Talk:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier/Archive 1

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Merger proposal

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I propose to merge Draft:Falcon & Winter Soldier into Draft:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They cover the exact same show. I would do it myself but I do not know how. ARZ100 (talk) 02:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I support this idea. Unfortunately, I myself am not 100% sure on how to merge/move pages as well. --Bold Clone 16:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, maybe we should delete the Draft:Falcon & Winter Soldier article because it seems to me like all of the information in that article is already in this one. ARZ100 (talk) 17:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I am going to m,ark the relevant pages with a merger proposal. ARZ100 (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --Bold Clone 18:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I would just delete Draft:Falcon & Winter Soldier. - Brojam (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Do we need to get an Admin to delete pages? —Bold Clone 07:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Rather than delete, the sensible thing would be to turn it into a redirect to the remaining article. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:43, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree. ARZ100 (talk) 14:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Done and done. Thanks for the suggestions. --Bold Clone 22:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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Article Complete?

How long until you guys consider this draft complete enough to be incorporated into the existing article? AKA Casey Rollins Talk With Casey 15:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

There isn't really a TV guideline for this, so we tend to follow the film guideline at WP:NFF. That says to wait until filming starts since at least then the show will physically exist. Before then, anything could happen. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Filming date

Our sources say filming was supposed to begin in August, and it's already September. Does it mean we should move it to mainspace now or do we wait until there's an official announcement? El Millo (talk) 20:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Sebastian confirmed that filming starts tomorrow [1] so to be on the lookout for a reliable source. - Brojam (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Baron Zemo and US Agent aliases

Can the debate over whether including the aliases "Baron Zemo" and "US Agent" should be used in the article take place here on the Talk page? I don't feel that strongly one way or the other, but it is getting disruptive. If anyone has a real contribution, this edit warring is going to create a conflict. It seems that Baron Zemo shouldn't be controversial, though, since at least as of my last edit (probably already OBE at this rate), all three references use "Baron Zemo" in them, one of them straight from Marvel. Thoughts?
The US Agent stuff is another story, but the IP and the other users should seek consensus here. If there is video documentation using an alias from official press releases, that should still be valid substantiation. WP:SKYISBLUE logic would suggest that even a primary source is good enough for something like this. I have yet to see it myself before weighing in here, but I wanted to encourage getting these edits out of the article itself sooner than later. WP:NORUSH on the final solution here...  -2pou (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Baron Zemo was stated by Feige at one of the announcement locations, but there is absolutely no sources yet confirming that US Agent will be used in the series. Yes we have the concept art, but that doesn't mean anything. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

"Buddy-cop" description

I think something needs to be added (although I'm not sure what section it would be most relevant to) that Sebastian Stan has described the series as having a "buddy cop feel". I believe it's an important aspect of the show that this article should cover. Thoughts?

Link here: https://screenrant.com/falcon-winter-soldier-marvel-disney-plus-fan-theories/

(It was also described as such here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/falcon-winter-soldier-who-is-john-walker-1235029)

– Sean Stephens (talk) 22:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the Development section: "Mackie and Stan had both previously expressed interest in starring in an MCU spin-off film together, with Stan comparing the potential idea to buddy comedy films like Midnight Run (1988) and 48 Hrs. (1982)." Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

August again

Alex 21, Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, Trailblazer101, etc.: should we consider this report by Deadline Hollywood as confirmation of the show's premiere in August, or should we just take as an assumption based on outdated info? El Millo (talk) 21:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Deadline has reported that it will premiere in August since the May 2019 report of Kari Skogland's hiring, but since Marvel Studios confirmed at Comic-Con that it was set for a late 2020 premiere, I don't think we can take the word of Deadline on it as official, especially since the most recent report appears to be a copy/paste from the May one and there was no indication in their article that it had been moved up, which is something all of the other media outlets are spewing as fact despite no official word from Disney/Marvel Studios. I suggest for now we wait and see. No harm in waiting until an actual Disney+ premiere is announced for certain. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Change to Fall 2020 - Both Marvel.com and the THR article cited say "Fall 2020", not "late 2020." The difference between Fall and August could come down to just a one week difference. Broadcast and cable shows premiering in late August are often considered Fall Premieres since they'll be airing within the Fall season, not summer. Since Fall runs through Nov/Dec, it's also considered Late 2020. So, "Fall" works for both late August premiere or for Nov premiere. Starforce¹³ 02:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The thing is "fall" isn't the same time of the year for everybody. In my country, for example, it would mean from March to June. That's why it has said "late 2020" instead of "fall" all this time, because English Wikipedia isn't for American readers only. El Millo (talk) 02:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't think of that. In that case, then let's keep it as Late 2020 until there's something more solid. There was no indication of a date change in the Deadline article. So, I'm pretty sure it's copy-paste based on past coverage. Starforce¹³ 03:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with the current approach, saying late 2020 but noting the Deadline report in the release section. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. - Brojam (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I also agree with the current approach. Though I do find it kind of funny all the other publications making a huge deal about this blip in the Deadline article that the series has "moved up". To me, August falls under the mid to late part of the year, so I guess I didn't think much of it. It's not like Deadline went with June or July, which then would be a "move up" I guess. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:53, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

So... about that Phase Four edit war

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@UnderIrae, Steven a91, Facu-el Millo, Trailblazer101, and Favre1fan93: As exciting as it is to see editors edit war without discussion, maybe if y'all came here and talked about it instead of just reverting you could figure it out? I actually don't see the problem with including that language, but obviously I could be missing something. The offending addition appears to be: […], and forming part of phase four of the universe —Locke Cole • t • c 22:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

We're currently discussing the wider issue and alterations at this discussion so it is best to bring in suggestions there. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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Request Edit

New Cast member https://discussingfilm.net/2020/05/18/erin-kellyman-joins-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.218.176 (talk) 17:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done The article traces their information to Murphy's Multiverse, which is an unreliable source, so it will not be added. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

If you read the whole article, DiscussingFilm, who IS A RELIABLE SOURCE, confirms her casting by digging around. Murphys Multiverse got Ant Man 3 right. You just hate on scoopers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.218.176 (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The article states "Per Lizzie Hill from Murphy’s Multiverse, she has stated that Solo: A Star Wars Story star Erin Kellyman could be joining the series. The report provides some in-depth research with substantial evidence found that Kellyman could very well be appearing in the highly anticipated show." before it goes on to state "Following our story regarding Ronny Chieng’s addition to Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings, we did some more digging into the realm of Marvel casting a while ago. We can confirm that Erin Kellyman has joined the cast of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier in what seems to be a substantial role." Unlike with the casting of Chieng (which DiscussingFilm reached out to his reps who confirmed it for them, see here), DiscussingFilm is only stating this themselves and not providing any credible source for her casting outside of Murphy's Multiverse (which was only potential) and their own "digging" from "a while ago" which can't be verified. Unless any other reports confirm this or DF can confirm it from Kellyman's reps, it is deemed unreliable. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

You just hate on scoopers Well they generally tend to be unreliable sources, so yes, we avoid using them. I agree with Trailblazer's assessment, that even though DF independently stated they've confirmed the casting, I think in this instance we should hold off until something more reliable comes about, such as a trade publication reporting on it or DF updating to say the actor's reps have confirmed the info. Remember, WP:NORUSH. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Georgia production restart guidelines

Georgia has announced their guidelines. This Deadline source doesn't mention any of the Marvel series, but I was curious if it would be helpful to mention here and at WandaVision and Loki. Or should we hold off until a source discussing this talks about the Marvel series, or we get a specific start announcement from Marvel? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I would wait until we have a source saying the shows are starting production again and will be returning to Georgia, just to be sure. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I also concur that we should wait for a source that explicitly that the Marvel series resume production. Using the source that your provided above and to say production has resume for the Marvel series is considered to be WP:SYNTH as it never explicitly say that for the Marvel series. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:27, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, the intent on using this source would simply be to say something along the lines of "In late May, Georgia released guidelines to allow productions to resume in the state." But I'm fine as you both said to wait until we get one explicitly mentioning the Marvel series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Questions on Sourcing Related to Production Resuming

Hello again, everyone! As someone who is a relative newcovmer to MCU articles (but also as someone who is not a Wikipedia novice; I have 14 years of general experience here under my belt), I understand that I may not be aware of all the nuances relating to relevant and reliable sourcing for articles about the MCU and the projects consisting thereof. I recently provided this source as verification that this series will reportedly resume filming in July. Trailblazer101 reverted the addition of that source, along with this one, with the following explanation: "Sourced info says it is 'in action' but doesn't confirm it will resume. CR is open to resuming productions at that date, but hasn't confirmed this series will resume then. Also unreliable source and improper formatting."

Let me take my response to that edit summary on piece by piece. The source did not say anything about anything being "in action". I assume that Trailblazer101 was referring to the part of the first source that says, "the extras casting agency Extrafilms made a post to their Facebook page that Tag Team” (the codename for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier) is in talks to return there in late July or early August." The phrase "in action" as used in the edit summary for this revert implies that action has not yet been taken. The phrase used by the source in question ("in talks") implies the decision to do so is under active consideration and is likely to be what happens, because previous aspects of the MCU that were "in talks" wound up being confirmed not long after by other reliable sources, which I presume will be the case here.

As for the second source, it cites a quoted statement made by Anthony Mackie while he appeared on an episode of "The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon" last week. The statement as quoted in the article was taken verbatim as Mackie said it on the show, and I know that because I have watched every new episode of the Tonight Show as it has aired. The veracity of the quote can be verified by searchiing for the coverage of that episode of the Tonight Show, as seen by my own search results for it by Google as found here. Another Google search provides a score of other sources that prove that the show will resume filming soon in Prague, as can clearly be seen at a glance here.

With all of that in mind, I'd be very interested to hear from Trailblazer101 on his/her reasoning as to why the sources I added are unreliable. I recognize that I am a newbie when it comes to articles about the MCU, but what I have laid out here seems more to verify the information mentioned in the two sources in question is valid, accurate, and acceptable for inclusion than the revert of those additions seems to suggest. I am trying hard to assume good faith here, but good faith should be mutually assumed, and it might not have been in this case.

As for the other issue, the assertion that the citation wasn't properly formed, I will just say that I've edited Wikipedia for 14 years, though I am a newbie when it comes to MCU pages. In most other pages I have edited, the type of source formatting I used is considered acceptable insofar as I am aware, and if that is not the format used for articles about the MCU, that would seemingly indicate a Wikipedia-wide failure to ensure uniformity in that respect. But if in any way the blame in relation to this particular case is mine, I'll gladly claim it.

Sorry for the lengthy comment, but I hope that clarifies my position on this matter. My thanks to you all for letting me join in as a contributor to MCU articles, and for taking time to educate me when my edits on this project are not in the correct format or adhering to the correct style. Hopefully your patience with me will pay off as I learn the ropes. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jgstokes: MCUCosmic itself is considered an unreliable source as a whole, so it can't be used to verify anything. Generally, when something is "reportedly" happening we don't include it, much less when it's "reportedly" and "in talks", i.e. "it's said to possibly happen in the future". Exceptions may be made if it's reported by Variety or The Hollywood Reporter, which are some of the most reliable sources for film and television. Still, we can't say something's happening until it's confirmed it's happening, even if it's obvious that it will end up happening. Regarding formatting, you didn't use {{Cite web}} or a similar template, which isn't required on Wikipedia but is clearer, more organized, and the format already used in this article. El Millo (talk) 03:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

El Millo, thanks for enlightening me on this subject. At some future point (doesn't need to be on this page or immediately), perhaps you or someone else could review for me what makes MCU Cosmic unreliable. I'm mostly fmiliar with the site due to its' YouTube videos, and generally have found personally that information from those videos is later verified as factual by official MCU announcements. But that's one topic I can defer for another time. For purposes of this discussion, based on my observations of your contributions here, I'm willing to take you at your word here that MCU Cosmic is not sufficiently reliable. But looking again at the search results I provided earlier that more or less confirm the information found in the sources from the MCU Cosmic website, I can see an abundance of sources that could be used for the information I provided, among which are Cinema Blend, Movie Web, who also provided another article on that, Comicbook, ScreenRant1, ScreenRant2, and CinemaBlend, just as an initial sample from a cursory rescan of those aforementioned results.

Thanks as well for clearing up my confusion about source formatting. If I add new content to MCU articles at any point in the near future, I'll try to remember to use the citeweb template for those. Finally, I wanted to apologize if the length or tone of my comment opening this topic came across as accusatory or too abrupt. I've created somewhat of a hardship for myself by jumping in to editing MCU articles in that I'm a novice to sourcing regulations and editing styles for those articles, even though I have over 14 years of general experience on Wikipedia. But having been around this website that long, I've also learned how to recognize good work when I see it, so with that in mind, I'd like to thank you for your patient explanation to me here, and for your efforts on MCU articles and elsewhere on Wikipedia. You certainly seem to know what's what, and if I may do so, I might keep you in mind if I have any further questions on styles or sourcing here and bounce those off you in the future when weighing subsequent contributions. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jgstokes: Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Comic_book_films_task_force#Resources for generally accepted sources for comic book films and television series. To further add, MCU Cosmic is a self-published site with no editorial oversight, so it is unreliable. That is always a quick way to determine reliability, if it has some sort of editorial oversight. Please also see WP:FRUIT. That's a big one on sourcing, because you can have a reliable source report something that originates from unreliable sources, and thus you can't use that reliable source. Looking at each of the other sources you added, the first Cinema Blend one is okay for content, Movie Web is unnecessary as we already have the CR restart info in article (this doesn't add anything more), Comicbook is a FRUIT situation, Screen Rant 1 is okay, and Screen Rant 2 and Cinema Blend 2 again does not add anything that isn't already in article. Now looking at the sources that were okay, all we really get is from Mackie saying "We have very little stuff to do." We already have in article comments from Sebastian Stan that are more descriptive than what Mackie is saying, so all in all, none of these sources say anything new or are necessary to add in. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: Thank you for enlightening me about reliable sources vs. those that don't meet Wikipedia standards. Your explanation of the distinctions are most helpful. I'll do my level best to keep all of that in mind in my future efforts here. Again, my thanks for your patience with me here as I try to jump in to doing some work on these pages as I can. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Filming on "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" has wrapped

Per Fandime Filmu, a film blog site in Prague, has said that filming has wrapped on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier yesterday: https://www.fandimefilmu.cz/clanek/25034-marvel-ukoncil-nataceni-v-praze-podle-hlavni-hvezdy-bylo-opravdu-tvrde, https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-filming-czech-republic-wraps/.

I am hoping we can add this into the show's wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.162.120 (talk) 01:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done I have added the information based on the ComicBook source. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Erin Kellyman

I looked at the source being used to confirm her participation and it pointed towards an Instagram post that’s no longer there. I wasn’t sure if it’s still usable or not. I was initially going to make this thread in regards to this Deadline source which regards her participation in the show as “rumoured”, but figured I should check the source presently being used. This is when I noticed the Instagram post was gone. Rusted AutoParts 19:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

It is not exactly confirmed. Per WP:RUMOUR, we do not add pure speculations. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I checked Screen Rant's article on the set photos from On Set. Unseen's Instagram post (which hasn't been archived) to no avail on hardcoded images as most sites just linked to the post, but did find this Mickey Blog has an article on it which includes a photo from the set with Erin Kellyman and the other crew, which I can vouch for was included in the original Instagram post and Comicbook's article when it was added to this article. Deadline's article from today seems to be calling it a rumor as her role has yet to be confirmed and because Murphy's Multiverse and DiscussingFilm both previously reported she was rumored for the role of Songbird in the series before her involvement was shown with the set photos. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Reading Deadline's article, I see it as them saying the role is rumored to be key, not that she is rumored to appear. So if we want to throw this Deadline source in there, I'm for it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm all for it, as it is more reliable. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

From the Deadline article: 'She also has been rumored for a key role on another high-profile upcoming Disney+ series, Marvel’s Falcon and the Winter Soldier.' I don't see how you can interpret 'rumored' being about the role while actually confirming her appearance. There's no distinction being made between the role and the appearance. So I'd say it's still a rumor, based on the Deadline article, until we get further clarification. UnderIrae (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

The Comicbook source does already confirm Kellyman's involvement, with or without the image, so we can't backtrack on that and say from the Deadline source that her involvement is now a rumor when she's already been confirmed. Comicbook's source also mentions her being rumored for a major role in Songbird, so Deadline doesn't provide anything new from what we already know. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I didn't realized the comicbook source confirmed it...I thought it was just a rumor just like Deadline source. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Genre

This can be classified as a spy thriller, right? Anubhab030119 (talk) 19:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

You need to provide an additional reliable source for an additional genre. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Sharon Carter

While I appreciate the good faith efforts of Favre1fan93 in wanting to ensure that articles here are not implying anything that has been explicitly stated, I have a few thoughts about Sharon Carter that I wanted to note here that may be relevant to the edits in question here. Sharon Carter was a CIA agent at the time she assisted Captain America, handing him his shield and also giving him classified information on how to find his friend, Bucky Barnes. I'm a bit fuzzy on what constitutes federal crimes as far as the MCU is concerned, but handing classified documents and confiscated property over to Captain America, who at that time was technically violating the Accords, and was thus a fugitive from justice, would, under normal circumstances, be more than enough cause for a CIA agent, Sharon Carter in this case, to lose her job as a result of her actions. If she was still technically employed by the CIA, and/or still in good standing with that agency, she likely wouldn't be "on the run" as described in this very article. I believe it is a safe conclusion to draw from this contetual information that she no longer works for the CIA. But based on this line of reasoning, if anyone here still feels her status in the CIA needs to be explicitly stated in a source, that's not problematic. Either way, I wanted to put this out there for discussion and a consensus decision. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe it is a safe conclusion to draw That's WP:OR, and using Van Camp's "on the run" quote would be WP:SYNTH. We know definitively from events seen in the films that she is a former S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. We can not discern yet her relationship with the CIA. I'm sure the series will clue us in, and we can make such changes when it is known but not at this time. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:07, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop another comment here to write out my thanks to you, Favre1fan93, for your explanation, and to TriiipleThreat, for brining to my attention the policy-based nuances on pages such as this that have bearing on the questions I raised. Until the latest changes by both of you, I had not considered my line of reasoning with those specific elements in mind. I can see now that I was definitely out of line in my behavior on this issue, so in addition to my thanks, I wanted to extend a formal apology to you both for overlooking what now seems blatantly obvious. I appreciate you both setting the record straight for me. Thanks for taking time to do so, and for your continued patience with me, as I'm still very much learning the ropes on pages relating to the MCU. Insofar as the issues I raised are concerned, I am satisfied with the explanaitons offered, and consider this matter fully closed. I will try to be more mindful of the relevant policies in the future. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Request article move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:28, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier → The Falcon and The Winter Soldier – The show refers to "The Winter Soldier" and "The Falcon". So (even though a "the" is usually lowercased), both the "the"s should be uppercased since it is part of the proper noun for each character. The press release from Disney demonstrates my point: https://dmedmedia.disney.com/disney-plus/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier ...AND if you read the synopsis, "The Winter Soldier" is in uppercased. ScottSullivan1 (talk) 04:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose — We don't go against grammatical rules for titles of works (included in our guidelines, see MOS:TITLECAPS) unless the vast majority of reliable sources do so as well, which this isn't the case. Studios don't mandate how Wikipedia capitalizes the titles. The same happens with Ant-Man and the Wasp, which Marvel Studios sometimes labels as Ant-Man and The Wasp, but we still don't capitalize it. Besides, the the isn't part of the proper noun, the superhero's name is Falcon, as seen in every Cast section for any MCU article in which the character appears, plus the comics character and the MCU version. We'd need more that just this synopsis to change the name of this character. —El Millo (talk) 04:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per El Millo. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - his alias is actually just "Winter Soldier", not "The Winter Soldier." The "the" is optional as you'll see in many places. Even in the MCU movies, he's credited as "Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier". So, regular grammar and MOS rules can apply. — Starforce¹³ 13:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. I can see WP:SNOW applying to this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Here we can see that not even Marvel has consistently referred to this TV show as The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, using in this instance the lowercase 'the'. —El Millo (talk) 23:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
  • To add to this, the series' logo is also inconsistent since it has "The Falcon" and "Winter Soldier" in white and the rest in red, so we definitely shouldn't be overriding MOS:TITLECAPS based on Marvel's official listings. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Per MOS:TITLECAPS and also most of the reliable sources have "t" of "the Winter Soldier" part of the title lowercase. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per El Millo's detailed argument, MOS:CT and WP:SNOW. -- /Alex/₂₁ 00:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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Press site

Press site is here and is beginning to get content. Closer to release, we'll hopefully get a press kit PDF like for WandaVision. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Timeline

Skogland in her interview with Screen Rant said we are three to four months after the Blip. Maybe after the first episode drops we can adjust as needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Should we add reviews here?

Expanding on from my point above, has anyone given any thought to how we should add reviews, if at all, here? I feel like since the press has only reviewed 1 episode, it is hard to pull thoughts from the critics that would serve the series. For example, TVLine's review at the very end has some material one could consider related to the "series": if Disney+’s second Marvel series stays on track, it will be as well-received as WandaVision, even if it is a more traditional Avengers offshoot. But I feel this is forward/wishful thinking, which I feel other reviews might have as well, which doesn't feel particularly helpful at this time. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Reviews for just one episode won't be representative of the whole series. We should wait at the very least until after the next episode, probably even the third, until we have a fleshed out critical response section here. —El Millo (talk) 03:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that's kind of what I felt. I'm going to try to add some reviews to the first episode page. If there are any parts of them that seem useful for the series, however doubtful, I'll flag them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree, we can always add stuff back here if it turns out to be relevant to the whole series. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:28, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox image

Can we go back to using the show's official logo like the other series in the infobox? The current one is much harder to read. -- Zoo (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree. please switch the image back to the official logo. This one doesn't look good like the other ones Marveldc111 (talk) 18:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I deleted the bad image but its not letting me add the official logo can someone try to add it? Marveldc111 (talk) 19:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

This should be discussed before it is implemented, because it would be an exception to the rule. —El Millo (talk) 19:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know any rules or anything like that. I just want someone to add the actual logo not the title on the screen. Marveldc111 (talk) 19:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I already changed it. I reverted the changes and added back the previous logo because the one that was being used wan't very creative. Ulises1126 (talk) 11:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

There is a talk page for the title card image. You can discuss it there. FYI, if there is a "Previously On" section for future episodes, there is a good chance they will use the standard shield logo, since they did the same thing for WandaVision. - Richiekim (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Cast mistake

The bit near the end, referencing Hoskins/Battlestar refers to him as a "Sergeant Major of the Army," which is incorrect; it also links to the page for Sergeant Major of the Army. He is a Sergeant Major IN the Army, not Of the Army. Sergeant Major of the Army is a specific billet, the most senior enlisted person in the entire US Army. Hawkins isn't that. He's simply a Sergeant Major. 174.202.34.12 (talk) 09:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed —El Millo (talk) 15:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

In the description for episode 4 it states John Walker “beheads” one of the Flag Smashers. This is not the case. He brutally kills the man in a rage but he does not behead him! 2A02:C7F:4E04:F800:3070:427F:5E7B:6BAB (talk) 09:41, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Already done Terasail^[✉] 15:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Explore Madripoor

A new website for Madripoor which appears to be part of a viral marketing campaign has recently been discovered by Comicbook.com (1, 2) and can be accessed at https://www.exploremadripoor.com/, but while the site looks official (according to the report, it was found on an advertisement banner on Marvel.com), I couldn't find any indication on the site that it was made by Disney/Marvel, nor was there any official announcement. Should we go ahead and add it to the article right now, or do we wait for more details? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Here are several different versions of the ad banner that I found plastered all over Marvel.com: 1, 2, 3, 4. It can't be that of a coincidence, can it? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Seems it's legit - https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/news/explore-madripoor-website-has-had-its-x-men-mcu-easter-eggs-deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir Magnus (talk • contribs) 16:27, April 9, 2021 (UTC)

As I said on Draft:Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I am suspicious, since my device blocked it as malware. I think Comicbook are probably none the wiser about this than we are. I’ll get a page patroller or something to check this out and see if it is ok for inclusion. IronManCap (talk) 16:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I think it may be ok to include mention of the viral marketing campaign sourced to RS, but I don't know that an EL is warranted given the current level of coverage presented here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:13, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

The most reliable source I could find is one from IGN. I can't seem to find any official confirmation from Marvel or Disney at first glance. IronManCap (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93 and Facu-el Millo: Any thoughts? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm about to add info on it to the episode 3 article, where it's most appropriate. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

117.209.142.124 (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Totally 5 episodes

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 15 (talk) 18:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2021

In episode 4, action is supposed to be setted in Rīga, Latvia, and not in Lithuania 84.237.199.149 (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Episode 3 episode summary mention both Latvia and Lithuania, I don't see a mention of either for episode 4's summary. WikiVirusC^(talk) 17:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2021

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier premiered on March 19, 2021, and will run for six episodes until April 23. It is part of Phase Four of the MCU. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier premiered on March 19, 2021, and will run for five episodes until April 23. It is part of Phase Four of the MCU. Ali.Pega (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WikiVirusC^(talk) 10:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021

NgotachYTG (talk) 18:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The 60 mins on the max run time is wrong by a minute, just for accuracy change to 61 mins or 1h 1min

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)