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Your submission at Articles for creation: Power-to-X (May 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Music1201 was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Power-to-X (May 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 333-blue was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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333 -blue 07:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A page you started (Energy modeling) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Energy modeling, RobbieIanMorrison!

Wikipedia editor Kieranian2001 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Reviewed as part of Page Curation. It seems like good work. Perhaps an image or diagram would help develop the article.Kieranian2001 (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Carl-A. Fechner

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Wikipedia and copyright

Hello RobbieIanMorrison, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Efficient energy use has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

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AfC notification: Draft:Power-to-X has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Power-to-X. Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 02:57, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Integrated model (June 15)

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Also, much isn't referenced. Every fact must be referenced.

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LaMona (talk) 19:51, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Paul Stevenson

Just a brief note of thanks for your edits to the article on Stevenson. Good to have skilled edits! Thanks again. Jamessmithpage (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hartmut Bossel has been accepted

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LaMona (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Open-source energy system models (July 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Tseung Kwan O was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Energy system modeling. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

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Tseung Kwan O (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: work in progress 3 (July 20)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

This appears to be a duplicate of another submission, Open-source energy system models, which is also waiting to be reviewed. To save time we will consider the other submission and not this one.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Can you and we please establish one name for this proposed article, work only on this one article, and delete all other versions of this draft? This is getting confusing. What name do you plan to have given to this draft when it is accepted? If this is, as its name says, a work in progress, please do not submit it for AFC review. AFC review is for drafts that are ready for review to be moved into article spce.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 14:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Energy transition in Germany

I agree with you that this title is a poor choice, and would be in favour of changing the article's name to "Energiewende in Germany". --Rhombus (talk) 09:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Open energy system models (July 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

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Daniel kenneth (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel kenneth: Hello. According to the EMMA project website, that documentation was supposed to have been released under a CC BY-SA 3.0 license. I have just emailed the project leader and asked them to add the necessary license notice to the PDF that I copied from. After that is complete, I will reinstate the offending material, together with a suitable in-line attribution. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Open energy system models (July 31)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Climate-Alliance Germany (September 10)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Open energy system models (November 4)

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I don't mean to discourage you from editing and article creation in the future, rather, I'm hoping this helps clear out some of the issues with this article and why it hasn't (and may not ever) pass. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a scientific journal - the content below appears large and unwieldy given the overall topic, and while heavily referenced not all of them appear to be directly correlated to Open Energy System Models. I would consider merging the relevant info into Energy modeling, as suggested below, as I just simply (no offense intended) don't see this passing without serious work being done - and even then it's not a given.

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Garchy (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

well-designed climate tax

Hi, thanks for your interest in the mitigation argicle. Friendly questions.... what is a "well-designed" climate tax? Some would say a well-designed price on carbon is an oxymoron but I'm not one of them, personally. This isn't a climate denial challenge but a real question to avoid tags like "clarification needed" or charges of WP:PUFFERY, which I'm sure you didn't intend. So please don't misundestand.... I'm just sayin' the addition you made needs to be clarified or else "well designed" should be deleted. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello NewsAndEventsGuy. You make a good point. First up, only The Guardian report and the abstract for the Nature Climate Change article are available free of charge. So I was not able to read the entire paper. But from the information available, the authors of the paper investigated a number of tax rates for different classes of food and a number of options to deal with the social equity issues that would arise from hiking the price of basic foodstuffs. Note that the tax is on food and not on carbon. The Guardian talks of an optimum tax arrangement to give the best combination of emissions reductions and health benefits. Anyway, I take your point that the phrasing is poor and should be improved. So I replaced "well-designed climate taxes" with "carefully designed taxes". Thanks for pointing this out. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May I copy this thread (unless you do so first) to the article talk page? Once there, I'd be interested in an explanation how changing "well-designed climate taxes" to "carefully-designed taxes" avoids the issue I raised? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello NewsAndEventsGuy. Sure. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. Widefox; talk 10:35, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Widefox. Thanks for letting me know you reverted an edit of mine. On reflection, the word "international" is sufficient. Editing Wikipedia is clearly a learning process. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RobbieIanMorrison, sorry for the template use, I normally revert but spotted it after fixing the dab page. Each entry has only one blue link. Regards Widefox; talk 11:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, there were multiple blue links on EED - fixed. I changing the target of eed. Regards Widefox; talk 12:04, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Widefox. Some of those multiple blue links were mine. Thanks for keeping me informed. I have edited several disambiguation pages in the past and your information will be helpful in the future. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Diannaa. Clearly I need to either acknowledge the source in an associated commit message (for future reference because it is unfortunately not possible to alter a commit message) or rework the material so that it no longer constitutes a close paraphrase. I will opt for the latter and modify the text. The openmod-initiative wiki uses a CC BY 4.0 license so bringing material across to Wikipedia with its CC BY-SA 3.0 license is acceptable (but going in the reverse direction is not). Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 00:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've already added the attribution for this. Attribution can be added with a dummy edit like I did in this example. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Diannaa. Thanks for that information. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Energy system has been accepted

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Opinion requested

I would like your opinion on my merger proposal since this is in your area of expertise. Please comment here. Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Brian Everlasting. I added my thoughts on the merger proposal, as you suggested. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 19:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Review of Draft:Open energy system (models)

Could you please resubmit the article when you are done with the changes. I suggest you don't remove the previous comments as reviewing without those will not be feasible. Devopam (talk) 11:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Devopam. I just left a message on your talk page in relation to this. The details are given there. But I would like to apologize again here for the confusion I caused. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Open energy system databases

Hello, I was planning on reviewing your article. All in all it looks great, similar in quality to the final result of Open energy system models which you drafted. My only concern is the lack of inline citations within the lead section - while not a specific criteria for rejection of an article or draft I was wondering if it would be easy enough to support the assertions with inline citations from references you use further down below. Thanks! Garchy (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Garchy. Many thanks for the suggestion. I will have a look at this tomorrow. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Garchy. Much of the material in the introduction is a synthesis of material from the body of the article. The first two paragraphs don't lend themselves to specific references, in part because nobody in the field has published review papers yet. (One person I spoke to from the open_eGo project admitted that academic publishing has lagged substantially behind platform development.)

The more contentious claim of projects lobbying for better licenses is now backed up with a footnote and a reference to an interview. The claim that both code and data be made accessible is now referenced to DeCarolis et al (2012), who make that point in their paper.

Aside from that, I don't think there is much more I can usefully do. Thanks for the opportunity to make some improvements. Please proceed with your review. I look forward to the outcome. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking a look at the lead! I would have jumped in to help, but this is a subject matter I am entirely unfamiliar with. Overall, I definitely think this article can be moved to the mainspace at this point. Garchy (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Garchy. Thanks for your review. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Topcipher. Thanks for the notification. I have copied the wiki markup to a text file on my laptop. So go ahead and delete the draft. The assessment of the reviewer who rejected the submission was correct. The draft will take a lot of work to get it into shape and that is not a priority for me at the moment. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 14:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@RobbieIanMorrison: Appreciate your consideration! Thanks. TopCipher (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Talk: Deutsche Bank

Hello. I noticed your section in the Talk:Deutsche Bank page created in November 2016. I left a message earlier today in reflection to the recent developments. The outcome from the investigation and fallout might be worthy of its own section in the near future in relation with Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. So monitoring recent developments is important. Cheers. FunksBrother (talk) 05:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello FunksBrother. I agree that the property investment loans by Deutsche Bank to President Trump, a four-times bankrupt, are notable, if only for their incomprehensibility. And that this lending may well end up playing a significant role in the Russian collusion investigation. But the topic is quite far outside my areas of interest and I won't be contributing much. But good luck with your editing. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 05:56, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hej RobbieIanMorrison! Are you at COP too? Best, Jonas --Saippuakauppias ⇄ 01:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Saippuakauppias. No just here in Berlin. But I liked what Greta Thunberg had to say, as reported by the Guardian. I saw Arnie was speaking there too. Good luck with COP24. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:50, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please support the Sustainability Initiative!

Hello RobbieIanMorrison, I saw that you are one of the authors of School strike for climate article. Because I am looking for ways to reduce the environmental impact of Wikipedia itself, I wanted to ask you to check out the Sustainability Initiative and to add your name to the list of supporters so that I can show that many community members are behind this effort. Thanks! --Gnom (talk) 08:42, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gnom Thanks for letting me know. I just added my name. Are you aware of Hiltner (2018) and his nearly carbon-neutral conference (NCNC) model?^[1] There are inclusion benefits too with NCNC. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thank you, I will take a look! --Gnom (talk)

Hi again Gnom. The document is very sensible. One change I would consider is not using "shuttle" email for the discussion over days or even weeks, but rather a chat service (like Mattermost) and limit the period to say two days. Good luck. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Hiltner, Ken (2018). "A nearly carbon-neutral conference model — White paper/practical guide". Ken Hiltner website. Santa Barbara, California, USA. Retrieved 2019-01-28.

School strike for climate

Hi, can you look at this change done on the page. I think that this information could be reverted as it is not connected with the topic of the page... Jirka Dl (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jirka Dl. I agree that that information is not relevant on the School strike for climate page. But it is appropriate for the article on Greta if reworked. I made that suggestion on the school strike talk page. Perhaps others will agree? Thanks for raising the issue. HTH. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 08:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RobbieIanMorrison - this is exactly what I was thinking about - I tried to look the references in the paragraph - only start of the article is available - even if references are cited as English, they are in Swedish - there are continuous attacks on the page Greta Thunberg from the very beginning - look for the discussion page there - and this one looks also to be little bit similar (but probably much more close to reality) - there is a long explanation from Greta on her facebook page - "Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor does anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised for what has happened and I have accepted their apology." And maybe in this sense short information should be on the page. Jirka Dl (talk) 09:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Jirka Dl. Thanks for the update. I added the PS from Greta's facebook page to the talk page on school strikes. The level of abuse that Greta receives is concerning, that is not how we should treat each other. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RobbieIanMorrison - I added {{cleanup}} template to the page - I have not found better solution. Jirka Dl (talk) 10:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Jirka Dl. I usually favor some discussion before rolling back edits. The original author can at least see that their efforts were not summarily removed. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you don't mind....

Please recall that at Talk:Greta Thunberg, I caused chaos with a preliminary floating of the question "what if we merged" during the WDHT discussion. Today I gathered all the merge discussion in one place. After it was dead, you and I exchanged a single round of comments about edit conflict. Talking about having an edit conflict contributed nothing, so ... apologies for presuming... but I deleted that "noise". Everything you said about article content and merger is still there. I hope you don't mind, I'll restore it if you object. Have a great day! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NewsAndEventsGuy (Another merge conflict.) I personally would have left the traffic as it stood. In my view, the prospect of a merge is zero. But that should, of course, not preclude discussion. On the other theme, the WDHT text, I'm going to push WMF legal to establish child protection advocacy: that underlying issue cannot be resolved by random editors on specific talk pages. I am now of the view that European fundamental rights apply to wikipedia pages served into Europe and that WMF has a duty of care to act in the best interests of minors. They need to operationalize that duty of care. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 12:12, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Taking those concerns to the real attorneys at the foundation is exactly the best thing that can be done with them. Thanks for (A) caring and (B) investing effort. I look forward to hearing about future developments. As for merge, of course its dead. I've already said four or five or six times that I was floating a feeler not making a proposal and even the feeler already returned results that a real proposal would be DOA. Moving on now.... NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NewsAndEventsGuy. For your information, I forwarded my concerns to WMF legal today and would expect to get a response in due course. I think this is a significant issue. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for doing that. Part of me assumes they keep a close eye on this and may already have concluded that existing policies are adequate. After all, you are approaching this from the desire to set a high bar to protect the kids (and good for you!). The attorneys job is (usually) to verify minimum compliance. I'm cheering for you, though I am not holding my breath in the meantime. Sorry to say, just trying to be friendly and realistic. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NewsAndEventsGuy I'm sure I'll hear back from legal, so we'll see how that goes. Maybe you're right? Time will tell. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 19:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Quaid-e-Azam Solar Park

Hello Robbie, could you help me? I just tried to read the article Quaid-e-Azam Solar Park and was shocked. According to the article, the solar farm must have been an utter failure of the worst kind. But after looking up the sources that should back those claims, I feel puzzled as they don't back those harsh criticism. In fact it seems as if an Wikipedia author has made up most of the criticism by himself or at least misquoted his sources such as making sourced factual statements about capacity factor or prices, but adding how inadequate, expensive or riddled with flaws everything is. It seems as if this [1]is the main source for all that bashing, but after reading it, I cannot comprehend how that article lead to all that harsh condemnation. Above all it seems to me that the author who has written that Wikipedia article is lacking knowledge about how PV works and what is normal. For example he seems to expect a solar power plant to work all around the clock, and because it doesn't, it has to be a failure. I've deleted a similar claim in the past [2], but it is still suggested. In fact, the article mentions that it only produces 18 out of 100 MW several times. And there are many other similar issues as well. Could you check that. As a non-native-speaker its difficult for me to describe all the issues and flaws there, and I don't think that I could provide a completely new article, which I think is needed. And as an Wikipedian who mostly writes in the German Wikipedia, I don't have the knowledge about all that quality control pages that exist here and would be firmly needed. Therefore I thought about you. I know you are an energy researcher, having the knowledge to correct that article, or at least can initiate the quality control processes. Thank you! Andol (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Andol: will have a look tomorrow. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Andol (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Small update: It seems as if most of the controverial/manipulative edits (e.g. [3]) have been made by an user who has been banned due to similar behavior in other articles. And I have also just noticed that another user tried to rewrite the article yesterday after my comment here, though it seems mostly without sources, which is also not the way it should be done. Andol (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Andol: thanks for the update. I will still have a look this evening. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 15:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Andol: I read through the article and made some trivial edits. There seems to be quite a lot of commercial and political dispute, but I didn't find anything in the engineering content that I would object to. The recent changes you indicated seemed to have fixed those issues. Thanks for being vigilant. Beste Grüße! RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 21:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to hear that! Thank you for your help! Andol (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit request for Sultan Al Jaber

Hi RobbieIanMorrison, I work for ADNOC and I recently posted an edit request on Talk:Sultan Al Jaber. I noticed that you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy, so I was hoping you would have an interest in implementing those straightforward edits. Thanks so much. CB at ADNOC (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello CB at ADNOC. I don't have any background in conventional energy or even much background in emerging technologies. Nor any knowledge of the Middle East. My principle interests are the numerical modeling of systems and advocating for access to suitably licensed public datasets. So I don't think I can contribute in this particular instance. Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@RobbieIanMorrison: Your not baling out of Wikipedia perchance, are you? I know coi from experience that its a pain in the canker. scope_creep^Talk

@Scope creep: No chance — I'm way too addicted. ☺ I work on open data in my spare time as well: doi:10.5281/zenodo.6321004. Take care, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Geniatech v. McHardy

Nice addition to Open source license litigation; the only issue is is it's got too much detail for a section, with the result that it gives undue weight to this litigation.

In my assessment, the case has enough coverage to clearly pass notability to have its own article; and you've included enough quality references to make that clear.

It looks like you copied/pasted this from your draft at User:RobbieIanMorrison/sandbox/work in progress eW4bo3. What I propose is:

Moving User:RobbieIanMorrison/sandbox/work in progress eW4bo3 to Draft:Geniatech v. McHardy (this allows editors other than you to edit it; by convention, your sandbox is your own space and other editors will not revise text there uninvited);
revising Draft:Geniatech v. McHardy to conform to standard article format
moving Draft:Geniatech v. McHardy to mainspace article Geniatech v. McHardy;
trimming the text you added on Open source license litigation to a shorter summary; and
continuing to revise, clean up and extend Geniatech v. McHardy.

Any objection? I've long thought the McHardy litigation merited Wikipedia coverage. TJRC (talk) 01:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds excellent!

I ran the draft content past an open source law and technology community I belong to, so it should be reasonably accurate and capture most of the pertinent literature. Indeed I included the following sentiment when announcing the live version to that community: "Given the length, there may be some pressure to push this section out to a stand‑alone page and then include a precis in the parent page?" So no real surprises then. Just the speed of reaction! On a technical note, the live version was just a copy‑paste, so drawing directly from my user space stub is the correct thing to do. Finally, am happy to let someone else "create" the new article — it does not have to be under my username, if that is how it works?

I am willing to write the precis for the parent page too (particularly given my familiarity with the material).

Regarding that series of events from McHardy and his legal advisor, yeh, certainly notable and hopefully some lessons can flow from some added coverage too.

In case I need to ping @TJRC: please note my reply. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Earth Hero

I saw you had contributed to the Peter Kalmus page and wondered if you would be interested in writing about the app mentioned in the page: Earth Hero [4]. I can't because I used to be involved in the all-volunteer team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cydparr (talk • contribs) 22:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cydparr. Can you tell me something of the software development and in particular the licensing arrangements. I am much more inclined to contribute here if genuinely open source. I could not see anything on the Earth Hero landing page covering the more technical aspects. Also, sorry for my slow reply but I have been on holiday. Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibirthday

Wow what a coincidence to visit this userpage today, happy birthday

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@WhatamIdoing: many thanks. I have about six such images of different spent balloons in my private photo library. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian canoe

Please do not add irrelevant content at Canadian (canoe) that is not related with the byname 'Canadian' for canoe and already covered on the other pages about Canoe and Canoeing on Wikipedia. Kanoniem (talk) 10:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kanoniem: Could you explain please? Is there some special definition of "canadian" in this context that I am not aware of. I thought that image particularly relevant on two counts. It shows what I understand to be a canadian canoe used for touring and loaded with camping equipment. And it shows an aluminium construction. Perhaps this discussion might be better on the talk page? Regards, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see "birch bark" construction .. but is that really the case? My photo looks like a "descendant" to me. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The page about Canadian canoe is not about canoes but is about the byname Canadian for canoe like ping-pong is the byname for Table tennis and Seltzer for carbonated water. Photos or drawings must above all support the text present in order to illustrate what is stated in the text, so that one can see what you are writing about. A loaded aluminum touring canoe is not illustrating anything here, except it is just an example of a canoe that is also called a canadian canoe by many people. But so are all the other canoes on this page. Kanoniem (talk) 11:02, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kanoniem: Thanks for the explanation. I cannot say I fully understand. But there is a page on canoe camping and I will head over there instead. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 11:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Canoe_camping is the right place for such an illustration. Also I agree this is a subject that can take some time to understand, especially when you are living in Germany (or the Netherlands, as I do.) Kanoniem (talk) 11:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 2023

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Add onto this that you're now at 3 reverts, plus the original addition. Please do not revert again per WP:3RR. — Czello ^(music) 18:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To note that I did try twice to engage. First on the users Talk page and then on the article Talk page. In latter case, my adversary, if you like, rolled back without engaging. It has been difficult to sift through the issues in such circumstances. These exchanges have been very legalistic and I guess I need to accept that that style of interaction will sometimes occur on Wikipedia. Only very latterly did the other editor engage sensibly. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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About this edit; there is no instituion called Technical University of Berlin. That's just a mistranslation (arising from the false cognate Technische Universität; in German a technical university is a completely different type of higher education institution). Even the university has issued multiple statements indicating that this is merely a misnomer/mistranslation. SFBB (talk) 22:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SFBB: I wrote the section you refer to in discussion with staff at the TU‑Berlin. I'll contact that research group and ask their views on this question and will be guided by their response. I am broadly familiar with the tertiary education system in Germany. Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look here (this is one of the many communications of the university; merely the first one I found). I worked at TU-Berlin many years ago (long enough to be able to write here with neutrality), and back then there was a big uproar that the proper translation was Berlin Institute of Technology and never Technical University of Berlin (a mistranslation that has never been endorsed by TU Berlin). Some years later, it was decided that Technische Universität Berlin was never to be translated. Best, SFBB (talk) 23:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SFBB: Have just emailed the associated research group to ask their view on this question. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SFBB The research group are fine with the Deutsch version. As a matter of protocol, I would have preferred that the article not be edited with that change until after the research group concerned had responded. You may not agree, but I like to keep in contact with the subjects I write about, where appropriate. It seems more respectful to me. And for the record, I did not "invent" any names (as per your commit message), the original text was cleared by the research group in question. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the German version. It's the English version. The name of the university in English is Technische Universität Berlin (and there are many document proving that). Technical University of Berlin *does not exist*. It does not matter whether a text was "cleared" by a research group (which may not necessarily be aware of this). Just check the webpage (or any documentation) of the university. The other name simply does not exist. SFBB (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not and have not disputed the policy of the university administration in this regard. I simply said that, as an editor, I would leave it up to the primary research group to state how they wished to be represented. In addition, I am a little upset that you did not let that loop complete. In my estimation, the view of the research group takes precedence over your views. In any case, we now have a resolution that seems to satisfy everyone's needs. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Significa liberdade: Thanks. I am usually much more careful with sources — having added 200 or so peer reviewed journal articles to one page I help curate. I own that particular Sony camera so writing about the specs should be straightforward. Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@DoubleGrazing: Many thanks. My first effort was patently thin and rightfully shifted to the Draft space. But three hours of proper effort and we now have a usable article with sufficient sources. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 11:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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