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So, you have objection to me pasting the whole passage but when the User : Redtigerxyz pastes a whole passage ... you consider that fine ... that is double standards.
Removed from "Vedas" section
"The Bala Kanda of Ramayana declares that the riverGanges was born at the feet of Vishnu and thus was sacred. When the riverGanges came to earth, in order to ensure that humans do not become immortal by coming into contact with the sacred and divine water, Shiva took the riverGanges on his head with great devotion towards Vishnu, the Supreme God. Thus, the water of riverGanges lost its ability to make people immortal but continues to be considered sacred in its ability to wash away sins."
The second sentence doesn't make any sense grammatically, but I can't figure out what it's trying to say. The sentence should end after 'God'—or the sentence should begin with 'Vishnu', eliminating 'In other traditions of Hinduism'. Or? ~ priyanathtalk04:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello dear friend Gizza, I am an American non-Hindu interested in all schools of Vedanta and Yoga philosophy. Please check out the following links which I found particularly interesting in educating myself about Hinduism:
I can understand your imaginations about Shankara trying to unite Hindus. But with a little more in-depth study, you will see that Vaishnavism is inclusive monotheism as supposed to free-for-all Hinduism, or actually Buddhism + soft-polytheism, as proposed by Shankara. In fact, Advaita divides Hindus into 5 sects, plus one more of his own - Smartism. Something to think about! That said, from your profile it seems as if you are a Hindu. It makes me wonder why you'd mock Vishnu as "four-armed god" all over the place - that's a jihadist approach. Secondly, what you call here as deities (divine forms of God), you edit them as "devas" (as demigods, angels, etc.) elsewhere which is also surprising. Just my 2 cents - be well and edit with NPOV. ADvaitaFan (talk) 06:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Please Do Not Bring Emotions in the way of Scholarship
The article written on the Hindu Diety Vishnu is asscociated with certain inconsistancies with the scriptural evidence. First of all, the vedic scriptures viz. Vedas, 11 Upanishads and vedanta sutras, even Bhagawat Gita doesn't acknowledge of the supremacy of Vishnu. It is the Brahman who is accepted as the supreme in Purva and Uttara Mimamsas and all the 11 principal Upanishads consider the formless inexpressible conscious supreme to be Brahman. Auhority as great as Brihadaranyaka Upanishad has established the supremacy of Brahman.
Erroneous statement to say the least. Bhagavad Gita infact clearly admits supremacy of Vishnu alias Krishna. Krishna clearly says He is Purushottama and all other gods are inferior to Him. Upanishads and Vedas use the words Brahman etc. to refer to Narayana alias Vishnu. Narayana Sukta clearly says Sa Brahma, Sa Indra etc. Visvakarma Sukta says only ONE GOd possesses the names of all gods. So Brahman infact refers to Vishnu alias Narayana.
Dieties are considered inferior to Brahman, they are more or less like angels in the semetic religions. In Rig Veda Indra is considered to be the supreme diety. And diety Vishnu was first identified in vedic literature to be the Sun God.
Indra is in fact no where near supreme deity. Neither is Rudra. This is clear from the following mantra. NOTICE carefully that the following verse does NOT mention Vishnu anywhere at all, but mentions your Indra, Rudra etc. Could it be that Vishnu is infact referred as Savitar, Purusha, Visvakarma etc. in Rig Veda.
ná yásyéndro váruNo ná mitró vratám aryamaá ná minánti rudráH
naáraatayas tám idáM svastí huvé deváM savitaáraM námobhiH
Him whose high law not Varuna nor Indra, not Mitra, Aryaman, nor Rudra breaketh, Nor evil-hearted fiends, here for my welfare him I invoke, God Savitar, with worship.(Rig Veda 2.038.09)
I invite to this place, with reverential salutations, for my good, that divine Savita, whose functions neither Indra, nor Varun.a, nor Mitra nor Aryaman nor Rudra nor the enemies (of the gods), impede. (Rig Veda 2.038.09)
Vishnu is more than merely some Sun god of Vedas. Rid Veda is quite explicit about this.
Him whose three places that are filled with sweetness, imperishable, joy as it may list them, Who verily alone upholds the threefold, the earth, the heaven, and all living creatures.(Rigveda 1:154:4)[1]
He who presents (offering) to Viṣṇu, the ancient, the creator, the recent, the self-born; he who celebrates the great birth of that mighty one; he verily possessed of abundance, attains (the station) that is to be sought (by all). (Rigveda 1:156:2) (page 98) [2]
No being that is or that has been born, divine Viṣṇu, has attained the utmost limit of thy magnitude, by which thou hast upheld the vast and beautiful heaven, and sustained the eastern horizon of Earth.(Rigveda 7:99:2) (page 196) [3]
In Srimad Bhagawat Gita, chapter 10--Krishna says " I am Vishnu amongst the 12 adityas,this means Vishnu is the best amongst 12 Suns. This shows that even Gita too acknowledges that Vishnu is a Sun God.
This does NOT bring down the status of Vishnu in any way, just as Krishna taking avatara among humans does NOT make Him mere human being.
Since no where in vedic literature Sun God is held supreme so supremacy of Vishnu cannot cited as a Vedic scriptural evidence. A particular sect called Vaishnava of Hinduism accepts Vishnu to be the supreme, so the the encyclopedia entry should be rewritten as "Vishnu is the supreme diety of Vaishnava sect of Hinduism" and not Hinduism as a whole.
Your claims are proven false from Rig Veda verses only.
No being that is or that has been born, divine Viṣṇu, has attained the utmost limit of thy magnitude, by which thou hast upheld the vast and beautiful heaven, and sustained the eastern horizon of Earth.(Rigveda 7:99:2) (page 196) [4]
Vishnu is mentioned as Padmanava in puranas and not in Vedic scripture, Padmanava refers to Vishwakarma. Puranas were written about 2000 years later to the vedic scriptures. Show me in any principal Upanishad, Vedas or Vedanta sutras Vishnu to be padmanava.
Irresponsible remarks by some of the users, on Wikipedia organization is unfortunate and shows the lack of scholarship on the subject.
Articles should be written by Scholars of the respective field.
Sevenseas (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Sevenseas
Vishvakarma is indeed Vishnu is proven from Purushna Sukta, which clearly mentions Purusha, who is referred as Vishvakarman, who in turn is referred as
"hreeshca te lakshmeeshca patnyau" (hreeshca) Hree and (lakshmishca) Laskhmi are (patnyau) wives (te) to you. (Taittiriya Aranyaka (3:13:2))
Sevenseas, Vishnu is already described in the article as the supreme God in Vaishnavism so I don't understand your comment.
Brihadaranyakopanishad embellished the Brahman with the term like Aja,Abhayam etc.Now see
the Viswakarma suktha [10-82-6]ajasya nābhā vadhyeka marpitaṃ yasmin viśvāni bhuvanāni tasthuḥ || Ajasyanabha[It rested set upon the Unborn's navel, from where all the cosmos existing.] It is a beautiful poetic expression or a Mystic language [Samadhi bhasha]to represent the cosmic creation. The imagery of padma and kamala in Padmanabha must have been introduced due to viswakarmas similarity with soorya narayana who is the abode of brahma,vishnu Siva. Any way in the 2nd phase of the vedic period the War god had to accept the supremacy of Creator god who in later puranic period got his status diminished. A close reading in between these lines will reveal the degradation of creative working class of India.Durgaviswakarman (talk) 12:41, 2
November 2008 (UTC)
Spelling
Is there any reason the spelling are not phonetic? It is not dasavatar but dashavatar, similarly it is not Shankara but Shankar. You cannot take the same alphabet and write it anyhow. There is a tendency in some Sanskrit scholars to use spellings which reflect their regional pronounciations and it is not correct. By all means say Tamil is Thamil (if you lie) but leave Sanskrit words alone.
The section "in the upanishads" seems to state that the Upanishads were composed in 5000 BC. This contradicts the Upanishad article, and every other dating I have ever seen for the Upanishads. While I would be happy to learn that the Upanishads are of such a grand antiquity, I am quite dubious of the claim. Citations needed! 216.158.161.32 (talk) 14:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Viswakarma Suktha (Rig 10-81,82)is singing about Viswakarma as Padmanabha, not Vishnu. This misconception had been propogated by Vaishnavites from the second revivalism of Hinduism. The same concept, that is Viswakarma as Padmanabha can be seen in 2nd anuvaka of purusha suktha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.140.85 (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Viswakarma is indeed Vishnu is proven by your own claim. Since Purusha Sukta, second anuvaka clearly refers to Vishvakarma and Purusha Sukta (second anuvaka) in Taittiriya Aranyaka (3:13:2) refers to this Visvakarma as
"hreeshca te lakshmeeshca patnyau"
(hreeshca) Hree and (lakshmishca) Laskhmi are (patnyau) wives (te) to you.
Nowhere in Veda one can see Lakshmy as the consort of Vishnu. Whereas the sound HREE stands for Sakthy who is the wife of Siva. Had the Vedic Rsi included the concepts of Purusha suktha and Viswakarma sukta in the five hymns[vedic] dedicated to vishnu ,the vaishnavapuranics whould not face this much of mental struggle . The story like Palazhy mandhan[milk sea churning, which describing vishnu's marriage with lakshmy] was sucessfuly created a false impression among hindus, ie, purusha is visnu.The concept like Brahma emerging from the navel of vishnu does not have any vedic status and is a later puranic imagery influenced from the hymns like
aja asya nabha madyekamarpitham yasmin - viswakarma suktham
tasya tvostha vidhatha roopameth that purushasya visvam- purusha sukthm
If Vishu is Purusha he should have perform sarvamedha instead of asking brahma to do this.These are all the problem of interpreting vedas on basis of puranas with vested interests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.9.119 (talk) 21:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Slight modification to first paragraph
The paragraph is slightly biased in its tone. While it's the view of vaisnavas to translate gita and taittiriya samhita as exalting vishnu, it is not clear (nor are there citations) that rigveda also suggest similarly. Also, too many citations for the same translation of taittiriya samhita; but none of others (gita, rgveda). leaflord (talk) 13:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Tirumala Venkateswara Temple]]. Pavan 04:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Please participate in the RFC discussion of whether Thondaiman has built the Tirumala Temple. Pavan 04:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
/* In the Brahmanas */
Do not remove this. I have given references.
However this notion is not completely correct as per the following verses, which shows Rig Veda does recognize one or more gods being subject to other god(s).
Him whose high law not Varuna nor Indra, not Mitra, Aryaman, nor Rudra breaketh, Nor evil-hearted fiends, here for my welfare him I invoke, God Savitar, with worship.(Rigveda 2.038.09) [5][6]
I invite to this place, with reverential salutations, for my good, that divine Savita, whose functions neither Indra, nor Varun.a, nor Mitra nor Aryaman nor Rudra nor the enemies (of the gods), impede. (Rigveda 2.038.09)[7][8]
The following verse suggests Rudra gaining his strength from worship of Viṣṇu.
With offerings I propitiate the branches of this swift-moving God, the bounteous Visnu. Hence Rudra gained his Rudra-strength: O Asvins, ye sought the house that hath celestial viands.(Rigveda 7.040.05)[9][10]—Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.230.19.43 (talk) 06:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Weird Sanskrit phrase
The article says:
An early commentator on the Vedas, Yaska, in his Nirukta, defines Vishnu as vishnu vishateh "one who enters everywhere", and yad vishito bhavati taddjwojopwjepq, "that which is free from fetters and bondages is Vishnu".[citation needed]
The last word, "taddjwojopwjepq", is clearly not Sanskrit. It seems to be gibberish, possibly from an unknown auto-Sanskrit-translator thingy. Or it might be vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.41.161 (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
The "Krishna" avatar line is clearly incomplete, and I don't know enough of the subject to edit it.
Please try to finish the sentence. 151.64.33.180 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Lead sentence of the article
The lead sentence of the article currently reads: "Vishnu is the true Supreme Being in Hinduism and He is acurately portrayed as God in Vaishnavism...". Vishnu is not the only "Supreme God" in Hinduism. Shaivas consider Lord Shiva as the Supreme Being and Shaktas consider Shakti as the Supreme Being. This first sentence is a statement of sale. It goes against Wikipedia policy. Vishnu is a popular Hindu deity like many others such as Shiva, Shakti, Ganesha, Surya and Kartikeya. I am modifying the lead sentence to correctly represent this. Samenewguy (talk) 02:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
"Step forth with wider stride, my comrade Visnu; make room, Dyaus, for the leaping of the lightning.Let us slay Vrtra, let us free the rivers let them flow loosed at the command of Indra" (Rigveda 8:89:12)
The article lists the above verse from sacred-texts website. Allegedly this translation is provided by Griffith according to sacred-texts website.
I prove that Rigveda 8:89:12 is NON-EXISTENT and a modern forgery of unscrupulous elements.
1 Sacred-texts Sanskrit verses
If we check the actual Sanskrit verses in the same website (http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv08089.htm), the corresponding Mandala and 89th chapter contains ONLY SEVEN SANSKRIT VERSES.
2 Griffith's translation from flaez.ch
So I cross checked with other websites. The following website gives Griffith's translation of the same verses.
The above document clearly shows ONLY SEVEN verses.
This is a clear case of forgery. I request the admin and/or mods to remove the forged verse or provide proper reference if such a verse does exist.
This is very old, but just to clear this up, the numbering in the later parts of Book 8 is wrong in Griffith's translation. He has removed the semi-canonical Vālakhilya hymns (8.49 to 8.59) and then renumbered all the other hymns rather than keeping the original numbering, which is very annoying. So Griffith's 8.89 is actually 8.100 in the proper order. Which, just to stir the pot, is suspected of being a later interpolation... Megalophias (talk) 19:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Assessment comment
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Vishnu/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
this Vishnu page is appearing,when searching Sridhar. ofcourse, Sridhar is one of thousands of Vishnu names. Vishnu is popular by Vishnu name only. I was searching foor ditector Sridhar and came to this page. please make necessary technical changes.203.199.178.160 (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)vinaysince57
Last edited at 11:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
Substituted at 20:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Removal of images
Vishnu,Chola dynasty, 12th-13th century,Tanjore, Tamil Nadu,India - Removed broken/incomplete img; attributes like chakra, gada missing; the older Coimbatore img is from the same school (see in the second image)
Coimbatore image
Why should we images of two Tamil temples. Ranganatha is enough.
Why have a panorama of Ranganatha, why the temple can be represented by a normal image? There is no panoramas of temples on other deity articles.
Is there some reason why so many sources are incomplete? For example this lead rewrite cites "Flood (1996) p. 17" for the footnotes for the first time which remain today? Who is Flood and what was the book written in 1996? There's a number of hyperlinked footnotes that go nowhere. Just putting down an author and a year is not sufficient. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
How in the world did you know that? I spent almost a half hour going over diff and I found that one random edit that throws that source out there without any context. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Have used that and other Flood references before on other Hinduism pages.
Btw, the bibliographic information for Vitter 2010; Jones, 2004, and Mittal 2005 can be found in the Reference section of Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam article. Again haven't checked if the sources support the accompanying text.
Finally regarding this removal: Wilson is Horace Hayman Wilson, and while his translations of Rigveda and other Sanskrit texts are somewhat freewheeling, they are not fringe. I am fine with your removal though, since the text you deleted was original research/arguments based on primary sources, and such an interpretation would need secondary sources in order to be included. Abecedare (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Sudarshan Chakra, Conch shell (Paanchajanya), Garuda, and the Mantra do not belong to Vishnu, they are all Krishna's
Blunder in the box provided with all the info. The mantra 'Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya' does not invoke Vishnu, it invokes Krishna ('Vaasudeva' means 'son of Vasudeva', in other words, Krishna). Similarly, the controller of the Sudarshan Chakra, Garuda, and the shell (Paanchjanya) is not Vishnu, but Krishna. When Rama can be considered distinct from Vishnu (despite being a human incarnation), then why not Krishna? Krishna is at a level much higher than Vishnu. Unlike the other incarnations, when Krishna disappeared from the mortal world, He remained and returned in His original form to His abode, and DID NOT go back to Vishnu. For those who don't know, Goloka (heavenly abode of Krishna) is transcendently at a much superior level to Vaikunth (Vishnu's abode). When the avatar of Rama ended, he went to Vaikunth in his original Vishnu form. But not Krishna. So stop exchanging identities between Gods. What is Krishna's is Krishna's. No way does it belong to Vishnu. 59.184.179.53 (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I think one can not dictate Gods ways with rational arguments. From my side I understand that Krishna is Vishnu's Avatar and I have no issues with whether an avatar 'goes back' or not. The controller of Sudarshan Chakra, Garuda and Panchajanya is Vishnu as per my understanding and therefore saying that these are not Vishnu's makes no sense irrespective of whether Krishna controls as eventually Krishna is an Avatar of Vishnu. How Goloka is much superior Vaikuntha beats me but I am really ok with anything.Thisthat2011 (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Mythologically, there is no difference between Vishnu and Krishna. Sudarshan Chakra, Conch shell (Paanchajanya), Garuda, and the Mantra, all of these belong to Vishnu as well as Krishna. In Dhyan Mantra of Shree Vishnu :
"Aum dhyeyah sada Sabitrimandalamadhyavarti Narayanah sarasijasana-sannibishtah|
keyuravan kanakakundalavan kiritihari hiranmayavapudhrita shankhachakrah||"
So this evidence clearly proves that Shankha and chakra is associated with Lord Vishnu and Vishnu & Narayana are identical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigved.bharadwaj (talk • contribs) 11:38, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
NARAYANA AND VISHNU
Narayana is a post vedic concept. Manusmrithi identified him as Hiranyagharbha .Sri suktham is a later addition to rig veda .However Lakshmy mentioned once in the rig veda as the one who resides in Vac.[rg 10-71-4] whereas Pritvi/Bhudevi is the consort of Dyove .According to yajurveda creation myth Viswakarma prajapathy incarnated as cosmic Boar to elevate her from the abbys of water[Krishna y veda 7-1-5].Interestingly the last stanza of Narayana suktham itself revealing that he is the aboard of Brahma,Vishnu,Siva,Indra,and Akshara.Hence Vishnu is different from Narayana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.117.109 (talk) 19:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Rigved Bharadwaj and Thisthat2011. The person who has mentioned about the blunder has not provided any citation to prove their claims. Here are 3 simple examples to say that Krishna and Vishnu are one and the same:
1. I have observed in Mahabharata that Krishna is many a time identified with Vishnu or his previous avatars. When Bheeshma is lying on the bed of arrows, he tells Yudhishthira that Vishnu is the supreme God, and Krishna does not disagree. In fact, Krishna listens to the complete Divyasahastranamastotra.
2. Swami A.C Bhaktivedanta of ISKCON, who in all his works mentioned Krishna as the supreme God, also called Vishnu as the supreme God. ("In the Rig Veda (1.22.20) the mantra is om tad vishnoh paramam padam sada pashyanti surayah ("The demigods are always looking to that supreme abode of Vishnu"). The whole Vedic process, therefore, is to understand Lord Vishnu, and any scripture is directly or indirectly chanting the glories of the Supreme Lord, Vishnu." [11]).
3. Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, whose teachings form the core beliefs of the followers of ISKCON, himself identified Krishna with Ranganatha (Vishnu), an older deity. He was so full of happiness when he saw Ranganatha in Shreerangam that he fainted in ecstasy (you can verify this by looking for ISKCON's online magazine's article on Srirangam). According to ISKCON, Vishnu, Rama, etc. are forms taken by Krishna.
About Rama being identified as an entity separate from Vishnu - Rama is known from Ramayana, which identifies him as Vishnu himself. What more evidence do we need? Raghav Sharman (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is primarily a Gaudiya tradition to talk of Krishna as the main deity but this always seemed like a misunderstanding. The teaching is generally that Krishna is the most perfect embodiment of Godhead (Narayana/Vishnu) and hence worshiped over Vishnu. This is where they choose the translation 'all attractive' instead of 'dark blue/black'. That occasionally gets extrapolated so that ISKCON monks have told me that Krishna isn't an avatar of Vishnu, but that Vishnu emanates from Krishna. It's actually pretty easy to get that impression from reading the Bhagavad-gita which does not (to my recollection) mention Vishnu at all when describing Krishna in his terrifying universal form (or at anywhere else?). Looking at vaishnav tattva system Tattvas_in_Gaudiya_Vaishnavism also gives the impression of Krishna as the source of Vishnu, though we all know that puranic systems like this often have a sectarian bias. Either way, conch and discus are Vishnu's. Even Sesha's supposed incarnation as Patañjali is described sankacakrasi (with a conch and discus) is the Shankara poem.
My question becomes this: Should the article describe Vishnu as the svayam bhagavan of Vaishnavism when there are clearly many Vaishnav groups who identify Krishna alone as Svayam Bhagavan and do not in any way revere Vishnu/Narayana with the title of svayam bhagavan. This is also true (I believe) among some Ramanandis, but obviously with Rama instead of Vishnu (although they might use the term iṣṭa devatā instead of svayam. Would it be safer to just say "Vishnu and his avatars are svayam bhagavans to various vaishnav sects." or just to remove the svayam bhagavan part of the statement entirely? Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 08:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
@Capitals00: With this edit, you added the claim "Similarities between Vishnu and Ancient Egyptian God Horus have been noted by James Freeman Clarke", with page 247 by Clarke as support. Here is page 247, and I wonder which sentence you are interpreting as supporting your summary? That page is simply stating, "Egyptians had a triad of deities just like the Hindus and the Persians", isn't it? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:38, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Largest and wealthiest
I've removed this 'mine is bigger than yours' rubbish, which was added by Anup Ramakrishnan with accusations of vandalism toward User:Ms Sarah Welch and threats of reporting to ANI:
The Angkor Wat, dedicated to Vishnu, is the largest existing Temple in the world; it is the largest religious structure ever built anywhere in recorded history; and with 6 million to 10 million blocks of sandstone, each weighing 1.5 tons on average, it is by far the largest stone structure ever built anywhere in recorded history
The Padmanabhaswamy dedicated to Vishnu. The temple dates back to before the Sangam period and is believed to be the wealthiest place of worship in the world, with assets of gold and precious stones potentially estimated to be worth trillions of dollars.
ad 1: The source says "The complex was built to honor the Hindu god Vishnu, but 14th-century leaders converted the site into a Buddhist temple." So, it's not dedicated (anymore) to Vishnu. Nor does it say that it is the largest existing temple etc.
ad 2: "millions, may be billions of rupees worth of jewels and gold inside." 1,000,000,000 rupees is 15,000 dollar.
ad 3: "Padmanabhaswamy was the tutelary deity of the Ay kings (whose ancestry goes back to the Tamil Sangam age)". I won't bother to look-up the rest of the sources...
@JJ: Indeed. The old version of this article had "trillions of dollars", which was just amazing OR. FWIW, $ 15,000 ~ INR 1,000,000 (some inadvertent zeros off in @JJ's comment; see this). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
@Anup Ramakrishnan: The original claim was a plural, "trillions" of dollars, which remains an amazing OR. The Forbes article is an interesting piece, yet it too includes the admission that the secret vault has not been opened yet. Jim Dobson's title is attention grabbing, but he notes later in his article that the opened vaults are valued at $22 billion. Wikipedia articles attempt to summarize the mainstream estimates, or ranges, not the extremes on either side, for NPOV reasons. We should not be pushing one or the other sensational estimate. The art in the temple's vault is of significant scholarly value and notable, but let us wait for peer reviewed scholarly work to emerge on specifics. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
discussing the description of Vishnu as "one of the principal deities of hinduism and the supreme being in vaishnava tradition"
Frankly,there are numerous sources to back up this view.If anyone is opposed to this opinion,please provide reliable sources to back up your view,stating the reasons as to why the description should read anything less. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.201.105.139 (talk) 11:45, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
@117.201.99.155: / @117.201.*.*: Please don't edit war or remove reliable sources. The Brahma on lotus from navel is already in the Puranas section, why repeat it? Similarly, why are you generalizing Madhvacharya's theology (see the source), deleting clarification and reliable sources? Please explain. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
please point out which sources have I been removing.I have simply added stuff,not removed any.please visit the revision history before making a wrong statement.the description that I added,had more than brahma's birth.But ok,if you insist,i will simply add the rest.you could have done the same yourself,instead of deleting the whole passage.As far as edit war is concerned,I haven't interfered in your edits,but you've been disrupting mine.ergo,I haven't been edit warring.
I see what the fuss is about.Yes,when I undid one of ms welch' edits,a portion got removed.The undo was meant to add referenced content,not remove any.peace! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.201.99.155 (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
etymology section
The etymology section has been pruned badly and the present content fails to make sense.It simply states that Vishnu enters everywhere.This is vague and suggests merely a timeless space traveler.To improve upon this,I added reference to show he doesn't just enter the universe,in Bhagavad gita,he creates and enters as a life force and the supreme soul.This is central to the vaishnava pov.Ms sarah welch,you again disapproved of this edit and edited it to be a part of a dissolution theory(with proportionately mentioning Shaivate view-a balanced job,no doubt) but again made the etymology almost meaningless.I see you have been working hard on the shiva article,and improved it to reflect that shiva is the creator besides being preserver in the lead itself,although its a sectoral theme-only the shaivates hold it.So I urge you to take an unbiased view and not "weed out" fundamental elements from Vishnu article,and if possible,improve upon it.
One more thing is,editing out portions from the early part of the article and posting it in later parts only ensure that most readers never read it.While detailed discussions are not integral to introduction and etymology,a brief statement is harmless and an improvement.Many of the previous editors have faced issues with your edits and reverts and you have been working with another editor in tandem,who frequently steps in to take you side.this doesn't seem right or helpful.I neither have the time nor energy to debate every edit with you,and you seem to discredit every referenced addition I make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.201.98.21 (talk) 05:43, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
@117.201.98.21: Etymology is a study of the origin of words and how their meanings have changed over history. Etymology is not definition or description, or assertions such as "X enters everywhere". What you keep adding is generic information, which is not etymology of the word "Vishnu", leave aside the WP:Due, WP:RS and WP:WWIN concerns. Further, please improve your formatting... there should be a gap between a full stop and the next sentence, etc. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to wikipedia. Please see WP:V and WP:RS content guidelines, wikipedia is not a blog, wiki content must be verifiable in reliable sources along with meeting other requirements. Your suggestions that identify WP:RS would be welcome. Thank you. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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There are many, like "Om hariye namaha", "Om Kaeshavaaya namaha", "Om Shreedharaaya namaha" etc. How many can we add to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.76.56.114 (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Dark is associated with black
In the last paragraph of the lead, we have, "In Hindu iconography, Vishnu is usually depicted as having a dark, or pale blue complexion and having four arms". I want it changed to, "In Hindu iconography, Vishnu is usually depicted as having a pale or dark blue complexion and having four arms", as it now seems to mean that He has a dark/black complexion which is inaccurate. I am unable to edit it myself as the article is locked for editing and so, I request those who can edit it to do the needful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.76.56.114 (talk) 16:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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The top of the article, under the heading, has an extra ',' (comma) that is not meant to be there. In the source code, I believe that it is caused by the comma at the end of the line :,
Is there a scriptural basis for this? The Puranas cited to support this claim (Agni, Garuda, Bhagavata) do not list 10 avatars. This number seems to come from from a commentary on the Garuda Purana. Has anyone verified the citations themselves? Carlduff (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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श्री विष्णु हिन्दू में सबसे महत्वपूर्ण देवता हैं और भारत में मैं इस पृष्ठ को संपादित करना चाहूंगा ताकि मैं मंदिरों पर जानकारी अपडेट कर सकूं और श्री विष्णु नाम से पहले श्री को जोड़ सकूं। भगवान विष्णु3 (talk) 12:07, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Merge Thirumal into this article. Proposed since March 2019.
Support: As per the citations Thirumal is Tamil Translation of Krishna. And there are no evidences to prove that he is separate god/avatar as per this [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aggi007 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I note that Facsix had closed the proposal on one of the pages back in March 2019 with this edit, noting While the later mythologies have gradually merged Tamil gods into Vedic pantheon, when it comes to most of Tamil classics and temples,only Perumal/Thirumaal finds a mention. With that clarified, the Wiki article deserves to stay. Vishnu reference can be added as point somewhere. Given that this has been closed for some time on one page, I'll close it on the other too, without prejudice for re-proposing. Klbrain (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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Oppose Like other forms of Vishnu, Venkateswara has a distinct iconography and mythology. For example, Distinct entry in The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism (James Lochteld). --RedtigerxyzTalk14:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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Vishnu Is Absolutely Omnipotent Change My Mind Bruh
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please change "Vishnu is a Rigvedic deity, but not a prominent one when compared to Indra, Agni and others.[51] Just 5 out of 1028 hymns of the Rigveda are dedicated to Vishnu, although He is mentioned in other hymns.[15] Vishnu is mentioned in the Brahmana layer of text in the Vedas, thereafter his profile rises and over the history of Indian mythology, states Jan Gonda, Vishnu becomes a divinity of the highest rank, one equivalent to the Supreme Being." to "Vishnu along with Rudra are considered as the manifestations of the omnipotent, Saguna Prabrahman, Though the name "Vishnu" occurs only 5 times, it is clear that along with Rudra, Vishnu pervades the hymns of the Vedas as a thread holds the flowers of a garland together." Rig VedaRpannala (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
The Rig Veda itself is the most reliable source. The references that are cited in the current text are not vedic sanskrit scholars. Verse 1.22.20 - "Vishnu occupies the paramount position. All the other deities look always to His feet." Also refer to verse 10.113.2 and Verse 1.156.2. [1]Rpannala (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Rpannala
Not a reliable source. Who translated it? Who published it? Please find an academically published reliable source to support any suggestions. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Even shiva can't be said to be a rig Vedic deity the Vedas mainly focuses on agnidev and indradev while vishnu isn't really a minor deity in the Vedas but he's not constantly mentioned like agni or indra 950CMR (talk) 14:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
By your argument, you should remove the "not a prominent one" and clarify that you are comparing the number of explicit occurrences only because the the manifestations of Vishnu and Rudra are praised to be the foremost amongst all the deities with agni and indra offering their prayers to the two manifestations as Vishnu and Rudra. Otherwise, you are spreading misinformation. Also, calling the original text of RigVeda as "unreliable" is illogical. I hope you can actually understand Vedic Sanskrit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpannala (talk • contribs) 02:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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Tamil name of Vishnu. Though theories suggest he may have been a separate deity, currently treated as a synonym of Vishnu. Similar case like Murugan and Kartikeya, where we now have only 1 article. RedtigerxyzTalk16:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
comment: Lennart97 Intentionally not mentioned by some users as Murugan was merged because of it. Read the description of the deity and you will realise that they both are almost the same. However that article can remain separate..💠245CMR💠.•👥📜14:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
@245CMR: Thanks, I now also see that Thirumal is listed as an avatar of Vishnu at Vishnu#Avatars. But yes, let's keep the articles separate, especially as apparently not everyone sees Thirumal as merely an avatar of Vishnu. However, a section at Thirumal about the connection with Vishnu would of course be helpful. I don't think that would automatically lead to a merge, there are plenty of articles about specific avatars of major deities. Lennart97 (talk) 14:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Not obvious that Thirumal is identical with Vishnu, and the tradition seems quite different. Many avatars have their own article as well. पाटलिपुत्र Pat(talk)07:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)}}
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Govinda
I suggest adding Govinda to the "See also" section and perhaps giving the term/name some mention within the article as well.
hi there, in the caption of the image showing the ten avatars of Vishnu, the names of the avatars are said as being given in counter-clockwise order starting from the "right-top". Judging from the images in the picture, the names are given in the correct order but only when starting from the top left, not the top right. At the moment, Parashurama, Rama, and Krishna (the 6th, 7th, and 8th avatars respectively) do not come in the right place when the sequence begins at the top right. only starting from the top left yields the correct sequence. small mistake, but one that is easily fixed. I hope this is the right place to suggest edits; I would have edited myself but the page is locked. 88.104.60.248 (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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@Nithinnamboothiripad08. Appreciate that you've provided a source for the info you want to add but the BBC article and it doesn't mention any of that information. For example, you wrote "It is from him that all vedas originated and he is considered the most important and supreme of all Hindu deities, and greatest among Trimurtis, Brahma and Shiva." In the article it's written, "Vishnu's worshippers, usually called Vaishnava, consider him the greatest god. They regard the other gods as lesser or demi gods." What you have written is a misrepresentation of the source and adding material that isn't mentioned in the source is considered original research, see WP:OR. Thanks! Eucalyptusmint (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
@Nithinnamboothiripad08, I'm curious did you read through the new sources you added because I'm not seeing where the material is mentioned. Additionally, I wouldn't consider the new references 'better research', per WP:RS. This one [2] is WP:USERGENERATED and is therefore a non-reliable source. Also as Joshua Jonathan mentioned above, the WP:LEAD is a summary of the body of the article. If you read the entire article you'll see that it currently doesn't mention any of the info you're adding. Based on that, if you find better sources that can verify the information, then the info should be placed in sections/subsections of the article. As an example, the sentence "Vishnu reaveals his universal form or Vishwaroopa to Arjuna during Krishna avatar before the Kurukshetra war" could be better placed in a subsection in the 'Avatars' section (again, if you find a reliable source that can verify this). Thanks.
The Ismaili community also believe visnu had reincarnated through a living imam known as aga khan the third.
In Ismaili tradition there are recitations of ginans a excerpt from wikipedia about ginans "Ginans are devotional hymns recited by the Nizari Ismaili communities in South Asia. The recitation of ginans is not restricted to just Nizari Ismailis evidenced by the recitation of ginans by many established non-Nizari Ismaili singers such as Abida Parveen who recited the ginan Ya Ali Khub Majalis in the presence of the 49th present and living Imam of the Nizari Ismailis, His Highness Prince Aga Khan IV,[3] the accessibility to view current transcripts and translations of ginans, and the academic literature written on ginans which is made accessible to the larger public."
Kamadeva is not son of Lord Vishnu. He is son (or) mind creation from God Brahma, and Devasena , sundaravalli is daughter of Indra .
Mangala and Narakasura also not a children of Vishnu. In varaha avatar only he is vishnu son. Mention in varaha avatar and delete wrong information in vishnu wikipedia.
Plz edit and change this article. 122.172.85.177 (talk) 14:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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I have a request to the Admin's Of Wikipedia to lock the editing facility of articles for The Hindu Deities like the article of Prophet Muhammad to avoid vandalism and misinformation on the religion so please consider my request. Thank you Indoman365 (talk) 13:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
However, pages are usually only protected when there is presentment vandalism and/or edit warring, especially by IPs. This does not seem to be the case here. SKAG123 (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
so u mean that pages can get protection only if there are matters of vandalism but prevention is better than cure before anyone does any vandalism with the pages of Hindu Deities they should be protected by locking the editing facility Indoman365 (talk) 07:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Considering that Vaishnavism is the primary sect of Hinduism and most of the Hindus consider Vishnu as the Ultimate Being himself, shouldn't Vaishnavism have the priority especially at the introduction? —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 06:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Also note that non-Vaishnavas generally do not worship Vishnu. So worshipping Vishnu as a concept almost always means worshipping the Absolute Being and Absolute Self. —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 06:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Vishnu is a pan-Hindu deity, not restricted to Vaishnavism. For Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, we need to introduce him in a pan-Hindu context. Similar treatment is given in other references Britannica, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism p. 759, dictionary of Gods and Goddesses p. 342. RedtigerxyzTalk12:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
This is regarding Gautam Buddha
I don't understand. Why are you saying this budda is the incarnation of Vishnu. This is completely false information. Remove this from Wikipedia. 103.177.82.205 (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Why content deleted, Vaishnavism means worshiper of vishnu , the word vaishnavism comes from vishnu alone,
So plz edit correct word sentence such as remove within , just add He is supreme Being in vaishnavism , add in , see shavisim wiki they also in and added content link text paramatman for vishnu affilition , in shiva wikipedia they also add same content paramatman see it and remove supreme being, add Vishnu is Supreme Lord who creates , protects and transform the universe. In deity shiva wikipedia there is lot of difference they added own supremacy content, so plz edit my request, see everyone as equal in Hindu deities especially to Lord Vishnu.
Correct Edit :
He is supreme being in vaishnavism. (Remove - within )
Add content [Paramatma ]to affilition
And finally add in Vaishnavism Vishnu is Supreme Lord who creates, protects and transform the universe. (Remove - supreme being ) I Kindly request to you plz correct word and sentence formation. @Chronikhiles
In and within literally mean the same thing within the specified context. You can go ahead and add Paramatman in the infobox if you want as long as you follow it up with (Vaishnavism). As for the Supreme Lord/Being nuance, I suggest you open this as a separate discussion on the talk page so that alignment can be reached between both articles. Please don't make modifications to sourced content as you did before. Chronikhiles(talk)06:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Done. I'm the only one you pinged who can CU, although @Abecedare is an Admin he doesn't have checkuser. Sorry, I've been tired. I may not be able to help much once I start more chemo next month. Doug Wellertalk14:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
There's a painting by Ravi Varma Press called Shree Vishnu that I think fulfils your criteria. According to one site it's supposedly from the 1920s - 30s. I'm still kind of murky about copyright and domain so I'm not sure how to upload it. Maybe we could get some consensus about this or another painting and try to make sure it will be here to stay before it replaces the current infobox image. Chronikhiles(talk)03:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
File:Vishnu.jpg is a good choice. Is only a picture of Viṣṇu in with four arms, blue skin, and holding conch, discus, mace, and lotus as in typical iconography. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Is this even public domain or just a random painting of Vishnu from Google? The artist, dating, and copyright status are all absent. We need a good representation plus these details to make an infobox image change stick. Chronikhiles(talk)16:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Redtigerxyz, the image you suggest seems to struggle with balancing traditional painting style with Western influence, which is a bit off-putting artistically. Vishnu faces directly toward the viewer, but the artist does not seem to have a strong grasp on painting faces in Western photorealistic style nor proper 3D perspective. I think for an infobox image, the depiction should try to remain within a more firmly traditional depiction of painting or perhaps a pre-modern sculpture or idol of Vishnu. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Based on my experience, I think conventional paintings, immaterial of school, are generally the preferred representations of Hindu deities on the infobox. Of course, it's not a rule (Krishna, Lakshmana) but I'd personally be for a painting. Chronikhiles(talk)07:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
In talk page we didn't discuss about this image, we suggest only authentic image,Why you changed the old photo, atleast add previous image idol of Vishnu,see other Hindu deities , can you make changes? This is very propaganda on Vaishnavism.I know you are shaivism, you jealous on Bhagavan Vishnu. Shame on you.
why you add this ugly old Vishnu image, why you so much jealous on Lord Vishnu. See other Hindu deities in Wikipedia, how beautiful, but you always changes related to Vaishnavism. Wikipedia is not your private property. See and search in Wiki media common, there is so much Vishnu images, upload the one, delete current image, hey red tiger delete it.
Dear anon, The current image is IMO is beautiful; a historical image with a suitable license, the dark blue complexion, the four attributes - shankha chakra padma gada, the vanamala, the kaustaubha. The image was discussed in the discussion above. Please upload an image with suitable license and more beautiful with suitable iconography; we can discuss the same here and change the image. RedtigerxyzTalk11:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
This above image best for Vaishnavaism article, this image is also in thumbnail, add this image to Vaishnavism and change God Vishnu image in Wikipedia and add sculptures of Vishnu in Wiki image, there are so many statue of Vishnu in the world, for example garuda wisnu, Angkor wat temple statue , etc,....
Wikipedia users promote lot of vandalism and fake poorly sourced information on Hindu deities especially to God Vishnu. They add beautiful images/statue for other deities but in Vishnu wiki page they add old ugly photo, same image for avatar, dashavatar and Vaishnavism artist, they image link not opened in web, atleast they didn't change images. World encyclopaedia is much better than Wikipedia.
@Chronikhiles
@Chariotrider555
@Classicwiki
@Redtigerxyz2409:4071:D8D:F611:0:0:6548:5313 (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
If you can't see past your misinformed accusations and refuse to be constructive within existing policy, you're wasting everyone's time. Also, nobody's forcing you to use Wikipedia. Chronikhiles(talk)02:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Oh once again changes images. Why ?
What a irony and propaganda by wiki users,
“Adding old image and few info for vishnu wiki page and using Good statue and more info on
shiva wiki article page
What a irony and propaganda by wiki users, “Adding old image and few info for vishnu wiki page and using Good statue and more info on shiva wiki article page
So many jealous and hyprocisy to God vishnu. That why now present age is kaliyuga. Even unrighteous is also happening in wikipedia. They are always wait for editing, even wiki accept chance for good rdit, but this so called users didnt get digest when we edit good faiths. World Encyclopedia is 10000 times better than wiki. User : God devotee 10:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
You need to seek WP:CONSENSUS for your changes, rather than WP:EDITWARring. Please read WP:BRD for an understanding of how this works. Your changes have been rejected by other editors and you can't just keep trying to shoehorn them through. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:Someone is targeting and attack me by adding my username to talk page with unnecessary text. I first time join Wikipedia, I add only neutral point of view and reliable source , but this account continuosly reverted my edit and add my username in talk page. Anyone can plz help me.
You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Tirumala Venkateswara Temple]]. Pavan 04:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Vishnu,Chola dynasty, 12th-13th century,Tanjore, Tamil Nadu,India - Removed broken/incomplete img; attributes like chakra, gada missing; the older Coimbatore img is from the same school (see in the second image)
Coimbatore image
Why should we images of two Tamil temples. Ranganatha is enough.
Why have a panorama of Ranganatha, why the temple can be represented by a normal image? There is no panoramas of temples on other deity articles.
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Not done Please provide a reliable source that supports the change.--RegentsPark (comment) 23:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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