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Review: November 18, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Advertisement for Yan Ruisheng

... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) was China's first full-length feature film?

Source: Xiao, Zhiwei (1998). "Chinese Cinema". In Zhang, Yingjin; Xiao, Zhiwei (eds.). Encyclopedia of Chinese Film. New York, London: Routledge. pp. 3–30. ISBN 978-0-415-15168-9., among many others

ALT1: ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), China's first full-length feature film, was banned within two years? Source: Xiao, Zhiwei (2013). "Policing Film in Early Twentieth-Century China". In Rojas, Carlos; Chow, Eileen (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Chinese Cinemas. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 452–471. doi:10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199765607.013.0025. ISBN 978-0-19-998331-5.
ALT2: ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), China's first full-length feature film, advertised its shooting in brothels? Source: Chen Jianhua (陈建华) (24 August 2021). 《阎瑞生》摄制与剧照之百年回观 [A Century-long Review of the Filming and Stills of "Yan Ruisheng"]. The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 22 October 2024.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/George Frederick Cumming Smillie

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 697 past nominations.

— Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article looks good. Nice work. A minor point: @Crisco 1492: Is it appropriate to say in the hook that it was China's first full-length feature film when the article seems to be a little less certain (Yan Ruisheng is commonly identified as the first Chinese-made full-length feature film / has been considered China's first full-length feature film)? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BeanieFan11. That's me hedging my bets, because I distrust "first" claims even when multiple sources say "is", explicitly. I've changed the article to say "is". — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably fine then. Though, if you're not completely certain you could change the hook to something like e.g. "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) is considered China's first full-length feature film?" or "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), considered China's first full-length feature film, was banned within two years? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yeah... only the sources don't have that level of uncertainty. I should have just gone with "is" from the get-go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Yan Ruisheng/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 22:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Yovt (talk · contribs) 18:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one on. Ping me if I'm not back by next week. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 18:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492 I have completed the review, please take some time to check it out. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Lead is the appropriate 3 sentences long. Produced as short films were gaining traction among domestic producers, Yan Ruisheng was China's first full-length feature film. might read awkward, I'd suggest rewording to As short films were gaining traction among domestic producers, Yan Ruisheng was produced as China's first full-length feature film.

I've rephrased to China's first full-length feature film, Yan Ruisheng was produced as short films were gaining traction among domestic producers. Thoughts? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works too. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

Appropriately comprehensive and concise.

Production

Production and background seem right, nice illustrations. I'd suggest de-linking Shanghai Garrison Command if there is no article for that. Also footnote c has a red link.

Per WP:REDLINK, links should be allowed red where there is the potential to create an article. I've had trouble finding sources on the garrison, and haven't looked for Lu Jie, but Murder of Wang Lianying, Xinwen Bao, and Kwan Man-ching have all been turned blue since this article was written. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Release

I have reviewed references here and on reception, and although some are WP:MREL, I can see that som ae appropriate. Be sure to keep those inline citations up to date and archive when necessary.

Critical reception (in this case Legacy)

Everything's alright here, just like in release, be sure to cite inline.

I myself have no further objections to this article passing GA given the subject. Although it may not seem like a GA pass due to lack of primary content sections, this lost film does't really have them. Good work!

Thanks for the review! It is tough with lost films, especially ones where so much is known on the inspiring circumstances... but given that some stage productions added things like Lianying's ghost appearing to her family, it wouldn't meet WP:V to assume everything lines up with how it was in reality. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.