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You recent vandalism

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Barelvi. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Coercorash^TalkContr. 06:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hilarious! You go put in ludicrous POV statements disparaging other sects and referring to yours as "orthodox", and then pout and accuse others of vandalism when multiple neutral editors revert your work! MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

A request!

Sir,

if you want to start an edit war than you should know that you are not welcome.As per the content which is added and citated by me,which you think is biased,than you should know that the citations i given are considered as the greatest books of sunni islam in modern time.(wahabi-deobandi copy-paste fatawa from these and use as source,i know cause i'm ex-deobandi.)

Second thing,according to you(and wahabis),wahabi is a degradory term,because they don't use that and use salafi,that's why it's allowed,because followers of wahabism want that.This formula doesnt apply to -majority of people who identifie themselves as Muslim-;Sunni who are called barelvi even if they identifie themselve almost usually as Sunni.(This hypocrity is called as double standard!) Atleast,,,now you accept that wikipedia articles should be neutral,it mean we must remove the wahabi PoV on every article.(this may make you unhappy!LOL!)

Third thing,barelvi is not a sect but a wahabis made it,,,it's ahle sunnah......The orthodox ahle sunnah.If you think it PoV Than i can prove it dude!

Coercorash^TalkContr. 11:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Please stop the vandalism!

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Barelvi, you may be blocked from editing. Coercorash^TalkContr. 11:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Please stop the vandalism

The works of Shaikh Mir Asedullah Quadri were highly acclaimed by Shaikh Deedat which he has referred to in his letters he wrote to the Shaikh from South Africa. This is totally an independent source.

Please see the scan copies of these letters placed on the following location. These are independent sources. These letters were written by Shaikh Deedat long before CIFIA came into existence. And, IPCI is not part of CIFIA even now. It is an independent Organization and the Head of the Organization Shaikh Deedat is recognizing the works of Shaikh. Please click the following and read the scan copies of these letters.

(1) http://www.cifiaonline.com/scan0003.tif (2) http://www.cifiaonline.com/scan0002.tif (3) http://www.cifiaonline.com/scan0004.tif (4) http://www.cifiaonline.com/scan0005.tif

See more reference on Internet.

(5) On Internet, Islamic Organizations feel it is prestige if their Website is listed on CIFIA. See this reference - http://www.sufi.co.za/

(6) Shaikh's Articles listed on this Arabic Website http://alsufia.org/showthread.php?p=73198

(7) http://www.shariaa.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-16375.html (Shaikh's Article discussed and appreciated on the above Forum which has several thousand members).

(8)Shaikh's Articles listed on this Arabic Website http://www.shariaa.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16375

(9) Shaikh's Articles on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=136808169673532

(10) Shaikh's Articles discussed on another forum on Internet Awliya-e-Hind.com - http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=13655.0

(11)Shaikh's Articles listed on the following Website http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Ahmed_Deedat::sub::Debates

(12) Shaikh Mir Asedullah Quadri on Facebook France http://fr-fr.facebook.com/pages/Shaikh-Mir-Asedullah-Quadri/146870918664650

(13)Correct Islamic Faith Group on Facebook. This was started by young Muslims. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=136808169673532&topic=266

(14) Another Website calling Shaikh's work as excellent. http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?p=13904

(15) Many of the Shaikh's Articles listed on this Blog http://omssislam.blogspot.com/2010_09_15_archive.html

(16) Many of Shaikhs Articles are listed and debated on this Forum which has over 15000 members http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php?topic=15038.0

(17)Even other sects appreciate Shaikh's work. See this website - http://sufism.bahaifaith.info/

(18)Shaikh Biography listed on this website http://reference.findtarget.com/search/Mir%20Asedullah%20Quadri/

(19)Cifia listed on this blog many many times. http://omssislam.blogspot.com/2010_09_18_archive.html

(20) The Forum with 15000 or more members discussing Shaikh's Articles http://kgn786.com/forum/index.php?topic=11133.0

(21) Shaikh's biography listed on this Website http://private-interest-foundation.info/news/Mir-Asedullah-Quadri.html

(22) Shaikh has a lot of respect among Ahle Sunnah, See bottom lines of this page on Internet. http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?p=29020

(23)Shaikh listed as Islamic Scholar - see this website http://www.ask.com/wiki/Islamic_Scholars

I hope the above should be sufficient for the time being. All these references will be provided on Shaikh Mir Asedullah Quadri's page. I will appreciate if you remove all tags from his Article.

Guide99 (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)--Guide99 (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hi MatthewVanita,

Just a note here, to inform you of actions.

After trying to establish calm here and User talk:Urduboy#Your dispute with Coercorash, and following the subsequent further edit by Coercorash (as noted in my warning at the end of that first link), I sadly believe it necessary to request temporary full protection for the article, and have done so here.

It's quite possible it will be the wrong version for a bit, but so be it - no deadline, etc.

I remain a neutral third-party, trying to resolve the problem as best I can.

I hope you'll understand, thanks,  Chzz  ►  21:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I replied; see User talk:Chzz#Suggestions as to how to proceed on Barelvi?. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  01:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I replied again, but I just moved the reply to my archives - forgive me; my talk page gets very busy...but also, I thought the links would be better here, anyway. I wrote that...

The solution to that one is to issue appropriate warnings (level 1,2,3) for 'adding unreferenced information', and then request that the user is blocked. See WP:WARN, Template:Uw-unsourced1, 2, 3.  Chzz  ►  08:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Do feel free to ask me again at any time...but also, I do encourage you to just give it a bit of time, to see if things work out...time being the great healer, there is no deadline, and all that. Best of luck; stick with it, but don't get frustrated; as long as you stay calm and stick to the procedures, things do work - just, they often take time. If you'd rather that I issue warnings (when appropriate), no problem, just ask me. And feel free to request furthher page protection, WP:RPP.  Chzz  ►  06:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

(reply)

Excellent; looks like a tiger well-stuffed. Chzz  ►  09:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I did actually reply inline on my talk, but it seemed churlish to say "I've replied, see xxx" when the reply itself was shorter than the subsequent talkback message. A space-saver that, I realise, I have now negated with this comment. Such is life.  Chzz  ►  09:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: File:ItaloAbyssinianWarpainting.JPG

Hi, I just noticed this image you contributed to Wikipedia. First off, it's a very nice image, & definitely enriches Wikipedia. Do you have any further information about this painting? It is in the traditional Ethiopian style, & it would be nice to be able to attach an artist's name & date to it. (FWIW, if it was created in Ethiopia, then because Ethiopia is not a signatory to the international copyright agreements it is effectively in the public domain.) Thanks in advance, -- llywrch (talk) 15:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

See before accusing

I didn't added honorifics,i just removed irrevelent categories via editing external links.I only edited "external links" section and nothing else.Someone other added that much before my edit. I think Coercorash was right,you and Urduboy accuse the one who don't agree with your PoV.Even if it's irrevelent.

_Contribs Muslim Editor ^Talk 16:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Shirazis

FYI, I created a stub page for Shirazi (ethnic group). It seems they are not Shia but interesting history nonetheless! --Urduboy (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:Sunni Tehreek issue

I only edited external links that's why i didn't removed honorific terms.I called you PoV Urduboy misunderstand me and said you to accuse me of adding terms.Cause i supported Coercorash on Talk:Barelvi.

_Contribs Muslim Editor ^Talk 00:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Barelvi userspace

Hey Im not sure if it's the right place to put it but I have been leaving comments on the User talk:MatthewVanitas/Barelvi draft page. Will be back with more detailed edits soon. --Urduboy (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Kilometer 7

Hi, slight problem here - the article includes image Trinchera.jpg but there is a Wikipedia file of this name as well as the Commons file that is the one wanted. One or other needs to be moved/re-uploaded. The Commons file is the newer upload so technically that is the one that should be changed but as it's used on the Spanish wiki it might be easier to get the wiki file changed, so I've requested a file rename for the wiki image. NtheP (talk) 08:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorted :-) NtheP (talk) 11:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:Lead

Quick note Matthew - the guideline is at WP:Lead rather than 'lede.' Please excuse my impertinence for quietly advising you of this. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Portuguese inventor of "MURUS"

Hello! I was very fond to notice that you´ve translated the introdutory section of a portuguese Wiki article I´ve created. I would like to know your reasons to be interested and if you intend to go on with translating the whole of it, in witch case I propose myself to cooperate with you. Thank you very much! my best regards.Quiiiz (talk) 02:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello again! Yes, maybe I will translate it and surely will apreciate some cleanup, english is not my fist language.

I´m not going to do it in just one time, as now I´m "on the case" on something else, but maybe we could set something like: everytime I work on it, I could notify you and you could put the page in your watchlist, in case I forget to notify. Deal?

Are you English, or from other english speaking country? Do you speak/read portuguese fluently? See you next!Quiiiz (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I'm now working in translating and I wonder if I can use portuguese Bibliography in english Wiki. And if the answer is yes, please confirm if I should "fac-simile" it or translate parts of it.

Please answer when you can. Thank you very much! my best regardsQuiiiz (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Revert at Barelvi

Hi Mr Mathew The reason to revert the Barelvi article is that the references you've provided do not portray the right perception of Barelvi :) i provided the references from Quran the Holy Book and Hadith my references had all the contents to support the beliefs and practices section :) how do you justify your references by googling the things ? any refenerece which is cited there should be from Quran and Hadith :), thats not justified you got to have knowledge to amend that article that is not complete and we have to collect the right information for it don't just ruin it if you're honestly trying to complete that article :) now you've reverted it back to your version of that article i'd like you to have a look at the previous version of it if theres any problem in that contact me i'll explain it Thanks (Ahmad Shah Bukhari (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

Agree Mr. Bukhari

I agree.Mr. Matthew should see guidelines on references on Islamic articles,in which it said that references from Quraan & Hadiths are preferable. But before it,he must see guidelines on neutrality.

Coercorash^TalkContr. 13:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

@Coercorash : Have you even read the guidelines for Islamic articles? Here is the link: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)#Qur.27an_and_Hadith. It says:

The Qur'an and the Hadith are considered to be primary sources, as defined in WP:NOR. Therefore they should not be quoted to make an argument or imply a particular interpretation unless one can also cite a reliable secondary source that supports that usage. Editors can not use primary sources to make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims. But it's good idea to add Qur'an and Hadith to clarify the issue.

That means do not reference Quran or Hadith unless you also have a reliable secondary source also. For some reason you are having a hard time understanding WP:NOR and WP:SECONDARY. Please read them and try to understand what they mean before making mass edits. --Urduboy (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Ofcourse the sources from Quraan and Ahadith are better than pagan sources which are without any secondary source.That's what i mean.

Coercorash^TalkContr. 18:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No, quotes from the Quran and hadith are not "better than pagan sources", and nobody except you is suggesting using primary sources instead of secondary. The point is that you, Coercorash, are not a recognised authority on Quranic exegesis, so your opinion as to what various portions of the Quran and hadith mean for the Barelvi is simply not relevant to Wikipedia. What is relevant is what recognised, reputable secondary sources have to say about how those apply to the Barelvi issue. Performing your own Quranic exegesis on Wikipedia is basically the definition of WP:OR or self-publishing. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• Ok I got it what you're trying to say i'd like to contribute to that draft version of the article and i'd provide references from Quran, Hadith and Secondary reliable sources to support all my references hope that should be ok with you lemme know (Ahmad Shah Bukhari (talk) 08:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC))

Re. Barelvi

Hi there. Just a quick note, at the moment, to let you know - I certainly have not forgotten about this issue; in fact, I've done quite a bit, behind the scenes, to work how to best resolve things. The protection I requested was my first action - to protect the project from direct disruption; and with that measure in place, I have breathing-room to work out what else we can do.

To give fair consideration, I need to carefully check some past edits,which is why I have not responded yet; but I want to assure you that once I have had the time to give due consideration, I will take appropriate action—the "{{doing}}" is genuine, and I will respond further. Meanwhile, I encourage calm discussion, and for any problems, remember it is just a few words on talk pages - the article is 'safe' - and we can try to ignore inappropriate things on talk pages. If any warnings or blocks are helpful to improve wikipedia - as blocks are never punitive - well, that can be evaluated, ASAP but not quite immediately, given the complex nature of the issues. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  08:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

So, the protection has expired again - but, I did see at least some useful debate going on; for now, I don't think any other action is required. If anything else happens though, feel free to let me know. I hope this problem can be resolved. If it continues, I suggest the mediation cabal.  Chzz  ►  21:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Category:Neighborhoods of Kabul

Oh, I so knew that. My geography teacher would kill me right now. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Highlands of Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania

Hi, I saw that you added the category Ecoregions of the United States to the page Highlands of Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania. I removed that category because it didn't have any other pages in that category, and also because it was deleted before. If you were trying to start that category, please let me know. I would like to help with that. Thanks! いただき (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... Giving me the slient treatment... I see how it is. Well, whenever you feel like answering, I'll be waiting, even if it's just a no. いただき (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Kapu (caste)

I requetsed the Users to edit the article several times. Unsubstantiated claims, hype and imaginary glory abound in the article. Controversial matters such as Chola descent, affiliation of Krishnadevaaraya, Thanjavur nayaks, Kattabomman etc need to be supported by solid proof. "Naidu" is often confused to be a caste, similar to that of "Reddy". These were titles prevalent in many other groups. Users are requested to be objective, historical and dispassionate. Users should give references as MathewVanitas indicated.Kumarrao (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Barelvi

Did you mean to remove the interwiki link or were you thinking of something else? Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 19:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Coptic militias

Hi there, There are no known coptic militias in contemporary history of Egypt. Perhaps you might find something during the first half of the 20th century, but that would be only a part of the many other militias which fought against the British occupation of Egypt. The real Coptic militia would be found back in the 8th century, they were called the "Bashmuor" people and they fought for so long against the Arab/Muslim conquest of Egypt in the guerrilla style. I remember they even had their own territory for a while. I am not sure about the English spelling given above, and not sure about whether you will find lots of sources in English; i might try to help you with this later on with Arabic sources [if you wish], which are not too many also. ... . Good luck, Maysara (talk) 13:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Robert Hillberg

The article Robert Hillberg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

not notable per WP:NOTABLE and WP:MILMOS/N

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Anotherclown (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

pickled carrots or carrot salsa?

RE: your recent edit over on Salsa

In the southwest, the taco shops mostly always have carrot salsa, or relish, or pickled carrots. Carrot salsa is typically lightly cooked. Manufacturers have themselves interpreted tomato salsa as "cooked" (canned) versus "fresh" (refrigerated), yet they're still both called "salsa". Typically the carrot salsa side dish includes carrots, onions, and jalapeno, typically is seasoned with garlic and a peppercorn or two, and is a rather common Mexican dish. Some food writers group salsa, relish, and pickled goods in the same categories, as it is rather hard upon process examination to distinguish each as unique from the other.

http://www.google.com/search?&hl=en&safe=off&q=carrot+jalapeno+salsa&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= http://www.google.com/search?&hl=en&safe=off&q=+salsa+vs+pickling&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

So, I think you'll find that some say tomato, others tomatoe, and similarly a pickled tomato or carrot some call a relish others call a salsa. By similarity of preservation processes it's hard if not impossible to distinguish among them. Gzuufy (talk) 23:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's a book that could meet wikipedia's verifiability standard (reference) for the phrase "carrot salsa", though this particular version lacks the jalapeno. Gzuufy (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• In Mexico, salsa is typically some sort of dipping sauce for tacos. The simplest and most common is fresh diced tomato and onion with some oil and vinegar, and often with fresh chili pepper of some sort. Diced or pureed avocado (guacamole) is common too, with or without chili. There are many variants, some cooked and/or pureed. I would guess that southwest US usage carries over the Mexican meaning, which is quite broad. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Less-lethal launchers

Category:Less-lethal launchers, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcus Qwertyus 23:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Guamanian musical instruments

Category:Guamanian musical instruments, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Bargujar

Hi, some user always try to put links which are not reliable for wikipedia such as yahoo.answers and some personal websites. request you to add this aarticle in your watch list.cheers Mkrestin (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Tara Singh Malhotra

I noticed the speedy request on this one a while ago, and have no problem with it. Looking at the history, it seems that the article got moved from Tara Singh to Master Tara Singh in 2005, probably to distinguish from the other Tara Singhs. I probably created the redirect when tidying up after starting Tara Singh Ramgarhia. I agree that this is the better title - honorifics do not belong - so have no problem with the redirect being deleted and then the Master Tara Singh article moved to it. Any reason why the speedy is taking so long to get done? Aymatth2 (talk) 21:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on Tafsir

Good idea. I'll try to give deatils of my edit today.KutluBoga (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC) Done. Check out the tafsir discussion. --KutluBoga (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

"Dynasties of Afghanistan"

Hi. I just noticed that you have created the category "Dynasties of Afghanistan". I have to object, because the title is very misleading. Afghanistan as a nation-state came to existence in 1747 (actually in 1919). Claiming any dynasties of the past as "Dynasties of Afghanistan" is wrong and not scholarly. It's like claiming that the dynasty founded by Genghis Khan was a "dynasty of Russia" or that the Ottoman Empire was a "dynasty of Austria and Hungary". While in fact Genghis ruled in what is now Russia and the Ottomans ruled what is now Austria and Hungary for many decades, both are NEITHER regarded as a "dynasty of Russia" or a "dynasty of Austria", etc. I think that the whole category is useless and misleading. Tajik (talk) 03:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I do not think that "Bengal" or "India" or good examples. Because "Bengal" is rather a general geographic term, so is "India" (like "America", which is commonly used as a synonym for "USA", but actually covers a whole continent). "Afghanistan", on the other hand, a purely political expression. In pre-modern era, it was a loose expression for a relatively small area inhabited by "Afghans" (= modern Pashtuns), located somewhere between the Hindukush and the Indus River, largely centered around the Suleyman Mts. in modern Pakistan. In my view, the category is misleading (actually, I am against all categories in Wikipedia). Regards. Tajik (talk) 15:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Less-lethal launchers

Category:Less-lethal launchers, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcus Qwertyus 02:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jewish American military history

This is for you, because you started the article. It's quite something now, isn't it? --La comadreja _{formerly AFriedman} RESEARCH (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

criticism of twelevr shiism

i do not understand what this whole issue with using sunni scholars in the article is about. since you seem knowledgeable with wiki policy i would like to ask u this...are we allowed to use what a sunni scholar has said in his book that criticiises the twelvers? some people seem to be suggesting that you can only use this sunni scholars quote as long as it is being mentioned by another source. like say sunni scholar says XYZ about shia in his book. can i add this to the article or must it be sourced as a scholasr says that a certain other sunni scholar criticises twlevers on XYZ?thanks.Suenahrme (talk) 01:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

َAFD discussion

Hello friend. I realized that you left the discussion here. Is that due to my misunderstanding of the word Major? If yes, I apologized you there in my comment, and I am doing here as-well. Hope you haven't been offended because I didn't have any intention. Any way, your future comment as an directly involved user can be very helpful. Thank you in advance.--Aliwiki (talk) 13:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

ANI-Notice: Move drive

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Move drive by you. Thank you. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 02:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

A note

My apologies for raising an ANI, it seemed best option to me. Regarding Shia discussion, I have posted my comments there at project discussion page, its nothing new just same repetition of what I said at 'Shia Islam' talk page with little tweaking and expansion. BTW, Someone65 got blocked for a week or so, may be we will have to wait for further comments by him/her (S/He already made a comment before getting blocked). Thanks for you work specially with the Criticism artcile now it looks much balanced but it seems Afd is still open for it, as I was one who proposed Afd can I do anything to get it closed? From coming Friday I'll be not very much active till start of next year and may miss my watchlist update, plz feel free to drop a note at my talk page if you want (or raise an ANI and level the score ;), kidding). --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 05:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to your efforts at criticsm article. I'll try to contribute to the article but as of now I have other priorities (both on WP & real life). Plz let me know if I made nay inappropriate or POV statemennt during discussion, I usually try to have NPOV stand but sometimes even for most enlightened ones also emotions override & I'm just a norma being, your comment may help to improve me. Thnaks. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 12:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of Shia

Hi again friend. I read your comment on the admin talk page, and I want to change my opinion about deletion. You are right that a western should know why for example Sunni's in Pakistan have such behavior to minorities of Shia. Just there is one point that I hope you, as a neutral expert editor consider it. Criticism has two aspects, while it reports X opinion about Y, it must provide space for Y answers to X. My only negative point is that there shouldn't be discrimination, for example if something is reported, there should be answer for it. Now I want to use the great opportunity of you presence to improve the article together. If you agree to collaborate for improving the article, please inform me. I can help to add lots of new matters to the article with good sources. thank you. --Aliwiki (talk) 13:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your comment. In both AFD and admin page, I voted to keep. Maybe my behavior in the past days has made you to consider me as a belligerent editor, but I am ensuring you I am not, and I will prove this in the incoming days. I will make a new section on the article talk page, and hope to see you there.--Aliwiki (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Matthew, I have listed almost all of the ongoing criticism topic in this half-sphere of the world and I gave a suggestion about article name. I know some of these topics don't worth to be discussed (I just wrote them to have a complete list) while discussion of others can be very informative. I just need to know your opinion as a western user, which topics are worthy to be included in the article, and that if you know something more to be added. Thanks.--Aliwiki (talk) 22:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Mathew - Need some help

Hi Mathew Vanitas,

Firstly, I am a great admirer of the Wikipedia site and the work that you guys as administrators do! I was just reading your page of issues you handle and I must say that I really admire the kind of detail you guys check in posts to help keeping the Wikipedia page neat! Kudos to you all on this!

I just wanted to quickly chat with you about the problem we have with the Shaikh Aseduallah Quadri post by guide99. I guess there has been some problem about the authenticity of the article and I just read the (war page:)) between the admin group and guide99.

I also think you guys suspect that me and guide99 are the same person. Well, your doubts are valid. I just wanted to clarify that we are definably not the same person. I have been following Wikipedia for a very long time and I just signed up to register my account here.

I know the Shaikh personally and I admire his capabilities and used to follow this page on Wikipedia for all the articles guide99 used to update (am sure you can check the history of my ip address or so). I was really surprised to see that this page was called not authentic, and hence, I reached out to guide99 recently in a social gathering and spoke about this. He told me about the issues you guys have with the authenticity part of the article and you needed references. Which is why, I edited the page - but I am guessing the edited information was not convincing enough.

I am very certain that you want to help us,Which is why I am reaching out to you sincerely. Could you please tell me what are the problems with the references I gave in my edit and what more references you would need. I would love to help you to have this post online.

Please know that Shaikh Asedullah Quadri is extremely popular in India and have a lot of followers on Wikipedia for articles on him. I speak on behalf of all his fans and it would be great if you could help me fix this issue.

Looking forward for your help and guidance here.

Thanks! Mikebauer (talk) 06:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikebauer (talk • contribs) 06:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

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Assistance requested

Hi MatthewVanitas
Can you help .
I have been given five warnings by a user called Sikh-history who is also an admin on my talk page . The four warnings are

• 22 November Sikh-history,

25 November Sikh-history , 21 December Sikh-history , 26 December Sikh-history , 26 December Sikh-history ,

• These warnings are in addition to warnings placed on three other pages Talk:Kutha meat ,Talk:Matharu ,User talk:Sikh-history
• I have been specifically pointing out disingenuous content and references inserted by user sikh-history , which I find really odd considering he is a admin . But instead of cogently responding to why he has repeatedly added phony content , references ...he either chucks wikipedia warnings at me attributes reinstating bad content on mistakes . Frankly the trend is becoming too large too ignore and over many articles . I have not deleted any content from any paage or edit warred , simply questioned him on odd edits . Take a look at the pages where I engaged him .
  
• Talk:Khatri#16 November 2010
• Talk:Matharu#Very odd content on this talk page he even deletes my response and issues me a warning
• Talk:Kutha meat where he had added scores of false content and references from blogs . Iam not finished with that discussion because there are many more glaring incosistancies .
  

In the circumstances , is this legitimate behaviour on the part of a admin . What should my response be ??... desist from asking an admin why so many of his edits are seeming so phony ? . I am quiet sure Wikipedia policies are designed to protect misuse by both normal editors and admins . In this case the edit trend of user Sikh-history over many many articles is glaring . Would appreciate your advice .Intothefire (talk) 14:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

OK that's it, at first I thought it was funny, this is going too far Intothefire. I have warned you several times about this behaviour and harassing other editors as well.--Sikh-History 22:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

RE: User Into The Fires WP:Wikistalking and WP:Harassment

I notice User:Intothefire is now talking to you. Do you realise this editor has a history of WP:Wikistalking and pointed out here and many other occasions. He is currently trying to WP:Canvass, so are you joining in with him? If you are I intend to report him and any other editors involved in this behaviour. He clearly has a gripe with me since I added information about Sacrifice in the Hinduism article and other editors agreed with me. He has since then been WP:Wikilawyering and other behaviour. Also a heads up on what you said here, when you accuse another editor of being the alt of a persistent vandal without actually filing a report and putting it on discussion pages, then that is not a proper discussion. User User:Intothefire clearly has done this here. If you are not then I apologise in advance. Best Wishes --Sikh-History 22:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou

Hi MatthewVanitas
Thankyou for your response.
I believe that the greatness of Wikipedia wrests from the process that enables bringing forth multitude of viewpoints, (even for the seemingly insignificant page) on any subject, no matter how contradictory. Collaboration has to stand on fair play of process .Only the fair privilege enjoyed by my counterpoint editor, can justify the rational of my privilege to fairly edit.
But does a platform that grants me freedom to use, also tolerate my freedom to abuse the same system. I do not believe this freedom to destruct a system should not be available automatically to those that enjoy its usage.
And then who is to judge? . I recognize that my edit contributions may be anathema to another. But my contribution (properly sourced) and respect to accept anothers content (properly sourced) is certainly going to enrich the continuing dialogue. Both on the page and on the talk page . .
I deeply appreciate the work of editors such as yourself, who work on cleaning content because in the end , the page needs to be encyclopedic .

Too often fake references, non English content mistranslated, reinstating bad versions, or better Wikipedia technical skills enable users to browbeat other users . I am also learning to improve my contribution to Wikipedia , both with regard to adherence to the spirit of the rules and engagement with other editors .Thanks for helping out and wish you a happy new year

Regards
Intothefire (talk) 07:05, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Matthew Vanitas.I am going to try to write the Rajput article in chronological order.All the material is going to be used from foreign accounts that can be verified.I have read Col. James Tod,s annals and antiquities of Rajasthan. Greek, Roman and Chinese material is available on a website " Project South Asia".I can answer all your questions without any problem.I will write it on the talk page first before moving to the main Rajput page.Thanks.Rajbaz (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Dr. Alexandra Gladstone Mystery

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speedy / wiktionary

anything copied from the Catholic encyclopedia that looks like only a definition can generally be expanded from the test there into an article. I did so. DGG ( talk ) 06:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Iranians and prostitution

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gavel

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Hi Matthew. Thank you for your valuable suggestions.All the information that i have used so far is from Col. James Tod,s "Annals And Antiquities of Rajasthan" and Megasthene,s "Indika".Before i finish i will provide all the relevant sources according to the requirments Wiki policies.The reason i am using the talk page to write this article is so that editors and visitors can see what i am writing and if anyone disagrees and can prove me wrong then will amend it.Thank you.Rajbaz (talk) 12:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Hassan Saeed and Abdulla Saeed

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Cats in Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways‎

Hi

The KGK did not simply work on railways in Gurjar, they worked on the whole of the Indian railway system. There contributions ranged across most of the east, north and west but reached as far as Ceylon. - that is why I used the India category rather than Gurjar, Kachchh or a category for each of the states the worked in.

I do appreciate your comments on the "bridges" categories etc. as I realise that it could be argued that as the article title is KGK and Railways in India the cats could be limited to that. However as the article is a detailed history of the construction of these and covers a wide area and the whole of the history of Indian railways from 1856 I felt that those categories should be included as anyone searching for "railway bridge construction in India", or similar, should benefit from the cat. addition. It is unlikely that a separate page would be created for each bridge or series of bridges at this time.

I referred to Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing_pages during the cats process which states that "Each article should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs." and I feel that you have removed cats which were pertinent.

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

So basically you are restating the comments you put in the edit summary, add nothing new and cannot consider the possibility that the categories should not have been removed.

I would like you to consider this from the Wikipedia:Categorization FAQ-

A category is probably inappropriate if the answer to the following questions is "no"

• Is it possible to write a few paragraphs or more on the subject of a category, explaining it
• If you go to the article from the category, will it be obvious why it's there? Is the category subject prominently discussed in the article.

As you can see there many paragraphs detailing the bridges and railway lines constructed.

Chaosdruid (talk) 05:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)