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Holland Land Company
[edit]This summer, you began a substantial rewrite of the article on the Holland Land Company. I recently overhauled the article on my own initiative, incorporating more books and journals which I had access to. I invite you to review what I wrote to make sure your earlier contributions were preserved. Make corrections as you see fit. Kodak03 (talk) 18:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. The page is improving but there is still more work to balance the article.
- I've cowritten an article about Paul Busti and his origins in Milan that will be published this summer. Detailing the main actors will help in improving the Holland Land Company article. Currently the article neglects the range of investments held by the Holland Land Company and overseen by Paul Busti. The article currently details the Holland Land Purchase in Western New York, but neglects the other tracts in central New York and western Pennsylvania, plus canal and stock company investments, etc.
- The main reference remains Paul D. Evan's Holland Land Company published almost a hundred years ago.
- Extending the discussion of the Holland Land Company and the Seneca Nation seems like it deserves a separate article itself (history of the Seneca lands and the State of New York?). The history from the Holland Land Company literature is generally patronizing. There is 150 years of history not included in the article about the Seneca Nation -- there doesn't seem to be sufficient scholarly accounts of this important part of their story. The Hauptman article helps but is only one small piece of that story. The histories printed by the Buffalo Historical Society a century ago are suspect and need careful review. Johneverettjones (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the sources I had available had little to say about the company's lands outside of Western New York, or its other investments.
- I agree that the Ogden Land Company should be split off into its own article eventually, but it was the first part of the research I did and what I wrote did not feel like enough for a new article at the time. The company's land sales were not of much historical significance but the lawsuits it was party to are very important in American legal history. The history of the Seneca lands needs an overhaul, being currently dispersed across many articles with a lot of overlap.
- I also agree the Buffalo Historical Society piece is not the best source and I have only cited it for some technical details on the Holland Land Company that I did not find in other sources, such as the mention of LeRoy as a trustee. Many of its statements on the Ogden Land Company were repeated in the debates over the company in the Congressional Record, but I will remove some claims that are not. Kodak03 (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- The work of Paul D. Evans (his doctoral thesis) remains a reliable and well researched source. Although its publication by the Buffalo Historical Society did involve some editorial censorship, it appears to have been minor. Likewise, Orsamus Turner's works on the Holland Land Company (1859) remains reliable and useful.
- It is the pro-Ellicott works in the Buffalo Historical Society publications that are in question, damaged by a family interest in promoting Joseph Ellicott and a nativist denial of the importance of the Dutch investors or the Agent General (C.O.O.) Paul Busti. Johneverettjones (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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bonadea contributions talk 20:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Your submission at Articles for creation: Storum family (August 29)
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- This is not my first article and I have been through this before and appreciate the rigor of the process. However, I challenge the disqualification of this article by the reviewer.
- The discrimination against women and of African Americans and the superimposition of individuals rather than collective groups distort American history. This legacy is evident in the requirements of Wikipedia and impedes the inclusion of historically significant actors. The commentary of the reviewer follows this imposed order.
- WP:NBIO: Neither the husband (William Storum) nor the wife (Sarah Gomer Storum) acted independently in their causes, but together their work is significant and illustrative of African American history of this period. Frederick Douglass refers to both of them together (the Storum family) rather than as individuals. So, in this case, I think it is historically inaccurate to impose the requirement of the the individual biography rather than the collective description of the family. That is why I elected to eschew the normal individual-based article. It doesn't fit here, but that doesn't imply that the family was not siginficant and worthy of a reference in Wikipedia.
- WP:NOTGENEALOGY: Family connections are essential in understanding the Storum's role in the underground railroad and their generational work in human rights movements. I have made edits to explain that the family in Warren likely connected to the family in Busti along the route of the fleeing enslaved African Americans in the 1850s. "It is likely that the Samuel Storum family were part of the route along the underground railroad that connected to William and Sarah Storum's farm in Busti, New York, a distance of about twenty miles (30 km). Their participation, however, is not yet corroborated." The essential involvement of free African American in the underground railroad is a NOTABLE topic.
- QUALIFIES FOR A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE: In my experience, the first two (1, 2) references are sufficient for meeting the Wikipedia requirement of "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent." The remaining ten (3-12) references also meet the standards in general and especially when compared to Wikipedia articles permitted for contemporary individuals. It is a double standard that discriminates against women and people of color of the past. The inclusion of primary sources from Frederick Douglass and J.W. Loguen provide important background information that will be useful to the reader. Johneverettjones (talk) 14:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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