User talk:Nthep/Archive 5

Various Submissions today

First thank you for taking your time to review my first attempts at submitting a number of bios. Do any of them seem like they might be improvable with proper references and notability improved and make the grade? Yes Thomas Kewin, is a paste but I mean to rewrite it.

Jonathan Lynde John Richardson Throop Richardson Thomas Kewin

I do have sources and thought that a copy and paste from WikiTree carry references. I see they don't.

thanks again, best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkewin (talk • contribs) 20:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, my honest answer is that without a lot of work I don't see any of them meeting the nobility criteria. Let's concentrate on just one and I've gone for the one I think has the best chance of succeeding - Thomas Henry Kewin - and I must admit that my confidence level isn't high. Please read WP:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (people) to see what needs to be achieved. There is one, obviosuly quite old source being used which in what was quite a common style for the time is somewhat hagiographic. However it does give us a potential route where he looks like he could have been notable and that is his role in raising funds for road construction. If there are more (preferably more recent) sources that show what a leading part he played in this scheme/programme then there is something to work on and i would think if his was a leading role then it would be enough, imo, to establish notability. Happy to help if I can but I think you have the greater access to liekly sources than me. NtheP (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much again for the assessment. How can I delete poor submissions rather than wait to have that done automatically? However I did make a new attempt at writing the article about Jonathan Lynde, with better formatting and a dozen citations. It is uploaded for review as a new article submission; the old one even had a spelling error in the title (how would that be fixed anyhow?). Again please forgive my newbie mistakes and perhaps wasting some of your time. Well, maybe Captain Lynde is not as famous as others, but he is pretty notable around Lake Champlain/Willsboro and in their museum helping to defend it from you guys in 1812 ;). I am most grateful. Learning both the formatting and requirements is not the easiest.Gkewin (talk) 06:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

You're not wasting my time or anyone elses, if we didn't care we wouldn't interact. Getting over the notability hurdle is the biggest thing to learn, it's there for a good reason - to stop WP getting filled up with real crap. The trick is sorting the wheat from the chaff. I've had a look at the Jonathan Lynde draft and I reckon there is workable material there. You've got a lot of references, we just need the text to go with them. As I see it we have the following:

Jonathan Lynde was born in Leicester, Massachusetts in 1756 and served as a soldier in the Continental Army, being wounded at the Battle of Bunker Hill. After the war he married Molly Franklin a (not very close?) relative of Benjamin Franklin and they became part of a group of settlers who refounded(?) the town of Willsboro.

Lynde is recorded as being the first inn keeper in the town and when the town established its own law and order system, he was one of the first constables and 1802 was elected sheriff, a post he held for 4 years.

During the War of 1812, the residents of Willsboro who were over normal military age formed a company of men called officially the Essex and Willsborough Associated Volunteer Exempts but known locally as the "Silver Greys" and Lynde was elected as it's Captain. The company was attached to the 37th Regiment New York Militia and was present at the Battle of Plattsburgh.

Lynde died in Willsboro(?) in 1829.

The bits I'd rely on to prove notability are the (re)founding of Willsboro and election as sheriff so the references for those need to be spot on. It's never going to be a huge article but I think there is enough.

If you want the other drafts deleting just blank the page and replace the text with {{db-g7}} instead. NtheP (talk) 12:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Quintinshill

Hi I am not sure if i am using your talk correctly.

I have just checked the Quintinshill page. What a mess some others have now made of it. I have been researching this and other accidents there are lots of mistakes and incorrect assumptions there shall I advise you or would you like me to do it?

I can give you list GC Jack 19:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

Give me a list because most of what's there is my editing. What I have is supported by either Rolt, Thomas, Nock or the BoT report so if there are innacuracies or discrepancies from the stated bits those will need to be explained. If the additions to the talk page are yours but added using an IP account can you supply page numbers for the Routledge book. NtheP (talk) 20:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I was happy with your editing overall but others have added to it. I have corrected the TooS time to 6.34 and Sandeman's summimg up only Tinsley had the memory loss. Meakin reminded Tinsley that it was there after the crash.

Meakin actually ordered Tinsley to send the "Obstruction Danger" signal to all boxes but Tinsley - probably because in shock - failed in some respects to that and only sent it to Kirkpatrick. The Gretna signalman had to phone Tinsley to find out what had happened.

However, do not add these last details as they are part of my research, I can verify them and I will post them up later. There are many other details that I could add!

Sorry to have given the impression that I was not happy with your editing. I saw it early in the week. But others have added some extra bitsGC Jack 20:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

Page 75 in the Routledge bookGC Jack 20:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

Not offended in the slightest, just want to get it right. I intend to push this for GA status (or possible FA) so the details need to be right. Do you have Hamilton's book, if so does it mention anything about Tinsley's retirement? If so page number if you have it please. NtheP (talk) 21:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes its on page 90. Tinsley was a lampman at Carlisle but he must have become a porter later as that is on his death certificate. I will look more carefully at the page to make sure there are no other corrections. Just a little extra, which Routledge mentions are the civilian deaths on the local train which I could add.

With regard to the four dead children that were sent back to Glasgow, I don't think that they were from there but have no proof as yet.GC Jack 09:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

Just a thought do you know who posted the Hugh Urquhart section? GC Jack 19:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

yes I left a message on their talk page some time ago but as they haven't edited since September I am not holding out for an answer. NtheP (talk) 20:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you let me know if they come back? As we have established, there is no record of his involvement but they might some interesting anecdotal imformation.GC Jack 16:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

sure but don't hold your breath. NtheP (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

In his book on the railway inspectorate Stanley Hall states that private arrangements on shift changes were/are still common on the railway. The authorities know about it but turn a blind eye. One contemporary newspaper report on Quintinshill supports this. Just another thought neither Hamilton's or Routledge's books contain any reference to sources. Should they be qouted on Wilipedia? GC Jack 09:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

That private arrangements did occur is liitle more than a footnote. There shouldn't have been one and the accident report was very critical of the fact that there was one. Unless there is a body of opinion that says Meakin and Tinsley were hard done by because of what they did, I don't particulalry see the relevance. As to whether Hamilton and Routledge are reliable sources or not is open to debate. If they aren't what is lost from the article? NtheP (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The report of the pelting of survivors is only carried in the Hamilton book and as thus is not verified. If I can find newspaper evidence of this can that be posted up? GC Jack 14:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

Oh yes, newspapers are a good secondary source. NtheP (talk) 14:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Nothing in the Liverpool papers that I have read - one of the many Quintinshill myths?!109.150.248.148 (talk) 08:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Well the cite says the Edinburgh Weekly not a Liverpool paper so the search may need to concentrate on that. As the wording currently stands in the article it does say It was reported in the Edinburgh Weekly that on their march from the port to the railway station the survivors were mistaken for prisoners of war and pelted by some children. That's not untrue as it's what Hamilton says and I think Hamilton names the author of the piece as well so I don't think he's lying. I know ideally sight of the paper would be nice but we're not citing the paper, we're citing Hamilton. I doubt the Liverpool papers would carry the story, so many troops etc would be passing through that this would be small beer to them. To an Edinburgh paper, with the tragedy so recent, such a slight or reported slight would be newsworthy. NtheP (talk) 09:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I hadn't spotted that I will check the Edinburgh weekly. I don't think that Hamilton is,for one minute, lying that is far too strong a word. However, careful reading of the sources for some of the things that he has written does show that he did not dig very far to verify his book. He is not alone in this of course, as you will gather railway accidents are a special interest of mine. Many books written on railway accidents are not strong on wider research. There is much more to the Ais Gill accident than has been written so far. 86.176.69.22 (talk) 13:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

That's one of the issues on WP, are sources reliable or not? It can be infuriating when you think a source could do with beefing up but if you're not careful you fall into the original research pit. On one article I was using what I considered (and still do consider) to be a reliable source but needed to refer to some of the parliamentary papers quoted. So a trip to the Parliamentary Archives (who are very helpful and accommodating should you ever wish to visit) and they dug out the minute books, I found all the info I needed but the page numbers in my RS had no resemblance to what I read for myself.

Ais Gill; 1910 or 1913? NtheP (talk) 13:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Ais Gill 1913. Can you explain the original research problem. I was at the Newspaper Library in London looking into Ais Gill and found some new facts on the accident that I never seen published before. That is original research is it not? So I can't post it up? 86.182.99.74 (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Citing a newspaper report isn't OR. What would be OR would be applying your own interpretation to that report or taking two reports and making a third synthesised opinion from them. NtheP (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks when I come back from my holiday I'll post them up GC Jack 17:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

I don't know if I have mentioned to you that I am researching for a new book on Quintinshill which will be published early in 2013.

With regard to the death total, I am meeting the archivist at the Royal Scots Museum next week and will raise the issue with him to see if they have any more facts on this. The "so called" Maryhill children were almostly ceratinly not stowaways on the troop train. Newspaper evidence suggests that they were legitimate passengers on the Glasgow express.GC Jack 08:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Great, if there is new evidence but all the current sources who mention the children suggest the troop train stowaway theory os for the time being that's what we stick with. NtheP (talk) 09:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

What will happen when the new book is published. It's a puzzle to me about OR as the book will be full of it and many new facts about the accident, would I be able to alter it or would that have to be done by a third party?GC Jack 09:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It all depends. If your book gets press coverage e.g. in railway or history publciations then accepting it as a relaible source is unlikely to be an issue. Using the content especially where it might fly in the face of current thinking would need a bit more careful handling to ensure that undue weight isn't given to it. I'm not saying you'll have loads of fringe theories but the Maryhill children is a case in point - the evidence is going to have to be presented well to go against Thomas et al. Actually on reflection that might not be too hard because I can't actually think that Thomas gives any source for his supposition, so if you do then you're a head on points. Because of the undue effect etc while I'm sure you would present things is a nuetral light you would be better letting someone eolse read your book and then edit the article. NtheP (talk) 10:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It will get press coverage, its with a major publisher who have wide press coverage for their books. My co-author is well known and has had many books published - his latest has received extensive positive reviews. Thomas does not refer to the children as stowaways - there is no reliable evidence to support what is essentially a myth. Detailed study of the troop train suggests that stowing away would have been virtually impossible. Reliable evidence that they were on the Glasgow train does exist in the Cumbrian Journal, which quotes a statement from the County Medical Officer that he discovered a child's foot that came from one of the sleeping saloons in the express.GC Jack 13:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

PS I would prefer a third party to make any changes to the pages as a result of new findings, would you like to do it? If so I will send a book to you gratis. The findings are a result of over two years research, no fringe theories, which will be verified in the bookGC Jack 13:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs)

I'd love to. NtheP (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

OK you've got the job! Could you contact me via my email please? GC Jack 16:32, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Ham and wotsit

I've declined your speedy as it's actually quite coherent. Instead, I've prodded it as a non-notable sandwich. Students do eat some strange things. (So do I - I'm thinking of trying it. Not tonight, it's chicken tikka omelette...) Peridon (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: Carnforth MPD

Would it be better if the article were entitled Carnforth motive power depot to meet WP:NAME? Most steam rail enthusiasts are going to recognise MPD but the general reader isn't. NtheP (talk) 11:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I hope that this finds you well - thanks for your message! A good point, but if we followed that to the letter we end up with more article titles like Polmadie Traction and Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot. Not sure even then a non-railway person would fully understand that either, and its personally way too long. The whole approach to naming railway depot articles needs to be addressed, and you can see the confusion/variance in the articles in Category:Railway depots in the United Kingdom. Worth discussing on the project talk page? Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 17:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks.

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Wildlife Trust Article

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Salt (chemistry)

It's actually not quite as bad as my edit-summary may have suggested...these patterns are often presented as a sort of "universal truth" in high school or first-semester college chemistry. But they're only actually true for limited combinations of the ions. The patterns are still often true, but only as an effect of the underlying chemistry involved. I wrote some prose with links about it into the article (don't have time to work more on it now, feel free to alter or let me know if it needs more detail or something). DMacks (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I was wikignoming the previous editors formatting only - not the content. My memories of inorganic chemistry are no long in the past (I still spell Sulphur, Sulphate, Sulphite) so I couldn't tell you whether it's right or wrong. NtheP (talk) 17:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Hehe okay:) FWIW, nobody here knows how to spell those, so there's a specific guideline just for that case: WP:SULF. Thanks for gnoming! DMacks (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Princess Marie Auguste of Thurn and Taxis

Thanks, was not paying attention at all :( haha HammyDoo (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries :-) NtheP (talk) 11:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Non-free image (iPad 3)

You replaced an image with a non free one, which you say is free, both images are non-free, the first one you can tell is an iPad 3 because of the retina display, while on the other one with the screen off, it looks like an iPad 2. Also this image is being tagged accordingly to be deleted off commons as it is not a free image. Also if you don't believe me, look at the glare, only apple does that. Thank you for your understanding. DreamFieldArts 17:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

No I replaced a non-free image with an image marked as free. This is in accordance with WP:NFCC#1 - that you dispute whether the other image is free or not is not my concern. NtheP (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Sarah, great, I'm really looking forward to it. I'm just turning in for the night but I'll start getting engaged tomorrow :-) NtheP (talk) 22:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

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North Staffordshire Regt

Thanks for your comments on the 1914 officers photo. I have a personal interest in the subject in that my grandfather features in both photo and book (P.D. Harris, killed 1918). I'm planning to add a few more refs from the book to the North Staffs article, though obviously not to the extent of upsetting the overall balance. GrindtXX (talk) 21:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The First World War was the biggest conflict the regiment was involved in so it could do with some expansion. My personal interest is the 2nd Battalion in which my grandfather served throughout the war and after - he was wounded during the 3rd Anglo-Afghan war in 1919. If the book has more about there activities e.g. the NWF campaign of 1915 that would be great to add in. NtheP (talk) 08:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Keepin' me straight

Thanks for fixing my named ref example! I always forget little things like the trailing slash. :P Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

It's only because I answered the same question earlier this week that it was fresh in my mind. :-) NtheP (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Chaturbhuj Temple (disambiguation)

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Men of War

Hello, on the talk page it was decided to create the section, no votes were against. Why have you deleted?? --Gaymer84 (talk) 21:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Because I don't believe it's notable, loads of games have wikis they aren't all listed. In addition it's unreferenced except by itself. NtheP (talk) 21:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Almost all infos about websites are references by themselves, thats not an exception. In addtion to that, I think an won artile for the wiki is not necessary. By the way, if you personally think its not notable, say it on the talk page, not only delete the section. There is a discussion about that, not only the others are invited to give there comment. --Gaymer84 (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Big Orange Chorus

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I didn't tag it for CSD. NtheP (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Copywrite of photos

Thank you so much for your assistance! This leads me to another question. If I cannot use old 'headshots' or old album covers, how do I upload a picture of the actor? Not much online to choose from, which is why I got the studio photos. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristi Schneider (talk • contribs) 19:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Your reply to my Teahouse Discussion page posting yesterday

Just been comparing the first, March 1 – March 14 (59 postings) with the sixth, March 30 – April 4 (29 postings)

What are the current parameters? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 06:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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I don't think that the archives are primarily setup for referencing by users but by hosts so dating hasn't been a concern up to now. NtheP (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Am I right in reading thus: to start a new archive after 70,000 bytes; (don't know)? ; leave 4 discussions; available to archive, if no new postings after 3 days? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 15:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Gareth, can't help you there - I just copied the settings off the page. As I manually archive I'm not au fait with any of the archiving bots. best person to talk to is User:Writ Keeper as he's the one who set it up. NtheP (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay... Thanks, I'll do that. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Female F1 drivers

The article is about "women in the Formula One", not about "women who have competed in a Grand Prix of Formula One". Villota and Wolff are drivers of Formula One, though they do not compete in a Grand Prix. I have marked her statistics in blue to differ to them. --Jymeen (talk) 14:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC) Read the first line of the article "This is a list of female motor racing drivers who have taken part in the Formula One World Championship" - until they are at least entered into a race then they haven't taken part in the Champiponship. How about for a compromise that we add a 's paragraph explaining Wolff and de Villota's roles but leave them out of the table until such time as they are entered for a race? NtheP (talk) 14:34, 13 April 2012 (UTC) They are in the Championship as test drivers, not only the titular drivers take part in the Formula One. The press considers them the first women in the Formula One since Amati. --Jymeen (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC) I believe that they can appear in the table with the necessary differentiation, like other colour.--Jymeen (talk) 14:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC) Take a look at http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/ - the official list of drivers entered for the championship, do you see their names there? It's not what the press think,that counts but what can be verified and if the FIA aren't including them in the list of drivers then they are not entrants. In her interview when shee got the job de Villota said "this can only help my future ambition to step up to Formula One racing" so she doesn't think of herself as an F1 driver yet. NtheP (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC) Discussion moved to [[Talk:List of female Formula One drivers]]

War Memorials Trust

Hi Nthep,

You gave me some really good advice about a fortnight ago about the page I am writing about the charity War Memorials Trust. I have taken on board comments by you and other Wiki users and have updated the page and re-submitted it, and it is currently pending. I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind taking another look at it and giving some feedback?

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/War_Memorials_Trust

Thank you!

Lecari (talk) 14:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. I've had a look and it looks a lot better to me. I've done a quick tidy on it but the main thing I would suggest is that you use {{Cite web}} for the citations - it'll make them a lot shorter and neater. I've done the first one for you so you can see what they look like. I see no reason why it shouldn't pass this time. NtheP (talk) 19:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! :) I didn't know about that so I will do it now. Thanks again for your help! Lecari (talk) 14:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

appreciate this information! very useful for beginners

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIII, April 2012

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Userboxes

Hey Nthep, I know you have helped me a lot and I was thinking of posting this to the Teahouse but considering it relates to your user page I thought I would post it here. I wanted to know about your Userboxes-box and I wanted to know if there is a template that can be used to put it to the left or right of the page, mainly because I liked it so much I decided to copy it to organize my userboxes. (Lunashy (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC))

Hi, the userboxes are topped and tailed by two templates {{userboxtop}} and {{userboxbottom}}. {{userboxtop}} supports all sorts of parameters including left or right alignment - it defaults to right. It also supports colours and different text. All over wikipedia if you see something that interests you open the page for editing and have a look at the code used - if it's what you want copy it to your sandbox to play around with. As long as you cancel the edit i.e. dont save your changes you won't have any effect on the page and the page owner, if there is one, won't even be aware that you've been there. That's how I worked out the code for your image - open your user page, keep inserting code and previewing it and once I knew what worked, cancel out of the page. NtheP (talk) 08:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The Real Housewives of New Jersey

I wasn't sure what you were trying to do here http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=The_Real_Housewives_of_New_Jersey&diff=prev&oldid=490018704 -but, what happened is that two recurring characters were deleted. I changed it back to the way it was to restore to names that were deleted by your edit, but if you were trying to fix something. I don't know what it was. HousewifeHater 07:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housewifehader (talk • contribs)

Not guilty :-) My edit just changed the logo size. The edit that removed those two characters but the one after mine by User:75.91.59.19 NtheP (talk) 07:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

OOps! I'm terribly sorry. I accidentally thought that was you because I didn't understand your summary. It was really the edit right after your's. Nice fix there btw. TY-again, sorry about that. HousewifeHater 07:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housewifehader (talk • contribs)

Yep-got it. I was wondering how to get rid of that. TY for not reminding me about SineBot as well.HousewifeHater 07:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housewifehader (talk • contribs)

No worries. I've forgotten to sign stuff before so I don't worry about other people forgetting - other editors aren't necessarily as relaxed so you probably will get reminded or sine bot will carry on nagging you. NtheP (talk) 08:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for all your help!

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I finally managed to get photos for Pari Mahal under requisite license by requesting the Photographer. I am very happy and though to share with you. Those pictures are really breathtaking. Vivek Rai (talk) 07:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Three

Hi! Welcome to the third edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!

• Teahouse reaches two month mark. The Teahouse has been live on English Wikipedia for two months now and evidence of the project's impact is beginning to show. Thank you to the hosts and Wikipedians who have helped make the Teahouse the valuable place for new editor's to seek help and feel welcome.
• April metrics report has been posted on meta! Some relevant metrics from April’s report include:

• In April, Teahouse averaged 45 questions per week.
• An average of 20 new editors visiting for the first time were served at the Teahouse, in addition to repeat guests.

Wikipedia Teahouse always keeps it classy!

• Many guests are repeat visitors: the average guest asks 1.5 questions and 22% of guests ask more than one question.

• Reports show that the Teahouse is having a positive impact on editor engagement! Comparing a sample of 75 new editors who participate in the Teahouse with a control group (of equivalent size and similar first-day editing activity) shows:

• New editors who participate in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles than the uninvited control group.
• New editor participants also make an average six times more global edits.
• Average Teahouse participants add 26 times more bytes of content that survive on Wikipedia (meaning content that isn't reverted or deleted) than the uninvited control group.

• More Teahouse participants remain active on Wikipedia at least 10 days later. Among the 224 editors in our three experimental groups, 28 percent of new editors who participate in the Teahouse were still active on Wikipedia at least ten days later, compared with 12 percent who received an invitation but didn't actively participate in the Teahouse, and only 5 percent from a similar uninvited control group.
• Teahouse visibility is a challenge, as we try to make the Teahouse visible to new editors, invitation has been the the main way of informing new editors about the Teahouse, and while that is a powerful tool, many new editors go uninvited. Input on Teahouse link placement is welcome! (Join in on the conversation here.)
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The Bugle: Issue LXXIV, May 2012

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repeating what Pluma has already written

Greetings, Thanks for your reply at Editor Training... at the teahouse. Perhaps Heather's expanded version would be welcomed as an edit to Pluma's wording on his Vandalism page? Sometimes when I research for improving wikithings I end up with more than enough tabs open in my browser, (right-click,option to open in new tab) this lets me continue with my train of thought until I'm ready to view those tabs-of-interest, I noticed another user with a page similar to Pluma's adoptionPage (a tutorial) however, as I am an avid rabbit-trail-Wrestler, I skipped over it (having Pluma's at my disposal), now I am wondering how many pages like that (categorie-wise) are there? Can they be grouped and presented for Training newbies purposes? I don't know if I am on to something here that can be researched or perhaps already been done, (saving hours so I can go about chasing my rabbit-trails). And by the way, suddenly I find myself a User in the Meta-Wiki (yes, I created my page there, not quite sure how I ended up on that Create this page), however, it really suits me well, and perhaps the other projects of the Foundation will see me a user also, Now my question is this: Do I have to login at each separately, or is there some merge or similar thing to open my User:Login across the projects, (forgive if my terminology is erroneous), what Links to all the Foundations projects or do I not want to be signed in to all at once?

Orschstaffer (talk) 12:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC), nominating you for stealth-helper award.

Hi I normally end up with multiple tabs open too :-) 10 or more isn't unknown when I'm editing or researching certain things. There are probably loads of pages of a similar nature but as a lot of them of on user pages they may not be included in any categories.

I think you will find that your log in is global and works across all wikimedia projects with the same username and password at all. You should be able to tell by looking at the User profile tab on your preferences page - it's the bit that says Global Account Status. If it says "All in order! Your account is active on 37 project sites." then you do have a global login. I wouldn't worry about being logged in on all at the same time, it's very useful if you want to look at something on Wikimedia Commons when you have something open in Wikipedia as well. NtheP (talk) 16:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I see your meaning, alls good, thanksOrschstaffer (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

hacktown123

Thanks for your response at the teahouse to Shacktown123. I spent considerable time (at OTRS) sorting out some complicated copyright issues related to a large number of uploaded photos. Naturally, the editor turned to me when the article was severely edited. I gave some advice, but that's not an OTRS function, so I suggested the teahouse, Happy to see that it is working out so far.SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:06, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

EBIPM feedback

Thank you for your thorough review and comments of my draft for an article about EBIPM. I genuinely appreciate you taking your time to help me with this. With your explanation, I can see where you're coming from when you say it has a promotional tone...I'll have to do some re-thinking and re-working. And I share your concern about my affiliation with the group that developed the concept but I don't believe there's any way we could get a neutral, non-affiliated individual to spend as much time as I have (plus the additional time I'll be spending in future drafts) without compensating them, and there's simply no way we can do that. Frankly, when I consider the time I've put in and all the hoops and policies, it amazes me that Wikipedia has so many articles. Again, I appreciate your constructive criticism and feedback and your being extra critical and picky. No need to apologize. I'd rather do it right and I couldn't do that without your help. Thank you. Ryansteiny (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Ryan, more than happy to discuss changes etc with you. Regarding a conflict of interest, if you are aware of it then it's less likely to be an issue - just remember it's an encylopaedia being built not an article for an academic journal which is going to get peer-reviewed. The main problem people connected with a topic have is remembering to include criticism of the topic in the article. If there has been criticism of EBIPM then admit it, cite it but keep it in perspective - if most academics say it's a great thing and it's only a small minority having a downer of the topic, keep that balance in the article, you don't have to wear a hair shirt. Keep it straight forward and simple and you won't go far wrong.

One thing more on formatting :-) You don't need to indent every paragraph - leave the colons out unless you need to indent like I'm doing here to show that I'm responding to your comments. Articles can be left fully outdented. NtheP (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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Ahmad Ali

Sorry I don't remember and I can't seem to find anything to indicate where it would have been copied from. However, that could mean that the site it was copied from is no longer online. One thing I see right now is that the article is largely made up of quotes and written in an un-encyclopedic style. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 10:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I knew it was a long shot, but thanks for looking anyway. NtheP (talk) 10:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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	I felt you tidied up my article, on the County Road Cutters, expertly. Jackoasisdavies (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: User:Slytherining Around32

Re your message: I deleted all of the duplicates uploaded from the NPG. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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The Tea Leaf - Issue Four

Hi! Welcome to the fourth issue of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter for the Teahouse!

• Teahouse pilot wraps up after 13 weeks After being piloted on English Wikipedia starting in February, the Teahouse wrapped up its pilot period on May 27, 2012. We expect this is just the beginning for the Teahouse and hope the project will continue to grow in the months to come!

Thank you and congratulations to all of the community members who participated - and continue to participate!

• What you've all been waiting for: Teahouse Pilot Report is released! We look forward to your feedback on the methodology and outcomes of this pilot project.
• ....and if a pilot report wasn't enough, the Teahouse Pilot Metrics Report is out too! Dive into the numbers and survey results to learn about the impact the Teahouse has made on English Wikipedia.
• Teahouse shows positive impact on new editor retention and engagement

• 409 new editors participated during the entire pilot period, with about 40 new editors participating in the Teahouse per week.
• Two weeks after participating, 33% of Teahouse guests are still active on Wikipedia, as opposed to 11% of a similar control group.
• New editors who participated in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles, make 7x more global edits, and 2x as much of their content survives on Wikipedia compared to the control group.

• Women participate in the Teahouse 28% of Teahouse participants were women, up from 9% of editors on Wikipedia in general, good news for this project which aimed to have impact on the gender gap too - but still lots to be done here!
• New opportunities await for the Teahouse in phase two as the Teahouse team and Wikipedia community examine ways to improve, scale, and sustain the project. Opportunities for future work include:

• Automating or semi-automating systems such as invites, metrics and archiving
• Experimenting with more ways for new editors to discover the Teahouse
• Building out the social and peer-to-peer aspects further, including exploring ways to make answering questions easier, creating more ways for new editors to help each other and for all participants to acknowledge each other's efforts
• Growing volunteer capacity, continuing to transfer Teahouse administration tasks to volunteers whenever possible, and looking for new ways to make maintenance and participation easier for everyone.

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GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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Abuse log info

Hi Nthep. Regarding the helpme request we both responded to, since this was a edit filter issue, the edit was never made, but it's details are recorded in the Special:AbuseLog. You can see the entries here. I said this in less detail at the helpme request but I didn't know if you would see that. It's not an issue that comes up a lot so many editors are unfamiliar with its existence. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

thanks, I'd read some about edit filters but not enough to know about this log NtheP (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Quintinshill 4 Children

Hi I don't know if you want to have a go at ammending this one.

My OR which of course,can't be used here, clearly suggests from a newspaper report at the time that the four were on the Glasgow express and may well have been refugees, possibly Belgian heading for Falkirk.

However, as I have said on the talk page the reference to the Railway Company believing they were stoways has no foundation. Check the wording in the Thomas book.

Best wishes,

Jack — Preceding unsigned comment added by GC Jack (talk • contribs) 11:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

See article talk page & article. NtheP (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

7-dimensional cross product

Hi Nthep.

Very sorry that puzzling edit about the cross product yesterday! I misread my email instructions. Rather I was supposed to thank you for your help at the Tea House, which has been very useful to our little group.

Thank you. 184.170.131.14 (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

A little favor requested!

I am here to request your honest opinion as an observer, my guide and fellow Wikipedian over here -Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Autopatrolled#User:Vivek_Rai . Thanks. VIVEK RAI :  Friend?  12:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment regarding all of the hassles I have had submitting my entry on the Holocaust

1. Made editorial adjustments as per feedback. Thank you.

2. Regarding Notability of Books. Reviewing... Thank you. Additionally, stay out of my sandbox please. Thank you.

Notability policy reviewed. In compliance. Denial of the Holocaust does constitute Notability problem. FACT stands on it's own.

Comment: No one who has reviewed this submission is denying the Holocaust as far as I can see. What is being asked of you is that you add something to say why this book about one aspect of the Holocaust is notable. Please read the criteria at WP:BKCRIT and demonstrate on this page how those criteria are met. NtheP (talk) 22:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

3. Then why was Notability even cited then? I call it as it is.

Thank you.

108.204.105.114 (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS

For medical content we at WP:MED typically require secondary sources such as review articles or major textbooks. Lectures or power point presentations are not sufficient. Thanks --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (please reply on my talk page) 02:56, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding references.

Hello. Thanks for the full explanation you left on my talk page, it was helpful. Have a nice day. Lando242 (talk) 23:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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Dead Lies

Why have you marked Dead Lies for deletion? The sources are verifiable and so far 82 people from 7 countries have donated to the project. There is no question of the movie being made. In fact it was marked for deletion last year but was removed from that list as it met requirements. FivewayFilms (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you read the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (films) and add references and reliable sources that establish the notability of a film that as yet doesn't exist. NtheP (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

We already went through this last year and it passed the requirements. Have the rules now changed? FivewayFilms (talk) 21:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any previous deletion discussion. There was a notability tag added that was later removed but no discussion about whether this article meets the notability criteria. NtheP (talk) 21:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Hammond Lard

another pointless discussion with someone who can't understand others issues

What part of this sentence are you having difficulty in understanding per your comment: "Rebecca Hammond Lard was the first poet in Indiana." I will try to help explain it for you. Thank you. --David Holmer (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC) I checked into your comments and referred with the source. I made two changes: 1) the wording in regards to Indiana's first published poetry from "is/was" to "is recorded as" per your interpretation of indefinitive source. and, 2) replaced the "great natural ability" with your "relying on her own talents". I believe this was what you were referring to by "flowery part". I also repeated the source for clarification. I am still unclear as to where you are having trouble with the first sentence above. Let me know what your having trouble with and I will try to help. Thank you. --David Holmer (talk) 02:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC) By reference to the source material I don't have any problem understanding what the phrase "first poet" means but as has been questioned elsewhere the article does not make it clear that ths was a term coined, or at least put into wider use, by Cavinder rather than a formal appointment. What I do have a problem with is your borderline lack of assuming good faith in anyone who attempts to edit or comment upon the article. The facitious tone, complete rants and comments (that you have since deleted from the article talk page) like "I can fix it properly if someone can tell me where and what is wrong" and "I request you do NOT edit in the English site of Wikipedia until you can understand the English language" that you have used when comments and/or criticisms are raised leads me to think that ownership of this article is a potential issue. NtheP (talk) 08:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC) The article is about a poet, NOT about coined phrases in the English language. The "first" at something is extremely widely used in the English language. For someone to argue about its use demonstrates that person's lack of understanding of the language. And if another editor can't understand the phrase, then BOTH editors have a lack of understanding of the language. This is further demonstrated by both editor's broken usage of the language. This is reflected both in their comments as grammar and in their editing as mis-interpretation and original research. For two editors to suddenly appear and have this problem with me suggests WP:canvassing which doesn't surprise me with the other guidelines disregarded by the other editor. My harsh tone is brought on by 1)the disrespect to my country and 2) the bullying of "seasoned editors" who have been here since 2009 toward someone new. The deletion is my attempt to abide by WP guidelines, although my comments were always about an editors COMMENTS and ACTIONS and NOT personal, they were harsh from being completely disrespected. Your comment about personal ownership of an article being an issue is a smokescreen. I would be just as furious and offended if someone were to edit the article on George Washington (which I have no editing history with) removing the statement that he was the "first" President of the United States saying that he can assure me that there were people governing and presiding over the colonies before him. This IS what this problem between me and the other editor is about. He has also a history of undoing everything that I edit. THIRTY other articles. All of which I stopped editing and left Wikipedia, upset over. For you to suddenly appear working on this article and admit that you are involved with this other editor, suggests WP:canvassing. I WAS exercising WP:good faith assuming that you were NOT involved with canvassing and the other editor. From your own admission, I was wrong. --David Holmer (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC) I doubt Cavinder or anyone else can establish that Lard was the first poet in Indiana and coined the phrase to mean first poet known to have published work and as such I have no problem with the use of the phrase as long as the same caveats are applied in the article as are applied in the source material (which is now the case). I don't really care about your interactions with another editor but you have to understand that wikipedia is a collaborative effort and collaboration sometimes requires consensus and a willingness to give and that includes the language used in articles. I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate any disrespect of the US only your refusal to accept valid comment about the style of the article. Note valid here does not mean the comment is correct but that the making of the comment is correct and does not break any wikipedia rule or policy. And what admission would that be then? If you have any evidence of canvassing between any other editor and me I'd love to see it because there isn't any. As far as I know the only editor I've had any interaction with is User:Spanglej where I left a message on his talk page earlier today. NtheP (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC) WHY do you doubt Cavinder? Why do you and Spangle feel the need to doubt or disregard an American Book of Record as a source at the risk of disrespecting my people and my culture. I have warned you multiple times against this disrespect. Do I need to go to an administrator and ask them to block you? If this is NOT a vicious attack on me and my culture, then what is it... I asked if this was a communication problem from a lack of understanding my language--to which you BOTH strongly object. So what is YOUR problem, how am I suppose to sit here and get repeatedly attacked by your comments without a way to respond??? --David Holmer (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC) What are you talking about coined phrases for? In English, a coined phrase refers to either a mantra or saying or the beginning of using terms--none of the which is in this case. The article is about a poet NOT about English usage. If you understand the phrase "first" as in first poet, first President of the United States, first man to walk on the moon, then WHAT is YOUR problem? I am being VERY PATIENT with you, but my patience is running thin. --David Holmer (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Try calming down and realising that nobody is making attacks on you or your culture. The use of the word "first" is understood but "first poet" needed clarifying to establish the circumstances in which Cavinder applied the term to Lard i.e. that he had only had a belief that she wrote the state's first book of poetry. That's been clarified in the article so in terms of the article I don't have an issue with the phrase. Yes, I do still have concerns about the term when it's impossible for Cavinder or anyone else to categorically establish that there wasn't someone else who wrote poetry, albeit unpublished, in the state earlier than Lard. NtheP (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC) IT IS SIMPLE ENGLISH, like first President of the United States, first man to walk on the moon. There is NO NEED for clarification--it is as simple as you can get. It is NOT impossible for them to categorize this... this is what they do as RECORD KEEPERS. You obviously do NOT have enough grip on the language to understand this. I am done trying to explain it to you here. This is ridiculous. If you or your friends continue to WP:canvassing and be disruptive to this article's improvement, I will go to the administrator noticeboard and ask for you to be blocked. Thank you. --David Holmer (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Have no fear, I have no intention of continuing this conversation either here or on the article talk page. The clarification I originally suggested has been made, anything else is banging my head against a brick wall. NtheP (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC) David, I do realy not think that any editor degrading anything, all of us are trying to help the improvement of the article and its stlye of writing and use of language. As a creator of the article, your concerns can fall under coi and this violation will create difficulties rather than comprmise. Be a calm, and discuss your concerns in a way of softness as civility. I hope this helps you all.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Tim Gustard

Hi I see you complemented the writer of 'Tim Gustard' back in November. The article has since been vandalized almost out of existence by Filthemill. Should you wish to correct this and need the information please contact me on tim.gustard@btinternet.com for any information you might need. thanking you in anticipation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.39.244 (talk) 09:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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What Would Happen in WW3?

I changed this article from Speedy deletion as a test page, to prod, because it was not a test page but a speculative essay . G2 is limited to "A page created to test editing or other Wikipedia functions." not "pages inappropriate for an encyclopedia on general grounds" DGG ( talk ) 00:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Five

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Vandalism

How am I vandalising Wiki when I done genuine article about a footballer that died in 2007.GeorgeT2008 (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Because you repeatedly refuse to provide any evidence that either he existed or if he did that he meets the notability guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia. How hard is it to provide some concrete proof that supports what you are saying? Repeatedly insisting on the article staying isn't enough. NtheP (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Collapsed SHOUTING from banned user that is giving me a headache

Servant of God Rev.Sr.Rani Maria I DON'T KNOW HOW U KNOW THAT THIS IS A COPY RIGHTED CONTENT. I HAVE MADE LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE ARTICLE AND IT IS MOST RELIABLE.I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER U HAVE CHECKED THAT SITE.IF U HAVE NOT PLS CHECK AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN THAT AND MY ARTICLE.I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE SHOULD BE THERE BETWEEN ARTICLES OF TWO DIFFERENT SITES.CAN U SHOW ME THE COPY RIGHT POLICY OF THAT SITE .HOW ARE U VERY SURE ABOUT IT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payansarun (talk • contribs) 22:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC) WHY NOT THE DELETION NOT SHOWN IN THE DELETION LOG. I WOULD BE HAPPY IF U EXPLAIN IT.I AM WASTING LOT OF TIME ON IT.IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY PLAYING A JOKE OR A PRANK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payansarun (talk • contribs) 22:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC) WHY NOT THE DELETION NOT SHOWN IN THE DELETION LOG. I WOULD BE HAPPY IF U EXPLAIN IT.I AM WASTING LOT OF TIME ON IT.IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY PLAYING A JOKE OR A PRANK. .Servant of God Rev.Sr.Rani Maria I DON'T KNOW HOW U KNOW THAT THIS IS A COPY RIGHTED CONTENT. I HAVE MADE LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE ARTICLE AND IT IS MOST RELIABLE.I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER U HAVE CHECKED THAT SITE.IF U HAVE NOT PLS CHECK AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN THAT AND MY ARTICLE.I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE SHOULD BE THERE BETWEEN ARTICLES OF TWO DIFFERENT SITES.CAN U SHOW ME THE COPY RIGHT POLICY OF THAT SITE .HOW ARE U VERY SURE ABOUT IT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payansarun (talk • contribs) 22:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC) .Servant of God Rev.Sr.Rani Maria I DON'T KNOW HOW U KNOW THAT THIS IS A COPY RIGHTED CONTENT. I HAVE MADE LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE ARTICLE AND IT IS MOST RELIABLE.I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER U HAVE CHECKED THAT SITE.IF U HAVE NOT PLS CHECK AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN THAT AND MY ARTICLE.I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE SHOULD BE THERE BETWEEN ARTICLES OF TWO DIFFERENT SITES.CAN U SHOW ME THE COPY RIGHT POLICY OF THAT SITE .HOW ARE U VERY SURE ABOUT IT. WHY NOT THE DELETION NOT SHOWN IN THE DELETION LOG. I WOULD BE HAPPY IF U EXPLAIN IT.I AM WASTING LOT OF TIME ON IT.IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY PLAYING A JOKE OR A PRANK. --Payansarun (talk) 22:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC) I REQUEST TO PLS REPLY QUICKLY AS U QUICKLY DELETED MY ARTICLE I REQUEST U TO PLS REPLY QUICKLY AS QUICK AS U DELETED MY ARTICLE IN 2 SECONDS. I DONT KNOW HOW U KNOW IT IS COPYRIGHTED IN TWO SECONDS. --Payansarun (talk) 22:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

You have been reported...for some reason.

Just thought you should be aware of the conversation(s) going on at User talk:Jimbo Wales. AutomaticStrikeout 23:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Tag a copyvio and get mentioned on Jimb's talkpage. Is there a barnsatr for that? :-) NtheP (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Got it

LMAO, Sorry for putting the time in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Im a mob guy (talk • contribs) 21:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Harry Judge

Aargh! Thanks for fixing Harry Judge. Embarassing mistake on my part! Jonathan A Jones (talk) 18:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Glossary of underwater diving terminology

Hi Nthep,

You placed a generic "refimprove" template at the top of the article. Most of the terms are linked to articles where they are defined and adequately referenced. Many others are common knowledge in the field, and would not generally be considered controversial. Are you suggesting that in each case the reference must be copied to the glossary? If so please explain why, if not, please be more specific as to which terms you are challenging, so I don't waste too much time referencing the others.

Thanks, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 12:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Peter, thanks for the message and thanks for the references you have already added. Anything that is hatted to another article is fine as far as I'm concerned. It's the non referred items that I think need referencing. I appreciate what you say about many of them being non controversial and they may be common knowledge in the field but the point, I suggest, is that this isn't a specialist encyclopedia and therefore the terms need to be understandable to the average reader. Yes some are probably explained enough not to require references e.g. bottom time but where the term is unlikely to be encountered elsewhere or contains unusual term I think it needs some sort of reference e.g. chicken suit (who coined the term, if known?) and BOP stack where blowout preventer rams needs defining or referencing. Thanks again NtheP (talk) 17:24, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Nthep, I get your point about the average reader, which is why I asked you to be specific, as you are more likely to be an average reader in this field than me, and will be able to specify what is strange or dubious to you, whereas I am less able to disciminate between the totally ordinary and the somewhat less familiar because to me most of the terms are familiar. A generic 'references needed' doesn't help at all. Inline requests for citation help everone. For example, blowout preventer rams I can reference from memory, but though chicken vest is a common term among Cape Town divers, but it might be difficult to find a reference. I wish I knew who coined the term, but I think that its origins are unlikely to be found, far less a reference. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 18:24, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Peter, I've looked through, added a few links myself which clear up several (for me) so I'm just left with three that I think need something more

1. Backmount mentions BCD - what's BCD an acronym for?
2. BIBS - any website give a description?
3. DIN fitting - some sort of link to screw thread nomenclature needed?

NtheP (talk)

Thanks, those should be easy. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Not as easy as it looked, I couldn't find website to show a BIBS mask, though I know I have done previously. Anyway I added a ref to the US Navy Diving Manual which refers to them a dozen or more times, but doesn't ever show a picture. I will try to get a photo next week as I am scheduled to audit a commercial diving school, and one of the items on the checklist is chamber BIBS... Depends who does that part of the job. The other two should be OK now. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 20:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Please feel welcome to continue looking for and marking anything which is not sufficiently clear. It is very helpful. You can either use inline templates or leave a note on the talk page, they are on my watchlist. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 20:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for your help. NtheP (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

2010-11 Bradford City season

I really appreciate it that you took time to speak to me :) I will find the actual player pages from now on (thanks for pointing it out as I had no idea it took you to a different page) and thanks for informing me of the date thing. I am not finished altering that page yet anyway so I shall delete the letters from the date numbers. Again thank you for recognizing my efforts and thank you for the feedback :) Migitgem2009 (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVII, August 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; award recipients; contest results Articles: The month's Featured and A-class content Book reviews: Nick-D on the legacy of World War II Op-ed: Bomzibar on German military history

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Re: "Links to international Wikipedias should explicitly show that the link is not to an English language page"

Are you sure about that? No mention of it at Help:Interlanguage links which even goes as far as putting the pipe trick in to hide the interwiki bit. NtheP (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

For my unauthorized synthesis of Wikipedia guidelines, mea culpa. My personal judgment is to follow the principle of least astonishment that states, "We support the principle of least astonishment: content on Wikimedia projects should be presented to readers in such a way as to respect their expectations of what any page or feature might contain." That statement is specifically directed toward controversial content but I believe that the principle applies to Wikipedia articles that aren't controversial. In the essay on better articles, the principle translates to, "You should plan your page structure and links so that everything appears reasonable and makes sense. If a link takes readers to somewhere other than where they thought it would, it should at least take them somewhere that makes sense." A reader should be informed if a link will take them to an article in another language.

I used the Wikipedia:Red link article as my first source for my recommendation to Van Aldenhaag. That page states:

* The subject of the red link may be covered on another edition of Wikipedia. If such an article meets the English-language Wikipedia criteria, then list it on Pages needing translation into English; if not, use a link to the article in the foreign-language version of Wikipedia instead of a red link. Such links can be made by:

• • Explicitly including the language tag in front of the article name; for example, the article Highway route markers has a short section on Dutch highway route markers with a reference to the Dutch-language article nl:Hectometerpaal.
  • Creating the language as a superscript; for example Les Blondes ^(FR) in List of Franco-Belgian comic series.
  • Using the template {{ill}}.

From there I derived explicitly. Help:Interlanguage links showed using the pipe trick to hide the interwiki in two examples where different alphabets made it obvious that the links were to international pages. The English alphabet examples were just added as shown in this diff. The two examples added would not be used in-line since there are entire articles in both the Japanese and English Wikipedias. I'll remove the inappropriate examples the next time weather keeps me indoors at the keyboard. Perhaps I'll also start a discussion on the talk page about explicitly identifying links to international wikis.

Hope I didn't bore you with my explanation of my thought process. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 01:50, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Nthep, thanks for the message regarding removing links. I'm still finding my feet so to speak with wikipedia, so all the help i can get is very much appreciated. Should commercial website links be removed and what other links should or should not be removed. --Jonhope123 (talk) 21:47, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

rtbot.net

This site appears to be a Wikipedia mirror; they assert copyright, but it looks like they're the ones copyvio-ing; not us. It's listed here: Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Pqr#rtbot.net You labelled Studio City Sound as a copyvio fromet rtbot.n, but I declined it for the above reason. If you think there's an error, please follow up with me. WilyD 07:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

It didn't appear to be a mirror but if it is, not worries from me with the speedy being declined. NtheP (talk) 08:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Six

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Harold Blackburn

Hi Nthep,

Thanks for cleaning up this page and checking out the references. Regarding the reference to the closure of the Blackburn Flying School in 1913, I haven't been able to find a specific reference to it. It rather seems that the school just petered out after the first batch of students got their Royal Aero Club licenses. So I have changed the placement of the reference within the sentence to refer only to the school's operations and left a slightly vague comment about the closure unreferenced -- I hope this is OK?

Please let me know if you feel any further references are required.

On another point, I did note that the height {[convert|6,000|ft|m}} which someone has added did not appear to be displaying correctly? Micafilms (talk) 19:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Military history coordinator election

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Page Curation update

Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced CSD logging! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Sláturfélag Suðurlands

Hello Nthep. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sláturfélag Suðurlands, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I consider there is enough here to pass A7. Take to AfD if you like, but I think sources could probably be found. . Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 17:18, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Fairy snuff. NtheP (talk) 17:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

125th PA Infantry

NtheP, I am very thankful for your mentorship as we co-wrote this page, and I will never forget your patience and forbearance with that project. As I have attempted to elevate the page from C-class to B-class and B-class to A-class, someone offered the opinion that the page was incomplete without evidence of the Regiment's activities after muster out. Since they did not remuster as a unit, either under the ordinal 125 or any other, the 'after muster out' story is a story of the individuals. Trust me, I didn't want to spend the time I spent on that section, but someone else considered it necessary.

I agree it's necessary to say, in general terms, what happened to the men of the regiment afterwards - which you have done - but not to specify to individual level especially when it's only a sample of the men.

If you have the time please edit that section to your liking; there's no Wiki-editor whom I would trust more to edit that page. In certain regards, I trust your judgment more than my own.--Donaldecoho (talk) 16:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That's very kind of you to say so, but not necessarily true :-) I will take a look over the next few days. NtheP (talk) 17:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Now that I concentrate on the section, I think you already did the requested edit. BTW, please view the photo of Monday morning's 'coincidence' on my talk page.--Donaldecoho (talk) 00:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI, a very unusual thing happened on the Antietam Battlefield on the morning of Monday, September 17, 2012. As I re-traced the steps of the 125th across the Battlefield in 'real 150th Anniversary time,' I ran into a descendant of the 5th Texas doing the same thing. When I posted the photo on Facebook, showing both of us in our uniforms, the caption was "150 years ago today, our ancestors (5TX and 125PA) tried to kill one another; today, we are two Americans with a love of history." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donaldecoho (talk • contribs) 10:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That was a hell of a coincidence but I'm sure a moving experience. As the only battlefield any of my predecessors fought upon is in Afghanistan (almost 100 years ago) I doubt I'll have the same occur to me. NtheP (talk) 15:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Good catch!

I feel ashamed... Good catch! Theopolisme 22:18, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

It's late in the day (well it is where I am) so you're tired. NtheP (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Always love a good excuse... Theopolisme 22:51, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter

Hey Nthep. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.

Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:26, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Alhaji Gero

Hi Nthep, thanks for your message. The version of this article that I tagged for possible notability issues was smaller, and cited only two sources. I believe it was tagged correctly at the time. It did its job in attracting further review from someone with more knowledge of the topic, who in turn found the article in a more advanced state. I trust your review, and do not dispute your removal of the tag. Stay well, and happy editing!  -- WikHead (talk) 21:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; award recipients; contest results Articles: The month's Featured and A-class content Book reviews: AustralianRupert on artillery in South Australia, and Nick-D on Venice's empire Op-ed: Nick-D on the "Kokoda: Beyond the Legend" conference

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Template

Thanks for your comments... I think I have {{Regiments of Foot}} behaving itself now :-) Lozleader (talk) 09:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter - closing up!

Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Citrus Black Spot

Hey, as part of a plant pathology class, myself and other students have been assigned to renovate and expand certain plant pathogen articles. While Guignardia citricarpa is indeed the correct teliomorph name, my professor would like to see these diseases categorized by their common industry name. This is why we started a new page. Do you have questions or comments? GreenOnions22 (talk) 21:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but what your professor wants and the way Wikipedia works aren't necessarily the same thing and the convention is to use the scientific name (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora)). I suggest you leave the redirect to G citricarpa and instead expand that article instead. NtheP (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information on naming. It was pretty helpful. According to the naming article, "Scientific names are to be used as article titles in all cases except when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany; e.g. rose, apple, watermelon. These exceptions are determined on a case-by-case basis through discussion towards consensus." Firstly, G. citricarpa is not a plant, but rather, a fungi. Secondly, the article even mentions that naming conventions must be looked at on a case-by-case basis. There are plenty other economically-important plant pathogens listed under their common names but still including the scientific names. Since G. citricarpa is primarily known outside of plant pathological discussion as "Black Citrus Spot," we believe it is the preferred title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenOnions22 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes I know the link was to the naming convention on flora, but it's the closest to a separate article on fungi. Whichever way you go the point is that there are now two articles on the same topic and that situation should not continue. I suggest you raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi - you might also want to look at the topics in Category:Fungal plant pathogens and diseases, note virtually all use the scientific name. NtheP (talk) 22:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. We'll contact them to further discuss this. In the meantime, we'll continue to work on the page since our rough draft of the remodeled page is due soon. We'll modify the page later according to our response from the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi. GreenOnions22 (talk) 22:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

just to add, the additions are fine but possibly a little US centric for something that isn't widely encountered there e.g. Spraying dates they will vary depending on the growing season, different in the Southern Hemisphere. 08:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Your edit has been saved

Thanks - you mean add the code to User:GiantSnowman/monobook.css? GiantSnowman 10:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

yep, if that's the skin you use or your common.css file if you want it to work with all skins. I see from your user page you live in North Yorks, so do I - although it's not where I'm from. NtheP (talk) 10:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll try the common just in case I case I change skin. Cheers, GiantSnowman 10:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

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A cup of coffee for you!

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Long Branch, Toronto

Thanks for reporting the massive edit war at this article; I've protected it for a week. FYI, a better place to go is WP:AN3, which is dedicated to stamping out edit wars; WP:RFPP got it done, but WP:AN3 is meant for this kind of thing and will probably get a faster response. Nyttend (talk) 00:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, noted for future reference. Sorry the edit war appears to be spilling over to your talk page. NtheP (talk) 09:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Justin Jones performing at the ACL Music Festival, October 12, 2012.jpg

Is it possible to remove this photograph? I am about to upload a different photograph that I do have written permission for and I will email that to the appropriate address. Thank you. JustinJones930 (talk) 18:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes you can. Blank the page and insert {{db-g7}} instead. An administrator will then delete the page for you. NtheP (talk) 20:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi,

You recently edited my Article for Creation: Anna Harvey by tagging the images posted for deletion. I along with the copyright holders of the images have since emailed the image permissions email with the necessary email and the images are still being held. Could you please advise as to how to go about retrieving them so I can publish my page please?

All best, User:JolyonLoy

WikiProject Staffordshire

Hi,

I am currently working as Wikipedian in Residence at Staffordshire Archives and Heritage Service. Are you still interested in starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Staffordshire? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Andy, I most certainly am. Sounds a great residence to have. Are you working out of Stafford or Stoke or both? NtheP (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

The county museum at Shugborough, but mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

even nicer. How long for? NtheP (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Part time, over the next couple of months. There's more at Wikipedia:GLAM/SAHS, including an ever-growing list of red links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Bernard Berkhout

You recently tagged this article for proposed deletion on the grounds of it being a BLP with no references. I've tidied the article up a bit, added internal and external links, found pages that link into it etc. I also found a couple of references. I don't know if there's yet sufficient to remove your prod and replace with a BLPrefimprove tag - perhaps you could take a look. I note that another editor has said that the bulk of the article seems to be sourced from Doctor Jazz Magazine, but this is not accessible from the web. It would be a shame to delete this article - he is clearly a notable musician both in and out of Holland, if only for the people he has played with - but I have scoured Google etc for other than YouTube/Facebook/downloads with little success. Emeraude (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, the narrow parameters of BLPprod are not longer applicable, so I've deleted that and inserted a BLPsources tag instead. Thanks for your work on this. NtheP (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks. Emeraude (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Sabhyasachi Mukherjee at the launch of Zoya Banaras collection by Taj Khazana.jpg

I have seen the images from the same websites being used on wikipedia & permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify these images, providing the site is attributed and a direct link running to the source on their site is provided.

Can you please check this link where this license appears http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Ritu_kumar_with_anushka_sharma_store_launch.jpg

This is my first image upload so I opted to follow the website which is licensed in wikipedia.

Thanks Callousfreak (talk) 19:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

There does appear to be a specific licence on wikimedia commons for images from the bollywoodhungama site but it is still your responsibility to prove it meets those criteria. As this particular licence is not available on wikipedia I suggest you reupload it but to Commons instead and add both of the licence tags {{Cc-by-3.0-BollywoodHungama}} and {{Cc-by-3.0-BollywoodHungama/notconfirmed}}. This will enable an administrator at Commons to check the validity. NtheP (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the OTRS ticket on all bollywoodhungama images at commons is the same reference number (ticket #2008030310010794) so the permission is blanket (except for wallpapers etc. as annotated). Keri (talk) 19:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

So it should be transferred to Commons asap and tagged correctly. NtheP (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Done-diddly-un. Keri (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	You don't have one of these yet, and you really deserve it. :D Qbgeekjtw (talk) 19:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the copy right

Sorry to bother you, but can I try the same photo with the same source and license under fair use or maybe freely licensed ?? I could upload it under Previous publication One article minimum Contextual significance Thanx please reply back

Please check the file again, I have re uploaded the pic under fair use , I hope it is well within wiki's regulations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadadum (talk • contribs) 18:25, 15 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadadum (talk • contribs) 17:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not bother. Sure, you can change the information to a fair use rationale. Please read the criteria first so you understand what basis the images can be used under. NtheP (talk) 17:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:No content on page listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:No content on page. Since you had some involvement with the Template:No content on page redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 70.24.247.127 (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Richard Matthew Carlin

Hi Nthep, regarding the photographs removed from this article. I basically have permission from the photographers to use these on this Wiki article, so how should I go about adding them properly? Best! Pearlykick (talk) 11:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Ok if you have permission you need to do the following.

1. Upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons but in the licence bit add this code {{OTRS pending}}
2. Send the email you have giving permission to permissions-commonswikimedia.org. Someone at the OTRS desk will check that the permission is correct and if so will update the file licence accordingly. Include in the email the url to the photo you have uploaded.

Note the permission you have must identify the image (attach a copy) and state that permission is given under a free licence. If you aren't sure that the email you already have isn't explicit on this point I suggest you get the photographer to complete one of the release templates found here and return it to you. Please make sure the photographer knows what they are agreeing to. This is a universal licence that allows reuse anywhere by anyone and use of the photos is not just limited to wikipedia or any other wikimedia site. NtheP (talk) 13:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks for your help! Pearlykick (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Help

	Help
	Hi, thank you foe your help. This may sound silly, but I don't even know how to send you a message on Talk. This was the only way i could send you a message. How do you use talk? StangerManor (talk) 09:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the trophy. Using talk pages is like editing other pages - you add your content and save it. Talk is something on a misnomer as it's not a messaging tool like MSMessenger or Skype but is more like a discussion forum. You leave me a message, I can respond or choose not to respond. One of Wikipedia's failings is that although we should always try and assume good faith on the part of all editors, nobody is obliged to take any notice of what is left on talk pages. There are guidleines about user talk pages - see WP:TPG but the main thing is to remember to sign your posts on all talk pages by adding ~~~~ at the end of your post which autogenarates your signature and a timestamp. It's also good etiquette to keep discussions in the same place so that's why I'm answering you here on my talk page but have left a talkback message on your talk page to tell you that I've replied. NtheP (talk) 10:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!. I think I understand it now. I will refer to you if i need any help in the future.StangerManor (talk) 16:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

YellowPegasus

FTI YellowPegasus (talk · contribs) has been blocked, though I suspect that he's the same as 96.50.22.205 (talk · contribs), should I initiate an SPI? -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 23:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

An SPI has already been started for this accounts. NtheP (talk) 19:53, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Images created by Bofors40mm

I would appreciate it if you didn't delete these images or challenge the copyright status. These photographs were taken during the Second World War and my grandfather was given them by the person who took the photographs. Copies of the photographs are also held in the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park Maryland and the Imperial War Museum in London. The copyright has expired and they are also public record. These is no legal issue with the copyright status. If I filled out the form incorrectly, please amend rather than delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bofors40mm (talk • contribs) 01:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

There probably aren't any issues with the copyrights but you aren't supplying enough information for this to be determined. I'm more than happy to correct the licences but need more information first. Date of expiry of copyright/entry into the public domain is not based on the date of the image especially as you appear to know who the photographer(s) were. You need to provide

1. The author of the image if known, if unknown that needs to be stated
2. The date of the image
3. Where you got the image from. If they are personal images in your possession that's fine but if they are held by NARA and/or the IWM and are available online please give a full URL so it can be checked.

Some of your images you tagged as being with permission of the Australian Army, but again the author needs to be known as the Australian Crown Copyright release will only apply if the image was taken by someone in their official capacity e.g. a soldier's snapshot would not fall under this release but an image by an official Australian Army war photographer would qualify. NtheP (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Kanose POW Camp.png

Hi! I saw you tagged the image. It's pd in Japan. See this template. Sorry, but I don't know what is appropriate to do about it. Please removed the tag. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

It might well be public domain in Japan but it should still be sourced as the template says. NtheP (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

The photograph was taken by a hancho who worked at the Kanose Carbide Company. The name of the hancho is unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.237.139 (talk) 22:37, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

If you know that you know where the image is taken from, so please provide that information. NtheP (talk) 22:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I was shown the photograph by a factory employee during my visit to Kanose. It was tucked away in a drawer in the Kanose Carbide Company office.--Bofors40mm (talk) 11:33, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

At last, if you'd provided all this information in the first place, this could have been sorted ages ago. I've updated the details for this image accordingly. Now can we do the same for all the others? NtheP (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please. Most of my research has been obtained the same way. Never seen before stuff hidden away in boxes. --Bofors40mm (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

With pleasure, so let's start with all the other images currently tagged. I must warn you now this might mean some are not public domain and if so will need to be deleted. NtheP (talk) 09:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Image upload

I am pretty new to Wikipedia, I used "Fair use", but in reality it is an image which I obtained permission from the photographer to use. It is the most recent photograph of the musician being discussed in the article. How do I properly identify this? I can provide the contact information for the photographer.--Salsany (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, have a read of Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. In essence get an email confirming use of the image off the photographer, send that and the image to permissions-commonswikimedia.org and add {{OTRS pending}} to your image. Someone at the OTRS desk will look the permission over and update the licence accordingly. The photographer needs to understand that they are granting a universal re-use licence and that the image can be used anywhere by anyone. NtheP (talk) 11:55, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Galyna Zubchenko's page

Hi, thank you for support on wikipedia. I try to correct all grammar mistakes I found on Galyna Zubchenko's page. So,look, please, if tag "copy editing for Grammar" can be removed. Thank you in advance. Olexchest (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think it needs a thorough rewrite by a copy editor. Your English is a lot better than my Russian but it's apparent than you've translated directly from the Russian into the English and as a result it's quite stilted. NtheP (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, will be glad for any help. Thank you. Olexchest (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

re BLP Noticeboard Gustl Mollath

Perhaps this [1] might answer your question. (It made me quit some days ago →[2]. It only spoils my mood and efforts, and I don't want to be a part of it.) --46.115.53.63 (talk) 05:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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change image rights

I uploaded a photo for the Marine Mammal Center and listed it as non-free - fair use. Since I am the photographer, I should have used an appropriate Creative Commons license. How do I change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron J Cohen MPH (talk • contribs) 12:55, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Answered at the Teahouse. NtheP (talk) 13:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

talk to me and let's move on

Hey! I have fixed the File:Denise Rutkowski.jpg issue you spoke of. Contact me on my talk page and we'll move on successfully.

Thanks! --Frankzipho (talk) 01:59, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Merry Christmas!! I just wanted to get your input, because I want to make sure the photo is of small enough size so it doesn't affect the process. Let me know how small it should be, or if you have time, you can upload it smaller.--Frankzipho (talk) 03:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Collapsed long discussion with juvenile editor who doesn't understand copyright

about imagen this picture is own my work http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Freecontent.jpg please say me of what OTHER imagen you talking about? MervinVillarreal (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC) answered at your talk page. NtheP (talk) about picture 2 You found another image equal to this on the internet? if so, where? Could it be free? I had uploaded once before and was erased it, and it was my cousin who created the picture, and uploaded it to his Facebook page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Socialnetworksguys.jpg MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC) original https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=405556196185654&set=pb.147462245328385.-2207520000.1356642560&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash3%2F12587_405556196185654_529664193_n.jpg&size=550%2C574 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MervinVillarreal (talk • contribs) 21:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Yes, I know that. if this is your cousin's work then you shouldn't have a problem getting his permission to use the image but you do not go on claiming it is your own work which is what you have done twice now. No permission = No upload. NtheP (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC) on the picture of facebook say: Free content. "This is a free work. That I can Demonstrate it is legally okay for anybody to use, in Wikipedia and elsewhere, for any purpose." So, I proved it. MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC) I could post a photo on Facebook and say it was free content. Since the original image is to be found here and copyright is claimed on it by the original author, you and your cousin cannot grant permission for it to be used anywhere else. Just because something is freely available on the internet does not put it into the public domain. All you have "proved" is that many images found on Facebook are copyright violations. NtheP (talk) 21:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC) and if I upload the image, and give credit to the site where it was uploaded will return to remove the picture?MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC) It will still be removed as a copyright violation. You have to have the explicit permission of the copyright holder to use the image. Nothing less will do. NtheP (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC) and about this OTHER picture http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File_talk:Martianswithme.jpg the picture is own by me, i edited the picture, also, if i upload the picture to wikipedia as my work, will be deleted? MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC) http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:MervinVillarreal#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_File:Martianswithme.jpg MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC) "Please indicate here if you have previously published this item elsewhere, e.g. on your own website, your Flickr or Facebook account, etc., providing a link." MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Well go on then provide a link. I found the image here. Can you prove you took this photo? As I said before making a small change in Photoshop does not create a new image that you can claim as your own. You need to learn, very quickly, that copyright violation is not tolerated on Wikipedia and you will end up being blocked from editing if you continue to upload images claiming they are yours when they are nothing of the sort. NtheP (talk) 21:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC) I put that page in the first image I uploaded, I went up that picture, in 2010 How do I recover the rights? obviously that picture is not real, but I edit the picture.MervinVillarreal (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC) If it's your photo then the rights are and remain yours. But you need to prove that you did take the original photo. The person who uploaded it to that forum, they can support a claim by you that you sent them the photo? NtheP (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC) how I can show how I edit that image? if it was almost 3 years ago. also on http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File_talk:Martianswithme.jpg I had put this page as a source, but was erased. MervinVillarreal (talk) 22:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Either you can prove you took the original photo or you didn't. All you put on the image page before it was deleted was that you had edited the photo, no indication at all of where it have been previously published or that you were the original photographer. If you took the photo presumably you still have the original somewhere? NtheP (talk) 22:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC) i upload the picture here! http://forum.incrediblecharts.com/messages/427230/2709975.html was taken in Riverside, Washington, and obviously I edited in my house, are my parents. MervinVillarreal (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC) I just uploaded this picture http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Askdkpicture.jpg please, erase it, I told you where and when i take the picture. but if not enough information, delete the image, I do not want be blocked.MervinVillarreal (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Yet you can't prove it. Sorry to sound sceptical but if I took a photo and subsequently uploaded it to a forum and then later to wikipedia then I'd make sure I could prove it was mine. And I see from your user page on the Spanish wiki that you are only 15, so you took this photo when you were 11 or 12? I just find that a bit too much to believe. I suggest you drop uploading images until you have a better understanding of the copyright rules on wikipedia and stick to editing articles. NtheP (talk) 22:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC) I edited the photo along with my dad. I was 13, but thanks for all MervinVillarreal (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Torani

Actually I waorked in IT company and i am working on torani website.The company name is not Torani. its R. Torre & Company, Inc. . you can see on internet also. u can can this link http://toranistore.com/products/syrup
the bottom footer part the copyright section with the corrdect company name. its just the webiste is called torani.. Abhinavname (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't dispute that, it's just that the way you have made the change is incorrect and has lost the page history necessary to credit all the previous editors. NtheP (talk) 17:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Scandale Beck

Thank you for your update on the hydroelectric scheme for Scandale Beck. I created this article because this beck has a Packhorse bridge over it, but as sometimes happens, I found myself pursuing questions like the hydro scheme, and an inline citation for lake Windermere. I am not enthusiastic about the source for the lake being the largest natural lake in England that now is in the lake article, so I am not including it in the Scandale Beck article. Now that there are four inline citations, I can change the templates to class=start and add WikiProject Energy, too. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Agreed it's probably a start by now. I've been looking for a source about Windermere but like you haven't found a suitable one yet. NtheP (talk) 22:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps there is a good source for Windermere in a book? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Google book search comes up with plenty e.g, some early 19th century books that make the statement but I haven't found anything really top notch like a government document from DEFRA or Natural England. The best I've found is a bit of a throwaway in a National Park document http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/168993/2011_02_24_the_windermere_management_strategy_2011_annex_2.pdf NtheP (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Please take a look at Haweswater Beck, River Kennett in Suffolk, and Potton Brook. I created all of these because they are in the Packhorse bridge list, and I admit that every one was a fair amount of work. There are more that I would like to have, but I am not ready just yet for the effort. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2012 (UTC)