User talk:Curly Turkey/Archive/2016

a question unrelated to "winningest"

I thought I would ask you, as I saw you had your JLPT1 and I can't even read hira/kata. Although some Japanese names seem unisex, do the male and female forms of the same name, share the same kanji? Is it possible to distinguish gender from the Kanji, or through any other cute little nuances? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

• I'd say you can generally tell from the kanji whether they're male or female, but not with 100% confidence. I know I've seen names have the same kanji for both male and female, but examples aren't coming to mind at the moment. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Here's an example: Akira Amano (female) and Akira Isogawa (male) with the kanji 「明」 for "Akira". If the kanji were, say, 「章」, though, I'd be surprised if the person were female (though a ton of female names otherwise use that character). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I was looking at Unisex_name#Japanese and wondering if it needed any further detail, in regards to distinguishing between male and female names. Thanks Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's a site that lists a huge number of names. It marks them as male and female—it marks none of them as unisex, but sometimes you'll see the same kanji twice in a row, once as male and once as female. There are quite a few unisex ones, but they still tend to be one or the other. But I guess the answer to your question is yes, you can usually differentiate based on the kanji, and that information would be good for the article, but it would be best to get a source saying so first. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi

If you want to, please take a look at the article about Carina Jaarnek that I have created. Any help is appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Adding images

Hey Turkey, I wanted to ask you something. I assume this revert has a point, but my idea was to add an image in order to break the monotony of reading just walls of text. Is it usual to incorporate image (under free use) from a concert and write a description not strictly related to the image?--Retrohead (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

The issue is the caption—it implies that the image was taken "at Mercyful Fate's practice room in Copenhagen". That's information that should be in the body, and should be in a caption only if the caption relates to the image—so, at the very least, the caption has to be changed. The image itself is less than ideal, of course, as it's from 2009, but is placed during the recording sessions in 1984. I understand not wanting to have a wall of text there, but I wouldn't fight too hard to keep that image. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually ...

Adding to your thought, the whole winningest issue might best be left as is, WP:NOCONSENSUS. It's just WP:WABBITSEASON at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• It would be nice, but Reyk is actively doctoring the evidence, making claims there's already been a consensus against the word. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
  • With regard to NAm sports there certainly is not. There's clearly a consensus against MoS making rules against this or other words. There's no consensus to import wording from the tone essay into MoS. And the status quo is that editorial discretion and (should a dispute arise) editorial consensus at the article level is what determine the wording of articles. So I have no idea what case Reyk would make, and would oppose a misleading result. My personal opinion and prediction (not my rede what a consensus determination would say explicitly) is that "winningest" is usable as a jargon term of art in NAm sports; it could plausibly but not unquestionably be reasonable to use it in other competitive NAm situations, including pro card playing, elimination-based "reality" TV shows, political elections, competitive gaming, law firm's acquittal rates, etc., but people are liable to object unless the term is linked to an article explaining that it's conventional NAm sports jargon, so non-NAm people aren't inspired to editwar about it; it's not going to be accepted (except by accident, e.g. on obscure articles with few watchers) even in NAm-topic articles the subjects of which are not something inherently competitive ("winningest actress at the Oscars in 2015" – actors are not primarily known for competition, while prosecutors are for their conviction rate, for example); and it will not be accepted in non-NAm articles even for sports, because it's like injecting lorry, tyre and petrol into an article on the American auto industry. I think I'll go say this over at WT:MOS.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  05:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
    • My "doctoring" comment refers to this sneaky edit, a comment based on this AfD and nowhere discussed at the MoS talk (and an extreme distortion of what the AfD represented, presented as a matter of fact). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that point got into Francis' draft essay (not necessarily be cause that's his view; I think he was copy-pasting stuff that had a diff or a source that seemed relevant). I didn't include that point from the essay, even after I updated the proposed consensus close's notes. It does seem to be just one person's interpretation, and 2007 is too long ago to matter for any point other than to show that WP perception regarding the word has shifted over time.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Smoothing ruffled feathers

(Seems an apt metaphor.) I know you thought my attempt at peacemaking the other day was in bad faith; it wasn't, I was just clumsy with it, trying to maintain a "position" in one spot, and move on in another. Further up this page somewhere you said I engaged in a straw man while complaining of one, and had earlier accused you of bad faith. If I did, I would retract them, and if I didn't but said something that came off that way, I'd be happy to concede it was poor wording. Glad we've been on better terms for a few days, and looking forward to more of that.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:15, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

"'Split infinitive"

This is the issue: it really doesn't exist. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: The prescription against it has no rational basis, but the term has a well-defined meaning: a word (usually an adverb) comes between the "to" and the plain infinitive. It doesn't "supposedly" come between them. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Trump

No, not the American blowhard presidential candidate (hopefully you are blissfully unaware of him). "TRUMP: The Complete Collection- Essential Kurtzman" will be published this summer and is now available for pre-order. You probably already ordered yours and this message is nothing you don't already know. I wonder why the title of this book, that contains two and a half magazines, ends with the words "Volume 2"? Prhartcom (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

• You're kidding me! It'd better happen this time—it's been cancelled by at least two publishers I know of so far (both of whom had it up on Amazon for preorder). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
• Oh, "Volume 2" means it's the second volume of the Essential Kurtzman series Kitchen's putting together. Volume one was Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book last year (or technically the end of 2014). It's like twice the price from Amazon in Japan, but I'll be visiting Canada in the summer, so I'll probably hold off until then to buy it. Excited! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for that explanation, that makes sense. It's Dark Horse, so that's great news; they should come through, right? I didn't know that about the other publishers. Yeah, don't pay too much. Can't wait to read it; should be slick! Prhartcom (talk) 01:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Inevitable

I imagine a block's on the way. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

POV editing of Bernie Sanders regarding religion

Hello Curly Turkey,

I will assume good faith regarding your editing of Bernie Sanders regarding Judaism. However, I perceive that phases such as "drawn speculation" and "he has refused to divulge details of it" and "rarely talked about religion" and "has shied away from questions of religion" constitutes a POV that is negative to Sanders. Like David Bowie, Sanders has spent decades trying to keep his private life private, avoiding all public discussion of personal details, while openly discussing his political ideas at any opportunity. There is nothing at all wrong or unusual in a public figure keeping private matters private, while discussing their public persona willingly. Sanders publically self identifies as a member of the Jewish religion and says he believes in God as he defines God. That should be enough. It is not right for Wikipedia editors to add their own original POV commentary to discussion of his religious beliefs. We are not investigative reporters, and should not yearn to be on this website. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

This is so absurdly painful a POV statement that I may need a surgeon to remove my palm from my face, Cullen. We do not pick and choose which widely-published and discussed aspects of his life to report on based on arbitrary criteria determined by WP:Cullen328, but by WP:V and WP:WEIGHT. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016

Hello, I'm Sir Joseph. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to User talk:Sir Joseph has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• @Bishonen and Drmies: You might be interested in what's going on here. You also might want to take a look at Zigzag20s, who congratulated him with a "civility" barnstar and who is clearly trolling. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

continuing to trash talk after being told to quit it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:43, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

burying the evidence Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

They're allowed to do that, Turkey. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

And I'm allowed to keep a record of it. My understanding was that when one tells you to keep off their talk page, they are also expected to stop talking about you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• Turkey, I think it is a good idea to step back; too many f-bombs on Bernie's article talk page. Leave Sir Joseph be. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
  • @Bishonen and Drmies: I've replace my language, but I won't take back the troll comment. Zigzag's comments were too clearly designed to disrupt. And Sir Joseph continues with the personal attacks ("you're inane posts"). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Posting "you're inane posts" is not a violation of NPA. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
      • In the context it is, and it certainly violates WP:CIVIL, as you have done countless times. You continue to post on my talk page despite having barred me from yours. What's up with that? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Deleting comments of other editors at article talk page

Did you do this by accident?Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Obviously, and I thanked Softlavender for reverting them. I edit via Emacs, and it sometimes doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I reverted them. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, then I guess it was you I thanked. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Sine I've established clearly that Sanders is a "secular Jew", I added that category to the article at the bottom. It's an interesting category, in case you haven't looked at it. Yitzhak Rabin, Woody Allen, and many others are in it. You may want to look at their infoboxes to see how this has been handled in the past, if you haven't looked already.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:34, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::::: I'm not interested in issues involving Jews/Muslims/etc. I got involved in this article because it flared up after the Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes, an issue I care about and which I felt was related to the Sanders dispute. I added material on his background because nobody else would after I called for it at least a dozen times. Fucking fucked up people: adding "Jew" to the article makes you an antisemite, but so does removing it from the infobox ... Times like these make me glad I'm not American. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Every so often I slip

I'm usually good about staying away form overtly political articles. I made a big slip last year with Charlie Hebdo shooting (because it was cartooning-related), and I made a big slip this year with Bernie Sanders (because it's related to Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes). These types of articles are lost causes born to drain your soul—they draw the sickest people on Wikipedia. Back to comics and rock'n'roll. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Good man. At least you didn't get drawn into the Kim Davis (county clerk) article, like I did. Prhartcom (talk) 04:13, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, God. You've got an awful lot more patience for insanity and malice than I do, but I can imagine it wasn't pretty. I only have one Facebook friend who made an issue of Davis, but it was surreal—I wondered if that was what taking LSD was like. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the opportunity to commiserate; It was indeed a strange experience. It was all I could do to stay diplomatic at all times. Last I checked (months ago), I had written half of the article, but I'm afraid to look at it now. I had planned to take it to GA, but fortunately I hit myself with a hammer to avoid that painful experience. (Last year, I somehow survived the strange experience of writing half of Germanwings Flight 9525 and taking it to GA.) I know what you mean about the conservative Facebook friends that somehow crop up; I've got some of those too. I'm guessing our friend Midnightblueowl would know what you mean also; I believe she got involved with the UKIP article. Prhartcom (talk) 04:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeeks—a hammer, you mean literally? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Ha, no, figuratively. Although it might have been preferable to working with those contributors. Prhartcom (talk) 13:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Carina Jaarnek

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

CJK question

I don't know a lot about CJK markup and usage. Are these bracketing characters around the ideogram 「明」 conventionally used in particular ways? Looking for documentation on them.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  06:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

• They're Japanese quotation marks—they don't use the same punctuation marks as English. See Japanese punctuation, although it describes 「」 as "single" and 『』 as "double quotation marks"—that's from a British perspective. The outliney ones are the ones you would use for quotations-within-quotations (and certain other cases). I don't read Chinese or Korean, so I have no idea if they apply there. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspected that might be the case, though I would not have known that about the ordering. Our article at Quotation mark#Chinese, Japanese and Korean quotation marks isn't drawing that distinction, and could probably use some tweaking in that regard.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  18:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm having little luck coming up with a decent source for this stuff. There's this, which is perhaps oversimplified, but definitely an RS (it's a well-known book summarizing the writing systems of the world). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

GBooks is actually refusing to show me the page, but it looks like a book I should have in hardcopy anyway, so thanks for the pointer.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 5, 2016

Hi Curly. I was under the weather yesterday ... hopefully I'm fine now and I can get to this later today. - Dank (push to talk) 12:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• Another one? What, are people not writing any more FAs these days? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:04, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I've been begging for more FA writers, no luck so far. - Dank (push to talk) 00:32, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Indeed. I've had 4 in the past three months. Five, if Amir Hamzah is picked. Sadly, when we're looking for diverse topics, fields such as comics and art often end up being selected. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Undid

You undid an edit of mine, and I wasn't clear on what the problem was. I did some minor fixes to the punctuation and some rather long sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivateThoughts (talk • contribs) 00:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• Yes, you made a long sentence harder to parse, so I undid it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I went and changed the sentence I thought was the problem, and you're still having problems. Could you explain what was wrong? I changed some semi-colons into commas, and added a comma that was missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivateThoughts (talk • contribs) 02:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Apparently "stalking" means "responding to people on an article talk page"

What a horrible piece of shit I am. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Curly,

Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Suzuki Harunobu - Evening Snow on the Heater.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on March 5, 2016. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2016-03-05. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. I'm sure the mainpage readers will be happier with so much Turkey in their diet. To compliment all them greasy Crisco treats, I'm sure. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• • Eh, we gotta get rid of the leftovers somehow. ;) But I don't think we'll have another Ukiyo-e image on the MP for a few months. Don't have all that many. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Brendan Healy (comics) should return to Brendan Healy (comic)

Mr Healy was a comic, as in a comedic entertainer, rather than somebody associated with comic books. I'm sure this was human error, I don't hold anything against your decision. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:28, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Whoops! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

白き鼬鼠第ＵＭＰＴＥＥＮ巻：決闘ＡＥ

Hey, CT.

The White Weasel is at it again. Of my seven historical wikistalkers, one has been sitebanned for three years, I'm protected from three by IBANs, and two appear to have disappeared off the face of the earth. But this one is now back with a vengeance and appears to have become even better at the old wikilawyering game.

I'm considering asking for an IBAN, but at this point I don't know where to turn. ANI is a better option than it used to be, with the above-described disappearance of almost all of the users who specifically have it in for me, but I worry that any mention of ArbCom activity on ANI will result in a speedy close for trying to "dowmgrade" a conflict that's "already being discussed" by the Arbs...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• Jesus fucking Christ. I don't know what this is about, but I have the feeling that taking it to ANI would be walking into the Weasel's Den. If you can manage an IBAN, put in an order for me. Where's he stalking you this time? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

WP:AE. Can't give you the details here for obvious reasons, but needless to say it's more bullshit. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

"Uninvolved party", my scrotumhairs—does he really need to "protest to much" like that every motherfucking time? I'd love to leave a comment to that effect, but he'd probably spin is as you having canvassed for it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:03, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we should go find a smoke-filled room to conspire in like in the old days. My Illuminati and Freemason contacts should be able to hook us up. If the smoke came from electric cigarettes it would be all the better. :P Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:37, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• The room can be as conspiratorial as you like, but keep it 禁煙. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ユーノーホワットウッドシームリアリーファッキングコンスピリアトリアル？イフウィーコミュニけーテッドオールインモックジャパニーズ。 Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:08, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

ザットウッドシームコンスピラトーリアル、トルー、バットイッツスーパーハードトゥリード、アンドアイワリーヒー（ゼイ？）マイトビーエイブルトゥスピンイットアズミーヴァイオレーティングマイTBAN。イッフアイライトオンリー「ティーバン」インローマンレターズ、イットマイトメイクザプロブレムワース、バットアイリーリ、リーリワントヒムトゥトライトゥリポートミーフォージスアンドメイクアcomplete buffoonアウトオヴヒムセルフホウェンピープルテルヒムホワットウィーウェアリーリドゥイング。（笑） Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

ウェル、ウィールシースーンイナフ。アイムサーテン匕―ズストーキングマイトークページ、アンドウィルアシュ―ムザットワーヅライクfuckwitアービーイングディレクテッドアットヒム。 Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

イットトゥックミーライク5 minutesトゥフィギュアアウトホワットthe hellユーメントバイ「ワーヅ」。（笑） Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Article

If you want to, take a look at the article about Margareta Hallin that I have created. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I did what I could, but there were some things I couldn't work out. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi

I am trying to improve the article about Molly Sandén. If you have any suggestions or edits that can be done please do :) Thanks.BabbaQ (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

BabbaQ: Quick question—what variety of English should this be in (so I know what spelling to use)? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Britsh English I would prefer. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I wasn't sure whether I should correct "practice" to "practise", since the date format was North American. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

ビーイングインサルテッド

ヘイ！

エニーアイディアアバウトハウアイシュッドah screw it! ...how I should go about dealing with a user I've never interacted with suddenly calling me a troll[1] for the sin of ... expressing an entirely legit concern about content policy violations?

I would just ask them to retract it and if they refused I would post on you know where, but I was wondering if you know if the process is different when the page in question is apparently subject to discretionary sanctions.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

• I just got back from commenting on it. I don't know what he thinks "linguistics" means, but I think Inigo Montoya would have something to say about it. I think the user is likely part of the "minefield" alluded to, and I suspect he won't be the last offender—I think it's one of those pages where the participants are all there to fight. Just let the article rot and go produce some content. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

"You keep using that word: I do not think you know what it means." I only saw that movie once, and that was four years ago, so I don't remember if in its original context the person being spoken to was ironically trying to correct Inigo on the definition of a word. Anyway, I took two linguistics class in my first two years of uni, and took another class called "Terminology", but decided that Japanese and translation studies were more suited to my tastes; I don't much like 理系 people telling me I don't understand linguistics. Also, if they are all there to fight, then why would they be criticizing me for being there to "troll"; they seem similar enough, if not the same... I'm still trying to find an area of classical Chinese literature that I can write about and that English Wikipedia currently completely fails at. Thusfar I've found some holes, but I don't know enough to fill them adequately, and they're not deep holes either way But once my French translation of that other article is finished I'll overlay it, ask for a copyedit from a native speaker, and then submit it for GA.. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Is the link broken, or are you working on that off-Wiki? now fixed. My knowledge of Chinese lit is limited to an abridged translation of 西遊記 and a translation of Mencius. It surprises me every time I see Chinese text and can't make out the slightest bit. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I've taken a page out of your book and started translating my Southern Cross FA into French. When I'm done I'll do like you said and request a native tp deshittify my French (how would you say "deshittify" in French? "Démerder"?) Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Courtesy DS notice

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Jytdog (talk) 23:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Pretty redundant at this point, but whatever, I'm done there anyways—it's clear certain folks are only there to shit on others. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

yes the culture there is not pretty. sorry about that. Jytdog (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Input requested

There is a dispute at Talk:Spider-Man and the X-Men over whether a redlink editor's edits violate WikiProject Comics guidelines as fancruft and issue-by-issue synopses. A comparison of two versions is here. I am writing to some longtime Project editors individually, since Portal talk:Comics appears to have very little traffic and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Notice board has had no postings in years. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

All done

Should be linked correctly now in most of the comments. I removed the pings from yours however since I thought it would probably be excessive to ping again. Regards. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Only in death does duty end: No problem, although my understanding is that there's no need to do so—that pings only work if you sign (or re-sign) your post (which is why a lot of malformed-and-then-fixed pings don't go through). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

C/e advice

About the second paragraph of Lightning–any idea how to rewrite the sentence "Although four tracks were already arranged, the band members worried that the album featured songs created in the studio, unlike Kill 'Em All." so that it says the members were not used to write songs in the studio, which was not the case with Kill 'Em All? I thought about "Although four tracks were already arranged, the band members were not used to create songs in the studio, which was not the case with Kill 'Em All". I know it sounds a bit clumsy, so your opinion would be more than welcomed.--Retrohead (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Retrohead: Hmmm ... I ran through a few things in my head, but then I decided to take a look at the source for ideas, and ... I don't actually see this in the source. Where does this info come from? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

That's from Popoff's book. I think the first time I saw it in McIver's or Winwood's book, but I can't locate where. I'll add it right away.--Retrohead (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Retrohead: Sorry, I forgot to follow up on this. I can't view that link—sometimes there are pages that are blocked in Japan. Can you quote it? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

"The band worried that too much of the record featured songs created in the studio, but their confidence has built, and they had much more control of everything, including the electric chair cover concept, their idea from the start." (p. 41 of Metallica: The Complete Illustrated History) No worries though, Ian Rose copyedited it, I think it reads fine now.--Retrohead (talk) 10:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay, that looks good. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Wilson Bengough

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Crazy dreams

Precious again, your Dream of the Rarebit Fiend, "an article about crazy dreams"!

Dreaming of my rabbit friend who designed this, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

• Vielen Dank! Aber wer ist denn dieser Kaninchen, von dem du träumst? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

br'er rabbit --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

told you so --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I guess it's easy to forget since I never interacted with the said rabbit (at least, I don't think I did). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

If you really didn't you missed a lot. But with 44 different names, it's unlikely ;) - I met him first as Alarbus, - first link on my user page goes to Reformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I recognize that name, but can't remember why. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't strain your memory, Hammer. Nail. Door. is fresh as on day one, in 2012. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

He went on to create {{user original}} --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

He went on to get himself banned and reported the success with a smile, - his last sign of life to me. Trying to keep smiling, and the "nice edit notice" is still in place ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Today Katsudō Shashin: "a printed filmstrip fastened together at the ends to be viewed endlessly, I suppose it may qualify as both the shortest and longest Japanese film", - thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Page views

Now here's a neat tool I never knew about:

I don't know how to feel about this—my user page seems to get more pageviews than many of my GAs and FAs. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Look what happens when new users with less than 500 edits to their name unilaterally close VERY complicated GAR discussions in order to rack up credits

You've got mail. It would seem the legacy of the White Weasel is alive and well. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hallin

Some edits has changed the article about Margareta Hallin drastically. Take a look :)--BabbaQ (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, I noticed a lot of people suddenly took interest! Was there an anniversary or something? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Reverts in Eight Parlour Views

I saw the revert you did to my changes in Eight Parlour Views and I also saw that others have done the same edit I did, removing the empty gallery tags. I just want you to know that it's going to happen again, not because we are doing it on purpose, but because that sort of thing is signalled by automatic tools like Check Wikipedia.

Aisteco (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Well, that's irritating. I was hoping to get them filled this weekend, though. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It may be irritating in this case but it's very useful in general so think about the good of the whole. ;)

Aisteco (talk) 23:53, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem—thery're all filled in now, anyways. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Infobox comics character

Like I said, I really am happy to correct the label of the "alliances" field and will do whatever additional programming to that template you want (I'm a programmer and I really should go through the process of becoming a template editor, and the process involves making requests in this way, so this would be a good project for me). It probably would be best to get others input on it before suddenly changing the label, which is why I suggested consensus. I want to apologize for being curt with you earlier, but here is the reason: Almost every single time I see that you have made a comment to a discussion I am having somewhere, I am: a) excited to see you have chimed in, followed by b) crestfallen that, once again, you go against whatever it is I am wishing will happen. Prhartcom (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I'm not really against it, I'm just not for it. Sorry! If you've got any programming experience at all, templates are pretty easy to work with. I'll leave a message at the template talk page. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Prhartcom: actually, have you looked at the "|partners=" and "|supports=" parameters? I didn't realize they even existed, and I think they might be more appropriate. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Done. Thanks! Prhartcom (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Having a Rave Up

Thanks for your interest in Having a Rave Up with The Yardbirds. Would you be willing to take on the GA review? I liked your work on Love It to Death (Cooper was a big Yardbirds fan). Understand if you're busy, etc. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Ojorojo: I gave the album another spin last night for the first time in years after reading the article--found I had no memory of "She's so Respectable". What a track! I think I'll probably do the review, but I probably won't get to it right away. Ping me in a week if I still haven't done it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Punctuation and quotation marks

You clearly have a sharp eye for detail, but I am not sure if I understand the placing of punctuation outside of the quotation marks. To my knowledge punctuation should always be placed inside them. I make mistakes because the marks are also used to indicate titles of stories not published separately. But that note at Ellison, wasn't that correct the way I wrote it? MackyBeth

MackyBeth: Sorry, I thought I included a link to WP:LQ in one of my edits. American style is fairly strict about placing punctuation inside quotes, but Wikipedia favours "logical quotation"—placing the punctuation according to sense. For example:

(General North American) My favourite song is "My Human Gets Me Blues," which appears on Trout Mask Replica.

(LQ) My favourite song is "My Human Gets Me Blues", which appears on Trout Mask Replica.

The comma doesn't logically belong to the title of the song, so with LQ you'd place it outside the quotes (this is the common style in Britain and in American publications where a certain precision is important). This also applies to quotations:

Bob said, "You're such a hoser, Doug."

Bob said Doug was "such a hoser".

In the first sentence "You're such a hoser, Doug." is presented as a complete sentence along with its punctuation; some insist there should be another period outside punctuating the whole sentence:

Bob said, "You're such a hoser, Doug.".

but this is not the consensus style at Wikipedia (logical, but ugly and needlessly redundant). In the second sentence, the quote is presented as a sentence fragment that is part of the larger whole sentence: the period punctuates the sentence as a whole; the quoted fragment is not a whole sentence (thus can't really be punctuated there), nor was it originally punctuated with a period (there was a comma). Placing a period inside the quotation mark would be both illogical and not be faithful to the original quote.

I hope this helps! If it doesn't, don't worry—you can always get people like me to take care of the LQ, endashes, &cetera, for you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:29, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

That's funny, because it means Wikipedia style resembles the European style that I am actually used to. Never knew this. MackyBeth

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Centralized ENGVAR, DATEVAR, CITEVAR discussion

This may be of interest, since you were involved in the previous round of this discussion: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Cleaning up and normalizing MOS:ENGVAR, WP:CITEVAR, etc.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  12:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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Sea Mither of God!

Hi Curly! I imagine this might get your goat, but I'd urge you to steer clear of the Sea Mither talk page until, as you yourself suggested, an admin can have a look "from on high" and intervene to prevent further ridiculousness. After all, the more you curse those two out, the more they will feel the need to share more of their... wonderfully interesting views on bias, racism, editing, burdens, etc. in order to refute you. This will just piss you (and me, and others) off more, and the cycle will continue ad absurdum. Let them think they've won, until they can learn decisively that they haven't; we'll all salvage a little of our ebbing sanity that way. (You seem to share interests--i.e. comix--and editing styles with me; I look forward to potentially furnishing you with assistance in future!) YarLucebith (talk) 04:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oh, I don't curse because they get my goat—I curse because I'm that kind of asshole. I've seen Eric in action enough not to get drawn into his horseshit mind games—notice how I end each comment strictly on topic, which he's trying desperately to lead the "discussion" away from. Eventually he'll huff off in a shower of dramaqueen dust, vowing never to return, as he always does. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:13, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Only in your dreams. Eric Corbett 04:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Right, right—I made it up. It never happens. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Why pretend to have a working crystal ball when you clearly don't? Eric Corbett 05:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Why hang around my talkpage when you could be looking for someone to help get that bug out of your ass? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Comic relief

A peek into the mind of Eric Crobett—I'll have to bookmark this forever. He's so worked up over this Sea Mither horseshit, he trudged over to my John Wilson Bengough article (which he oticed had just been promoted to GA today) to "prove" what a shitty writer I am by making 14 copyedits (the more he makes, the worse I look, right?). Taking a look—well, he did find a missing "the", but for the most part his edits were shit that I had to revert. Some even introduced errors:

• changed "He supported the Liberals in their successful win of the Canadian federal election" to "He supported the Liberal's success in the Canadian federal election", introducing two errors: misuse of the apostrophe, and changing the sense of the sentence to having Bengough support the win and not the campaign
• changed "though" to "although" in four separate edits (see above)—who taught him this? the same schoolmarm who taught him never to split an infinitive? Cambridge and Fowler disagree, and I'm not going to bother hunting up more examples.
• changing "frustrated with" to "frustrated by" (why make "the lack of opportunities" the actor? That's not even really the sense of the sentence. Barf. Regardless, this was no improvement.)
• changing colons to semicolons for no apparent reason (did he not bother to read the sentences?)
• other changes that couldn't be considered "fixes"

Okay, so he botched the copyedit—plenty folk do. But then he hikes triumphantly over to Talk:Sea Mither and sisk-boom-bahs himself about his fuckup with "Judging by the state of your John Wilson Bengough article I don't see that you're in any position to be passing judgement" as if he were showing me up. I never would have expected this POINT-y adolescent horseshit even from Eric, and it deeply satisfies me to see it blow up so magnificently in his smug mug. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

• Holy fucking Christ, but he actually fucking pulled this. Sorry, Prhartcom‎, but "good faith" it is not—just read his edit comment: "you both" is me, and Cambridge (and Fowler, which he's also aware of). He's trolling. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:29, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
• Fucking troll. I'd say he still doesn't understand what he's reading, but it's clear he's not even bothering to read it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:49, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

The whole section above is reason enough. It's very clear you're trying to rile Corbett up to the point where he breaches one of his sanctions. That's quite enough. MLauba ^(Talk) 01:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

That's not in the least bit clear, but it's totally clear that Eric's being persistently disruptive. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Curly Turkey/Archive (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

The blocking admin admits he has not investigated the context, which includes not only a long series of personal attacks and deceptions by Eric Corbett, but the active disruption on his part at Sea Mither, Nuckelavee, and most especially at John Wilson Bengough, all of which prompted my responses. This block is strictly punitive and does nothing the stop the disruption of the encyclopaedia. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Reversed by the blocking admin; I endorse the unblock. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Are other editors to be held responsible for Eric's rampages in article space? That seems to be one of the implications of MLauba's block rationale---that I somehow goaded Eric into attacking the Bengough article. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• I'm no fan of CT's vulgarity, but the edits he pointed out above are truly bizarre and in my mind deserved to be noted as pointy, un-called-for, and apparently vindictive. I don't see how this relates to "one of [Eric's] sanctions". And since this block occurred without any community discussion (that I am aware of), it seems out-of-the-blue and out-of-process. It's CT's talk page -- he's free as far as I know to discuss or point out issues here that bother him. Softlavender (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, if I may, I see this block as even more out-of-process as it was made by a virtually absentee admin whose edit count has been an average of 10 edits per month for the past 5 years. I think it's time to turn in the old mop (or possibly for the mop to be removed for, among other things, insufficient Wikipedia presence). Softlavender (talk) 03:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, from what I could see looking at recent interactions between you is an escalating ego contest. However, it appears that over the past couple of days, you took the lead in personalizing this dispute. I could obviously continue thrawling through your edits since the 23rd, but there's little point. About every second talk page comment you made since the morning of March 23rd, while indeed concluding on content, starts with an attack, on multiple editors. I'm perfectly willing to buy the notion that you have let yourself get carried away in irritation, but the increasing spiral of taunting and attacks has to stop. Long story short, I'm perfectly happy to unblock you myself if you commit to return to commenting on content instead of contributors. MLauba ^(Talk) 09:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• MLauba: I have to question your choice of diffs (??—you can't be serious), but I can promise to dial things back (though I do not acknowledge this block was ever legitimate). Can I assume Eric's disruptions will be dealt with now? There's no denying he's on a vendetta. He's crossed 3RR and has made it clear he will not stop. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Is that how you dial things back? I believe you'll want to dial them back several notches further. You are still talking at him instead of to him: "There's no denying he's on a vendetta" is still firmly commenting on contributors instead of content.
• I have no interest in getting in a game of "user hasn't crossed the minimum threshold of contrition expected" and will unblock you under the assumption that you will take this to heart. Perhaps you can consider taking a pause from this matter, or better yet, find a way of leading a dialogue based on collaboration instead of confrontation. Most users cannot be argued with, but reasoning with them tends to work a lot better. MLauba ^(Talk) 10:22, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:24, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I was going to write in support of an unblock, but edit conflicted. Anyway, the above scenario will be familiar to anyone who's spent any substantial time improving articles to FAC over a number of years, where you get two strong editors who both think they know better and logjam against each other. Had I seen the edit war last night, I would have done a short full-protect and told the pair of you to calm down; frankly I think Eric and Curly are like matches and gasoline and should be kept apart from each other in order to keep the peace. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Ritchie333: What should be done at John Wilson Bengough? Should I revert? The edits were clearly in bad faith, but I don't want to put myself across 3RR. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Going after your recently promoted GA was a dick move, but continuing the conflict will not make the article better (even if it reverts to language you prefer), it will make it more contentious. The use of a semi-colon changes the precise meaning of the sentence to me (minding that English is my third language), but doesn't really degrade the narrative. If you can live with the change, I'd let it go; otherwise talking about why the nuance is important to you and asking for suggestions on how to convey it best should get you to a better result than arguing about dictionaries. MLauba ^(Talk) 11:12, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

(ec) The edit summaries might have been bad-faith, but the content doesn't appear to have been - I have never seen Eric edit an article in any way that wasn't an obvious good faith improvement to it. As to what you should do, well out of you, me and Eric, I think it's reasonable to say I've had the least experience with reading the article and understanding the topic, so I'd be the worst person to recommend advice. From a quick look, the quibble about "He supported the Liberals in their successful win of the Canadian federal election" (as opposed to supporting the campaign) seems to have been resolved of its own accord in the current revision, and my gut feeling is a Canadian editor is more likely to pick up on the nuances of that variety of English than a British one, but that's about as far as I'd go for the minute. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

This was surely not a good-faith edit, but pure disruption. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion at Talk:John Wilson Bengough#Colon changed to semicolon. Could Ritchie333 and MLauba please monitor it? I think you'll understand if my hopes are low regarding the likely quality of the discussion. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If I may pipe up, as for some reason I am awake and reading and even participating in this talk-page discussion, as a very experienced professional editor (yes, I am one; see my userpage), I'd like to say that the only edit that CT diffed far above that I agree with is changing "frustrated with" to "frustrated by". And Lord knows I have no dog in this fight, as CT can confirm given our "history" ;-). Softlavender (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Softlavender: There's an important difference between "frustrated with" and "frustrated by". Compare the sentences "Their plans were frustrated by the efforts of their rivals" versus "I'm very frustrated (with|at) you, young man". The first "frustrated" is a past participle; the second an adjective. The sense of the sentence is: "Bengough was frustrated that he lacked opportunities to have his cartoons published". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion "by" is more opportune in many ways: It's more precise in that the frustration was an operative factor in his taking action, and it avoids the mind-numbing parallel repetition of the word "with" -- such repetitions cause the reader's mind to wander or 'glaze over'; using the word "by" keeps the reader interested and focused and also makes the sentence less passive and more active (similar to using active voice versus passive voice). Anyway, not going to spend any more time on this; someone can copy any of this over to the TP in question if they like. Softlavender (talk) 12:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Ritchie333 and MLauba: Here's Eric continuing with the targeted "copyediting" and personal attacks. Seriously, now, this is never going to end. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:05, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Nobody cares, really, about this trivial spat. You and Eric are peas in a pod, except that he is not litigious. Let it happen. Ceoil (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

And then he'll step onto the next article, and the next, and the next ... no, I'm not about to "let it happen". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Not likely, given your the one exasperating the situation. Not a great field to die on. Ceoil (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

That's an impressive trick, bending over that far backwards to defend Eric's disruptive editing. Like I said before: just like blaming a woman for the clothes she wore. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Well done in re casting bull horn locking with "woman's plight". As I say, peas in a pod. Ceoil (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

What "bull horn locking"? I haven't touched his fucking articles. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

He's referring to whatever pissing contest it is that you're involved in here. Comparing it to rape blaming is frankly offensive, and you should know better. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

So substitute a more inocuous example of "blame the victim"—I called out Eric on his deceptiveness and he responded by attacking an article, and people are saying I should have "known better" and and doing nothing to curtail Eric's rampage. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 15:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Sure looks a lot like folk are much more interested in people's words than their actions around here. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 15:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, not really; I think your article work is very strong, we have shared interests, so I sometimes follow your edits. Ditto for Eric. This is one of those "two guys I respect re squabbling" situations, and my original post was meant in a choose your battles more carefully, and not get into "victim" bullshit. Although god knows I'm the last person who should be giving advice on feisty management! Look, its not, was not, worth getting blocked over, who gives a damn if someone on the internet is wrong. You should *just carry on*. Ceoil (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

• A timely clip... --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 19:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Batman#Genius intellect

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Batman#"Genius intellect". DrRNC (talk) 02:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, the irony of it all...

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This guy is facing a potential CBAN at the moment. I haven't read enough to say whether he deserves it yet, but this comment really got to me. He apparently wrote a bunch of really dodgy articles with disastrous sourcing problems. Who else do we know like that? Whether Wikicology ultimately gets banned or not, it's on the table, but at least he responded to the sourcing issues with essentially "Oh, did I do that? It does look to be wrong, but I can't for the life of me remember writing it. Sorry for the trouble I caused." Our other friend would likely respondactually did respond to those same concerns with "The article isn't wrong. You're wrong.", even on a high-traffic ANI thread.

The contrite one who recognizes his disruption, even without indication that it won't happen again, gets CBANned, and the one with even worse CIR and IDHT issues has thusfar got off without anymore than a few days' block that was effectively negated by my receiving the same block.

Wikipedia is funny sometimes...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:52, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• I'm not sure "irony" is the word, but it would be nice to get such an apology. Someday that history of Japan article will have to be cleaned up. Got a shovel? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry. The "irony" is that the one who at least is polite and respectful about his disruption is on the chopping block, but the one who continues to insist that no disruption took place despite everyone saying otherwise has gotten off scott-free so far. Anyway, I frankly think the admin who promised to block him if further disruption took place and then when this happened immediately tried to shift the blame onto me should be de-sysoped for actively facilitating his disruption, but that shit almost never works. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

It never does—all the more reason to ♩let it go♩ ... while he appears to have vanished. Save your rage for when he's actually doing something. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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You wanna talk in our smokey poorly-lit room and plot the destruction of western civilization again?

The Warlord of Mars seems to be unable to just let me get on with my life, and if he gets his way in the latest ANI fustercluck I might even be blocked for a month (!?) -- I'm not sure what to do about this, but I don't think I'll allowed to discuss it openly on-wiki. Recent events have convinced me that even if everything is on public record and everyone can clearly see that John Carter is lying, some users won't even care, and don't seem to realize that anyone would have a lapse in civility when faced with something like that, so what's the point of using talk pages rather than exchanging private emails? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I see one editor proposing a block and nobody picking up on it. Remember what I told you? ANI is full of freaks who are just waiting in ambush for someone to swear so they can propose a block. I left another comment, but I won't be watchlisting the page—ANI tends to eat up a watchlist. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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"extended confirmed user"?

Can anyone tell me what an "extended confirmed user" is? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, this right allows you to edit pages with Arbitration 30/500 protection. HOTmag (talk) 02:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Any suggestions?

Based on your experience at promoting articles, I would like to have your feedback on the issues you see for the The Fourteen Infallibles to be done before promotion. You can naturally ignore this message if you're not willing to contribute. Thanks. Mhhossein (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I'm not sure what advice to give—I have very little experience with lists and have never tried to get one promoted, so I'm not sure what the expectations are. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 14:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

GAR input

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Eminem/1 hasn't really got much input ever since only one user left comments following its initiation. Care to leave any opinions on whether it should be delisted? Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

• Not a subject I can claim any expertise in—or even much passive knowledge, really—but I'll take a peek. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New Wave of British Heavy Metal/archive1

I started the procedure to have the New Wave of British Heavy Metal article promoted to WP:FA. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New Wave of British Heavy Metal/archive1 needs discussants. Since you were a contributor to the article, I am hoping you might give some comments. Lewismaster (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Bembo update

Thanks for the thoughts! I've cleaned up most of the problems you highlighted and will be thinking about the others. Blythwood (talk) 12:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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NWOBHM

Sorry mate that's not what I was trying to do.

Nürö G'däÿ 01:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

"Linguistic prescription" and "Linguistic description"?

You've edited these types of articles more than I have, but when I studied these in college they were called "prescriptive linguistics" and "descriptive linguistics" -- any idea if they were moved to their current titles at some point? Did someone think that using an "adjective" as a "countable noun" in the title would be too much of an Americanism? Google seems to agree with me[3][4] and that doesn't even take into account that "linguistic description" is an ambiguous phrase that could describe any description that happens to be linguistic in nature. I have half a mind to open an RM. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• I suspect it's just whatever the creator of the article happened to call it and nobody's bothered to rename it, since it's not "wrong" or anything (I haven't checked the history to confirm this). Try just moving it and see if anyone kicks up a fuss---I do that all the time without anyone saying a word. Just give WP:COMMONNAME or something as the move rationale. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I just noticed that the lead to Linguistic prescription links to Linguistic description via Descriptive linguistics. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I know. That was what initially tipped me off. It seems to be loath to refer to the other topic by the name of that article, so that the articles' titles don't even really match the way the articles themselves are written. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:32, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

The article was created in 2003 by an editor who hasn't edited since 2005. Just move it. If it doesn't let you, open an RM. Just say it's the common name. You won't need any other argument unless someone actually opposes it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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Impostor

That wasn't me. That was an impostor account User:Linguist1111, who was forging my signature. Linguist 111^talk 23:14, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

• Ah. Looks like they've caused a lot of work for you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean? Linguist 111^talk 23:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I mean, reverting all that shit. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, right. I didn't revert them, (an)other user(s) did. I only reverted the one on your page and the one they left on my page. But thanks :D Linguist 111^talk 23:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

This guy is blocked for battleground behaviour

Entire section is greatly at variance with the civility policy. If I notice that someone's restored the chunks I've deleted or continued the discussion, I'll block the person involved without further warning. Nyttend (talk) 03:50, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

• That's one heavy hand! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:52, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 10, 2016

Hi Curly, I'll get to work on this TFA today. - Dank (push to talk) 22:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

• Wow, my last TFA was McCay as well. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Brian and Chris tend to pick what they need to get even representation of various categories. - Dank (push to talk) 23:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Precious again, your "shortish article on one of Winsor McCay's small yet enormously influential œuvre of animated films from the earliest days of the form"!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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April 2016

As you've noticed, the page I've Seen All Good People has been persistently vandalized by a proxy hopper. As an FYI, this editor has been vandalizing several other pages, including these music articles: The Band, John Bindon, and I am the Walrus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.225.3 (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

• Weird. "I've Seen All Good People" stood out for me because, well, how could you fucking miss that? What a weird beef to have, whatever it is. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi Curly Turkey. I noticed your undo of one of my edits on the Winsor McCay article with the edit summary no—please don't ever do that. Just wondering, why shouldn't I ever do that? I would like to know so I don't do that in the future. Thanks in advance. epicgenius (talk) 03:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

• Considerable effort went into organizing all the refs (though they've recently been severely messed with, and I haven't cleaned them all up yet). Well-organized refs make article maintenance considerably quicker and easier. I find single-line refs nigh-unreadable, and don't want to waste editing time trying to wade through dozens of nigh-unreadable refs. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Now I understand. Thanks for explaining why the refs were laid out in a multiple-line format. epicgenius (talk) 09:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Social justice warrior

Hi. It's awkward to protect talkpages, and there's no need in this case, at least not right now. As I said on WP:AN3, I've blocked the whole /64 range, which includes the other IP.[5] The edit you saw[6] was done before my block. They've posted their unblock request on the other userpage, so you can see the rangeblock is working. Bishonen | talk 08:09, 30 April 2016 (UTC).

• Okay, whatever works. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Disney

Hi CT, Thanks so much for your comments on the Disney article. I've made a start on dealing with your comments (they are in this set of edits), but I wonder if there was anything in particular you wanted to see. (One of your comments was "I'd like to see some brief background on animation and Hollywood—Disney was in almost on the ground floor with both": if you could give a little indication of what you'd like to see added, I'll see what I can do). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 20:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

• Well, as to Hollywood, I wonder if the sources give any reason for "Disney moved to Hollywood in July 1923." The earliest American animators and animation studios all worked out east (especially NYC): Blackton, McCay, Bray Producitons, Fleischer Studios, Terrytoons, Sullivan ... so, if Disney was going to move, why was it to Hollywood rather than, say, NYC, where there were plenty of cartoonists and facilities? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oh, I just noticed you added something about why he chose LA. Were the reasons all personal? I guess it sounds that way if his distributor was in New York. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
    • I'll have another look over Gabler (the most complete of the biographers) to see if there is anything additional, but as far as I can see from the others, it was to do with where Roy was. More anon. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
      • I was going to add another comment to the PR, but I guess it's been archived. I'd substitute "African American" for "black" throughout, for a couple of reasons—I didn't immediately parse "half donkey/half black" as meaning "half African American" (though I suppose I should have in the context). It would be easier to parse if "black" were capitalized or something, but I guess we don't do that—but also "black" doesn't necessarily refer only to African Americans (perhaps especially amongst non-American readers), whereas the stereotyping is restricted to African Americans (and not, say, Indigenous Australians or other dark-skinned people who are often called "black" but are not associated with the same stereotypes). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
        • I guess you responded to my comment on the talk page. After reading the above, I guess it should be obvious why the sentence is now ambiguous ("black birds" are not in the least uncommon, after all). I'd recast the sentence to make it clear it's a bird whose colour is black who acts in a manner stereotyping African Americans (and I hope you don't copy-paste such an ugly wording). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
          • OK, done the black bird (now black-colored), swapped out AA for black, and trimmed further on the controversies section. I'll have another swing through that in a day or so to see if there is anything else that can be taken out. I had another look through Barrier, Gabler, Thomas and Eliot and none provide much more on the move to Hollywood. I think we may have enough on his various technical developments within the text, although they are dotted around a little. Let me know if you want a little more added at key points. I also want to work his developments into the lead a little more when I do some more work on that. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Stanley Milgram

You've been around Wikipedia for a number of years so I won't template you. Why did you change the spelling of his name? And why did you remove that he is Jewish? I'll try to assume good faith and restrain myself from calling it vandalism. But I do want an explanation. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean, "remove that he was Jewish"? The whole section says he's a Jew, over and over and over again, and the sentence I removed that from says he was born to Jewish parents. There's an embarrassing amount of redundancy there. Are you afraid people won't know he's Jewish if you don't say it enough times per sentence? Maybe, just to be absolutely certain, the sentence should read "The Jewish Jew Milgram, who was Jewish, was born in 1933 to a Jewish family of Jews who were Jewish in the Bronx in New York City, and was Jewish."

The spelling was a mistake (or are you accusing me of something there?) Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016

This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, as you did at Stanley Milgram, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Sundayclose (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Jesus fuck, Sundayclose, but what is wrong with you? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the copy edit

Thanks for the copy edit of Kim Davis (county clerk), even though it took you six edits to add twelve characters. It's up for peer review and GA. Do you think the article is in good shape? Prhartcom (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

• I didn't really look at it closely enough to see—I was just going around a bunch of articles making easy MoS fixes before going to bed—but I can take a closer look. You've got some balls—I'd never try myself to bring such a politically charged article to GA. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm doing a more thorough copyedit now, and am leaving feedback on the talk page. So far, the only thing I see that would hold up a GA review is a single uncited sentence. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the encouragement. It's fun being ballsy. (Except you have to work with so many other people.) I did it already at the Germanwings Flight 9525 article so this one was my next step.

I just completed improving the article per your copy edit/peer review. That was intense, so very needed, and very helpful on your part; thanks again. It's so funny to be working completely alone with you on that article now. Last Summer and Fall, every Tom, Dick, and Harry (most of them regulars to the talk page but few of them contributors to the actual article) would weigh in and fill the talk page with every possible opinion of everything we ever tried to do, with repeated AfD and RfC and MV and ANI and ... It's so much better now; much quieter. All the best, —Prhartcom♥ 22:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you think of the message left at the talk page at Little Annie Fanny regarding the title in quote marks instead of italics? —Prhartcom♥ 12:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

• Scroll down---I've already pinged Tenebrae about it. He's misreading the MoS. Ongoing features receive italics. It's easy to misunderstand. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

It's mouse time!

Many thanks for your input at the recent PR for Walt Disney. The article is now at FAC should you wish to comment further. Thanks again – SchroCat (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

...invented to explain...

Sorry, Curly Turkey. Should have credited you. Awien (talk) 21:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

• Awien: That's not what I meant by the comment—I just didn't want my support to be characterized as a "me too". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Should've credited you anyway. Awien (talk) 23:21, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Little Annie Fanny

Hi, Curly. As always, it's good to hear from you. I first posted my concern on April 29 at Talk:Little Annie Fanny#Title punctuation. But briefly, WikiProject:Comics MOS is to put features in quote marks and the actual title of a magazine or comic book in italics, i.e., "The Human Torch" in Strange Tales. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

• Tenebrae: I think you're misreading the MoS. Series are italicized—such as Little Orphan Annie—and individual stories are put in quotes, as in "Master Race" in Impact. Little Annie Fannie was an ongoing series, and the individual episodes would be in quotes ("Little Annie Fanny Shows Up Curly Turkey"). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure, and WP:CMOS#TITLES doesn't specifically mention features. But it does say we put storylines in quote marks, which suggests to me that features are in quotes as well:

• Identity Crisis, the title of a DC Comics limited series, should be italicized. "Identity Crisis", the title of a Spider-Man storyline that leads to the creation of the Slingers, should be in quotation marks. [...]
• In 2006, Marvel published the "Civil War" cross-over event. The flagship title of the event is the limited series Civil War.

On the other hand, it might be that you and I have stumbled onto a hole in the MOS, and that we need to get consensus on treatment of features. I know that for me saying, The Human Torch in Strange Tales feels like Formation on Lemonade. What are your thoughts? --Tenebrae (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "Human Torch" refers to here—was it formally a title? Quotemarks are normally used for article titles and titles of short stories. If it's a multipart story, if it's long enough it would stand alone as a book, it gets italics: thus Maus in Raw and From Hell in Taboo. If it's short enough that it wouldn't likely be published as a stand-alone book (even if multipart), then it gets quotemarks. There's a grey area where's it's hard to judge whether something is, say, a long short story or a short novella, but that's not what we're dealing with here. If it's intended as an ongoing series, it gets italics: thus Hejji, while it ran for only three months and featured in only one newspaper, gets italics, even though it would never conceivably be published as a standalone book. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I was waiting for Tenebrae to self-revert their changes to the article, but have gone ahead and done so myself. Best, —Prhartcom♥ 12:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Quite alright. I think some distinctions might be drawn between features in comic books and those in magazines, but if you could take a look at Talk:Little Annie Fanny, I'm thinking we can centralize discussion there. With thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 21:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I've now twice been told to not tell people when they are rude and inflaming, because apparently that's rude and inflaming. I still however believe that's utter nonsense, especially considering one of the persons that said so was one of the people I warned. Now, with that caveat emptor:

Please don't do personal attacks as [7]. It's not helping and can get you blocked. --OpenFuture (talk) 08:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

• That's quite the low threshold for "Personal attacks", especially when you look at Cassianto's comments, which are unambiguously so. He's obviously there for no reason but to stir the pot. Whatever, I'll disengage now that that horseshit's been collapsed. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Fucking Christ, but I see he's calling you a troll on your talk page. Who's baiting whom? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Just don't let yourself get baited, that's all. --OpenFuture (talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Hello, i would like to thank you for removing my vandalism. I was trying to see how long it would take on the featured page of the day and you answered that for me, so thank you very much. Flash0920 (talk) 20:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

How a Mosquito Operates

Hello,

you wrote this article and I'm translating it in french. But, as I don't have access to the John Canemaker's book (Winsor McCay: His Life and Art), I've got some questions about the disappearance of the frames with the taxi. Maybe you could help me : have you got more informations about this event ? Were those frames stolen by the taximan ? Or, maybe could you send me by mail a copy of the page of the book speaking about that ?

Sorry for my bad english. Sincerely. --Lepsyleon (talk) 09:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

It says on p. 164: "The cabman stopped for a few drinks en route, and the 'police found the cab several days later in a shanty 'way down on what they call the flatlands, and the horse was two or three miles away'". Doesn't sound like to me like they were stolen. Maybe I could add some detail to the article. Don't apologize for your English! It's fine! If you want a good laugh, go look at my attempt at translating Southern Cross (wordless novel) into French! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your help. Another question : have you got others informations on "The film had to be shot twice due to lighting issues at the studio" (canemaker, p.164). For example, all the film or only a part of the film had to be shot twice ? And your french is not bad from what I have seen. --Lepsyleon (talk) 10:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

It says "the alternating intensity of the arc lights used to illuminate the artwork caused annoying flickers when the finished film was projected, and so it had to be reshot." Sounds like the whole film. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for all your answers  ! Have a nice day! --Lepsyleon (talk) 12:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Email

Sent you one. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, I always thought the same thing about that guy, especially when he did that thing to that guy that time. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

• I know. And can you believe that that other guy ended up doing that to him? I mean, it's like I don't even know that guy anymore. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:00, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kusumoto Ine

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Request

Please don't tell me "You're not thinking from the perspective of the editors" again. Whatever my thought processes are, you're not privy to them, and I don't appreciate your attempt to insult me by claiming that I'm not considering other editors' perspectives. --RexxS (talk) 04:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

• "You're not thinking from the perspective of the editors" is your alleged insult? Give us all a fucking break. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata and infoboxes

Thank you for starting the RfC on Wikidata and infoboxes. I explained there what happened at Night (book). [8] I was thinking of starting an RfC because of that, but hadn't thought of what to say, so thank you for seeing that there's a problem. SarahSV ^(talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Input request

Would you mind to weigh in on this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#First Appearance vs Cameo? Please and thanks! Argento Surfer (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't (only) about you-know-who

(The timing backs me up on that.)

I thought if I proposed a slight addition (seven words!) to the wording of the page so as to clarify something that I thought was uncontroversial (that if someone requests a citation for an unsourced and dubious claim, and a citation is provided, but the citation is found not to support the claim, then this is a reasonable argument to make for requesting a better citation or removing the claim) it would go through without any controversy, and it would be a hell of a lot easier dealing with talk page shitstorms when a user claims BURDEN is on their side when it isn't.

It's quite a common problem, and I have experienced it with a whole bunch of users in a broad range of topic areas. I figured citing the best-known recent example of a user who claimed he believed in good faith that his sources backed up the dubious claims to which they were attached when they clearly didn't it would be enough. Everyone there was familiar with the Wikicology case, and if they weren't they ought to have been. It apparently wasn't enough evidence that this is a recurring problem, so I decided to go with the next best example, and it was exactly what you were thinking of.

But I'm sworn off ever attempting to edit a core policy page. Ever. If you see me trying to do that again, please stop me! You saw the mess on MOS:KOREA -- but at least there (on guideline and essay pages as opposed to core policy pages) users who agree with a proposed amendment on the substance will usually support the amendment, whereas on core policy pages the majority of users who agree with you will still oppose you on the principle that core policy pages cannot be edited without a ton of evidence and thousands of bytes of discussion. I actually agree that pages like that should not be edited willy-nilly (if I could do that then so could people with more dubious interpretations).

But the threshold is just too high, and it's not worth the stress. I'd rather just put up with the occasional talk page shitstorm rather than cut them off at the source by making the policy page say what it actually means.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

• It's an issue, obviously, but I'm not sure the proposed solution would have helped—gamers know how to game the system, after all. Maybe leave it for now and bring it up for discussion another time—not another proposal, but a "here's a problem, how do we deal with it?" kind of thing. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

This is a thing, apparently...

File:Eveready Harton in Buried Treasure.ogv

Eveready Harton in Buried Treasure

• Yeah, this (NSFW?). Apparently made for Winsor McCay (only reason I bring it up here). :-/  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:47, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I've seen it. Pretty funny! Definitely NSFW. I'm surprised the video wasn't in the article, since it's on Commons. I tried to add it, but apparently it can be added only by an admin to prevent vandalism. お願い出来る？ Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
    • It's on Commons? Yeah, I'd expect they didn't give a copyright notice. I'll add it in the article. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
      • Alright, exception made for the article on the film. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
        • What did you have to do to add it? I don't see you adding it in the edit history. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
          • WP:BADIMAGES. Admin privileges needed to edit the list, however. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
            • I can see how it gets cleared for the article, but how did it get added to the article itself? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
              • It was already in the article, in the lead space. It was just affected by the blacklist. That's why it's not showing here. If I were to add your page to the blacklist as an exception, the file would show up automatically here. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
                • Ah—got it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
                  • Fun with automation! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Your comment on the actress talk

Do I understand "automatic infoboxes from Wikidata" right? If actress YZ has an article in French, but not yet in English, an English article of mainly an infobox could be derived from Wikidata? Would be a brilliant idea, imho. - Did you know that the Italians have a templated lead (see here), - no infobox but all info parameter-value pairs. Might be another brilliant idea, for those who don't like the looks, but makes lead sections stereotype, - that's why I would still prefer the box approach. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

• That's the idea, although they say they'll start with more minor Wikipedias: Irish, Esperanto, etc. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

hint hint: I have a FAC open, second attempt, first suffered from lack of responses, - seems familiar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't really hang around FAC anymore, but I might take a peek later today. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

About this comment

Was that meant to insult him or what? Just asking because I got asked if it was acceptable and I didn't know the answer. Misceditor1000 (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

• Misceditor1000: Cassianto was trawling through BU Rob13's user page to find something to slag him about. I was pointing out Cassianto's underhandedness—you could substitute "Canadian football" for "gay" (or anything else on the page) and the comment would mean the same thing. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. Okay. Thanks for letting me know. Misceditor1000 (talk) 01:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Commentary

I have just blocked Cassianto for personal attacks. On their talk page they have expressed concern about this edit. I am having trouble understanding the context of it. Were you commenting on BU_Rob13 or Cassianto in that comment? HighInBC 00:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay I have now found the "This Wikipedian is gay" on BU_Rob13's user page and see that your comment was not a comment on BU ROB13 but an insuination that Cassianto was anti-gay. Just because someone diminishes another person's contributions by pointing out their relative inexperience does not make them homophobic. Cassianto's remarks were out of line but your response was also out of line. I am giving you a 72 hour block for personal attacks which is the same block Cassianto got responding to you.

Please note that the reason you are getting a block and not a warning is that you have had 2 personal attack blocks before. HighInBC 00:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

• @HighInBC: The insinuation was that Cassianto was digging under every rock to slag everyone he disagreed with on that page. Take a look: it's personal attack after personal attack directed at Moxy, Littleoliveoil, BU Rob13, and myself (" thank you for your non-contributions", "I know you don't have much intelligence", etc etc etc). Cassianto's comments are unambiguous personal attacks—mine was no more than pointing it out, and could have been about any aspect of BU Rob13's user page—it could've been about Canadian football and would have made the exact same point. Don't fall for Cassianto's crocodile tears—he doesn't himself believe I was accusing him of homophobia. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Waking up to this: Instead of blocking one editor or two, one or two admins should stand ready to monitor the discussion, @HighInBC:@Newyorkbrad:? - I disliked most: "you were made to look like the idiot you are" (not directed at me, - I dislike it about anyone), now mercifully collapsed. - I tried to walk away after two comments, - just imagine others had done the same ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I get the point you were trying to make about ad hominem attacks. However you did it in a manner the did indeed suggest you thought he was capable of being homophobic. If you had used Canadian football as example instead of him being gay then we would not be here. You say "he doesn't himself believe I was accusing him of homophobia" but I think you should read what you said and consider that this is a reasonable interpretation of the comment.

You posted on Rob's page flat out stating it was a crack at Cassianto. If you meant to get across that that Cassianto was making personal attacks you chose a very poor way of doing it. I will give you the same advice I gave Cassianto, instead of responding to personal attacks with your own personal attacks you should instead take it to an admin to prevent.

In my opinion the two of you provoked each other back and forth until you both said something worthy of a block. If you feel my interpretation of things is wrong then I have no objections to you seeking a review of this block. HighInBC 01:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@HighInBC: You need to take a closer look at that page. Minus Cassianto, there would be no personal attacks, and the comment I was blocked for was not a personal attack. How's this—I promise to disengage so that I can get back to finishing Sept haï-kaïs, which now has a couple of harv errors that need to be fixed? After all, if I'm not engaging with Cassianto, this block could serve no purpose. Cassianto, on the other hand, is devoted to shutting down and attacking the other commenters there. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

You really made a compelling argument until you followed it up with "Cassianto, on the other hand..." - This is not a great example of disengaging. Your comment was part of a back and forth provocation the resulted in a block of Cassianto and I cannot find you blameless in this.

I would be more willing to unblock if you had not had two personal attack blocks in the past and an unblock "Per agreement to return to dialogue instead of confrontation". It looks like someone tried to unblock you based on a promise in the past and here we are again. The fact that you still don't recognize it as a personal attack gives me little confidence it will not be repeated in the future in some similar form.

I stand by this block, you can either wait it out or ask for a review. HighInBC 02:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@HighInBC: We've established the comment was not a personal attack. What am I thus being blocked for? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I find it concerning that is what you are taking away from this. HighInBC 02:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Don't be cryptic, User:HighInBC—we're here because you misunderstood a comment, after all. What's concerning is the "guilty, even when proven innocent" implications of maintaining such a block. Isn't it bad enough that this "personal attack" that never happened is now on my permanent record? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

You have been told by many people that your comment was inappropriate. I hope Newyorkbrad is reading your response to being unblocked. HighInBC 03:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad—I'm honestly interested in hearing what you have to say about my concerns. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Right, so ignore it. That solves lots of problems. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Based on your edit summary "no accountability" it seems you have concerns about administrative accountability. I am not sure if you mean User:Newyorkbrad or myself. If you mean me then you are welcome to express your concerns on my talk page. If you are concerned about Newyorkbrad's accountability in this matter then I am genuinely confused as they were the one who unblocked you. HighInBC 21:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll comment below as the threading here is getting confusing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Curly Turkey/Archive (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

The comment I was blocked for was not a personal attack, and I've promised above to disengage from Cassianto. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Unblocked by Newyorkbrad. Please avoid such inappropriate comments in the future. HighInBC 02:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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The comment in question was inappropriate and it is readily understandable why Cassianto and HighInBC construed it as they did. Nonetheless, in view of the entire circumstances and the unblock request, I recommend a reduction to time served. Leaving open for other admins to comment if they wish. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I have no problem with this. HighInBC 02:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Unblocked accordingly. HighInBC, thanks for the prompt feedback. I am in transit on a mobile at the moment so if another admin would finish the "paperwork" in the template I'd appreciate it. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Responding here to the request above that I comment further. I've taken another look at the events from the other day, and my reaction is the same as I had at the time. You and another editor were engaged in a heated dispute during which he made some ill-tempered comments, and you made the response that HighInBC blocked you for. You've explained that you did not mean that remark as a slur or accusation, and based both on your editing history and everything I know about you, plus our principal of AGF, I accept that. Nonetheless, I think it is understandable why other people thought you meant something more than what you did. Bringing a subject like sexual orientation into a heated discussion about something else is never a good idea as it is the sort of thing that is liable to get misinterpreted even when meant innocently. I am sure you understand that. However, given your explanation, and your promise to disengaged, I unblocked you almost immediately, and almost certainly faster than most other administrators would have done.

I hope this is helpful, but if you want to discuss further, please let me know. However, I will have only limited online time over the upcoming holiday weekend, so if I don't answer something here right away, it does not mean I am ignoring you. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I can understand why the error would be made. I'm concerned that an admin would "stand by" it after acknowledging it was in error. I'd like this concern addressed explicitly.

Nor was this merely a "heated exchange" between Cassianto and myself. Here are my first two comments: [9][10]—and here's Cassianto's response: [11]. Cassianto's aggressiveness and personal attacks were there before I showed up, and was not in response to any behaviour of mine—as Gerda's comment above confirms. Remove me from the discussion and there'd be just as much disruption—remove Cassianto and there'd be no disruption. Disruption was Cassianto's goal. Mine was to point that out. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

As you know, it wasn't my block. I have no control over whether another admin stands by one of his blocks in the sense that he still believes it was correct when imposed, even after he agreed to its being lifted when I asked him to. Is there something specific you would like me to do? Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I stood by my block because it was a provocative comment that escalated an already heated situation to its breaking point. Even if you intended to make a weaker jab, it was in fact a rather harsh jab. After the block you then went on to accuse the other editor of crocodile tears.

Imagine if someone said something to you that suggested you were bigoted and you lashed out at them and got a block for personal attacks, would you think it reasonable for the other person not to also be blocked? A poor choice of words is a reasonable explanation, but you doubled down on it by insisting that Cassianto was malingering to get you in trouble when their offence was very understandable.

Even now after being unblocked based on a promise to disengage you say "remove Cassianto and there'd be no disruption. Disruption was Cassianto's goal.". If you think I was out of line you may seek greater scrutiny of this incident, but I think you would not benefit from it. HighInBC 22:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm worried if this is a precedent being set, or worse—if it reflects a long-standing precedent. HighInBC cited a previous block I'd had against me—another one that was disputed and quickly lifted—as justification for blocking me without warning. Even though this block was in error, it'll obviously be more "evidence" against me in the future. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Warnings are for people not aware of the policies. You were aware. The problem is not a lack of notification as can be demonstrated by the fact that you are still saying it is not a personal attack. HighInBC 22:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

still saying it is not a personal attack—it was not a personal attack. We've established that. You acknowledged as much in your second comment here. You're taking that back now? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

This is very much not established, it is in fact the crux of the matter. I don't know if it is a difference in words being used but what I call a personal attack you refer to as a "crack" here. I am willing to accept that you did not mean to imply the Cassianto was homophobic, but that does not change the fact that what you said did indeed suggest that. Can you really not see how that comment was out of line? HighInBC 22:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

It has been established, you did acknowledge it, so you are taking it back. I've acknowledged it was a poor choice of words and didn't blame you for your mistake—but you have acknowleged it was not a personal attack. Is every misinterpreted choice of words not just worthy of a block, but worthy of maintaining a block even after acknowledging it was a mistake? Here's what I mean by "no accountability". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

You are going to have to quote me because I don't remember saying it was not a personal attack. HighInBC 23:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Your second comment---or are you saying if I'd said "Canadian football" instead of "gay", it would have been a personal attack? Come on, now---even you didn't see it as a "personal attack" until Cassianto framed it for you that way. The context simply doesn't support such an interpretation. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I said that if you had used different words it would not have been so bad, but you did not use different words. Even if you did not mean to be offensive your were very offensive, and rather than accept that what you said sounded offensive you instead accused another editors of false tears to get you in trouble. The comment was a problem, you not accepting it was a problem is another problem.

There is little point in us going back and forth since it seems we have communicated well with each other and are simply disagreeing as to the interpretation of things. If you think my judgement was wrong then you can seek a review from the community and I will accept their interpretation, otherwise I am happy to leave things as is. HighInBC 00:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

To be clear: "You forgot to slag him for being a Canadian football fan" is a personal attack?

you not accepting it—I accepted it, and left a message on BU Rob13's talk page when I realized my choice of words could be misinterpreted as supporting Cassianto's attacks on him. BU Rob13 recognized it as a "defense of [his] right to participate in a discussion". You can really see it as a personal attack only if you're looking to fit it into that mold—like I said, you yourself didn't immediately see it that way, did you? And BU Rob13's came before the block. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:27, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

To be clear, I hesitated at first because I was not sure if you were making a very inappropriate comment to BU Rob13 or a very inappropriate comment to Cassianto. I was not sure if you were being homophobic or suggesting Cassianto was being homophobic. At no point did I think there was an interpretation of your comment that was acceptable. Clearly we disagree on this, so either let it go or seek a wider audience as I am done with this. You are unblocked and I am not going to reassure you that your comments were okay when they were not, what else can I do? HighInBC 04:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

You could answer the question I posed. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

I have already said that if you talked about hockey instead of being gay then we would not be here. It would have been a very mild personal attack, not worthy of action. Pity you instead chose very offensive wording. HighInBC 13:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Obviously I disagree with that, but I guess you get the last word on it, since block log comments are immutable. The upshot is Cassianto has stopped attacking people there. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

(watching, edit conflict, saying some of the same:) I don't agree that disruption is Cassianto's goal. He came to my attention in the 2013 discussion about an infobox for The Rite of Spring, with the unforgettable phrase "beautifully crafted article" ("Please let's not add another eyesore to another beautifully crafted article." - still on the talk after three years, can you believe that? The article got an infobox anyway, btw.) The belief of some of these prolific FA writers is that their product is more beautiful without a box, as a building may be more beautiful without a ramp for the handicapped. The basic infobox question is: do we (have to) build the ramp anyway, because access for the handicapped (those with a short attention span, those not so good in English but relying on the English Wikipedia because subjects are not covered in their language) is more important than beauty? - On the background of the firm belief, the scenario of automatic infoboxes (in your first edit) must have been plain horror ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't mean the goal of being at the talk page, but the goal of the personal attacks and other aggressive comments. The comments quoted above serve no other purpose than to disrupt. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

italics

I appreciate what you're saying, and it's in keeping with the responsible and good editor that I've always, quite publicly, said and believe you are. This discussion seems to have brought out a side of you I don't think I've seen before. I still genuinely believe you don't intend to be disrespecting the five editors who disagree with you, but in all honesty, don't you think you're saying, "I'm right and all of you are wrong"?

I've been in discussions where consensus has fallen against me — see Talk:The Smashing Pumpkins. When I can see more people disagreeing with me than agreeing with me, my instinct is to think, "Well, I disagree with their point, but a lot of people don't, so maybe we should find a way to address everyone's concerns". (In that case, that's what happened — together we reached a compromise that saw the name of the article remain the same but a note on the band's alternate name added to the lead.)

What I'm seeing at the current RfC is someone insisting on having their way despite the bulk of other editors' views. So yes, that's disrespectful. And even though consensus is leaning toward the proposal, I still wanted to reach some compromise or middle ground. Because I respect you. I'm not sure an unyielding, uncompromising, my-way-or-the-highway stance is the best one to take. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I have an idea. Since the flashpoint here seems to be Little Annie Fanny, what do you think of this suggestion: that a standalone comics serial, like in a magazine, be italicized, and that comics serials appearing in anthologies with other comics be in quote marks. That's objective criteria, clear-cut, and addresses different parties' concerns. If you think it's worth bringing up at the RfC, I'd be happy to do so. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Except it's not objective: it reflects neither common practice, the advice of style guides, nor internal Wikipractice. It's instruction creep---needless complication of the rules with dubious benefit and arbitrary cutoffs. I'd really rather see you try to refute the objective facts I've raised on the talk page, though. I posted on your talk page because your comments were really getting way, way too personal ("cherrypicking", accusations that I was implying people were idiots ...). You need to deal with the hard facts---WP:CONSENSUS is not a raise of hands, and WP:COMICS has had a number of its WP:LOCALCONSENSUSes overturned. Let's stick to the facts. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

You're really going for my-way-or-nothing, then. Yes, you were cherrypicking — did you search for features being in quote marks, or for the word "feature" as opposed to "comic strip"? And by saying "I'm right and everyone else is wrong," you are indeed implying everyone else is an idiot and only you and one other person can interpret MOS. You have no respect for the fact five longtime WPC editors disagree with you. Here is a fact: Five veteran editors say you are wrong.--Tenebrae (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

How was I cherrypicking? And how are "feature" and "strip" in any way exclusive of each other (here's Bill Schelly using both in the same sentence)? You're really going way out on a limb with this stuff, Tenebrae. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Help with Google Books

Hey Turkey, can you enter the Encyclopedia of Popular Music and The Rolling Stone Album Guide on Google Books about Skid Row's albums? I couldn't find the reviews from my browser, but if you can I'll be very grateful.--Retrohead (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I can't access them either. Sorry. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Puck

Puck (character) is actually worse as a disabmiguator, because there is the Shakespeare character Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream). BOZ (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

• I doubt it could be "actually worse"—you can't say "Puck IS-A comics", and the magazine is far better known than the characters. For now I've moved it to (comics character), though it's a terrible idea to tie a character dab to a medium. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Puck (Marvel) would probably work. Can't tie them to a specific series, so tie them to the publisher. I agree that "character" doesn't work as a disambiguator in this case. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Done. I moved it after I tried to link to Puck (comics) and was surprised to find out it wasn't about the magazine. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Heavy metal (chemical element)

Hi Curly Turkey

I saw you added a couple of attribution needed tags to this article. As the attributions appear straight after the tags I'm not sure why you added the tags?

thank you, Sandbh (talk) 12:57, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

• Sandbh: Click through the tag and you'll see attribution is not the same as citation—you've got to say who stated the quotation within the text itself. In an article like "Heavy metal", though, I imagine paraphrasing would be more appropriate than quotation anyways. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata issues

Perfect example of the issues with Wikidata: I'm working on Adachi Ginkō and have a source that says his last work appeared in 1908. For some reason, the J-article (perhaps correctly, but who knows?) lists his death date as 1902—but tagged {{citation needed}}. I can find no source backing this up. Even though it's tagged, and possibly contradicts cited material, Wikidata automatically imported this as his deathdate. I've removed it, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it got silently re-imported. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Invitation to discussion about FF4 and FF6 box arts

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Blog post question

Hi Curly, I'm writing a blog post for the Wikimedia blog where I reference a content-related discussion we had during the FA process for taiko. You're not specifically named anywhere in the post, but the page where we discussed things is linked. If for any reason you want me to leave it out, I'm happy to leave it out, just let me know. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 22:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• Does it make me look bad? I doubt I'd have any problem with it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:04, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Hah-- not at all, just saying we had different perspectives on the issue of lots of kanji in the prose and the glossary, but that we worked it out after some discussion. I never really thought about the idea of a glossary in an article before then. Ultimately, it was a fantastic addition. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
  • It's up by the way, if you're curious. Not quite the wording I had originally, but there you have it. :P I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 16:46, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Jimmy Frise

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Seduction of the Innocent

Hi Curly Turkey; Two giant-sized paragraphs have just been added by an IP editor to Seduction of the Innocent. I am just reading it now and am requesting your assistance to fact-check it if you can. Best, —Prhartcom♥ 14:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The IP's obviously most likely Dutch. This is the same IP who's added a pile of stuff to the graphic novel article—particularly on the Netherlands. It's not all cited, but I doubt it's a fact-checking thing so much as scope. I've left them a message. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for handling it; it was a little over my head. Good to see it's a positive situation. Best, —Prhartcom♥ 19:07, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ariwara no Narihira

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AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.TH1980 (talk) 17:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

So this is your game? Was that editwar a setup so you could go to ANI? More and more eyes are on your behaviour—do you seriously think you can keep getting away with this shit? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 12, 2016

Working on this one now. Yikes ... I need to get it up to 1075 chars or more. Suggestions welcome. - Dank (push to talk) 17:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

• More adjectives!
  • More cow bell! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
    • How about making a .gif of the video? It's only three seconds. You could up the px, too, so you don't have to worry about the word count. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:08, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
      • Character count is fine now, 1082. - Dank (push to talk) 11:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive5

I pinged you at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive5 because the current nomination is at an impasse with a discussant who states that the writing is not up to snuff for an FA. I think if I can get the article past that discussant, I can get it promoted. Since you have been one of the editors who has helped me to copy edit articles that have gotten promoted at FAC, I am wondering if you might be interested in copyediting Emily Ratajkowski, even though it is far afield from your interests.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:27, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

TonyTheTiger: are you asking me to polish the prose, or something more involved? Either way, I doubt I'll take a look before tomorrow. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

SlimVirgin: I haven't run through your concerns. Do you think you could sum them up here so I can decide how to tackle the article (assuming I do)? Is it a matter of copyediting? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

At FAC a bold "support" is a bold "support" and there are three of those that you are counting as two.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Curly Turkey, I've explained my oppose a few times; e.g., FAC 3 and FAC 5. The article needs a rewrite rather than a copy edit. The writing fails 1a, it's too detailed, it's promotional, and the sourcing is poor in places. I'm not sure why Ian and Andy are keeping it open. It has been at FAC five times since January 2015, including three times since March. This one has been open since 10 May and has one weak support (Numerounovedant), one support (Checkingfax), one oppose (me), and several comments from others. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Noting here that Tony changed my post. [12] SarahSV ^(talk) 06:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Skimming over it, I tend to agree—too much detail, and "Personal life" begins with the line "In February 2014, Ratajkowski broke up with her boyfriend Andrew Dryden, a creative director and menswear buyer." (?!?) The article needs to be rethought. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Is there something wrong with starting the "Personal life" section with the first element of her personal life after she became a notable public person? We can not source her public life before this relationship of about 2 years, which ended about when she became notable.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:43, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

BTW, I was wondering if we can say something like "Ratajkowski's February 2014 break up with boyfriend Andrew Dryden, a creative director and menswear buyer, is among the earliest documentations of her personal life".--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Curly Turkey, As you are aware as a watcher at WP:WPVA, I have had several FA promotions that were the result of persistence. Some of my FAs have taken 3 (Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song), BP Pedestrian Bridge, Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago), Millennium Park), 4 (First inauguration of Barack Obama, Crown Fountain, Cloud Gate) or 5 (Juwan Howard) runs at FAC to achieve FA status. Note that four of these are part of the same Millennium Park featured topic. You are also aware of how contentious the debate has been in some of my past FACs, such as Whaam! (especially FAC1 that resulted in over 350 KB of content between the FAC talk and FAC pages, while FAC2 had another 250 KB). In my FAC experience, I have learned the character of several editors. I have never met an editor such as SlimVirgin who has attempted to block an article by hiding behind policy in this manner. E.g., SV has insisted that the nakedness of a Fair use article makes it in violation of WP:NFCC, but NFCC makes no points about nakedness and my WP:FUR makes no point about nakedness. Rather than argue against the FUR by articulating a substantive reason that it does not add to the article, she points to nakedness and runs and hides. Cogent arguments against the image would state that 1.) The FUR states that the image is one of the two things that has propelled her to fame, but it looks very similar to what I would have imagined such a magazine cover to look like and adds nothing. 2.) A journalist from The New York Times stated that it was "artfully composed", but I found the composition to be about what I would have expected of such a magazine cover and adds nothing. 3.) The director of her breakout music video stated that she selected her because "She looked smart and stunningly beautiful" in the photo, but I found her appearance to be about what I would have imagined based on such a statement and it added nothing. Ian and Andy both understand what a valid NFCC objection is and when you object based on something not in the policy and not reference in the FUR, it is hardly a policy based objection. As a second example, she insists a paragraph sourced by Cosmopolitan (magazine) 2x, Elle (magazine), The New York Times, InStyle, Zimbabwe Metro, and British GQ is poorly sourced. Also, she insists the article is promotional. However, when I seek guidance on how the article violates Wikipedia:NOTADVERTISING, she is silent. She has also asserted that if I state both sides of controversies and then Ratajkowski's take on these controversies, then the article is unbalanced. There is no way to satisfy unreasonable comments such as these. I have been unable to get her to respond to my responses or even strike resolved issues. The clearest sign that she is attempting to obstruct the promotion is her attempts to refer to old problems as if there has been no progress.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jimmy Frise

The article Jimmy Frise you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jimmy Frise for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 08:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah ... pointless vindictiveness trumps the correcting of silly errors

I corrected an obvious silly error in The Man in the Moone. If I'd checked to see who had brought it to FAC, I could have guessed that Eric Corbett would revert it once he saw my name on the edit.

@Drmies and John O'London: Would one of you please fix it, since I'm not allowed? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:02, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• Well, maybe Eric is being pointlessly vindictive, or maybe he is being just vindictive, or maybe he is being vindictive with a point. Who can look into his mind? I cannot. What I can say is that I think you have a more restrictive definition of "initially" than he does (I think he wrote that sentence but I'm not sure), and so I don't see this as an error, silly or not. What's odd is that in the next edit we (or he, or I, or someone else) were being accused of being "illiterate". And I thought that prescriptivism was going out of style! Thanks, 01:25, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I doubt there's a source that defines "initially" as anything but something close to "at the beginning"—so, yes, it's an error (and I'm no prescriptivist). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes. From the beginning, until 1937. Drmies (talk) 11:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
      • The earliest date of one of these earlier claims I see in the source is 1721—nearly a century after publication. So, unless I've missed another in the source, then not the beginning, no. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
        • Ah—I see you've fixed it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization

Hello! You contributed in some capacity to at least one of the recent discussions concerning romanization of Korean for historical topics. Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? If you are inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't know nearly enough about Korean romanization to make an intelligent contribution. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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16 July 2016 thank you

16 July 2016

Thank you for copyediting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the music! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:00, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm alive

But since it's almost 02:00 I won't be doing much right this moment. I tried reading the ANI thread on a plane earlier, and now I see that it's been archived. You should either unarchive it or open a new thread; I'll be able to participate at night for the foreseeable future. Normally I wouldn't bother with Wikipedia during training, but this would be worth the time. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 05:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

• It was just archived today with a bunch of other threads without being closed. Obviously it needs a proper closing. I'm out and about today, but I'll unarchive it once I get home. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

L.A. Woman has been nominated for Did You Know

Hello, Curly Turkey. L.A. Woman, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 12:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Curly,

Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Little Nemo 1907-09-29.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on August 26, 2016. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2016-08-25. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for L.A. Woman

On 17 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article L.A. Woman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jim Morrison recorded some vocals for the Doors' L.A. Woman in the bathroom doorway? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/L.A. Woman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, L.A. Woman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:ISSNT

Template:ISSNT has been nominated for deletion.

You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

FAC voluntary mentoring scheme

During a recent lengthy discussion on the WP:FAC talkpage, several ideas were put forward as to how this procedure could be improved, particularly in making it more user-friendly towards first-time nominees. The promotion rate for first-timers at FAC is depressingly low – around 16 percent – which is a cause for concern. To help remedy this, Mike Christie and I, with the co-operation of the FAC coordinators, have devised a voluntary mentoring scheme, in which newcomers will guided by more experienced editors through the stages of preparation and submission of their articles. The general format of the scheme is explained in more detail on Wikipedia: Mentoring for FAC, which also includes a list of editors who have indicated that they are prepared to act as mentors.

Would you be prepared to take on this role occasionally? If so, please add your name to the list. By doing so you incur no obligation; it will be entirely for you to decide how often and on which articles you want to act in this capacity. We anticipate that the scheme will have a trial run for a few months before we appraise its effectiveness. Your participation will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

• I don't mind helping out, but I doubt mentoring will solve the promotion rate problem—from what I've seen, most reviewers just ignore FACs but editors who haven't made their names known yet at FAC. I feel like I've wasted so much time at FAC reviewing newbies' submissions, only to see them archived because hardly anybody else could bother—meanwhile the "names" were racking up a dozen reviews when they didn't even need them. I suspect mentoring will just get newbies' hopes up, which will make the inevitable archiving that much more demotivating. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Believe it or not

Another "electronic cigarette" quasi-SPA showed up on another dispute I was involved in and starting making white weasel-like non-sequitur arguments on the talk page. What are the odds! (笑) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• I wouldn't doubt it—the WW has been caught lying before—but I have no idea what dispute you're talking about. If it's at ANI—Jesus fuck, but why not just stay away from that place? It's crawling with dramah-mongering ambush trolls. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:42, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

No, it's someone adding borderline BLP violations to an article on a New Testament scholar. So your choice of words between 'ANI' and 'fuck' is coincidentally appropriate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Is the Weasel known for editing religious articles? I thought it was the other fellow? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:06, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh no, I don't think there's any sockpuppetry or other funny business going on. I just thought it was funny that a veteran of possibly the most stupidly overblown controversy in Wikipedia's history has made a dubious intervention in an article I was working on for the second time in just over a year. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

I have a Japanese friend who, when his phone was stolen, took to Facebook and wrote in English about the fellow (ja: クソ野郎) who had done this. Bilingual dictionaries are ... funny. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:18, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

I've been back from vacation for a week and a half now, and brought a small stack of sources with me from Canada, but I haven't gotten back to editing yet. Part of it's because I was busy catching up at work, but now I'm hindered by wikimedia.el (for Emacs) not working since Wikimedia went strict https in July (now I can't log in from Emacs). I hope the maintainer can fix this soon—I hate doing big editing jobs without Emacs. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Ukiyo-e deletion

Wabi-sabi aesthetic in a 16th-century tea bowl

Yoshiwara Night Scene by Katsushika Ōi, 19th century. A rare example of colour ukiyo-e showing strong interplay of light and shadow .

On your deleting of the print in which de ask: "what is the context? what is this illustrating? plus, sandwiching issues"

• Context: The style and aesthetics of the ukiyo-e print
• Illustrating: Shows that ukiyo-e is not limited to "...flat areas of colour..." it in fact shows "...the modulated colours expected in Western traditions". Also it is the work of a women ukiyo-e artist that uses light/shadow effects, both of which are very rare.

As for what you mean by sandwiching issues, I'm not sure what you mean.

Why were you so quick to delete this? -- Sjschen (talk) 19:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

• There are countless ukiyo-e prints out there by hundreds (thousands?) of artists over two and a half centuries. Why did you choose that particular print at that particular point in the article? The artist and techniques are not even mentioned in the (very long) article. Did you feel the article was so under-illustrated that such sandwiching was necessary? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:00, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
  • And you realize that Yoshiwara Kōshisaki no zu is a painting, not a print, right? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

FAC mentoring

Hi, Curly. I see that you've volunteered for the new FAC "mentoring" idea. Last time I tried to get Night of January 16th to FA (over a year ago), you provided some helpful edits and comments. Since that attempt faltered, I wonder if you would be willing to help me with another try? --RL0919 (talk) 23:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

• I'm giving it another copyedit, and if I have any feedback, I'll leave it on the article's talk page. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I wrote a draft of the nomination text at User:RL0919/Night. Since I'm supposed to mention your mentoring, please take a look to at least make sure you're OK with how I described your involvement. If you have any other edits/suggestions for the nom, those are also welcomed. --RL0919 (talk) 18:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

RL0919: I guess I'm fine with it, but I'm not sure what actual "mentoring" I've done. I did a copyedit and left some brief feedback. Maybe you could reword it as something like "Curly Turkey provided a copyedit and some feedback in response to a request for mentoring". I feel like the article was archived due to lack of reviewer interest rather than from lack of anything actual "mentoring" could have helped. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Revised and I'll post the nom shortly. It's an open question what FAC mentoring will turn out to be in reality. Heavy vs. light mentor involvement; will there even be a consistent pattern; etc.? --RL0919 (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Golden Hollywood Contest

Dr. Blofeld has just started up this contest about topics and articles covering Classical Hollywood cinema. It really will be worth your while. Do express if you are interested in participating in the contest or not (or if you show your support for the contest) by signing up under the "Editors Interested" section. Thanks.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 09:32, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

FAC

Can I interest you in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Komm, du süße Todesstunde, BWV 161/archive1? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Swift

Hi, regarding your advice on the talk of Taylor Swift, I followed your suggestion to write the first para to introduce her and who she is. Her career is still divided in two paras in a different way though. Could you take a look again and let me know if I'm doing it right, please? Cheers – FrB.TG (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC) FrB.TG (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi

If you find time for it, please take a look at Helene Ripa, Rock-Olga and Sara Skyttedal. Much appreciated. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

醜聞(スキャンダル)

Thought I'd bookmark this here as a perfect example of appropriate use of ruby (I just switched it up from html to the {{ruby}} template).

Anyone who's been asking for help the last few days: I've been sick with a fever (day 4) and have nearly lost my voice. I have little energy more than to roll around in agony, read the news, check Facebook, or watch the occasional movie, so don't expect anything from me. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiktionary

Hi. No idea if you'd be interested, but since you've just been doing some German edits on en.wikt, maybe you could glance over Wiktionary:Requested entries (German) (I don't know how to link nicely from here). We don't have many German-language contributors! Equinox ◑ 22:46, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• Maybe I'll take a peek. Mainly I've been adding words I come across in news articles that don't happen to be in Wiktionary. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

early anime history

Hi, just for your information: My (German) book on animated film in Japan until 1917 has just been published. More (in English) can be found here: http://litten.de/abstrtoc/abstr5e.htm. 2003:8B:4854:1F00:E186:80A7:1419:8DE8 (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC) F. Litten

• Thanks for letting me know! If only I had access to it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
  • It can be ordered on amazon.de. Or perhaps you can convince your local library to buy it. Even with postage to Japan it is not that expensive. And there is a very small chance of a Japanese edition at some stage.2003:8B:4854:1F00:3D9A:3561:1035:8D83 (talk) 06:20, 23 September 2016 (UTC) F. Litten
    • I might wait for that, then—my Japanese is a lot better than my German. Let me know if it happens! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:51, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Believe it or not (Part Deux)

Someone who was peripherally involved in a certain fustercluck last year (although they dropped out before you joined) actually appears to be engaged in similar behaviour on an unrelated article ("everyone knows X so we don't need a source for it, or at least not a source that explicitly supports it").

Not asking for assistance (he/she is almost certainly more amenable to civil discussion than you-know-who, and actually basically agrees with me on article content); I just thought it amusing.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I think I know who you're talking about, and it's someone I've run into before who can be really, really frustrating to "communicate" with. Working in good faith and has credentials, but has surprising comprehension issues in discussions. Check out this, where he accuses me of "attacking" a source I supposedly "disagree" with (?!?). You get this shit with him all the time. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:18, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Oh, here's my favourite headscratcher of his. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:34, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Huh. I had always wondered why he would ever even consider taking you-know-who's side in a dispute where from the get-go it was obvious he had no leg to stand on, and especially why he would actively ignore requests that he explicitly state whether he still agreed with you-know-who one way or the other. It never occurred to me that he might have been doing so because he had a history with one of the other participants in the dispute. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:05, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

From my experience, I wouldn't assume bad faith with him. Not that it makes communicating with him any less frustrating. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:15, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

So, yeah ... it turns out he's almost definitely an (inactive) admin on Conservapedia. It's not like it's Metapedia or something, but if you weren't aware of this until now, it might be something to keep in mind. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:52, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Wow ... the issues I've had with him didn't involve bias, but that's definitely something to keep in mind. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Comics

The archetypal British comic style - you can't miss it

Hi Curly. Apologies for my slopping edits. Not an expert on the subject so correct where you see fit. Both The Beano and The Dandy were both huge from their creation in the 1930s and really peaked in the 1950s. It's been a somewhat steady decline since (I read both as a kid). Chie one (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2016 2016 (UTC)

Chie one—that's fine information for the British comics article, but for the Comics article we'd need a source that places such facts within the context of comics from a global perspective. Otherwise, the article will get unmanageably large (and tedious to read) by including such facts from all the "History of XXX comics" articles. The article doesn't focus on sales (otherwise it'd talk about Walt Disney's Comics and Stories and One Piece), but on milestones in the development of the medium. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

My knowledge on the nuances and evolution of comics you could write on a postage stamp. Question is though, the article goes into depth about the popularity in France and Belgium. Did either have comics that sold two million copies per week? I know you say sales are not the focus, but there was a boom in the UK from the 1930s to the 1960s that doesn't feature. It makes it look as though its just France, Belgium the US and Japan. Two million sales (of each comic) per week. That's four million copies. In other words pretty much every kid bought a comic on a weekly basis. I'd be interested in sales per capita with other countries. I believe it's remiss to overlook just how big the comic book was in the UK during this period. Thanks for your input.Chie one (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2016 2016 (UTC)

Chie one—Walt Disney's Comics and Stories used to sell 3 million copies per issue back in the 1950s, and Weekly Shōnen Jump was selling 6.5 million a week in the 1990s. The sales figures aren't the point—there are large markets in many parts of the world (Captain Marvel outsold Action Comics, but that's beside the point at the scope of the Comics article). You need to find a source that places such figures in a global context—and not just a global sales context, but a "development of the medium" context. There are already articles such as Manhwa, Canadian comics, and Hungarian comics that deal with these things at a local level, which is the level where Beano and the Dandy are significant. Please keep the context and scope in mind. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:21, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Shit. Didn't see that coming. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:46, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Hijiri's referring to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Chie one/Archive. If the above was all trolling or something, it goes way over my head. The fuck? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and Hijiri, here's yet another reason why I think so little of ANI: even after the one holdout in the entire discussion finally admitted something needed to be done about a single-purpose IP-hopping account, it was archived with no action taken. Which means, ineluctably, another trip back ... or two ... or three ... TH1980 & CurtisNaito in miniature. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:10, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't following this before it closed, otherwise I would have responded to this: "Curly had been editing Ontario (state I am originally from)" ... no Canadian I've ever met has ever (even accidentally) called a Canadian province a "state". Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

You should just unarchive it. That's cool isn't it?

Anyway, nice catch on the "state" thing. Not being Canadian, I hadn't noticed. The whole affair was fishy as fuck. I honestly thought it was odd that it went through so fast despite being so much longer than the Jagello SPI a few months back. SPI works so much better than ANI. I guess it benefits from the fact that SPIs have to be closed one way or the other before they are archived, so someone has to read them.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure I can unarchive it, but I think the bot archives based on the timestamp of the last comment made, which means it would just get auto-rearchived tomorrow. If none of the 534 active admins could be bothered to deal with such an open-and-shut case after all this time, why would they just happen to bother today? Especially with so many naughty editors still saying "fuck" in public ... Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

The Beano is a strong contender for being the best known and most popular comic in Britain - ever (though 2000 AD challenges that from a different angle). It and The Dandy were staples for kids from the 1950s to the 1980s (and presumably beyond), shipped all over the Commonwealth (but not the US or Canada, in turn Marvel and DC comics were banned in Britain for decades) and I remember them both well - The Dandy and the Beano - the First Fifty Years in 1987 was a massive seller and endorsed by several well-known celebrities (all of whom are now dead except for one who's banged up in jail with his wobbleboard). Reliable sources describe them as "institutions of British childhood", "Highly successful and iconic". You can still buy The Beano in WHSmith and get the Christmas annual for yourself your young relatives. Sorry, what we were we talking about, I've just gone sentimental. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

• I actually came across an old issue here in Japan in a used book shop in a small town about half an hour from the one I live in. Oddest place to find a copy—especially given that Japan has not been as open to foreign comics as the rest of the world has been to theirs. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:45, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you know when it dates from? It wasn't unheard of for the Beano to be shipped to BFPOs and British Embassies all over the globe. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:49, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I vaguely feel like it was from the 1980s. I wouldn't be surprised if it were still there to check, but I don't stop by that book shop (or town) too often these days (I used to travel there a few times a month for work, but I switched jobs years ago). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more on Japan not being big on imported comics. Makes the hype the movie adaptations have been getting feel kinda weird. I'm pretty sure that while virtually everyone in Ireland had heard of Captain America before the movie, and most males my age knew Iron Man as well, I really don't get the impression this is true of Japan. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:16, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Superheroes definitely didn't have much of an audience in Japan before the recent movie boom (which doesn't seem to have done a thing about comics sales). But think of how many other comics have become merchandising phenomena here without the comics becoming so: Peanuts, Moomin, Tintin (why wouldn't Tintin be bigger here? It's got an awesome title I mean, wouldn't you want to read about Tintin no Bōken?) ... Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I appreciate the role Britain has played in comics history, but we do have to keep in mind (a) sources highlight the main world traditions as American, Franco-Belgian, and Japanese; (b) Anglo comics flourished in the rest of the commonwealth as well; and (c) there are comics traditions from around the world that also don't get highlighted. Simply put, sources don't place the British tradition above many other world traditions, and certainly not on the level of the US, France & Belgium, and Japan. There are reasons for it that go well beyond sales. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Part of the reason for that is that The Beano isn't the sort of thing you can write lots and lots about. "Dennis the Menace" is basically the same story repeated about 4,000 times (albeit adjusted to cultural tastes - corporal punishment on kids was fine in the 1950s) Compare and contrast with the plotlines and in-fiction universe that your typical action comic book covers (sometimes over decades), it's small wonder that sources cover that sort of thing more often. It might also explain why its Wikipedia article is, not to put too fine a point on it, pretty shit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

PS : I think if Americans know The Beano for anything, it's probably for Eric Clapton reading it on the cover of what is now called The Beano Album and hence the Beano guitar Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I was going to mention that, but didn't want to sound too colonial Don't expect much from comics articles—nearly all the RSes are utter shit, and tend to repeat memes that have been repeatedly debunked even decades ago. That's when the sources even exist. Anyways, the thing with these edits is how they fit into the scope of the article. I mean, if we add this stuff for Britain, why don't we do the same for Spain, Italy, Korea, Hong Kong ... or Canada (my first GA)? The line has to be drawn somewhere, and sources that talk about major traditions in the world draw the line at the US, France/Belgium, and Japan. The main Comics article should be more abuout what makes comics comics, anyways, rather than focusing on more than the most essential details of its history, which is better handled in the national subarticles. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:10, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Look Curly, at least you don't live an a country that's in danger of voting for THIS comic. Well the article's only 23K of prose, so if you can get sources for something that talk about comics in general without mentioning any specific country (which AFAIK my edits did as Frank Bramlett has already been checked as a source for other bits of article) and if it's not more than a sentence and doesn't have more puffery than Sean "Puffy" Combs wearing a puffer jacket and eating a bowl of Sugar Puffs ... then there can be a case for it. I appreciate a core article like this one is hard to balance the NPOV and worldwide neutrality. Anyway, if I can find the relevant book sources, I may take my dynamite and grenade launcher to the Beano's article, the "Revamps" section is particularly cringeworthy. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:42, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

They all are, trust me. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm really digging the UK pop culture references here. I didn't actually know that the Honey Monster was something people in the US didn't know about until this guy told me, and I'm wondering if Ritchie333 was referencing this point on purpose. (笑) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Now that I'm looking into it, it seems surprising that they'd not have been available in North America—Quaker's a big American company, and there's obviously a demand for such a cereal. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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Piggy back on Template:Ukiyo-e imagebox

Hello,

You do such amazing work with images. So, I thought that I'd share that I've been piggy-backing and copying the template you created for displaying images. My recent addition is Template:Bierstadt Lake. A modest attempt. I see that you went to Featured Article quite awhile ago, after we worked on the Good Article. Congratulations, if I haven't already said so. It's a great article. Best wishes.--CaroleHenson (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• CaroleHenson: Looks nice! It's tricky to get just right, so it's prone to breaking. It'd be nice if someone who really knew how to program this stuff could make an easy-to-use template to make such collages—or better yet, something hard-baked into the Mediawiki software. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, that would be great! I cannot do the complex ones you've been able to devise. I go to your template, a LOT, so I thought I'd let you know. All the best!--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Metallica's pronoun

Hi there. This is the first I've heard of bands being referred to as "it" instead of "they" in American English. Presumably there's some MOS passage or past discussion about this to which you can refer me? Cheers.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 12:23, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• You probably won't find it in the MoS. In North American English, groups are treated as singular nouns, so that one says, "The government is debating a new bill", for example, and never "The government are debating a new bill", which sounds like broken English to most North Americans. When it comes to rock groups, actual usage depends on a number of factors, but defaults to singular in most cases. The MoS requires uniformity of usage though, which means defaulting to singular even in that minority of cases where North Americans would use a plural. "Metallica are a thrash metal band" would be totally unacceptable in North American English. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Need a favor from someone who understands Japanese

Hi, Curly. I'm currently trying to get this photo I took of Jim Cheung removed from the Commons, per the request of the subject. I've already supplied a replacement for articles on WP where it's being used, but the person responding to my request at the Help Desk pointed out that it's still being used in Cheung's article on the Japanese Wikipedia. I don't know how to edit that, as I don't read Japanese. Can you switch it out with this newer photo? Please let me know. Thanks! Nightscream (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

• Done. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

"Jesus Fucking Christ"

In an edit summary? Seriously?? Come on, there is no excuse for that--I'm very tempted to use revdel for this, and I think I'll inquire at AN as to whether other admins agree. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

+1 -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Drmies: It was in response to a personally directed attack on me—Sagaciousphil reverted my every copyedit to the article for no other reason than that my name was attached to it. Can the edit comment be replaced with another? It's important that it doesn't look like I'm arbitrarily reverting her. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• That a particular edit (esp. a revert) can be seen as a personal attack is not, I believe, a view shared by many of my colleagues. As Beeblebrox indicates, there are better ways to deal with such issues. The mark of revdeletion (the strikethrough) is a good enough indicator that there was text there. But I had hoped that your response would have been a different one, not one that goes "she started it". Drmies (talk) 04:17, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Explaining what frustrated me is not a "she started it".

But here we are again (and again and again and again)—disruptive behaviour is ignored, but bad language requires the Inquisition. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Seriously? A brief comment on your talk page is akin to the Inquisition? Why not cry "Nazi tactics" and skip the middle man? No, bad behavior is not ignored--please point me to the relevant thread at Dispute Resolution or some other forum, and we'll get right on it. You said a pretty terrible thing in a place where thousands of editors and visitors can see it (edit histories are accessible from the smartphone app too, for instance), and you blame someone else for it. Frustration is one thing, and it's not a good thing and if you need people to look at it and maybe mediate, we will be happy to do that. This was quite another. You can't even bring yourself to apologize for having typed that into an edit summary, not to the editor and not to the community? Drmies (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

"and you blame someone else for it"—I explained what frustrated me, I didn't excuse anything. Why are you twisting my words? Not a rhetorical question—I'd like an answer.

"A brief comment on your talk page"—and a threat to take it to ANI to discuss it with "other admins".

"can't even bring yourself to apologize"—because I said "fuck"? It wasn't even directed at the editor in question, unless she's got an alternate account named "Jesus Christ". It took three years to get a pair of widely disruptive editors TBANned from WP:JAPAN, but it takes no more than an itchy triggerfinger to illegitimately block someone for saying "fuck". Forgive me, O Admin, for having no faith in the system and its priorities. I won't be apologizing for my language. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, you are occasionally offensive to your fellow editors, not just ones that you consider enemies, but to everyone, when you use profanity here on Wikipedia. Other, less offensive language, can always be summoned up. Second, you use excuses. We all have sympathy for anyone's occasional inability to remain calm, as it can happen to any of us, but providing the reason for it never justifies and no one is ever interested in learning it. Lastly, you appear to have no ability to apologize for anything whatsoever. This is not a valuable trait for a man or woman to possess. I urge you to avoid profanity when communicating with other editors and to simply apologize without excuses when you accidentally do, then be done with it. —Prhartcom♥ 17:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I didn't excuse it—I explained and asked for it to be replaced, didn't I? As for "you appear to have no ability to apologize for anything whatsoever"—such hyperbole is not a valuable trait, either. Certain people have to get over the idea that the word "fuck" is a threat to the community. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Update

In light of the peculiar urgency with which my comment was deemed to "require administrative intervention", I brought attention to Drmies Cassianto's recent "fuck off" at Stanley Kubrick, an article with twice the pageviews of the related Peter Sellers. Of course, I wasn't seeking to have this language suppressed (I think the whole idea is horseshit). Drmies response was:

"Two admins are already on the case--thanks."

A week went by, and nothing. So I followed up, asking: "It's been a week, and nothing. Could you point me to the discussion?" His response:

"What do I have to do with this, Curly Turkey? I don't really know what to do with what appear to be leading questions."

From the moment Drmies posted here I knew this had nothing to do with my language (or "semantics" or anything)—it reeked rather of Manchester. Now I have to wonder what these people are going to pull on me next, especially with and Arb to back them up. Best to keep this out in the open, though it won't be of any help. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 17:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

• If you're going to tar and feather me, at least have the decency to ping me. Drmies (talk) 18:29, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I would have, if I thought you weren't watching. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 18:31, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
    • Here. Two admins explaining talk page guidelines and rollback regulations to the editor. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
      • No, that's not even remotely what we're talking about. Can we drop the head games now? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 18:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
        • Maybe you shouldn't send cryptic messages. Who are you talking to here anyway? And who is "them", and am I the one backing "them" up? You can treat these as rhetorical questions if you like, since you don't seem to like being specific. On another note, I am really not well acquainted with you nor, I'm sad to say, really interested in growing such an acquaintance, and I am not in fact watching you, your edits, or your page, but a little birdie hit me up on Twitter to say my name was being dragged through bird poop. Vaya con dios, Drmies (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
        • Ah, I scrolled up! Haha, I get it now. Yeah, false equivalency, but nice attempt at deflection. They're all after you, of course. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
          • Still with the games, as expected. Good to have it all on record. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 19:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
            • Whatever. You leave a pretty awful comment in an edit summary, and your basic argument is a. others are doing it too and b. all I said was "fuck". Well, you didn't--you said "Jesus fucking Christ". You can try to add "fuck" to "Jesus Christ", but it doesn't add up to "Jesus fucking Christ" and you know it; And I didn't even block you or whatever: I just left you a message. Not even a template. And maybe you should cast your conspiratorial net a little wider: after all, your comment was indeed removed by another administrator, who is--by the by--also not a Mancunian, which I gather figures somewhere in your conspiracy narrative. So, yeah, you're still with the games, refusing to take responsibility for something you said, and blaming the messenger. You were unblocked a while ago after some other personal attack, with the unblocking admin, MLauba, saying "Per agreement to return to dialogue instead of confrontation". I don't think you can tell the difference. Now, leave me out of your petty little business with other editors. This may be a game to you, but there's nothing funny about it, and reading over User_talk:Curly_Turkey/Archive/2016#Sea_Mither_of_God.21, with your little rape joke that you deflected also, makes no one laugh--and by the way, you must like mixing JC with fucking, judging from that archive. Good to have "Jesus fuck" on the record. And if you think for a second that I am somehow on Cassianto's side in that ridiculous and long-standing feud between you two, you should maybe ask Cassianto how they feel about me, and you'll find that you have common ground after all. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
              • "Rape joke"? You're sick. That you would stoop to such a despicable comment only confirms you were never here in good faith in the first place—that this was never about my language. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 19:34, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016

Hello, I'm Beeblebrox. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

This is in reference to the matter discussed in the above section. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Beeblebrox: can you please just strike out the cuss words? It needs to be clear I'm not arbitrarily reverting Sagaciousphil's disruptive edits. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

There's no way to edit an edit summary. If you have an issue with another user you can discuss it with them or pursue the many forms of dispute resolution available to you instead of hurling obscenities at them. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Beeblebrox: then I can at least count on you to take responsibility by speaking up if Sagaciousphil reverts again, using the excuse that I reverted without explanation? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Please carefully re-read my previous comments, in which I clearly explained how to properly deal with conflicts. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:44, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Mm-hmm. Pass that buck. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

That you apparently don't see the glaring irony in that statement is telling. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Suggesting I'm "passing the buck"? I dealt with the fucking problem. You'll have to explain why you'd refuse to speak up if a dispute arises due to a lack of an explanatory edit comment. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I came here to speak to you about your problematic edit summary. That does not automatically obligate me to get involved in your content dispute. You seem awfully worked up about this. I would suggest that your best course of action would be to unwatch that article as you seem to be able to contribute elsewhere without getting so excited about trivial content disputes. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Uh-huh. So you refuse to take responsibility for your actions. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

You did something that required administrative intervention. I took the appropriate action to correct it and advise you not to do it again. The only other repercussions of that action exist solely in your imagination. You need to stop trying to lame everyone else for imaginary problems and just admit, at least to yourself, that your edit summary was not appropriate. It's not that big of a deal. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

You only have to say "I refuse to take responsibility for my actions" so many times. I get it already. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I stand behind and accept full responsibility for the results of my actions. But whatever, you seem to be more interested in making up imaginary problems than discussing actual facts. Just don't do that again. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• "Imaginary problems". I remember some "imaginary problems" we had with two editors at WP:JAPAN who were finally TBANnned after three years and umpteen calls by over half a dozen editors at ANI for people to look at the problems at a myriad articles (some highly visible, such as History of Japan). Folk at ANI used to dismiss that shit a "content dispute", too ... I wonder if you were ever one of them ... Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:35, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Is this for real?

Putting this here so I can follow up. The British Museum has a print: "The actor Segawa Roko alias Kikunojo in a female part, with poem. Page from a rare book by Kabukido." Every source I've come across says only seven Kabukido prints have been identified, and I've found no mention of books. Googling on it has turned up more information. Has the British Museum simply muffed it? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Someone's trying to provoke me

Someone's trying to provoke me. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

• Are there any admins watching? BilCat‎ is obviously trying to provoke me—these recent edits seriously violate WP:NOTHERE. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:43, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Continuation of conversation 'Article Structure and previous edits' started at 'Yes California' article talk page

I'm posting here in respect for Wikipedia's talk page guidelines regarding relevancy

• Your suggestion regarding being new and making smaller edits is a good one and I hope it'd be given more attention for the after-signup-tutorial by WikiMedia maintainers
• Writing "Maybe that was the goal" was to raise a possibility, not a determination nor an accusation. I agree though that all hints of negativity should've been avoided from the beginning
• The absence of your opinion regarding the paragraph issue I raised along with the suggestions indicates that you don't share those views. Nothing wrong with that
• I can go over the points you raised, some of which I admit to, some I think stem from the visual editor citations conflicting with preexisting ones, others I have no clue of without having an example. Regardless, I don't see the point of such effort since it seems that you don't share my views regarding suggestions and fixes
• I actually didn't have a big issue with your fixes except for the rosy wording and attitude of your comments (e.g. "what a mess", "salvage anything", "don't add fluff like this", "what on earth.."). However, your complete reversion and dropping of many edits, if I'm to assume you're an example of what an average active Wikipedia member is, and that you acted like this while assuming I had good faith, then I must say that I had a pretty wrong idea of the website I was trying to contribute to. I thank you for clarifying that for me. I'll take my unsalvageable mess and fluff elsewhere.

P.S. Knowledge without Dignity is worthless. sandnerd (talk) 00:13, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

• sandnerd: Now, don't be like that. We can help each other to improve the article. Surely you can see the distress it can cause someone who's put a lot of effort into keeping an article fully sourced and organzined, and then to see it suddenly and radically rearranged with sources stripped out. Come back to the talk page so we can sort it all out. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for corrections at Garage rock article

Thank you for the improvements and corrections in the Garage rock article. On little thing: I notice that three of the photos (Chris Montez, Paul Revere & the Raiders, and the Great Soiciety) now appear too large. I had adjusted the pixels on the photos to avoid clutter and achieve an attractive diagonal pictorial composition. Perhaps we could go back and make those three pictures smaller. Also, thanks for your comments on the talk page there. I am trimming the size of the article. One of the challenges is that the topic is so big--there is just so much ground to cover. But, I'll try to keep trimming away. Perhaps you could give me pointers on unessential details to remove. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! ...gobble gobble! Garagepunk66 (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Garagepunk66: if they appear too large, it's best to use "|upright=" to adjust them. Setting the pixels overrides user settings, while "|upright=" scales the images according to user settings. Try not to get too finicky with the precision of the numbers, though—whatever looks "perfect" on your screen will inevitably not on others'.

Re: trimming the article—it looks like it's already been suggested, but rather than merely "trimming", I agree it's be better to spin off the more detailed parts of the article and focus primarily on answering the question "What is garage rock"? Though, going through the article, I did notice a lot of excessive detail (I even cut a tiny bit).

Happy Yanksgiving! Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I'll try to do the best I can. If I can't get it trimmed down enough, then I could be open to certain reasonable and constructive split ideas. I'll admit that it was hard dealing with the state of proceedings over the last couple of weeks, because the whole discussion was framed in a difficult way--it got precipitated by a split-tag that made an awfully extreme proposal (accompanied by a tag bomb alleging things like "original research" "WP:Syth", etc.)--the whole discussion was hanging under that banner, and it made things seem a bit too tense. I am happy that the tag is gone now, because now I can consider changes in an environment that seems less "heightened red alert". It is easier to consider changes in the company of experienced FA writers and reviewers such as yourself, in a relaxed and constructive forum. As for the pictures, I'll try the method you mentioned--my philosophy for photos is "smaller is better, just not too small". Happy Yanksgiving! Gobble Gobble... Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Good luck! It looks like everything is there to make it a nice article—just gotta trim enough fat and get someone to give it a good copyedit. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Garagepunk66: Looking through your edits today, "|upright=.795" was exactly the kind of thing I was suggesting you avoid. It may look "perfect" on your screen, but that "perfection" is lost on virtually every other screen. Best to round it to ".8". Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I din't realize. I'm having a bit of technical problems with my connection right now--its running real slow, so it's hard for me to go back and make quick surveys and corrections. I'll go back in a while and fix it when my wi-fi is running little better. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It's not a huge deal. It's not breaking a rule or anything, it's just wasted effort. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:58, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

3 days later

	A little belated, but...
	You of all people should get a Happy Thanksgiving message! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

¡Gobble! Actually, though, I'm Canadian, so you're about a month and a half late Happy Yanksgiving! Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:22, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

October? When you burn the backbacon and munch on Nickelback CDs (reverse of usual)? :D--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow you are prolific!

Do you by chance take requests? G'night from Hiroshima, where it's not rain, it's tears from loss of the Series... --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• I've responded to requests. Anything in mind? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I have a wishlist of articles they have in Japanese and we don't here. If I park them at the WPJ to-do list, they will sit for 10 years (I know from experience). I'll put the list here, anything you could help with would be appreciated!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%86%85%E7%94%B0%E5%8B%B2
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B5%B7%E5%A0%80%E5%91%A8%E9%80%A0
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8B%9D%E7%9F%A2%E5%89%A3%E5%A4%AA%E9%83%8E
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%92%B2%E7%94%9F%E4%BF%9D%E9%83%B7
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%91%9B%E5%8E%9F%E3%81%97%E3%81%92%E3%82%8B
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%87%91%E5%85%89%E9%91%91%E5%A4%AA%E9%83%8E
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%90%E3%80%85%E6%9C%A8%E8%80%95%E9%83%8E
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AB%98%E6%9C%A8%E6%A1%82%E8%94%B5
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E6%9D%91%E7%9F%A5
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E9%83%A8%E5%88%A9%E6%96%87
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E9%83%A8%E7%91%9E%E5%AD%90
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B7%B1%E5%B0%BE%E9%9F%B6
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8E%E5%B7%9D%E8%8B%B1%E4%BA%8C
• https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%91%E5%B1%B1%E6%9C%89

You caught me at the right time—it's Asian Month and I've created only one article so far. Most of the above look problematic, though—unsourced or sourced to inappropriate sources (promotional profiles or whatever). Many of these might fail WP:NOTABILITY entirely. I'll see what I can do, though. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've thrown together one for Kōrō Sasaki. I'll see if I can do anything with any of the others. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm ... I'm not sure I understood the Furukawa/Betsukura thing. Hopefully someone else can check it over and fix my fuckups. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I'll probably tackle Shō Fukao next—he's from the city I live in, and the article seems to have decent citations. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

You inspired my first edit this morning, thanks for saying it straight https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=JFC&type=revision&diff=747743916&oldid=677888281 --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Kintetsubuffalo: I still have a bunch of work to do on Fukao (I won't translate the whole thing, though, as quite a bit of it is unsourced). I'm not sure if I'll be able to do any more of these. I might be able to pull off a minimal Eiji Mikawa. The others—if they're even viable—would require work tracking down sources. Shigeru Kuzuhara looks like a likely target for that, but don't get your hopes up. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:13, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

It's okay, what you've done is great! Much better than what I have been doing while I am mushoku, Google translate the first paragraph, clean it up and I'm done. Not lazy, going out of my head. Thank you for what you have done! I like the "Canadian English" tags, though I see no "eh?"s anywhere in the pages. Or references to poutine, backbacon or Nickelback. ;) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:50, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's why it's been taking so long—I've been editing while munching backbacon, belching "eh", and burning Nickelback CDs. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! http://imgur.com/a/cYrR4 I'm not a graphist so it sucks, but the sympathy comes through.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Kintetsubuffalo: Okay, I've thrown together an Eiji Mikawa article for you. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I wonder why the ja:wp article was スカウト tagged, there is nothing in there to support that, should I remove the tag from the ja:wp article?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Good question! I didn't even notice it. Maybe he was involved in scouting but the editors forgot to add that to the text? I don't see anything about it online, but a lot of the sources for the article were print. I'd remove it until there's a source for it, anyways. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Quick question-can you tell me a quickie claim-to-fame for these guys? (I borrowed your nifty link template)

• Kōgorō Uemura
• Yoshishige Ashihara
• Hiro Takiguchi
• Yawara Hata
• Muneyoshi Tokugawa
• Masao Murata (disambig)
• Gen Hirose

Thanks again, no rush, on the way to Kobe tomorrow.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Kintetsubuffalo: Sorry, I saw this on my phone, and then forgot about it when I got in front of a computer. Looks like you've made nearly all of them already! Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:17, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

No problem, I just made crap stubs, one reference each from ja:wiki, and then the reason I wanted them. Except the top two which had no Scouting and made no sense to me. Thanks for getting back with me!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

How did you get them if they had nothing to do with scouting? I don't see scouting categories or anything. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Long story-I don't read kanji, can only recognize about 400, but I have a Scout award list from a pdf (my source) that I have been working on, breaking them into the radicals I know and finding them that way.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Maybe some of the "false hits" you got came from having people with the same name? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I thought so at first, but I began to see two patterns which make me think these are the real guys:

1. Unlike world awards, Japanese Scout awards seem to follow the US pattern, which means they will give them to any douchebag who has made a name for themselves, seen a couple mired in scandals
2. Again following the US (we wear the same color uniform and style of badges...), they will select pompous local asshats as honorary muckymuck of their local council, whether they really have to do with Scouting or not, just like a former CIA director now runs the BSA.

• I could be wrong on any or all of these, but it's an educated guess. I gave up on one that when I googled him was a Bolshevist activist. #NeverInJapanWhileTheOctogenariansStillRunThePlace--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Awesome hashtag Was just talking with someone about how the octogenarians won't let a certain octogenarian even retire ... Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:02, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

You totally rock, thank you so much! I kicked the tires on Golden_Pheasant_Award. I know there are some mistakes but it's 90% good. Thank you for confirming my guesswork and reading what I can't (credited you after the fact)--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

thanks, I finally got what you meant by "or"! The WPJ editor who told me the Haradas are the same guy set the lightbulb off in my head. Edited accordingly. Happy early New Year!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:44, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't really guess at the translation, because I don't know how Scout governance works or even if it works the same in Japan as overseas. Some of those translations are "best guesses", so you might want to double-check them all. 良いお年を and all that! Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:23, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Given both our years this year, 良いファッギングお年を, and may next year be a sight better! :) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

"Fugging"? Reminds me—I haven't given these fuggers a spin in too many moons. I remember scrounging up this piece of vinyl from a CD-store basement around 1997 or so and getting hooked. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah! I grabbed the wrong fucking kana! I fucking hate fucking katakana! Fucking change that for me, will you?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

No fugging way! Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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Racism in North America

You have done some good work in this article. Please have a look at some recent edits; I reverted a huge one, after some deliberation, as "not an improvement", basically, but perhaps you can find the value in it. Feel free to tell me to fuck off from your talk page! :) Drmies (talk) 05:12, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• My edits there have been copyedits rather than content ones. I've looked through it, and the worst of it appears to be (a) too much reliance on newssources rather than scholarly ones and (b) the "Black Canadians" section reads like an opinion piece. I'm not knowlegeable enough to give it a proper fix, but I'm not sure this stuff was bad enough to be removed. Curly "fuck off" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:32, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Fair enough--thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Commons file

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rewriting American comic book

I'm starting research with the ultimate goal of getting American comic book to FA status. I've seen you talk about this before, and wanted to reach out to you for suggestions on what you feel needs to be included. Aside from obvious sections on creation steps (writing/pencilling/inking/coloring/lettering), history (of the whole industry) and formats (size, length, and publication schedules), can you think of any specific topics I should look for as I dig in? Thanks, Argento Surfer (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

• I strongly recommend getting ahold of Jean-Paul Gabilliet's Of Comics and Men: A Cultural History of American Comic Books—it tears apart some persistent myths that keep getting repeated in "reliable sources" and gives a lot of actual numbers to back up the facts. Other than that, you might want to look into the pre-history of comic books, such as old comic strip collections and Big Little Books. You might want to briefly look at international developments, such as how Europe and Japan tended towards anthology magazines whereas North American comics sttarted that way but evolved towards single-character titles. Don't forget magazines such as Mad and Heavy Metal—Mad in particular was outselling regular comic books in the 1960s and '70s. I'm not sure of a good source, but you'll want to dig up stuff on how the alternatives and other non-superhero stuff have more-or-less abandoned the comic book format in the 21st century. Canadian Whites would be worth a brief mention (that article needs a lot of work, though), and you'll want to look into British comics magazines (I don't know much about them other than that they sold a lot, and a lot of American comics were repackaged in British formats). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
  • See? I knew you'd have good suggestions. Thanks for the book title in particular. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey, Curly!

Long time no see. I wrote a "lovely" little rant on my userpage this morning and thought you, as a fellow weirdo, would feel the words better than most. Do you maybe have a few salve-like words to soothe my cantankerous soul? Or am I bang, dead on?

I love that there's a detailed article about the Fluffernutter on Wikipedia. I love even more that I wrote most of it. But what I love most of all is coming back to it after years away and seeing a bunch of little improvements, like a picture with the caption, "An open-faced variation of the fluffernutter sandwich using a rice cracker in place of sliced bread." Neat! And who knew Oct. 8 was National Fluffernutter Day? Wow!

What I don't like is coming back to find the "In culture" section stuffed with weird little tidbits, like that one time The Simpsons mentioned the Fluffernutter... exactly once... ten years ago. Wikipedia is a beautiful place where weirdos like me can indulge our passions and work together to preserve our culture—every quirky bit of it. But as much as that Fluffernutter article reveals what I love about Wikipedia, it reveals in equal measure what I hate about it.

Is this our culture now? Minutia about a super sugary, corporate sandwich? An anonymous editor on the article's talk page wrote, "Americans. Such a vile thing could only have come from our American brethren," but let's face it. Disneyfication has gone global. I wish some things were sacred—off limits from being turned into an advertising jingle or a Family Guy gag. Most of all I wish Wikipedians, including me, didn't slavishly lap all that up, spew it onto Wikipedia and call it culture.

I have been editing the How the Grinch Stole Christmas! article the last couple days. Hmmm... So maybe I'm just turning into a bright green misanthrope? (And don't you dare respond "Turning into?" :D) Bobnorwal (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I guess I prune the cruft from articles on my watchlist a little too frequently for this stuff to get out of control, but I definitely find it in articles a lot. Sometimes I remove it, but usually I leave it there—I don't know why. Sometimes I actually enjoy reading that crap ... Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, @Curly Turkey: I apologize I didn't realize that "China" came straight after "Tang-dynasty", I understand your edit now. (121.219.102.91 (talk) 03:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC))

• No problem. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Madman's Drum for TFA

This is to let you know that the Madman's Drum article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 1 January. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 1, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

• You sure you don't mean 20 January? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi Curly. What happened on 20 January? - Dank (push to talk) 21:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Doh! Nevermind. Maybe the Brits are right, Americans don't understand sarcasm :) - Dank (push to talk) 21:55, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
    • Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for Madman's Drum, "one of the outstanding examples of an artistic genre that bloomed far too briefly"! Happy 2017 (see my talk)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

ps: would you have time for a FAC review, - I started listing them here, and feel free to add "yours" there also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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You have reverted my edit 4 times

Check WP:3R. Nergaal (talk) 11:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Your only reasoning has been "ugly" without giving any encyclopedic rationale. Feel free to engage in constructive editing, not personal POV agenda. Nergaal (talk) 11:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Nergaal—my primary reason—very explicit—was "redundant". You've given no reason for your reverts, and yet have reverted again. You've got some expalining to do. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

You have been blocked twice already for edits on terrorism articles. You know how things work by now. Nergaal (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

You're obviously playing games—you can't even be bothered to explain yourself. I've reported you on the talk page. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:54, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

For the sake of wp:AGF, if you were to pay attention, multiple editors have improved on the original language, in a sign that the information present was good to begin with. A quick look at your ban history shows you are likely not impartial on this subject. I suggest stop pushing your POV agenda, and let other editors reach a consensus. I bet if I go through every single edit on the Berlin article, I will discover multiple instances of "curation" from your biased POV. I just noticed this one considering the peculiar wording. I suggest leave the article to unbiased editors before you dig yourself deeper. Nergaal (talk) 11:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

"Ban history"? I have none. "POV"? Because I removed redundancy? Some fucking POV. "Dig yourself deeper"? Yeah, that's what you're doing—you've crossed 3RR without ever giving a reason for your reverts. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

You also might want to watch whose block log you talk about. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

The White Weasel again?

[13] Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

• Not sure what that had to do with the White Weasel, but it made me larf. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I find it's more amusing to link to that strip than use the traditional "You've got mail" template. But it's definitely the White Weasel. Let's just wait for him to give us a smoking gun before opening the SPI. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Jesus. What a ... weasel. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:CPUSH

Civil pov-pushers argue with respect and in complying with Wikipedia civility principles, but also with bad faith, which discourages the other contributors or upsets them. In a discussion, the blame is often attributed to the one who loses temper, which is even more frustrating for fair contributors trapped in such discussions.

I'm bookmarking WP:CPUSH here—it's as if it were written for CurtisNaito and TH1980. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Bludgeon

This is a warning. You need to stop bludgeoning the discussion regarding TH1980 like this, as it's disruptive. It's abundantly clear that you never want to see this editor again or give any consideration to their appeal. You've presumed to know exactly what their intentions are without evidence. You need to let people think for themselves rather than dump all over every comment that TH1980 makes. I, too, am unhappy that TH1980 does not acknowledge that their past behavior was problematic. However, *you* are not thinking partially about this matter and I am not confident you would give an opportunity to this editor regardless of the content of their appeal. Consider the possibility that people can and do correct their behavior all the time in this project, and that it is deeply unfair to write them off when they want to make an effort to act differently. I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 03:18, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

You're ignoring all the relaspes that we've already been through with TH1980 and CurtisNaito. They've been given chance after chance—even after blocks for Curtis and an IBAN for TH1980. We're not talking someone who's made mistakes and needs to learn the error of their ways—we're talking about a couple of editors who have deliberately, persistently, and exasperatingly disrupted Wikipedia for years—driving away productive editors and draining people's time and patience at ANI and elsewhere—and have been indefitely TBANned for this behaviour. Not for "mistakes" they have made—for their deliberate behaviour affecting article-space content and editor morale. Notice I'm not the only one to focus on TH1980's bad faith:

• Johnuniq: "consistently and persistently slant the articles towards a certain POV."
• Softlavender: "The reasons for the topic ban were many and extensive and longterm, and involved obstructionism, deception, manipulation, tag-teaming/collusion, and endless amounts of IDHT non-collaborationism and POV-pushing."

Why are you ignoring this and painting this as simple misuse of sources? By ignoring the actual reasons for the TBAN, despite the number of us who keep telling you, you're being at least as disruptive as any alleged "bludgeoning" could be (TH1980's and CurtisNaito's modus operandi, BTW—not that we should expect a similar impartial "warning" at TH1980's talk page. We shouldn't expect these "warnings" from an involved participant in the first place). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:14, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Along those lines is the straight-up lie: "this topic ban was only related to the edits on Korean influence on Japanese culture". This is not a sign of someone who has "corrected thier behaviour". Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

TH1980 doesn't need to be warned because you're treating him like dirt and he is right about your behavior. You have a history of being warned or blocked for personal attacks. Whether you are right or wrong about TH1980 is really not the point here. It is totally possible to discuss disruptive behavior and problematic editing without being disrespectful or attempting to dominate the conversation. It needs to stop. I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 19:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

"TH1980 doesn't need to be warned"—when it comes to BLUDGEON, yes—yes he does, and he acknowledges it himself. It is, after all, one of the major reasons for his TBAN in the first place. You appear to be backtracking and trying to turn this in a "personal attacks" thing, which, of course, there's none of—I'm allowed to call a liar a liar. "Bullying" is rich—we're talking someone to whom the ARBs themselves have issued an IBAN for WP:HOUNDING. Nobody else is buying his victim line. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Ryukyu

Hi Curly, I noticed you've been doing copy-edits to a lot of Ryukyu/Okinawa articles, so I'm wondering if you'd like to help me with a rewriting. Please read Talk:Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom#Hall of Shame for the full issue. Basically, an article grew out of its scope and only after a revert/move war was another article of the proper scope found to already exist. So our goals would be to recreate the Pechin article with a more narrow scope, merge Yukatchu into Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom, and create a Military of the Ryukyu Kingdom article. Would you feel up to helping me with this? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 04:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

• I can help with technical things such as copyediting and organizing, but I don't know anything about the topic (or much about Ryukyu), so content-wise I'd be pretty limited. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • If you need access to sources, I've got Wiki-access to JSTOR, Project MUSE, EBSCO, and a bunch of others (waiting on reactivation of my Questia account). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
    • Sturmgewehr88: Holy fuck—just read through the conversation. Whatever issues there are to clear up, dai-ichi would be be this Nanshu character and his bizarre ideas about language (Randy in Boise never understands that he's Randy in Boise, per the Dunning–Kruger effect). As for titling—is there a ja.wp article on the topic? Perhaps that could point out a way. These days I've taken to untranslated titles, as the translated ones can cause problems—for example, I kept on running into different translations of Zashiki Hakkei and each of the prints in the series, so I decided to use the originals and a gloss rather than make an arbitrary decision about which translation to "make official", or load up the article with every translation I could find.
      I'll take a peak at the articles LordAmeth linked to over the break, but it might take me a few days—I'm supposed to go skiing for the next couple days (unless my youngest doesn't stop puking all over the place). Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Thank you! Someone finally realizes what I'm dealing with.. JA Wiki has 琉球の位階, which has the content of the article as of now. Yukatchu (良人) is the Okinawan term for the group, but JA Wiki barely mentions it. I have a source (Smits' Visions of Ryukyu in the glossary) that uses Yukatchu though, and I'm more inclined to use that as the title.
        I have university access to JSTOR, but I'll take anything you have to offer. I'm trying to get as much done before I go on a short trip to DC on the 4th, but skiing and puking sounds exciting too! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
        • If you're not in a rush, I could stop by the library one of these days and see if there are any good sources on this stuff. It might be a bit hard, though, because I don't really know well what I'm looking for. Would Court Ranks in Ryukyu or something like that be an inappropriate title? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:12, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
          • Not in a rush at all. If you're looking for something that's in Japanese, look for Iha Fuyū 伊波普猷 and Uezato Takashi 上里隆史. In English, Mitsugu and Smits as LordAmeth suggested, but also George Kerr. Uezato and Smits are the most recent and least biased. "Court ranks" is basically what JA Wiki did, so that is a possibility. I'm leaning more towards Yukatchu now because, as the native name, it has a certain meaning. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
            • Oh, I had it in my head that you wanted a separate article in addition to the Yukatchu one. If that term covers it, stick with it. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
              • Well, the current article will revert to the name Pechin and all of the information beyond the scope of "Pechin", the single rank, will be moved to Yukatchu, all of the ranks. So yes, that works out nicely then. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 07:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

So I dove back into this and now I'm drowning myself by getting sidetracked. I've gotten a lot done so far, although almost none of it has been with the Pechin or Yukatchu articles. I also just realized that Okinawa Shrine was created a month ago when I went to create it today. But progress is being made! I'm almost done with the history section for Military of the Ryukyu Kingdom. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 10:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

You have been doing a lot of work! I think I'm going to hold off getting involved for maybe a week or two, though—I took out a couple of huge, awkward art books from the library to use during the break, and I think I want to get as much done with them as I can before I have to take them back.
A couple things: is "Yomitanzan" correct? I don't see that in the Yomitan article. Also, I've left a message on the talk page of the user who created File:Ryukyu Kingdoms of Sanzan era.jpg, asking for a version with romanized labels, but it looks like the user hasn't edited in nearly three years. It would be nice to find a graphics person who could do that. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Japan just dropped the "-zan" character in 1907 when they abolished the magiri. I could add this to the Yomitan article (Ryukyu Kuniezu and Chuzan Seikan confirm it if you need a source). And you want the English for the castles right? And I noticed that that map is missing a handful of castles, it's also very difficult to find the exact locations of some of them. But Happy New Year! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 04:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

あけおめ！ Not necessarily English for the map, but romaization for those who don't read kanji. It'd be a very good idea to add something about "-zan" to the Yomitan aritcle, for those of us who click through and are left with question marks hanging over our heads. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done with Yomitan, and I wrote history sections for a few other Okinawan municipalities while I was at it. The APJ:JF website got hacked, so if they haven't cleared it up yet you can see the amusement the hackers left: http://apjjf.org/-Gregory-Smits/3409/article.html ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 07:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

The fuck? I couldn't go back, or even switch tabs—I had to restart my browser. What's the APJ:JF supposed to be? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, didn't do that to me. It's the Asia-Pacific Journal's Japan-related articles, and that website is where they post them. I was about to use Smits' article there for the rest of the Ryukyuan military article, then the site was hacked and replaced by that screen. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 08:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Fun fact: the hacked page autoplays an Indonesian song about Dahlia flowers. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 08:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

High-larious. Do you have an URL for the article? You might be able to find it at the Wayback Machine. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of that, so I'll give it a try. Thanks! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 09:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I just finished the history and organization sections for the military article; I added images under the weapons section but I haven't written anything yet; the karate section is also blank. I'm taking a trip to DC until Wednesday, so I won't be able to edit until then. The Yukatchu rewrite is next on my to-do list. Thanks for c/e the article for me! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 05:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Are you sure you want a section on just karate, rather than a more general one on Okinawan martial arts? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I just saw this, and I altered the section a bit. I've also moved most of the Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom to Yukatchu, but it's a bit of a mess even with some copy edits. The original author of the Yukatchu and Pechin articles didn't really use inline citations, but left all of their sources in a bibliography instead. I also can't physically move the page back to Pechin because of some technical reason, but I've requested a page move. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 06:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

That's frustrating. do you have access to those sources? If not, can you cite the stuff to the sources you have? If it's a hassle enough to work with what's there, there's nothing wrong with rewriting it from scratch—I've done that enough times. Sounds like more work, but sometimes it's actually easier. Work it up in a sandbox and when it's substantial enough, just cut-'n'-paste it over. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like Talk:Scholar-officials of the Ryukyu Kingdom has been deleted rather than moved, so the links Lord Ameth left are gone. Do you have them? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually I do have access to those sources, they're in my university library. I'll just check them out for the weekend. I think it might be easier to just reorganize the article and find references for the (technically) uncited statements. And the only link LordAmeth provided, if I remember right, was to that article that I heavily cited for the military article. I will need the book on the Ryukyuan government that he mentioned though, but I should be able to get that in about a week. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 15:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

89.251.79.27

'Twas but a single click on Huggle. I've been noticing the edits on that article. I thought I had done a few more reverts and warnings, but must have been preempted... Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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