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can you help please?

Hi, I dont understand? The case was closed with no action, and I havent even logged in until today for weeks so Im pretty certain that I havent done anything wrong! Can you explain please? ThanksCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honest-john (talk • contribs) 16:03, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I reverted the SPI I created when I was reviewing I didn't see the connection I thought I saw and I closed the case. No worries, you don't have to do anything and you are not in trouble. A little hasty actions on my part is all. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Shraddha Kapoor

You definitely hate me for sure, but i'm here for reasons, Kapoor age is not right, she is 25 year old, please look at the following in Magazine Elle (2010)https://www.facebook.com/TeamShraddhaK/photos/a.212522532121565.54751.211871742186644/212522585454893/?type=1&theater and Grazia (2013). https://www.facebook.com/TeamShraddhaK/photos/a.623308241042990.1073741827.211871742186644/623324444374703/?type=1&permPage=1 She is telling her age. See shraddha-kapoor.com http://shraddha-kapoor.com/SHRADDHA.html Also, The Times of India when she stated she is 24 in 2013. Her age seems dubious don't endorse it at wiki. 196.20.243.70 (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't hate you, I don't really care that you've called me names or any of that stuff. I care about the encyclopedia, if it is being damaged or disrupted I fight that. You may wish and mean well but the problem is that this at least for now is not a good place for you. Grow up a little, keep practicing your English and for god's sake please stop being dishonest and socking, and you may qualify to reverse your site ban by taking advantage of the WP:STANDARDOFFER, until that time though we can handle things from the article side. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Seriously man, i genuinely feel was a bit rude over you, i was taking every craps too personally, and at the end of the day i got over-frustrated where it ends up abusing you. I was not brought up like this for sure. I was in that illusion that every editors were conspiring against me. Your right probably i'm too juvenile to be here. But i'm sure i'm right for good reasons. Still doing the research for Kapoor, gaining some factual content about her. You're fight for Encyclopedia, highly appreciate you but at some points you're neglecting the primary info. I'm fan of her i follow her, let just say, i update myself with every craps about her. Cintaa is not a reliable source, check the page again view the following sources you will find an error. Still try to dispute over a beneficial consensus with the editors concerning about her such as ABO1, Krimuk etc. The issue is again harmful, as many sources overkill her dob, Ponyo suggestion was correct, her dob should not be place until find a correct one. Her father said she was 16 when she got her first film --- http://www.filmfare.com/interviews/you-dare-not-mess-with-shraddha-5520.html, 1987 only one source stand against it, but others including the magazines Elle, Grazia or even Marie Claire are not. The balance weight is not justifiable. Your here for a good reason please try to look over the matter again. For the sake of Wikipedia. 196.20.243.70 (talk) 15:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Back and how! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

[1] And it appears somebody's possibly taken your name in vain on ANI? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

thanks for checking that was indeed me 8). I will be making a second user account so i can edit from a mobile device securely. Thanks for checking. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

STmullin

Sorry for the "noise" . . . but I was abused and it needs to be corrected. Stmullin (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

On this website you must have a VERY thick skin and a hhuge tolerance for ignorance sadly. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you . . . I just need to get the fuss stopped without further abuse. Stmullin (talk) 21:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

WeWOOD

Greetings. You just tagged the WeWOOD article as an advert. I am trying to work on that issues. Would greatly appreciate your help. I think this sentence is the most advert-like. It manufactures watches using only wood with the exception of the glass, movement, battery, pins and clasp. However, I don't know how to rewrite this. And this is important. Because this company is not making a watch entirely with wood. Making a watch entirely with wood can be very very expensive. And their watches have parts of metal and glass. Can you please suggest something that sounds less advert-like? Also, if any other thing that you find inappropriate here. Many thanks!Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk) 04:41, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I was on the edge of a deletion request for this last night, it's not that there is one or two phrases the majority seems to be a little WP:UNDUE details of what woood is used, statements about promotions regarding planting trees, explaining the products how they are made how many models they sell doesn't strike me personally as a nuetral article phrasing. I'm not sure if you are connected to the article subject or not but if you are plese tag the article with a conflict of interest tab. It isn't a bad tag, all it does is put it on a page and other editors come and fix and assess if there are any issues. tTo give you an example I started this article and self tagged [[2]], defintely not a bad thing. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Muckle book as a made-up word

I didn't invent it. The turn of phrase was used in the book I cited. I looked up "muckle," in this case, as a variation of "mickle" and thus the word has the meaning of "very large." The Oxford English Dictionary defines "muckle" as a variation of "mickle," but also has the separate definition of "A heavy maul used for killing cod." Separately, the OED defines "mickle" first as an adjective for "great" particularly with respect to size, bulk or stature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varricknunez (talk • contribs) 18:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't invent it. The turn of phrase was used in the book I cited. I looked up "muckle," in this case, as a variation of "mickle" and thus the word has the meaning of "very large." The Oxford English Dictionary defines "muckle" as a variation of "mickle," but also has the separate definition of "A heavy maul used for killing cod." Separately, the OED defines "mickle" first as an adjective for "great" particularly with respect to size, bulk or stature. Varricknunez (talk) 18:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

FYI re 216.189.170.139

I've started a new section at ANI here, after the latest personal attacks and threats from this user (some of them apparently aimed at you). Voceditenore (talk) 12:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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That's not fun

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		We've all been there. Editing Wikipedia should be something enjoyable and it's a shame that some people don't respect the hard work that goes into it. But kudos for sticking with it; they'll find something else to do eventually. HJ Mitchell \| Penny for your thoughts? 20:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I definitely am sticking around, for all of it's quirks, frustrations and oddities, I sure like this website and I'd say about 95 percent of the community is a joy to be around too. Never claimed to be perfect and they let me stay anyways 8). Nice seeing you around and kicking. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:15, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Roger Ohman deletion

Hello! Thanks for the message about Roger Ohman. I would like to point out that there is a reference: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=6193. I will also add the following link: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=202. And I will point out that he has an article on the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_%C3%96hman. Thanks! NHCLS (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

that a person has an article on another wiki doesn't nec make it a given there will be one here but if you look I rolled back that almost immediately. Sorry for the confusion. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:00, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

No worries. It's not always obvious, eh? Thanks! NHCLS (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Archiving

Hello, a quick question: I have noticed that my talk page is getting rather lengthy. Could you please explain to me how to archive it? Thanks! NHCLS (talk) 20:18, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I added the archive to your talkpage [[3]] you can modify as you will. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

So what should I do now? Thanks! NHCLS (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Well nothing if you don't want to 8). It will archive after a thread has been there two days. I'll do a manual start for this first one. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thanks! NHCLS (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You bet Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Talkpages

I am fully aware that someone can remove messages from their talkpage at anytime, BUT there was a specific reason i reverted his talkpage and wa of writing up my reasonings.Jason Rees (talk) 02:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. Take it to Ani if you aren't satisfied but do not revert it as it is disruptive and they are within policy to remove it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 02:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Acttullty it does matter as the reverted edit contains part of what i wish to say to the user. I am also trying to edit from a mobile device atm and reverted since it was easier than trying to type it out agin as a result i belive this is a common sense exception to the policy.Jason Rees (talk) 02:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You'd think so but its not, please don't readd. Take it to the article talkpage where they can't remove it. You can even ping them there, but it is their talkpage and they can remove warnings, discussions or basically whatever they wish as long as it isn't refactoring, blp or blanking block or denied unblock requests. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You can even leave him another message with a link of the first conversation. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

It isnt worth taking it to the talkpage since all i was trying to say was that i was dissappinted that he reverted the count of the tropical disturbances and had ignored my above message. But yet mobile editing isnt great and is a lot slower l than a user who is patrollin.03:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I know that stuff can be frustrating but on the plus side blanking it means they read it even if tey didn't. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

A10

When using A10 as a CSD criteria via twinkle, you should list the article rather than noting to see the talk page (as you did with AON: All Or Nothing World Tour), that way a link to the duplication detector report is created in the template, allowing quick access to compare the pages. Cheers, --kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Odd usually it does that for me. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate you stepping in on the admin noticeboard. 86.147.72.194 (talk) 16:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Dutch Righteous among the Nations ‎

Hello there, I was wondering why you redirected the page Dutch Righteous among the Nations to List of Righteous among the Nations by country. I did not see any explanation in the edit summary. The scope of the article I just created is ofcourse quite different, since the page you redirected to only offers limited space for mentioning people who are Dutch Righteous among the Nations. With 8 other nationalities having a page about their Righteous among the Nations it seemed like a valid stand alone article/list to me, especially since the Dutch are the second largest group. I'm happy to hear your toughts Crispulop (talk) 13:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

My first thought is there is no country called "Dutch" :) secondly the article did not seem to have enough mass to really justify a standalone article. Obviously the people on the list qualify for their own article but it seemed to be a fork that we don't need at this time. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

The denonym of people from the Netherlands is Dutch, the other nationalities also use the denonym for the page name so that explains that I suppose. I encourage your deletionist stance (being of deletionist idealogy myself ;)) , however I can't agree it had not have enough mass yet. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered creating it. The one minute frame between between me creating the page and your redirect unfortunately didn't give me much opportunity to improve/expand it either. Crispulop (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

It's a common issue and I'm bad at waiting times. If you feel like you can flesh it out feel free to revert and use the in construction tag {{UNDERCONSTRUCTION}}. I will review it later and if I still feel this way I can open a merge or redirect discussion. I understand that Dutch is a name that used ommonly but I believe that Netherlands should be used, I think it's in the manual of style somewhere but I'll have to search it out. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

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Varun Dhawan

Hello why have you reverted My Name Is Khan from Varun Dhawan filmography ? It is properly sourced in the career content ? Daan0001 (talk) 09:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I apoligize it seems to be unintended collateral damage. I was doing a reversion of a banned user. Aradhya Rai is a sockpuppet of Smauritius, who is presently banned. if you wish to take responsibility for those edits you are perfectly entitled to do so and revert me. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Kiara Advani Revert

Hi Hell in a Bucket. Your revert on Kiara Advani removed ten days worth of edits (21 edits), including constructive edits by several editors including myself. In the future, would you please only remove the edits that are attributable to the blocked user? Thanks.- Mr X 12:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

If you'd like to take responsibility for those edits by all means revert my reversion. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of 7th Tenerife International Film Music Festival

Hello, I don't understand how the list of concerts from a 2013 film music festival can be considered advertising. From the importance of the subject point of view, imagine how academic the Venice Film Festival can be to someone who doesn't like films. What should I delete from the article to bring it to an acceptable level? Regards, Vlad.nagea (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest adding WP:RS that show that it is notable. Help explain why this is different then any other film festival and why this one should be listed in a ebcyclopedia. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I'll try to find additional sources, but I'm not sure how much time do I have until the page is deleted. By the way, there is already a Wikipedia article about this festival Tenerife International Film Music Festival, should I expand that one with the listing of concerts instead? It is possible that the festival is not considered big enough to warrant sub-articles. By looking at their venue, website, the fact that they started in 2007 and have well-known Hollywood composers as guests, I wouldn't call them insignificant, though. Regards, Vlad.nagea (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

All you have to do to pass a csd is to claim significance on the article talkpage. the reviewing admin will decline the csd. It doesn't preclude other manners of deletion but it stops the speedy at least. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the speedy deletion request, my initial article was lacking references, categories and overall concision, I tried to address these problems in my next edits. To avoid such errors, I'll use the "Article Wizard" for my next articles. Regards, Vlad.nagea (talk) 07:34, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

My page about Max Noble

Hi,

sorry about my page Max Noble footballer born 1989 I was in a hurry and it went terribly wrong... I am going to re do it (properly this time).

Maarlon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maarlon (talk • contribs) 14:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Dan Nainan page

Thank you for undoing the vandalim of DesiBabe. As you probably know that page has been vandalised by DesiBabe and halfdoghalfdeer well cited passages have been removed. I tried to talk to admin orangemike but have not heard back from him in a week. Any sugestions on what i can do about these vandals. Maybe you can contact oragange mike on my behalf there already a section about this on his talk

It also have been said that Dan Nainan page reads like a gushing fan site, how can I change this and make it sound more netral. I do say a lot about him and the reason being is for notability purposes. But its all cited from mostly well known media. Can you give me any sugestions to further improve the page.

Nerdypunkkid (talk) 15:28, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous. You're telling me that the following is unbiased?

"In January 2012, Nainan performed for New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg at a charity gala at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York City. Afterwards, Mayor Bloomberg said that Nainan was "hysterical".[13]

In March 2012, Nainan performed for Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak at the Apple Investor Summit held at the Los Angeles Convention Center.[14] Afterwards, Wozniak praised Nainan effusively, saying that Nainan is "The funniest guy out there".[15]

In May 2012, Nainan performed for US President Barack Obama at the APAICS Gala at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Washington DC. President Obama said that Nainan was "hilarious".[16]"

Seriously, this is the epitome of a "gushing fan site". This page is not neutral, at all.

DesiBabe (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

You've obviously never read bollywood articles. If what they said was important enough to be mentioned in a reliable source we can have it on there. If you want to dispute the reliability oif the sources by all means please explain what I'm missing. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Your redirection was a good idea. I admit I didn't catch that this was the original starting point, subsequently perverted to a particular organization DGG ( talk ) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

User:DGG I figured! Hey can you look into this [[4]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Looked. Changed block to perm w/o talk p. access--I seem to have messed up the template --pls fix. DGG ( talk ) 07:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Chelsea Public Schools

Hi, I think you interpreted this as a coatrack but it's not. I don't have any value judgment against the district accepting illegal immigrant students and this isn't intended to be a judgment against this. Therefore I would like to have this paragraph be put back.

I use "illegal immigrant" instead of "undocumented" because that is the most neutral term accepted by Wikipedia. Also the danger of reading too much into these things is that instead of allowing an article to have that aspect expanded, it just makes newer contributors who don't understand the nuances of Wikipedia get frustrated and quit. Instead of just removing something like this, it may be better to add more content so the article... covers more content. That's how Wikipedia grew in the early days. Somebody makes a new article that isn't complete, but can be expanded a little. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:56, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Feel free, I would word it differently though. My suggestion is that recently the school district has been reported to have a problem with undocumented or illegal immigrants. I understand I write stubs and hope that other people improve them eventually too. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm fine with rewording it :) - See Chelsea Public Schools (I read more of the article and added more information), and I started es:Escuelas Públicas de Chelsea WhisperToMe (talk) 09:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of The Bell Game for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Bell Game is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bell Game until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Myvegoon

Hi Hell in a Bucket,

I just saw your report on WP:AIV regarding User:Myvegoon. Reporting them to AIV for vandalism seems excessive. They created a page about their company which is promotional/spammy, and that page was then reported for speedy deletion. That's not really "a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia" like most of the vandalism that gets reported at AIV. Instead, the issue with that user is that they have a company username. Company usernames and other violations of the username policy ought to be reported to WP:UAA. I've blocked them with a corpname block rather than a vandalism block.

Sorry to pummel you with bureaucracy, but it's best if we don't refer to people who aren't really vandalising as vandals. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Tom Morris I'm curious as to how this was a revision hiding or delete situation. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:25, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Allday (Australian Rapper)

Hello Hell in a Bucket. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Allday (Australian Rapper), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not an WP:A7 - has an album that is currentlu at #3 on a mainstream chart. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 08:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yet again..

[5] and again.[6] Though he is site banned. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Probably just a mistake, either way he won't be editing there a while so not going to worry too much. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 06:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Update → [7] OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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FYI

This might be of some interest. St★lwart¹¹¹ 00:54, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

This too from a national news source, rather than a local one. St★lwart¹¹¹ 01:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

THank you, to be honest I wasn't sure where to even take this discussion. I don't think the administrator actually misread the consensus but I do think that the consensus was not an accurate gauge of notability in this case either. I'm not even sure how long to wait to recreate the page. What's been your experience in these matters? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 06:53, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I have created a few articles where previous versions have been deleted but those were usually a matter of replacing an article about a non-notable thing with an article about a notable thing with the same name. In the first instance, I would wait to see if there is support for the idea of recreating it in the first place. If others support that idea then you may be able to recreate it as soon as the DRV discussion is closed. St★lwart¹¹¹ 07:09, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Drmargi

I notice you are a seasoned editor in Wikipedia and are probably an editor or administrator or someone of importance. Are you able to check and make sure that this person is not able to disparage and baseless accusations against other people like he/she is currently doing in Talk:Kitchen Nightmares? This person has been deleting other people's posts as such. Much appreciated.58.168.101.160 (talk) 16:42, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I am seasoned but I am not anyone of importance or an administrator. I would suggest if you are not able to engage in discussion with Drmargi then you may wish to raise the issue with the ANI board. From the look of things she thinks you are a banned user, that's a hard pill to crack because if they can convincingly show people evidence you are a banned user what they are doing is common practice. I'd suggest doing the above if you aren't indeed a banned or blocked user evading a block. I will however watch the talkpage and if they are deleting things or attacking people not in accordance to wikipedia policies I will weigh in. I'm reluctant to do so now without a full background and I am moving stuff around at the casa so I can't sit and research history at the moment. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Aaaaaaand, he's blocked. --Drmargi (talk) 08:22, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you, kind sir!! We'll keep fighting the good fight. --Drmargi (talk) 00:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Western Sahara

Could you explain your reasons for reverting my edit to the Western Sahara article? I undid a recent change (June 30th) which added a blatant Moroccan bias to the article and was not discussed on the talk page, and restored it to the way it has been since forever. I don't have any personal bias on this conflict, I just happened to read this article trying to learn about it, and I didn't think it was appropriate that Wikipedia would pick sides in this conflict by declaring it to be Moroccan land.

2A02:1812:1312:CC00:552E:CF6D:BAFC:5728 (talk) 12:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I removed it precisely because of that reason. It appeared to be sourced and these issues can be very hard to address as obviously there is two sides to every conflict. I was passing by and did that revert so I'd suggest taking it to the talkpage and see if consensus is that the change is ok or the other version should be used. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. There was no reason given for the original change, that's why I reverted it initially. I've checked some older versions of the page, and those words ("disputed territory") have been the same since at least 2012. The rest of the introduction clearly explains the different sides, so I thought it was unnecessary to talk about "disputed Moroccan territory" in the introduction.

There has been no discussion about it on the talk page, and I think the original change is controversial enough that it shouldn't be done without consensus (or without even an explanation in the page history). I don't think I should be the one that has to get consensus from the talk page before reverting a change as controversial as that and restoring a page to the way it has been for years. 78.22.175.149 (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Precisely, you may wish to refresh with WP:BRD you boldly changed it, I challenged that by reverting it the onus is then on you to discuss the changes to make a consensus. In this case if no one else has a problem with it, I wasn't going to revert you again. Also I'd like to point out it's perfectly possible for a page to be wrong for years, eventually it gets corrected. All that aside honestly what you said was reasonable enough to me personally, obviously the person who changed it felt different and as a ip potentially they may not know how to correctly cite it or that what they did was wrong the talkpage record at least opens the subject people not comment on it for a while but eventually someone comes and cleans the page and will see it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Your comment at Jimbo's talk page

Your edit here could be construed as "demeaning fellow editors, an article subject, or any other person, on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex or gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity or expression" and as a result could be deemed to be "offensive and damaging to the editing environment". You need to remove the comment. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it's intent is clear, that you want to twist it to suit the needs of that thread is up to you. I'd be curious who I was demeaning? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Note

Please stay off my talk page, thank you. Carrite (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If you don't refactor my comments deal. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk page

Please stay off my talk page. —Neotarf (talk) 19:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If you don't refactor my comments deal. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikibreak?

Hello. I am worried about how things are going. You have admitted that you are frustrated and feeling combative and I don't blame you. The tone of your discussion is going from defensible to less defensible.

Your are caught up in a shit fest being carried on by many people who should know better and while your call for sanity was called for you need to be careful not to be dragged into it.

With respect perhaps a nice walk or other form of off wiki relaxation is needed. When the whole issue is less upsetting to you come back fresh. I may be off base so feel free to ignore or refute this suggestion. Chillum 20:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Chillum NO I agree with what you are saying. It was a call to sanity, I did it in a way that I understand some wouldn't understand. I took a few hours break and i do not plan on removing it but a way forward could be they can just hat it...Their solution sucked to say see ANI it's like a 300 page archive lol and I just got frustrated, this way they can go on pretending like all things are right in the world and can pat themselves on their back. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 06:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Link please

In all the brouhaha, I have been reviewing discussions of the past week. When you closed my "Request for administrator to evaluate the conduct of user" you gave this link [8] but it's not taking me anywhere helpful. There is no discussion on that page headed "Neither funny or appropriate," and in fact, my name doesn't appear on that page. Also, are you an admin? I don't see anything on your user page that says so, and I haven't mastered how to figure out who is what otherwise. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think I found it. I searched the archives for "Neither funny or appropriate" and found this discussion,[9] which was completely unrelated to my request to have an admin evaluate another editor's conduct. In fact, that other editor wasn't mentioned in this discussion and did not comment in it. Yet you closed my request saying that I was forum shopping. I had asked for help on Callanecc's page, but when the only feedback that I got there was the other editor's and yours, I went to ANI, per WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE. Now rumors of "forum shopping" have started following me around. Lightbreather (talk) 00:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Lightbreather I'm sorry for the late reply, I was unavailable and away from home. That's the problem with places like ANI, AN, and Jimbo's page that I was trying to impress on you. This won't get solved there, literally nothing ever does unless it's egregious and blockable. The way to think of that place is an unruly mob which will just as likely turn on you then support you. While i think what you are doing is a fine thing, ultimately it will fail. Not because of a lack of effort but a lack of consensus. There's several times it's been attempted, I truly believe to be here you will have to tolerate massive amounts of idiocy. I've taken wiki breaks because of that idiocy. The problem is you started so many threads that were similar but varied everytime you'd start a new one. I counted an AN, ANI and various peoples pages. It may not have been intended that way but when we do that people start rejecting the argument..I'm not saying it's the right course but from my perception we went from the use of the word "cunt" to a person that you thought followed you to the gender gap and now it's a overall civility issue. It's why we have WP:STICK as a suggestion because sometimes what we want to happen never will. I am going to apologize for one thing though, I didn't realize you only started regularly editing wikipedia last September. It's a huge learning curve and you may not have been aware you were doing what we consider "forum shopping" which does actually change my perception about your actions a little bit. I think your bell was a little rung and you were frustrated with behavior that came across as uncouth or mean or that you maybe misunderstood. I'm sure it wasn't all your fault either, it never is purely one sided, if you notice in that conversation I closed at ANI there are more then just me noting you were going to a lot of different pages regarding the issue (which seemed singular and has morphed a bit). I don't have enough dealings to know if that's a pattern of behavior that Scal thought it was but that's what a bunch of editors saw. I really do encourage you to do something else more productive because I think this will be a time-sink that will end up running you off the pedia..then no one wins, not you or the encyclopedia. The best revenge you can have against someone short sighted enough to think he's superior because he is man is be a better contributor and person. I'm only 30 but I've stopped trying to control what others do because I can't, you ask for help with things you can't control and control the things you can. You can choose to look at all of my comments in any light you wish, I chose them for a reason when I wrote that and surprisingly it wasn't upset you or other peoples but sometimes a LOUD wake up calls works better then a quiet one, this whole situation is and will continue getting worse until finally everyone just gives it up. As for your comment am I admin, holy hell no, nor will I ever be one (yup I just heard your sigh of relief ;) ) that doesn't mean the closure was inappropriate, at that point not one, two but more then three administrators had heard what you said. User:DangerousPanda, User:Dennis Brown, User:Drmies, User talk:Callanecc, User:Chillum and User:BrownHairedGirl are all admin. There may have been one or two more I didn't unearth but each of this admin told you in varying degrees there isn't much they can do with the issue. This also stretched across multiple pages, that's why I and others are stating you were forum shopping. After looking at some of your history if I assume slightly more good faith then I was you might have just been unsure what we were saying and was unaware how those behaviors were effecting the perceptions of other editors including myself. Sadly those boards cause more problems then they actually solve unless it's a clear cut blockable offense. This may be too long and if so oh well i had a few things to clarify so it's up to you if you read it or not. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it.

I hear what you're saying about ANI and other boards, but the fact is, those are legitimate avenues of dispute resolution, even if some have labeled them "drama boards." Part of the reason a person files a complaint, is to make it formal, which is what I did in these instances, regarding three related but separate things. The first was about Eric Corbett and his use of the "C" word. The second was about Scalhotrod and his hounding/stalking behaviors. The third was about Civility on Wikipedia in general, after these other two experiences served as the straw that broke the camel's back - having experienced personal attacks and harassment regularly since I started actively editing WP coming up on one year ago. (I putzed around with my account between March 2007 and October 2012 for a total of 13 edits. I started actively editing on 9 August 2013.)

I spent the better part of this afternoon pulling all of this together so that you can see what I'm talking about.

Date	Eric Corbett/Personal attack?	Scalhotrod/Harassment?	Jimbo Wales/Civility?
14 July 2014 13:46		Context: SH & Lightbreather topic-banned for edit warring (Callanecc was clerk)
22 July 2014 17:27		SH started "Gone silent?" on another editor's talk page to speculate about LB's editing intentions
23 July 2014 02:02		LB asked Callanecc (on his talk page) to intervene
23 July 2014 02:15		Cal told SH and other editor to stop
23 July 2014 06:51		Other editor deleted "Gone silent?" discussion
24 July 2014 00:48	LB started discussion on the AN TALK page about how to start a civility board
24 July 2014 20:14	EC commented, punctuated with now famous "C" remark
25 July 2014 17:47		SH called EC's comment "Brilliant" (SH was not part of the discussion)
26 July 2014 04:01	LB read EC's full comment, asked EC to remove "C" remark
26 July 2014 21:27	Djembayz removed comment
26 July 2014 21:29	2 min later, Richard BB restored EC's comment
27 July 2014 01:56	LB started "Personal attack(s) and harassment" discussion at ANI per WP:NPA
27 July 2014 04:08	LB replaced "C" word per WP:RPA
27 July 2014 04:10	2 min later, EC restored "C" word[10]
27 July 2014 12:35	ANI discussion closed by Black Kite w/out action
28 July 2014 15:39		SH edited LB's talk page, on a discussion he was not part of
28 July 2014 15:56		SH edited LB's talk page archive, on a discussion he was not part of
28 July 2014 16:01		LB started discussion "Stalking by SH" on Callanecc's talk page; asked Cal to intervene
28 July 2014 16:05		SH started and pinged three editors to a discussion on his talk page about LB
28 July 2014 17:34		SH joined GGTF less than 48 hours after LB joined and less than 2 hours after LB invited three other editors to join
28 July 2014 19:44		Not hearing from Cal, and feeling anxious, LB asked at ANI for an Admin to eval SH's conduct per WP:DWH and WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE
28 July 2014 19:57		13 min later, request closed by Hell in a Bucket (not an admin) for "forum shopping"
28 July 2014 20:06		Drmies (admin) commented agreement that ANI discussion not needed
28 July 2014 20:19		LB started appeal on Drmies talk page headed "Please reopen"
28 July 2014 21:37		Drmies disengaged from the topic
29 July 2014 00:11			LB started discussion "I don't know if it will make any difference..." about Civility problems on Jimbo Wales talk page

What is obvious, to me, is that I was not "forum shopping." First, as I said earlier, that is primarily about content disputes, not conduct disputes. And I followed the instructions that WP:PA and WP:HARASS give. I do think if I had it to do over again, I would've left a message on Callanecc's talk page that I was moving on to ANI. And a message on Drmies' talk page that I was moving on to Jimbo's. Perhaps then you and a couple others would not have been so quick to conclude that I was forum shopping. Aside from that, despite all the grief, I don't think I would've done anything differently. The issue of Civility on WP - of which my most recent experiences with Eric and Scal are only a small part - must be addressed, IMHO. Lightbreather (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Again, thank you for your reply. I hope our work together in the future is more productive.

Finally, since some admins have been pinged here, I have a question. Do we editors have files? If there is something in mine about forum shopping, I would surely appreciate having it removed. In fact, if there is anything in it apart from my topic-ban for edit warring with Scalhotrod on the NRA page, I would like to know. Lightbreather (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lightbreather: First, there are no files on volunteers of the project. The closest thing would be the log of active arbitration sactions and the user's block log.

Next, I'm sorry but seems to me that you're shooting yourself in the foot again. If you're going to give a full accounting of the situation your table should include:

That you filed at least two cases at WP:AE against @Scalhotrod:. (Pinging for transparency)
That you joined WikiProject Pornography. You did this after you had complained that Scalhotrod's membership in that project made you uncomfortable.
That Scalhotrod proposed a voluntary interaction ban in which you declined to participate.

Now Scalhotrod's behaviour has been quite lacking, but those last two points make your accusations of harassment suspect at best. You need to be aware that, given the above, going from venue to venue accusing someone of harassment looks very much like trumping up a case against an ideological opponent that you want blocked.

So here's some advice you've heard more than once: Stop, drop the stick, and go write some content. You seem good at it. Leave the drama to the people that feed on it. All these fights you've been part of the past few days will amount to nothing. ARBCOM isn't going to accept that silly case and I'm sorry to tell you that the WMF isn't going to get involved in trying to enforce something as culturally nebulous as civility. In fact, you should realise that neither the WMF nor Jimbo enjoy much respect from the community these days.

209.197.6.136 (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh and in case it isn't obvious, I am not HiaB. 209.197.6.136 (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

What would have made obvious who you are, would be leaving a signature. But at any rate, I will reply. Regarding the three items you gave. I could've made a table a mile long if I included every interaction between Scal and myself. I kept it to my recent complaint, which was harassment. The first AE, mid-May (2 months ago), I made against him would not have been at AE, except that another editor suggested that I take all disputes about GC articles there... so I did.[11] Actually, it should be noted at that AE I specifically said that I did not want Scal banned. The second AE, mid-July, was the one that ended with both of us topic banned (for edit warring) from GC articles for six months.[12] That is where I started my table of recent events.

Scal proposed an interaction ban [13] after Drmies made it clear [14][15] that part of what he (Scal) had been doing was inappropriate and unwise. (Drmies later went into more detail about all of Scal's behaviors,[16] including provocation and hounding.)

Considering that our (Scal and I) conflict had been on GC articles, we were effectively following an interaction ban... until he started doing the things that are outlined above.

As for my joining the porn project - so what? It's scope [17] has four parts, and I want to work on the fourth. Since his contributions are virtually exclusive to the other three, we won't be interacting.

Finally, re your advice, no thank you. First of all, I'm not in the habit of taking advice from IP addresses. Second, I've heard it before. If accepting the status quo were going to make me a happier, more productive contributor, it would have done so by now. I am not giving up on the idea that Wikipedia ought to enforce its civility policies. Lightbreather (talk) 16:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks HB, I hope there isn't a 2 drink minimum for the floor show. OK, if I just watch from the peanut gallery? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 03:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not the IP which isn't to say I don't ever use an IP but when I do I self identify [[18]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes User:Lightbreather you are right those are the correct areas of resolution, the problem was you were told by multiple people, admin and non, that there was nothing to be done. I understand that you didn't get the response you wanted but we can't go to multiple pages and boards hoping to get our preferred action, or rather we can to an extent, tt costs credibility though. I'd point out though that in quite a few things your definition of what constitutes an attack is overly broad and a hell of a lot on the overly sensitive side. That's just my honest opinion, one of the reasons why you are being singled out more then Scalhotrod though is that he knows when to disengage..There's a time to disengage too and in this situation it's past. I'm unlikely to have further thoughts on this subject as I think we will not agree until you allow yourself to calm down a little with the overall situation. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

"[He] knows when to disengage." That's a good one, HiaB. But thanks for the post from yesterday, really. That was better. Lightbreather (talk) 20:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Lightbreather, Let's assume for one moment you are absolutely correct he is the problem.. I'm not justifying what or why in this situation he disengaged but in the here and now he did which left the spotlight on one editor right now correct? I was to a lesser extent but everyone has agreed pretty much I'm not the issue...There is indeed a time to disengage. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page

You seem to have forgotten that I have disinvited you from my talk page. Would you care to revert yourself? And FYI, the abbreviation does not mean what you claim it means. —Neotarf (talk) 22:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

HELP ME

hi so uve tagged my ّّّّّ Newsha7 (talk) 10:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC) article for deletion,im not surprised its the fourth time now although every time i tried to make it better so that it wouldnt get deleted the next time but,here we are :D could you PLEASE give me some advice on how to make it better? thank you so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newsha7 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page

Please stay off my talk page. —Neotarf (talk) 08:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't on it and I will not allow you to modify another editors comment. I will revert that if you continue. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Modify

Lol, I said revert if it's not ok to add a link which doesn't modify the meaning ;) - I have a tradition of doing so. (As you can see in the history, it was questioned but the original poster liked it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I know and in this case it helped but I know Neotarf would've had a hayday if I didn't say something. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined

An arbitration case request in which you were named as a party has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. The arbitrators views on hearing this matter, found here, may be useful. For the arbitration committee, --S Philbrick (Talk) 15:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

For fucks sake that only took 10 days to decline ;) thanks for the notice I"m teasing btw. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I asked what "enforced civility" would be called. "Enforced love" is rape, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

No that would be forced love, enforced civility is when they force you to be polite or "cowtow" to the sensibilities of sensitive people. It's like the person who doesn't steal because f cameras, it's honest by force Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

hope over experience

Thank you, slowly learning this language. I had my meeting with the enforcers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Heck we all do from time to time, you just saw me meeting mine. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

For me, it was the first time, and interesting. I haven't been blocked so far, and the prospect of a month made me actually prepare some articles for a time of absence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Just caught up on that debacle, and wanted to stop by and let you know that, as a kikefag, I was not made to feel threatened or unwelcome by your comment. Had ArbCom accepted that abortion of a case, though, I would have felt quite threatened and unwelcome indeed. Thank you for speaking truth to power! betafive 07:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I certainly am glad because no offense was meant. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 07:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Article edit-war dispute that may very well stem from recent nationalism

Hey there. The article for the film The Deer Hunter has seen an uptick in unsubstantiated edits regarding the ethnicity of the main characters (i.e. whetehr or not they are Russian or Ukrainian Americans). This has largely been a problem since the Russian invasion of the Crimea a few months back, and I get why the IP editors and the newly-registered editors may be trying to make the case, the problem is there are no sources that support their claims. In the film (while self-referential it is in fact the only definitive source for the claim that can be found), there is mention of the characters of being of Russian descent... and insofar as any other reliable sources, well, there appear to be none available. As I've made mention of on the talk page of the article, I've no dog in this fight as far as ethnic heritage goes -- I'm merely a fan of the film and trying to keep the article honest. If you'd be so kind as to weigh in on the matter (or at the very have a look) on the articles talk page) you'll see the short but spirited history of the editing argument. Thank you for your time.Ryecatcher773 (talk) 22:24, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is If I may..... Thank you. Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 20:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

RFAr

You posted an incomplete and malformed request for arbitration. Please correct or delete it. If you have corrected it by the time that you read this, thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I think I did it right...can you look at it now? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Arb case

The reason you couldn't find it in the ANI archives is because it hasn't been archived yet: [19].--Bbb23 (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

SPI clerk application

Unfortunately, I've had to decline your recent SPI clerk application. The recent arbitration case requests raise some issues about some of your recent comments, and your ability to perform a clerk's duties without getting into controversy. Some other clerks/CUs expressed some concerns too. --Rs chen 7754 03:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Rschen7754 where have they expressed concerns? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

In private venues. --Rs chen 7754 03:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

That's rather ambiguous, I'm sorry that they didn't have the integrity to say them in a public forum and let you say it for them. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

How disappointing. I would have thought that, given the nature of the role, transparency should be the amongst the first responsibilities of clerks and checkusers. The clerks and checkusers lacking in transparency should be appropriately chastised - in private, of course - and perhaps Rschen7754 could let us know when this process has been completed. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you Demiurge, the decline under the circumstances can be justified but I really am disturbed by the lack of transperency. It allows people to construe this that they just don't like me, or any other reason they privately decide, but if it means that I have to change who I am to be a clerk then I'll happily stay with my fucks, damns, shits and whatever else crops up in the old ticker. 03:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Demiurge, that's not how it works. Anyway, I have expressed my concerns here, and the fact that the candidate was also pushing really hard to be a clerk was a bit offputting for me too. --Rs chen 7754 03:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree you expressed concerns on behalf of all these other people that may or may not exist and I'm curious by what you mean overeager? I think I made four comments total about it.[[20]] and [[21]] that's two total posts and I did ask if someone would be willing to train me because that's what the page asked me to do? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You also messaged at least one CU or clerk, if not more... most people just post once, or privately message a clerk or CU and leave it at that. --Rs chen 7754 03:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I asked two people one of which wasn't very active, would you please mind listing that as a consideration that is taken when people apply so they aren't similarly breaking an unwritten rule. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's more or less social norms, and being patient... --Rs chen 7754 04:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

And that's the point I'm trying to illustrate the lack of transperency is disturbing. I'm not sure that not commenting in nearly two months is inpatient or violating any social norms. Whic board is best suited for a situation like this? Obviously if a consensus of clerks is that I'm not an editor in good standing, and the recent drama can be a justification for saying it's cloudy at the moment, but if it's purely based on personal reasons I'd at least like to see someone with the integrity to say it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to post at WT:SPI/C if you are unhappy about this, but I don't think it would be very productive. Ultimately, the CU team makes the final decisions as to clerks. --Rs chen 7754 05:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) HiaB, I'm sure you know that I harbor you no ill will, but I'd let this one go. When I applied to be an ArbCom clerk, the discussion whether to accept me occurred completely off-wiki, which is apparently standard. I was accepted, but if I hadn't been and no one told me precisely why, that would've been the end of it, even though it's human to want to know. (As it turns out I susbequently went inactive and have remained so but that's immaterial.) Take care.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I accept the decision, I just don't like the methods. It's cowardly and opens the process to all sorts of criticism, I assure you my mind or anyone's mind can make up far worse then what was probably actually said. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 05:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Missed

Precious and missed

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Blocked

As you wish, Hell in a Bucket. You are hereby blocked for two weeks, at your own request, talk page access included. I hope you enjoy your time off: all the best. Don't come back until you finish that painting/article/thesis/shed/automaton. Drmies (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Best Wishes

Hope you have a refreshing wikibreak! Be well. betafive 00:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)