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Concern regarding Draft:Ather Zia

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Concern regarding Draft:List of Indian military memorials

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test

test DTM (talk) 09:12, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Pictures?

Hi buddy, I hadn't noticed that you changed id. Been out of the loop for a a few weeks. Do you feel like taking your camera out? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Kautilya3, hi, I had a bunch of IDs to choose from... If I had a billion followers on Twitter I could have put out an opinion poll :D I just got over with it as fast as possible without much thought DTM (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Pictures... I have left a comment over on the talk page Talk:Bulldozer politics. DTM (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't like linking Johnson ("BoJo" as somebody branded him!) there. But the bulldozers are going to be roaring in Delhi for quite a while now. You can wait for a chance! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Kautilya3; Bulldozers and the Supertech demolition!!! I can't find any references that have connected the recent usage of bulldozers to the upcoming Supertech demolition - that only the poor are targeted? That will for sure be a photo event if it eventually takes place. Maybe another Wikipedia editor located close to the structure could be identified.

Jagmohan comes to mind. A quick google search throws up similar incidents from pre-2014 Delhi. Deja vu. Currently the article "Bulldozer politics" has nothing concrete about the legal aspects of all this, legalities of demolition drives in general, and how structures of criminals were legally being demolished not because they were criminals, but due to illegal property matters (where do they stay now?)....on another note, recently the CAG pulled up Bihar for the use of machines in MG-NREGA since it goes against the right to work. Extending this to bulldozer politics, instead of bulldozers, workers could be hired to destroy stuff using tools. So many working days generated?! (light banter Template:FBDB)

DTM (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is an article on the legality:

• Anmol Gupta, Jeff Joseph, Mukta Joshi, Despite BJP's Claims, Jahangirpuri Demolitions Were Far From a Legitimate Anti-Encroachment Drive, The Wire, 21 April 2022.

I don't know about Supertech, but the BJP has written to all its Delhi mayors that illegal structures should be demolished (bulldozed). -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Gautam Bhatia: "Jahangirpuri: Demolition, as vigilante justice, is illegal". Hindustan Times. 2022-04-22. ProQuest 2653302739. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:33, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Your GA nomination of The Kashmir Files

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article The Kashmir Files you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Fowler&fowler -- Fowler&fowler (talk) 14:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler; Continuing talk page conversations go on the talk page. DTM (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I have now closed the GA. I have stated in the past that you have the ability improve controversial articles because of the rigor and evenhandedness you bring to them. Please continue to improve the article and consider a resubmission in three to six months time when the dust of critical opinion has settled. All the best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Flagged?

Hi, DTM. I'm afraid I don't understand the reason you give for your removal of sourced text here. Could you please explain what "reference which is flagged" means? (PS, I expect you realize that it's an inconvenience for other editors when a signature has no relation to the username it represents. People have probably mentioned it before.) Bishonen | tålk 07:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC).

Bishonen; I explained this very nicely on the talk page :( the red black list notice that appear. I mentioned this on the talk page, connecting it to previous discussions. DTM (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I asked about a specific removal of text, and linked to the diff and quoted the edit summary. In the next few hours after it, you made 28 edits to the talkpage. I can't find one that explains the removal in question, and I'm a little surprised that you expect me to spend time digging for it. Please provide the diff to where you explain it very nicely. (I don't see anything like a "red black list notice that appear". Perhaps that depends on what skin one uses.) Bishonen | tålk 11:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC).

Yes. I have mentioned it on the talk page. Yes I see the highlighted text. DTM (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Bishonen Just restore it if you want. I'm tired for today. Will reply to this tomorrow. Editing another topic. DTM (talk) 12:01, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

It has already been restored; what I wanted to know was why you made it. Considering the dance you're leading me, I can only assume you didn't have a good reason. Any more unexplained removals of sourced content and I'll consider blocking you. If you're too tired to answer a reasonable request for a diff, while sending me to dig amongst 28 of them, have you considered how tiring that is for the person you're talking to? I'll await a proper answer tomorrow. (Since you continue to ignore my PS, I suppose you don't have a good answer for that either.) Bishonen | tålk 12:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC).

Bishonen block me now please.... DTM (talk) 12:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Your language and timing doesn't warrant my good faith. DTM (talk) 12:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

You need a reason.... umm go to hell Bishonen and fuck you DTM (talk) 12:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

DTM you should scratch the ill-considered responses above, and apologize. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Zelenskyy

Bishonen; Speeches by Volodymyr Zelenskyy during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, this is an interesting one. However suffers from the same problem as above. It can't be retrospective. DTM (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 May newsletter

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April 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Antarctica, you may be blocked from editing. Plantsurfer 13:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Antarctica cooling controversy. Plantsurfer 13:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours to prevent further vandalism. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Abecedare (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

• DTM, I am really sorry to have to do this but my interpretation is that your current vandalism spree, as well as your inexplicable interactions above and here, are essentially a plea to be blocked (or your account is compromised). I hope that whatever thecause behind these actions is resolved soon. If you need to communicate in private you can email me, if you wish. Abecedare (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Re:Barahoti map

I saw your email about creating/adding a map to the Barahoti article and whether it fell under the topic-ban. Since the region is disputed between India and China (thanks for including that information in the email!), I would regard it to fall under "Indian politics broadly construed". Other maps which don't have such issues, and are otherwise unrelated to politics, controversies etc, should be okay for you to edit but if in any doubt, ask, since we want to avoid any triggers or (even inadvertent) violations. In the future, you can post a request for clarification here on your talkpage, and ping me and/or Bishonen. Abecedare (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi DTM, Thanks for your work! You can upload any new maps to commons, and I can add them to the concerned pages if appropriate. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I will actually suggest Bish/Abecedare to carve an exception regarding discussion about maps (and only maps) on their talk-page - one of the area where DTM is highly competent. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:16, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

TB, I don't question DTM's contributions or capabilities in this area. However, given recent events, I think that it would be unwise for them to edit in areas of controversy where discussions can become messy, to put it mildly (see eg, 1, 2 and 3. all related to a proposed map of another disputed region). Also, in my experience, it helps to have clearer boundaries since once discussion starts, it can be difficult/counterproductive for admins to dictate how, when, and where an editor can respond (for example, speaking hypothetically, if someone were to object to some aspect of a Barahoti map DTM created, would DTM be allowed to defend their version with sources and arguments? Either we will be letting only one side of the debate to be aired; effectively undoing the topic-ban; or, setting up DTM to be baited into a block).

So, at the moment, I am reluctant to have carve-outs from the topic-ban. IMO it would be better if DTM edits in less stressful areas for say 6-months, and then, if they wish and feel up to it, ask for the topic-ban to be lifted altogether. Abecedare (talk) 22:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree completely with Abecedare. Bishonen | tålk 08:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC).

Thank you for this conversation. It has cleared things out for me with regard to maps. DTM (talk) 12:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC) FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Concern regarding Draft:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir

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I want to archive all the sections on my talk page, usually wrapping up individual sections as needed before the archive. With respect to this section, I had never checked what happened to this draft page after my initial edit. (Communication issues on my side or whatever you call it.) With the intention of deleting this I requested a CSD just now. Very minor panic- I opened WP:TBAN and read it for the first time. I undid the CSD. For the first time I realized that someone else had made edits to this page. :P anyway,

Abecedare, hi! I wanted to confirm,

A) in the coming weeks I want to archive the topic ban section on this talk page. Or should I let it stay?

B) apart from the difference between revisions url of your edit with the unblock and conditions, is my topic ban recorded or listed anywhere else in Wikipedia such as Wikipedia:Editing restrictions?

C) If not the talk page, is it enough to just mention the topic ban on my userpage or is even that not necessary? (I understand that if I want to personally place it there that is another matter)

Hope you are well. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 15:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Quick answers:

(A) Yes, you are free to archive your talkpage (including the sections related to the block and topic-ban) as you see fit.

(B) The Wikipedia:Editing restrictions is effectively defunct so the topic-ban is only logged in your talkpage history, in your block-log (by reference), and in the memory of some users (most importantly, yours!). Yes, this reliance on individual memory is a systemic deficiency in wikipedia practices but I am not too concerned in this particular case because, (a) I AGF that you'll abide with the restriction, and (b) given how contentious this topic-area is, if you step over the line, you and I both know that someone will surely rush to report it.

(C) You are welcome to mention the topic-ban on your user/talkpage, and it may even be a good idea to do so, but it is not a requirement.

Hope that helps. Happy editing! Abecedare (talk) 16:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

PS: I have deleted Draft:Wikipedia:Good practices for Wikipedia editors related to Kashmir per G7 + a dose of common sense. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 16:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 07:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

June 2022 Good Article Nominations backlog drive

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Nomination of Pushpam Priya Choudhary for deletion

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I am sorry I do not understand you

As far as I know bots copy the titles. No, I do not know how to write full citations and I am so old, that it is to late to learn.Xx236 (talk) 10:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

The header here sounds like a bot wrote this as well. If they're (bots) taking care of the titles as well... full cite/partial cite/just a title oh ok ok. Wait! Am I the bot who you are talking about, who will "copy the titles"? Ok. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk)

Wikipedia:reFill. Hmmm. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 12:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Action bias

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		Hook update
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DYK for Failure to launch

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		Hook update
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theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow, nice going! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, yes!!! 👏 — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Atmanirbhar Bharat

Thank you. I had placed this for a copyedit (WP:GOCE/REQ) before my topic ban. My topic ban covers this. Thank you again for taking it up. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 01:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That is to say that at this stage I will not be able to comment on changes. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 01:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

No problem, I understand you cannot comment; I hadn't read about the matter before I opened this section. Feel free to remove this section. If you remove it, I won't post on your page when I've finished the c/e. Best of luck and cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Guns don't kill

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April 2022

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for reasons you outlined in the email you sent me.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Abecedare (talk) 06:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

 Administrator note Admins reviewing this block can contact me or User:Bishonen for an explanation. Wish FacetsOfNonStickPans/DTM the best IRL. Abecedare (talk) 06:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

FacetsOfNonStickPans (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I will stay away from Kashmir related articles and all controversial topics, and promise to abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and not abuse anyone. Please unblock me. I went down a black hole with my recent editing and am sorry for the mess.

Accept reason:

Following discussion with FacetsOfNonStickPans and Bishonen over email, the editor is unblocked with the following conditions that they have accepted:

1. No resumption of vandalism, abuse etc (obviously)
2. A topic-ban from all edits related to Indian politics broadly construed (to be clear: that would include related BLPs, controversies, history articles, and Kashmir-related pages including The Kashmir files etc), since that seemed to have sparked the recent incidents.
3. If at any point the editor needs to take a break from wikipedia they can, if they wish, ask for a self-requested block but will not intentionally disrupt wikipedia in order to be blocked.

Welcome back. Please edit with care. Abecedare (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

• Note for reviewing admins: Am looking into the request. Please hold off on accepting/rejecting for, say, a day. Abecedare (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Bias response team

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I've added an NPOV tag to Bias response team

Did you really not have a clue about "Speech First"? Doug Weller talk 07:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Doug Weller, I was looking at it from the point of view that Speech First was part of court cases relevant to the article topic. I wanted to convey what the courts thought of the cases related to bias response teams rather than what Speech First was doing. Considering the way I presented this in the corresponding section I do notice the error in this logic. However, I think the reaction may have been a tad strong. Either way, the npov will be addressed. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 02:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Not at all strong. We need to be very clear about the nature of such groups, not pussy-foot around them. Doug Weller talk 10:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Doug Weller, okey-dokey. Addressed. I will rewrite that particular section and then integrate it again.

I also now think this article should be drastically compressed into a few lines and merged with "Higher education in the United States". Since others have also edited this article, and there has been some concern over its content, there is no need for me to BE BOLD here with regard to the merge. I will tag the pages. Meanwhile I will continue working on improving the article, including as per your some of your edit summaries. Thank you. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 05:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree that a merge would be a good idea. Why not propose it on the talk page? See Wikipedia:Merging. Although frankly I think it would be ok to do it now. Doug Weller talk 09:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to confirm this is a wrap. I had proposed the merge and a talk page section was created at the same time that the comment was written above. But following your comment I went ahead and completed the merge, making sure to reduce the carry over of any new issues into the new section. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 08:43, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Competency

What more needs to be done to make you aware of your inability to write decent articles on anything that concerns politics of any kind? You get banned from S. Asian topics and start writing trash on AmPol. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:54, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam and it's not being added as a DYK right now I believe. Doug Weller talk 09:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes - removed. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Commentary

TrangaBellam, any comments on this one? FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

It is the bullet, the kinetic energy, the impact of the projectile on the body, it is the health issues behind the pull of a trigger is arguably the most interesting line, I have read in any article on Wikipedia in the last couple of decades as a reader and then, editor. And it only adds to my lingering doubts about your competency to interpret sources and paraphrase their content. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, did you read the source?

Abecedare, Bishonen, I don't think there is any reason for accusations such as this, including language used above in #Competency. How am I suppose to deal with this? I think I interpret and paraphrase sources adequately. It may not be 100% or Nobel laureate quality or even up to the mark of the best Wikipedia editors, but I think I maintain a reasonably good standard as per Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I take part in GA, FL, DYK etc where there is interaction with other editors so it isn't as if I am editing in a black hole? Yes my ability to interpret and paraphrase may vary from topic to topic, but going by my past editing, I think the topics I have chosen so far have been reasonable including the response to it. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 02:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Admins/Sysops, one approach I follow with some articles is to have the structure in place before going deeper into GA+ quality paraphrasing. I don't work in a linear manner. I think this approach has worked out alright with the GA articles I have worked on. Simple structure before quality paraphrasing- this isn't to say I do this everywhere, for example below Promethean gap. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 02:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Promethean gap

On 19 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Promethean gap, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Promethean gap was part of an attempt by Gunther Andres to conceptualize Hiroshima and Auschwitz? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Promethean gap. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Promethean gap), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 7,252 views (604.3 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Guns don't kill people, people kill people

On 16 August 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Guns don't kill people, people kill people, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to researchers including Stephen Hargarten, the slogan "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is "scientifically inaccurate"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Guns don't kill. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Guns don't kill people, people kill people), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 20,194 views (841.4 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of August 2022 – nice work!

Bruxton (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Mannan Wani moved to draftspace

request of NeverTry4Me at WP:Requests for undeletion to work on the page via AfC

Apologies

Sorry for adding an incorrect new section, see here. VickKiang (talk) 09:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK stuff

Gerda Arendt, I was just randomly wondering, now that I have 50+ DYKs (my old and current usernames combined), and more importantly you are the number 1 as per Wikipedians by number of DYKs, whether those barnstars are within reach ... FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 11:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for giving the above a short version, - very helpful when returning. I remember that I was surprised that no 25 DYK medal was flying my way when it happened. All DYK is slow an manual. To achieve a 50 DYK medal, you will first have to update Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs which has you as DTM and with 39. Perhaps make a note where the archive is - a red link at present - of the name change. I'm not doing DYK medals but someone eventually will once you updated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Kapellmeister

I don't know what to do about the German position Erster Kapellmeister, which translates to first K, but then it sounds as if he was the first being K, not just a specific job description. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

This is related to my edit over at Kai Bumann.

This particular line, as of now, is referenced to this "1996 / 1997 1. Kapellmeister am Staatstheater Wiesbaden". The line goes on to use two more references which mention the same, one uses "1." while the other "Erster", (1) "mehrere Jahre als Erster Kapellmeister am Landestheater Detmold" and (2) 1989 wurde er 1. Kapellmeister am Landestheater Detmold.

The section Kapellmeister#Contemporary_usage has a line on this, "An opera company may have several Kapellmeister, ranked as Erste Kapellmeister (First...), Zweite Kapellmeister (Second...), etc.". This line isn't cited, nor referenced to Christian Thielemann's book. "Erste Kapellmeister" is just used at one other place on the English Wikipedia.

Here are some options for the article at hand starting with what was there originally and what it was changed to,

• 1st Kapellmeister
• first Kapellmeister
• 1. Kapellmeister
• First Kapellmeister
• First Kapellmeister

[[Kapellmeister|First Kapellmeister]]

• Erster Kapellmeister

''Erster Kapellmeister''

• Erster Kapellmeister

{{Lang|de|Erster Kapellmeister}}

• Erster Kapellmeister

{{lang|de|[[Kapellmeister|Erster Kapellmeister]]}}

• Erster Kapellmeister (English: First Kapellmeister)

{{lang|de|[[Kapellmeister|Erster Kapellmeister]]}} (English: First Kapellmeister)

• and so on.

In short, I think this version would do, First Kapellmeister. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 10:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, 1st Kapellmeister is used the most on Wikipedia. The original form will do. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 11:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations opening soon

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are opening in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 1 September). A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Abecedare, hi. I don't want to be high-maintenance (Wikipedia:Don't be high-maintenance) by asking too many questions related to my editing following my unblock conditions, but a quick question, and just a word or two from you as an answer to get some direction.

Can I sign up for the above?

I am just asking this in relation to my unblock conditions, and not the actual signing up process and what follows, just to be clear. Either way, thank you in advance. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Of course there are topics in military history that overlap with Indian politics (for example, articles related to Indo-Pak wars, or even older wars that have contemporary political import), which you would need to recuse from, but the TBAN doesn't forbid you from otherwise participating in the MilHilst project. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. This helps. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Happy Independence!

hidden image -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

(I censored part of your above message)

It is good you wrote "year round" and not "every day" or "every morning and evening". Breath in, hold om ॐ, hold independence, breathe out. People write Ram Ram in notebooks; stuff in independence somewhere into that wonderful discipline and soother. Change the language and I could fit in a few more humorous cringes. This is just good natured commentary, I am grateful for many things including having interacted with you on Wikipedia. Tidbits you've pointed out when editing on articles together has become a part of the normal editing process. It is like we are chatting after eons. What's up?

I hid the image since that line creeps towards borderline unblock conditions unless microphones or iphones or taking photographs and exploring in general are the conversation starter. I can sense TB honing in (thank you TrangaBellam as well now that I've thought of you as well, your nudges can be cascading and I am better off for it). FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 09:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

An essay, or two

TrangaBellam, please suggest one or two essays from the Wikipedia:Essay directory which you think I need to read (or have already overread). When/if you have time. I wouldn't mind attempting a reciprocity. If not, then alright. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 14:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Routine, repetitive tasks

I will be doing some routine editing. This may involve skimming through a number of articles in a short period of time, say for example categories related to trains. This could also cover adding short description templates. Since in the past rapid edits have been pointed out, I just wanted to place this here just in case. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 10:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting opening soon!

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election opens in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 15 September) and will last through 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mahan Air Flight 81

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Nomination of Mahan Air Flight 81 for deletion

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Fram (talk) 13:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)