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Murasaki again

Hi Bamse, just checking in. I haven't forgotten about the emaki page but have been overwhelmed by real-life events so I'm not editing much. Hopefully by May I can be back full-time. I haven't had a chance to pull Bowring's diary out of the stack of books it's fallen into, but I will get to it. I think the emaki page should have a more developed lead - what are your thoughts? Also, I think I've addressed your comments on the biography page. Also thanks for holding the fort the other day when the biography was on the front page. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Me is not much active at the moment on wikipedia, but will try to help as much as time permits. Agree about the lead, but I am not really good at leads. Do you have some things in mind that could be added to it. bamse (talk) 11:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very good with leads either and need to bring myself up to speed again, but when I do, I don't mind trying to put in a lead for you that you can tweak. Mostly everything on the page needs to be summarized in the lead and a nice image added. It's a complicated page though, so not all that easy to summarize when not completely immersed in sources. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add a lead then. Most of the article consists of a description of the text and paintings of the scrolls. Not sure how to summarize those or whether it is worth summarizing them at all. bamse (talk) 07:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

As for the lead image, all scenese (for which I could find images) are illustrated in the "Extant scrolls" section. We could either take a detail from those scenes or move an image from a section where there are too many images/too little text. bamse (talk) 07:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe an image from a too little text/too many images section. Truthkeeper (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. Feel free to pick whichever you like. bamse (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

That's a tall order with so many to choose from. I won't get to it immediately though. Leads really are tough for me. None of my pages get a lead until the very end. I need to spend some time thinking about how to tie all of this up. I also want to summarize it on the diary page - which might help the thought process along. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

There was paragraph in the background section that seemed to work well in the lead, so to take the easy path I've tried that for now. If you think it doesn't work, go ahead and revert. I've also moved the images slightly - but also can be reverted. I had the problem of too many images and not enough text in the Murasaki page - so many images exist for her work. Maybe the subject for a list? Something to think about ... Truthkeeper (talk) 01:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks for the changes. bamse (talk) 06:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal

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Translation needed

Hi,

I noticed your username on the list of available translators for German to English language.

I need translation of a text about members of the medieval family Humoj. They lived in Albania in 15th century and were loyal pronoiers to the Venetian Republic who ruled coastal cities of Albania (Albania Veneta). There are a couple of paragraphs written by Oliver Jens Schmitt that I am not able to understand using google translator. Here they are:

Er erreichte damit, dass ihm eine Soldstelle in Skutari bewilligt wurde.140 Der Grundbesitz der Humoj war immer noch beträchtlich: Radic und Maran Humoj verwalteten seit 1441 Gleros bei Skutari, das einst den Bonzi gehört hatte.141 Gleichsam zur Bestatigung der Anspruche seiner Familie kam Andreas Humoj im Jahre 1464 nach Venedig und erzählte von den Taten seiner Vorfahren. Acht jahre spater begab er sich wieder - leider mit uberkannter Mission - an die Lagune. Auf den Hohepunkt des Kampfes um Skutari traf eine weitere Gesandtschaft der Humoj in Venedig ein: sie fasste die Geschichte einer Familie zusammen, die viele Jahrzehnte für Venedig gekämpft und dabei viele Angehörige verloren hatte. Mit Stolz verwiesen die Humoj darauf, dass sie schon in dritter Generation der Signoria dienten.144 Sie erhielten nochmals alle Besitztitel bestätigt. Lange erfreuten sie sich aber nicht mehr ihrer Landerein und Amter. Wie die Moneta entrichteten die Humoj einen hohen Blutzoll im Türkenkrieg: unter den Gefallenen der Schlachten um Skutari waren auch Koja, Tanush, Duka, Michael und Piero Humoj.145 Rätselhaft erscheint vor diesem Hintergrund das Schicksal Andreas Humojs: Er beging verrat und wurde von Generalkapitan Triadan Gritti zum tode verurteilt. Das urteil vollstreckte ein Tuzi. link to the source. Will you please be so kind to help me understanding the meaning of the above text by translating it to English.

Please use my talkpage for communication. Thanks in advance.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the first part of the translation. I checked the link and it works fine in my Chrome browser. It is a book titled "Das venezianische Albanien: (1392-1479)" written by Oliver Jens Schmitt. Thank you.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and translation. Will you please check the possibility that the last sentence refers to a place Tuzi not to a person (The judgement was enforced in Tuzi?)?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you are right that it can mean a person from Tuzi. Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, its me again. Can I ask you for the translation of the below text from this work:

Bezüglich der Strez herrscht Verwirrung. Hopf macht Ivo und Gojko BalSid zu Söhnen des Stefan Strez, welcher Vlajka Kastriota geheiratet hätte und Sohn des Gjuragj Balšić gewesen wäre, eines Bastards des Gjuragj I. Und Maria mit ihren zwei in Ungarn gestorbenen Brüdern wären Kinder dieses Gojko gewesen! (Vergleiche Stammbaum der Balšići.)

Thanks in advance. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your translation of the text written by Karl Hopf. The machine translation was not precise enough. The text deals with 14th and 15th century genealogy of Albanian nobility. Now when you translated it I am afraid that it is obvious that I need to find out if there is "some other info not mentioned in the text" before reaching the final conclusion. I hope I can again approach to you if I do find such info? Thank you very much for your effort.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Tamamushi Shrine

Know you're busy but... Another user has created Tamamushi Shrine and nominated it for DYK; have expanded a little; don't know if there's anything you want to add on the shrine/possible linked pages, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Very glad to see that there is an article about the shrine now. When I get time, I will check some more sources and will add to the article. Mason has some 2.5 pages on the shrine alone. bamse (talk) 14:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm done, over to you - feel free to slash and burn. Have had a request from the primary user to ok the DYK hook too - don't know if you want to weigh in there, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks very very nice. Thank you. Just some random thoughts assuming you want to nominate it at WP:GAN.

~~Is the shrine always located at the same spot? If not, wikipedia rules, might require getting rid of the coordinates.~~

Perhaps not - though couldn't instantly find any exhibitions at the TNM or wherever - but then per Meiji Mura and List of buildings once belonging to Fushimi-jō and now relocated, do they even get the concept of immovable cultural property?

OK, let's assume it is immovable for the time being.

~~If it goes to GAN, any units need to be provided in imperial units as well, e.g. with {{convert}}.~~

Done

Perhaps explain, "dais", shibi, "plinth", etc in-line, so that the reader does not need to follow the wikilink.

In general have tried to gloss, and dais/plinth/pedestal/base/foot etc are somewhat interchangeable so have tried to explain by position - x on y on z

As far as I understand, "direct" sentence construction are preferred over indirect or suggestive phrases like: "One of the many treasures of the Hōryū-ji temple complex, it has been designated a National Treasure." or "wall paintings fared less well"

Pity, nice to have some variation, but have adjusted the first, and rewritten the second ('twas late, tired...)

Agreed, variation is nice. Thanks for changing it anyway.

It would be good to link the images in the "Illustrations" section to the text. (how?)

Agreed

I think there is some possibility with {{anchor}} like in Glossary of Japanese swords for instance

Parts of the "Architectural form" section are very technical and difficult to understand without special knowledge, e.g. " lipless, semi-circular roof tiles", "king-post", "triangular gable field", "cloud-shaped brackets". Perhaps needs more explanation or a drawing or a detailed image.

Also agreed, despite best efforts to gloss and explain terms as part of the description; think it's important to retain this stuff though as it's apparently these kind of details that are so important for comparative purposes - plus, by trying to follow the text in the images (as with the paintings), it might be good for ?understanding?/appreciation; lipless - have linked lip to flange; "In the triangular field at each gable end is a "king-post", supporting the end of the ridgepole" was an attempt to locate and indicate function of king post, obviously not a great one. Do you think Urashimataro might like to be involved in these architectural points? Have added extra link to gable. A detailed (and labelled) image would certainly be great, but I couldn't easily find an old one when taking the photos of the paintings. Could draw one - like those Shiogama Jinja and Kofukuji efforts - and also have access to Maya, but am absolutely disgraphic...

I'll ask Urashimataro.

I like it, but not sure if: "The description below can be followed in these images." (i.e. inline link to commons) confirms to the strict wikipedia guidelines.

Hmm

~~"foming" -> "forming"?~~

Indeed "foming" (apparently), which per kanji or Chinese equivalents looks like Buddha Names, as per gloss

Hmm

~~Last sentence in "Other decoration" section is too complicated for me and could perhaps be split in two.~~

Split with semicolon

~~Not too fond of double negation: "Without optical microscopy...it is not possible..."~~

A fan of litotes myself... changed nonetheless

"...has aroused some debate." Among whom?

Everyone seems to say something different, but this is lame, have adjusted, maybe still needs rewording

What is a "culture hero"?

Linked - prince/regent/"politician" per wp article seems a bit ephemeral - and expanded

Didn't know there was such a term. But is he really "mythological", i.e. does anybody doubt his existence?

~~Not sure about the meaning of the bug image caption ("the metalwork was once brilliant with the wings of the eponymous beetle")~~

Have linked to Wiktionary:brilliant - the wings gleamed under the metalwork

Again, sorry for my poor understanding of the English language.

~~You might want to add dimensions of the tiger scene from Stanley-Baker page 216.~~

Done

~~Perhaps add some profession/title/description to Fenollosa inline.~~

Good idea, done

~~Not sure whether the Mogao cave image should be in category:Tamamushi Shrine.~~

Me neither...it's not its only category, over to you

Don't care that much to change it...

~~How is the shrine related to the Shōsōin or to Historic Monuments of Ancient Nara (mentioned in See also)?~~

Shōsōin - repository of other early works of wood, metal, lacquer, painting etc; Historic Monuments of Ancient Nara, more precisely without capitalization - Milieu? Have replaced with Japanese Buddhist architecture.

OK.

That's all I can think of now. As mentioned above, the article is perfectly fine as is and these suggestions are mostly aimed at satisfying wikipedia guidelines for good or featured articles. So unless you are planning to nominate it, don't worry about it. bamse (talk) 09:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the detailed comments; Art and Architecture Good Articles, of which there are lots, gets a combined 10 views a day - unlike FAs which get rotated across the Main Page (like Murasaki Shikibu, an extra 25,000 views in the first day) - so, per law of diminishing returns, and all those hundreds of Prefectural Natural Parks which still don't have so much as a stub..., plus the fact I need to be offline for most of the next few months, I'm not sure if I'll nominate it. (Oh yes, and per quality scale, this should be "approaching (although not equalling) the quality of a professional encyclopedia." Not necessarily attained... See for example Britannica article, which seems to largely comprise a Maltesers advert of a girl lifting up her top...) However your comments are still more than valid/helpful. Have adjusted the article and responded point per point above, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I can understand your reservation towards GA. If you do decide to nominate it one day, let me know and I'll try to be helpful in the process. Anyway, I replied and stroke some of the items above. bamse (talk) 18:24, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that removed lots! Plus, possibly, Eureka! Have just replaced the link to the commons folder with links to the individual image files (revert if you dislike). The library also has a copy of this - 1915 (so out of copyright), but the b&w images are amazing; be good for the buildings - for condition then, effects of restoration since - plus lots of statues etc. Interested? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure, very much interested! BTW, Urashimataro likes the topic. bamse (talk) 09:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

That's good news - and thank you for your input/compliments/offer; here's the first of those images (think it's one you're missing) - I have about a quarter of the five hundred or so now; resisted the beautiful temples to concentrate initially on the sculptures; propose to retain naming per plates - so as not to misinterpret anything and maybe interesting for the period names and romanization... Do you think there should be a new category in commons for these images? eg Japanese Temples and Treasures (1915) or Shimbi Shoin Temples & Treasures or something like that? There may be a few technical shortcomings on my part - it's really dark in the library and difficult to focus me old manual lenses (not able to use scanners as an external user), but maybe worth it? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks very good. Actually I thought it was a scan. I added a bit to the description (did not bother to identify the third sculpture in the very back). Concentrating on sculptures is a good idea. Looking forward to all those beautiful images. As for the book category, I've seen this sometimes done, though personally I've never used such, so don't really care. bamse (talk) 08:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Like the annotation; is this bell one you're missing? Other than this, one of my favourites, I have for now only processed the NT statues for which there aren't yet any images; 1a, 1b, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10a, 10b; for 11a, and 11b, the caption for location only says 'Kwannondo', but I've checked against pictures in this book, and it looks identical to me (apart from absence of lotus petals around the pedestal), plus the book says it's NT, so I'm happy matching it with Kōgen-ji. Will upload more in a couple of days - would you prefer non-NT sculptures or alternatives to some of the current photos for the next lot? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Amazing set. Thank you. Put all into the treasure list and added some categories. The table does not look that empty anymore. As for what next, I don't have a preference. I am just a bit worried that not all of the images will find a place in a wikipedia article soon, particularly the non-NT sculptures. So perhaps to focus on i) non-NT sculptures of temples where these statues are the main image or main treasure and ii) details of some of the more famous/more interesting looking NT sculptures which might one day get their own wikipedia article (e.g. Guze and Kudara Kannon, Shakyamuni triad at Horyuji, Ashura,...); haven't checked whether those are already covered in detail by pictures on commons though. Also, what other types of pictures are there in the book besides sculptures? bamse (talk) 18:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry - I'll concentrate for now on NTs! From elsewhere is your missing painting and the Taima Mandala; other pictures beside sculptures? how about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 - I haven't checked all of these to see if they are the NTs, in particular none of the armour; they are all in the NT crafts category at the moment and some may need evicting; as for sculptures, similarly replacing a favourite with better 1 (how good is that?), and some new ones too - 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Pretty! Sesshu Toyo, Taima Mandala and 1-13 re-checked, added to NT lists and with some extra categories and descriptions. Only this image I believe is not a NT, at least I could not match it to any of the four NT armours of Oyamazumi Shrine (per this unreliable source and per google image search). On the other hand, that shrine seems to have plenty of armours so it could well be an ICP. Will have a look at 1-8 now. bamse (talk) 22:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. bamse (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, next batch: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12; and some more sculptures, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, well spotted with the images - and you're not the only one, a Japanese user was fleshing out the Unkei article and others with them yesterday, which is pretty quick going. The four buildings are from a three volume set of around a thousand images, not great quality, but perhaps better than nothing; there's also an image of the main hall of Nanatsuji/Nanatsudera in Nagoya, an NT destroyed along with the NT pagoda during the bombing of 1945; the Horyuji statues are from a 60 issue publication on the temple and its treasures; the Saiendo Yakushi is particularly interesting I thought with all those swords arranged around the walls; more recent photos show bare plaster. I did really like your earlier suggestion above about concentrating on details for NT statues about which separate articles could be written. Have now pretty much finished Dainichi - would be good to have the usual comments and suggestions if you have a chance; also, do you have any thoughts about a title? "Statue of Dainichi Nyorai by Unkei (NT)"? There are a couple of other Dainichi's that seem to be attributed to him in some quarters on stylistic grounds. And yes, all 52 bosatsu (although apparently a few depict monks) - if you are interested I could process and upload; finally if there is anything you are particularly after for an article, image or info wise, let me know, as the library's collection is pretty good, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hadn't spotted the swords behind the Yakushi. Very interesting indeed. Do you know the reason or when the photo was taken? Can't remember seeing swords in a temple like that. Will have a look at the Dainichi Nyorai article shortly. I like the idea with the descriptive image. As for the title, perhaps "Dainichi Nyorai (Enjō-ji)" or "Dainichi Nyorai (Unkei)" or "Dainichi Nyorai Zazō (Enjō-ji)" or "Sculpture of Dainichi Nyorai (Enjō-ji)" or ... If this is by far the most famous Dainichi Nyorai sculpture, a title like "Dainichi Nyorai Sculpture" could work. If there are other Dainichi Nyorai sculptures by Unkei of comparable relevance, we might want to specify the location (Enjō-ji); assuming that there is only one such sculpture at the temple. As for what else to do, the bosatsu are nice, but I am not planning to write an article about them anytime soon, so it would be perhaps wasted effort. To photograph and upload all those images. Of course, if you have images for NT which are not covered yet (e.g. buildings, swords, crafts,...) that would be great. When I get time, I hope to complete two articles which I started in my sandbox: User:Bamse/Fujiwara no Hirotsugu Rebellion and User:Bamse/Ban Dainagon Ekotoba. So if you have any sources or images on those, that would be great. bamse (talk) 17:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, couple of updates (1) about the Angen dates and NengoCalc, I've double checked the transcription, and can't explain the discrepancy; (2) Maeda Kokinshu etc, double checked, all correctly identified (have requested renaming of the two switched files) - there's also Hokuzansho, which I think completes the set; (3) Fujiwara no Hirotsugu - I have what I think are the three relevant pages of Shoku Nihongi for 740 (as well as the Farris - can you access his discussion via google books? the link on your subpage doesn't allow me to browse) I see from your subpage that there are a couple of extra sections that might be useful relating to other years - I can fetch them next time; what's the best way to get these to you, email? (4) Ban Dainagon - haven't been able to borrow the book yet (hopefully next week), but have photographed some introductory text (in English) from another volume, which I could also send you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll have even less time than usual for about a month or so and am away from some of my sources. Email is a good idea (I sent you an email. If you reply to it, that should work.) or if you prefer, you could upload them to Dropbox (service) or similar sites and then sent me the link. (1) and (2) thanks. (3) Those pages would be great. In what language are they? As for the Farris, do you mean the "Heavenly warriors..." I believe I got that source from another wikipedian, but can't remember from whom. Will be able to check only in a month, whether I got that file somewhere. (4) Also great, and thank you. But as mentioned before, no need to rush with this stuff. bamse (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Genji question

Hi Bamse, I don't know whether you've seen this conversation re the Genji image. Apparently I made a mistake. I've been looking at images in some museums and found this [1] - do you know if this is an image we have at Commons? I'll go look, but can't always find what I want there. If not, I think I'll upload this to use - certainly it's not one we've used yet. Also thought you might be interested in this link [2]. The Heilbrunn has a lot of interesting information - the links at the bottom of the article are Jstor articles but available w/out having to use Jstor which is handy. Thought you might be interested. Best, Truthkeeper (talk) 21:42, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I saw the discussion, but generally know little about ukiyo-e, so I left it to Viking Rollo and Oda Mari. Don't remember seeing that British Museum image on commons. Alternatively perhaps (not sure) Genji is depicted in the Genji Monogatari Emaki, but maybe you prefer a more portrait style image like you had. Personally I think the article already has many images of Heian people doing Heian stuff, so some calligraphy could be a good idea, also considering that she was a writer. Thanks for the Heilbrunn, looks very useful. bamse (talk) 07:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Translation needed

Hi Bamse - hope you're well and happy to see your page popping up on my watchlist again! I have a quick question: in this file (File:Des Knaben Wunderhorn III (1808).jpg) the title page and frontispiece are described as gestochenem. In this context, does it mean engraved? Truthkeeper (talk) 19:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, a second request: here I'm having a conversation half in German and half in English. If you have a moment, would you look over my shoulder to be certain I'm understanding correctly. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi! If you have time, would you mind translating the following:

Über die Abstammung des berühmten Vertheidigers von Kroja gewähren auch Hopfs Funde keine Aufklärung. Barletius tagt p. 106 über Vranaconte's Abstammung nur: Vranacontem Epiro oriundum gratum et avorum rueritis et propria virtute, und der Despot hisst uns hierüber so sehr im Dunkeln, dass wir nicht einmal zu bestimmen vermögen, ob Maria Zardari die Gattin oder die Schwiegertochter des defenser Crojae war. Doch dürfte vielleicht die Notiz, dass sie als kurz verheirathete Frau im Jahre 1466 mit Skanderbeg's Witwe nach Neapel geflohen sei, eher für die Annahme der Schwiegertochter sprechen. Der Despot erwähnt nur noch, dass sie geheirathet, nachdem beide i loro stati paterni verloren. In Ermanglung bestimmter Angaben in das Reich der Vermuthung verwiesen, kamen wir schon oben bei Erwähnung Branilo's, des Vaters Constantin Kastriota's, Statthalters des Alexander Gioritsch, zu der Frage, ob die Branai etwa einer nach jenem Branilo benannten Nebenlinie der Eiastrieten angehörten. Bedenkt man auf der andern Seite, dass Skanderheg's Mutter eine geborene Tripalda war und ein Nachkomme des Wrana Conto den Titel Marchese di Tripalda rührte, so erscheint selbst die Frage erlaubt, ob nicht etwa Wrana Conto ein Blutsverwandter von Skanderbeg's Mutter war. Brana Conto ist aber sicher Ahnherr der heute noch blühenden Nachkommen der Herzöge von Ferrandino, und eben so sicher ist es, dass diese mutterhalb von Skanderbeg abstammen, weil dessen Enkelin den Antonio Branai heirathet; dass sie aber auch vaterhalb Kastrioten sind, beruht nur auf einer schwachen Vermuthung. - I would appreciate it!--Zoupan 12:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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And some from me too - and sorry about the delay, I took your don't rush too literally. I've sent (1) the Fujiwara passage - you asked what language it's in, well there's no kana; (2) the Farris about it; (3) mini pictures of the three Ban Dainagon scrolls; (4) the Ban Dainagon text; and (5) an English-language introduction to the Ban Dainagon; I've tried to OCR these - the Ban Dainagon text may have worked a bit, but unfortunately the Fujiwara hasn't really; I can easily reimage the Fujiwara if wished; as for the Ban Dainagon, as you know, what I hoped is I'd be able to have some decent quality images and do a photomerge, but there's generally not much overlap, sometimes there's a little missing, the paper's really glossy, and I've photographed them a couple of times and can't get a good result, so I've just sent some overall shots which at least have some labels, a working copy perhaps; individual scenes from other books should be much easier if you specify; good luck! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks a lot and not at all delayed as unfortunately I still don't have too much spare time. But will hopefully make use of these sources in the near future. bamse (talk) 19:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Another short translation needed

Hi. Sorry to bother you again. Do you have some time to translate to me a couple of sentences:

Skanderbeg gehörte jener binnen balkanischen Adelskultur an, die mehr byzantinisch-serbisch als kustenlandisch-katolich war. Bis zur Erhebung von Paulus Angelus zum Erzbischof von Durazzo im Jahre 1460 bewegte sich Skanderbeg den auch in Diesen Bahnen.

Thanks. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Skanderberg belonged to that (inner) balkan nobility (culture) which was more "byzantine-serbian" than "coastal-catholic". Until the appointment of Paulus Angelus as archbishop of Durazzo in 1460, Skanderberg thus was active in those environments.

Can't really make sense of the last part, but perhaps you can with some background knowledge. Let me know if you have any questions. bamse (talk) 21:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Lamé (armor)

I noticed, in my

correct spelling: the word lamé designates metallic cloth, but the plates have no accent. Actually appears "lamé" (metallic cloth) is a later term, derived from "lame" (metal plate).

~~crusade~~ tour that you'd piped away the accent at User:Bamse/List of National Treasures (crafts-others)#armour. Perhaps you'll want at least the opportunity to watch for responses to talk:Lame (armor)#Accent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Jerzy•t|Jerzy•t]] ([[User talk:Jerzy•t|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jerzy•t|contribs]]) 21:27, 26 August 2012‎

Not sure what you are saying, but the page you linked to is only an old sandbox type article. In the final article the word lamé/lame does not appear. bamse (talk) 23:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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The description page of the image (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Apple_Blossoms.jpg) says its dated Southern Song Dynasty, before 1279. Which I took it has to be in the 13th century, as early 12th century is more likely to be Northern Song. The date on the description page is quite unclear in my opinion. I just adjusted to the most reasonable period. However, I did some search, and it seems Zhao Chang was actually active during the Northern Song era. So the date on the image's description page should probably be changed, or at least say Northern Song instead of Southern Song.--Sevilledade (talk) 07:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hello. I was on Wikipedia:Translators available and notice that you were on the list for German to English translators and wondered if you could translate and add materials from de:Manuel von Portugal and de:Emilia von Oranien-Nassau to their English articles and create articles for their two children de:Manuel António von Portugal and de:Mauritia Eleonora von Portugal and their spouse de:Johanna von Hanau-Münzenberg and de:Georg Friedrich (Nassau-Siegen). If you can't I will understand. Thank you!--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 23:23, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hallo Bamse, I was also asked to translate these articles and would like to offer you my support. E.g. I could take de:Manuel von Portugal and de:Emilia von Oranien-Nassau. (Soviel zur Einleitung, den Rest können wir meinetwegen auch auf deutsch besprechen). Viele Grüße, De728631 (talk) 12:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Hallo! Klingt gut, dann mach ich den Rest. Kann aber etwas dauern. bamse (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Alles klar, viel Spaß dabei. De728631 (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Danke. Dir auch. bamse (talk) 21:14, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

[3] and the Dutch wiki version of his article call them illegitimate. The lack of dates asserting their lives seem to show that they aren't legitimate since even insignificant nobles during the time have exact dates of birth and death. Also his surviving daughter married a commoner which would be extremely unlikely if she was a legitimate daughter since Nassau was considered a very royal line at the time and wouldn't have married below the rank of Count or Prince. It must be a mistake on the part of the creator of the German version.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 08:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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FYI... per WP:TPL, the WikiProject biography banner comes first.

But, more importantly, I saw the top of your userpage and read it as "Bamse, the world's strongest BEER". I was exited. I clicked on the wikilink hoping I could order some, but was sadly, sadly disappointed. Dang, my dyslexia got in the way again. Bgwhite (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the disappointment and thanks for your edits to Nakayama Tadachika and the information. In fact it wasn't me who added the biography banner, but good to know anyway. BTW, not sure whether it is a bug in AWB or whether you made a mistake, but that guy died a long time ago, while the banner added said it was a blp. bamse (talk) 19:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

A thousand year-old person could be living :). That was my mistake and not AWB's. There's a database report that is run every week that catches those mistakes. Unfortunately, I get very creative in my mistakes, so no database report can catch them all. Sorry about thinking you added the WP Biography banner... I guess I saw beer and forgot everything else, ya that must be it. :) Bgwhite (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Nakayama Tadachika

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Reply to your query

Here. Samsara (FA • FP) 11:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, you will have to wait another day

I scanned the pages (the entire Fujiwara rebellion section, which was pages 65–82 I think, with two maps), but left the files on the library computer. Will get them tomorrow. Churn and change (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Here finally is the link for the pages and the footnotes: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9158964/multipageproject.pdf That is almost 60 MB, so might take a while to load. Churn and change (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Zurückgesetzt

If you please, are you willing to suggest an opinion about my diffs in a one-sided "discussion" here. --Ansei (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd happily help, but am a bit lost at the moment. Could you tell a bit more what all this is about? BTW, according to zenwort's talk page on de-wikipedia he/she ignores any discussions... bamse (talk) 21:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Aha -- it seems that there is nothing for you to do. I wondered about

(a) a series of format changes in articles about the early emperors; and
(b) removing a JSTOR cite from Jinnō Shōtōki.

In the absence of any response, any possible causes for conflict or dispute remain unresolved. Some questions have no answers. Some problems have no solution.

It now seems clear that I reached out to you too early, too soon.

Do you know the phrase, "Better safe than sorry"? The words describe tentative guesses about when it is best not to take risks even when it seems boring or difficult to be careful? --Ansei (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Kibitsu shrines

Please take a look at these related articles:

Perhaps you can help mitigate some of the confusion which is highlighted here. --Ansei (talk) 18:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me sort through what was puzzling. --Ansei (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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I'm coming from a different place from you - I have given myself the task of keeping category:Pages with missing references list clear (which is where I came across "yours"). So I see a wide variety of pages. As I come across pages with non-Latin text, I think it important to inform the reader that perhaps his computer won't show the page as it should be, so I insert a {{contains xxx text}} as I go. It seems a polite step, and the small square it generates is fairly unobtrusive. Of course I realize that for most visitors it is unnecessary - if they visit a page describing Japanese writing for instance, then one may assume that they have an interest enough to have already made any modification required, and in any case not to be surprised by the page containing Japanese text. On the other hand, maybe they aren't aware that modifications need to be made.

Either way, I think it important, and it can only help their Wikipedia experience. (By the way, I've not tested, but I hope the template carries a 'do not print' tag).

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Sun 07:24, wikitime= 23:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

(Page stalker) For accessibility reasons, {{lang}} or Multilingual support templates such as Category:Japanese multilingual support templates are supposed to be used to wrap all non-English text on WP, but many editors (even editors who have been told about these WP accessibility guidelines)—and particularly editors of articles relating to Europe and Vietnam—are embedding foreign-language text without using templates. There are also templates such as {{expand}} and Lang title for foreign-language and mixed-language article titles, but they also seem to be little used. LittleBen (talk) 04:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I am usually careful and use {{nihongo}} wherever there is some Japanese text. I think it is a better solution since it informs the reader directly at the place where the Japanese text appears. The nihongo template is also less obtrusive than the "contains xxx text" templates which IMO has a too prominent position in the lead for what it is. bamse (talk) 07:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of National Merit - Japan

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German translation

Hello. I was on Wikipedia:Translators available and notice that you were on the list for German to English translators and wondered if you could translate de:Louis Philippe Marie Léopold d’Orléans, prince de Condé to Louis d'Orléans, Prince of Condé? Thank you.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, there's no need to deal with this. The Emperor's New Spy has been asking quite a lot of translators and Bermicourt was the fastest to create the article. De728631 (talk) 21:13, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Genroku kuniezu

If it is convenient, please take a look at Genroku kuniezu. --Ansei (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC) talk) 15:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Tokyo

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I'm not sure I understand this well enough; but I'm also uncertain about what this implies. I wonder if you might be willing to offer a third opinion? --Ansei (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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