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Your submission at Articles for creation: Zahrat Al Khaleej (October 11)

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Unblock request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Today was just like any other day on Wikipedia for me. I was continuing with one of my own independent volunteer projects here which involved exploring the world through Wikipedia. In the recent past I had done a lot of editing related to India, from where I am and live currently. I wanted a short change. So I started my own little project that allowed me to explore the WikiWorld in an organised manner, even hoping that I could convert it into another Signpost article. So today I was in Eritrea. And lo and behold I was blocked from editing and my heart skipped a beat when I saw the huge message of the same. This is my first time that I have to request an unblock.

>>> IN SHORT, I request that the underlying IP be unblocked. (Despite the long story above, I know it probably has nothing to do with my editing and in lay terms is for other edits from users in the similar range.) I also used the Unblock Ticket Request System (UTRS) method by mistake. DTM (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You'll need to tell us the IP involved for us to help you. If you don't wish to post it here, you may use WP:UTRS. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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331dot, this is what the block message says "...Editing from 2401:4900:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 has been blocked (disabled) by Materialscientist...". My IP is visible online as 2401:4900:168f:12b0:4173:f424:1398:a55a DTM (talk) 04:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I have placed the correct template below. DTM (talk) 07:34, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Unblock-auto request

This blocked user's request to have autoblock on their IP address lifted has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request.

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2401:4900:168f:12b0:a526:2d02:2907:8138 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

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Block message:

...Editing from 2401:4900:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 has been blocked (disabled) by ‪Materialscientist... Wikipedia's technical logs indicate that this IP address or network has been used (not necessarily by you) to disrupt Wikipedia. It has been blocked from editing to prevent further abuse.

• Blocking administrator: Materialscientist (talk • blocks)

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Decline reason: That block is anon-only and will not prevent you from editing, provided you sign in with your account. Yamla (talk) 09:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Yamla; I always edit with this Wikipedia account. Out of the 20,000+ edits I have made, I may have only made one or two edits logged out, that too in the past and by mistake. So what else should I do? I am still getting the same message and am not able to edit Wikipedia as I have been doing these past few months. DTM (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Yamla, this is a screenshot of the blocked message that I am currently seeing while logged in. DTM (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Screenshot captured on 12 October 2021, at 15:26:03 India Standard Time

This block message is appearing on every page I try to edit other than this one. DTM (talk) 10:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

2nd/3rd Unblock request

I am following what it says on Wikipedia:Autoblock.

1. Step 1. Log in to my account.
2. Step 2. Check if sandbox can be edited. No, I can not edit my sandbox.
3. Step 3. Unblock request template. Paste the code at the bottom of your user talk page, and click save. This shouldn't apply— If you cannot edit your own talk page, use the Unblock Ticket Request System to make your request.

Using this template below once more. I am leaving the template blank because filling in the details above didn't help or I filled it incorrectly.
I request the admin/sysop to see the screenshot I have placed here. That is the error message I am getting. DTM (talk) 10:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

This blocked user's request to have autoblock on their IP address lifted has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request.

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Block message:

original block message

• Blocking administrator: not provided (talk • blocks)

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Decline reason: User says below that they can edit again, so request is moot. — Daniel Case (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Blocking admin

@Materialscientist: Is this block meant to be anon-only? If not, mind checking to see what the situation is wrt that block and this user? --Yamla (talk) 10:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

And now I can edit again. Thank you for following up with this. DTM (talk) 08:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Copyedit

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Line of Control has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. There are a number of places in the article where the information needs to be updated. I would suggest you identify these and try to find more recent information before submitting it for GA consideration. While I was editing the article another user removed information on sniper deaths. Their reason for doing so is unclear to me. I am assuming they view the Indian Army's reporting is exaggerated or wrong from the edit summary.

Best of luck with the GAN when you get to it.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Twofingered Typist, thank you for the copyedit and the comments/insight!

Before a GAN I will be sure to make the additions, patiently. DTM (talk) 08:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate how the GOCE process works.

IP block exemption

Hi DTM, if you are getting stuck in a range block, you might need to apply for a WP:IP block exemption. Have you looked into that? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:23, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi K3, yes, more than once with different appeals. It was only when admin/sysop Yamla pinged admin/sysop Materialscientist above and linked the Block log, that I realised the importance of the CheckUser keyword. The (UTRS) appeal also clearly displays the same under 'Block reason'.

screenshot of another one of DTM's failed attempts to use UTRS on 13 October 2021 at 09:15:08 Indian Standard Time

I guess now I just have to wait for Materialscientist. I sent a gentle prod email to Materialscientist of the same. I will wait for a reply.

I was collateral after this edit by an IP (19:06, 11 October 2021) DTM (talk) 04:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

LAC is live, territory loss, non-committal and doctrine of force

User:Kautilya3, a very important retrospective quote from Takshashila's recent discussion document that acknowledges territory loss:

In spring of 2020, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) occupied fresh territory on the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control and prevented Indian troops from patrolling where they have for several years, resulting in the deaths of soldiers on the border for the first time in 45 years. India now has a live border with China—militarised and disputed—undoing the work of several years.

This can be summarised to add weightage to the intro/lede/body of 2020–2021 China–India skirmishes. Nothing new, but a solid quote with a notable list of authors. (If I am blocked permanently please do add this if you feel it will serve the purpose.) One of the authors wrote a follow-up opinion piece with some interesting phrases. DTM (talk) 05:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you are unblocked now. Please go ahead. I am doing "wikivoyage" to Tawang :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

References

Your GA nomination of Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act (2019)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act (2019) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TrangaBellam -- TrangaBellam (talk) 18:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Time to axe India Today?

Sushant Singh comments on the PLA video releases and, in the article, links to the Wikipedia section B._Santosh_Babu#Death. This is the first time I have seen anybody do so.

I haven't looked at the section before. I now see that it is loaded with India Today narratives, which have been quite suspect throughout the Modi Raj. It may be time to take it to WP:RSN so that we don't get stuck in infamy. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3, B. Santosh Babu does not have too many India Today sources. Out of the 27 references, three are from India Today. However, as you point out, they have been used multiple times with a lot of content taken out from it in the section on his death. In general that article needs a lot of work to meet Wikipedia B quality standard.

"This is the first time I have seen anybody do so." I've raised this issue with you once before with another author on Wikipedia. So the second time...

I personally scan every single reference, irrespective of country and media house, against Wikipedia guidelines and policies irrespective of whether it has been flagged or not. Every Wikipedia editor has his own methods and prejudices and timelines for this. As for RSN and WP:RSP, every widely used source should go through some sort of reliability discussion, thats what RSN and RSP are for. (The reliability of the discussion about the reliability of the reference is another matter altogether, but something that Wikipedia processes are able to manage). DTM (talk) 12:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I read the section a bit more carefully. DTM (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Omomp

What just happened? Why was the message reverted? I thought a barn-star was in the making. Sad. DTM (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorting out the Doklam dispute

A twitter thread for you. (Please scroll to the top.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Imagine the mess of trying to officially amend/update the Convention of Calcutta. DTM (talk) 15:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It has to be done, because the trijunction can't be decided any other way. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Incidentally, Richard Temple's map is already present on commons. I notice that you uploaded a low-res cut out. Can you get it deleted? We can cut whatever we want from the original.

You would be pleased to note that Nathu La is not marked on this map. And Gangtok doesn't exist! I am sure all those "silk route" afficianados will have a heart attack. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I requested a speedy delete over at commons.

Yes! Nathu La is not marked. This is the case with so many maps. Here is a randomly selected sample. Red crosses N and green ticks Y represent whether Nathu La is marked or not. Orange crosses N and purple ticks Y represent whether Gangtok is marked or not.

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  N N (Tumlong marked) 1881 Map of Sikkim by Sir Richard Temple
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  Y Y Detail from a map of Sikkim showing the principal theatre of war of the Sikkim expedition of 1888 (Paget, William Henry; 1907)
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  N Y 1898 Sikhim and Adjoining Territories by Laurence Waddell
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  N Y 1903 by William O'Connor
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  N Y 1907 map by JG Bartholomew
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  N Y 1910 Map of Chumbi Valley (John Claude White)
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  N Y 1912 National Geographic Magazine map of China and its territories by Bartholomew, J. G. (John George)
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  Y Y 1923 map of Sikkim (Survey of India)
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  Y Y Map of Sikkim (Survey of India, 1937)
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  N (Gangtok Lhasa trade route marked) Y 1955 by US Army Map Service
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  Y Y 1965 by US Central Intelligence Agency
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  Y Y 1965 Sikkim (CIA)
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  Y Y Sikkim and adjacent areas (CIA, 1981)

DTM (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

No, this is not a "statistical" issue. Nathu La wasn't marked on the 1881 map because Gangtok didn't yet exist. (If you recall, it was just being built in 1873, as per Edgar's report.) The royals were building a new palace there, not sure why, even though Tumlong was still the capital. In 1894, the capital was shifted to Gangtok. It was only around then that Nathu La would have come into regular use.

Nathu La is a better route from the Tibetan side. But Jelep La continued to be used because Kalimpong was a better destination. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Rezang La: Your map is now apparently published

Scroll down till the Product description: https://www.amazon.in/Battle-Rezang-Kulpreet-Yadav/dp/0143452053. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

It is there in the book as well. I had the chance to go through the book. The description of the eight waves is gripping! DTM (talk) 10:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The first image here is a 3-D model of the Rezang La - Spanggur area. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

What do you say about using this image as a source for placing "Zebra Hill" into File:Ladakh LAC Pangong Tso Spanggur Tso Landmarks.jpg? DTM (talk) 10:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

At Rice University 1962

This is such an epic address! DTM (talk) 13:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I tried to imagine Trump being able to read one of those sentences without fumbling. I couldn't :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

More toddlers can understand Trump as compared to any other President. (Flesch–Kincaid readability tests via analysis (2:50) of Trump by Nerdwriter/Evan Puschak) DTM (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Map set

A set of four images. Is there any fifth or sixth... image that could be added to this set? DTM (talk) 17:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Controlled/administered and claimed territory in Kashmir

Administered regions

India's claim

Pakistan's claim

China's claim

I don't think these are correct. Pakistan has not defined the eastern border of its claim. Neither has China defined its western border officially. Whatever is depicted on Chinese maps changes practically every year, anyway, and it definitely doesn't match what India or any other country draws. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:43, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; Here is another source to support this diagram. pg 8. You removed the map set from Kashmir Conflict. I am adding this back with this source. Your revert edit summary stated "we need better sources for documenting "national stances""... this source covers the map. So now we have two sources for the same. To be more exact, OpenStreetMap can be mentioned/ relied upon as has been done with various OSM maps in 2020–2021 China–India skirmishes and articles such as Longju and Pangda. DTM (talk) 03:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I am afraid you fundamentally misunderstand what the sources say. They are only depicting lines of administration, not claims. They might say XY area is also claimed by Z. But that does not mean that they know precisely Z's claim line. You simply can't label these as "national stances", unless you have official maps published by these countries by authorised agencies. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; This book (pg 305; Figure 7.28) says "claim" with a nice diagram of Kashmir elaborating the same. There are some deviations which have been noted and will be incorporated as per the other two references here. And I will remove the phrase "national stance". How about that? I've changed it to "Controlled/administered and claimed territory in Kashmir". This is strictly as per the words used by the references. DTM (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

This map is the same as earlier. Administrative boundaries. "Claims" stated, not claim lines.

Why don't you just reproduce Figure 7.28? Why do you need many maps? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; following your mention of "official maps", here are two more links to back up this map set, specifically to back up claims. Official maps:

• Via Survey of Pakistan 2020. link Pakistan's official political map does not define the western border of Ladakh, the map set can be adjusted accordingly. While Commons does not have this specific map, other maps on Commons of Pakistan try to represent this undefined border.

• India's official maps following reorganisation link

This source from Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik also represents claims of Pakistan, India and China in different maps. They even show the undefined border. They use the same references we are using in this conversation.

To answer your question, individual maps are visually more clear in conveying claims. Further, once detail and complexities are introduced such as that Pakistan's claim in western Ladakh is not defined, presenting this all on one map makes it bulky. This is not only for readers who interact with Kashmir a lot, but for those who are seeing a map of Kashmir for the first time. It provides more visual clarity than a single map, even though both may ultimately convey the same information.

This map set does not aim to replace usage of any current maps related to Kashmir on Wikipedia. This includes the most commonly used maps-

Further, these two maps above do not intend to represent claims in the first place, other than the top one showing disputed area between India and China. It says nothing of official claims by India and Pakistan with respect to each other, also taking into account the ceasefire line. (edit though the caption could be framed in such a way, but I am laying more emphasis on visuals here)

When you say, why not in one map, there is already one in commons. However this does not show the undefined border of Pakistan. Also, compare this with the map set. The map set conveys the claims visually much faster, and can also include more complexities without making a single map too bulky.

DTM (talk) 04:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Simply put, I think representing claims on different maps is visually more clear. That's all. DTM (talk) 04:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe rather than using the word "claim", some other word could be used, more relevant to cartography DTM (talk) 04:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Both Fowler&fowler and I, who have done the most writing on the Kashmir conflict issues, have always supported putting the CIA map on our pages and nothing else. Various claims that the individual countries make are of no value whatsover, except to appease their nationalist populations. If the Wikimedia tells us that we are legally required to include any claim maps, I will ask them to get the copyright released for the official maps, and then I will include them without any comment.

The DWP paper that you have cited, which is quite valuable, has an official map of the Survey of Pakistan. The only difference between that and the CIA map is that it extends the LOC across Siachen. And, we know that that is facutally false. The LOC is defined in a signed document, and it ends at NJ9842. And then the eastern border is "undefined". Why do we need a picture to say that something is undefined? It can be said in words equally well.

The Chinese claims map in the paper are reproduced from Al Jazeera, which was just made up by a journalist with no authenticity whatsoever. Newspapers are only reliable for "news", not for archivable information. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Notes

References

McMahon Line

Kyang Thang's history-making twitter thread [1]! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Nice. However, I feel they emphasize a tad too much on watersheds - there were certain areas where McMahon was evidently considering ethnic frontiers.

I have been always interested in how the SOI Line came into existence. What explains its peculiar nature? TrangaBellam (talk) 12:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I really like the thread and the analysis. While initially skimming through it I started smiling while scrolling down. It stretched my imagination— I was like Mr Henry, le, ab apna line bana (trans. here, now make your line). DTM (talk) 12:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that probably represents of years of study. Kyang Thang knows the McMahon Line inside out. Shivshankar Menon was following the thread. So hopefully, it made it to the MEA and NSA circles. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

FYI

DTM and Kautilya3,

FYI, new roads and tunnels. Enjoy the short read.

Most are in Western sector on LOC. Some are also feeder roads and tunnels for the North sector, Siachen AGPL, SSN, LAC and ICBR. Since I am on cell phone, I can not edit.

जम्मू-कश्मीर में नए राष्ट्रीय राजमार्गों और सुरंगों का निर्माण।

गडकरी ने वहां 25 नई परियोजनाओं का उद्घाटन किया।

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/gadkari-to-launch-rs-11721-cr-worth-road-projects-in-doda-tomorrow/

and https://kashmirreader.com/2021/11/25/gadkari-lays-foundation-stone-of-25-nh-projects-in-jk/

क. जम्मू कश्मीर में पांच नई सुरंगें

नई सुरंगों का Google मानचित्र स्थान तेज सैनिकों की तैनाती के लिए यात्रा के समय को कम करेगा, सुंगल मौजूदा सुरंग को बढ़ाया जा रहा है जो अखनूर डैगर (पाकिस्तान का चिकन नेक कॉरिडोर, सिलुगुरी कॉरिडोर में भारत की चिकन गर्दन या चुम्बी घाटी में चीन की चिक नेक के साथ भ्रमित नहीं होना चाहिए) सिक्किम-भूटान जंक्शन)।

बाकी ग्रीनफील्ड नई सुरंगें हैं जैसे

ए1. एलओसी पर भिंबर सेक्टर के पास नौशेरा सुरंग,

ए 2. राजौरी-बनिहाल मार्ग पर कंडी सुरंग,

ए3. रामबन-बनिहाल मार्ग पर डिगडोल-मारोक,

ए4. जम्मू-उधमपुर-पटनीटॉप-किश्तवाड़ मार्ग पर पटनीटॉप के पास चेनानी-नाशरी सुरंग,

ए5. डोडा के पास खेलानी सुरंग

सुरंगों का गूगल मैप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Sungal/Naushera/Kandi/Khellani/Marog/Digdol/Chenani-Nashri+Tunnel/@33.148867,74.3168843,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m44!4m43!1m5!1m1!1s0x391e60d695feb407:0xb7f998bb189ef4e4!2m2!1d74.6576091!2d32.9026903!1m5!1m1!1s0x391e3557cfe459df:0x7f36ae44e72dfe9d!2m2!1d74.2443436!2d33.1603855!1m5!1m1!1s0x391e23096da694fd:0x253a693e64b984b1!2m2!1d74.528751!2d33.39126!1m5!1m1!1s0x391dbabec981bfc5:0x4af281366b4a86be!2m2!1d75.5104711!2d33.1410369!1m5!1m1!1s0x391de83019c48aa1:0xf1ae39437717063a!2m2!1d75.1910166!2d33.2720769!1m5!1m1!1s0x391de85fab828849:0xa1c7239e8edd11a7!2m2!1d75.1793444!2d33.3008542!1m5!1m1!1s0x391dc64d66763d91:0x3d1863fce295a495!2m2!1d75.2863796!2d33.0884647!3e2

ख. जम्मू कश्मीर के नए असंबद्ध क्षेत्रों में छह हरितक्षेत्र वाले नए राष्ट्रीय राजमार्ग

नए ग्रीनफील्ड राष्ट्रीय राजमार्ग इस प्रकार हैं, इन क्षेत्रों में पहले सड़कें नहीं थीं, ये अनावश्यक और छोटे रसद यात्रा मार्ग प्रदान करेंगे और आंदोलनकारियों और जिहादी प्रदर्शनकारियों द्वारा सड़क ब्लॉक के जोखिम को कम करेंगे।

बी1. कठुआ-महानौर-बशोली-बनी-भद्रवाह-डोडा (170 किमी) इस सड़क का गूगल मैप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Kathua/Mahanpur/Basoli/Bani/Bhaderwah/Doda/Bhaderwah+182222/Chamba,+Himachal+Pradesh,+India/@32.7597963,75.2611002,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m50!4m49!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c7081537261a3:0x6b2bc5f7745c08c0!2m2!1d75.5173465!2d32.3863082!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c616c2d8f28cb:0xc15e39ee080a0c4f!2m2!1d75.648679!2d32.5363738!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c8ed7315a11e5:0x3e6a8f6f908b1630!2m2!1d75.8107712!2d32.5038195!1m5!1m1!1s0x391cf3fa88a9666b:0xc5894873079c917f!2m2!1d75.8156257!2d32.7079008!1m5!1m1!1s0x391daaa8022e53df:0x831dd97d9b224586!2m2!1d75.7109806!2d32.9830255!1m5!1m1!1s0x391da53edcdb5c2b:0x15bd4176ba891564!2m2!1d75.5480491!2d33.1457497!1m5!1m1!1s0x391daaa8022e53df:0x831dd97d9b224586!2m2!1d75.7109806!2d32.9830255!1m5!1m1!1s0x391cbdcc1d2b79c9:0x4d6719d7059007af!2m2!1d76.1258083!2d32.5533633!3e2

बी 2. डोडा-भद्रवाह-चंबा (हिमाचल) रोड (132 किमी); नक्शा: ऊपर B1 के लिए नक्शा देखें।

बी3. दयालचक-चालान-बिल्लावर-महानपुर-बसोहली रोड (118 किमी); गूगल मेप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Dayalachak+Road/32.6316109,75.3562584/Billawar/Mahanpur/Basohli/@32.5794075,74.990448,9z/data=!4m27!4m26!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c139a76c01157:0x5d9b67d4e3f3f2d1!2m2!1d75.2833169!2d32.4622167!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c5df23cb22e13:0x60279174496afb46!2m2!1d75.6040772!2d32.6135709!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c616c2d8f28cb:0xc15e39ee080a0c4f!2m2!1d75.648679!2d32.5363738!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c8ed7315a11e5:0x3e6a8f6f908b1630!2m2!1d75.8107712!2d32.5038195!3e2

बी 4। मौजूदा तवी ब्रिज-जम्मू एयरपोर्ट-मीरन साहिब-आर.एस.पुरा सुचेतगढ़ (पुराना जम्मू-सियालकोट रोड) (29 किमी) सड़क को राष्ट्रीय राजमार्ग मानक में अपग्रेड करना

गूगल मैप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Dayalachak+Road/32.6316109,75.3562584/Billawar/Mahanpur/Basohli/@32.5794075,74.990448,9z/data=!4m27!4m26!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c139a76c01157:0x5d9b67d4e3f3f2d1!2m2!1d75.2833169!2d32.4622167!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c5df23cb22e13:0x60279174496afb46!2m2!1d75.6040772!2d32.6135709!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c616c2d8f28cb:0xc15e39ee080a0c4f!2m2!1d75.648679!2d32.5363738!1m5!1m1!1s0x391c8ed7315a11e5:0x3e6a8f6f908b1630!2m2!1d75.8107712!2d32.5038195!3e2

बी5. सुरनकोट-बफलियाज-शोपियां-श्रीनगर (मुगल रोड) (145 किमी); गूगल मेप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Surankot/Bafliaz/Shopian/Srinagar/@33.8270252,73.445563,8z/data=!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x38e1d2f6418cd433:0x949a627ff9c58acf!2m2!1d74.2634159!2d33.6398695!1m5!1m1!1s0x38e1d73e29a97775:0x94a76aa5b9e3f700!2m2!1d74.3893965!2d33.5757115!1m5!1m1!1s0x38e1fa620c74ed2f:0xd975633ad29cbf45!2m2!1d74.8360918!2d33.7170033!1m5!1m1!1s0x38e1855686e3c5ef:0x66244b7cc1e305c6!2m2!1d74.7972825!2d34.0836708!3e2

बी6. अथोली (किश्तवाड़)-मछैल-जांस्कर रोड (कारगिल); नारबल-तांगमर्ग-गुलमर्ग-बारामूला (70 किमी)। गूगल मेप https://www.google.com.sg/maps/dir/Kishtwar/Keylong-Tandi-Kishtwar+Rd,+Padder/Machail/Zanskar/@33.302776,75.7505777,9z/data=!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x391d0b25ce61e48d:0xda622690fce4a68f!2m2!1d75.7662195!2d33.3115906!1m5!1m1!1s0x391d292b9a550d53:0x21e9746290866cf8!2m2!1d76.1137962!2d33.2830101!1m5!1m1!1s0x391d35f891b981c7:0xc275509ff00b4264!2m2!1d76.3695167!2d33.3913211!1m5!1m1!1s0x390291f2ae1b57bb:0x736eba6f94fd593a!2m2!1d76.987755!2d33.562562!3e2

Thanks. 58.182.150.117 (talk) 00:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hunger and nutrition and food and malnutrition and hunger and hunger and hunger

I am not sure if there is already an article covering this and what it should be called:

• 2021 hunger crisis in Afghanistan
• 2021 humanitarian crisis Afghanistan

Or just pack it in with all the other impacts:

• War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)#Impact

Does this come under:

• Akhand Bharat

Is the interpretation one that includes Afghanistan or just refers to an undivided India under the current boundaries? Or is it an abstract concept, a catchphrase, like:

• Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

Or maybe this line of thought is an emotional over-reaction based on some news headlines and it is still not notable enough according to Wikipedia guidelines and policies to create a separate article. Create a draft then. Clinically, while editing M. S. Swaminathan, this line of thought, his dream of, and his practical efforts towards, zero hunger, is so so so far away. The farmers' protest goes on. The hundreds of recommendations of the expert committees. The rankings of hunger and nutrition.
(If you're wondering what this is, it is just a reminder for myself to see if new articles are required, or if content needs to be added into existing ones. Some words I am just randomly adding and ending with which mean nothing- We know the answers. Not the solutions.)
DTM (talk) 14:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

"Global World Hunger (GHI) index ... ranked Afghanistan at 103, just two positions after India, which was ranked 101." It can't be that bad. Then again, I don't think food rankings help us in understanding such situations.

Dastarkhwan-e-Meli started months ago DTM (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Then there is the recent days/hours old National Family Health Survey (NFHS 5) factsheet. DTM (talk) 05:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Sons sold for food in Afghanistan; and this was in 2002 >>

Akthar Mohammed of Kangori, a remote hamlet in the mountains of northern Afghanistan, had a large family and no food for them. He had a terrible choice to make. He was offered wheat in exchange for his sons, Sher and Baz, aged ten and five. He gave up his sons and heartbrokenly, but candidly, said, “I miss my sons, but there was nothing to eat.”

Sons must be older by now. DTM (talk) 06:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

References

When your Gods fall

to do- Hubris, God complex, Messiah complex, Machiavellianism, Grandiosity, Impulsivity, Pathological lying, Superficial charm, Entitlement, Apathy, Sentimentality, Awe, Calmness, Empathy, Social connection, Wonder DTM (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest

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Happy New Year 2022 DTM

Hi DTM

Happy New Year
Thanks for your Balanced Contributions on Wikipedia

Jhy.rjwk (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year, DTM!
Thank you for all the amazing work you do on Wikipedia!

Kautilya3 (talk) 23:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3, thank you so much too! A Happy New Year to you as well. DTM (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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Some bubble tea for you!

Thanks ਰਵੀ ਸਹਿਗਲ (talk) 07:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Another one line bites the dust?

This is funny... funny in reference to the process of coming to this stage on OSM... as if someone who is trying to make the line, throws up their hands and says, I give up. If this is thought out, it is nothing new, but nevertheless surreal. (Note to readers: OSM keeps updating, the map may not look the same tomorrow, so what is being referenced may disappear... speaking of updates, a snapshot indeed...). DTM (talk) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

800km
500miles

  

lol

Some other people also quizzed me about the missing China-India border. The problem is that I don't even know whom to complain to. We know that the Wikipedia's mapping engine takes months-old data from OSM. That means that it is reflecting some old data, which may now be gone. I went through the Ladakh boundary yesterday and fixed all the bugs I could find. It was quite a task. (They were not serious bugs, but it all depends on how seriously the rendering enging is taking them.) I haven't looked at the rest of the border yet. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, it is not bugs. It is India. On Sentinel, only those pieces of the border that match with India's IB are being shown. Other bits removed. As a retaliation to India's edicts, they have also completely removed Arunachal.

On Wikipedia, we are at least seeing the state boundaries. But for Arunachal, even the state boundaries are gone.

This is Tuglaq redux! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Thankfully, they haven't touched the Kashmir LOC. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration effort

• Kautilya3, hey! we have spent quite sometime with maps on Wikipedia over a range of articles. Lets create a short write-up about mapping with reference to this region on Wikipedia or... you suggest some points and directions for the write-up... For a Signpost article since I have no where else to publish it and it is best to keep this within the confines of Wikipedia. Further this write-up can then be more Wikipedia specific. DTM (talk) 07:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds like a good idea. You are the lead on this, being the Signpost pro! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Forget this is for Signpost for the moment. I will go back into my editing history and write a few sentences so you can catch on to what I intend and if it is even worth the effort and how to make it worth the effort. DTM (talk) 13:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; This is what I had in mind Draft:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir... just a start but this should give a better sense of what I intend. It is for Wikipedia space and not userspace as this needs multiple editors. DTM (talk) 04:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China

FINAL LOCATION—

Moved to Draft talk:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir

 – DTM (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi DTM, I don't know if the Wikipedia spae is meant for local issues of this kind. But anything like this would have to normally originate from WT:INDIA and WT:PAK, and that would happen only if Kashmir becomes a burning problem. But right now, the burning problem is China. Take a look at Talk:Debt-trap diplomacy. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposal

Stage 1: Brainstorming

• Title - Proposal to develop consensus on good practices related to the representation of the Kashmir conflict dispute and associated regions on maps on Wikipedia.
• Objective 1 - The proposal, through discussion, aims to develop some examples, map sets, as suggested templates.
• Objective 2 - Explanations developed through consensus will be provided for preference for specific maps.
• Objective 3 - Articles which also represent Kashmir through maps must use more than one map. An explanation for this will be developed.
• Scope - This only refers to a handful of articles related to the Kashmir conflict.

DTM (talk) 08:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler, any short opening comments on this? DTM (talk) 08:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

It won't fly. The Pakistan project and several others need to be on board. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

PS It is not the Kashmir conflict; it is the Kashmir dispute. See Kashmir. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler; It doesn't need to fly, run or even walk or crawl or even... sleep. Who said Pakistan project can't be on it? This is just Wikipedia right? Changed the error from conflict to dispute. :D DTM (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler; I am also part of the Pakistan project. I spent sometime on Pakistan Monument recently. And with other articles in the past. I've worked on the LOC article quite a bit etc etc. I am a part of that too. DTM (talk) 07:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

One of the first articles I created on Kashmir was Peacebuilding in Jammu and Kashmir. That is also now a part of the Pakistan project! DTM (talk) 07:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Before 'several others' are connected with this, you say what could be done... or do you want to tag users? I would really appreciate that. Where do you want to this shift conversation... a more appropriate location? DTM (talk) 07:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

First you should have this discussion on Talk:Kashmir, not on your user talk page. Second, there is only one map, the CIA map being used in all Kashmir subregion articles (and Kashmir as well). It is based on a hard-won consensus in

• Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_69#A_proposal_for_Kashmir-related_pages_on_this_notable_day_for_India_and_Pakistan and
• Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_69#Uniform_format_for_infobox_of_Kashmir-related_first-order_division_articles. Over a dozen administrators were on board. I don't see any value in your proposal. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler, thank you for the reply. I do note all of this and the links add to this greatly. I guess your reply is a reflection of how I brought this up with very minimal information. You've already shot ahead. This covers more than that map. A lot more. Next, this is talking of good practices. Advisory stuff. A CBM effort. And why Talk:Kashmir? Placing it there restricts the scope of the discussion. Let me see if I can think of a better location (say since talk pages don't allow visual editing), other than what you have suggested. My fault for throwing half-baked draft objectives at you for brainstorming... nevertheless the few points have helped. DTM (talk) 13:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler; As I tagged K3 above, this is what I intend.—Draft:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir— It is just a start but this should give you a better idea of what I intend. Since this discussion should be in one location, and other editors need to be informed, I will leave a message on WikiProject pages, and then direct everything to the talk page of the draft. DTM (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China

FINAL LOCATION—

Moved to Draft talk:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir

 – DTM (talk) 04:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I suggest that you not engage in this silliness. I see your edits thus far in general Kashmir-related articles as politely but determinedly promoting the official Indian POV, and inadvertently perhaps the Hindu nationalist POV. You have not given evidence in your edits of the kind of neutrality that is needed for writing such an essay. I see no mention on WT:INDIA or Pakistan either. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

• You're welcome to try of course but I doubt a one size will fit all approach is going to work. Regardless, I've tagged the talk page of the draft so that all editors are aware of DS in the area and will continue to monitor the discussion. I assume that both you as well as f&f are aware of the DS sanctions in this area and so am not going to template either of you. Please do confirm this though, for clarity :) --RegentsPark (comment) 15:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

• Yes, I am. But I don't know when I received the template. Please template me again, so I can put it in a prominent place on my talk page Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

• I'm not going to template either of you, I don't think that's an issue at all. My concern is that the topic often attracts editors who aren't able to leave their biases at home. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: Allow me to apologize for my intemperate outburst above. I did not get enough sleep last night. When I happened upon your post this morning, I was more cranky than usual. Having now taken a nap and hopefully, more alert, allow me to rephrase my objection.

First, I don't think you are a POV-pusher in the sense of someone who has been deliberately promoting biased content. Your article Shaheen Bagh protests in my limited cursory reading of it some time ago was an admirable attempt at being neutral and written in the best traditions of Wikipedia.

Second, Kashmir is a different type of issue. Entire nations have blind spots there, even their most liberal media. It has been that way since 1947 through liberal and conservative governments alike in South Asia.

Third, Third-party sources are needed. In my view, it is best that their descriptions, assessments, consensuses, and disagreements play out on the individual Kashmir-related pages (including their characterizations of the various national POVs) rather an in a meta essay. The reason is that the third-party sources differ on different aspects of the issue, and one essay covering the whole ground will become both rambling and confusing to a novice Wikipedia reader.

Fourth, a meta essay might also become a battleground for the various national POVs, which the Kashmir-related pages with their more limited compass might avoid becoming.

Fifth, To consider an example: contrasted with many countries in the West, nationalism came a century later to South Asia and China. The kinds of referendums and decision-making taking place in Canada (Quebec), the UK (Scotland) for a referendum for secession, West- and East Germany (for union), Czechoslovakia (for partition into the Czech Republic and Slovakia), or the Soviet Union for a devolution into the various independent countries (Slovenia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakstan, ...) are nowhere on the horizon in South Asia or China. (And even in the West, the US is notoriously more attached to territoriality than Canada.) Without restricting to third-party sources how do you even begin to characterize such antecedents on the topic of the plebiscite in Kashmir?

Sixth, How do you characterize Human Rights in Kashmir, where the various national governments do their level best to curtail the flow of information?

As RegentsPark, stated above, a "one size fits all" approach will not be fruitful.

I apologize again for imputing motives to you that I now consider uncharacteristic of your history. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings
		Here's wishing you a marvellous holiday and the best of 2022 Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Seasons greetings to you as well. Thank you! DTM (talk) 13:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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Kashmiri Hindu Exodus Related

I wanted to request you to take note of some points regarding the K.H. Exodus Page, as I may have to take some time away from Wikipedia.

Many scholars have noted the Kashmiri Hindu migration in the reign of Sikandar Shah Miri (also known as Sikandar Butshikan),(1389-1413 as the first exodus of Kashmiri Hindus.

A related quote from Bill K. Koul, 2020 The Exiled Pandits of Kashmir: Will They Ever Return Home? Page 208

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Exiled_Pandits_of_Kashmir/CW78DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=first+exodus+of+kashmiri+Pandits+Sikandar&pg=PA208&printsec=frontcover

Sultan Sikandar Butshikan initiated the first wave of exodus of many Pandits from the valley.

Even Mridu Rai accepts the persecution memories of Sikandar Shah on Page 286

In the course of this mass migration, Kashmiri Pandits have recalled memories of the persecutions of Sultan Sikandar

A quote from D. N. Dhar · 2005 Kashmir, a Kaleidoscopic View - Page 76

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Kashmir_a_Kaleidoscopic_View/p0NuAAAAMAAJhl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=first+exodus+of+kashmiri+Pandits+Sikandar&dq=first+exodus+of+kashmiri+Pandits+Sikandar&printsec=frontcover

Kashmiri Pandits... When the first exodus took place during the time of Sikander Butshiken

I think the widely cited oppression of the Kashmiri Hindus in the reign of Sikandar Shah Miri (1389-1413) deserves a brief mention in the lead, or at least in the beginning of the Background.

Please note extensive Citations below mentioning persecution in Kashmiri Hindus and Buddhists under Sikandar Butshikan's reign.

• Aggarwal, Neil (2008-07-01), "Kashmiriyat as Empty Signifier", Interventions, 10 (2): 222–235, doi:10.1080/13698010802145150, ISSN 1369-801X, S2CID 143912163
• AHMAD, AZIZ (1979), "Conversions to Islam in the Valley of Kashmir", Central Asiatic Journal, 23 (1/2): 3–18, ISSN 0008-9192, JSTOR 41927246
• Hasan, Mohibbul (2005), Kashmīr Under the Sultāns, Aakar Books, pp. 59–95, ISBN 978-81-87879-49-7
• Slaje, Walter (2019), "A Glimpse into the Happy Valley's Unhappy Past: Violence and Brahmin Warfare in Pre-Mughal Kashmir", Brahma's Curse : Facets of Political and Social Violence in Premodern Kashmir, Studia Indologica Universitatis Halensis - 13, p. 5, ISBN 978-3-86977-199-1
• Witzel, Michael (September 1991), The Brahmins of Kashmir (PDF)
• Accardi, Dean (2017), "Embedded Mystics: Writing Lal Ded and Nund Rishi into the Kashmiri Landscape", Kashmir: History, Politics, Representation, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 247–264, ISBN 978-1-107-18197-7, retrieved 2021-02-03

Meanwhile, given the increasing content for Background, we may rename Background to "Historical background", and add several relevant subsections such as Reign of Sikandar Shah Miri (1389-1413), Mughal Kashmir, Durrani Empire (1752–1819), Dogra rule (1846-1947), 1947 Accession to India, 1950 Land reforms, 1975 Indira–Sheikh Accord, 1990's Insurgency..

Jhy.rjwk (talk) 18:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Anubhav Singh Bassi for deletion

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Juggyevil (talk) 12:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Anubhav Singh Bassi for deletion

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Juggyevil (talk) 12:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Juggyevil; hi; In principle (theory) I would even agree to a speedyX2 delete. But then that would/could be rash with this article (history). I do think it will be deleted though, one or two speedy/delete/keep comments will clear things up.

Meanwhile,

This talk page notification popped up while I was exploring a new part of Wikipedia under its pillars. Imagine if Russia agrees to the emergency 11th UNGA session... and USA would then abstain right... Just make sure the circle is large enough so we don't notice the direction. What is this type of humour- satire...lame? Oh dear, one more article in my To Do list "Comedy"... BUT HOLD ON.... is the theory of comedy boring???... ^[Humor]

psst its not a circle... its a.... octagon? no....Order-5 tesseractic honeycomb?...yes...^[Humor] DTM (talk) 13:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

DTMExplained: Deletion of Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus and AFD reason 'propaganda'

I nominated Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus for deletion (AFD) at 22:03, 3 January 2022 and wrote one word for the reason "propaganda". This was based on the article in general, how it was being edited by others during my interaction with the article, and the talk page conversations. But the AFD immediately succeeded an edit by another Wikipedia user, Fowler&fowler, where a quote (That this House commemorates with deep sadness...) was compressed and replaced by "a motion expressed in one sentence about a subject of interest of the nominator, but rarely discussed". Here both of us aren't abiding by Wikipedia policies in various way, and there is a severe lack of good faith. The current state of the article shows this lack of good faith.

Kautilya3 is correct when they wrote over at the ANI - Well, it won't be the first time somebody lost their head over Kashmir. DiplomatTesterMan, please take a break and cool off. I read this today and thank you for the comment, I did take a break. It is funny how the ANI section is titled "Compromised account".

Fowler&fowler pushed India towards a FA, I guess I should listen to that argument. My action should not have been an AFD, but a simple message pointing all this out on the talk page. I have stayed away from the article since the AFD and am ready to stay away long term in the same way I have stayed away from the article Crowd control in Jammu and Kashmir which I also nominated for deletion in 2019. However, I think I can work out and figure how to stay with the exodus talk page this time. DTM (talk) 11:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I suspected that somebody had breached into your devices. Btw, nice to see you back. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I have sadly long lost interest in that article. All the best to you and your co-authors. You have carte blanche to take out whatever portion I added at whatever intance of its past to bring it to your mutual liking. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:59, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the replies. DTM (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Udupi

Any chance that Nagarjuna Akkineni really wrote this? Or somebody at India Today playing a prank? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Karnataka hijab row; I see no one has quoted Nagarjuna in the article... a quote bo...^[Humor] DTM (talk) 13:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nor is it clearly not called 2022 Karnataka hijab and saffron scarves row... just thinking of the visuals everywhere. The Wikipedia users who have spent time on the Wikipedia article have given the article quite a bit of depth!

They have so many names!- Types of hijab. Reminds me of the parent articles 'Clothing in India' and 'History of clothing in the Indian subcontinent'. Oh just imagine fashion designers did a show on all this! Does this come under- Ministry of Textiles, no, from the Wikipedia article it seems this is a law and order situation. Sigh. National Institute of Fashion Technology studies this right? DTM (talk) 13:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: ping DTM (talk) 13:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Cool. You are the first one to have noticed all the fashion issues underlying the dispute. I don't know why no one else is interested! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: hi, let me see if I can help with this article, minor stuff, ce's etc. Then I will get a better idea if my fashion idea is plausible or not. It doesn't sound that good today. :) DTM (talk) 02:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I don't know if we need to discuss it. But the fact that the newspapers love to print their pictures day after day has gone unnoticed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019/GA1

DiplomatTesterMan, it's been nearly three months since the most recent section of the review has been posted on your nomination, and you have yet to do any edits to address the issues raised. Are you planning to return to it soon, or should the review be closed? Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

BlueMoonset hi. Thank you for the comment. I will leave a comment over at the review. DTM (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Anubhav Singh Bassi for deletion

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Juggyevil (talk) 12:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Juggyevil; hi; In principle (theory) I would even agree to a speedyX2 delete. But then that would/could be rash with this article (history). I do think it will be deleted though, one or two speedy/delete/keep comments will clear things up.

Meanwhile,

This talk page notification popped up while I was exploring a new part of Wikipedia under its pillars. Imagine if Russia agrees to the emergency 11th UNGA session... and USA would then abstain right... Just make sure the circle is large enough so we don't notice the direction. What is this type of humour- satire...lame? Oh dear, one more article in my To Do list "Comedy"... BUT HOLD ON.... is the theory of comedy boring???... ^[Humor]

psst its not a circle... its a.... octagon? no....Order-5 tesseractic honeycomb?...yes...^[Humor] DTM (talk) 13:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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Patna

Hello DTM, Would you please tell me how to renominate Patna for good article..., last time i was busy, so my nomination was failed. Thanks. — B203GTB (talk) • 11:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@B203GTB:; Hi! Glad to see you. So last time the conversation ended at Talk:Patna/GA1. We didn't even get past the infobox but I did write "isn't far from a GA tag". Well, spend sometime with the article. Check the basics (as per Wikipedia:Good article criteria) and make changes as needed. And then renominate. This would mean starting afresh a new nom (Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions).

I still stumble with technicalities related to all this sometimes so if you have further queries about the technicalities of the GA you could go here Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. DTM (talk) 12:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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Signpost suggestions

Re this request, some vague stuff that might have potential or be of use to you.

• I was intrigued by how closely this graph of South India wikipedia views aligns with school years; even intra-year spikes seem to precede quarterly/half-year exams. If that theory is right, it also shows a covid related drop.

• Talk:Cleopatra/Archive_5#Trending_article_throughout_2021 because Google Assitant suggests it. Talk:Bible/Archive_17#Why_is_this_trending? because of some promotion? Hemanthah (talk) 10:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for these! :) DTM (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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Request

Kautilya3, DiplomatTesterMan, please add what each of you have mentioned here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus#The_language_of_the_exodus - that talk page is semi-protected and I am unable to post there. 2402:8100:281F:BC6F:0:0:0:1 (talk) 00:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Seriously! Seriously! DTM (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)