Talk:The Amazing Race (American TV series)/Archive 1

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Viewership for season in progress

I strongly recommend keeping the viewership numbers for the present season off the table. Official numbers will be released at the end of the season, so any numbers published between now and then are going to be questionable and debatable, even if verified by an article. (I added an HTML comment in line to hopefully keep it out of there until we have the official numbers.) --Masem 03:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll point out again that right now, there is no official tally (that I've seen or that has been cited) as to the viewership for either series in the 06-07 season. If you do have a source and you want to put these back in, please cite the source. If you are putting them in for the current season, make sure to include "through x episodes" but here again, a source is very important. --Masem 23:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mentions of other TV series

I have a problem with the following passage from the section "Television viewership" (end of the paragraph directly below the table):

Despite this slight setback, the show has managed to maintain a steady ratings plateau, and is now one of the longest-running reality series ever, bested only by a handful of other series, such as Survivor, Big Brother, The Bachelor, Endurance, American Idol and MTV's The Real World.

What is the "bested by" supposed to refer to? Longest-running reality series or ratings? But a broader question would be: do we have to make a comparison of this show to the others? Tinlinkin 23:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

No. (I think 'bested by' here means, has had more episodes/seasons than, which is at least objective, but I can see people keeping adding to this list...)... --Masem 23:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same (not necessary and referring to seasons). But I think my edit will discourage additions—that's what I wanted to accomplish. Tinlinkin 23:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Where do they sleep?

Where do contestants sleep? For example, it was stated during leg 4 of The Amazing Race 12 that they were in Burkina Faso for "a few days." But it isn't shown where the contestants sleep. Badagnani (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Contestants are usually put up in some kind of hotel during the mandatory rest periods. Occasionally they are given lodging that the viewers see (e.g. capsule hotel in Japan). They've been in Burkina Faso for most of Leg 3, up until the Pit Stop, and then through all of Leg 4. "A few days" is easily accurate. Also remember that the mandatory rest is occasionally 36 hours instead of 12, however when this happens it is not usually made known to viewers. Claude (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It makes sense, then, that most of the locations were within a couple of hours' drive of Ouagadougou. This information, about the mandatory sleep periods, where they usually take place, and how long they are, should be added to the article. Badagnani (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

This is, in fact, already discussed in the main article under Pit Stops. Claude (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I see no mention of the term "sleep" or "hotel" anywhere in the The Amazing Race (US TV series) article. Badagnani (talk) 03:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The "main' article is the one at The Amazing Race (this article is the US show specific). However, there really isn't that much about where they sleep - or it wasn't explicitly stated, so I've added that to that article. --MASEM 04:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course, you're right and I didn't realize my error until later on. Thanks for the catch. Claude (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

That article did already have text about that, but the U.S. article needs such information as well. I had no idea there was a "main" article other than the U.S. one. Also, both articles need to state that the lodgings are (almost) never shown on the program. Badagnani (talk) 04:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

In the last episode, you may have noticed that Phil said that they arrived at a certain time (7:47 am, I believe) during the daytime. If you noticed the images of them opening the clues, they started the leg during the day (as opposed to night if the 12 hour rest period was enforced), and Phil didn't announce when they departed (he just merely said that "they were the first to depart", sans "at ___"). This may have been due to the rains on the previous leg, or perhaps safety concerns regarding travel at night in a developing country. Rather than explain this, they try and conceal this fact from the casual viewer. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 16:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's great information. Let's add it to the article now. It is not our job to help anyone conceal anything (except in the case of BLP). Badagnani (talk) 18:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, the fake 12 hr pit stops are mentioned at main The Amazing Race page. What I've done is try to make it clear that the format of the race (listed on this US-airing specific page) is expanded into much more detail on the other in-general page, which then should direct you to, for example, where they sleep at pit stops or the time issues on length of pit stops. Again, the split of these articles is that this (US-centric) one should be information very specific to how the US show is made and reviewed and the like, while the other page is more just on how the race is run that is true for the other international Race versions. --MASEM 19:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"We're Moving Up The Food Chain"

I just wanted to know which season this episode title is supposed to refer to (in the awards section) because it's not an episode title for any season of The Amazing Race. Is this an error? If anyone knows, please explain. 64.192.44.160 (talk) 21:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

New country list

I've been thinking that the country/locale list would look better organized in a bulleted format rather than the raw list we have now. I experimented for a while, and came up with a new way of doing it, which can be seen here. It lists the countries in columns rather than rows, bullets them, and incorporates the map into the table itself, which eliminates the trapped whitespace outside the table that we have now. I eliminated the parenthetical "including" notes to save room, but they could easily be added as footnotes. What do you think? --Crazy Legs KC 10:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice. looks very organized unlike tthe old version which looks very messy. but it'll be better if the picture of the new version doesn't destroy the line between Oceania and Europe Aranho (talk) 13:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. But what do you mean "destroy the line between Oceania and Europe"? --Crazy Legs KC 18:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

if you look under the europe section from iceland to ukraine, if you hover the mouse on any of these countries, a section of the line between europe section and oceanic section will be destroyed. Aranho (talk) 09:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Could someone attatch this article to the Amazing Race template? - List of Locations Visited by The Amazing Race U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rj1020 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Redirected to the US series' country list. I can understand the notability of a series country list, but ones for specific race locations, buildings, etc... becomes an FAQ/indiscriminate collection of information, which is not permitted per Wikipedia:NOT#INFO. It's for the same reason why we don't have pages with "racer statistics"... it's indiscriminate information, not to mention original research in that example. Remember, the race markers at each place mat list the country, not city of that leg... while Race media and press releases, focus on countries visited, not cities, buildings, national parks, or monuments visited. --Madchester (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I give up. I'll just post the list up on ImagineWiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rj1020 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Can we use other colors for the country lists? If all are in shade of green, some numbers may be mixed up. Like the colors of countries visited once and twice seems to me to be same. If we can make it in different colors like the colors of the rainbow so it won't be mixed up.Albertal (talk) 08:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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DumZiBoT (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

England and Scotland in country tally

Just wondering why england and scotland are listed separately in the countries visited table. Shouldn't they be together as the United Kingdom? I only say this because in the Season 3 page, they are listed as one country under the United Kingdom, which was the season where scotland was visited. One or the other should be changed and i was just wondering which. Personally i think they are both considered as one country, the United Kingdom Survivorfan101 (talk) 04:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

One of the earlier seasons (I'm pretty sure before season 10) The early show's Dave Price and Harry Smith ran the first leg of the race. This should be noted in its respected season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Help needed to save TAR Cities list

Someone has proposed deleting the Cities Visited by The Amazing Race (U.S.) page. This page lists every location that The Amazing Race has visited, and is sortable by city, country, continent, TAR season, and Leg. This list/page is very helpful in comparing the routes and locations throughout the entire 14 seasons of the show, especially when the Race has visited places more than once. It definitely should be kept. Improving it will help the cause too. Please quickly show your support on that page's Talk page to keep that important list of data. Thanks. --Mtjaws (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Good interview with BvM and ED

from Variety. I think we have sources for most of the major production parts but just in case... --MASEM 21:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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Wrong Title

Ok, in the Awards section, we have an episode, We're Moving Up the Food Chain, that won an Emmy for "Outstanding Picture Editing". Problem: an episode with this title does not exist. So, I tried to search on the Emmy website: it doesn't say which is the episode for which that Emmy was won, but there is a list of people (editors and supervising editors) who worked in that episode. So I searched on Imdb: there are only two episodes in which all those people could have worked (at least, the most of them: for some there is no data). They're How Do We Know We Aren't Going to Get Shot? and The Family Christmas Card. Can anybody verify what is the right one, so we can replace that wrong title in the table? --SimoneMLK (talk) 19:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

That was the first search I did, based on the Emmy for Picture Editing. I made a new search for the Sound Mixing. The only possible episode is now The Family Christmas Card, which was aired on December 6, 2005. Should we change it? I know this would be probably considered WP:OR, but we can't keep that info on the page, since we know it's wrong. --SimoneMLK (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I've also wondered about this for a while, too, so I decided to try to figure it out. A Google search for "We're Moving Up the Food Chain" brought me to this page, which lists it as an episode of Season 7, right between "I've Been Wanting a Facelift for a Long Time" and "Houston, We Have an Elephant". However, neither IMDb nor TV.com list this episode, showing "Elephant" directly after "Facelift" (even though the IMDb lists it under their award info, which is where we got that info for this article). TV.com's synopsis of "Facelift," however, reminded me that this episode was a two-hour, two-leg special, covering legs 5 and 6. I then got the hunch that these two legs were probably originally supposed to air as two separate episodes, with "Facelift" being the title for the first and "Food Chain" being the title for the second. To see whether I was right, I watched the second half of the episode (leg 6) on YouTube to see whether I could hear the "food chain" quote. And I did: Ron says "We're moving up the food chain" after he and Kelly arrive at the mat in first place (at 4:06 in this chunk of the episode). --Crazy Legs KC 03:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

So, "Chain" is "Facelift: Part 2"? Should we change the article? --SimoneMLK (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It sure seems that way. I don't think we should change this article, since the IMDb specifically lists "Chain" as the Emmy episode. We should perhaps change the Season 7 article to include the two separate titles, but we'd probably need a more reliable source than the page I linked to above--perhaps the DVD would qualify, if it does in fact show legs 5 & 6 as two separate episodes. --Crazy Legs KC 15:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Vatican City

When did the race visited Vatican City? The went to Rome (Colosseum, Spanish Steps), but never went to the Vatican. I'm going to remove it. --SimoneMLK (talk) 09:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Wrong image

The image you can see on the right (now in the section "Countries and locales visited") has a mistake: Zimbabwe is highlighted instead of Zambia, as it should be. Can anybody correct this? --SimoneMLK (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of the map, I like the idea ... but ten shades of blue makes it hard to tell exactly how many times the show has been in a given country. Any chance the colors could be better differentiated, or perhaps the number of visits could be added in parentheses in the list? CES (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

HDTV

Anyone know if there are plans to shot in HDTV. It sure would make shots even more exciting. I gather it could be difficult to carry extra equipment around? --JimWae (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It will be difficult to carry extra equipment for HDTV. J4lambert (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Clearer location for List of Seasons

It took me a while to find where the list of Amazing Race seasons were (all the way at the bottom). It seems like they should be listed under Chronology heading in the right hand Infobox. Is there a reason the list of seasons isn't there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.10.234.7 (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

About the Asian ranking

China has been visited nine times so far, not eight. In the table, TAR 11 is missing. --SimoneMLK (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Added Intoronto1125TalkContributions 17:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Kenya

Because of recent developments on the current race's article, I've been going through older pages and getting rid of nations (and flags) that are only used for connecting flights or nations where they just head to the airport after leaving a prior one by train, car, etc., rather than being nations where the racers do tasks. Anyway, in The Amazing Race 5, the teams visit Kenya. But only for NBO. Should this nation be removed from the map of all places visited and the accompanyin table?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the clue instructed them to go to Kenya so it should be included. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 19:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Why no winners listed?

Just curious as to why winners are not listed in this page. All the main pages on reality shows I have seen list them, like Survivor, Big Brother, American Idol, Hell' Kitchen, etc., but not here. Is there any reason for this? Hzh (talk) 13:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC) ~~:I am not too sure why its not added, but I wouldn't be against putting it on the article. Intoronto1125 TalkContributions 15:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)~~

The winners in Survivor or Big Brother, as individuals, often go on to receive additional attention - not always, but pretty regularly. Here, TAR winners stay renown in the circle of fans but don't have notability just for winning TAR (its what happens afterwards if they get articles or notice). Add to that that if we did this and added the two runners up teams, we'd be adding six (12 in the case of FE) to the table, and it would get messy pretty fast. It's basically data not critical to understanding the concept of the series but can be found elsewhere. --MASEM (t) 15:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Notability is not an issue here, just like TV ratings and air dates are not notable but are still listed in the table on the page. Notability is only an issue when deciding if a contestant should have his or her own page. I'm not bothered whether the winner's names are listed or not, just noting that it's an oddity given that the whole season is geared towards finding a winning team (therefore more important data than things like air dates).
The names can be easily added to the ratings table, even if it is not quite the right place to put them. However it should be also said that at the moment the comment column also doesn't really belong to that table. Hzh (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

What I am saying is that unless the people were notable before being on the show, very few of them become notable afterwards. Winning Survivor or Big Brother, on the other hand, will attract enough attention. As such, nearly every winner of those shows will have a blue-linked article. Here, save for a few people (perhaps Chip for example), winning TAR doesn't give them any attention, and thus they will be unlinked or red-linked names. It is not very helpful to have them in the table in that fashion. --MASEM (t) 22:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Every other reality show includes the winners on its main article, regardless of their notability. Other versions of the Amazing Race include the winners on their main articles. There is no reason that the American version should be excluded. WP:N does not cover whether or not reliably sourced information should be excluded from an article just because the subject may not be notable.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there is one specific callout in WP:N about lists and the like and inclusion per notability. This is the only area where N can influence content. This would be a case of such. --MASEM (t) 23:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above statement. After considering it earlier I don't feel its right to list the winners. Intoronto1125 TalkContributions 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

What I see on WP:N is WP:NLISTITEM, and there is no such callout that mentions whether or not notability affects whether or not a list is included within an article, rather than being made into its own separate article. Either way, I have split off the information from the ratings into its own separate section.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I think there has been complete misunderstanding of the notability rule. As you rightly stated (and according wiki guidelines), the issue of notability is not relevant within an article. What may be an issue within an article is whether something is trivial or not (i.e. article should avoid trivia), and I don't think anyone can claim that the winners are something trivial, given that is the ultimate goal of the show - finding a winning team. Hzh (talk) 14:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

trainspotting/trivial details

Noting that the show has not had a FF for two seasons, or that the Yield hasn't been used since a specific season falls under the concept of trainspotting - noting details that while can be "verified" by watching the show, mean little else overall. There may be no FF on the last two seasons if no one has taken the FF and thus not needed. Unless it is clear that the show has stated they have removed a certain feature, indicating when a feature has stopped being used is extremely trivial and unneeded here. --MASEM (t) 03:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. The fact that these two game features have not been in use for some time shows that the game itself has changed. If they are no longer part of the game (as the Yield is), then it should be noted. The Fast Forward thing is iffy, because we simply do not know if it was just skipped.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:43, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

FF and SB vs FF rule new

(FF = Fast Forward, SB = Speed Bump, DT = Detour, RB = Roadblock, NEL = Non Elimination and PS = Pit Stop)

FF rule
Before: The team should take FF at least (minimum) two times
After: The team may take FF only one time

SB vs FF rule
If SB precede FF, the NEL team must take SB then FF (example: RB->SB->FF->DT, SB->RB->FF->DT, etc)
If FF precede SB, the NEL team must take SB and not take FF and the NEL team penalty 1 hour if taking FF without SB (example: DT->FF->SB->RB, FF->DT->SB->RB, etc)

Akuindo (talk) 02:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The Amazing Race 24

Should we edit The Amazing Race 24: All Stars? The article is redirected to US TV series The Amazing Race. That season is has been offically confrimed by CBS. The teams, I know, see these websites: http://www.homorazzi.com/article/the-amazing-race-season-24-spoilers-teams-all-stars-final-3-teams and http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_24/2013_Nov_18_cast-updated. WE should edit these redirects to permanent article!!!! Now or later????? I know it will be aired in Feb 2014, and it is returning teams season. Roif456 (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

All we know is that the season is coming and its all stars. We don't know exactly when it will air yet, teams, or destinations (historically they would have just finished the race by now). We can wait until more details are known. --MASEM (t) 02:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, those sources aren't reliable for us to us for sourcing. --MASEM (t) 02:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. But in other websites, they have spoiled teams. Are Wikipedia is not allowed to show spoilers? Thanks. The website is http://forum.realityfanforum.com. We must wait next February 2014. And these spoilers website also spoiled destinations, teams, tasks. Roif456 (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

It's the reliability of these other sites, not so much the spolier aspect. They are likely 99% right, but they are also sites without rigors of editorial control, so we can't use them. On the other hand, if Entertainment Weekly reported this, before the formal announcement, we could use that. --MASEM (t) 05:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't the Season 24 announced officially pretty much directly after the end of the last season? --> http://www.cbs.com/shows/amazing_race/news/1001655/ I can't watch the trailer, though, because I'm not from the US, so I don't know what they tell us in the video. But I'd say those are information worth sourcing and we have enough information to delete the redirect and start the season-article.(HQna (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC))

That may be the case, but there are no reliable sources out there to support the notability of an article. When the entertainment news media starts to post stuff from the press release for season 24, then we can start up an article.—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact that there is an entire page on the official website dedicated to announcing the new season ought to be enough for that page to be considered a "reliable source." I'm no expert here, but I have been around here enough times to know that normally by this time the page for the upcoming season would have been posted, with even fewer "reliable sources" to confirm it. Masem and Ryulong, you sure do seem to think everything that happens on The Amazing Race pages has to be approved by you before it can be posted. Maybe you should consider the ideas of others for a change. Thanks. 69.169.160.7 (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, kind sir, the fact is that Masem and I know about Wikipedia's internal guidelines and standards for inclusion and know that a single page on the official website is not enough to support a separate page on Wikipedia. Previous seasons have at least had the announcement of a new season being ordered and the casting call to fall back on, but because this is an all-stars season it means those never showed up and do not exist to produce a five sentence article claiming the season will happen. You just have to deal with the fact that until Entertainment Weekly and the like post the cast list that there's not going to be shit on Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Series Summary Dates

They're all messed up. Can somebody fix them please? (StephenCezar15 (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC))

They seem fine. Note that these are not the premiere and finale dates. They are the dates that the show was filmed between.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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Elimination tables

Should there be a change to the elimination tables? I have some ideas.

Idea 1

Team	Relationship	Team Name	Position (by leg)												Roadblocks
Team	Relationship	Team Name	1	2+	3	4+	5	⋐6⋑	7⁴	8	9	10	11	12	Roadblocks
Cody & Jessica	Dating Reality Stars	Team Big Brother	2nd	1st	5th	2nd	6th	6th⊃	5th	5th⊂	4th	2nd	2nd		Cody 6, Jessica 3
Henry & Evan	Dating Debaters	Team Yale	3rd	8th	1st	6th	4th	3rd	3rd	4th⋐	3rd	4th	1st		Henry 4, Evan 5
Kristi & Jen	Professional Skiers	Team Extreme	1st	3rd	3rd	3rd	2nd	1st	5th	2nd	2nd	3rd	3rd		Kristi 5, Jen 4
Alex & Conor	IndyCar Drivers	Team IndyCar	5th	5th	2nd	1st	5th	4th	1st	3rd⋑	1st	1st	4th⁶		Alex 4, Conor 4
Lucas & Brittany	Dating→Engaged Lifeguards³	Team Ocean Rescue	7th	6th	8th	8th	1st	5th	1st	1st⊃	5th⁵				Lucas 3, Brittany 3
Eric & Daniel	Twins	The Firefighters	8th	9th	7th	7th	3rd	2nd	3rd	6th					Eric 3, Daniel 3
Trevor & Chris	Dating Violinists	Team Well Strung	4th	4th	4th	5th	7th	7th⊂							Trevor 3, Chris 3
Joey & Tim	Competitive Eaters	Team Chomp	6th	7th	6th	4th	8th								Joey 2, Tim 3
Cedric & Shawn	Former NBA Players	Team Slam Dunk	9th¹	2nd	9th	9th−									Cedric 2, Shawn 2
April & Sarah	Goat Yoga Moms	Team Goat Yoga	10th	10th−											April 0, Sarah 2
Dessie & Kayla	Models	The Ring Girls	11th²												Dessie 1, Kayla 0

A red team placement means the team was eliminated.
An orange + next to a leg number indicates that there was a Head-to-Head on that leg of the race, while an orange − indicates the team that lost the final Head-to-Head and was eliminated.
A brown ⊃ or a cyan ⋑ indicates that the team chose to use one of the two U-Turns in a Double U-Turn, while a ⊂ or ⋐ indicates the team who received it; ⋐⋑ around a leg number indicates that only one of the two available U-Turns was used.
An underlined blue placement indicates the team came in last on a non-elimination leg and had to perform a Speed Bump during the next leg of the race.
An underlined leg number indicates that there was no mandatory rest period at the Pit Stop and all teams were ordered to continue racing. An underlined team placement indicates that the team came in last on a "continue racing" leg and was ordered to continue racing.

^ Cedric & Shawn initially arrived 8th, but were issued a 30-minute penalty upon reaching the Pit Stop because Cedric provided illegal assistance at the Roadblock. Eric & Daniel checked in during their penalty time, dropping Cedric & Shawn to 9th.
^ April & Sarah and Dessie & Kayla arrived at the mat nearly simultaneously. Because Dessie was the last person to physically step on the mat, Dessie & Kayla were eliminated.
^ At the Leg 5 Pit Stop, after coming in first, Lucas proposed to Brittany. She accepted, and they were engaged for the rest of the race
^ Teams had to swap partners for a duration of the leg. Cody paired with Jen, Jessica paired with Kristi, Lucas paired with Conor, Brittany paired with Alex, Henry paired with Eric, and Evan paired with Daniel. Because of this, in order to check in at the Pit Stop, the teams had to be paired with their original partner. Cody & Jen arrived 1st, Brittany & Alex arrived 2nd, Lucas & Conor arrived 3rd, Daniel & Evan arrived 4th, Eric & Henry arrived 5th, and Jessica & Kristi arrived last. Teams swapped back to their original partners once both partners checked in.
^ Lucas realized that he lost his passport while on a connecting flight from Zimbabwe to Bahrain; they did not arrive in Bahrain until many hours after all the other teams had already checked in at the Pit Stop. When Lucas & Brittany arrived at the Dhow Shipyard, Phil met them to inform them of their elimination.
^ After all the other teams had already checked in at the Pit Stop, while Alex & Conor were still at Lan Kwai Fong, Phil went to see them to inform them of their elimination.

Idea 2

Team	Relationship	Team Name	Position (by leg)												Roadblocks
Team	Relationship	Team Name	1	2+	3	4+	5	⋐6⋑	7⁴	8	9	10	11	12	Roadblocks
Cody & Jessica	Dating Reality Stars	Team Big Brother	2nd	1st	5th	2nd	6th	6th⊃	5th	5th⊂	4th	2nd	2nd	WIN	Cody 6, Jessica 3
Henry & Evan	Dating Debaters	Team Yale	3rd	8th	1st	6th	4th	3rd	3rd	4th⋐	3rd	4th	1st	2nd	Henry 4, Evan 5
Kristi & Jen	Professional Skiers	Team Extreme	1st	3rd	3rd	3rd	2nd	1st	5th	2nd	2nd	3rd	3rd	3rd	Kristi 5, Jen 4
Alex & Conor	IndyCar Drivers	Team IndyCar	5th	5th	2nd	1st	5th	4th	1st	3rd⋑	1st	1st	4th⁶		Alex 4, Conor 4
Lucas & Brittany	Dating→Engaged Lifeguards³	Team Ocean Rescue	7th	6th	8th	8th	1st	5th	1st	1st⊃	5th⁵				Lucas 3, Brittany 3
Eric & Daniel	Twins	The Firefighters	8th	9th	7th	7th	3rd	2nd	3rd	6th					Eric 3, Daniel 3
Trevor & Chris	Dating Violinists	Team Well Strung	4th	4th	4th	5th	7th	7th⊂							Trevor 3, Chris 3
Joey & Tim	Competitive Eaters	Team Chomp	6th	7th	6th	4th	8th								Joey 2, Tim 3
Cedric & Shawn	Former NBA Players	Team Slam Dunk	9th¹	2nd	9th	9th−									Cedric 2, Shawn 2
April & Sarah	Goat Yoga Moms	Team Goat Yoga	10th	10th−											April 0, Sarah 2
Dessie & Kayla	Models	The Ring Girls	11th²												Dessie 1, Kayla 0

A red team placement means the team was eliminated, and a gold team placement means the team won the race.
An orange + next to a leg number indicates that there was a Head-to-Head on that leg of the race, while an orange − indicates the team that lost the final Head-to-Head and was eliminated.
A brown ⊃ or a cyan ⋑ indicates that the team chose to use one of the two U-Turns in a Double U-Turn, while a ⊂ or ⋐ indicates the team who received it; ⋐⋑ around a leg number indicates that only one of the two available U-Turns was used.
An underlined blue placement indicates the team came in last on a non-elimination leg and had to perform a Speed Bump during the next leg of the race.
An underlined leg number indicates that there was no mandatory rest period at the Pit Stop and all teams were ordered to continue racing. An underlined team placement indicates that the team came in last on a "continue racing" leg and was ordered to continue racing.

^ Cedric & Shawn initially arrived 8th, but were issued a 30-minute penalty upon reaching the Pit Stop because Cedric provided illegal assistance at the Roadblock. Eric & Daniel checked in during their penalty time, dropping Cedric & Shawn to 9th.
^ April & Sarah and Dessie & Kayla arrived at the mat nearly simultaneously. Because Dessie was the last person to physically step on the mat, Dessie & Kayla were eliminated.
^ At the Leg 5 Pit Stop, after coming in first, Lucas proposed to Brittany. She accepted, and they were engaged for the rest of the race.
^ Teams had to swap partners for a duration of the leg. Cody paired with Jen, Jessica paired with Kristi, Lucas paired with Conor, Brittany paired with Alex, Henry paired with Eric, and Evan paired with Daniel. Because of this, in order to check in at the Pit Stop, the teams had to be paired with their original partner. Cody & Jen arrived 1st, Brittany & Alex arrived 2nd, Lucas & Conor arrived 3rd, Daniel & Evan arrived 4th, Eric & Henry arrived 5th, and Jessica & Kristi arrived last. Teams swapped back to their original partners once both partners checked in.
^ Lucas realized that he lost his passport while on a connecting flight from Zimbabwe to Bahrain; they did not arrive in Bahrain until many hours after all the other teams had already checked in at the Pit Stop. When Lucas & Brittany arrived at the Dhow Shipyard, Phil met them to inform them of their elimination.
^ After all the other teams had already checked in at the Pit Stop, while Alex & Conor were still at Lan Kwai Fong, Phil went to see them to inform them of their elimination.

Thank you for your input. J4lambert (talk) 02:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Continent Counts

With regard to the section of Continent Counts, I would like to clarify that the purpose of having two rankings for North America is to keep the U.S. away from ordinary counting. Normally each Race starts and ends in the U.S., thus North America always stays on top of the list, which is nothing special at all. That's why there is another rank for North America to count the visit outside the continental U.S.. Nonetheless listing examples is a good idea but the list could become infinitely long when there are more places to be visited in the future. To avoid having trouble, it is better rather not to say "The Caribbean and Central America includes Canada and Mexico", but simply to "exclude Continental U.S. and Hawaii". A footnote can be marked for Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands of course.

Yet for the first rank, there is also a problem to write "U.S. states and Washington D.C. only", as this makes other countries like Mexico and Canada out of the list, but I also agree that my first wording of "50 U.S. states and Washington D.C. included" may not be clear enough. Therefore I suggest viewing the first row as "any point on the continent, including Central America and the Caribbean" for better understanding. Just think one step further, who dare say there will not be a special season which does not feature any route marker in the U.S., even for the starting and finish lines? (Like in Season 28 there was no starting point!) — HilldeFirst (talk) 07:58, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

For future reference

Since we are getting so little info out of CBS on the seasons, we have people sighting TAR 33 being run right now (eg [1]) . Obviously can't use as source, but we should be able to keep these date periods in mind if we need to start searching for sources. --Masem (t) 19:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Wrong info

Posting this here since I don't think many people will see it if I post it on the file talk page: File:The_Amazing_Race_–_states_visited.png has some incorrect info in it. It says season 8 only had US travel, which is false. -184.56.75.144 (talk) 11:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Pseudoheaders vs Sub-headers

MOS:PSEUDOHEADER discourages overuse or abuse of pseudo-headers or semicolons (; text), especially for screen readers. I'm unsure whether that's an exception for season pages using pseudo-headers. Shall they be rather converted to sub-headers? I'll use "TOC limit" if necessary. George Ho (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Improving Template:TAR Captionbox

Moved to Talk:The Amazing Race § Improving Template:TAR Captionbox

I think about replacing double nbsp with single numsp (for figure space). I also thought about adding nbsp between an icon and a legend describing the icon. But I wonder how the changes would affect readability, especially on mobile.

Also, as I figured, the template is getting long, so I thought about putting parameters into its own subpage... unless it's not necessary. George Ho (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

FYI: TAR 35 filming started

Per [2], TAR 35 started filming Oct 25, 2022, if we can't find a better source. Masem (t) 02:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)