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RE: "One-China Policy"

Both Taiwan and China adhere to the One China policy as described on our own Wikipedia page for the OCP. Please review your sources, then comment. Also check out 1992 Consensus. Thank you. Augend (drop a line) 22:05, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Augend, I seem to recall that they both disagree on what that meant/...Wasn't that a key part of that agreement? Why is it that you are pushing only one side of that? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hell in a Bucket: They disagree on what it means - the key part of it is that there is only one China. In our article we make a distinction between the PRC and the ROC as seperate nations, so to speak, when we say they are neighboring states. They disagree on who the legit gov't of China is, but they don't disagree on the number of Chinas and we're here saying there are two when the 1992 consensus says there is one. Augend (drop a line) 22:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

So they disagree on the meaning and they object to being referred to as China. What I am missing here? Would you like to haved me source the objections they've made over the last yeare or so of being referred only as chinese and not as Taiwan? I will anyways, [[1]] this is objecting to being excluded from the WHO based off actions they claim is by the PRC? The olympics, etc? SHould I post more this is just something with recent events. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the draft : saath charitable trust

Respected sir/mam, Yesterday as per your guidance I made significant changes in my article. I have worked very hard over it and made all necessary changes. Please I request you to have a look as other editor named Theroadislong is not understanding or reading the article. Please review it, it's a humble request. Mayank.b2 (talk) 12:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

there is still a large amount of unsourced material or primary sourced. Theroadislong is a longstanding editor in good standing, they've authored over 100 articles. They have a good idea of what is acceptable. I'm not sure this article will make it to mainspace. I really recommend stripping everything out of the article you can't source third party. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Your recent mistake on my talk page

You recently left a message on my talk page accusing me of something I actually corrected on a particular article. I don't appreciate you or anyone else with too much time on their hands, meddling in my edits, especially when those edits are intended to clarify or remove misleading or patently false information. Do not do so again. Thank you. DaxSantos (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Very kind of you, to worry about the time I have on my hands, I edit in my spare time which isn't much. I do appreciate the concern though, wiki-addiction is a very real thing for some, some other's take it far too seriously. Next time you would like to make broad statements find a source that backs it up and then you won't have a problem most times. In the occasion you do, it's important to read WP:BRD. an important part of which is to discuss , not berate or speculate who has more time or too much time on their hands. Once we reach a consensus, a founding part of this website, then we move forward with the contested edit. If you'd like to open a discussion on the talkpage of that article, I'm sure we can work it out when we both have time to do so. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Dear Can you please the Draft:Shakir Ali Noorie see it againMaizbhandariya (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello I have recently tried to remove peacock terms Can please Copy edit for me If anything required before submitting the draft thanks Maizbhandariya (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear I think that article is ready to get live so shall I directly paste it to main space as i am an Autoconfirmed user thanks 19:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)Maizbhandariya (talk) 19:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	You deserve this much love. -- Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 00:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to remove of alphabet e from Noorie

Can you please help me with above stated problemMaizbhandariya (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to sock puppetry

Dear It has already been discussed that I am using an account known as Phelanthrophist Thanks Maizbhandariya (talk) 16:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to your tag close connection with the subject

To your kindness I am writing on certain subject and also trying it to be in a main space does not means the connection but it was my hardwork which I want it to publish thanks have a great time Maizbhandariya (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Please be generous and request you to please do not create problem for me Maizbhandariya (talk) 18:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to your reply

Dear kindness You are kindly requested to show me where the formal tone of wikipedia is disrupted so that I can work on it thanks have a great time Maizbhandariya (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

It's througout your entire narrative. I won't go through the entire document but I'll highlight a few things in one paragraph. "He has finished his learning with memorization of the Quran and its oration" How is this notable? "reading Islamic disciplines and Islamic sciences" How is this notable? "global, spiritual, apolitical organization, Sunni Dawate Islami, to prepare them genuine practising Muslims and avid disciples of the Prophet" Who says this , who defines "avid" Who defines his intentions as "genuine intentions?" Who stated "ambience of encouragement?" "extensive assortment of issues" Who describes it as extensive and why is it notable? That's just one paragraph, it sounds like you have a serious conflict of interest here and I'm curious what exactly is your connection to the subject? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear kindness I have removed maximum number of the peacock terms from the Draft whether it is ready to get live?Maizbhandariya (talk) 20:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Submit it, I'll let another editor do the review. I don't think it is personally but another person might. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you please tell me that whether the Draft Shakir Ali Noorie is ready to get live or not Maizbhandariya (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no improvement in the submission's tone so far. Decline is not reject. Keep working on it, and this is how everyone starts with the Wikipedia. You can keep every section short, providing the rationale which make the subject pass notability. Say for example. He has authored these much books, and they have this significance. It would pass the criteria of WP:NAUTHOR. Else, Hell_in_a_Bucket has summarized all issues above. Best. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 22:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Maizbhandariya I'm curious what exactly is your connection to the subject? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear I have tried my level best to remove the promotional sentence can you please guide me with an another problem if there any thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

If not I am going to directly making it live on an article ready for submission thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

You can ignore what 4 or 5 editors are tleling you that it isn't ready and move it to mainspace but it would be deleted in short order. Up to you, you can insist it is correct but it's not. I'm starting to really wonder what your conflict of interest is here? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Not sure what is going on with User Maizbhandariya he admits here [2] that User:Phelanthrophist is also his account, he has also used both accounts concurrently to edit Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai. Theroadislong (talk) 15:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Good enough for a sockpuppet report. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Theroadislong, did some digging there was a previous report. there was four possible socks. they were unsure if he was or not. He admits it after the SPI closes. Continues editing concurrently from both up to 04/19/2020. They scraped their userpage clean on the other account that's why it isn't there. They did the same on the AFC, took off the reviews and rejections they didn't like. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Should the Shakir Ali Noori article be moved back to draft in the meantime do you think? Theroadislong (talk) 20:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

The way it is now seems to be fine. The guy probably is notable and it isn't a rampant fluff piece. If you think it needs more incubation go for it but I think as is it is ok. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Give the newbie editor sometime. If he keeps on doing disruptive editing, despite warnings, maybe a block can be asked for at ANI. But for Shakir Ali Noorie, I personally (for my biographical studies about Indian scholars) can assure that he is notable. The newbie editor should and must clarify COI. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 20:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

This newbie editor was troublesome at places when I was copyediting Saqib Iqbal Shami. I faced a severe personal attacks from him. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 20:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I think we are running into language and cultural differences. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Stacey Abrams

There seems to be a bit of a kerfuffle on this article, the bit about her having never won a contested election. I would appreciate your comment on this matter. --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:43, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Seems odd to have a seperate sentence, surely it can be added somewhere in her election wins that she ran uncontested. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

SPI

SPI is busy enough without the burden of reports of unrelated users which lack any evidence. Cabayi (talk) 10:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Cabayi, I wrote see user pages [[3]]. You can choose not to act on it, but kinda weird that the account is writing about other brand new accounts. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

If weird were blockable there wouldn't be many of us left. Being weird and knowing (or pretending to know) other users isn't sockpuppetry. It's certainly not enough to block, nor enough to ask for checkuser. Cabayi (talk) 19:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Merchandise Giveaway Nomination

Hii, a few moments back Maizbhandariya had dropped me a message at Meta about Shakir Ali Noorie, checking his contributions - I got to know that he has commented on the Giveaway nomination about you which has been opened by some IP user. Did you noticed it? - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 23:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you link me to it? I have no idea what you are talking about. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

this is the link. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 00:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Weird, well thanks for the heads up. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Association of Muslims Professional Inc

I see you welcome a lot of new users. That's great, I do as well, but I'm curious as to why you did it in this specific case for two reasons: One, they have no edits, and since dozens if not hundreds of accounts are created but not used every single day, it isn't a good use of time and resources to welcome them all. Two, their username is going to get them blocked if they do make so much as one edit, so there's no real point anyway. It's not a huge deal or anything, just not real helpful to anyone. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Beeblebrox, Hi Beebs! I agree for the most part. The way it seems they are running the Username stuff now is that a business name by itself is not block worthy, there must be promotional edits. Most time the soft user block is not useful anyways is what I've been told. It doesn't make sense to me. If you notice the template I left though it was the welcome problem user template. Not too bitey but if they do then promotional edit we don't have to go through the process of warning and stuff. I think this explains a bit more [[4]], under the heading Promtional Edits, I raised this concern and this was the response I received. I was trying to follow guidance :) , not cause wave and respect the advice! The other part is that when I template it auto watches the page, so if I see a promo username make a promo userpage, poof spam be gone. Unbroken Chain (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Beeblebrox, it worked too see [[5]] and followed by [[6]] Unbroken Chain (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

(I either didn't know or forgot that you changed your name, didn't realize who I was talking to.) So yeah, basically we don't block anything but the really, really nasty names until they make an edit, or at least trip an edit filter. There's some disagreement on the use of the soft block, to me it's a matter of intent. Most people who come here with a promotional name don't realize how much stricter WP is than many other websites about promotions, they've come to expect that websites will let them just post promotional material and use the name of their organization, so it's usually ignorance, not malice, that gets them in trouble. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft Maria Musoke

Hello;

i received your comment in regards to my Article Draft Maria Musoke thanks so much for helping me see where my issues where and i believe this will help me improve my Articles in future.

thanks once more Nyamwij (talk) 10:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

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Seven years!

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Good morning User:Gerda Arendt! Thank you, if we are being honest out of the compliments I've recieved (there are not a lot) yours is my favorite and always is first in my mind. Really! I'm still here, I pop in and out as I have the time. Grad School tends to keep one busy as does full time work. Hope all is safe and healthy in your neck of the woods. Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

(blushing) what a nice post-birthday gift, - see my talk for an easy answer to your question, meadow pictured where I spent that day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

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Probably my favorite wiki-love. I'm still here, just hip deep in grad school so not a lot of mess around time. I will be back soon. Thanks for the smile User:Gerda Arendt. Unbroken Chain (talk) 12:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Lovely. I just had a chance to take a pic of my first subject, remember deletion ;) - on my talk, and will stay for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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Fixed your talk page archiving

Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --rchard2scout (talk) 12:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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Reversion of my edits to RISC architecture article

Every claim made in my edit is contained inside the sources given. What specific assertions got your goat? Elliott-AtomicInfinity (talk) 05:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing is my concern. I realize you have added sourcing but they may not be what we need to publish. The usage of youtube as a reference to source a large addition is of concern. I may be misinterpreting WP:NOYT but I believe it needs alternate sourcing. Likewise this source [[7]] does not appear to be WP:RS. It's the quality of the sourcing that I was taking issue with. Unbroken Chain (talk) 05:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Brian Evans (singer)

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Hello, Unbroken Chain/Hell,

I fully expect Brian Evans or one of his fans to remove this PROD tag, I just read through this biography tonight and was underwhelmed by what he accomplished. I can see that you created this article and have protected it over the years from zealous fans and Evans himself. I just don't think Wikipedia would lose anything if this article was deleted that seems to need lots of page protection and that has created multiple sockpuppets over the years. I originally removed all of the photos of Evans with "celebrities" but in the end decided to PROD it. I was surprised it hadn't been PROD'd or AFD'd before this. But if you want to keep it, I accept that. Hope you are well. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you User:Liz for your message, always a pleasure. That page and person is a timesink. He is marginally notable due to his song's inclusion in the Baseball Hall of Fame IMO and the various little coverages along the way. Unfortunately there really aren't any zealous fans, those were all socks of Evans. My own involvement started when I was trying to assist him writing this in a manner that wasn't promotional. We did manage to remove the article he wrote about his mother as she was not notable but his was a different story. I'm certain at some point we will see Evans for some sort of legal threat or appeals to Wikipedia governance. If he does read this, none of this has ever been personal on my end and I actually used to make a point of documenting sleep apnea stuff when I did Doctor's office work in tribute to his mother who passed away from that in a hospital of all places. Let me look at the page and see what it has been changed to I took it off my watch list a while ago. Unbroken Chain (talk) 04:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz and it appears here is the active sock Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Croonerman. User:Bbb23 would know the intricate ins and outs of his block evasion as well. Unbroken Chain (talk) 04:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

He already came to my talk page to complain. I guess he constantly monitors the article. I read over the SPI case after PRODding the article, along with the talk pages of most of the socks. Wow, you were patient beyond belief at the start of all of this. Then, the lawsuit threats, the stuff about his mother, the sockpuppetry, it's ridiculous. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It really is and it plays out the same way every single time. There is no variation, no creativity and never ever has it actually worked. Unbroken Chain (talk) 05:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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New article

Thanks for the note and barnstar for El Pomar Foundation. I had intended to create a related article for a long time but..... On that note, I created Julie Penrose and performed some other related edits. If you get a chance check the article out. -- Otr500 (talk) 00:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Article looks great! Colorado history is one of my favorite subjects and this added a little piece of the puzzle with Spencer Penrose being the namesake of Penrose, Co. One thing that studying history of the state taught me is how notability can be measured differently then on the world level. Was a good learning moment in terms of understanding GNG differently. Keep up the great work. Unbroken Chain (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

CSD

• Hi, Unbroken Chain - I saw your speedy deletion nomination of User:Appleson88 and just wanted to touch base with you. A UP that provides personal information about a user that is written by the user is not a CSD. If that information had been provided by anyone other than the user, it would become an WP:OS issue that would require the elimination of all personal information on WP. In this case, you could liken it to WP:COI, or just an editor who is not concerned about anonymity. I'm happy to answer any further questions you may have about WP:NPR. Happy editing! Atsme 💬 📧 13:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• User:Atsme, Thanks for dropping me a line, I understand and thank you for taking the time to address this in a kind manner. All good on my end now, never intended to stir up trouble :). I like your userpage btw, especially your rodeo picture. I used to show Miniature Horses 20 years ago. I miss livestock. Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Glad you found a moment or so of enjoyment there. I ❤️ minis - animals truly are excellent for emotional support, even if that wasn't our initial intention for partnering with them. I've been practicing (cert in Animal Husbandry) breeding/raising livestock and show dogs for about 50 years now (since retired). My work was focused primarily on our own ranching needs which involved cutting horses (also for NCHA competition), working dogs (also for show), and cattle (also for show). It's one thing to stress about an upcoming competition or the birth of a foal, calf or litter, and something completely different when stressing because of corporate politics, social media or WP. My experiences cover a broad spectrum and I have come to appreciate the epistemic differences. I chose to volunteer my time at WP to fill the void retirement brings, and I wanted to "give back" whatever I could if it would help others. I not only enjoy & appreciate nearly all editors/admins in our wonderful community, I find that collaborating with knowledgable, common sense editors is a good stress reliever while also accomplishing something positive for the greater good. I do hope our WikiCons and WikiManias will return - I truly enjoyed them. Unfortunately, on WP we don't all see eye to eye, so it can be a challenging row to hoe when least expected but we have an essay for that, too. Atsme 💬 📧 15:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

That's awesome. I was using Wiki for my stress output currently as I work on my master's capstone. I really love it when I can work with knowledgeable, common sense editors as well, much easier to receive feedback from those individuals as well. As far as ranch work been there done that too. I've had to track cattle in the middle of the night in a snowstorm when fence when down, chute em for branding, cutting or medicating etc. Shoot even had to buck hay, fun fun. Maybe before I'm too old I'll be able to have a small farm and a little stock. Would be an awesome thing, thanks for the work you do here, without us all it wouldn't happen. Feel free to drop a line again. Unbroken Chain (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

WHY deleting my wikipedia page

WHY is unbroken chain deleting my wikipedia page? 2800:AC:8000:8DBC:1:0:FB0F:FB19 (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure who you are. There should be some links on your usertalk page, the one for you like the one here for me, and it should explain it. Usually I tag uerpages or articles for promotional issues or writing about stuff that doesn't really pertain to Wikipedia. Hard to say without knowing who you are. Unbroken Chain (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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User:Gerda Arendt thanks for the reminder :) good timing too it was my last day of Grad School! Thanks for remembering me. Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Your e-mail

There are different views on this issue. My personal view is that as long as you have a strong password that is only used on Wikipedia, you needn't worry. Some think you should also implement WP:2FA. As to why editors experience a "sudden" flurry of those stupid messages (I think they are singularly unhelpful), theories abound, but I don't spend any time speculating about it. Sorry I can't be of more help.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

User:Bbb23, I didn't think there was much else to be done either. I just wanted to check with you due to your years experience as an Admin just to see if there was anything else that you'd know about with that. Many thanks for the reply and best wishes! Unbroken Chain (talk) 16:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment at the most recent RfA

Hey @Unbroken Chain, saw your comment in the current RfA about how you wanted to get a PhD. Just wanted to let you know that if you're in North America and are working towards a research PhD that they're often free. I'm doing my PhD now in Psych Science so I'm a researcher and am not a licensed counselor. Part of my funding package included a fee wavier and a paid TAship. If you have any questions or anything I'm more than willing to answer them for you. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 04:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm working to build up practical experience, I'll be honest Stats 2 wasn't my strongest subject so when you start getting into the various errors, pearsons r and such I am not sure I'd be much use researching! I am intrigued though is there a place I can read about this? Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Funny thing about creating an account

I may be beating a dead horse, but I recently learned that you don't actually need an email to make an account. Special:CreateAccount only "recommends" that you supply an email address (if you do not provide one, you cannot recover your account if you forget your password). The process may have been different back then, but today, you just need to type a username and password (and fill out a CAPTCHA). The more you know! HouseBlaster^talk 03:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds uber easy, it's been 13 years since I registered so I might be offbase. I don't mind the stop by at all. Horse meat should be well tenderized before eating ;) Unbroken Chain (talk) 03:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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Jack Gunter

Hello, Unbroken Chain ,

This article was deleted in an AFD discussion recently. An editor wanted to work on it so I restored it to Draft space where it could be improved. Without any improvement to the article, you moved it directly to main space from Draft space. Before accepting a draft, please review the page history as I think this article is likely going to be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4 and reasonably so since it is identical to the version of the article that was just deleted. Rather than have that happen, I'm going to move it back to Draft space where the editor can work on it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:16, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I am somewhat on the side of the author on this one. I guess we could ask them to revamp it more. I actually perused their page a bit and it looks like the editor does have a history editing and at least one GA nomination that passed. I defer to you but that was my reasoning, this afd may have missed the mark I think. Unbroken Chain (talk) 02:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Heydrich

Hello UC. I read the Heydrich article and saw that the "grave robbery" was handled in two places, so I took out the second. I have no strong views on content or placement, but I don't think it needs to be mentioned twice. If you are so inclined, can you combine them? Best wishes, Kablammo (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I apparently did not make that addition well at all! I'm "ok" with any decision you have made to improve the 'pedia. Unbroken Chain (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Better creation of SPIs

It might be more useful were you to create a sole SPI with multiple suspected puppets than to create one per suspect. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I should have added the tool I use, as do many others. Please see WP:Twinkle/doc#ARV. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'm sorry for the mess and will use this tool going forward. Unbroken Chain (talk) 15:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't a mess, it really wasn't, but anything we can do to help the hard working folk there have an easier time is worth doing. The key thing is that you reported them. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:59, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I reviewed what you sent and I'm embarrassed to say that I actually used that tool. In my haste I didn't add them all in that one report, in essence if I had reviewed more and then filed I would have made the reports in the one. I need to learn how to add to existing reports manually and not be too TW reliable. Thanks. Unbroken Chain (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Twinkle is something I feel it is safe to rely on. It prevents me from making basic errors when filing SPIs, AfDs, etc. You can tell from my typos that I am great at basic errors!

Adding to existing reports manually is a case of looking at an old one and emulating it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:50, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, always a smile :) Unbroken Chain (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Next time you see a username like that, use {{uw-coi-username}}; that way, you don't thank a zero-edit account for their contributions. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

User talk:I dream of horses, I've always thought it was a bit odd doing that but my intention was to be welcoming without the templated warning. IMO that sort of username should be an autoblock immediately but the view of the community (or as I understand their view) is such that until they edit it is considered a bit BITEY. I will consider what you have said for sure though. Unbroken Chain (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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You apparently recreated the page at the wrong title, since I had already moved it to Leroy Smith (activist) with the lowercase disambiguator. CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

User:CycloneYoris thanks for that and sorry, didn't realize it should have been lowercase. Unbroken Chain (talk) 06:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

No worries. CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Eric LeMarque

As you might have noticed, the Eric LeMarque article has been a bit problematic in the past, IP users and now a registered user have been adding false facts regarding his hockey career to make it look better. Are you interested in reporting this or should I? I can't revert the user again because of the WP:3RR, something he has now broken himself. Alvaldi (talk) 17:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I started an incident report at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard Alvaldi (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Alvaldi, it looks like the supremely diligent User:Bbb23 did a partial block for that member. I'd watch for sock puppets as we go forward, best wishes. Unbroken Chain (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Unbroken Chain,

I hope this is not an inappropriate question for your talk space, but I was hoping that you could review an article I have submitted for creation: Draft: Cameron Driggers. I have been waiting some time (2 months) for a review to no avail, which is totally understanble given the backlog. Seeing as you appear to have extensive experience editing and creating biographies, I thought you would be a perfect person to come to with this and (hopefully!) expedite the review.

My inspiration for this article was a class I took last semester, in which I was tasked with creating an article well sourced and well-written enough to be placed on Wikipedia. For a short time, I was successful, but it was quickly removed from the mainspace apparently because of a lack of sources. Although I got an A on the assignment, I felt bad knowing the article didn't stay up, and I'd like to make the adequate modifications so that it does. Thus, I would really appreciate any feedback, or (if its ready) a submission of the draft through AFC. Mrwriter2.0 (talk) 00:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. Do you have ideas on how to improve the article's [RSF] phrasing? I can see that the sentence on its militant protests can be rephrased, but the fact that it openly propagates the revolutionary, i.e. centered on the overthrow of the state by armed force, politics of Naxalbari (a current which has been described by a former Indian PM as gravest internal security threat), is something which is noteworthy, and doesn't by itself judge this stance in a certain direction, as per my view. Do let me know your thoughts. Red-tyca (talk) 02:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for reaching out. When I read the article I feel like it was written by someone that feels strongly about the subject which may impact it's neutrality. This was an overarching issue for my review IMO. Statements such as "It openly propagates the armed revolutionary politics of Naxalbari" need to be sourced, who says they "openly" propagate this? "It has been active in militant protests throughout its existence" How long is it's existence, how are these notable actions where is the third party sourcing? "In these contexts" what context and who is describing the context, is it your own WP:SYNTHESIS? A good example of a neutral presentation is John Galen Locke. That is an article I wrote about a racist and overall horrible person, you can't really tell my opinion in my writing though. Each statement is sourced and then neutrally presented, that is more or less what I was looking at and for with your article. I wouldn't say they aren't notable but presented as is it feels like this is a subject you dislike and have sourced inadequately. That may not be your intention but that is what I felt while reading and reviewing it. These are all fixable errors and nothing that makes the effort you put in wasted, just a little calibration needed. Unbroken Chain (talk) 12:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the reply and I will answer honestly as well. Contextualizing these matters a bit, although not with the intention of starting a discussion, will aid towards solving the underlying problems and improving the article, in my view.

If you look at my page, then you will see that although my account is still relatively new, India's maoist rebellion is a key interest of mine, both in its root causes (which include the millenia-old caste system, as depicted in documentaries like "India Untouched", abject poverty as ~ 60% percent of India's population are affected by according to the World Bank, and the threatened displacement of Adivasis as reported by The Guardian, Al-Jazeera, TheCitizen), as well as the expressions of struggle in the face of these questions derived from it, of which the maoist rebellion is probably the most militant and famous one, for its choice of struggle being armed struggle, and the consequences of this struggle, as well as the ideas it is guided by.

So when creating this article, I moreover feared that an application would not be accepted for possible biases in favour of this movement, which likely caused language to shift in a direction where it implied the very opposite for the immediate viewer. To note that is very good, for errors can be improved only through it being pointed out. I'll try to answer to the referred sections:

1. When there was talk of open propagation of the armed revolutionary politics of Naxalbari, the reference was particularly the documentation of an action of theirs for the "Martyr's Week", which is an occasion they strongly connect with Naxalbari and its lessons (Maoists in India see the uprising as a defining point for their political orientation, as can be seen for example in articles of TowardsANewDawn), as well as the interview a Brazilian student group of similar outlook conducted with them. Therein, the RSF not only explains its ideological orientation but also why in their view, "armed revolutionary resistance" is the only answer to the problems the majority of the Indian people face. They explain the Maoist struggle in Dandakaranya, particularly Bastar, to be a central guidance in this regard. They repeatedly also affirmed this in public statements.

---> My question for possible improvement: should I add explicit public statements with quotation in the reference affirming this, alongside their view of why they support this method? Instances of protests in the context of Naxalbari can be added too, if needed.

2. When there was talk of the fact that "In these contexts" they have been described as "ultra-left", the main reference was the newspaper article about a concrete case of militant confrontation with BJP supporters, as reported in various outlets (more sources can be added though, that much I can see). The source described them as a "ultra-left" organization, something which, according to Human Rights Watch, is commonly used as a means to repress dissent. I thought of including this information, but refrained – would such information give value to the understanding of the situation of their, that is the RSF's, student politics in Bengal? If yes, this can definitely be added, though the border between such specific topics and the general as accessable in other, specific articles is sometimes difficult to evaluate.

3. As regards the mentioned house raids on several activists alleged by the NIA to be Maoists (that is, party workers of the banned CPI (Maoist): though the procedure of court cases has varied in the past, the SC of India decided that mere adherence to an ideology should not be incriminated). The source for the RSF's reply (the title could be added, since it being on social media probably causes many to disregard it, indeed it is the official account of the RSF housing public releases, not merely an individual) is a statement in response to these raids, alongside very general news of raids proceeding in that context as told by a media outlet citing state sources. I'll conduct more research, especially on the cited Website "Chattrafauj" which houses RSF statements and articles, if the source can be replaced with an equivalent from there. While the NIA claims to have uncovered a maoist conspiracy in East India, the RSF claims that books and articles by marxist theoreticians which are not banned in India would have been used as alleged evidence for their membership of the CPI (Maoist). These, of course, are serious allegations which in my view are justified to be mentioned. If more contextualization of the respective arguments of state & RSF would be needed, this can surely be done. I recommend to read about the Bhima-Koreaogon-18 case to understand the precedent of such legal controversies in India.

Lastly, I'll look further for more substantiation of militant protests, preferably from news outlets or academic institutions, as well as for their history. If more context on their foundation as to their own understanding or as per state sources (that is, declared government websites of ministries and co.) can be found, I'll add this also with the naming of the source of the claim. If you find the time, do let me know what you think about these possible changes/additions, and I hope that the misunderstanding has been cleared. Red-tyca (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a work in progress and we all start someone. My comments here aren't meant t be critical to you or your motives, just what we would like to see the article look like as a finished product. If you can source your statements that is the best. I'd suggest reading WP:RS and WP:NPOV when presenting. I personally like to support just about everything in my article to the point where it might go over board. A good rule of thumb is that is they are described as hard left, make sure to say by who and source it. Takes it out of our mouths and uses the RS to do the support for us. Unbroken Chain (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jeffrey Gale

Hi Unbroken Chain! Thank you for taking the time to review Draft:Jeffrey Gale. Your note suggested that it was "Close but not enough 3rd party coverage IMO to pass the GNG". I don't know what GNG means, perhaps you could explain. How many additional references of what quality would you recommend to allow its acceptance? "IMO" suggests that another reviewer might think differently, but I'd rather succeed with your advice. Thank you, again. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 11:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Good morning User:HopsonRoad. I'm sorry I should have hyperlinked this better. The GNG is the General Notability Guideline, found here WP:GNG. More specifically this subsection seems to fit best [subsection]. Sources like this [[8]] tell us that he exists and makes very nice baskets, very nice if I say so myself but this doesn't provide in-depth coverage of his work or why it is notable. This here is an excellent source [[9]] and more like it will help move the notability bar. This source is more about Emerson and only mentions in passing his father but not how he is notable [[10]]. The other concern is that the pictures you have uploaded to the article appear to have been taken from VTfolklife and the copyright status may not be in a good place for those images. There is no set number of sources here, just a totality of the situation and presentation. It seems like if you find a couple more reliable third party sources, or WP:RS, that explain his notability better the article would likely survive a deletion review. As to whether another person would approve your article, they might, however that doesn't guarantee the article would survive and any editor could make a WP:PROD deletion req or start a deletion discussion via WP:AFD. I don't think written as is at this point it would survive a deletion discussion, certainly a competent professional but need to know more about why he is a notable one. Unbroken Chain (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt and thoughtful reply, Unbroken Chain. First, I should assure you that the photos are all mine, properly uploaded at Wikimedia, e.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jeffrey_Gale_with_egg_basket.jpg. There's probably a paywall that prevented you from reading it, but the Valley News citation was a two-page spread. (I could email you a pdf, if you wished.) The articles that I have seen tell pretty much the same story. Of note to me is the acquisition of his work by the Smithsonian Institution. With the Valley News, included, I might hope that one additional article could suffice. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 12:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

That's great on the images, that's an area I am lacking at and never totally learned and hence why I didn't tag it for deletion or the copyright warning stuff :) . Definitely have written a lot of articles though, especially on people with "fringe" notability when it comes to WP inclusion merits. The Smithsonian is a step in the right direction but the GNG for creatives is that the subject should be in multiple galleries and museums, likewise there needs to be more then one piece of coverage in the news that provides more then a passing mention. It needs in depth coverage in multiple sources. The facts here are that there are quite a few reviewers outside of myself and they may well see the notability differently and if you feel that those things you mention bring it to the level it needs to survive, then feel free to resubmit with changes you feel do that. Wikipedia is run on WP:Consensus and often enough consensus has been with or against my ideas from time to time so a different reviewer may see it differently or apply a different notability standard they feel fits more! A review is just my opinion and I hold no special privileges or ranks other than the ability to help review these, in other words I can err :). Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

One last thought, is there things like this for the smithsonian [[11]]? See the difference how it's presented rather than raw images? Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Unbroken Chain, I have edited the draft article to a level that I feel it meets WP:BASIC. I have added three additional references: 1) Bell, Nicholas R. whose references to Gale are cited by page number in the text, 2) Borden, Elissa: WCAX television interview and commentary, and 3) "A Measure of the Earth: The Cole-Ware Collection of American Baskets | Smithsonian American Art Museum". I suggest that if the Smithsonian regards his work as noteworthy enough to collect and display that should suffice, given that a basket maker doesn't fit the description of creative professionals (WP:CREATIVE). I've added material from Bell and Smithsonian that combine to describe the notability of the craftspeople in the Cole-Ware collection, IMO. I look forward to seeing whether this puts us over the top. It seems to me that the topic is more notable than topics like North Sterling State Park or Mancos State Park, which don't have broad coverage. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I appreciate your point on the articles you mention above, both of which I authored. The difference here is that some topics have inherent notability like it or not, state and national Parks are one of those, another is high schools are inherently notable even when they are not ( I will forever complain about that one). National Historic Sites are always considered notable too by default, it can boggle the mind but that is what consensus has determined. Sometimes clear cut things can be less clear cut dependent on consensus. Let me also use a personal example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Allen Sinclair is an article I wrote (Hell in a Bucket was my old username. Big Grateful Dead fan) and I still believe to this day as a brigadier general this man passed the GNG for military folks and also had a lot of focused coverage on a sexual assault case. Ended up deleted because there wasn't enough 3rd party coverage to show more on that individual outside of the sexual assault stuff. There is a problem with sources like this [[12]], this says he exists the year he was born and where he works but not why he is notable. We might be able to look and say hey those baskets are probably his but with our sources guideline that would be a WP:SYNTH. We can't connected those things as common sense as that might seem to be. I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying, I'm not questioning his notability I think it's clear he has notability. I'm saying the way it is supported in 3rd party sources has been inadequate. Some of the sources as I have noted in the past mentioned him in passing and spoke more in depth on his son. If you feel like you've done enough to establish notability, move it to main space. AFC is a good avenue for those with conflicts of interest, just starting or sometimes under restrictions but it is not mandatory and I won't initiate deletion discussions on your article personally. You do run the risk of Speedy Deletion nomination but a claim to notability on the talk page is enough to stop that. You run the risk of WP:PROD deletion but you can simply delete that template yourself or you could have an WP:AFD request which is a longer more drawn out process as you can see from mine. Possibly none of the above immediately. I still think it's close, closer now with your additions and I am ok with another person reviewing so they can give you an opinion or you can publish yourself if you feel it is ready and you are ready and aware of the potential paths this could take. Whatever happens if deletion requests happen they aren't personal and if you comport yourself as you did here, you will do splendidly. Unbroken Chain (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your insights and kind words, Unbroken Chain. I'll see how it fares in the article space. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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