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Religion
[edit]Modalistic Monotheism / The Great God
[edit]Nymphs, Strymon,
Twin Horsemen; Vedic Parallel; Bromius; Dionysus Campaign in India; Ashvins
the papyrus claims that the ordinary person, even when initiated, does not understand; he does not know, for instance, that all the different gods who are worshipped are one, namely Zeus, who is also Air and permeates all creation (cols. XVI-XIX); or, again, that evil spirits and the Furies are vengeful souls {cite derveni papyrus studies}
The Coming of Orpheus
[edit]Orphism, Orpheus, prophet, returned from the underworld, salvation; parallel Christianity; thracians don't fear death at all quote authors
According to him, both Orpheus compose allegories (to preach God){cite derveni papyrus studies}
about the secrets of natureand of God; his term for this is iepoXoyeiGOal (see below). In the Orphic cosmogony, the allegory runs "from the first word to the last"; it was fully intended by the poet, as is proved by his opening verse, where he declared that he was writing only for the "pure in hearing" (col. VII). The chosen are few indeed, since not even the priests can explain the rites and sacred texts to those whom they initiate (col. XX): this is because they do not explain them as allegories.
"Earth," "Mother," "Rhea" and "Hera" are the same.167She was called "Earth" by convention, "Mother" because everything comes to be from her, "Ge" and "Gaia" in accord with individuals' dialect. She was called "Demeter"like "Ge Meter," a single name from both; for it was the same (name). There is a statement in his Hymns too:
"Demeter Rhea Ge Meter Hestia Deio."{cite derveni papyrus author & orpheus, page}
Greco-Roman Syncretism
[edit]cite the orphic hymns
Christianity
[edit]{the portrayal and mysteries of Sabazios, best preserved the original Thracian (Great Farther) God called by many names well into Roman Times and leaked into Christianity}
3 Separate Accounts; Bessi Bible; Sabazios; Hand of God
{Citations for Elements}
[edit]- Night[1]
- Sky[2]
- Sky's Phalus
- Mind - God (Kro-nous)
- Shining Bolt (Zis)
- Swallowing Wisdom (Metis)
- Wide-Flow
- River (Achelouis)
- Windstorm (Aegis)
- (Re) Union
- Any Children of Sky's Phalus and Sky's Body
- Harmony
- Persuasion
- Passion
- Allies of Justice (Erinyes)
- Jars of Good and Evil
- Gifts of Good
- Gifts of Evil
- Predicted Rule
- Illustrious Daimon
- Strength in Arms
- Moral?? (Hermes)
- Moon
- Fate (Breath of Fate?)
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Sources
[edit]- Janko, Richard (2001). The Derveni Papyrus ("Diagoras of Melos, Apopyrgizontes Logoi?"): A New Translation (in Ancient Greek). doi:10.1086/449521. ISSN 0009-837X.
References
[edit]- ^ Janko & Derveni Papyrus Translation, p. 22, Orpheus:
"Night, the gods' immortal nurse who voices all things, said."; "As they consider that this god prophesies, they go to ascertain what they should do."
The Commentator:
(Orpheus) says that (Night) "prophesied from the adyton" because he makes the judgment that the depth of night is "adyton".
Adyton - innermost sanctuary, shrine, core, source
Note: Orpheus expresses that from the depths of the Night (the Subconscious, Feminine Aspect of the Mind) arise (are born) all ideas that will ever be had, that it's the seed of all thoughts that will ever be formed. He implies that the void of night is not empty but infinitely full, like a chaotic sea that contains all potentials at once. It's Zeus (the Conscious, Masculine Aspect of the Mind) that decides which of the infinite possibilities is realized and given form. The verse "As they consider that this god prophesies, they go to ascertain what they should do." attempts to describe intuition and putting trust into it. - ^ Janko & Derveni Papyrus Translation, pp. 24–26, Orpheus:
"Sky son of Night, he who first was king."; "From him in turn (came) Kronos, and next was crafty Zeus."; "Zeus was born first, Zeus of the shining bolt was last."; "Zeus is head, Zeus is center, all things are from Zeus."; "of the penis of the first-born king, and on him grew all the immortals, blessed gods and goddesses, the rivers, lovely springs and all the rest, all that had then been born; he himself alone became."
The Commentator:
The phrase: "he himself alone became." By saying this he reveals that Mind itself existing on its own, is equal to everything else, as if the rest were nothing. For it is impossible for these things that exist to exist without Mind.... (Mind) equal to everything... "king of all" ... Mind and... (This verse proves that Zeus) existed before he was named; then he was named. For Air was pre-existent even before those things which now exist were put together, and he will always exist; for he did not come to be, but existed.
Note: Orpheus expresses that Sky, Kronus, and Zeus are all Zeus (are all God Consciousnesses). These allegorical labels correspond to the Universal Mind, the Mind and the Mind's Rational Wit that are all the same thing which arose from itself in this order"
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