User talk:Derek R Bullamore/Archive 22

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Yaifo

For your consideration: creating page Yaifo and would like help with referencing. Many thanks! Edaham (talk) 07:01, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks once again! Edaham (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Deepak Singh (politician)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Deepak Singh (politician) —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. #1997 kB 05:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Happy turkey day

Thank you. That's a rather large bird - has it previously eaten those unfortunates whose chairs are now vacated ? As a Brit I do not do Thanksgiving. The thought of eating tasteless turkey, and the virtually inedible pumpkin pie, is enough to make me give thanks to something else entirely. Anyhow, it's the thought that counts.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

Hello, Derek R Bullamore.

I've seen you editing recently and you seem like an experienced Wikipedia editor.
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. Rentier (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Aron Burton

His death was actually already listed at the top of the article. All I did was add it to the infobox.

Howpper (talk) 3:20, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

My apologies - I did not check that out. Anyhow, all is well now. - Derek R Bullamore (talk)

edit conflict?

Leaving the edit window open too long causes edit conflicts like this where you essentially undo my edit. Please avoid. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2018!
	Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into Wikipedia. God bless! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:28, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks. It is gratifying to know that at least one fellow editor appreciates all the graft I put in here. Best wishes for the season to you too. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

	Holiday barnstar
	You deserve a holiday barnstar, but this barn flake was as close as I could come. And best holiday wishes to you. Thank you for making Wikipedia a better place. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments; with best wishes for the season to you too. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda

Martinevans123 ^{(Santa's Drop-in Centre)} ... sends you ...

... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.

Hoping that Christmas may bless you with peace, love and understanding... and wishing that you have a good run in 2018!!

Thank you, kind sir. Indeed "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding". Festive wishes and fishes. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:59, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, we all love Elvis. But you can't beat a bit of Old Saint Nick. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Tarako (food)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Tarako (food)—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Gidiyorum (talk) 09:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello sir one help.

In my article did not publish proberly can i publish my article sir. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethirajalu Andra tigers (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I have formatted the references in Ethirajalu, although it needs more cited sources. Whilst accepting that English is not your first language, the present wording is somewhat nonsensical and needs radically improving. I can not offer to do this, as I am not sure in some of the sentences exactly what you are trying to depict. Also, should the article be titled M. Ethirajalu ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Anthoor

Please help me with the references in Anthoor. I have done some copyediting for the GOCE, but I do not see how to fix two references.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

plse do not remove linkrot flag without resolving the issue

plse do not remove the linkrot flag without resolving the issue of raw links at Spanish National Research Council as you have done. This is unproductive. We have had this discussion more than once. dates are essential and if you are unwilling to add them, leave it. do not pretend the issue is resolved.--Wuerzele (talk) 14:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

"Improve referencing"?

I don't see how labelling a set of ELs as refs, so that they get listed separately at the foot of the article after the stub tag, is any way to "Improve referencing". What's your idea here? PamD 18:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

That's my idea. Happy now ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - makes sense now that you'very finished the job! The half-done stage puzzled me. PamD 21:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Bare References

You seem to know how to fill in bare references. I recently corrected/changed the refs (and added quite a few additional ones) on Matthew Jay as they seemed to be about 10 years out of date and very antiqued and made it difficult to follow and edit the article. Would be appreciated if you could help.

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.203.145 (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Linkrot template

I am told (this template states quite clearly that it is only for "inline citations" - ELs have to be altered manually).

What do you do, if anything, to External links with bare URLs? What do you suggest for me to do?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

What I do, not that is a recommendation as such, is fill in the bare URL(s) in 'external links' using Refill, but make sure that the <ref> marks either side are then removed, before completing the edit. I can not see the problem with this approach. Who told you otherwise, and where is the quote you used above. I have never seen it before. This page makes no mention of not using Refill on external links. Apart from anything else, I oftimes follow the mandate of Ignore all rules !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The article is Viking Beer. The history shows my Linkrot tag, and the removal with that quotation.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay. I am not sure the other editor is correct, however I see no point in pursuing that one. I have done what I stated above, although only one of the three links appears to be live.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Derek, what I find astonishing here is that the documentation for {{Cleanup bare URLs}} (AKA "link rot") says "Before adding this template, please head over to toollabs:refill, paste into the text box the name of the page with bare references ... [etc etc]. I've never done so, and have no intention of doing so - nor will any users of Twinkle as far as I know. Is this documentation realistic? PamD 23:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

You may know, or perhaps you do not, that I spend a lot of my time here using Refill, to try to put some clothes on those articles with bare URLs. Personally, although I have used both Reflinks and Refill for some considerable time, so my judgement is hideously biased, I feel that it is a fairly simple thing to use. I can tell though that many editors shudder at the thought, perhaps thinking that the bot will blow up and render Wikipedia, or themselves, instantly sterile (or dead). Each to their own. Many of Wikipedia's editing guidelines make me laugh, for fundamentally they assume that all editors understand the wording therein. Even after 12 years here, I am can not make head nor tail of half of them. They then presume that editors will all follow like sheep and "do the right thing". Let me make this as simple as I can, I have no frigging idea what Twinkle is ! To me this is Twinkle, god bless her. The disambig page suggests it could be "a hypothetical integer factorization device". Sorry, just fell off my chair with that one.

Probably what I am driving at is that we are all different, and I don't Twinkle (except on extra special nights), and you do not Refill. Fine by me, and yes the "documentation" wording is not realistic. If I am allowed a final gripe, it is the annoyance caused to me by those editors who rarely, if ever, use Refill, yet find it fair and proper to post here, dutifully pointing out my shortcomings (real or otherwise) when I am simply having a go and trying to improve dear old Wiki. Oh, present company, very much excepted. We do our best, Dthomsen8 (whatever happened to the previous seven versions?), you and me. Happy editing and sleep well,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editor hat

Would you like to have a Wikipedia hat? I have a good number of them, in different colors.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 00:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Where did you get that from ?! The old adage goes; "If you can't fight, wear a big hat." Or, from a song lyric of similar vintage; "Where did you get that hat?". LOL !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

At http://www.tripleplaysports.com/ in the Italian Market, South Philadelphia.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

American saying:The bad guys wear black hats and the good guys wear white hats.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

You are causing much laughter at this end. Do I assume that Tripleplay have a license to manufacture this headgear ? Jimbo may have something to say if not. Not that I would tell him - I am way too busy laughing. Do you change hat colour to match the rest of your attire ? Have you ever seen anyone else wearing one ? Is there a Wikipedia Editor Hat Convention ?? LLLOL - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

BBC

Derek, just a note to say that I think the BBC website should probably be formatted BBC, BBC News, or bbc.co.uk; but probably not Bbc.co.uk Thanks, Philafrenzy (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

You may be right Phil. Although given I normally always style all reference sources of that nature as Abc.net.au or Cbs.com etc., it does follow the same lines. Anyhow I am taking a holiday from tomorrow, so you will all get a rest from my best-intentioned efforts ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I need your help in one article

Hi! I would like your help with the following article: Draft:Legality of polyandry, thank you.--Alpha Lion (talk) 22:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Alpha Lion - I know that Derek's away for several weeks, so if you need help before then it might be a good idea for you to sign in at Wikipedia:Teahouse. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Footer removal

Evidently, your semi-automated tool removed the footer from this main article. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

It is not my semi-automated tool - it is Wikipedia's. Actually I suspect it was simply an editing error of mine - as far as I am aware Refill does not remove footers. My edit was done in November last year, whilst you noticing it seemingly took four months. I thus feel less guilty that it has taken me almost four weeks to post this reply to you.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

"More footnotes" tag

Hello Derek! Yesterday you edited article Andrey Esionov and changed "no footnotes" tag to "more footnotes". Today I put new references and footnotes. Could you please check if it's ok now to remove "more footnotes" tag? If not - could you help me with the examples of the text which I need to provide with references? Finkrek (talk) 09:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Finkrek. Well done on your edits. I have removed the "more footnotes" tag, as this is clearly not needed now. Without any knowledge of the subject matter, or the Russian language, I am not sure whether the subject's name(s) and date of birth are referenced. Therefore I have left the {BLP sources} tag for the time being. I hope that answers your query.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot)) You mean that to remove {BLP sources} tag - there're should be verified painter's name and date of birth at least? Finkrek (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

In a nutshell, yes. Unless that information can be gleaned from any of the existing references - in which case, that needs to be made clear by cross-referencing as necessary. Oh, probably place of birth (as well as date) too.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot again Derek!) I really appreciate your help!) Finkrek (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Barry Blue

Sigh.... If you fancy a clean-up job..... I was waiting until they'd "finished", but it seems never-ending..... Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Sigh indeed. Well I've had a good go at the article, which I think looks better now than it did. I've also left a note of the editor's talk page - we will see if it has any effect. I might return to it in due course, but at times there is only so much you can do !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:03, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

It looks a lot better - thanks! Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Silvio Grand

Thank you for your help in my first article. I notice that there are a lot of specific Wikipedia technical ways to do it, that i still don't manage. Please feel welcome to modify my article, add or delete information if you consider that it is not appropriate. My best Regards, Aileen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asdankers (talk • contribs) 22:57, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. It may be worthwhile you having a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Your first article. Both offer tips and suggestions to help inexperienced editors in composing encyclopedic articles on Wikipedia. You should not assume that someone will always clean up articles that you have created.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Please need a little help thank you so much for your hard wordk

Hello am writing to see if i can have a little help from you.

On wikipedia of female fighter Ranini Cundasawmy Ranini's Wikipedia

There is ( This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (June 2017)

Am stuck with it and dont know what to do to make this go away. i try to put more citation but its still there. Do you think that you can help on this please

Thank you so much and thanks so much for your hard work. Have a good day and thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wawapat (talk • contribs) 08:40, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

The real crux of the potential problem on Ranini Cundasawmy's article is the amount of detail shown under the sub-heading of 'Citations'. What are these details precisely, do they actually reference/support the article's text, are they merely duplication of the references used therein, in other words what purpose do they serve ? There are sufficient references to support the text as it stands, so is it necessary or helpful to the reader to have these citations included in the article ? If these do not serve any real purpose, then they could be deleted, and the "sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations" tag removed. Alternatively, if they do support the text, then they need to be included in-line, in a similar style to the existing references.

Finally, please remember to sign your comments/talk. 4 x ~ will serve this purpose.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:09, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the information i will work on it

-) SportsMedia92 06:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Many thanks for tidying up the dates on the page about Neil Shand. I just read on your talk page that you live in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I know that way myself as I went to the University of Hull, although a long time ago now - it was 1985 to 1988. Vorbee (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome. Yes, it is "God's own country", of course. Had I gone to university (I did not), then it would have been around 1972 to 1975, a long, long time ago ! Happy editing,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Arthur W V Reeve

Have added dates and refs for the article on Arthur W. V. Reeve. Hugo999 (talk) 14:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Access dates for subscription-only sources

Hi Derek, could I suggest that you consider not adding access dates when expanding bare urls for subscription-only sources? Your edit at Graham Yallop introduced access dates for a large number of CricketArchive pages that, judging by the non-descriptive ref titles, you don't have access to. Hack (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Subscription sites do present a problem. To be fair, {Refill} adds its own accessdate(s) as part of the bot's processes, which in this case was more than a few ! If anyone with subscription to the CricketArchive pages wishes to add more descriptive titles, then I have no objection. I do try hard to be as astute as possible when using {Refill}, with many manual interventions along the way. But, hey-ho, there are limits to how far one can be expected to delve, particularly when there were 200 or so bare urls to fill. I do my best.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

There is a reFill option that when selected, will not include access dates. I've got access to the CricketArchive and will go through all of the references eventually. Hack (talk) 17:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Refimprove for Steve Jansen

I have removed the refimprove box that you added in 2014 for Steve Jansen as there are now plenty of references on that article. Ross-c (talk) 06:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Jersey

I am specializing in Jersey, and I request your assistance for Listed buildings in Jersey, which I have been improving recently.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Done - actually the references may need expanding, but the basics are there. Anyhow, I thought you were an American; so why Jersey ? Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Eli Oberstein

Thanks for tweaking the references, but the citations now have incorrect titles. The Ancestry site gives access to public records, and it is those public records - such as "New York City, Births, 1891-1902" - that should appear in the list of references in the article, rather than "Search Ancestry", etc. I don't want to revert your entire edit, but your (automated or otherwise) last edit now provides wrong information. Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm a silly old Hector. Apologies and corrections now made. Just watch, I'll be dangerous if I ever wake up. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Bare URLs

I noticed that you like formatting bare URLs and wondered whether you had come across User:DilletantiAnonymous, who is writing MANY articles, mostly stubs, on paintings in which he/she uses bare URLs. There are too many for me to (want to) tag but I thought it possible that you might be interested to know about them.Eustachiusz (talk) 23:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

To say that I like formatting bare URLs is a bit of an exaggeration - in an ideal world, I would never have to do another one ! The user you cite is unknown to me, but given that he/she seems to be concentrating on paintings - not an interest of mine - that may be part of the reason. It is not a perfect situation that someone is creating stub articles with bare URLs, but far worse things happen here. If the articles are not tagged as such, they will not pass before the eyes of the relatively few editiors that work on such cases.

I'll have a further think about this in the next few hours - whilst I'm asleep. Regards, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Having looked a little bit further, I notice that the user's talk page has a few requests from other editors, as to how the user may improve recently created articles. This includes a request to not leave articles with bare URLs. I will leave it at that, given the subject matter is not in my sphere of interest.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough - thanks for the full reply! I understand your view. Doubtless they'll get hoovered up in the course of time. Eustachiusz (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Linkrot tag

Hi Derek_R_Bullamore, why did you remove that tag, when the article is riddled with bareuls. I guess you have a plan. scope_creep (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not know which article you refer to - but it was possibly part of a bigger picture on my part ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Tina Joemat-Pettersson

I don’t know anything about Wikipedia but you need this link as it involves yet another controversial issue with Joemat-Pettersson.

Apologies if I’ve unintentionally messed up your page. I know niks about Wikipedia.

Equally I know next to nothing about Joemat-Pettersson either. I'll leave it, thank you. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Panagrolaimus detritophagus

On 25 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Panagrolaimus detritophagus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the tiny nematodes Panagrolaimus detritophagus and Plectus parvus were revived after more than 30,000 years frozen in permafrost? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Panagrolaimus detritophagus), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Plectus parvus

On 25 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Plectus parvus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the tiny nematodes Panagrolaimus detritophagus and Plectus parvus were revived after more than 30,000 years frozen in permafrost? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Plectus parvus), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Dear Derek.... for your tireless efforts in fixing refs. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

More bloody cake and pussy than this man can cope with. Thanks to all - cardiac problems notwithstanding. - Derek R Bullamore (talk)

Broken (?) reference on 1922 Committee

On 4 January 2018‎ you edited the page "1922 committee" with a comment of "Filled in 2 bare reference(s) with reFill". However, the article titles you filled in (currently under references #1) read: "Subscribe to read" - which is the page that greets you when you click on the link, but NOT the actual title of the referenced article. I'm unsure if you did this on purpose, or maybe it was a semi-automatic accidental edit? Anyway, the reference would be more helpful if the actual title of the referenced article could be given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.81.84.17 (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I have amended the reference accordingly. Was there anything stopping you effecting the same ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Department of Modest Claims

I love the title in this which you added. For personal musical (/financial) reasons I've been interested in them since about 1982 and I've always been struck by their lack of grandiosity ... there was an interview (at the time) with Glenn Gregory in NME or something in which he claimed that at the time he was the Best Baritone in Sheffield ... I loved that! Cheers DBaK (talk)

I was reminded of Heaven 17 when I watched one of those BBC Four music documentaries late last night. It was hosted by Martyn Ware and a rather tubby looking Ana Matronic - a rather curious mix - who seemed to be largely congratulating each other in having similar musical taste. The bulk of the programme was videos showing their mutual preferences in action. There may have been more to it than that - I missed the first ten minutes or so. Anyhow, it passed me half an hour in relative discomfort. I never totally forgave Martyn Ware and Ian Craig Marsh for breaking up the best line-up of The Human League. But each to his own. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes indeed. I am almost sorry I missed the documentary, but having read your review, perhaps not. I have a feeling that Martyn Ware has some kind of consultancy job on a digital music masters' course at QMUL, a university which has no music department but hey. As for the Human League, well yes they lost that rather great lineup but it does not seem to have harmed their prospects too much ... cheers DBaK (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Jackie Daly

Hello there o venerable grandmaster (actually I am a little more venerable than thou). Thanks for adding the maintenance template to the Jackie Daly article (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Jackie_Daly) asking for inline citations. I have added a bunch of these and removed the template - perhaps I should not have done. Could you have a look at the page and let me know (or put the template back) if you think that the issues you raised have not been dealt with sufficiently? Many thanks Spinaci (talk) 17:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I should of course have said "than thee" :) Spinaci (talk) 17:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Spinaci. It is good to know that there are still those more venerable than little old me ! I have had another look at the article - well done on your efforts. I have spruced up several things; such as punctuation before referencing, and added a Wiki preferred styling of said citations. Whilst I could point out that several of the sentences/paragraphs in the 'Music career' section are without references, as is the entire discography, I am more than content in you removing the maintenance tag. I rarely get hung up on such things, particularly when another editor is obviously taking time out to improve matters. Happy editing,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)