:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Okaydokey, unfortunately my time is being sapped by the Ambassador program and getting ready to study abroad in England, maybe I will take a look at it later, Sadads (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem just thought I would let you know. --Kumioko (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Adding "Portal" links

Hi, you've been adding links to Portal:Poetry to the See also section of many pages. Can you explain how such a link is supposed to help readers on that topic? They seem like spam links , meant to promote Portal:Poetry and hardly seem an improvement to the article. Has there been policy discussion somewhere advocating the thrusting of this link on every page loosely having to do with poetry? Shreevatsa (talk) 07:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a Featured Portal with relatively little traffic which, according to policy, is appropriate to add to see also sections of poetry related topics. Because I believe the portal is beneficial and helps individuals learn more about our good Poetry content, I have been adding it to pages, with the thought that it does not hurt the page and only helps expand the interconnectedness of Poetry related articles (note I only add it to articles with see also sections that did not have the poetry portal). I don't see how the portal could harm a page, and it certainly isn't WP:SPAM, because it is an approved navigational tool of the community. It is also recommended for those very same reasons at Wikipedia:POETRY#Templates_2. I did not bring it up as a discussion, because I felt it would be an uncontroversial edit, especially considering that all the articles are in Category:Poetry, which means they are inherently relevant to the topic or are miscategorized, Sadads (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. The purpose of the "See also" section is not to promote all and sundry "beneficial" links, only those closely related to the subject. If your reasoning were followed, a page on (say) an Indian poet and author in the Bengali language ought to have links to Portal:Poetry, Portal:Literature, Portal:India, Portal:Bengali, and probably dozens others. This would clearly be ridiculous. The link to Portal:Poetry is fine on articles like Poetry and maybe a handful of others, but not on the large scale in which you're carrying out this exercise. I wish you'd stop. (Also, random sections on provincial pages like "Wikiproject Poetry" don't really demonstrate Wikipedia-wide consensus, they at most show the opinion among those few editors who choose to spend time on things like Wikiprojects and not necessarily on the article in question. In any case, that page doesn't recommend sticking this link in every See Also section; it only says it should be put nowhere else.) In any case, I request you to use editorial judgment and add it only when the entire broad topic of subject is closely related to the topic of an article, instead of mass edits using automated tools. Shreevatsa (talk) 18:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

An odd question

Hi Sadads, for some reason I thought of you re this question: I want to upload the picture of these ski soldiers in from this article [3] for Camp Hale. I'm certain the photo is a military photo, but do you know how to get into the actual military databases of photos, or if not, which license to use. As anyone who watches my page knows, I have problems with images. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I took a look at the Army Center of Military History's webpage and AHEC and couldn't find a source or an image like that (they are the two most comprehensive digital repositories of Army History Stuff that I know of). You may want to make a request at AHEC (there in Carlisle, PA if that is anywhere near you) and see what you get, they have an amazing collection, and have the resources to digitize a lot of stuff. Otherwise, I am not sure how to handle the copyright problem on our end, it should be PD but until you can prove that from either the Army's end of things or the Museum where the times got the picture from, then I don't think we can slap the proper PD tag on it. However, if you do an inquiry about the 10th MD and Camp Hale to AHEC I bet you will get similar stuff, maybe even more than you know what to do with. Sadads (talk) 21:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll contact them. Initially I assumed most of the photos would be army photos, but once I wrote the article realized they had a huge recruitment effort involving national magazines, etc., so some of those photographs may not be army at all and probably still under copyright. Thanks for the links and the information. TK88 (talk) 21:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

I saw your request regarding the occupation of Estonia. Please let me know if you are still looking for additional information. Best! PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 04:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I would certainly love to have a Historical background section on Purge (novel). I had one in their that was empty, but they asked me to remove it for the DYK process. If you would be so good to write a historical background summary that would be great!Sadads (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the best thing would be for me to get the book and read through it so I'm aware of the specific circumstances reflected in the novel since it's both present, recent as well as flashbacks. Best! PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 03:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a great plan. I haven't read the book either, but it sounds pretty good. It's high on my reading list right now. If you read it and find my plot section to be a mess, it's because I wrote it based on the reviews I read, please improve it if you can. Sadads (talk) 01:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course you can't write your own review, you can only report what reputable reviewers have stated; however, having read the original yourself gives you an informed perspective which directly affects the quality of the article. :-) Best! PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 06:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I know, but encountering an article with so many good references that was a stub, it seemed to be a sin to leave it so short, so I have been working on it. I plan to read it soon, and see if I can get it through GA. And thanks alot for the interest, Sadads (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Your efforts are certainly appreciated! I bought the Kindle version to read on my personal laptop as I have a chance, unfortunately, work is uncharacteristically (for the holidays) hectic at the moment. Best! PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 06:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Children's Literature Awards

I know you tend to edit more of the adult levels but thought your opinion may be valuable. I've been working on different novels but thought I'd dip my foot a little into creation when I realizes that there was not a page on Monarch Awards (an Illinois award for children's books). I know that there are articles on nation wide awards but wondered if state level ones were encyclopedic enough. Anyhow, you can check out the draft in my sandbox. JesseMSmith (talk) 23:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, but you may want to see if you can find some more secondary sources that are from outside the library system which talk about the award, because some users may question the notability of the topic. IMHO, any award that garners both a monetary prize and recognition to an author with any academic community deserves attention, but some users may argue that it doesn't past the "do people talk about it" test. This sort of question insures the longterm keeping of the article, and the topic certainly will stick around for a little while, Sadads (talk) 01:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Improvement Drive

The Wine WikiProject has begun a modest 5-5-5 Improvement Drive. Would you be interested in participating in something like this for the Novels Wikiproject? In the month of January, a commitment to ensure that at least 5 novel-articles have maintenance tags removed, 5 stubs are improved to start/C/B-class, and 5 articles are created. I would participate but I'm not interested in doing it alone. If I can find a 'co-sponsor' I'll bring it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels —maclean (talk) 05:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I love the idea, and would love to see novels get back off the ground again. I think this could be a good place to start, and there certainly are enough novels articles that need to be destubbed and created. I am constantly creating navboxes with lots of redlinks to certainly notable topics, lets do it! Sadads (talk) 05:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I have created a section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels#5-5-5 Improvement Drive. maclean (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The Land of Green Plums

Pfff...I think I'm done for now. I look forward to your comments. Happy New Year! Drmies (talk) 18:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• PS: I'll be in Baton Rouge next week, for what turns out to be a four-day trip. My wife doesn't know this yet, but I'm sure she hates you all already... ;) Drmies (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

  Haha great to both, I am going to take a read through your additions tonight and will make some more comments, hopefully some helpful ones, Sadads (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Will you come bathe my kids and put them to bed, for three nights, and cook dinner, make breakfast and lunches? I blame you, you know. But you college kids, what do you all know about responsibility... Did your finals go well? We can't have B-students here. Drmies (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
    • I am on the Presidents list (All As). I am content with the finals, and am looking forward to my flight to Britain today! Sadads (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
      • Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Enjoy your trip. I'll write your president and congratulate him. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!

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Check out my note here. He removed/redirected your article. Codrin.B (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Anonimu

This guys is on a rampage. I reported his vandalism here. Please help with reverts and support. I saw you already did. Thanks!--Codrin.B (talk) 06:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you are jumping to quickly to conclusions about his motivations or approach to the information. I would suggest discussing this, without personal attacks or attacks on certain scholarly movements, on a talk page, not fighting this over a deletion review or through the intervention of administrators. The reason I reverted was because the articles clearly existed, and the explanations for the edits didn't seem adequete enough. That DOES NOT warrant a claim of vandalism. Sadads (talk) 12:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Good points. I agree. But you have to aknowledge how much deletionism and aggression these guys are capable of, without any attempt to communicate or collaborate with the project, without writting anything on the talk pages. Plus they rewrote the article during review, from a clearly non-neutral point of view. Just delete, delete, delete. The don't put efforts in creating articles, look for references. Very frustrating but you have good points....--Codrin.B (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

WPASK listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect WPASK. Since you had some involvement with the WPASK redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Mhiji 04:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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Images to Lists

After examining some of the Featured Lists, I think adding thumbnail images of the books toList of Latin translations of modern literature would help it tremendously. I tried submitting if for Peer Review, but alas no one even looked at it. I think I will just keep adding to it and then just submit if to FLC later. I was reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Books/Images and it basically encouraged the addition of non-free book cover images to WP using the {{Non-free book cover}} template. Since i have quite a few stockpiled, I think adding them as another table field with true thumbnail size images would work very well. Also having images of these items helps credibility, needless to say some of these books are very very rare and may never been seen outside of an institution. Do you have any advice? thanks. EraserGirl (talk) 03:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

It is fine to use the non-free book covers on that article, as long as their isn't an explicit article about the object using the non-free image somewhere else. Also, Non-free image use rationale suggests that you not use too many on one page, so I would suggest only using occasional examples, not an image for each book (just so the copyright people don't freak out, I think there is a legitimate legal reason for not using too many on one page, so don't get offended if even the illustrative ones are not up to par). A couple of illustrative examples include List_of_Digimon_video_games, List of Kingdom Hearts media, and Aurealis Award for best horror novel, etc. Sadads (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

At least by having a number of them at hand, i can choose the most illustrative ones to use. There are lists, which have a right hand sidebar with a few running images. Am I mistaken? I didn't see any images on any of those lists. EraserGirl (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Most of the lists that I have seen with images running a sidebar are of people (like sports teams and military leaders, both of which are easy to get in public domain images). You might want to make an inquiry at one of the list projects, Sadads (talk) 14:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

UK

Are you off for a semester abroad? Drmies (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes sir, at Oxford actually, I am attending Hertford College. Its rather exciting and new! Sadads (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I'm jealous. Does your dorm/building/house look like this? Drmies (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Importance assessments

Just noticed that you changed my importance assessment on The Bishop's Man. Feel free to do that whenever you feel I've botched it; my importance assessments are not a strong point. The "novels" scope is so large that it's hard for me to get a grasp on where things fall importance-wise. However, I generally feel that it's better to give it some type of rating rather than just leave the field blank. How's Oxford? PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 17:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Oxford is fun, I am really enjoying the people and the environment. I don't think your assessment was too far off, you just happened to make the change just between me reading the talk page and reading the article. Generally anything that wins some type of literary award is a little more important than the average importance novel. (And I was about to rate it C also, by the by). I generally thing everything should get some type of rating on the importance field as well, and am glad that more people than just myself are on top of it most of the time! Sadads (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Dacia scope clarifications and disclaimer

Hello! Given the potential for conflict and suspicions raised by the WikiProject Dacia , I added an important notice for scope clarifications and disclaimer in the intro section. If interested and willing, please review and provide any feedaback and suggestions you may have. Thank a lot! --Codrin.B (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Super cool changes and reorg! Thank youuu!--Codrin.B (talk) 20:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's important not to make things sound like we are advocating not using any given position, it's just we want to avoid positions which make the article unbalanced. I am glad you like the changes! Looks like we have a lot more members now, yeah! Sadads (talk)

I am in 100% agreement! --Codrin.B (talk) 20:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

"Dialog" is, of course, a noun, I've made a slight substitution which I trust is amenable to you and others. PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 21:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me, although I am not sure what was wrong with Dialogue.--Codrin.B (talk) 22:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Confused

Er, are all users seeing that ad or is it targeted at me? If the latter why would you think I was associated with Oxford? Egg Centric (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a WP:Geonotice, we are trying to find people who don't necessarily frequent mailing lists and the such, Sadads (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Getcha! I'm Greenwich so I expect it'll be going out to plenty of folk (oh, and I'm a light blue ;)) Egg Centric (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

C S Lewis

Hi Sadads, i was wondering if you are able to but a protection on C. S. Lewis after three weeks of much vandalism. Or if you know someone who can. Thanks. Span (talk) 23:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not an admin, but I made a request for protection at WP:Requests for page protection, Sadads (talk) 09:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll note the page. Best wishes Span (talk) 19:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Lionel Lincoln DYK

Hi, I reviewed your DYK nomination for Lionel Lincoln last week. However, Wetman has raised an issue here. Could you have a look at it please. —Bruce1ee^talk 05:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot

Thanks for assessing "Angelfire." -- James26 (talk) 01:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Spring 2011/Professional and Technical Editing (Cindy Allen) mentorship

Hey Sadads, I got a flurry of interest in my mentorship in the above course, and just thought I'd pop by to say hi to you, and to let you know I've "adopted" five students. Looking forward to it all. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats very exciting, I am glad to hear it. I helped recruit both the professor and the Campus Ambassadors, and they are full of enthusiasm for this project, I hope it will be really fruitful. Unfortunately I am not there on campus to help them, but I think they are very prepared. Eventually, you may have to trade a few students so that when they start working in pairs you don't have to juggle alot of articles and we don't have to many Ambassadors on each article, but I am sure that will be easy to work out, especially if no-one requests me right away. If you have any problems, I have multiple channels for talking to the professor and Campus Ambassadors. For this class, expect lots of little edits to lots of pages the entire semester. Because one of the main focuses of their coursework is on copy editing, I think the Guild of Copy Editors may get an influx of new copy editors cleaning up basic problems, and I think these students will spend lots of time completing small assignments copyediting for their classwork in addition to the big article writing. Could you identify the students you are mentoring on the class page somehow, possible examples on how to organize this can be found at here and here, Sadads (talk) 23:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Copyediting is needed on Wikipedia, so I'm glad to see we will be having a course devoted to it. This is really a great place to practice those skills! I'll go and mark my mentee(?) now along with leaving the GOCE a line with your name on it, if that's okay with you (if you know the professor, it may be better if a GOCE coordinator talks through you for the initial contact... just my thought) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and I am really looking forward to working with you all, Sadads (talk) 00:47, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Thanks for the consideration! :) I'm not really the mentoring type, I don't think, and life's a bit hectic to commit to something like that. But I'll certainly keep the program in mind for the future. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Hi there! Thanks for the thought --I've been actually debating about participating. My issue is that I'm currently an adjunct instructor of law at both a law school (spring) and undergraduate (fall) and I need to gauge whether I can make enough time to be effective. I'll think about it :) --Bobak (talk) 03:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I just do not have time to do this in any formal sense. I try to be something of a Wikipedia ambassador, as I discuss my contributions with other students, and have (with limited success) encouraged others to contribute and offered them help in doing so. I appreciate your consideration, and I am sorry I cannot be more helpful. James McBride (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but unfortunately my work here is sporadic and I don't want to commit myself to something I won't always have the time for. —Bruce1ee^talk 05:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Unfortunately, I feel I will have to decline, as I don't quite fit the criteria. I'm always ready to help an editor if I notice that they need it, and will point them in the right direction if I can. Mjroots (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

There are a couple of things, firstly my recent disagreement with fellow admin BrownHairedGirl (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive220#Fresh eyes needed please) and I've had a long-running "difference of opinion" with MickMacNee which has resulted in two RFC/Us (mine, his). So you see, I believe I will probably fail the No significant concerns about behavior or interaction with other editors test. Also, I do not use IRC. Thanks anyway. Mjroots (talk) 14:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Hi and thanks for the kind words! The Online Ambassadors programme sounds like a pretty cool thing and I'd love to join.

The only real issue would be the requirement that I regularly devote some of my time to the initiative. That troubles me a bit because I am otherwise pretty busy and like to spend time on Wikipedia whenever I desire, with no regular commitment.

Can you explain as to what I'll be expected to do in that role in particular? And how pressing would my assignments be? I can devote the two hours a week if it's any two hours of the week, but it might be a problem if I'm expected to be available at a certain time on a certain date. — Toдor Boжinov — 08:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite but (as I responded to User:Thruxton who had already invited me) - I'll try to help anyone but I don't think I can formally sign up as the university I work for may see this as a conflict of interest, and I have limited time available.— Rod ^talk 08:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi and another vote of thanks. I'm in the same boat as TodorBozhinov, I'd love to help out, but I work inbetween projects, and unfortunately the projects have to come first, so I'm not sure I can commit to a specific time. Worm 09:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

That's pretty acceptable actually. I'll think about it further and I might apply! Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 15:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for initiating the conversation; I've actually thought about it recently. I enjoy mentoring and, as adjunct faculty, I've taught undergrad and grad school students. That said, I'll take a look at the ambassador program and see if I'm comfortable with the commitment. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Sadads, thanks for the note! I hadn't really looked at the program before-- to be honest, this semester's no good for me though. I'm taking a boatload of classes and on top of that, I'm having a lot of my time being sunk into clubs and my fraternity. But next semester I probably won't be taking as many classes, so over the summer I'll check out my schedule and see if I can fit it in better. I'll keep in touch about it. Nomader ^(Talk) 20:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, Sadads. I'm very flattered to be considered for the programme. I actually do quite a lot of teaching in my profession. However, I have limited time available these days. Real life is demanding, with a full-time job, and several other projects taking up my spare time (articles, lectures and books), so I simply do not have the time which I think this programme deserves from an Online Ambassador. Happy to be considered, though. Maybe sometime in the future, I do consider this to be a worthwhile and important programme. Manxruler (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you all for leaving notes, and sorry for not getting back to each of you personally, and I look forward to your participation with us in the future, I really think this program can help us pioneer a truely new way of interacting with new contributers, especially ones with a certain degree of expertise alreay, if anyone ever needs anything don't be shy! Sadads (talk) 05:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lionel Lincoln

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Assess Arkansas Militia in the Civil War

Would you mind assessing Arkansas Militia in the Civil War against the B class criteria when you have time? Aleutian06 21:24, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the welcome. One question: How many links merit an article to be de-orphaned? Wikipedia:Orphan says that any amount of valid links to an article make the article not an orphan. If I find that there are indeed links, should I untag and improve what I can or should I for certain work to get more links to that article? Lrkleine (talk) 03:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Articles become tagged as orphans when their are zero links coming in, and in my opinion you shouldn't delink until their are at least 3, which is possible except for the occasional geography article which may be particularly elusive at presenting links. I usually detag at that point (it is also when WP:AWB detags automatically, so someone is bound to detag it eventually anyway), Sadads (talk) 05:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador program

Thank you for suggesting this to me. It is something that I feel very enthusiastic about. In fact, I have in mind a couple of articles that I would love to encourage a group of students to work on, as they could be done in small bites, under the supervision of a teacher.

Unfortunately, I am going to be extrememly busy for about 3 months and apart from flying in to check my watched pages, may have little time to spare. I will try to keep this in mind when the major hassles of my life have eased off a bit. Amandajm (talk) 03:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem. If you want, you can always take on only one or two students to get the flavour of the program and keep yourself in the game! But no pressure, we all know real life really should take first priority (even though some of us act like it doesn't :) ), Sadads (talk) 05:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Edit Conflict WP:USPP

Hi Sadads, thanks for your help with the assessment page. I am still learning how to edit. I didn't mean to undo anything you did, I just didn't know someone else would help me so soon! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Haha, thats alright, I am one of the compulsive ones that is always on. I can fix anything if you accidently undid something. Edit conflicts are no biggy (in fact we had one when you modified your comment to my page). I just like to format thinks consistently, and sometimes the keywords and stuff are a little messy, so I just went ahead and did it. If you need anything, feel free to ask, I should be on over the next hour or so, Sadads (talk) 06:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Well thanks again! I am hoping that the research generates some excitement and discussion. I think the results are exciting, but I am resigned to being a nerd. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 06:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I am doing the typical historian thing already, reading way too much into the smallest bit of data and making all kinds of connections to other sets of information I have encountered. I hope there is some interesting conversation that does spark from this, and you get some interesting feedback for what to add to your report, Sadads (talk) 06:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Working Man's Barnstar

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For your efforts with the backlog clearance. Good work! Hugahoody (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, been a bit busy lately, but haven't gotten one of these in a while, Sadads (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Will you be my mentor?

I am in a class working on the US Public Policies initiative at JMU and was wondering if you would be my mentor.

Thanks, Kelsey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kac22 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes mam. First thing is first. Every time you make a comment on a talk page, make sure that you sign it with 4 tildas ~~~~, however you don't need to do that in edit summaries, it actually doesn't format properly, take a look at you contributions at contributions and see how that doesn't work properly. I like that you are already doing small edits, we always need people who pay attention to formatting and the like. If you are interested, I would suggest participating in the WP:Typo Team, which can always use support. Happy editing and feel free to contact me any time you need, I am also going to send you an e-mail that way we can find eachother on facebook and gchat so we can communicate easier if you like, Sadads (talk) 21:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually could you e-mail me or add an e-mail in your preferences? Sadads (talk) 21:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Hi. I really appreciate your invitation to become an online ambassador. I read through all the related pages of this project but unfortunately I do not have that much spare time to devote to this interesting tasks.--Mariordo (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Mentor

Hi! My name is Janna Lee and I'm currently a WRTC major at JMU. I'm in need of a mentor for my WRTC 240 class and was wondering if you'd be available. Just let me know! Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leejs89 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey sure thing, I am more than interested in participating (I am actually a student at JMU studying abroad in the UK.) As I told your collegue up above, remember to sign posts to talk pages using ~~~~. If you ever have any questions feel free to talk to me, and please turn on your e-mail option (instructions can be found at WP:E-mail and all e-mails are one way to your e-mail account, so whoever e-mails you doesn't see your e-mail address until you respond) so I can contact you quickly if I need and I can give you facebook information and the like, Sadads (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey! I had to change my topic from The Air Pollution Control Act to the Clinton School of public service. Apparently someone else had been editing the page, as well. But I've started on my new page but I've run into problems with citing. I've been using mainly one website and when I tried to add it to External Links it said there was an error when adding to the reflist. Suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leejs89 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Edits of concern, could you have a look

Hi Sadads, could you take a look at this? Doesn't seem 100% genuine to me. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll let RacePacket handle that one. Sorry about that, the students still are a little confused on whats going on, I will make sure Racepacket gets ahold of him, Sadads (talk) 21:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

It is genuine though? I couldn't find this user on the course list. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I don't know, I will e-mail the Campus Ambassadors, I don't have an official course list, Sadads (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I am betting that it is this person they used their JMU ID, Sadads (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

That's not actually a link. Well, it is, but it doesn't link to anyone, just to the search page. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, search pietrogp in the student search, it will confirm the first name on the project page, Sadads (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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Signs up. Would be great to get a medical class editing. I have been trying to twist the arms of my own students... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

We have a handful of medical students creating a student club at Imperial College London right now, so I would be surprised if they were not able to find a course in Medicine to work with for the fall. I am glad to see you applied! Sadads (talk) 11:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, Sadads. I've sent you e-mail. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Mentor?

Hi Sadads!

I am a student at James Madison University. We were given the opportunity to take part in the public policy Wikipedia project. In order to satisfy the requirements for this project I will need to create my own page on Wikipedia. Since I am new to this I was wondering if you would mind helping me tackle this task throughout the semester.

Thanks, Kelsey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feurerkm (talk • contribs) 16:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks like KrakatoaKatie said she would be your mentor on your talk page at User talk:Feurerkm. She looks like she is sick, so you may want to remind her that you are her mentor! Also, make sure you sign talk page comments with ~~~~. Hope that helps, Sadads (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Albemarle County

Hello! WikiProject Albemarle County, an outreach effort supporting development of Albemarle County and surrounding area related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been started. As a user who has shown an interest in related topics I wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the project. If you are interested please visit our page (currently under construction) and add the user badge to your talk page. Thank you!!!

- WikiManOne (talk) 19:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, my class is taking part in part of Wikipedia's Public Policy project with different schools. We haven't selected the article we are working on yet but hope you will be able to help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caleylynch4 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Thanks! Do you think a non native speaker in a country 6 hours ahead would make sense? The second question would be how much time does this need? But on the other hand I always liked to work with students. I will have a second look. --Stone (talk) 20:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

We certainly want you as long as you can explain Wikipedia, and from the level of contributions you have participated in, I would be surprised if you could not communicate what we are trying to get at (if you ever feel you are having a hard time communicating feel free to bring in another Ambassador to help). Also, we are mostly looking for people who can respond within 24-48 hours to issues related to student edits and monitor their edits and provide feedback on their contributions for about 2 hours a week (or more if you choose). Currently we have ambassadors from India to Europe and the United States, so the time difference thing I don't think should be an issue. I hope that helps, Sadads (talk) 22:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

So, back to teaching. I did it for a long time and this will be fun.--Stone (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Very good :) Sadads (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland

Saw that you tagged Alice. I'm in the process of trying to clean up - what a mess! Couldn't believe it, when I looked at it. I'm pretty stacked up workwise, and here on wiki am still working to scrub the Potter articles and nurse along a few others. Are you interested in helping with Alice? Certainly there's plenty of scholarship available, and I think it could be a very nice article with some work. My impression from the talkpage is that there's quite a bit of entrenchment from editors. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Right now, no. 5 weeks from now, maybe. I am currently in Oxford and tutorials are a fair bit of work, and I have a hard time getting myself to take care of maintenance things for novels on top of the WP:Ambassadors stuff I am doing, as well as a long promise to myself to write an article a month on Template:JFCooper. That being said, I am in Oxford, and I should read Alice and Wonderland so that I can see all these things that are surrounding me that influenced him, so... I will read the book on my spare time, and take a crack at the scholarship in a monthish (I have an amazing set of libraries here, so I should be able to find a fair amount of stuff!), Sadads (talk) 01:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I've visited Daresbury where he lived as a child - but, yeah, you really need to walk along the Thames and imagine him punting down the river with the children and telling the story to them. I think he was at Christ-church, but that's off the top of my head. Since you're so busy, don't worry about reading the book at the moment - but if you do have time to dig in the libary, see if you can find some of the information about the mathematics and logic in the book. I suspect that much of what's in the article is probably correct, but unfortunately unsourced. Timewise, sounds as though we're on the same track as I can't get to it now either. Enjoy your time there - Wikipedia will still be here when you get back. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I was hoping the tag would incite someone who isn't too deep into the community to step in and clean up the article a bit, but we will see what happens. I will take a look around though, and I do have a month that is currently only partially booked at the end of term, so we will see what I can dig up! Sadads (talk) 02:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the tag will do much good. I've been picking at the article a bit in the last week b/c I have some sources at hand right now, but basically was warned off on the talkpage in this section. That tells me it needs a big push at some point. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I warned them, it's coming at some point. But for now it can sit, and we can quietly go about our usual gnomish activities :) BTW, if you want something to help write on, I am working on Cooper's Red Rover right now at User:Sadads/Red_Rover, I will always welcome help, and their is certainly a good DYK about Burlesque in there, Sadads (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Btw - I'd never attempt a bio of Lewis Carroll - he's a little creepy despite the brilliance of Alice, but you might find some good biographical info on him while in Oxford. I'm impressed you're working on Cooper - haven't read him in years. Unfortunately I'm very backed up - but I'll watch it and pitch in to help if necessary. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope that wasn't too pointed, Sadads (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Too late now ... seriously though, it had to be done and we each came at if separately and reacted in the same manner. When I run into articles like this, I rebuilt with sourced material, and then take out all the trivia in one fell swoop. So, if they want to find sources, good. If they want to move the trivia to a subpage, good. Sooner rather than later, good material will be added. This is a core content article and a disgrace. So it has to be done. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

It's kindof funny that we both found it on different routes. Oh well, I hope he takes up my offer for advice and reads WP:V, it's importance to literature and popular culture really needs to be covered fairly and with good sources. Happy editing! Sadads (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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My mail

Sadads, have you received my mail? I was wondering why you haven't replied. It was sent on 23rd Jan. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Online ambassador

Hi, Sadads. Thank you for the invitation, but I have to decline; I am afraid I would not have time for this endeavor. Jappalang (talk) 03:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Online ambassadors

Hi Sadads, Thanks for your note. Although I have been looking into ways to get more involved in wikipedia (and actually already looked over the ambassador program), I think it is better if I decline your invitation for the moment. Currently, my real life is very busy and I sometimes already spend more time on WP than I should. However, I will keep this in mind and might decide to get into it in a year or so. Cheers! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 04:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

RE:Online Ambassadors

Would have loved to, however Im done with Uni in UK and back home in India with much less time on my hands nowadays (than what I had during Uni!). I brought up this issue with Barry Newstead (Global Development Officer for Wikimedia) a couple of weeks ago at the Wikipedia X celebrations. My idea was to promote this within Wikimedia India (during the Mumbai Wikimeets) - however he mentioned Online Ambassador Program is only for the US as of now, India will follow in a few months. Cheers, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 06:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

I saw your recent contributions at DYK and I clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words and the invite. I would have loved to do this. However I have osteoporosis which means that on average every year I break a bone or two, and that means I can't make commitments where I could potentially let people down by a sudden absence. I guess I can still help people as far as I am able, on an ad hoc basis. Good luck with your recruiting.--Storye book (talk) 12:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

If you would like, we have an IRC channel that regularly needs to be manned, several places where we need help responding to queries from students and an e-mail list that you can join. If you send an e-mail to the e-mail for applications telling us that you would like to help in that way, we would greatly appreciate the manpower, Sadads (talk) 13:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest. I shall certainly consider doing that later. However I am only versed in the UK education system, so would not be able to assist with educational matters which relate specifically to U.S. students.--Storye book (talk) 13:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

We are actually more interest in people who are more interested in helping people with Wikipedia related issues, and as a matter of fact, we are looking at test piloting a WP:Campus Ambassadors program like this in the UK in the next several months with the support of the Wikimedia UK board, so we will need people to advise British students as well, Sadads (talk) 13:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll wait for that to happen, then. Thanks for the information.--Storye book (talk) 13:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Crossroads Mall (Florida)

Added more sources. There are tons of hits on Google News for the mall. Just wondering if you did a check first. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I did but I must have not looked at news, I think I am weighing more the self inflicting evidence in the content itself. It basically says that it is a failure, and never impacted the economy of the community; is a generally unimportant mall meet notability? Certainly we can Verify information about it, but is it Notable? Sadads (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I would think the bit about the mall being hit up for traffic improvements is "impact[ing] the economy", ditto its 1997 foreclosure and the failed attempt by Wal-Mart to buy the property. Either way, it plainly meets the "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" criterion, so how long it was in business is immaterial. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 20:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi

It is me DarkJak495 from the Ruins of Gorlan discussion page. I was wondering if you would like to help me in expanding the article. We could be partners in it. The only idea I can think of for expanding it is writing about the characters. What do you think? Please respond on the discussion page for Ruins of Gorlan, or my own talkpage. Cheers!DarkJak495 (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I responded, I am watching the page, so no need to comment here for future questions, Sadads (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador

Thank you so much for considering me. I'm very flattered. I don't think that I'll have time to participate, though, and my internet access is limited at times. Thanks again! --Polylerus (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments about my work at - The Best American Magazine Writing 2007

Thank you, very much, Sadads, for your kind words about my work on the article The Best American Magazine Writing 2007. Especially so that someone of your experience level both as a Wikipedia editor and as a writer considers the article to be ready for GA consideration. It is most appreciated. Thanks again, -- Cirt (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I actually feel sort of humbled in your presence on Wikipedia, really I do not have quite the patience or research skills to regularly turn out articles that could easily find their way to GA and FA review. If you look at our contribution histories, I think you will find that we have both been around about the same amount of time and if anything you have outpaced me in quality and breadth of content, while my contributions have been far more gnomish and organizational and recently related to outreach. Keep it up, and have you considered the WP:Online Ambassadors? You really are an ideal candidate, and it's an awesome way to share your experience and interest in improving Wikipedia with academically minded students. Thanks again for the complement, Sadads (talk) 19:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Sadads, I notified the WikiProject talk page where you saw my post, about the new article I had created, because I wanted to give others a chance from relevant WikiProjects to take notice of new articles I have created within that topic area. You came over from that WikiProject, and commented at the article's talk page, about your opinion of the quality of my work on that new article, and I appreciate that, very much. Unfortunately, a participant of the website "Wikipedia Review", apparently has concerns about the quality of my contributions. Especially with regards to attacks and negative focus on my contributions fomented by some individuals offsite - it is certainly appreciated to get feedback from an experienced and involved Wikipedian and a writer committed to pursuing an education in History and English - such as yourself. It is feedback such as yours that helps to keep me going. So thank you for that. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I read the thread, and unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about the discussions of Scientology if they are not directly mentioned in the relevant reviews/coverage unless their is some reliable sources which makes connections between the said author and Scientology and isn't tangential. I responded to the other comment, btw, Sadads (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Sadads, I hope you do not mind if I cited your comments, here, at: User_talk:Cirt#Stepping_away_from_Scientology_articles. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have any thoughts or comments on that? -- Cirt (talk) 21:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Could you respond to the chat invite, I would like to ask you a few questions, Sadads (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador

Thanks for inviting me to participate in the program. It looks interesting and rewarding, unfortunately I am not available on a predictable regular basis. Ekem (talk) 20:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Mentor Request

Hi Alex, I am a junior at James Madison Uniersity. I am majoring in Media Arts and Design and Writing, Rhetoric and Technical Communications. This semester, I am in the Professional and Technical Editing class that is working on the U.S. Public Policy Project. I was wondering if you would be willing to be my mentor. I noticed that you are studying abroad in the U.k. I actually returned from studying aboard in London last semester through the JMU program as well.

Thanks, Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by DsgnWrte (talk • contribs) 21:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I am very excited you are participating, but I don't want to take on too many Mentees this semester, I am trying to focus on other Wikipedia Ambassador stuff here in the UK. I would suggest that you ask User:The Utahraptor , who doesn't have anyone he is working with yet, that way we can spread out who is working with whom. Also, if you are in class right now , I am available on irc at the classroom channel if anyone needs help or feedback on what you guys are working on, Sadads (talk) 21:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

New article: The Mystery of a Hansom Cab

New article, created, at The Mystery of a Hansom Cab. Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 13:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the category fixes. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 16:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Found a couple more sources too, will add them later after a nap, Sadads (talk) 16:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I will probably be creating some more new articles on the same subject of mystery fiction in the near future. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Goody! Sadads (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed... ;) -- Cirt (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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I was wondering if you could go to the novels assesment site, I got something for you to rate. Thanks!UserDarkJak495 talk orange 00:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, can you give the Ruins of Gorlan a copyedit, and a read over. Anything that seems wrong, would you please either mention it, or fix it yourself. I would gratefully appreciate it. Thanks!UserDarkJak495 talk orange 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

I am sending right now my application to become a Wikipedia ambassador. Thanks for the invitacion. Regards. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Improvement Drive

I initiated a new improvement drive at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Collaboration. Would you mind sending out notifications to WikiProject members? I will personally invite those who participated in the January 2011 drive. --maclean (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Writing the message now, Sadads (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to Online Ambassadors

Hi, thanks for the invitation, but I don't really have the time to help. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors History2007

Hey, I saw your edits at DYK and clicked over to your user page and was impressed. Have you considering applying to become a Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors? It is a great way to help college students become more familiar with Wikipedia, and make them good long term contributors! Sadads (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I would actually like to do the reverse: get the professors to be contributors. I think there is a shortage of top level experts with PhDs in the field and I think it would be good to get 5-10 professors in each field, e.g. mathematics, biology, physics, computing, etc. I generally contribute content, and anytime spent on other items would be time taken away from content. Sometimes I think I need an ambassador to keep me a contributor!

But I am really serious on this. Wikipedia is losing top level talent. An example was User:Radagast3. He was an expert in mathematics and had good contributions to Christian articles too. Because he was not looked after, and received a one month unfair block that was overturned too late, he quit. And not only did he quit, he was so angry that had his user name etc. deleted. That type of thing must stop. And good contributors and experts like Radagast3 should have ambassadors of some type who look after them and not just let them walk away in anger.

Could you please suggest this as a policy somewhere? A policy to send out ambassadors to attract professors, and to keep them, so they do not walk away in anger. Maybe you should just post on the village pump policy suggestions anyway. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Many of our WP:Campus Ambassadors are doing outreach on Campus and doing editing workshops which include faculty, and almost all of the professors we have worked with so far have converted to full Wikimedians talking for and about developing Wikipedia and using it as a teaching tool. As an Online Ambassador you would have the opportunity to not only support the students who come on in their classes, but also the professors as they navigate through the community. The program is rapidly becoming an all encompassing outreach program at universities, if you feel passionate about it, we would love for you to join us as and Online Ambassador and perhaps get trained as a Campus Ambassador for next term! I too feel we need to make it as easy as possible for high level academics to contribute, and I think the program is well on the way to being the program to facilitate that. I hope you apply, Sadads (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I am too busy to do that. I do content. I did not want the professors to use Wikipedia, I wanted them to edit it. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

On citing page numbers

Re: [4]. Two suggestions: add page (so, page 64, not just 64) and add direct Google Book page link (if possible). Thanks! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Invitation

Thank you for inviting me to apply as an online ambassador. Best I pass at this time. I agree with the point made by one of your colleagues that online ambassadors should be able to advise students on how to write the highest quality articles. I have not been through the FAC process and consequently, would not have experience necessary to do that. Thanks for asking though. Daicaregos (talk) 09:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Red Rover

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Misapplied links

I have reverted the links you applied for Barnaderg in List of townlands of County Mayo and List of townlands of County Sligo because the article Barnaderg is about the place in County Galway. Instead, I added {{County Galway}} to the Barnaderg article. — O'Dea 00:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Hi there. Thank you for the kind words. I have applied for consideration to become an ambassador by e-mailing the questionnaire to online-ambassadors-en@lists.wikimedia.org. Thanks very much for your time and it is always worthwhile to connect with other wikipedians. Maple Leaf (talk) 18:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

New article: T. Arthur Cottam

New article, created, at T. Arthur Cottam. Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 11 February 2011

--Guerillero | My Talk 01:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I just sent an e-mail, you should respond, Sadads (talk) 01:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I knew I was missing something... It isn't in my inbox yet I will reply as soon as I see it cheers --Guerillero | My Talk 02:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Replied --Guerillero | My Talk 02:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

New article = Richard Smith (Silent film director)

New article, created, at Richard Smith (Silent film director). Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 13 February 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 1, 28 January 2011 This is the second issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed. Userboxes and profiles - Add an ambassador userbox to your page, and make sure you've added your mentor profile! Be a coordinating ambassador - Pick and class and make sure no students fall through the cracks. New screencasts - Short videos on watchlists and a number of other topics may be useful to students. Updates from Campus Ambassadors - Ambassadors are starting to report on classroom experiences, both on-wiki and on the Google Group. Other news - There's a new on-wiki application for being an Online Ambassador, and Editing Friday #2 is today! Things you can do - This is just a sample; if you're eager for something to do, there's plenty more.

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2010 Detroit Tigers season/Shawn Windsor

The Shawn Windsor listed in a source at 2010 Detroit Tigers season is the sportswriter, not the convicted killer of the same name. I reverted it before but your bot made the same mistake again. TomCat4680 (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it wasn't a bot. I am trying to deorphan that article, and I must have not been paying attention. Thanks, Sadads (talk) 21:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxons

Thank you for helping to fix the template, I was in a real fix trying to sort it out. :-) --Wipsenade (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep, no problem, try using show preview when you are editing templates, I find that that keeps me from making all kinds of extra formatting edits. Did you realize many of the links you added are redirects to cities or towns? I think that is part of the reason why we left them off in the first place, Sadads (talk) 17:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Some, but not all do and those who are, have a bit on the local Anglo-Saxons as well.Wipsenade (talk) 18:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, Sadads (talk) 18:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

AfDs of first resort?

I notice on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hotel Trianon, that you went straight to AfD for an article which could easily have been merged, redirected, or PRODded. Am I missing a reason you skipped straight to AfD, a complex process, rather than one of the lighter weight processes? Jclemens (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I was on the border on Prod or AFD, because the text justified a possible real hotel or scholarship, and I wasn't sure if the text was really worth merging into the article, I wanted more opinions, Sadads (talk) 10:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:BRD really gives you permission to take any revertable action that you think to be the right course. If someone disagrees, they revert and discussion ensues--at least in theory. Unlike AfD, which will tend to attract various inclusionist/deletionist partisans, making an article into a redirect or proposing a PROD will tend to get the attention of editors (if any) who have that page watchlisted. I'd encourage you to feel free to use PRODs or redirects (knowing merges are time-consuming to do and non-trivial to undo) in cases like this, to take some of the load off of AfD, which has seen the volume and quality of its participation dwindle as of late. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I will take that under advice. I try to comment on fictional elements and literature afds, so I am sorry to hear that participation has gone down. I mostly worked with long orphaned articles, so alot of them do get prodded, but sometimes I am not really sure what to make of an article, and this happen to be the case. Thanks! Sadads (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Arsene Lupin ratings

Hi, thank you for rating the Arsene Lupin articles for WikiProject Novels. I'm working on putting up articles of all the Lupin stories. Any tips for making the articles at least Start class, instead of Stub class? Thanks. Ex Novum (talk) 04:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

References, references, references. And real world information. The problem with the articles that you had so far, is they cover mostly plot information and the one looks at publication history, but there is no way to WP:Verify the information. On Wikipedia, the content that sticks and is really useful is that which has WP:inline citations to support it. And don't shoot for start, shoot for a C class article, anyone can write a C class. How to do it besides using references? Focus on more diverse issues outside of just plot, such as publication history, the critical reception of the book, themes mentioned by reviewers, the background of the development of the novel, etc. For more information about these sections see WP:MOS (novels). If you have more questions, feel free to ask, Sadads (talk) 11:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tradition

Thanks for brightening February on DYK Victuallers (talk) 06:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

List of lakes in Norway

Hi, I see you've occasionally added entries to List of lakes in Norway. Like me, you may have noticed that many of the individual lakes articles are marked as orphans. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be wise for there to be a "lakes in norway" footer template to be added to each of the articles. I think it would help with the orphan problem. I might start one in my userspace but, never having made a proper template before, it might take me a while. Do you have any thoughts or advice? LordVetinari (talk) 03:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to get back to you on this one. I would suggest looking at the code I have been using for the basic navboxes at Template:WargameMag and Template:Margaret Haddix. The navbox template is pretty simple, and you shouldn't have any problems. Make sure that you give it some sort of subgroups though, so that people aren't just confronted by some massive list of content, Sadads (talk) 13:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It's all good. As it happens, though, I've since made the template (based on other "Lakes of..." templates). See Template:Lakes in Norway. As you'll see, I subdivided it by county but it may still need some work (for example, Nordland appears to be flooded). I finished adding the template to each of the lakes articles about an hour ago. (Tremendous fun doing it manually).
Anyway, while we're on the topic, I'm trying to get a discussion going regarding tidying up List of lakes in Norway. Feel free to add any thoughts you might have. Thanks. LordVetinari (talk) 13:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

In the future, I have WP:AWB and regularly add navboxes to articles, so that doesn't have to be a manual process. I am more than willing to do it, and AWB isn't hard to use, you could get access for yourself. I will give my two cents at the conversation later, Sadads (talk)

"didn't have to be a manual process"???!! Aaaahhhh!!!!! LordVetinari (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, yes there are several tools that make things like that easier. It's not the solution for everything though, I have been forced to manually sort a number of categories and assessments in my time and have made the mistake of manually adding navboxes before :P I probably could have done all of those edits in less then 40 minutes, next time before you go on a large revision series, feel free to ask me if there are tools. You don't see alot of them until you have been around the block a few times,Sadads (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Reverting other people's edits with a satisfactory summary

Hello, Sadads. If you don't know already, reverting other people's edit in Wikipedia, without an explanation is misdeed, unless it is obvious vandalism.

As for my edit, WP:REDLINK and WP:NAVBOX back me up. What is your consensus for your controversial revert? Fleet Command (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

This is the second time you revert and you refuse to enter discussion. Do it for a third time and you will be violating WP:3RR. Your refusal to enter discussion is a violation of WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS. Why don't you be a civil Wikipedian and proceed with discussion instead? Fleet Command (talk)

I asked for the discussion to be moved to the talk page in the edit summaries, you continued to undo. Sadads (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

February 2011

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:Dale Brown. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Editors violating the rule will usually be blocked for 24 hours for a first incident.
3. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Fleet Command (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Please slow down, and give me time to respond and work towards consensus. Sadads (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You have time. All you have to do is not to revert. Stop reverting. That is all. See you in talk page. Fleet Command (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Silver Tower (novel)‎‎

Thanks for adding sources, but it is still not notable. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (books). I don't argue with you if you revert my edit; but then don't be surprised if someone deleted the article without warning in the future. Fleet Command (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Bristol Wiki Academy

Hi Alex and thanks for signing up. So we get the most value out of you, I've allocated you to a couple of sessions, but the agenda is still fluid and of course I welcome alternative suggestions of how we can structure the day. Looking forward to it, MartinPoulter (talk) 16:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I like those sections, and added myself to the participation assignment on the Five Pillars. Are we doing powerpoints? Is there going to be a centralized slide deck or do we each develop our sections and then submit them to one person? etc. Sadads (talk) 18:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Each speaker is invited to create separate slides; bring them on the day on USB and we'll share them afterwards. It's not mandatory: I've seen your slides from campus ambassador events and they're great, but if you want to just show some WP pages and talk about them, that's fine too. We will get a room with a networked Windows PC with Powerpoint. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

This is what happens when you edit when you first get up. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome, I was killing that maintenance category, and came across it, Sadads (talk) 02:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Happy Sadads's Day!

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, this is very pleasant and unexpected. I hope you have a great day too, Sadads (talk) 11:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

You're Welcome! :) Keep up the Great Work! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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Wildfire at Midnight

Though not very well known, it was one of the books of Stewart's I enjoyed most. I always thought it would make a good film - lots of opportunities for the heroine to wear interesting period costumes, and the dramatic Skye scenery as a backdrop. Deb (talk) 19:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them

This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.

Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it!

If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Dark Places

I've finished replying over at Talk:Dark Places (novel). Best. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 21:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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deletion proposals for Splinter Cell novels

Do you have anything more objective than "clearly notable"? Such as references that demonstrate notability? Non-notability has been suggested since May 2010, nothing has been done to support the claim for notability. The articles contain nothing but plot and characters. There is not a single WP:RS citation on any of the pages (or anywhere in those searches), and nothing has been done to change that since May 2010. None of the standards of WP:NB are fulfilled: There is no reference that allows any of the articles to be expanded beyond plot summary, they have one no literary award, they had no influence on a movie, art form or social movement, they have not been subject of instruction at any educational instituation, and it's author is not considered to be so historically significant that all his works must be considered notable. So please elaborate why you think these books are notable despite all the above. Nczempin (talk) 03:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Did you check Google news there are plenty of sources for all of them, Sadads (talk) 04:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

please name one source out of those "plenty" that fulfils the standards mentioned above. All I could find was that one hit a bestseller list, but that is apparently not sufficient (or even necessary). Maybe you can do better than me. Nczempin (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, it's fine that you deleted my proposal; I think that's the way the process works. But you also deleted the template that said that "Notability _may_ not be given" (since May 2010), and instead of deleting that, IMHO you should provide the references that establish notability or leave the notice up. Nczempin (talk) 04:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. The series is notable, and many of the books were best sellers, that should have been uncontested. A quick Google news search proved that, and the relationship to Tom Clancy and the video game suggest almost immediately, at least the series, and if not the various books were notable. Prod was not at all appropriate, rather a notability tag or unreferenced tag would be correct, or a suggestion to merge, Sadads (talk) 04:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

First, the references you give: 1) and 2) don't mention Splinter Cell, perhaps I missed it and you can point it out. 4), 5) and 6) are just listings of bestsellers. As I mentioned, this does not seem to be a factor in the question of whether a book is notable (please point me to the guideline that suggests otherwise). That leaves 3): It is at least a review. I have no idea if the source is reliable, but let's for the moment assume that it is. Unfortunately the review is for a book that is not amongst the pages I proposed for deletion. Instead, its page doesn't even exist (feel free to create it). Your next argument is "The series is notable". I'm not sure what you mean by "the series"; the series of books or the series of Splinter Cell video games? Assuming the latter, I agree that the article is notable, but how does that make the books notable? The relationship to Clancy also doesn't make it immediately notable, if there were a Tom Clancy action figure, would you consider it notable? If he were the author, it could be different, but he is not. Notability tags were indeed appropriate, and have been there since May 2010, with no reaction. Some of them you removed. Citation tags were also there since at least May 2010, in some cases since 2008. Again, with no reaction (no-one _ever_ came up with a single reference). I did consider merging with the series article, but since the content of the pages is just plot, basically nothing would be left except their ISBN numbers and a note about which ones hit which place on which bestseller lists. The novels are indeed mentioned on the series page, and the sections need to be expanded slightly (so it's not like the novels would disappear from WP). But they don't deserve their own articles by any Wikipedia standards I am aware of. Nczempin (talk) 04:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If you feel that is the case, then bold redirecting while expanding plots in the series page is appropriate, not purging the history of contributions to those articles through deletion, that way people can recover the text if they feel it is worthwhile, Sadads (talk) 04:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To clarify: acknowledging the novels in the series page, including a brief plot overview (and the infoboxes), is acceptable, but pages of in-universe plot is not. I am not familiar with the concept of "bold redirecting" (although I know what redirecting is). Do you mean we change the articles to redirects to the series (is that possible?), and the history stays intact? Incidentally, the history doesn't get purged: WP:Viewing and restoring deleted pages. But this "just changing the article to a redirect" is no different to what I had planned anyway: Delete the pages, and add redirects to the series. The two differences being 1) the history and 2) first deleting and then redirecting actually has a more formal approach to it, and dissent (especially by those who actually worked on the article). Plus, what keeps anyone from just reverting the change-to-redirect? Nczempin (talk) 05:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Syren Sexton

Blatant IDON'TLIKEIT prod at Syren Sexton. Your input might be required, one way or the other. --82.41.20.82 (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Now AfD'd as PROD nominator's teddy comes hurtling out of the pram. Your input may be required one way or the other. --82.41.20.82 (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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Drop from B to C on Chrysalids article?

Greetings Sadad, Just wanted to understand your reasoning for the grade drop. I was heavily involved with editing the article up until about six months ago. What do you feel it needs to improve it? -- Rydra Wong (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Mostly, its because the article isn't very broad in covering the real world information which is important per WP:MOS (novels). Also, the sections which do cover real world topcs such as the section on "Allusions to actual geography", appear to have a fair amount of WP:OR and aren't WP:Verifiable. The article needs to be more focused on what has been discussed in critical commentary and less on the plot (which is of fine length, but the other sections need to be expanded to compare to it). Good B-class articles which provide good models for what I am looking for include Our Mutual Friend, Eclipse (novel) and Glamorama. Also, you may want to look at some of the more recent GAs like The Lightning Thief and Imperial Bedrooms for models on what the end goal should be for most B class articles. Hope that helps, and if you ever want feedback, I am always available, Sadads (talk) 01:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon Charters

I have added some more in-line citations to the Anglo-Saxon Charters article and removed the request for more refs. Let me know if there are still statements that need support. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I would look at the books in the further reading section and read them and see where they could be used as additional references, with so much scholarship, I am sure there is plenty of room for clean up and expansion. Also make sure that you include page numbers in the references, that way people can find the information you site very accurately, even if it is only the page numbers for a chapter, any narrowing keeps people from having to read the whole book. The "Significance" section also is very poorly sourced,Sadads (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!

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DYK for A Darker Domain

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate the assessments for Kelly Gay and Charlie Madigan series. -- James26 (talk) 02:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I was in such a rush that I didn't notice your comments. :) Left some of my own. The blogs are largely interviews, mainly used to cite info directly stated by the author (Kelly Gay). The last blog is actually owned by the Australian Romance Readers Awards. Thanks again. -- James26 (talk) 02:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for that. Absolutely brilliant. Corneredmouse (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan Bertman

Hi Sadads. This article only really has two inbound links from other articles. The rest are redirects or links from WP discussion pages. Do you think that two inbound links makes something a non-orphan? The two inbound links are okay but I would say that neither is high-quality--one is in a list of links from his high school, and the other is from his sister's article. Please respond here. Logical Cowboy (talk) 02:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

It has three from other articles, you have to include Bateman, which, thought a list, still is enough to count as a third link. This is sufficient, especially when we have a nearly 180,000 article backlog, I would say its more important that the articles to qualify as deorphaned, that way peoeple can focus on articles that haven't deorphaned on their own, Sadads (talk) 02:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for your response, and thanks for your work on the backlog. I had thought of the Bertman article more of as a dab page. Anyway, I'll let you get back to your work! Logical Cowboy (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Bonjour from fr.Wikipédia.

Hello!

I'm Morphypnos, a french user!

You are an administor who can help me. In fr.Wikipédia , we need some sketches to complete our collection of articles. Have you that?

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YA Novels Project

Thanks for your help! I have made use of many of these resources already, thankfully. I will definitely make sure they use the discussion/question forum you mentioned. Best, Roseclearfield (talk) 21:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

We're moving on to the secondary source research next week, so by March 11 there should be legitimate references. Right now the references are a bit pitiful aside from page refs, which still aren't formatted correctly. But don't give up on us! Sources are coming! Roseclearfield (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Just letting you know, those are my students you're welcoming! Thanks! They told me you wanted to contact me, but I feel like we've already been in contact. I would love to get more help making next year's version of this project even more "official." Let me know what I can do this year. Otherwise, can we be in touch for next spring. FYI: You can find most of the pages they're working on here. Roseclearfield (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

PRODs of fictional elements

I've just removed a bunch of your PRODs from fictional elements lists. Please note that per WP:PROD, it is limited to articles which are "uncontroversially a deletion candidate". Note further per WP:ATD, that a merge is preferred to a deletion. I've removed those PRODs because merger or redirection wasn't even considered. Thus, I am notifying you that I preemptively object to any future PROD of any fictional element you might be inclined to place. While I might prefer that you actually worked to salvage the admittedly inferior content by doing the mergers yourself, I recognize that this is a volunteer project and no one is compelled to do anything they don't want to. Thus, AfD remains an outlet for you to nominate such articles for deletion, but since you have actual notice that I object to any future PRODs of fictional elements, PROD is not. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 05:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

1. Many, if not all, of the fictional elements which I prod, are uncontroversal deletes, and I do improve some articles on fictional elements. However, the Ultra Monsters lists are clearly just lists of fictional elements which will have no signficant secondary coverage per WP:Notability (fiction) and the afd of the first list, suggests that all of the others are also deletion worthy, I do not see how that should change from series to series. I rarely, if ever, put up well traveled, major fictional elements, esp. main characters of series or other works.
2. I have been previously asked to stop Afding fictional elements because too many of them are snowball deletes, and not enough people actually discuss the fictional elements thread. (see comments above titled "AfDs of first resort?" which you started)
3. Simply preemptively removing Prod's is unproductive and if you feel that an article is better suited for merge or redirect, then boldly do so following the prod. I do not believe I have displayed bad judgement in my use of prods, at least two thirds (if not more) of the articles I prod are deleted, and many of the ones that get refused, I have renominated for afd and gotten deleted.

Happy editing, but I would think preemptively removing prods which I add would be WP:Disruptive, my impressions of previous encounters with you suggest that you are anything but that kind of editor, Sadads (talk) 10:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

1: Is not true. If it wasn't clear before, I am telling you now: I object to any future fictional element prod you may make. You have a demonstrated history of failing to consider WP:PRESERVE or WP:ATD. Thus, any such prod is not legitimate and will be removed or reversed. It would be disruptive of you to continue. Remember, every "successful" PROD is simply a mouse click or two away from restoration: if anyone asks for it, it comes back.

2: Is not an insurmountable problem, given PRESERVE, ATD, and the possibilities of merging or redirecting content.

3: Keeping mediocre but potentially useful content around is not a problem. Did anyone ever actually use your Eagle Project? I certainly hope so. How would you feel if someone else came along, looked at your work, and said, "bulldoze it!" without asking you or considering your efforts? The fact that you do this on an ongoing basis exhibits that sort of disrespect to the contributors who invested this content into Wikipedia. Even if none of the content is up to Wikipedia's inclusion standards, the vast majority of it can be improved, Transwiki'ed to a more specific wiki, merged, redirected, or otherwise kept in some way, shape, or form. Deleting sub-par fictional content which is not actively harmful is not an appropriate way to attempt to improve the encyclopedia: it's a means of driving off editors and readers.

What I would really like you to do is take PRESERVE and ATD to heart: Clean up the fictional content at the speed at which you can assure that the appropriate parts are being kept somewhere. Do the work yourself: Source what's sourceable--primary sources meet V; merge stuff that's not--NNC indicates than NN list entries are fine. Try doing that for a week, and if you really don't want to do it, ask yourself why you're willing to mark stuff as trash, but unwilling to go through what you've marked looking for and saving the parts that can be reused. Jclemens (talk) 15:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Jane Eyre Plot Summary Tag

Could you check the Jane Eyre plot summary to see if it's still overly long? I had a student shorten it to around 1,000 words and I removed the pictures that made it look even longer than it was. Are we ready to remove the plot tag? Thanks. Roseclearfield (talk) 14:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

It looks good, and I think it summarizes the book well. I am not sure how useful the characters section is though, and, of course, the themes sections need to be verifiable. But it is a good start on the article, Sadads (talk) 09:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that there the themes section is woefully unsourced. Maybe this summer... Thanks again. Roseclearfield (talk) 20:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Good first run of your project by the way, it looks like your students did some good work! If you want to run it again, feel free to contact me and I can help you with setting up some Wikipedians to support! Sadads (talk) 21:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! We'll definitely do it again next year, late winter, early spring. I'll be in touch. Thanks again for your help. Roseclearfield (talk) 01:51, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

1. Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
2. If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
3. Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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Editing Fridays article for 25 March

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Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 3, 21 March 2011 This is the third issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed. Where the courses are - A brief summary of how each of the 31 Public Policy Initiative courses are faring so far in the Spring 2011 term, as of 9-11 March. Feel free to add more detail. Tracking students' articles - Make sure students' articles are tagged with {{WAP assignment}} on the talk pages, and have the newly improved Article Feedback Tool active. Education portal in progress - Wikimedia staff have started work on an outreach portal for information about teaching with and about Wikipedia. Please help develop it! Online Ambassadors logistics - If you don't have a Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt, now's your chance to get one! (Also, some other more mundane, but important, details.) Steering committee preparing proposals - Look for discussions about two major proposals about the future ambassador program soon: the "Regional Ambassador" role, and elections for a new committee. Editing Friday returns - This Friday, join fellow ambassadors and others real-time collaboration on Wainwright Building.

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Childhood Obesity Task Force

I just wanted to let you know that in class today we had Caley move her article into the main namespace. It's not perfect yet, but she has a good amount of material and some references, so it should have DYK potential. As her mentor, can you shepherd her through that process, getting it up to standard and helping her nominate it (keeping in mind that the 5-day clock has started)? Thanks! :-) Dominic·t 19:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing. I left some comments on her user talk page the other day that need to be fixed, but I will nominate it in several days either way, and will add a couple sources with brief info at the same time if she doesn't add more :P Did you point out that she needs to use more secondary sources? Sadads (talk) 22:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

USPP course

Hi.

I only just joined up as an Ambassador, so I'd like to settle in before accepting more - to find my feet with the way the programme works. I've taken a note though, and I'll check back - or, if I don't, feel free to poke me again in a few weeks time. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Hello,

I've noticed some important and reliable changes someone made on Ben Heine's page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Ben_Heine following the suggestions that were in the "Talk page" I think everything is ok now for the English page. Would it be possible to remove the section at the top:

"This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this article if you can. The talk page may contain suggestions"

An admin placed it after I requested it a few weeks ago...

But the Polish version needs improvements too, so may be we could place thecleanup section there?

Thanks again for your kind help

Caring-writer (talk) 06:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Can I have some more help?

Hello again,

"Fram" (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Fram) and a few other admins keep reposting the old version of Heine's biography (from 2006!) and keep deleting the new text without paying attention to the artist's evolution. Several persons have been working on the new version with more accurate information and several notable references. It has been submitted in the TalkPage but Qwyrxian (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Qwyrxian) deleted the section.

Please, can you have a look to the new version and tell me what's wrong?: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Cute-snoopy#Suggestion_of_an_updated_article_about_Ben_Heine someone reposted the old version of Heine's page and deleted the new version.

No important, true or accurate elements in the old version have been deleted. Only THE STRUCTURE has changed! IT'S NOT FORBIDDEN by Wikipedia's policy to change the structure of an article and it is highly recommended to add notable references and information corresponding to an artist's evolution, which is the case here.

Caring-writer (talk) 09:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

List of important errors in the old article about Ben Heine:

1) Ben isn't a political artist anymore, it's true he used to make political art accusing Israel of "crimes against humanity", but he stopped making such illustrations in 2009 and wrote an "open letter to the Jewish Community" in December 2010 apologizing about his past behavior (saying it was the influences of his studies in Journalism. Parts of his final assignment talked about the "limits of freedom of expression in cartoons"). In this letter, he also firmly condemned the infamous Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest and said he was feeling deeply guilty about it. Here is the letter translated in English (Google translator). Ben doesn't deny the Holocaust, he visited Auschwitz Birkenau and feels sincerely sorry about the past suffering of the Jewish community.

2) Ben doesn't contribute to these websites anymore: DonQuichotte, MWC News, Rebelion, Tlaxcala, Irancartoon, Syriacartoon, Arabcartoon, Persiancartoon, Karikaturevi, Azercartoon, Dessin d'humour, National Caricaturist Network (Ben has explicitly asked these sites to remove all his illustrations from their platforms)

3) Ben doesn't collaborate with "La Libre Belgique" Anymore. Only 4 or 5 of his old cartoons have been published in this newspaper (in 2006 and 2007).

4) Pencil Vs Camera is not just a "little detail" in his biography, it is a creative and original series that has generated some huge reactions on the web and in the written press (see a non exhaustive list below). It is such an innovation that several TV channels around the world have also talked about it: Globo - Brazil, TV Brussel - Belgium, and many others). Same for "Digital Circlism"...

5) "Pere Ubu" (one of the main newspapers that clearly accused Heine in Belgium has removed the accusation from their site

6) Most of the links in the "notes" section (expecially the url's linking to images on Ben's blog) do not work...

7) Ben removed from his sites (blog, flickr, Deviantart and official site) all his cartoons accusing Israel or any Israeli person (Avigdor Lieberman...).

8) He didn't participate "recently" to the Kruger Workshop. This event happened in 2006!

Help with Tables

Wondering if you are good a manipulating tables. If not, any reference to an editor who is would be very appreciated. I think my tables in Arkansas Militia in the Civil War need a little help with column with and formatting. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Task Force on Childhood Obesity

Hello! Your submission of Task Force on Childhood Obesity at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dravecky (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Technical editing mentee

Hello. You have a new message at GorillaWarfare's talk page.

Re: Health in Ghana

Thanks for the note, I responded [5].--NortyNort (Holla) 02:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I responded to your responses! EJT 11:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Task Force on Childhood Obesity

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Dacian Draco

Hey there! Long time, no talk. How are things? Not sure if you noticed, but we got a WP:DYK for Dacian Draco on April 7, 2011. It would be great to continue the trend and get it to WP:GOOD now! ;-) If you have time and willing, it would be great to get a neutral review on it. A great start would be checking it against the criteria for B-Class status and update the findings in the WP Dacia tag on Dacian Draco's talk page (b1 through b5 items). Alternatively, there are a few other articles under WP Dacia tasks for which we also need a review. Thanks a lot and best regards! --Codrin.B (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Urban fantasy discussion

Hi. Since you rated the Urban fantasy article a little over a year ago, I was wondering if you could offer a quick opinion on a current issue which has arisen. The matter is mentioned briefly on the Talk Page. Thanks for your time either way. -- James26 (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful comments. Replied. -- James26 (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

United States policy on conflict mitigation and reconciliation in Sudan

Error edit? [6] :) Bejinhan talks 09:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Very much so, I believe my touchpad was a little too sensitive or something, because I don't remember seeing the post revert page or I immediately would have undone it, Sadads (talk) 09:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Neddyseagoon

Hi. I have assigned autopatrolled right for this user, but under the condition that they clean up all the articles on their talk page that are listed for deletion, and that if there are new ones, the right will be removed again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:28, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Sadads (talk) 08:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Greg Jessop

Hi there, saw you [7] removed the db-10 template from the article. I'm sure your right, but can I may I ask why it couldn't be deleted under A10? Jenks24 (talk) 14:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose you were right, I was thinking that was not a repetition of the same information and should have been prodded. Sorry about that, Sadads (talk) 15:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for clarifying. Jenks24 (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: The new article

Hello Sadads. I am just letting you know that I deleted The new article, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I am just starting to do New Page patrol trying to help keep the backlog down :), Sadads (talk) 11:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, first of all, thanks! We need new page patrollers! In this case, I believe the article could be deleted per A7 and not A1 because it said John Doe is a real person (or something like that), thus allowing the reader to understand the article was about a person named John Doe; however, it did not explain why he was significant and, so, it was the quintessential A7 candidate (although, perhaps, to use G2 would also have been acceptable).

If it can help, from my experience, A1 and G1 are extremely rare to come across... That said, please keep up the good work! Cheers. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:26, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Higby

Has been asessed as having high importance, which doesn't seem right; can you double check ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 13:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Zamorin - Palakkad War (1756-1757)

Wotcher,

Thanks for your advise, I'll try my best.

(Rameez pp (talk) 06:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC))

Interested in another peer review?

Hello there, Sadads! I notice you've listed yourself as a possible peer-reviewer for articles related to literature. I've been working on the article for Eveline Hańska, wife of the French novelist Honoré de Balzac, and I'd like to nominate it soon for FA status. Do you have time for a peer review? Thanks in advance! Scartol • Tok 14:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 4, 22 April 2011 This is the fourth issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed. Voting begins for steering committee - The voting phase for the Wikipedia Ambassador Steering Committee election started this week, and will continue through 27 April. Seeking more Regional Ambassadors in the US - We are still looking for Regional Ambassadors for the United States! The deadline has been extended to Friday, April 29th. India pilot being organized now - Plans are currently underway for a pilot expansion of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – in India! Hisham Mundol and other Wikimedia staff have begun recruiting Campus Ambassador candidates for Pune. Document DYK, peer review and other milestone at the trophy case - If students you are working with (or any others you notice) are doing work that makes to DYK, is nominated for Good Article status, or is just solid content worth marking, then please help us document the students' success at the trophy case. Ambassador program at Wikimania - We're planning a set of Wikipedia Ambassador Program presentations for Wikimania 2011, in Haifa this August. Changes to mailing list - A new low-volume mailing list, [Ambassador-announce-l], is being created. It will be reserved for key announcements and news, which we'd like all ambassadors to be subscribed to.

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Gilbert Poor

I appreciate your militancy (I hit "Save" instead of "Preview"); but state legislators are always notable, so the notability tag was inappropriate. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was thinking administrator + poor looking stub = he needs to know he made a mistake, tagging it is the most non-hostile way to do it, Sadads (talk) 17:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

The "unreferenced" tag was the clearly appropriate one, since in fact it was just that, and you were quite correct on that; but "notability" was not. "Orphan" is always a bit iffy on a new article; as it turns out, Poor was already mentioned in an article or two, but without a redlink. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I only did the unreferenced and notability, because I wasn't unsure what claim you were making of him as a politician, and without explaining it, it wasn't mildly useless to the reader, Sadads (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm over half-way through my project of creating an article on every Socialist Wisconsin state legislator. I'm impressed with the number of working-class reps there were in that era: not just among the Socialists, either: Republican machinist, Democratic editor/housewife, Socialist farmer, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Health in Ghana

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library

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This is the first official meeting of our proposed Wikimedia DC chapter, with discussion of bylaws and next steps. Other agenda items include, update everyone on our successful Wikimania bid and next steps in the planning process, discuss upcoming activities that we want to do over the summer and fall, and more.

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