Talk:St Anne's Church, Liverpool (1772–1871)

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On 22 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to St Anne's Church, Richmond. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 22 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 07:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St Anne's Church, Liverpool (1772-1871) → St Anne's Church, Richmond – or St Anne's Church (Richmond). The date range is poorly formatted, unsourced, potentially incorrect, and inconsistent with the title convention of other churches listed at Church of St. Ann#United Kingdom. "St Anne's Church, Liverpool" is ambiguous. One cited source seems to have the most information. It seems there was an original church and then another that replaced it in 1871. "In 1865 the Liverpool Construction Act was passed on 26 May 1865. Under the terms of this act, St. Anne's Street was to be extended into Cazneau Street. To facilitate this, the Act provided for the demolition of St. Anne's Church but its terms prevented the Corporation from pulling down St. Anne's before erecting a new church. The Corporation duly built the new church of St. Anne's at the corner of St. Anne Street and Great Richmond Street and the consecration of the new building took place on 16th November 1871."

The map location seems to be along what is currently known as St. Anne Street, near Richmond Row.

Is this article intended to cover both buildings, or only the earlier one? It seems to be both, as none of the other articles I can find are about the newer one.

The later church was closed a full century later, in 1971. The source mentioned above and another source identify the location as Richmond or Richmond Street. It refers to the church as "St. Anne's Richmond" and "St Anne (Richmond)". Another source leads to other related articles that say Dr. Richard Richmond was the name of a bishop (an unpopular one) there during 1773–80. Open to alternative suggestions. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about the earlier church, hence (1772-1871). Perhaps the time has come for someone to start a page about the later church, but that "someone" is unlikely to be me. I don't see any need to move the current page. Leutha (talk) 15:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose, "Richmond" is no longer used to describe the area is it in, but now merged with Everton, plus in an area sometimes styled as "City Centre North"[1]. (The new Police HQ near where the church was states "Everton area") So using Richmond (as a disambiguator) will not help readers as they may think it is in Richmond, Virginia or Richmond, London, and unfamiliar to even those in Liverpool today. As above, it appears this church was rebuilt so the dates were likely added for that reason. The rebuilt church is only minorly mentioned here to believe that this article was made to cover both. But if the 19th century one is expanded here enough to change the scope of the article, I can only suggest St Anne's Church, Everton, or just making it an WP:ENDASH as the formatting of the date seems to be the only issue. Dank Jae 15:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as stated. As DankJae points out, the proposed new title is ambiguous against St Anne's Church, Kew. Following the sources might suggest St Anne's Church (Richmond), Liverpool, but "Everton" or the status quo seem preferable as far as readability goes. Tevildo (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.