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Close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Espu Kola

Hi, is it possible to re-open this discussion? I don't think either the nomination nor the keep !votes engaged with the essential issue here, which is that this place quite possibly does not exist as an actual community. The reason being that Iran counts its census at locations called Abadi. These are simply census-taking locations, and need not correspond to actual villages/towns, and are essentially the Iranian version of census tracts (something explicitly excluded by WP:GEOLAND). Carlossuarez46 went through the 2006 Iranian census making these articles at an incredible fast rate, without bothering to check whether these places actually existed as anything more than a census-taking location. Many of them were obviously wells, pumps, farms, shops, bridges etc. based simply on their names. For example, on the day he created this article, he created at least 445 other articles also about Iranian "villages" (I say "at least" because at least 20,000 of the articles they created have since been deleted and the deleted articles won't show up in this search). FOARP (talk) 13:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@FOARP: I've never reopened a deletion discussion before, and the original discussion (whether it violates GNG) has indeed been concluded. I figure that starting a new AfD, or bringing the article to DRV would be in order here. If I'm missing something here, and reopening deletion discussions is common practice, please let me know. JJP_Master (she/they) 18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

This wouldn't be a DRV case because this isn't an issue with your interpretation of the consensus in the discussion itself, which was correct. Deletion discussions can definitely be re-opened simply by reverting the close and inserting the entry linking to the discussion back in to that day's log page - the closer is allowed to reverse their close if they so choose (but obviously not too long after the close). I would open a new AFD but people tend not to like opening a new AFD right after one has closed - looks like not accepting the consensus - however I can do it if you prefer. FOARP (talk) 18:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@FOARP: Alright, I have undone the close. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Espu Kola. JJP_Master (she/they) 18:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks JJP. There's a good chance no-one will respond but it's worth giving it a shot. FOARP (talk) 20:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

About the IP and the gentleman's agreement

Yeah, apparently, they were on to something. CoPilot found a few articles on The Gentleman's Agreement. [1] [2] [3]

It supposedly ended in 2004, though. But hey, I learned something! CyanoTex (talk) 02:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE Starid (talk) 15:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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NewPage Patrol Backlog - Help!

Hi, I was really excited to see my page get approved by AfC, however it has been waiting in new-page-patrol for 11 days… there is quite a large backlog. I wonder if you’d consider approving it - or at least flagging the backlog in new-page-patrol to the right administrators. - CC ScotsOats (talk) 17:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@ScotsOats:  Done. And as for the backlog, we have a drive coming up in January to deal with that. JJP_Master (she/they) 17:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! ScotsOats (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Chendahewa (15:59, 29 November 2024)

HI I want to create a new wikipedia article. Can you guide me on this? --Chendahewa (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I recommend reading Help:Your first article, but I'll summarize what you have to know here. Firstly, you should make sure that your article's subject is notable as Wikipedia uses that term—that is to say, if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. You should make sure that any sources you use are reliable, so you can't use tabloids, blogs, other wikis, or Wikipedia itself, to verify the contents of your article. After you've done that, you can check out the Article wizard and follow the instructions there. JJP_Master (she/they) 16:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I see your Huggle's YouTube video. Nice to meet you! :-) Vitorperrut555 (talk) 19:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Nice to meet you! Nice Linux you have on YouTube! ;) Vitorperrut555 (talk) 19:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

JJPMachine

Hello JJPMaster, the username of your bot account violates WP:BOTACC. Please have the account renamed to something that clearly identifies it as a bot. You can tell me the new username here, and I can rename it for you, or you can request the change through the username venues. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Although it's not approved and running yet, you filed a BRFA, so if you plan to run this in the future, this should be helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

DreamRimmer, sorry about that. I must have thought that "Machine" would be clear enough for that policy's sake, but it appears I was mistaken. I think "JJPMaster (bot)" would be the clearest alternative. — JJP_Master (she/they) 15:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Just to confirm, would you like me to rename it to JJPMaster (bot)? – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

DreamRimmer, correct. — JJP_Master (she/they) 15:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Renamed. Thanks for your kind response and confirmation. – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Isiko Muhammad El (18:50, 6 December 2024)

Hi,

I recently started the journey to my roots with the help of AfricanAncestry.com who certified the paternal lineage in my DNA to be in Burkina Faso and of the Bissa ethnic group. I am a Mass Communication - Radio, TV, and Film (major)/ Journalism (minor) and I work in my field of study. I am going to tell my family's story and I need some direction on where to start. I have me (Point A), and I have this DNA information leading to Burkina Faso and possibly an actual Family Reunion with the person/ people who are my family in Burkina Faso walking around with the "same" DNA as me (Point Z). I want to get from Point A to Point Z. Can you help me? --Isiko Muhammad El (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Isiko Muhammad El: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, I do not believe that your idea would be a good fit for Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a family genealogy website. However, there are plenty of websites where you can do this, such as Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, and FamilySearch. I suggest that you head there for any genealogy needs. Thank you! JJP_Master (she/they) 18:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

I understand. I came here because much of my geographical and general cultural research information will most likely come from Wikipedia. The genealogy aspects of this journey will start with whatever information my dad and uncles have which I will use to build as much of the family tree as possible opening up that many options for tracing. I came to Wikipedia because some of the finest researchers are found right here and my family and I - being that we are African Americans - do not have too many resources that we can tap to help get the ball rolling outside of the sources you have named. While we already have several profiles on Ancestry.com, none of them have produced any ripe fruit yet and it's been years that we've had these accounts. Now that we have a certified root in the ground in Africa, we have a destination. I plan to produce a journalistic piece from myself back to Africa, a story that is pretty dynamic.

What I am looking for help with is how these stories are built and how to include sources, such as those found on Wikipedia.

I hope what's in my mind is coming out on this form in a way that conveys what I need... Isiko Muhammad El (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Isiko Muhammad El: If you are interested in learning how to use Wikipedia as a source, I suggest reading Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. You could also ask for help on the reference desk, which is our place for asking general questions. However, my job is mainly to help people in editing Wikipedia, not reading it, so I may not be the best of help here. JJP_Master (she/they) 03:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki issue

Hi! Sorry for the mass rollback, but I was worried someone would delete them all and put us in a situation that's kind of tedious to reverse. So, when you imported these pages to Wikibooks, you only imported the most recent revision. Currently, that meets the attribution requirements for CC BY-SA 4.0 because there's a link to the original enwiki page on each. But, if the enwiki page is deleted, that attribution is no longer valid, and now Wikibooks is violating copyrights. Is there a reason you can't import the full page history? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 07:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I'm working on this right now. There's currently a bug on enwikibooks where ticking the "Import as subpages of the following page" box doesn't work, and instead copies them to the Transwiki namespace. Since I'm in the equivalent of EggRoll97's situation (non-admin transwiki importer), I couldn't perform a history merge to fix the outcome of the mass importation, and have had to make a request on our version of AN. JJP_Master (she/they) 11:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Thanks to the work of MarcGarver, this problem has now been resolved. The pages can be safely deleted. JJP_Master (she/they) 14:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Should all be done now. First time using D-batch in ages so let me know if I broke the wiki. Note that Wikibooks pages usually aren't linked inline, so I've unbacklinked rather than interwiki-linking, but if there's a case where it's particularly useful, WP:MOSSIS isn't super-strict on it either, so as you will. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 17:59, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Trans wiki issue

Too many trans people amiright?

Sorry couldn't resist.

(This is a joke please no ArbCom.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 18:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I'm proud to be a trans²wiki importer on Wikibooks—that is, a transgender transwiki importer. JJP_Master (she/they) 15:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ecfactman (22:28, 20 December 2024)

Hi Junie,

I'm new to Wikipedia as a contributor. Yesterday I created an article in my 'sandbox' titled 'United States Horoscope'. It's the first article I've ever edited or contributed. When I finished it, I hit the 'Publish' button.

What will happen now? --Ecfactman (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ecfactman: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! When you pressed "Publish", it posted the content of your article to your sandbox. If you wish, you can use the Article wizard to submit it. However, I advise against doing this, as the article consists of original research and appears to presuppose the fringe theory of astrology. JJP_Master (she/they) 22:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I advise against doing this, as the article consists of original research and appears to presuppose the fringe theory of astrology. JJPMaster (she/they) 22:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Junie,

Thank you for your reply.

I would like to respond to each of your two objections.

1)

I don’t understand your proposition that the article is based upon ‘original research’ when there were 4 sources cited to support the fact that the United States legally came into being at 12:45 P.M. on June 21, 1788.

3 of them are official Government sources. The fourth is from the Boston University School of Law.

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/ATR2WPX6L3UFLH8I/pages/AWW44LLLVHYOYT85?as=text (See left hand page, paragraph 2)

https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2013/06/21/the-real-constitution-day/ (see paragraph 7)

https://www.loc.gov/collections/continental-congress-and-constitutional-convention-from-1774-to-1789/articles-and-essays/timeline/1787-to-1788/ (see 1788 marker and grey box on right hand side of the page next to it)

https://www.loc.gov/collections/continental-congress-and-constitutional-convention-from-1774-to-1789/articles-and-essays/timeline/1787-to-1788/ (see final paragraph of the PDF document)

I understand the reasons for, respect, and wholly support Wikipedia’s rigorous standards for facts in support of arguments put forth in articles. That is precisely why I included the sources that I did.

If you actually went to the sources and reviewed them, I don’t see how you could possibly conclude they are erroneous. That would effectively be telling the US Government it doesn’t know the true facts about its own origins.

2)

To say that the article should be rejected because it deals with ‘the fringe theory of astrology’, I have 2 things to say in response.

One:

I did a Google search with the term: Wikipedia astrologers. Many Wikipedia articles having to do with Astrology came up in the search results. Here is just one example: (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Astrologers)

So, obviously Wikipedia does not automatically reject an article merely because it deals with the subject of astrology. Neither do the Wikipedia articles I reviewed include a disclaimer or any type of caution message saying that ‘Astrology is a practice based upon ‘a fringe theory’.

Two:

More importantly, my article does not advocate for Astrology, it merely states that anyone who chooses to practice Astrology must be able to obtain reliably sourced accurate data upon which to do their calculations.

The whole point of the Article is to provide exactly that… reliably sourced accurate data regarding the true date, place, and time the United States of America began.

I’m trying to get a little known truth out there to counter the legally and factually false (and widespread) notion that the United States of America came into being on July 4, 1776. It did not.

Thank you for your time. In light of the above, I hope you will decide to remove your objections to the Article being published if I opt to do so. Ecfactman (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, the claim of original research is largely due to this section:

What happened on July 4, 1776 was that 13 rebellious British Colonies declared that they were going to break away from Britain and form a new nation.

The Declaration of Independence was NOT a legally binding document. It was merely a Declaration of Intent. The 13 rebellious colonies could have lost the war of rebellion (Revolutionary War). So, at best, the 'idea' of the United States came into being on July 4,1776, but not the actual nation.

The 'idea' is like a seed, a 'conception'. It is comparable, in human terms, of one's 'date of conception' - the date one's mother becomes pregnant. It is not the day/date one is physically born. In a biological pregnancy, lots of mishaps can happen between conception and the expected date of birth, mishaps which could disrupt or terminate the pregnancy. The same could be said about the period between the Declaration of Independence on July 4,1776 and Ratification of the US Constitution and the birth of the United States of America 12 years later on June 21,1788.

The sources you provide do not appear to support the idea that the Declaration of Independence didn't actually declare independence, or that countries are comparable to humans in terms of birth.

Second, articles about astrology are fine, otherwise, I wouldn't have linked astrology in my earlier message. But your article is not merely about astrology, it is asserting the truth of an astrological claim. On Wikipedia, astrology is generally considered pseudoscience, so we should not make claims that treat it as established fact, as your article appears to do. I advise that you post this on a subreddit such as r/AdvancedAstrology or a blog, since the article appears to be written for the sake of advocating a particular point of view rather than providing encyclopedic information. JJP_Master (she/they) 00:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not claim "The Declaration of Independece 'didn't actually declare Independence.'

A declaration of Independence is NOT the same as the estblishment of a new nation under a legally binding Constitution.

Did you actually read the sources.

You are treating this as if I am presenting 'personal views and personal opinions' rather tuan historical fact.

I am willing to rewrite the article and limit the scope of it to the real, factual, legally verified date of the beginning of the United States of America using the same 4 sources I presented..

If you continue to deny the article thereafter, I will appeal your decision because it would mean you are challenging the validity of those sources.

It seems this is a subject you are not sufficiently knowledgeable about. Ecfactman (talk) 18:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I would also like to add that there cannot be 2 dates for the establishment of a new nation.

The date of the Declaration of Independence cannot be the date of the establishment and origin of the United States when, as the sources clearly state, ratification ofbthe Constitution on June 21, 1788, was.

As far as countries 'being equal to humans as far as birth', I have 2 things to say:

One, I used that example as an analogy, not a 'statement of equivalence'.

Two - there is a branch of Astrology which analyzes the 'natal' (a word Astrologersfor lack of a better word) of countries - so the analagous relationships between human births and those of countries was made long ago in that practice

That is why I used that terminology.

Again, I will state that I am willing to rewrite the article and limit it's scope to the fact of the date of the beginning of the United States. Ecfactman (talk) 19:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ecfactman: I will point out that Astro.com is not a reliable source. It is not peer-reviewed, and deals with fringe theories without providing "parity of sources":

The prominence of fringe views needs to be put in perspective relative to the views of the entire encompassing field; limiting that relative perspective to a restricted subset of specialists or only among the proponents of that view is, necessarily, biased and unrepresentative.

As for your suggestion to limit the scope of the article to the beginning of the United States, we already have an article for that. If you wish to incorporate your article's content, you can ask on the article's talk page, though I advise removing most of the astrological content first.

I also advise that you seek advice from other uninvolved editors as well, so I suggest you forward any further questions to the Help desk. JJP_Master (she/they) 21:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Ecfactman (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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