Talk:XXXTentacion/Archive 1

Some sort of info about X

Jahseh is actually from Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale, Florida. If you noticed this sentence from his Legal Issues section "Onfroy was arrested again later that month on charges of false imprisonment, witness tampering, and aggravated battery of a pregnant victim" is believed to be his pregnant girlfriend Geneva. He was not a bad person, he suffered from a lot of mental illnesses and wanted to make a change in the world, unfortunately, he died before he could finish his journey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.209.205 (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

As he's released from prison, he stated that he's working on three projects. But first, I gotta say that Bad Vibes Forever released online so change "TBA" to "2016". He has 2 new albums named "17" and "I Need Jesus" and a new collaboration album named "Members Only Vol. 3". On August, 23 2017 Janseh Onfroy committed suicide by hanging

I'll change this post if I notice anything should be on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.106.150.147 (talk) 04:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2017

May i edit the post to put in some legit pictures and reliable text? XKusako (talk) 07:55, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Note:

The domain www.xxxtentacion.com is not owned by the artist or anyone affiliated with him but rather a fan of his named John. Same thing is also true about his Facebook fan page. None of it is official. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayasheu (talk • contribs) 08:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

X is from Syrian and Jamaican decent. XxxSmartMind12 (talk) 11:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

The Controversial Age of Jahseh D. Onfroy / 'XXXTENTACION'

I have noticed some heavy debate among fans, due to the fact that X keeps his personal information as private as possible, especially his age, and I have seen several sources claim different ages. One source claims that he was born in 1998, and is 19 years old, but another source speculates that he was actually born in 1997, and is in-fact 20 years old. His birthday is on January 23, so in order for him to be 19, he would have had to have just turned 19, right?

If he was 19 when the No Jumper interview took place, that means that on January 23, 2017, he must've turned 20, right?

How old was he when the No Jumper interview took place? (April 27, 2016)

- [User: Raptor_XIV] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raptor XIV (talk • contribs) 18:34, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

What are the sources that make each of those claims? It's hard to evaluate reliability without links. —C.Fred (talk) 00:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

he recently had his birthday and yes he did turn 20 Sorry for everything (talk) 04:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2017

In the genre section of the musical artist infobox, I would like Rock to be added as a genre. XXXTentacion has made many rock songs such as FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION Interlude, Valentine, Garette's Revenge, and KING. These songs that I listed do not fit into the Rap or R&B genre at all, therefore presenting XXXTentacion as simply a Rap, Trap, and R&B artist is inaccurate and a misrepresentation of him that puts him in a box. So please add Rock as a genre to the musical artist infobox genre section. Mixoris (talk) 06:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

There is no reliable sources for music besides music itself. Mixoris (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: That's not how it works. If you do not have a reliable source to say this is true, then (for your intent and purposes), it is not true. Please provide a reliable source. Izno (talk) 17:52, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Relationship between ski and x

In the wikipedia of portugal has article of the pt: Ski Mask, the Slump God, should have an English, of the country of orgem. LookAtMeXXX (talk) 23:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

He is not a notable artist also the article was barely made today by you, i wouldn't doubt of it being erased soon . Bwoii 23:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Has reliable sources, and is well known, hits of nearly 50 million views (YT + SC), and the source proves the notoriety. LookAtMeXXX (talk) 02:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I made a Ski Mask page, its getting approved right now WolvesS (talk) 02:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Pronunciation of his rap name

According to this genius video (https://genius.com/videos/How-to-correctly-pronounce-xxxtentacion (go to around 30s in)) it is pronounced differently, more spanish if that makes sense. I don't know how to edit the IPA stuff, so if someone could that'd be great Sheikhalali (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Done. Nardog (talk) 18:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2017

I would like to add a link to digital download in the second mixtape 2601:C6:C003:EE9:B866:3718:FC5C:5E75 (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 02:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2017

As visible on the Wikipedia page, XXXTentacion has many genres. Having so many genres, I don't think it would be accurate to just box him in as a rapper. I would like it to say "artist" instead or if not that, then "rapper and singer." I would hope the Wikipedia page itself would be a reliable source due to it being protected and only edited if the source provided is reliable. Mixoris (talk) 14:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: The list of genres is unsourced and no, it doesn't count as reliably-sourced just because it is under page protection. Looking at the sources in the article, particularly those surrounding his legal trouble and not his chart position or the like, most sources agree on describing him as just a "rapper". Wikipedia follows what sources say. I recognize that this area of music is particularly likely for most media to have systemic biases and mis-characterizations, but "correcting" those by deciding for ourselves what to call him is to risk violating the No Original Research policy. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding "Personal Life" section

Theres enough information out there about XXXTentacion from interviews that can go towards a personal life section. I don't want to be crowding the early life section up with stuff that isn't needed. WolvesS (talk) 02:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2017

add Alternative R&B and R&B into genres 2001:8003:52DF:6301:6148:CA90:B982:ED33 (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 14:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

How about this? or this, XXXTentacion has even called his music R&B here. I don't think deciding on genres can be decided via sources as that would put more weight on music journalists, it should be a consenus thing. WolvesS (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Discography

How many of these listed albums, EP's and Mixtapes are actual releases? Feels like some are more or less in official compilations of Soundcloud files after a quick check on the web. HellenKellerMoment (talk) 04:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2017

XXXTentacion is from Jamaican, Syrian, Indian and German mix. 178.153.94.73 (talk) 16:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Please view his interview where X states this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XxxSmartMind12 (talk • contribs) 11:28, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2017

Change "X released his first song Vice City in 2014" to "X released his first song News/Flock in 2013" because that was his first original song later deleted. Source: https://twitter.com/xxxtentacion/status/345765591761690625 and https://www.reddit.com/r/XXXTENTACION/comments/64j47a/lost_xxxtentacion_songs/ CartiBeAVoss (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 22:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2017

Should it also be noted that he worked with Clams Casino pre-fame? BashBarti (talk) 20:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — nihlus kryik  (talk) 20:32, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2017

162.206.25.38 (talk) 06:19, 24 December 2017 (UTC)jahseh dwayne onfroy has been to jail 100 times

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gulumeemee (talk) 08:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018

This is the line in question: The "xxxtentacion" Youtube channel uploaded the video "#THEHELPINGHANDCHALLENGE" on the same day. The video included Onfroy donating $20,000 worth of items to a foster home.[84]

And it needs to be changed to "over $10,000" not $20,000. There is NO report out that confirms that figure, it was alluded to in one Instagram story, yet never shown/proven. The article (84) that this links to doesn't even mention the $20,000 figure.

I chased this story down, speaking with the foster home (SOS Florida) as well as compiling the list of gifts & their prices from both Walmart & Guitar Center. Both accounts come up far short of $20,000 & SOS would not confirm that he had pledged that amount. Publishing the full figure as fact on this wiki page, at $20,000--when it is not confirmed--is bogus and needs to be changed to "over $10,000"

If you have doubts, you can run these numbers against #TheHelpingHandChallenge video. I took my own time to sort through both what is seen and spoken of in the video. Here are the breaks:

Walmart Prices

5 x D SERIES 32" HDTV ($144.99 - $199.99) = $1000 (at $200) 8 x PS4 (He says 10 @ 5:53) = $2690 (at $269) 6 x LAPTOP (HP 481?) (Confirmed at 6:06) ($219-1200) $3000 (at $500) 16-20 PS4 Games - ($20-60) $800 (at $40)

= $7760, before tax Guitar Center Prices

1 x Code 49 Keyboard ($299) 1 x Keyboard Stand ($30) 1 x GigMaker Acoustic Guitar ($169) 1 x DW 3000 Hardware pack ($349) 1 x Yamaha Stage Custom Birch 5pc Drum Shell Pack ($649) 1 x Fender Acoustic Guitar Starter Pack ($139-150) 1 x Pair of Drum Sticks (~$10) 1 x Drum Throne ($46-170) 1 x RoadRunner Premium Drum Rug ($55.99-79.99) 1 x Boom Cymbal ($50-120)

= ~$1,911, before tax

Random Things He Mentions ~ 5:38 in #TheHelpingHandChallenge video:

Teddy Bears (i.e. Pokemon) (29.99 10x)= $300 Composition Notebooks - $50

= ~$350

Random bags of TUFF clothes (i looked online & couldn't find anything called TUFF)

estimated ~$700 in clothes.

  $7,760 

+ $1,911 + $350 + $700 ——————————————

$10,721

Even this figure is generous, but it is not $20,000. A lot of people are going to read that number and think he did twice the amount of good for these kids. If you can find ANY evidence of him spending $20,000, please show me or link to it. The link you directed us to doesn't say a word about that figure.

Thank you. Daeclan tha chef (talk) 05:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: Rather than replace the $20k figure with your original research, I replaced the text in question with "musical instruments, video game consoles, and other gifts", to bring it in line with the source. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Real question is why are you so bothered? You could have just simply said the opening sentence but it seems you have a vendetta against the artist "A lot of people are going to read that number and think he did twice the amount of good for these kids", and if he did that much for those kids whats the issue? KuyaBriBri made a good choice here, your original research is most likely lacking anyway. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 15:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because what does a page on wikipedia about a celebrity do it promotes them and this artist is notable he had multiple hit singles and has more coming his Career aint dead it just started --Topkek 19:40, 1 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Topkekin (talk • contribs)

No one is trying to delete a page about a notable artist, the page in question is about an (as yet) unmade album.Slatersteven (talk) 16:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

The tag was placed in error and I removed it yesterday. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Ahhh.Slatersteven (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Create Xxxtentacion

Create Xxxtentacion as:

#REDIRECT [[XXXTentacion]]
{{R from other capitalisation}}

Thanks, feminist (talk) 12:16, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Please add a date of death. Unknown Until Further Notice

Monday, June 18 2018 at 1:35PM PST Aarock1234 (talk) 20:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Not done at this time – Twitter is not a reliable source and there is no confirmed death. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

He's gone Okesupile (talk) 07:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

He's gone Okesupile (talk) 07:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

I do not want there to be any information removed, there is just info to add.

XXXTenacion was shot while in his car in Miami, Florida. According to TMZ he was shopping for motorcycles and had just gotten into his car when the shooter ran up to his vehicle and shot him. Witnesses say there was no pulse. Greg1928ory (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: No confirmed death yet. Terra ^(talk) 21:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Death LukasFuchtmann (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: No confirmed death. Terra ^(talk) 21:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

I do not want there to be any information removed, there is just info to add.

XXXTentacion passed away on June 18th 2018 from a gunshot wound. XXXTenacion was shot while in his car in Miami, Florida. According to TMZ he was shopping for motorcycles and had just gotten into his car when the shooter ran up to his vehicle and shot him. Witnesses found no pulse. Greg1928ory (talk) 21:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: No confirmed death. Terra ^(talk) 21:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Sukark (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Uhm, he dead

 Not done: No confirmed death. Terra ^(talk) 21:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Jpaquilina (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Death June 18th,2018 Cause of Death Gun Shot Wound Place of Death Florida

 Not done: No confirmed death. Terra ^(talk) 21:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

XXXTentacion passed away on June 18th 2018 from a gunshot wound. XXXTenacion was shot while in his car in Miami, Florida. According to TMZ he was shopping for motorcycles and had just gotten into his car when the shooter ran up to his vehicle and shot him. Witnesses found no pulse. Greg1928ory (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: No confirmed death. Terra ^(talk) 21:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

XXXTenacion was shot while in his car in Miami, Florida. According to TMZ he was shopping for motorcycles and had just gotten into his car when the shooter ran up to his vehicle and shot him. Witnesses found no pulse although his death is not confirmed. Greg1928ory (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Added as XXXTentacion#2018_shooting. Terra ^(talk) 21:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Death

Yo the dude is dead Nickpocol (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Dead Anonymousgurl99 (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

There is no confirmed death. --Terra ^(talk) 21:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Not confirmed. You aren't the reporters. dannymusiceditor ^oops 21:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind, police report says dead. RIP. dannymusiceditor ^oops 21:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

He is dead http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/18/xxxtentacion-shot-dead-miami — Preceding unsigned comment added by MVBoys2 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Even I am starting to see other news sources that they said he is confirmed dead.--Damirgraffiti (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Died June 18, 2018 due to shooting in Miami, Florida Outside a shopping center. 173.197.173.75 (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Terra ^(talk) 21:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Death

All of the sources reporting that's he's dead are NOT reliable sources. Please wait until an reliable source confirms or denies that's he's dead. Bang 🌑 22:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

TMZ is not preferred but is generally considered to be a reliable source. Other sources commonly considered reliable are already beginning to report it. If you'll quit spazzing out and reverting back to saying he's alive, editors could actually add those sources in. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not "spazzing" out. At the time I did the edits, there was no confirmation, now there is. Bang 🌑 22:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

No shit. That confirmation already existed while you were edit warring. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I was not intending to edit war. I only have two hands. I can't look at everything at once. Stop with your attitude towards me, would you please? Bang 🌑 22:13, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Can we please be a little more civil? Neilc314 (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

xxxtentacion

He isn't dead. He was in coma/trauma. No further information has been released. 7:01 p.m. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FBA0:8B60:8515:8F4D:55EF:6BC0 (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed dead as of 6:30 pm [1]. clpo13_(talk) 23:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

Please edit and add in that X has died on 18th June,2018 DaniellA1234567 (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Already done clpo13_(talk) 23:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018

XXX dead at only 20 years old. 2601:246:8000:1E6F:E5FD:CCBA:4578:E0A4 (talk) 23:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

•  Already done. Swarm ♠ 23:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

• XXXTentacionFebruary2018 (cropped).png

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot (talk) 23:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2018

Please add a date of death as of today June 16th 2018 Jahseh Onfroy also known as XXXTentacion was killed. Mahdisheerazie (talk) 00:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

•  Already done. Broadwaygenius (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

personal life and death section

Can we put this together? His death is part of his personal life.--Lirim | T 02:18, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

• I've put "personal life" between "career" and "death". Anyone is free to modify as they see fit. Swarm ♠ 03:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

He is still alive

He is in critical condition as of 10 50 midwestern time Brookekelie334 (talk) 02:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

He was decleared dead a couple of hours ago.--Lirim | T 02:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2018

remove: "Onfroy was reportedly leaving a motorcycle dealership in Deerfield Beach, Florida, on June 18, 2018, when he was shot. The suspects fled the scene. Initially reported to be in critical condition following the shooting, the Broward County Sheriff's Office later confirmed Onfroy's death."

replace with: Onfroy passed away on June 18, 2018 in Miami, Florida from a gunshot wound. Onfroy was reportedly leaving a motorcycle dealership in Deerfield Beach, Florida when he was shot. The suspects fled the scene. Initially reported to be in critical condition following the shooting, the Broward County Sheriff's Office later confirmed Onfroy's death. Greg1928ory (talk) 03:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: That section has been rewritten multiple times since this request was made, so there's no change to be made here. If you have a suggestion relative to the current wording of the article, please place a new request. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Death tributes

Somebody should add Big Sean https://twitter.com/BigSean/status/1008863465308590081 I can't as the article is protected or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.52.20 (talk) 12:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox image

Hello, I think we should discuss which image of the subject should be used in the infobox. XXXTentacionFebruary2018 (cropped).png, the current image used, has been nominated for deletion but will likely stay on the website because of its suitable Flickr license. The general "policy" is to use up to date images to best represent the subject of the article, however the subject has recently died so there will likely not be new images emerging, and we should think about which image would best represent him during his lifetime. What I mean here is, how for example Dr. Seuss is pictured in 1957 in the infobox (42 years before his death) despite newer images existing, because the image best represents him during his lifetime.

I say this because, in my personal and subjective opinion, Xxxtentacion.jpg is the clearest, most colour correct and in general, best image we have of the subject. I believe that XXXTentacion-MugShotDec2017-Cropped.png is too close up and dark (though brightness correction may help), and that the current image is too low resolution, and also similarly dark. I would like to see if others agree, or what your input may be. Thanks, Lazz_R 13:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Xxxtentacion.jpg is in my opinion the best.Lirim | T 13:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2018

You need to change XXXTENTACION’s death part because he was confirmed he’s in the hospital please change that as soon as possible so many people are confused. Hello124474 (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Provide a reliable Source.--Lirim | T 21:18, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Grammatical error under "Incidents and Concerts"

There is a line that reads "In October 2017, Stone confirmed that him and Onfroy had talked and the feud had been squashed."

This should say "he and Onfroy had talked", not "him and Onfroy". This needs to be corrected. Nikstick22 (talk) 23:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Done, thank you.--Lirim | T 23:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Recentism and over-detail:

The article seems to cover 2017-2018 events in extremely high detail. A lot of this could be trimmed and condensed, and to focus only on the most important details. Does the Drake feud need to be covered in such detail, including sentences saying that Drake liked a certain post on instagram?

The Controversies and Public image sections should also be integrated into the career section. Harizotoh9 (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

As the main contributor to this article and the reason its as long as it is (I've put over 20+ hours into this one article alone) I've mainly added the Instagram line to indicate that the feud was still implied to be ongoing months after it seemed to have stopped and the fact the liking of the post by Drake is very irregular due to Drake being a big name and the artist at the time barely having a hot 100 hit. I'm also going to request you don't trim the 2017-2018 section down due to the amount of time I've personally put into it that I'd hate to disappear (I'm sure you're empathic to the fact I've dedicated so much time into the article) and the fact that his career was so short that its not going to be expanded anytime soon anyway... Thanks for the input. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree with @Harizotoh9: that there is much intricate and unnecessary detail here. There are relevant policies and guidelines applicable here, such as WP:DUE and WP:RECENT. @CoughingCookieHeart: you are also exhibiting an early form of WP:OWN: the article content does not belong to you, this is a collaborative process where you have assigned a free license for what you have written, so that this community may critique and improve it. The main concern here is that we have a policy-compliant WP:BLP article, and not to document every mundane moment in every social media outlet. This man was known as a musician who recorded and released albums, and that needs to be a primary focus here. Yes, his public image factored greatly into his life, short as it was, but that public image can be condensed and summarized, just as any great film plot line may be condensed into 400-700 words. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26:, I don't know why you feel the need to be rude. You haven't even got an account yet you know so much about the site, it sends me very weary on why you immediately come to the defense but I won't speculate. I was just requesting that you respect the time and effort put into the page by me, of course its a collaborative process but considering I've put a good chunk (atleast 100 edits) into this. I'd love it if the trimming wasn't so excessive, his public image was reported on widely because he was known in his life as a controversial artist and that is clearly being shown in the articles about his death (constant talk about abuse allegations, attacking fans, his beef with Drake, etc etc.) I really don't know why people who literally never edit BLP pages feel the need to speak on BLP pages but I was just offering my input. There's no need to be rude, mean or spiteful towards me. Thank you. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I did not intend to be rude, and on review, I cannot find the slightest rudeness in my comment. I am sorry that you are offended, but I simply intended to give my critique of the content of the article as it stood. And I stand by that critique. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 05:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

CoughingCookieHeart, I appreciate the time and effort you put into improving our articles, but I strongly suggest you not be rude toward other contributors, and your comments about IP editors are off the mark. Let me add also that the things you are discussing in these posts suggest that you might need to take a more neutral position and make edits based on relevance and reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

In the 2018 (YouTube and "?" section, it says he had 5 million subscribers. According to his YouTube channel, it says he has 6.6 million subscribers 86.22.8.235 (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Done.--Lirim | T 18:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

[removed per WP:BLP] Richardziminsky (talk) 21:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Archiving mess-up

Just to clairify, I went to OneClickArchiver talk page to report this and found this. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• Weird. It’s working fine for me. Swarm ♠ 03:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2018

Fans have gone on memorials that have turned into riots, some staying peaceful, the main advertisements for these memorials is #LongLiveX 98.216.211.232 (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zingarese (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Crime

Here's something, now that we have a plethora of editors: it appears that the subject of this biography was charged with a slew of crimes including witness tampering and intimidation, domestic abuse, armed robbery and assault, etc. That entire "Legal issues and controversy" section is poorly written and confusing, and it seems if there are things missing. It needs to be rewritten and it needs to be made clear what happened to all the charges, and what the state of affairs was--he died while released but had yet to go trial? And I wonder if that shouldn't be in the lead, since it is so highly publicized. BTW given the flood of celebrity tweets, I found this insightful, but I suppose that's not for here. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Legacy section

Is there a reason the Legacy section is put before his Personal life in the center of the article? I have never seen this before on literally any WP:BIO article. 9³ (talk) 03:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request 2, 21 June 2018

The infobox says "Homicide by shooting" but this is not supported by any WP:RS and in fact cannot be: "Homicide" is a criminal charge that is adjudicated in a court of law, and this violates WP:BLPCRIME. Many "sources" of poor reliability are reporting on alleged "facts" in this case, and I do not think that we need to jump on the bandwagon of accusing people of "Homicide" when nobody has been arrested, charged, pleaded, or convicted of anything at all. Please change "Homicide by shooting" to "Gunshot wounds" as widely reported by news sources. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Technically, homicide can just mean the killing of another person. If anything, its inclusion in the |death_cause= parameter may be redundant rather than violating WP:BLPCRIME given it is not accusing anyone of a crime. The sources report that Onfroy died of gunshot wounds fired by someone else. That is homicide by definition regardless of whether it is legally prosecuted or even intentional. Specifying that it was homicide disambuguates the cause of death from having been a suicide, something about which Onfroy talked and rapped often. I think specifying homicide is due, but this is a minor issue and not really worth dispute. I just don't want us assuming that specifying homicide (especially when wikilinked) is a WP:BLPCRIME-violating criminal accusation. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 15:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, so now that a suspect is arrested and has been charged, what does that say about leveling a "cause of death" unequivocally as "homicide"? Seems to me that we'd be asked to draw a natural conclusion there, a conclusion I'd rather not approve in a WP:BLP. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Since homicide can simply mean killing another person, I do not think specifying that it was a homicide implies anything about the suspect, nor indeed of the legality of the homicide, since the information is pertaining to the cause of death and not the relationship between the suspect and the subject or the criminal liability of the event. Some may assume that connection, but that is not what would be explicitly stated or implicitly suggested in the information.

WP:BLPCRIME would be very relevant if we stated that the suspect committed a crime when no conviction has been established, but its relevance to simply stating the cause and manner of death of the subject is dubious at best. Should we suppress the entire claim of a shooting as indirectly suggesting that some suspect somewhere committed a crime for which we have no documented conviction? Of course not. On that topic, however, where WP:BLPCRIME may be more appropriate is in suppressing the name of the suspect in this article and the Shooting of XXXTentacion article as a potential violation. That, I think, is a more credible concern than simply stating that Onfroy died by the actions of another (i.e., homicide).

Lastly, I might as well mention that Onfroy's Wikidata entry states simply "homicide" as the "manner of death". —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 19:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, let's entertain the notion that the description is apt in this article. Which reliable secondary sources describe his death as "homicide"? I have looked through five or six; I found the sensationalist tabloid TMZ alone calling it "murder" and zero sources using the term "homicide". So how can you justify this description that's plainly just not even in the sources? 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

In fact, multiple reliable sources explicitly specify that Onfroy's death was a "murder" and other sources describe Onfroy as having been killed by someone else or otherwise obviously imply as much (Have you ever seen a suicide described as "a shooting" or being "gunned down"?), which is homicide by definition regardless of whether the actual term homicide is used. All of the aforementioned sources are currently cited in the Shooting of XXXTentacion article, as well, and that was not an exhaustive set. Beyond that, Refinery29 reported that the Broward County Sheriff's Department is considering it a "homicide", the Las Cruces Sun-News described it as "yet another homicide", and the Miami New Times detailed "the aftermath of the homicide".

Regardless, I think whether the word homicide itself is used in any of the sources is not relevant so long as they clearly describe a homicidal event, since the latter alone demonstrates that homicide is an uncontroversial classification of the manner of death. At that point, I would consider it to basically be close paraphrasing with a synonym. Were it not for my concerns about violating WP:BLPCRIME, the reliable source support for describing this as a "murder" is very strong even given it is an exceptional claim. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 04:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

picture

I'd like to ask why the picture was reverted back to the outdated mugshot when a perfectly good (and more recent) image was already being used. Imetral (talk) 22:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The quality of the other picture was tbh trash.--Lirim | T 22:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@Imetral: Because that one is about to be deleted as copyvio. Alexis Jazz (talk) 23:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Place of death

It is not made clear in the article whether Onfroy died in his car or in hospital. If it is the latter, the place of death should be changed to Pompano Beach, Florida. Lordtobi (✉) 07:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

• Newer reports state that he died in hospital, so I'm going bold. Lordtobi (✉) 17:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• @Magnolia677: I partially reverted your edit as it clearly introduced factual errors: Broward Health North, the hospital he was rushed to, and Riva Motorsports are located in Pompano (specifically, the Pompano Beach Highlands) rather than Deerfield, like early reports stated. You can easily verify this on the Riva's own website ([2]), Google Maps ([3]]) and several reliable sources, like the New York Times one I just inserted into the article. Please discuss here before making changes to the death location. Lordtobi (✉) 09:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Broward Health North is in Deerfield Beach. This was mentioned in the source I cited, and can be viewed on the hospital's website. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure why their website says so, but the hospital is clearly located south of the city border when viewed on a map. Our own article backs this up with several reliable sources. Lordtobi (✉) 09:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Okay I'll have to take back a portion of what I said. I was able to acquire a shot of the border line between the two citites ([4]) and BHN truly is in Deerfield. Riva, on the other hand, is located on the street that parallels with the border (Riva marked with a red dot), and while their website states that they are in Pompano Beach their visible location makes Deerfield a more apparent location. This raises the following questions: Where is Riva actually located? Is our article on BHN incorrect? Did Onfroy die on spot (technically Pompano per the website) or at hospital (Deerfield)? Lordtobi (✉) 09:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

As far as i know, all the sources claim he died in the nearest hospital, so he died in Deerfield. Openstreetmaps claims that Riva is still in Deerfiled. Maps are weird.--Lirim | T 10:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request, 21 June 2018

Per this edit, I am not sure that the phrase "Onfroy had impregnated a woman" is such a dignified way to indicate that he and his partner conceived a child. Furthermore, I am not sure the tabloid-quality sources being heavily cited in this article are reliable secondary sources such as can be admitted to a WP:BLP. I suggest changing the phrase to "Onfroy had conceived a child with an unidentified mother-to-be." 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Stickee (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request, 26 June 2018

This edit violates MOS:NUMNOTES. Please revert to read "peaking at numbers 1 and 18". Thank you! 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done — IVORK _Discuss 22:37, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

X's music video - June 28th, 2018

To posthumous releases, add X's music video for "SAD!", and possibly someone can research the depth of the video and add that to the submission.

Dpwaustin (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)dpwaustin

Which image should be used as the main image?

So currently this image is being used as the main image because it's more recent. But I think that this is better because it's a higher resolution and is more widespread and well-recognized. Thoughts? Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• One is more notable but I feel like the current image used could probably be cropped to feature his face more.CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 15:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I tried to discuss exactly this at Talk:XXXTentacion#Infobox image and got one response, I think it should be Xxxtentacion.jpg and you can see my justification there Lazz_R 01:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Lazz R: If you wait a little (few minutes to a few days.. can't say for sure) you won't have to make a decision. It'll have to be the mugshot. Alexis Jazz (talk) 01:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: So should we just change it now? Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 10:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

You can. I asked MiamiChildrensInitiative if they could ask the photographer to send the photo to OTRS (we can use the photo, be it in the infobox or in the article) but if that results in something it'll take a while. Alexis Jazz (talk) 10:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Could we please change the picture from a mugshot of him with his old look from 2016 to a more recent detailed photo? It does paint him posthumously in a negative light. Heres a link to a good photo https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjayganesha (talk • contribs) 03:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure how to change it and can't so could someone consider and change it as again, it paints him posthumously in a negative light here's a link again https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg

Imagine if for I don't know lets say actor Vince Vaughn you used his recent mugshot for his wiki photo. It just paints a negative image. He died when he was trying to turn his life around from the obviously horrid and inexcusable things he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjayganesha (talk • contribs) 03:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Image, in light of "Sad!" video

I realize the current image has the best quality, but in light of the music video for "Sad!", where X fights his old self (represented by the half brown and black dyed hair style) and his notes at the end, in which he claims to be changing for the better, it seems he would rather be remembered as the man he was when the this image was taken:

File:XXXTentacionFebruary2018 (cropped) (2).png

--2A02:C7D:892B:3D00:F0BE:7D73:C327:438A (talk) 01:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The lead image is supposed to be a visual representation of how the person looked in relevance towards the article. Since the article highlights his career and he did have that hairstyle for the majority of his career, it serves as a better lead picture than the one you are proposing. As well, this is his most familiar photo within the general public (used as promotional art frequently). Despite someone wanting to put one's past behind oneself, it doesn't nullify the relevance of the past. ^TOMASTOMAS_TOMAS 🆃🅰🅻🅺 15:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2018

Articlenerdd (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Merger of Murder of XXXTentacion to XXXTentacion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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There shouldn't be a separate article because the criteria at WP:SPLIT is not met. Also, the main article isn't even long enough so it wouldn't be pleasant to make readers to go to different articles just to read about the death. Proposing to merge Murder of XXXTentacion to XXXTentacion. The editor whose username is Z0 15:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Support

• Support As proposer. The editor whose username is Z0 15:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. There's not that much to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talk • contribs) 17:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support, as per WP:TOOBIG, the article is barely 10k, not enough to justify a split. Trim it down and merge the articles.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Nice4What (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. XXXTentacion's death has now received a lot of development and he is also the first artist in the 21st century to reach #1 posthumously. There is no denial of the significance of his death, the "Murder of XXXTentacion" article just needs to be expanded with more information rather than reactions. Nice4What (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. A little WP:TOOSOON to know if this needs a separate article. Not opposed to a split proposal in the future if more information builds up (which is fairly likely). Sock (tock talk) 21:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Neither article is particularly long enough to justify a split. Rockhead126 (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. People expect the information to be on the main XXXTentacion article, therefore, I think that we should completley merge the two articles. Jsraynault (talk) 23:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Event does not warrant a separate article. Most of the article is about reactions from uninvolved people that can be trimmed. -Zanhe (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Most of the article is about people on social media being sad. The relevant details we have can be put in the main article. As the years go by and there are legal proceedings, true crime documentaries and movies there might be a potential for a spin-off article but not now. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. per WP:NOTNEWS. A similar article could concivably be made up on the death of just about any moderately well known individual. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:29, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support Are you serious, his murder is part of his life which should be in one article. His murder is unreliable and short so we must merge these so people don't have to go looking for him then his murder article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WidgetFan1234 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. There is not enough content to justify a separate article. Demoxica 08:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. This should be a section within the bio article. No need for separate article. — Mr X ^☎️ 11:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. As his death is a part of his lifeline, this article should be merged with his article. That way, people can see his whole life without going to another article to read about his death. Socratides (talk) 18:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. It's not like X was a national hero or anything. He simply isn't that important for another article. NotMrTechno (talk) 22:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support - Merge into the main article. Too soon and stuff. -- Longhair\^talk 07:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support- His murder isn't really notable enough to warrant it's own article. Certainly not on the level of that of, say, John Lennon, or Tupac. -- MvBoys2, (User talk:MvBoys2|talk]]), —Preceding undated comment added 17:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support- The current article is not very long, and although it's notable, there's not enough detail on it to warrant a separate article, nor is the cause of death unknown which would require a longer page to discuss the possible causes. He was shot, and the person was caught soon after. aNode (discuss) 12:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Not enough material to split. Binksternet (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support, at least for now. Both articles don't have enough information to warrant a split, like others said before. For the people comparing his death to Biggie's, regardless of whenever Biggie's was more culturally significant, the backstory of X's murder is not nearly substantial enough to warrant it's own article, unlike Biggie's.^TOMASTOMAS_TOMAS 🆃🅰🅻🅺 03:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support no justification for split. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:301:15D7:5E4:5481:AD0:E7AA (talk) 02:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support reasons above SiliconRed (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support Not enough information on either articles. (Yanjipy) 17:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support merging into the parent Biography article. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 07:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose This article is quite long, and very detailed. Also, this is one of the most relevant murders in this year so far. Alex of Canada (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This article is compliant with WP:SPINOFF since it is a very high profile and notable case, and will likely continue to be covered extensively as the investigation progresses. It would be undue and foolish to only put the details of his death, the subsequent investigation, and possible future legal proceedings in his biography. THE DIAZ ^{userpage • talk • contribs} 19:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This article is likely to become bigger as the story develops. Let's see how much more new information will appear in the coming weeks and then decide. - N — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:485E:3200:293E:ABAF:88FE:C806 (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This article, in my opinion, is worthy of its own page. In the coming months/years there could be upcoming events surrounding his death that might provide people insight to what fully happened. Plus the article "Murder of XXXTentacion" would be easier to search and access separately. If it's decided that the page be merged or deleted then I believe the page "Murder of Tupac Shakur" should then be merged or deleted. NowIsntItTime (talk) 04:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose merge per The Diaz (talk · contribs)'s argument. (137.147.2.198 (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2018 (UTC))
• Oppose merge per The Diaz (talk · contribs)'s argument. (DovahDuck) (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC))
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs) Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 16:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs). We should keep it for now. Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs)'s argument. Aria1561 (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs).--Lirim | T 22:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs)'s argument Lmomjian (talk) 22:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's more than relevant and well sourced enough to have its own separate article. We already have separate articles about the murders of 2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G. And there will likely be more think pieces, reactions, and tributes to come. As well as details about the murder suspects themselves, and their court trials. If we merge now, we'll probably inevitably have to rr-split the article later. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose, at least for now. These pages (SoundCloud rap articles in general it seems..) are prone to vandalism and the high volume of edits would make it harder to spot vandalism in the rest of the article. Reconsider this in a month or two when the article is more stable, it will also be more clear if this should be a separate article or not. Alexis Jazz (talk) 02:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I am not aware how a high volume of edits might warrant splitting articles. I have seen thousands of high-profile articles with extremely high volumes of editing activity and this ain't one of them. For one thing, both this WP:BLP and its fork are semi-protected: that drastically cuts down the rate of edits and improves scrutiny of all of them. In fact you are reducing scrutiny when you retain this split, because it stands to reason that there are even fewer people watching two articles than just one in a central place. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Shorter articles are easier to maintain and check. I don't know if I would support splitting the article, but that's irrelevant because that's not the question. The split has already happened. The question now is if these articles should be merged, and I'm opposing that, at least for now. Why the rush? Take another look at this in a month or two and it'll be much clearer how big the lasting impact of this event is. Alexis Jazz (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
      • It would seem that the "rush" was less than 24 hours to split this article and create a new fork. That's the rush: some of us are campaigning to slow down a little bit, wait and see what develops. It wouldn't be "rushing" to re-merge the articles. Quite the opposite. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose, fends off vandalism and adding the article to the main one would make the main one have to become protected for longer periods. Hazax (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC) (strike sock). The editor whose username is Z0 07:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree this article should stay as it is due to the detail contained and the additional which it may well have added in due course. Cexycy (talk) 23:03, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs). The fact that this page is relatively small is not an argument to merge, it's an argument to flesh out this page. Creating such a large section on his death would be undue weight. Alduin2000 (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per the above. There are too many details about the death to justify fitting on this page. Davey2116 (talk) 05:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: The separate article now has 45 citations and is 18+ kilobytes. That article can only expand as the state of Florida prosecutes those responsible for X's death in the coming months. Arbor to SJ (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: This article should be separate from his core biography. This artist had many accomplishments in his life and purging the growing details of his murder into a single article takes away from his persona. Vwanweb (talk) 07:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: All lot of details are coming out on the shooting which is notable all its own. Kiwifist (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: It's not long because more details of the murder haven't been revealed yet. Just let it be it's own page... Bang 🌑 20:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: First mainstream rapper to be fatally shot since The Notorious B.I.G — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl4263 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC) — Rl4263 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Oppose: Probably not very detailed now, but when the police continue investigating this murder, the article will increase in length.Kevon kevono (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose merge per The Diaz (talk · contribs)'s argument. Harut111 (talk) 12:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs) 86.28.196.61 (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs). With more time the ‘Murder of XXXTentacion’ can be expanded into something similar to the articles about the murders of 2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G., as someone who likes to read Wikipedia articles, I would love to see a article going into further detail about Onfroy’s death.10.0.0.154 (talk) 01:46, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose The murder is significant enough that it warrants its own article. Auror Andrachome (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Auror Andrachome (talk · contribs) Plus, the "Murder of XXXTentacion" page is already big enough to stand on its own. LouisVuittonDevil17 (talk) 05:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - this is a premature proposal. Right now it appears significant - it can be reassessed in a year or two; it's not hurting anything now. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 16:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs). Significant event, other articles exist in the same subject. (i.e. 2Pac). MusicalKnight (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Diaz (talk · contribs). Unlike any events from Notorious Big, 2Pac and etc. 172.221.50.147 (talk) 04:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

General discussion

• Comment That this article is already quite long is not a good argument to oppose merging; rather, it should be an invitation to trim down the article, which is way over the top in its detail. As for this being "one of the most relevant murders in this year", well. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Maybe we should wait several days to see if news breaks on anything further regarding the shooting as its one of the most notable murders this year. If nothing happens then I do support a merger, yes.CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • This issue is, like what @Inter&anthro was saying, spinoff articles are not made as a preemptive measure before details arise. ^TOMASTOMAS_TOMAS 🆃🅰🅻🅺 04:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC) they're made after the details emerge.
• Comment I would wait too, we don't know how the situation will develop. The man was killed two days ago, keep that in mind.--Lirim | T 18:24, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Although I get why we should wait, I think that people wouldn't like having to go to two separate articles for this information, especially since people come to this page expecting the details into the murder of XXXTentacion. I completely support a merger. Jsraynault (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I don't know about other editors but I plan to consistently edit the page based around his murder with details on the investigation and the events at hand as theyre revealed more. I don't think we should bloat the page anymore than it possibly is. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 02:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • With all due respect, a significant fact of the "bloat" you accuse here is in the intricate detail in the "Personal life" section, which we have already discussed. For measurement, this section accounts for 2,398 words of prose. The complete article is 5,385 words. So almost half of this 87KB article on a deceased 20-year-old rapper with two albums is about his feuds and activity on social media. Perhaps this would be the part to spin off into a new article, unless it's actually all WP:UNDUE and deserves to be condensed drastically. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Are you damn serious, your logic makes zero sense. His death is his life. Simple as thatWidgetFan1234 (talk) 05:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Then all o yall saying "the story will develop" its been days now, case closed. The story is at its max potential so we better combine the now! WidgetFan1234 (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC) Talk to me if you are fundamentally a knob a need help to be clarified
    • @2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26: bruh stop following me and bringing up past conversations its weird, his personal life and controversies were well documented and he was near followed around, idk why youre so salty lmao CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @WidgetFan1234:, The story is definitely not at max potential considering the first arrest was just made. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: I will submit no opinion here, either for or against the merge; what I will say, though, is that I do recognize and respect the reasoning behind the divergent opinions. I will echo Lirim's reminder about it being a developing story. On the one hand, the incident itself has qualities of notability; on the other, the incident and death of the man is half of a week old (as of this post), and is therefore not mature history at this time. I do believe that if the murder of this person is notable in and of itself, then that will be made most clear in the coming weeks/months, and is not explicitly so at this point. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 03:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - don't want to be rude but the vast majority of oppose !voters are blatantly misinterpreting WP:SPINOFF. There must be coverage and content before you create and article, not that someone starts and article than argues that it needs to be kept because they say coverage will come. Most of the content and sources in this article are pretty run of the mill. Should we make an article titled Musical career of XXXTentacion or Artistic style of XXXTentacion? Per WP:BEANS I'll stop but I think it is pretty obvious that this content could serve fine in the main article. Inter&anthro (talk) 14:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not sure of the merger process but I hope the closer would consider the fact that many of the opposers are WP:SPAs while most of the supporters are experienced established editors with strong arguments. "This is not a vote". The editor whose username is Z0 13:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I added Support/Oppose bolded tags to add for consistency in the discussion, since there were a few that did not have them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomasTomasTomas (talk • contribs) 15:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
• The article might get bigger in the future and when that time comes, splitting could be justified but for now it's the split that is premature. The editor whose username is Z0 17:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Funeral Home Request Update

Funeral An open casket service for Onfroy took place at the BB&T Center on June 27 where fans were allowed to pay their respects.[101][102] His private funeral took place on June 28 where rappers Lil Uzi Vert, Lil Yachty and singer Erykah Badu were among the attendees.[103] He was entombed in a mausoleum at Gardens of Boca Raton Memorial Park, Boca Raton, Florida. Visitors are encouraged to submit a request to visit.[1][104] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sklamark (• contribs) 17:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC) Sklamark (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Sklamark (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Feuds page

I was thinking of adding a feuds page which will have Ski Mask, Trippie Redd and Rob Stone. Thats all, really. If you have any suggestions then comment now!

Squidwerd (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)SquidwerdSquidwerd (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Squidwerd: Sounds a tad indiscriminate and un-encyclopedic. Worse, many readers of this article are still healing from XXXTentacion's untimely demise. Why upset them more with talk of fussin' and feudin'? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:18, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Additions to XXXTentacion’s “Other names” section.

I wish to add the name MAKE OUT HILL and lildickgirl666 to XXXTentacion’s “Other names” section. MAKE OUT HILL was used as X’s username on Instagram and on Twitter . His Instagram and Twitter accounts are both verified. The second name mentioned, lildickgirl666, was used as a username for his gaming. This is evident on his YouTube videos. One instance was his video , when 30 seconds in you can see his username as lildickgirl666. This YouTube account is his official account. Please act on these alterations as soon as possible. Thank you. Kind Philosophy (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done. The other names section is for other names/pseudonyms used as an artist, not for listing a person's account names on various social media. Fish+Karate 12:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2018

change "Cause of death Gunshot wound" to "Cause of death Multiple gunshot wounds to the neck" Andyshort11 (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done We do not list things that specific in that infobox parameter. dannymusiceditor ^oops 23:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Change Header Name

I’m wondering you can change the header “XXXTentacion” to “XXXTENTACION”. He used XXXTENTACION on his music records, not XXXTentacion. Thank you. Kind Philosophy (talk) 00:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yawn. I'll let one of you MOS:NAME experts handle this. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: No, that's just a styling. Unless it's a true acronym, and each letter is pronounced separately, the spelling will stay as is. —C.Fred (talk) 00:27, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Mugshots

I am not a fan of mugshots in BLPs (which this still falls under BLP as a recent death) unless the subject is primarily known for a criminal career or an especially notorious crime. They are almost always WP:UNDUE and have the effect of casting the subject in a negative light. This article has two which is grossly UNDUE. I strongly suggest that both be removed. See also WP:MUG. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

The subject had used the mugshot as a promotional photograph multiple times, as the cover art for "Look at Me" and included on "What in XXXTarnation", so this may be considered an exception. The only non-mugshot image has been nominated for deletion, so there is a chance we may not have a choice. Lazz_R 16:00, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

The biggest part of this article is the allegations around his alledged crimes and every single article based around his death mentions it, the subject also used the mugshot as a promotional photograph so it obviously wasn't something he saw distaste with.CoughingCookieHeart (talk)

Ok, that's a fair point. But we don't need two mugshots. Use the one he employed for PR and get rid of the 2nd. And the caption of the one we keep should mention that he used it for promotional purposes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah im not going the read all the paragraphs above but could we please change the picture from a mugshot of him with his old look from 2016 to a more recent detailed photo? It does paint him posthumously in a negative light. Heres a link to a good photo https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjayganesha (talk • contribs) 03:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure how to change it and can't so could someone consider and change it as again, it paints him posthumously in a negative light here's a link again https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg

Imagine if for I don't know lets say actor Vince Vaughn you used his recent mugshot for his wiki photo. It just paints a negative image. He died when he was trying to turn his life around from the obviously horrid and inexcusable things he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjayganesha (talk • contribs) 03:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree. We don’t post Bill Gates mugshot, though it is commonly known. I find https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg to be much more appropriate. Genetikbliss (talk) 19:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

i think the mugshot photo should be taken off and replaced with a more appropriate image Arranfrostt (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Replace the photo with https://urbanislandz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/XXXTentacion-blue-hair.jpg please. Kind Philosophy (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the mugshot of him is not a fitting photo, now that he is deceased. I believe a more up to date one, with his blue hair would be more fitting. https://newonce.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Zrzut-ekranu-2018-05-11-o-11.25.26-768x510.png Feels so deeply (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Mughsots are Public Domain, these pictures have licenses.--Lirim | Talk 13:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2018

most of this information surrounding his crimes is either exaggerated or wrong. i knew him and his girlfriend both at the time of the accusation and what really happened is incredibly different to what is on here, also, most of the information surrounding his music is also wrong. Although his first few songs that he released to the public were very "loud and aggressive", you'll find most of his songs prior to march 2017 are very mellow and chilled out. I don't deny that he did release 3 or 4 loud songs after that, but that's nothing to compare to the amount of relaxed songs he made. Jahseh also supported several charities for depression. It is not mentioned very well in the page that after the death of his close friend Jocelyn Amparo Flores (the song Jocelyn Flores is about her, I'm sue you know), he became a big voice for many children/teens or just people in general that have depression. In one of the last live videos before his death, he says that "worst comes to worst" he dies a tragic death, but before he died, he wanted to change the lives of at least 5 million young people, and IM sure he did just that.

PLEASE take these things into consideration, and please allow me to edit the page. Thank you 101.164.178.66 (talk) 10:10, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the changes you want to be made. It is not possible for individual users to be granted permission to edit a semi-protected article. You will be able to edit this article without restriction four days after you register a Wikipedia account if you make at least 10 constructive edits to other articles. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

facts... that's all true☺ Kiddish Pineapple (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

'Lil Pump' and 'Smokepurpp' should be added to associated acts due to the late rapper having close associations with the two during his career. (proof of their close affiliation is shown on news articles, youtube videos, etc.) Meme Man Meme (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

You have to provide the sources, there's no assigned people here who'll go and find the sources for you. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)