Template talk:Archive/Archive 3

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Template-protected edit request on 7 January 2021

Copy the contents of Template:Archive/sandbox, which adds categories, into Template:Archive. JsfasdF252 (talk) 17:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done (WP:BRD - assume we are at step 3 now). @JsfasdF252: this will need a lot more discussion, several initial issues: it will categorize 200,000+ pages; the categories created will be redlinks (e.g. Category:Mediawiki_talk_page_archives); that may not be the best naming convention for the categories. I suggest you start a discussion to gain consensus that this project-specific categorization is useful first. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 5 September 2020

It would be good to be able to go directly to the article page from an archived talk page. I suggest adding the link to the article next to the link to the main talk page, on the top left, just below "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". See for example Talk:Black_hole/Archive_14. We could change it from:

"< Talk:Black hole"

to:

"Talk:Black hole - Article:Black hole"

I have removed the leadign "<" sign, but we could keep it if that is the preferred option. Vpab15 (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

To editor Vpab15: this sounds like something the devs would have to handle. You might want to consider opening a feature request at the Wikimedia Phabricator. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 02:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks To editor Paine Ellsworth: , I have created task [[1]]. Vpab15 (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Why is it important to have this functionality in the web interface itself. Wouldn't it be sufficient if the {{talkarchive}} (or {{Talkarchivenav}} etc) header template contained that link? (I mean, it's a job we can do ourselves, right?) Would save us having to involve the devs... CapnZapp (talk) 09:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Link to page discussed

I came here to ask the same thing:

To reduce the number of clicks needed to return to the page under discussion, can we add a link to change:

This page is an archive of past discussions.

to something like:

This page is an archive of past discussions about Example.

Are there any edge cases where this would not be appropriate, that need to be catered for? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing You should have that discussion at {{aan}} since this template will be redirected there shortly because of the merger. --Trialpears (talk) 16:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but "The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Archive and delete Template:Archive navigation after conversion". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You're not wrong. The name that will be used is Archive, but the code is that of aan since that one already has navigation. Hence any edits made to this page will soon not be in use. --Trialpears (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Getting ready to merge

Moved from Template talk:Automatic archive navigator

There are now only a handful of pages left with both {{archive}} and {{archive navigation}} and they are locked to admins.[2] The other uses of both have been converted to only {{aan}}. Some pages are user talk pages like User talk:Alison/Archive 80. @Alison: I think you are an admin and can update your own pages? Feel free to ask questions about the transition from two templates to one. The user talk pages for SirFozzie like User talk:SirFozzie/Archive 10 are also locked and will need an admin to update. This page is also understandably locked: Wikipedia talk:Administrators open to recall/Archive 1. An admin will need to update it. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 23:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for the ping :) I've manually updated all my archive pages, so I should be in the clear now. While I was at it, I went in and updated SirFozzie as well. He's not going to mind! - Alison ^talk 03:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• I've also done Wikipedia talk:Administrators open to recall/Archive 1 - Alison ^talk 03:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The "current talk page" link will break for "/YEAR/Month" archives.

Moved from Template talk:Automatic archive navigator

Check out these two pages:

{{aan}}

User talk:EuroCarGT/Archives/2013/July (red link to User talk:EuroCarGT/Archives/2013)

{{talk archive}}

User talk:EuroCarGT/Archives/2013/July (blue link to User talk:EuroCarGT)

I came across this while converting pages that use {{archive}}+{{archive navigation}} to {{aan}} in order to merge {{archive}}. I haven't looked into solutions yet. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging folks I see have edited the lua modules: @Mr. Stradivarius, Paine Ellsworth, DannyS712, Hilst, Toohool, Xaosflux, Pppery, and Andrybak:

Template:Archive constructs the link as [[{{{1|{{#ifexist:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|{{TALKSPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|{{SUBJECTSPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}}}}|current main page]]. This template is calling mw.title.getCurrentTitle(). Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 12:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Special:Diff/1234343052 seems to fix it (see User talk:Hilst/Archives/2013/July). Since you're a template editor, could you please sync the main module? – Hilst [talk] 21:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this seems to break one of the testcases at Template:Automatic archive navigator/testcases/TestArchive1. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed! Is this really intended behavior though? – Hilst [talk] 22:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hilst, I've just pushed it live, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 08:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Edge case issue for notice boards.

Moved from Template talk:Automatic archive navigator

If you go to an archived notice board discussion with {{Archive}}, like this one. The template's link text changes from "current talk page" to "current main page", and it switches from calling the yellow {{Tmbox}} to the grey {{Mbox}}. It is using {{Namespace detect}} to make both switches. Can this template do the same? (I'm posting in this thread because it is a similar issue and in case anyone is subscribed) @Andrybak and Hilst: pinging you guys for expertise. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Done! Check out the sandbox version. – Hilst (talk | contribs) 14:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Hilst! I've pushed this live. On actual archives it looks fine: Talk:Afghanistan/Archive_6, and it now renders grey like {{Archive}} does in mainspace. At the top of Template:Automatic archive navigator it uses the grey {{tmbox}} (which makes sense as it's not a talk page). Is there a way to get the yellow rendering in the template's example like on Template:Archive? I think this would more clearly signal to editors that they're in the right place. I hope I'm not putting too much on your plate; there's just a good bit here that's over my head. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Done! The implementation is not as neat as the one in {{Archive}} since we don't have <noinclude> on modules, but it should work. Please remember to remove "/sandbox" from line 135 when pushing it to the live version. – Hilst (talk | contribs) 13:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii, could you check out the changes I've made? We should be ready to finish the merge now (unless {{archive}} or {{archive navigation}} have some functionality that I've missed :v). – Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Hilst. I've pushed the changes live. If no more problems pop up, then yes I think it's ready to merge. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: I copied the live version of this template to Template:Archive/sandbox and copied the testcases over to Template:Archive/testcases. I started to look into issues, but realized it would be more productive to just reach out. I copied the module over to Module:Archive, and invoked it from {{Archive/sandbox}}. The banner always renders as {{aan}} would render, on its own, as if the module isn't seeing any parameters. If I copy the text from the sandbox and just invoke it inline, it works fine. The two examples below both have the same |prev= and |next= parameters from the testcases page:

Examples commented out after fixes.

Not sure what the issue is, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 19:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: It's been fixed! Line 352 was the one causing the problem, since it was trying to get the parameters from Aan. PS: The examples above are making it so I can't add a new section or reply to you quickly, can you remove them? – Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: I've commented them out, sorry about that. I should have been more patient; I changed that line just before posting, but maybe didn't wait long enough for the change to take effect. The box is still grey for me at the template page Template:Archive/sandbox, but this is likely the same issue where I'll just have to wait a minute.

I'm going to start merging the templates' documentation next. On that note, is a |1= parameter meant to do something for this template? The docs say it suppresses a message, but using it seems to have no effect. And I don't know why it would be desirable to hide the message? {{Archive}} uses it to define a custom link for the main page, but I'm struggling to find a page that uses that in a useful way.

My plan is to leave {{Automatic archive navigator}} up for a few days in case something goes awry and then convert this template and talk page into redirects. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

• It's still grey because the line is pointing to the main template, not the sandbox.
• The message only gets suppressed if the first parameter is 1, i.e. {{Automatic archive navigator|1}}. It's a leftover from an old template that was previously merged into this one. It can probably be changed to how the parameter works on {{Archive}}, but I'd rather keep it how it works right now, for compatibility reasons. (Also, how many peopl realistically click that link?
• Yeah, that's what I had in mind too. On a different note, Module:Archive should probably be deleted in favor of Module:Automatic archive navigator being moved to that title, since I'd like to keep its revision history intact.

– Hilst (talk | contribs) 20:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

• "1=1" suppresses the message sounds good. I'll try to make it more clear in the /doc page. A parameter to change the link target really doesn't make much sense.
• Gotcha, I'll likely do the moves this afternoon.

Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Once the testing module is deleted, I'll move the proper module over to Module:Archive and make the same name changes. I'll have to go ahead and convert this template into a redirect so that it continues to work as intended. Thanks again, Hilst, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: I'm looking over the doc page to do the merged one. There's a bit that seems wrong. It says "| style (minor warning) / notice (messages)" give the same effect as on {{tmbox}}. "|type=notice", "|style=notice", "|notice", and "|1=notice" all seem to do nothing in this template. Should this be removed or is the meaning unclear? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

"style" and "notice" in this case mean the special types listed at Template:Tmbox § Talk page message box types. It's supposed to be passed to {{Automatic archive navigator}} through |type=, but it seems like that functionality was not coded in (or only existed in a previous version). I've added it to the sandbox, so writing something like {{Aan|type=speedy}} will now give you a *very* menacing header. (Though I'm not sure if we should allow people to do that.) – Hilst (talk | contribs) 00:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I checked archive.org, and the parameter has done nothing for years.[3] I think your sandbox version is what the doc intended, but I can't see how that's valuable. Especially when the free-form style parameters already allow changing the colors. I'm merging the two template nows and will archive this talk page soon. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Ready to merge

Per discussions at the other two templates,[4][5] I think this is ready to merge. In case there are any unexpected issues, perhaps the code from Template:Automatic archive navigator should be copied over first, and then the modules and subpages moved over? The remaining uses of Template:Archive navigation are a bunch of weird quirky things and won't affect replacing this template with {{automatic archive navigator}}. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Now merging the two templates, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Automatic archive navigator got archived while I was writing up a reply to you :V. Regardless, many thanks for finishing up the merge and reporting issues, I really appreciate it! – Hilst (talk | contribs) 01:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, shoot, sorry about that. I appreciate the work you put in and your patience with my questions. (I moved that talk page over to Template talk:Archive/Archive 2 here since it contains discussions about the current code base of the template.) Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 July 2024

Please move the config page from Module:Automatic archive navigator/config (under a redirect) to Module:Archive/config, and perform the following edit to the main module:

Line 342:	Line 342:
function p._aan(args, cfg, currentTitle)	function p._aan(args, cfg, currentTitle)
cfg = cfg or mw.loadData('Module:Automatic archive navigator/config')	cfg = cfg or mw.loadData('Module:Archive/config')
currentTitle = currentTitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle()	currentTitle = currentTitle or mw.title.getCurrentTitle()
local aan = Navigator.new(args, cfg, currentTitle)	local aan = Navigator.new(args, cfg, currentTitle)

– Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

This should be done. There is one other template invoking Module:Automatic archive navigator/config, {{Automatic archive navigator editsection}}. JPxG, that second template appears to only be used in your user space. Do you mind moving the module and making the change above to Module:Archive and Module:Automatic archive navigator editsection. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but I will have to be pinged about it later, because I am too tired at the moment to commit to some big-ass thing where I have to sit around for half an hour and make sure I do not break everything. jp×g🗯️ 21:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I did not realize I was asking a big-ass thing. Let me go ahead and knock out most of it. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: I've done the above and also moved over the /doc and /sandbox pages. There are two sets of testcases pages that I haven't moved over yet.[6] None of these are template-protected, but if you don't feel comfortable moving them, I can move these also. @JPxG: I did the changes requested above. Because moving a module leaves a redirect behind, Module:Automatic archive navigator editsection will continue to function as it did before; you can update whenever you wish. I had reached out because I've been avoiding messing with any of the custom userspace headers while merging these templates; some are pretty complex and specific-to-the-person. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done. – Hilst (talk | contribs) 21:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Link to page discussed

Repeating my previous request, before this template was merged with {{aan}}:

To reduce the number of clicks needed to return to the page under discussion, can we add a link to change:

This page is an archive of past discussions.

to something like:

This page is an archive of past discussions about Example.

Are there any edge cases where this would not be appropriate, that need to be catered for? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I've added it to the sandbox version (sorry for taking so long :V), check it out at Template:Archive/testcases and User talk:Hilst/sandbox. @Rjjiii: Any thoughts? – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: LGTM, thank you. I have template editor rights, if you need someone to implement it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead! :) – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 21:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

No objections here, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

{{Done}} Please report any issues promptly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Reverted. @Hilst: I checked Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom/Archive 1, and the revised template generated the red-linked text "This is an archive of past discussions about COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom/Archive 1."

@Pigsonthewing: Oops!  Fixed in the newest sandbox version. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 23:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

OK,  Done again. As before, please report any issues promptly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Category talk pages

Hello, it seems like this template is inadvertently placing archives of category talk pages into their respective categories. For example, Category talk:Candidates for speedy deletion/Archive 1 is currently under Category:Candidates for speedy deletion (here are all category talk pages with this template). The template displays the message "This is an archive of past discussions about .", without the category name, and removing the template gets rid of the category placing. ObserveOwl (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note that for some reason the CSD category talk archive has two duplicate transclusions of the template (the second one at #Odd bug) so removing both of them makes the page away from the category. ObserveOwl (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing and Hilst: there's a colon missing from the output. It should be "Category:Candidates for speedy deletion" ([[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]). Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl, @Rjjiii:  Fixed in the sandbox. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 18:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: Only in main space, this adds an extra colon that breaks the link. See Talk:Antisemitism/Archive 20, where it says "This is an archive of past discussions about [[::Antisemitism]]." I checked the other namespaces and it seems to work in those, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Check again, it should be working this time :) – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! And also sorry about doing two updates back to back on a widly used template. I noticed the live template was linked to the sandbox and needed to go ahead and fix that. And also, thanks for leaving the clear message above with links and examples, ObserveOwl, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Very nice, thank you both! :) ObserveOwl (talk) 19:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

New parameters discussion

Copying a post from Steel1943 below:

@Rjjiii: I noticed some of these abnormalities as well, and had actually started manually editing some transclusions to conform with what seemingly needs to be done here. And ... you may the best editor to ask this, given I saw your work on Module:Archive and since I'm not very versed in editing modules/Lua: In Template:Archive, did 1=1 function like it does prior to you performing your edits? (After reviewing the edit history of Template:Archive/doc, it looks like it did not, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong there.) If not, is it possible for that to instead of hiding just the text in the article box to hide the entire archive box, leaving just the navigational links below it? Steel1943 (talk) 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Responding here so that the discussion will be easier to locate for future editors. I'm not so great with Lua either tbh; if you look at the sandbox histories, you'll see that I've mostly been discussing, testing, and cleaning up talk pages.

The sandbox now has |omit=banner to omit the whole box. There is almost certainly a better way to code that if you flag down someone better with lua modules. It worked okay when I previewed {{archive/sandbox|omit=banner}} on a few of the odd pages. |next= and |previous= are already available, but for some pages like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth/archive10 it probably makes more sense to move the page. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hilst: I only added a parameter because I was unsure how "1=1" was currently being used. In your recent sandbox update (much appreciated!), the sandbox version now omits the banner for "1=1". If that works fine on the pages currently doing it, then "omit=banner" can just be removed entirely. That's closer to what Steel1943 had proposed anyway. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: I think omit can be kept, since we could do something like |omit=links, which would keep only the banner. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 20:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Do you have any example pages with |1=1 so I can preview them? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Only one I know of is this template's testcases page. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been in Template:Automatic archive navigator since the beginning,[7] but I don't see any usage on actual archives. "|omit=<whichever>" is probably more clear. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I've implemented this in the sandbox. I've also removed |1=1, since I don't see any value in keeping a special case that is pretty much unused. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 14:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Could you review the changes and push them to the live template? It's just a simple rewrite of table code, |omit=links, and some misc improvements (ignore the yellow test cases, the output is the same between both versions, save for the order of some CSS rules). Thanks. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 17:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and if I don't do it in a week or so, {{ping}} me again to remind me. The whole site's default font size is a bit bigger, so the links are slightly too wide on a page like Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 101 (try zooming the page in and out with the toolbar pinned, if it looks fine at first), so fixing that is a priority. I'm also waiting a week to see if any more bugs are reported, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 19:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

By too wide, do you mean that they spill out into the sidebar? If so, a simple max-width: 100% should prevent that. I don't use Vector 2022, so I didn't know that that was an issue. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, only on Vector 2022. The mobile site and app both scroll overflow. Try this link: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_101?useskin=Vector-2020 Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 19:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, I'll still wait a bit. Introduce changes slowly in case more problems pop up, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 19:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)